Q4 2022 Synaptics Inc Earnings Call

August 4, 2022

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Synaptics, Inc. Fourth quarter fiscal year 2022 financial results call.

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Over to <unk> Shah have it even gets to head of Investor Relations. Mr. Sha. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today on Synaptics fourth quarter fiscal 2022 conference call. My name is <unk> Shah.

Investor Relations.

With me on today's call are Michael Holston, our president and CEO and Dean Butler our CFO .

This call is also being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed from the Investor Relations section of the company's website at Synaptics Dot com.

In addition to a supplemental slide presentation. We have also posted a copy of these prepared remarks on our Investor Relations website.

In addition to the company's GAAP results.

Management will also provide supplementary results on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes share based compensation acquisition related costs and certain other noncash.

Recurring or nonrecurring items.

Please refer to the press release issued after market close today for a detailed reconciliation of GAAP and non-GAAP results, which can.

Can be accessed from the Investor Relations section of the company's that site.

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Additionally, we would like to remind you that during the course of this conference call Synaptics will make forward looking statements.

Forward looking statements give our current expectations and projections relating to our financial condition.

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Although synaptics believes our estimates and assumptions to be reasonable they are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties beyond our control and may prove to be inaccurate.

Synaptics cautions that actual results may differ materially from any future performance suggested in the company's forward looking statements.

We refer you to the company's current and periodic reports filed with the SEC, including our most recent annual report on Form 10-K for important risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these contained in any forward looking statements.

And that takes expressly the.

Expressly disclaims any obligation to update this forward looking information.

I will now turn the call over to Michael.

Thanks, Joel and welcome everyone to today's call we.

We had a strong finish to an outstanding year, one in which our Iot business grew 80% an increase from 46% to 63% of our product mix.

As our diversification strategy continues to play out we see opportunity ahead for our Iot business, particularly in the four growth areas, we discussed in last quarter's call.

June quarter revenue was slightly above the midpoint of our guidance range with strength across our Iot products offsetting some weakness in our mobile business.

Our results showcase that our diverse portfolio is providing more resiliency in an uncertain demand environment.

We maintained our profitability with non-GAAP gross margins generally consistent with the prior quarter's record level.

We also delivered record non-GAAP operating margin and our non-GAAP EPS was at the high end of our guidance range.

It's been almost three years to the day since I joined Synaptics.

In that time, our non-GAAP gross margins have improved from 39% to 61% our non-GAAP operating margins from 5% to 39% and perhaps most importantly by shifting the company away from its high mobile concentration we have reduced our end market risk.

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And that three year period.

Iot business has grown from $78 million in Q4, 2000 $19 million to $332 million in Q4, 2022, a 62% compound annual growth rate with most every line of business contributing.

As a reminder, our Iot portfolio not only serves a variety of end markets, but also a wide range of customers.

Last quarter, we highlighted four specific growth drivers within our portfolio.

Together these businesses grew more than 90% this year and amazing growth rate and best in class among semiconductor companies.

However, we are seeing moderation in some segments of these areas.

We will discuss the puts and takes.

First our automotive business continues to grow and we are seeing some benefit as supply becomes more readily available.

We continue to win new TDI designs, but are also experiencing strong ramps with our existing customers such as Ford and Toyota.

We see three trends driving growth in our automotive business.

One shift.

Shift to electric vehicles is accelerating and with that there is an increase in cost consumer expectation for a more digitized interior.

Second screen size are becoming larger and third a general move to TDI technology, which plays to our advantage as we have higher market share.

Given the growth rate in this business competition is beginning to increase.

As such we have products and design that move us to better cost positions and.

And drive the feature set up.

Next our wireless connectivity business continues to show strength in both design wins and the product pipeline.

Last month, our Triple combo wireless <unk> received the 2022 best of sensors award for connectivity.

The device offers Wi Fi six E.

Bluetooth and thread zigbee protocols on a single chip.

Our Wi Fi business continues to benefit from the transition from Wi Fi five to Wi Fi six in <unk>, where we have considerable performance advantages, particularly in terms of power and rate versus range performance.

Production of Wi Fi six designs has started with several large Oems, including Google.

Another area of strength for our wireless products has been <unk> technology.

Product ramps are underway at numerous security companies, including ADT.

While we continue to feel good about our long term wireless prospects, we expect to see some near term moderation in the consumer facing part of our business.

Third our virtual reality business has shown tremendous growth over the last calendar year.

We're seeing significant opportunity ahead as Chinese customers begin their product launches.

We remain the unquestioned leader in this market and have a roadmap that positions as well as screens go to faster refresh rates higher pixel densities and finer display types such as micro OLED.

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Our largest customer is reporting a significant slowdown and we will be dependent on these new customer launches to really drive this business forward in the near term.

Finally, our video interface business continues to see solid demand in its core stock docking station application as the attach rates to Pcs is increasing.

Our backlog remains high because of supply constraints, but we are starting to see some incremental improvement our ability to service demand.

For the most part these devices are purchased by enterprise customers, where demand is more resilient compared to consumer end markets.

We're seeing good traction with our next generation products. For example, our dual chip solution was recently designed in by Star Tech.

We're there to hybrid docking solutions, combining our display port technology with our display link compression.

In addition, we are enthusiastic about our unique wireless docking opportunity that we will believe will ultimately be additive to the overall Tam.

Besides docking stations our video interface products are getting traction in other applications such as factory automation.

Monitors VR headsets and video conferencing.

Finally, our Spider chip for the protocol adapter and converter market is building market momentum with design wins and opportunities, leading OEM customers, including Lenovo Vulcan Kingston and cable matters.

In our process technology business, we are winning new designs for audio processors, including our first in tw.

Several gaming headsets and video conferencing systems.

One of our most exciting wins as with Google and their pixel buds buds.

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We have also been successful in penetrating new markets for our video processors, most notably a video conferencing win at Cisco.

Finally, our UCC products are having great success with voice over IP customers.

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In general we are using our processor technology to pull through other products.

We have certainly had great success cross selling wireless but have also had success in carrying other products such as touch and video interface.

Two last areas of note our cordless products have performed far better than we originally expected and we are gaining market share.

Finally, our single chip flex sense a.

A device that combines four typically discrete sensors is receiving positive initial customer response, and we are encouraged by our building customer pipeline.

Let me move on to our PC product group.

Market demand for Pcs to soften further.

And we anticipate a mid teens market decline in calendar 2022.

We expect to outperform the overall PC market, given our strength in enterprise and higher end, Skus, where demand trends are better compared to consumer notebooks.

Our new Vulcan ASIC with best in class security and premium user experience for larger size click pads is gaining market traction.

Hps latest enterprise notebook products use this a sick and we expect all other Oems to adopt the device in their new models.

In addition, we are starting to see touch pads become larger and designs moving from click pad solutions to haptic force pads.

We expect to benefit from this industry transition as we have a strong market position and higher content, which we believe will result in 30% to 40% average selling price uplifts.

Mobile is now only about 13% of the company's revenue.

The headwinds we discussed in our last conference call have not abated, resulting in weaker than forecast performance in the business and further expected erosion next quarter.

For the September quarter, we expect our mobile business to be down approximately 40% on a year over year basis.

After thinking we were at the bottom business has continued to deteriorate at our large north American handset customer primarily driven by sell through of their low end model.

However, we remain confident in our market position in the areas in which we focus the pace of new handset model launches with our touch technology has remained consistent highlighting our market strength.

We see some positive signs in China as overall shipments have grown in the last two months.

And the mix of flexible OLED handsets continues to increase.

In addition, we are seeing modest incremental revenue from our high end flexible OLED display driver as supply improves. However, we are experiencing increased competitive pressure and now expect limited participation in this market.

To conclude we had an exceptional fourth quarter and fiscal year with record financial performance. We introduced several new products successfully integrated our acquisition and grew organic and inorganic revenues.

Our portfolio approach is presenting us with opportunities to cross sell multiple products in the customer.

Customer platforms and important growth vector for the company.

While we are seeing some near term market headwinds, primarily in mobile and PC from weakening consumer confidence we remain confident in our long term potential particularly in Iot.

As a result, we see value in repurchasing our own shares.

Dean will provide more details in his remarks.

Let me now turn the call over to him to review our results and provide our outlook.

Thanks, Michael and good afternoon to everyone.

I'll start with a review of our financial results for the recently completed fiscal year and recent quarter.

Then provide our current outlook.

For the full year fiscal 2022 net revenue of 174 billion was a new company record and up 30% compared to 1.3 dollars 4 billion in the prior year largely due to an 80% year over year growth in our Iot.

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Partially offset by our mobile products, which saw a 20% year over year decline.

Gross margin for the Companys products continued to expand with a new record for fiscal 2022, GAAP gross margin of 54, 2% compared to 45, 6% in the prior year.

Our non-GAAP gross margin of 60% for the year was also a record and compares to 53, 6% in the prior year as our mix shifted to Iot product applications, and we delivered higher value products to customers.

GAAP net income for the recently completed fiscal year was $257 5 million.

$6 33.

For diluted share compared to the prior year of $79 million.

$79 6 million or $2 eight per diluted share a year over year increase of 223%.

non-GAAP net income for the completed fiscal year was a record $551 2 million or $13 54 per diluted share.

Compared to the prior year of $316 4 million or $8 26 per diluted share delivering a 74% year over year improvement.

Revenue for the recently completed June quarter was $476 4 million slightly above the midpoint of our guidance.

Revenue was up 1% sequentially with the company's Iot product growth offsetting sequential declines in both mobile and PC.

Revenue from Iot, PC, and mobile, where 70%, 17% and 13% respectively.

Year over year June quarter revenue was up 45% as our Iot products continued to deliver significant growth.

Our June quarter, Iot product revenue grew 87% year over year and was up 10% sequentially, reflecting strong customer demand during the quarter.

Excluding the DSP group acquisition, our organic Iot sales were up approximately 65% year over year.

As Michael mentioned.

These results showcase the success, we have achieved in our strategy to pivot synaptics to a more diversified company focused on Iot applications.

Coty is now 70% of our revenue and has grown at 50% compounding annual growth rate over the last three years to end the fiscal year at $1 $1 billion in revenue.

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In PC, our June quarter revenue was down 10% sequentially and down 3% year over year.

Our historically high mix and commercial notebooks gives us confidence in our ability to continue to lead in PC through both up and down markets.

As we look ahead, we expect modest downward market pressure in Pcs as our customers adjust to a more cautious and buyer.

But we would expect our commercially weighted business to outperform the overall PC market.

Our June quarter mobile product revenue was down 20% sequentially and declined 4% year over year.

Lower than our prior expectations.

Smartphone sell through continues to be weak.

We believe there has been a buildup of inventory across the smartphone channel, particularly in Chinese and Korean Oems that will likely take some time to burn through as such we expect demand for our mobile products to remain soft into the September quarter with limited visibility on when this trend might reverse.

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During the quarter, we had two customers greater than 10% of revenue at approximately 15% and 10%.

Both being distributors servicing multiple Oems.

Good variety of our products shipped through these distributors and as such don't represent any specific one OEM or end market.

For the June quarter, our GAAP gross margin was a new company record at 55, 9%, which includes $22 8 million of intangible asset amortization 900000 of inventory fair value adjustment.

And 1 million of share based compensation costs.

June quarter non-GAAP gross margin of 61% was at the midpoint of our guidance range, which maintains our momentum with a strong product mix.

GAAP operating expenses in the June quarter were $142 million, which includes share based compensation of $25 7 million.

Acquisition related costs of $9 1 million consisting of intangibles amortization.

And amortization of prepaid development costs of $2 5 million and restructuring related costs of 500000.

June quarter, non-GAAP operating expenses of $104 2 million were down slightly from the preceding quarter and below our guidance, primarily due to an unexpected foreign exchange benefit during the quarter.

Our GAAP tax expense was $32 3 million for the quarter and non-GAAP tax expense was 21 4 million.

In the June quarter, we had GAAP net income of $82 9 million or GAAP net income of $2 <unk> per share.

Our record non-GAAP net income in the June quarter of $157 million was an increase of 3% from the prior quarter and an 81% increase from the same quarter a year ago. This.

This significant increase in profit has rewarded our shareholders with a record setting non-GAAP EPS per diluted share of $3 87.

Above the high end of our guidance range.

Now turning to the balance sheet.

We ended the quarter with $876 million of cash cash equivalents and short term investments on hand, an increase of $121 million from the preceding quarter.

Due to strong cash flow from operations of $128 million.

Receivables at the end of June were $322 million and days of sales outstanding were 61 days.

Up from 57 days last quarter.

Days of inventory were 82 above 71 days last quarter and ending inventory balance was $170 million.

Inventory turns have slowed primarily in our mobile and PC areas.

Capital expenditures for the quarter were $4 2 million and depreciation was $6 1 million.

As Michael mentioned, we expect to return capital to shareholders through our previously announced stock buyback program, which at the end of the June quarter, Hasnt available authorization of $577 million.

We continue to pursue accretive inorganic opportunities.

However, given the M&A landscape has become more challenged and we now have a comfortable cash balance we intend to return cash flow to shareholders via share repurchases and to begin paying down outstanding debt.

While some of our market areas are experiencing moderate softness we believe share repurchase is a good use of our cash and a positive return potential.

Now, let me turn to our September quarter outlook.

We anticipate revenue for the September quarter to be in the range of $440 million to $470 million, we expect our revenue mix from Iot PC and mobile products in the September quarter to be approximately 74%.

16% and 10% respectively.

At the midpoint, we expect our Iot products to continue to grow approximately 60% year over year and up modestly on a sequential basis.

Partially offsetting anticipated further declines in mobile and PC.

Our backlog position remains strong and continues to be above the high end of our revenue guidance.

However, we are seeing a change in some customer behavior, including some recent request for push outs and cancellations.

To add additional color we are seeing this change in product type closest to consumer applications.

Typically mobile phones virtual reality in a subset of wireless applications.

We expect to maintain our strength in gross margins with GAAP gross margin for the September quarter expected to be in the range of 55% to 56%.

We expect non-GAAP gross margin in the range of 65 to 61, 5%.

Which at the midpoint of 61% would be approximately 300 basis points higher than the same quarter one year ago.

We expect GAAP operating expenses in the September quarter to be in the range of $152 million to $159 million, which includes intangibles amortization prepaid development cost amortization and share based compensation.

We expect non-GAAP operating expenses in the September quarter to be slightly below our June results and be a range of $102 million to $105 million.

At this point, we have not changed our investment plans and continue to hire and add to our engineering and go to market capabilities to drive long term product road maps.

This sequential decline in operating expenses reflects a resetting of the company's annual bonus program as we begin our new fiscal year.

GAAP net income per share for our September quarter is expected to be in the range of $1 35 to $1 65.

And non-GAAP net income per diluted share is anticipated to be in the range of $3 20.

Two to $3 50 per.

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On an estimated 41 million fully diluted shares we.

We expect non-GAAP net interest expense to be approximately $8 5 million in the September quarter.

Finally, beginning with fiscal Q1, we expect our fiscal 2023 long term non-GAAP tax rate to be in the range of 16% to 18%, reflecting the tax law changes, we discussed last quarter.

This wraps up our prepared remarks, I'd like to now turn the call over to the operator to begin the Q&A session operator.

Certainly at this time, if you'd like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad.

Rajiv Gill with Needham Your line is open.

Okay.

Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question.

As you know I'm new to the call. So I apologize in advance if I violate any official artificial protocols here, but.

We appreciate the fact that.

The fiscal year is off to a bit.

A bit of a soft start common theme throughout the earnings season.

But how are you guys thinking about the balance of the year. What are you planning for do you have much visibility into the balance of the year. Maybe if you can just give us any color there would be much appreciated.

Yeah, Hey, Gary no no violation so far so good fair question. We don't we don't have a whole lot of visibility I continue to worry I think as does dean about our mobile business, we've seen pretty significant declines over the last couple of quarters in that business primarily related.

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Our Iot business is generally held up well, but as we said in the prepared remarks were seeing some pockets of softness some pockets of strength on balance.

It's holding up relatively well.

So I think it's going to probably be another quarter before we really get to a point, where we have visibility I would say.

And we just got to work through this this period in the PC and mobile sectors, where there is some some uncertainty.

Okay.

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But if I go back to your most recent filing I believe your purchase obligations were about $280 million.

Which I believe is an elevated level for you guys and so my question is did they pick up more as we concluded the fiscal year are they higher than you need them to be do you have more capacity in some areas than you need from your foundry partners and is there any ability to.

Negotiate the timing or quantity with the fab.

Partners.

Yes, Gary This is dean just maybe just a quick one on some of the quantification. So youre right. We havent filed the K yet that will come out in a couple of weeks consistent with sort of filing the annual there hasn't been any significant.

Significant movements in purchase obligations.

As you know we do have a few obligations with a subset of suppliers, but the vast majority don't have sort of a written.

The liability obligation.

Michael do you want to talk about capacity okay.

I would say two other things Gary right on the purchase obligations, obviously on the back end of those we think we've got customer obligations that sort of tie to those so we feel good about having a balance between our purchase obligations and where we've been able to pass that on to customers in terms of <unk>.

Long term agreements and things of that nature.

We're definitely seeing easing in supply as we said in the prepared remarks.

There are still pockets, where we're chasing supply our operations team is working overdrive on on some of our nodes 55 nanometer being one where it's still really really compressed but in other areas. We're seeing some easing that's allowing us to meet demand.

Where we can so a little bit of a mixed bag there as well Gary.

Alright, I appreciate the color thanks, guys.

Absolutely.

Rajiv Gill with Needham Your line is open.

Yes, Thank you for taking my questions.

Wanted to dig a little bit deeper into some of the comments you talked about with respect to changes in customer behavior.

You mentioned.

Some.

Pockets of weakness obviously.

Mobile phones, that's been well documented that's now 10% of your business.

You talked about a little bit about softness in some subset of wireless applications and virtual reality headsets.

You mentioned overall.

These products are tied closer to the consumer so if mobile is about 10% of the business. If you kind of put that aside.

What percentage of the revenue.

Total.

You feel it is tied to the quote unquote consumer applications.

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Yeah, Roger I mean, it's actually tough to tell because many of our Iot products as you might imagine our long tail in nature.

It's a minority.

And each order technology area has a different mix of consumer versus enterprise sort of applications.

I don't have a specific quantification.

Like we said in prepared remarks, our observation has been as the.

Products get closer to the consumer it does seem like we're seeing more volatility from the customers.

Two of those examples first being VR right is sort of having a very consumer centric customer base.

And as mobile phones, which you mentioned has been pretty well documented.

And then within wireless applications, obviously, a subset and that is sort of a long tail of applications.

Rod, let me give a little bit of sort of color on on VR. I think we have one customer thats relatively well documented that seen some softness in their sell through of products in North America. The offsetting event for US is we've got a couple of ramps that we expect in the back half of the year.

That gives us confidence that we can we can kind of hang on there even though that particular part of our business is obviously very consumer facing.

In wireless as Dean said I think it's more of a mixed bag, where we've got <unk>.

Range of end applications, some of which are industrial some of which are enterprise some of which are consumer and it's probably hard for us to sort of break that down into different numbers to give you a read.

Got it.

The gross margins are holding up nicely at around 61%.

The Iot business, 70% of revenue, it's going to 74% of revenue.

By far the highest gross margin segment.

Of your company. So if there is a slowdown.

Iot maybe.

Maybe on some of the consumer facing products.

How are you kind of able to kind of maintain the gross margins.

Or should we be expecting kind of some volatility or variability in those margins.

Overtime.

Yes, I mean, I think I think near term. It's goes back to your first question, it's sort of the overall mix and within Iot, We've got a reasonable.

Part of the business Thats enterprise or some areas industrial and we expect the gross margins there to hold up and is that part of our business becomes a larger part of the mix you would expect some gross margin expansion, but in the consumer areas to your point.

And that area of mix, we're seeing some price competition, we would expect.

Gross margin erosion potentially so depending on how those two play out as parts of our mix.

I think you get.

And so right now it says it on balance we see it holding up plus or minus through the balance of the fiscal year.

Just add one more item Roger and we've talked about in the past on prior calls.

We do have input prices that continue to change.

Mix is certainly in our favor Iot sort of continues to grow that probably doesn't change, but that's a bit offset by changing input prices.

We obviously forecast and guide one quarter at a time and we continue to do extremely well in the gross margin Department.

And we would expect to continue to do that.

For the next quarter as you can see in September here.

And if I could just squeezing one more question ill hop back in the queue.

Internal inventory.

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Absolute dollar basis.

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But revenue is growing revenue grew maybe 45% inventory growth is double that of revenue growth.

Just wondering how youre thinking about inventory how are you thinking about the channel inventory, particularly in Iot and kind of currently where youre kind of lead time for those Iot products. Thanks, so much.

Yes, it's a good question, that's not exactly a fair way to characterize on the gross inventory level. Given the revenue has been changing substantially I would argue that a year ago were probably significantly under inventoried and so we're just sort of catching up.

What I would say is the inventory increase.

Is largely coming out of two primary areas, where the inventory turns so it sort of days of inventory has slowed around PC and mobile products. So what we would look to do is probably dialed back some of our inventory position in those two areas and then areas that we.

Continued to be strong.

Good.

Continue to you'll look to carry decent inventory specifically in some of our Iot products.

On top of this what Youll also ends up.

Clouding, a little bit of pictures as lead times sort of come in and start to get compressed.

The inventory and therefore backlog does move.

As as lead times start to change and those have started to come in as supply has loosened a little bit in some of these areas.

Okay.

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Rolland with Susquehanna. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Thanks for the question.

Some guys are coming out and they have decent September in terms of the guide, but then pretty big fall for December and I think that's because.

Perhaps there.

Customers are building inventory into the September quarter, I guess do you have any visibility into that.

And as we look past September what are we kind of thinking a trough or sorry, not a trough but.

Steady state mobile quarterly rate might be like when when things get back to normal and would you classify PC here is as normal as well.

Those two segments or in particular, what im trying to figure out from a steady state.

Longer term perspective thanks.

Yes, Chris again fair questions and I think.

We're all trying to get to the bottom of where this is.

I think in Chinese mobile handsets, where the majority of our exposure is.

It's still very hard for us to say.

As I indicated in the prepared remarks, we're seeing some signs of life in that market, where sell through has ticked up.

Seen sort of month over month increases however, like you I am concerned about inventory levels and how long that's ultimately going to take to burn off such that we see an uptick there.

We do have a slightly positive offsetting event and that is there are more handsets coming online the mix is shifting more and more toward this flexible OLED display type, which as you know.

Is one where we have strength.

In the PC area.

Again, I think we've got.

It's hard for us to sort of understand where where this thing bottoms out.

As you do we're hearing of inventory in the channel.

Thank you.

Our sort of positive offsetting event there as you know we're more commercially facing and we haven't necessarily seen the big puts and pulls though that some of our competitors have that have.

A more consumer facing mix so.

And very hard for us to sort of guide beyond the quarter, We just gave.

Some positive signs some positive signs in terms of inventory bleed, but on balance it's tough to call I don't know Dean if you have any more than that yes, that's right.

I would just echo Michael's comments in a lot of these customers I think are reacting from the macro.

And I think until customer start to get comfortable on where the overall economy is headed I think theres, probably going to be a little bit of choppiness.

Across the board.

Thanks, guys and then.

My next one is around Opex, so seemed like it was pretty good in the quarter better than we had expected.

What does that portend for the rest of the year in investment here.

And then perhaps related or unrelated.

Broadcom connectivity IP business.

That potentially I believe might be up for sale again in 2023 are there any updates on your thinking there and would you potentially be a purchaser of that or.

Is this all internal Opex and R&D development that you guys are focused on yes, Chris Let me just first take the Opex one I'll, let Michael comment around Broadcom Wi Fi.

Opex, we're actually still on track on Opex nothing has really changed we continue to invest in the business. What you saw in the June quarter, and I spoke to it a little bit in my prepared remarks.

We had an unexpected FX benefit to opex in the quarter.

Excluding sort of what the FX impact as we would have been pretty in line with with what we had previously guided so that was sort of an unexpected FX.

Guiding into September .

Really what you see on the Opex.

In that guide range is a resetting of the new fiscal year for the company.

Resetting of all the the bonus plans and accruals sort of around around that.

So that you sort of typically see.

Every year and we will continue to hire and grow kind of per our plan. So I would say on the Opex side, probably nothing's really changed from the thesis Michael do you want to talk about Wi Fi, Yes, Chris I mean, here's here's the way the contract reads.

Obviously at the end of the three year exclusion zone, they could resell the business again, a third time, if you will it's hard for me at this point to understand what they would sell.

There are at least as we understand it now there are no people that are working on Iot class products at Broadcom, whereas when we got the business. There were there is no business that is attached to the Iot segment anymore, whereas when we got the business there was.

So it's not to say they can't there won't be a lot of the dynamics that that we got when we ended up taking on this business.

I don't know as a buyer what I would buy now in this particular circumstance seeing that there is no business and no people attached to it.

Not to say, we might do something creative to keep somebody else out of it if it was indeed up for sale, but it's hard for me to understand what a buyer would be getting this time around.

Thanks, Michael and just a clarification from Dean Dean what do you think a run rate for <unk>.

In terms of Opex for the remainder of the year would be for next year just trying to.

December through channel. Thanks, Yeah.

As you look at for our September guide, and just sort of modestly sort of step up quarterly.

Thanks, guys.

Yeah.

Krish <unk> with Cowen Your line is open.

Okay.

Hey, guys. This is Eddie for Chris I have a question on your virtual reality exposure.

Seems you have a strong pipeline in that segment.

Those programs ramp, which I'm, assuming should have been back half of next year, how big can.

Virtual reality EBITA percentage of Iot.

Thank you.

Maybe you can give two seconds on what we said when we first broke out the business and maybe I'll talk a little bit to the second half of the question, which is how big we see it I mean I think that this one.

As.

As you all put in the prepared remarks is really dependent on how well that market does.

We have a big position in the market.

As one sort of giant customer right now, but we're actually really optimistic that we're going to see.

Two or three equally sized customers come online here relatively quickly.

And depending on how sell through goes we think we're going to do really really well in that market, but it's totally dependent on this one in terms of how you call. The Tam how you call how well our end customers will end up selling these products.

No.

We think we have a differentiated product line. It's one that we're focused on we continue to develop products for we're optimistic that we can continue to lead in the market but.

The guess as to the size of the market ultimately really we're dependent on market reports and guesses as much as much as probably EUR.

Do you want to add some color on the sizing where we were when we initially broke it out yes, yes, just to give a little bit of quantification at a since this is a public we broke it out a couple of quarters back when we first started talking about VR.

We had reported at that point in time, it was about a $50 million a year run rate revenue business for us.

It had sort of a sense grown it had been growing quite rapidly for actually a couple of years.

And so it is obviously a much larger now.

It's really dependent on where does this market go as Michael said I think if the market reaches its potential that many people expect it really could be a pretty sizeable business for us in the future.

Great. Thanks, Doug.

Okay.

Sure.

Kevin Cassidy with Rosenblatt Your line is open.

Yes, Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on these tough times for.

Pulling out these numbers and keeping gross margins up.

As Youre looking at the mobile business is.

Is that going down to 10% of revenue.

You're still you're not sure what the with the Chinese Oems, where we're whether theres going to be an uptick or not would you ever consider exiting that market.

It's a great question, Kevin I mean I think.

The problem for US is there is a lot of tie between what we do in mobile and technology. Then, we then redeploy to automotive or two to VR.

It is an overall accretive business for us it's throwing off cash.

It's obviously, we've been really disappointed in how it's grown from a topline perspective, certainly over the last couple of years.

And so we continue to evaluate it quite honestly and look at what our options might be but it's really that complication in some respects. It's a positive one where we get a lot of engineering leverage from mobile that we can redeploy into several other areas that are important to us.

And that complicates that discussion a bit more than might be apparent.

Yes, I would just add one other thing is since Mike and I joined.

We obviously have taken sort of a different strategic lens to mobile which is.

Managed to where our value proposition is and that that's what we've been focused on.

A lot of the focus has been on Iot that as <unk> seen over the last couple of years, and we sort of continuing to manage that way I think where we have differentiation and value to be had and mobile will continue to prosecute that business.

But it does have synergies that Michael talked about in some of our other areas that are strategically important.

Yeah.

Okay, Yeah, I can I can see that especially for automotive and maybe if you could talk about the barriers to competitive competitors that you have in the automotive market.

Got it and then the big one Kevin is is this concept of TDI. I mean, you really have to have state of the display drivers and state of the art touch.

We are seeing customers come in and what we're trying to do to differentiate is we're trying to.

Local dimming, which has to do with the contrast ratio you see we're introducing products around that as I said, we're introducing some lower cost products, we're introducing products that enable larger feature sets such as you kind of some of the some cars without going into names put knobs on the on the screen itself and we can enable.

That so we've been able to.

Keep ahead of competition, both from a cost standpoint, and a feature standpoint, and then we think we have a long range advantage by bumping. The contrast ratio looking to deploy OLED and cars. There's a number of different things that we think that are happening as dynamics that'll that'll keep our performance edge there so.

That's a great market for us.

That just the very fact that you need both state of the art touch and state of the art display driver.

<unk> competitors largely at Bay.

Great. Thank you.

Thanks, Kevin Good speaking.

Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho Your line is open.

Yes, Hi, David and Michael just a quick question on the Iot side, obviously, you have a pretty good mix there.

Between the automotive and the DSP group stuff in dispelling et cetera.

How would you break that up if we were to look at Iot between.

The consumer exports or industrial or enterprise and automotive if you can is there a way.

A way to kind of ballpark, what the mix would be between the different segments.

Yeah. So Vijay we don't break out into these sort of sub sub areas. I mean, I think what we tried to do last call and again. This call is talk about sort of the four major growth areas within Iot.

And that actually makes up the good majority of actually that that revenue base. So that we give everybody a enough color on sort of what are the technologies driving that change and just to reiterate from Michael's prepared remarks.

That.

Of the four growth drivers.

<unk> for a 90% year on year growth. So those businesses are doing tremendously well and they account for the majority of Iot.

Got it.

So Iot is now getting to almost 70, 475% earnings target.

You have a pretty good portfolio, but if you are looking at would you still look for them and they are and what would be the where do you see opportunities too.

<unk> brought in order improve that Iot platform.

Yes, Vijay I would definitely I mean, I think that.

Inorganic growth is pretty big plank of the platform that Dean and I are putting forth and I think that we've done relatively well with the acquisitions that we've taken in.

We've maximize synergies and actually.

Over delivered in almost every case in terms of what we put forth as our operating plan.

What I would say right now and Dean alluded to it when he started talking about the share buyback I think its a difficult environment right now for M&A. Our valuation is obviously, we think is incredibly low thats why for the first time, Mr. Butler is signaling some appetite to do a share buyback.

We think that if we had to put stock in a deal it's incredibly cheap right. Now. Meanwhile, we've we've had a pretty big correction in our stock price some of our competitors all had corrections probably not as much as ours.

So the M&A environment right now just from a financial perspective is difficult.

We continue to look to add breadth in the Iot area. Vijay I think there are pieces like power and other things that you could see that.

We brought in and we're able to cross sell it might make sense, but we have nothing really identified primarily because of this problem and evaluation for the most part.

Got it great. Thank you.

Andrew <unk> with BMO.

BMO Your line is open.

Hi, Thank you a question on <unk>.

And Vince.

Visibility into that into that channel.

Mike Indeed.

First of all what is the percent of sales.

Given the distribution the top two customers also distributions have been.

So just please remind us what's distribution sales and then.

Can you just help us understand your visibility into that channel.

Some sense of what channel inventories.

Yes.

First on distribution sizing.

Youll sort of traditional distribution is relatively small many of our customers are sort of OEM customers.

So distributors, if you think about it in sort of a traditional sense are probably in the 30% range.

There are some distributors that we use that as sort of logistics providers between sort of us in the OEM that aren't really doing sort of demand creation, so that sort of another component.

The distribution inventory position is probably up a little bit I think we've seen customers wanting to carry a little more inventory and some of them actually do that through their distribution partners.

That is probably an area that.

Customers utilize when the macro starts to change that either sort of push to the distributors or pull out of distributors, depending on sort of their viewpoint of what's happening in the macro.

Sure I mean, maybe add a little bit more color on top of data I mean, Unfortunately, it's kind of like our business as a whole I would say, it's a bit of a mixed bag in some areas. The Disney inventory as Dean said is probably higher than normal.

And Disney has are definitely trying to cut back on how much inventory. They have they don't want to have as much carrying cost at the moment. So they're obviously trying to de risk a little bit so even against normalized levels. There is some pressure to cut that but then in other parts of the business as we've been saying it's.

Very light and we're basically almost on a JIT type of shipment basis.

In areas like automotive docking station parts of our wireless business.

We're shipping and Theres very little its almost pass through from the distributors. So.

It's a bit of a mixed bag I wish we could give you a little bit more clarity, but it really does depend for us kind of segment by segment.

No I think this is helpful. Thank you guys.

Martin Yang with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Hi, Michael and Dave. Thanks for taking my question. My question is a follow up on the Iot.

Segment, you highlighted four key growth drivers are those.

For readers also representative of the top four revenue.

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Can you maybe rank.

Some of the highest contributors.

By by product segment to the Iot yes.

Yes, they certainly are the top four with in Iot I mean, the only exception I would say is sort of processors is it sort of a general bucket is probably bigger than VR that would be the only swap I would say Martin.

Got it so is it are you referring to the media Soc Park.

Yes, there's I mean, there's a bunch of things that if you're on the prepared remarks Martin that are in there. We have audio processors. We do have the edge. The video processors are in there we have our UCC processors that are voice over IP. Those are kind of collectively as Dean said, if you sum up those three.

<unk> product areas that collection is probably larger than VR today.

Got it thank you.

Thanks, Mark good question.

This concludes the time allotted for Q&A I will now turn the call over to management for final remarks.

I would like to thank all of you for joining US today, we certainly look forward to speaking to you at our upcoming investor conferences during the quarter. Thanks a lot.

This concludes the Synaptics, Inc. Fourth quarter fiscal year 2022 financial results call. We thank you for your participation you may now disconnect.

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Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Synaptics, Inc. Fourth quarter fiscal year 2022 financial results call.

All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

After the Speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question. During this time simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad, if you'd like to withdraw your question again.

The star one thank you I would now like to turn the conference over to <unk> Shah <unk> head of Investor Relations. Mr. Sha. Please go ahead.

Thank you good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today on Synaptics fourth quarter fiscal 2022 conference call. My name is <unk> Shah.

<unk> Investor Relations.

With me on today's call are Michael Holston, our president and CEO and Dean Butler our CFO .

This call is also being broadcast live over the web and can be accessed from the Investor Relations section of the company's website at Synaptics Dot com.

In addition to a supplemental slide presentation. We have also posted a copy of these prepared remarks on our Investor Relations website.

In addition to the company's GAAP results.

Management will also provide supplementary results on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes share based compensation acquisition related costs and certain other noncash or.

Recurring or nonrecurring items.

Please refer to the press release issued after market close today for a detailed reconciliation of GAAP and non-GAAP results, which can be accessed from the Investor Relations section of the company's appetite.

<unk> Dot com.

Additionally, we would like to remind you that during the course of this conference call Synaptics will make forward looking statements.

Forward looking statements give our current expectations and projections.

Turning to our financial condition.

Although synaptics believes our estimates and assumptions to be reasonable they are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties beyond our control and may prove to be inaccurate.

<unk> cautions that actual results may differ materially from any future performance suggested in the company's forward looking statements.

And that takes expressly to.

<unk> expressly disclaims any obligation to update this forward looking information.

I will now turn the call over to Michael.

Thanks, Joel and welcome everyone to today's call.

We had a strong finish to an outstanding year, one in which our Iot business grew 80% an increase from 46% to 63% of our product mix.

As our diversification strategy continues to play out we see opportunity ahead for our Iot business, particularly in the four growth areas, we discussed in last quarter's call.

June quarter revenue was slightly above the midpoint of our guidance range with strength across our Iot products offsetting some weakness in our mobile business.

Our results showcase that our diverse portfolio is providing more resiliency in an uncertain demand environment.

We maintained our profitability with non-GAAP gross margins generally consistent with the prior quarter's record level.

We also delivered record non-GAAP operating margin and our non-GAAP EPS was at the high end of our guidance range.

It's been almost three years to the day since I joined Synaptics.

And that time, our non-GAAP gross margins have improved from 39% to 61% our non-GAAP operating margins from 5% to 39% and perhaps most importantly by shifting the company away from its high mobile concentration we have reduced our end market risk.

Yeah.

And that three year period.

Iot business has grown from $78 million in Q4, 2000 $19 million to $332 million in Q4, 2022, 62% compound annual growth rate with most every line of business contributing.

As a reminder, our Iot portfolio not only serves a variety of end markets, but also a wide range of customers.

Last quarter, we highlighted four specific growth drivers within our portfolio.

Together these businesses grew more than 90% this year and amazing growth rate and best in class amongst semiconductor companies.

However, we are seeing moderation in some segments of these areas and we will discuss the puts and takes.

First our automotive business continues to grow and we are seeing some benefit as supply becomes more readily available.

We continue to win new TDI designs, but are also experiencing strong ramps with our existing customers such as Ford and Toyota.

We see three trends driving growth in our automotive business.

One.

Shift to electric vehicles is accelerating and with that there is an increase in consumer expectation for a more digitized interior.

Second screen size are becoming larger and third a general move to TDI technology, which plays to our advantage as we have higher market share.

Given the growth rate in this business competition is beginning to increase.

As such we have products and design that move us to better cost positions and.

And drive the feature set up.

Next our wireless connectivity business continues to show strength in both design wins and the product pipeline.

Last month, our Triple combo wireless <unk> received the 2022 best of sensors award for connectivity.

The device offers Wi Fi six E.

Bluetooth and thread zigbee protocols on a single chip.

Production of Wi Fi six designs has started with several large Oems, including Google.

Another area of strength for our wireless products has been <unk> technology.

Product ramps are underway at numerous security companies, including ADT.

While we continue to feel good about our long term wireless prospects, we expect to see some near term moderation in the consumer facing part of our business.

Third our virtual reality business has shown tremendous growth over the last calendar year.

We are seeing significant opportunity ahead as Chinese customers begin their product launches.

We remain the unquestioned leader in this market and have a roadmap that positions as well as screens go to faster refresh rates higher pixel densities and finer display types such as micro OLED.

However, more than any of our Iot businesses. This is a new end market and growth is ultimately dependent upon the success of our OEM customers.

Our largest customer is reporting a significant slowdown and we will be dependent on these new customer launches to really drive this business forward in the near term.

Finally, our video interface business continues to see solid demand in its core stock docking station application as the attach rates to Pcs is increasing.

Our backlog remains high because of supply constraints, but we're starting to see some incremental improvement in our ability to service demand.

For the most part these devices are purchased by enterprise customers, where demand is more resilient compared to consumer end markets.

We're seeing good traction with our next generation products. For example, our dual chip solution was recently designed in by Star Tech.

Are there to hybrid docking solutions, combining our display port technology with our display linked compression.

In addition, we are enthusiastic about our unique wireless docking opportunity that we will believe will ultimately be additive to the overall Tam.

Besides docking stations our video interface products are getting traction in other applications such as factory automation.

Smart monitors VR headsets and video conferencing.

In our process technology business, we are winning new designs for audio processors, including our first in tw.

Several gaming headsets and video conferencing systems.

One of our most exciting wins as with Google and their pixel buds buds.

<unk> pro enabling best in class active noise cancellation capabilities and extended battery life.

We have also been successful in penetrating new markets for our video processors, most notably a video conferencing win at Cisco.

Finally, our UCC products are having great success with voice over IP customers.

Volume increases share gains and content expansion with one of the worlds leading UCC providers.

In general we are using our processor technology to pull through other products.

We have certainly had great success cross selling wireless but have also had success in carrying other products such as touch and video interface.

Two last areas of note our cordless products have performed far better than we originally expected and we are gaining market share.

Finally, our single chip flex sense.

A device that combines four typically discrete sensors is receiving positive initial customer response, and we are encouraged by our building customer pipeline.

Let me move on to our PC product group.

Market demand for Pcs to soften further.

And we anticipate a mid teens market decline in calendar 2022.

We expect to outperform the overall PC market, given our strength in enterprise and higher end, Skus, where demand trends are better compared to consumer notebooks.

Our new Vulcan ASIC with best in class security and premium user experience for larger sized click pads is gaining market traction.

Hps latest enterprise notebook products use this as sick and we expect all other Oems to adopt the device in their new models.

In addition, we are starting to see touch pads become larger and designs moving from click patch solutions to haptic force pads.

We expect to benefit from this industry transition as we have a strong market position and higher content, which we believe will result in 30% to 40% average selling price uplifts.

Mobile is now only about 13% of the company's revenue.

The headwinds we discussed in our last conference call have not abated, resulting in weaker than forecast performance in the business and further expected erosion next quarter.

For the September quarter, we expect our mobile business to be down approximately 40% on a year over year basis.

After thinking we are at the bottom business has continued to deteriorate at our large north American handset customer primarily driven by sell through of their low end model.

We see some positive signs in China as overall shipments have grown in the last two months.

And the mix of flexible OLED handsets continues to increase.

To conclude we had an exceptional fourth quarter and fiscal year with record financial performance. We introduced several new products successfully integrated our acquisition.

And grew organic and inorganic revenues.

Our portfolio approach is presenting us with opportunities to cross sell multiple products into.

Customer platforms and important growth vector for the company.

While we are seeing some near term market headwinds, primarily in mobile and PC from weakening consumer confidence we remain confident in our long term potential particularly in Iot.

As a result, we see value in repurchasing our own shares.

Dean will provide more details in his remarks.

Let me now turn the call over to him to review our results and provide our outlook.

Thanks, Michael and good afternoon to everyone.

I'll start with a review of our financial results for the recently completed fiscal year and recent quarter.

Then provide our current outlook.

For the full year fiscal 2022 net revenue of 174 billion was a new company record.

<unk> up 30% compared to 1.3 dollars 4 billion in the prior year, largely due to an 80% year over year growth in our Iot products.

Marshall is offset by our mobile products, which saw a 20% year over year decline.

Gross margin for the Companys products continued to expand with a new record for fiscal 2022, GAAP gross margin of 54, 2% compared to 45, 6% in the prior year.

GAAP net income for the recently completed fiscal year was $257 5 million or $6 33.

Per diluted share compared to the prior year of $79 million.

$99 6 million or $2 <unk> per diluted share a year over year increase of 223%.

non-GAAP net income for the completed fiscal year was a record $551 2 million.

Or $13 54 per diluted share compared.

Compared to the prior year of $316 4 million or $8 26 per diluted share delivering a 74% year over year improvement.

Revenue for the recently completed June quarter was $476 4 million slightly above the midpoint of our guidance.

Revenue was up 1% sequentially with the Companys Iot product growth offsetting sequential declines in both mobile and PC.

Revenue from Iot, PC, and mobile, where 70%, 17% and 13% respectively.

Year over year June quarter revenue was up 45% as our Iot products continued to deliver significant growth.

Our June quarter, Iot product revenue grew 87% year over year and was up 10% sequentially, reflecting strong customer demand during the quarter.

Excluding the DSP group acquisition are.

Organic Iot sales were up approximately 65% year over year.

As Michael mentioned.

These results showcase the success, we have achieved in our strategy to pivot synaptics to a more diversified company focused on Iot applications.

Iot is now 70% of our revenue and has grown at 50% compounding annual growth rate over the last three years to end the fiscal year at $1 1 billion in revenue a significant achievement by almost any measure.

In PC, our June quarter revenue was down 10% sequentially and down 3% year over year.

Our historically high mix and commercial notebooks gives us confidence in our ability to continue to lead in PC through both up and down markets.

As we look ahead, we expect modest downward market pressure in Pcs as our customers adjust to a more cautious and buyer.

But we would expect our commercially weighted business to outperform the overall PC market.

Our June quarter mobile product revenue was down 20% sequentially and declined 4% year over year lower than our prior expectations.

<unk> phone sell through continues to be weak.

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During the quarter, we had two customers greater than 10% of revenue at approximately 15% and 10%.

Both being distributors servicing multiple Oems.

Good variety of our products shipped through these distributors and as such don't represent any specific one OEM or end market.

For the June quarter, our GAAP gross margin was a new company record at 55, 9%, which includes $22 8 million of intangible asset amortization nine.

900000 of inventory fair value adjustment.

And $1 million of share based compensation costs.

June quarter non-GAAP gross margin of 61% was at the midpoint of our guidance range, which maintains our momentum with a strong product mix.

GAAP operating expenses in the June quarter were $142 million, which includes share based compensation of $25 7 million.

Acquisition related costs of $9 1 million consisting of intangibles amortization.

And amortization of prepaid development cost of $2 5 million and restructuring related costs of 500000.

Our GAAP tax expense was $32 3 million for the quarter and non-GAAP tax expense was $21 4 million.

In the June quarter, we had GAAP net income of $82 9 million or GAAP net income of $2 <unk> per share.

Our record non-GAAP net income in the June quarter of $157 million was an increase of 3% from the prior quarter and an 81% increase from the same quarter a year ago.

This significant increase in profit has rewarded our shareholders with a record setting non-GAAP EPS per diluted share of $3 87.

Above the high end of our guidance range.

Now turning to the balance sheet.

We ended the quarter with $876 million of cash cash equivalents and short term investments on hand, an increase of $121 million from the preceding quarter.

Due to strong cash flow from operations of $128 million.

Receivables at the end of June were $322 million and days of sales outstanding were 61 days.

<unk> from 57 days last quarter.

Days of inventory were 82 above 71 days last quarter and ending inventory balance was $170 million.

Inventory turns have slowed primarily in our mobile and PC areas.

Capital expenditures for the quarter were $4 2 million and depreciation was $6 1 million.

We continue to pursue accretive inorganic opportunities.

While some of our market areas are experiencing moderate softness we believe share repurchase is a good use of our cash and a positive return potential.

Now, let me turn to our September quarter outlook.

16% and 10% respectively.

At the midpoint, we expect our Iot products to continue to grow approximately 60% year over year and up modestly on a sequential basis.

Partially offsetting anticipated further declines in mobile and PC.

Our backlog position remains strong and continues to be above the high end of our revenue guidance.

<unk>, we are seeing a change in some customer behavior, including some recent request for push outs and cancellations to.

To add additional color we are seeing this change in products tied closest to consumer applications.

Specifically mobile phones virtual reality in a subset of wireless applications.

We expect to maintain our strength in gross margins with GAAP gross margin for the September quarter expected to be in the range of 55% to 56%.

We expect non-GAAP gross margin in the range of 65 to 61, 5%, which at the midpoint of 61% would be approximately 300 basis points higher than the same quarter one year ago.

We expect non-GAAP operating expenses in the September quarter to be slightly below our June results and be a range of $102 million to $105 million.

At this point, we have not changed our investment plans and continue to hire and add to our engineering and go to market capabilities to drive long term product roadmap.

The sequential decline in operating expenses reflects a resetting of the company's annual bonus program as we begin our new fiscal year.

GAAP net income per share for our September quarter is expected to be in the range of $1 35 to $1 65.

And non-GAAP net income per diluted share is anticipated to be in the range of $3 20.

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On an estimated 41 million fully diluted shares.

We expect non-GAAP net interest expense to be approximately $8 5 million in the September quarter.

Finally, beginning with fiscal Q1, we expect our fiscal 2023 long term non-GAAP tax rate to be in the range of 16% to 18%, reflecting the tax law changes, we discussed last quarter.

This wraps up our prepared remarks, I'd like to now turn the call over to the operator to begin the Q&A session operator.

Certainly at this time, if you'd like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad.

Rajiv Gill with Needham Your line is open.

Oh.

Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question.

As you know I'm new to the call. So I apologize in advance if I violate any official or unofficial protocols here, but.

We appreciate the fact that.

The fiscal year is off to a bit.

A bit of a soft start common theme throughout the earnings season.

<unk> to China.

Our Iot business is generally held up well, but as we said in the prepared remarks were seeing some pockets of softness some pockets of strength on balance.

It's holding up relatively well.

So I think it's going to probably be another quarter before we really get to a point, where we have visibility I would say.

And we've just got to work through this this period in the PC and mobile sectors, where there is some some uncertainty.

Okay.

<unk>.

K, yet, but if I go back to your most recent filing I believe your purchase obligations were about $280 million.

Which I believe is an elevated level for you guys and so my question is did they pick up more as we concluded the fiscal year.

Are they higher than you would need them to be do you have more capacity in some areas than you need from your foundry partners and is there any ability to do.

Negotiate the timing or quantity with the fab partners.

Significant movements in purchase obligations.

As you know we do have a few obligations with a subset of suppliers, but the vast majority don't have sort of.

Written.

The liability obligation.

Michael do you want to talk about capacity, Okay, Yes, I mean, I would say two other things Gary right on the on the purchase obligations. Obviously on the back end of those we think we've got customer obligations that sort of tied to those so we feel good about having a balance between our purchase obligations and where we've.

<unk> been able to pass that on to customers in terms of long term agreements and things of that nature.

We're definitely seeing easing in supply as we said in the prepared remarks.

There are still pockets, where we're chasing supply our operations team is working overdrive on on some of our nodes 55 nanometer being one where it is still really really compressed but in other areas. We're seeing some easing that's allowing us to meet demand.

Where we can so a little bit of a mixed bag there as well Gary.

I appreciate the color thanks, guys.

Absolutely.

Rajiv Gill with Needham Your line is open.

Yes, Thank you for taking my questions.

Wanted to dig a little bit deeper into some of the comments you talked about with respect to changes in customer behavior.

You mentioned.

Some.

Pockets of weakness obviously.

Mobile phones, that's been well documented.

10% of your business, but you talked about a little bit about softness in some subset of wireless applications and virtual reality headsets.

You mentioned overall these products are tied closer to the consumer so if mobile is about 10% of the business.

You kind of put that to aside.

What percentage of the revenue.

Total.

You feel it is tied to the quote unquote consumer applications.

Yeah, Roger I mean, it's actually tough to tell because many of our Iot products as you might imagine our long tail in nature.

It's a minority portion in each order technology area has a different mix of consumer versus enterprise sort of applications. So I don't have a specific quantification.

We said in prepared remarks, our observation has been.

As the products get closer to the consumer it does seem like we're seeing more volatility from the customers.

Two of those examples first being VR right is sort of having a very consumer centric customer base.

And as mobile phones, which you mentioned has been pretty well documented.

And then within wireless applications, obviously, a subset and that is sort of a long tail of applications.

That gives us confidence that we can we can kind of hang on there even though that particular part of our business is obviously very consumer facing.

In wireless as Dean said I think it's more of a mixed bag, where we've got.

Got it.

The gross margins are holding up nicely at around 61%.

The Iot business is 70% of revenue, it's going to 74% of revenue.

By far the highest gross margin segment.

Of your company. So if there is a slowdown.

Iot maybe.

Maybe on some of the consumer facing products.

How are you kind of able to kind of maintain the gross margins.

Or should we be expecting kind of some volatility or variability in those margins.

Overtime.

Yes, I mean, I think I think near term. It's goes back to your first question, it's sort of the overall mix and within Iot, We've got a reasonable.

And that area of mix, we're seeing some price competition, we would expect some gross margin erosion potentially so depending on how those two play out as parts of our mix.

I think you get an <unk>.

And so right now it says it on balance we see it holding up plus or minus through the balance of the fiscal year.

Just add one more item Roger and we've talked about in the past on prior calls.

We do have input prices that continue to change.

Mix is certainly in our favor Iot sort of continues to grow that probably doesn't change, but that's a bit offset by changing input prices.

We obviously forecast and guide one quarter at a time and we continue to do extremely well in the gross margin Department.

And we would expect to continue to do that.

For the next quarter as you can see in September here.

And if I could just squeezing one more question ill hop back in the queue.

Internal inventory.

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Grew over 100% year over year.

Absolute dollar basis.

So revenue is growing revenue grew maybe 45% so inventory growth is double that of revenue growth.

Just wondering how you're thinking about inventory how are you thinking about the channel inventory, particularly in Iot and kind of.

Currently where you are kind of lead times for key products. Thanks, so much.

What I would say is the inventory increase.

Continued to be strong.

Good.

Continue to you'll look to carry decent inventory specifically in some of our Iot products.

On top of this what Youll also ends up.

Clouding, a little bit of pictures as lead times come in and start to get compressed.

The inventory and therefore backlog does move.

As as lead times start to change and those have started to come in as supply has loosened a little bit in some of these areas.

Okay.

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Rolland with Susquehanna. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Thanks for the question.

Some guys are coming out and they have decent septembers in terms of the guide, but then pretty big fall for December and I think that's because.

Perhaps there.

Customers are building inventory into the September quarter, I guess do you have any visibility into that.

And as we look past September what are we kind of thinking a trough or sorry, not a trough, but a steady state.

Mobile quarterly rate might be like when things get back to normal.

Would you classify PC here is as normal as well.

Those two segments or in particular.

Im trying to figure out from a steady state.

Longer term perspective thanks.

Yes, Chris.

Again fair questions and I think.

We're all trying to get to the <unk>.

Bottom of where this is.

I think in Chinese mobile handsets, where the majority of our exposure is.

It's still very hard for us to say.

As.

Indicated in the prepared remarks, we're seeing some signs of life in that market, where sell through has ticked up we've seen sort of month over month increases. However, like you I am concerned about inventory levels and how long that is ultimately going to take to burn off such that we see.

An uptick there.

We do have a slightly positive offsetting event and that is there are more handsets coming online the mix is shifting more and more toward this flexible OLED display type, which as you know is one where we have strength.

In the PC area again, I think we've got.

It's hard for us to sort of understand where where this thing bottoms out.

As you do we're hearing of inventory in the channel.

Inc.

Our sort of positive offsetting event there is.

We're more commercially facing.

And we haven't necessarily seen the big puts and pulls though that some of our competitors have that have a more consumer facing mix. So again very hard for us to sort of guide beyond the quarter. We just gave.

Some positive signs some positive signs in terms of inventory bleed, but on balance it's tough to call I don't know Dean if you have any more than that yes. That's right I mean, I would just echo Michael's comments in a lot of these customers I think are reacting from the macro.

And I think until customers start to get comfortable on where the overall economy is headed I think they are probably going to be a little bit of choppiness.

Kind of across the board.

Thanks, guys and then.

My next one is around the Opex so seemed like it was pretty good in the quarter better than we had expected.

What does that portend for the rest of the year in investment here and there.

And then perhaps related or unrelated.

Broadcom connectivity IP business.

That potentially I believe might be up for sale again in 2023 are there any updates on your thinking there and would you potentially be a purchaser of that or.

Is this all internal Opex and R&D development that you guys are focused on yes.

Yes, Chris Let me just first take the Opex, one I'll, let Michael comment around Broadcom Wi Fi Opex, we're actually still on track on Opex nothing has really changed we continue to invest in the business.

You saw in the June quarter, and I spoke to it a little bit in my prepared remarks.

We had an unexpected FX benefit to opex in the quarter.

Excluding sort of what the FX impact as we would have been pretty in line with what we had previously guided so that was sort of an unexpected FX.

Guiding into September .

Really what you see on the Opex.

In that guide range is a resetting of the new fiscal year for the company and.

Resetting of all the the bonus plans and accruals sort of around around that.

That you'd sort of typically see.

Every year, and we will continue to hire and sort of grow kind of per our plan. So I would say on the opex side, probably nothing's really changed from the thesis.

Michael you want to talk about Wi Fi.

Yes, Chris I mean, here's here's the way the contract reads.

Obviously at the end of the three year exclusion zone, they could resell the business again, a third time, if you will it's hard for me at this point to understand what they would sell.

So it's not to say they can't there won't be a lot of the dynamics that that we got when we ended up taking on this business.

I don't know as a buyer what I would buy now in this particular circumstance seeing that there is no business and no people attached to it.

It's not to say, we might do something creative to keep somebody else out of it if it was indeed up for sale, but it's hard for me to understand what a buyer would be getting this time around.

Thanks, Michael and just a clarification from Dean Dean what do you think a run rate for <unk>.

In terms of Opex further remainder of the year would be for next year, just trying to understand December through channel. Thanks, Yeah. I would just look at sort of September guide and just sort of modestly sort of step up quarterly.

Thanks, guys.

Yes.

Krish <unk> with Cowen Your line is open.

Okay.

Hey, guys. This is Eddie for Chris I have a question on your virtual reality exposure. It seems you have a strong pipeline in that segment.

Those programs ramp, which I'm, assuming should have been back half of next year, how big can so virtual reality EBITA percentage of Iot.

Thank you.

And maybe you can give two seconds on what we said when we first broke out the business and maybe I'll talk a little bit to the second half of the question, which is how big we see it I mean I think that this one.

As.

As you all put in the prepared remarks is really dependent on how well that market does.

We have a big position in the market. There is one sort of giant customer right now, but we're actually really optimistic that we're going to see.

Two or three equally sized customers come online here relatively quickly.

No.

We think we have a differentiated product line. It's one that we're focused on we continue to develop products for we're optimistic that we can continue to lead in the market but.

The guess as to the size of the market ultimately really we're dependent on market reports and guesses as much as as much as probably EUR.

We had reported at that point in time, it was about a $50 million a year run rate revenue business for us.

It has since grown it had been growing quite rapidly for actually a couple of years.

And so it is obviously much larger now.

Great. Thanks, Doug.

Kevin Cassidy with Rosenblatt Your line is open.

Yes, Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on these tough times for.

Pulling out these numbers and keeping gross margins up.

And as Youre looking at the mobile business, so that going down to 10% of revenue.

Youre still youre.

Not sure what the with the Chinese Oems.

Whether theres going to be an uptick or not would you ever consider exiting that market.

It's a great question, Kevin I mean I think.

The problem for US is there is a lot of tie between what we do in mobile and technology. Then, we then redeploy to automotive or two to VR.

It is an overall accretive business for us it's throwing off cash.

It's obviously, we've been really disappointed in and how it's grown from a topline perspective, certainly over the last couple of years.

And that complicates that discussion a bit more than might be apparent.

Yes, I would just add one.

One other thing is since Mike and I joined.

You, obviously have taken sort of a different strategic lens to mobile which is.

Managed to where our value proposition is and that that's what we've been focused on.

But it does have synergies that Michael talked about in some of our other areas that are strategically important.

Okay.

Okay, Yeah, I can I can see that especially for automotive and maybe if you could talk about the barriers to competitive competitors that you have in the automotive market.

And the Big one Kevin is is this concept of TDI I mean, you really have to have state of the display drivers and state of the art touch.

We are seeing customers come in and what we're trying to do to differentiate is we're trying to.

All that so we've been able to.

That's a great market for us.

That just the very fact that you need both state of the art touch and state of the art display driver.

<unk> competitors largely at Bay.

Great. Thank you.

Thanks, Kevin Good speaking.

Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho Your line is open.

Yeah, Hey, Dan and Michael just a quick question on the Iot side, obviously, you have a pretty good mix between automotive and some of their DSP group stuff in dispelling exit.

Yes.

How would you break that up if you were to look at Iot between.

The consumer exports or industrial or enterprise and automotive if you can is there a way.

A way to kind of ballpark, what the mix would be between the different segments.

Yeah. So Vijay we don't break out into these sort of sub sub areas. I mean, I think what we tried to do last call and again. This call is talk about sort of the four major growth areas within Iot.

That double that of the four growth drivers.

The accounts for 90% year on year growth. So those businesses are doing tremendously well and they account for the majority of Iot.

Got it and I saw Iot is now getting to almost 70, 475% earnings target.

Do you have a pretty good portfolio, but if you were looking.

Look for them and they are and what would be the where do you see opportunities too.

Brought in order improve that Iot platform.

Yes, Vijay I would definitely I mean, I think that.

Inorganic growth is pretty big plank of the platform that Dean and I are putting forth and I think that we've done relatively well with the acquisitions that we've taken in.

To maximize synergies and actually.

Over delivered in almost every case in terms of what we put forth as our operating plan.

What I would say right now and Dean alluded to when he started talking about the share buyback I think its a difficult environment right now for M&A. Our valuation is obviously, we think is incredibly low thats why for the first time, Mr. Butler is signaling some appetite to do a share buyback.

We think that if we had to put stock in a deal it's incredibly cheap right. Now. Meanwhile, we've had a pretty big correction in our stock price some of our competitors all had corrections probably not as much as ours. So the M&A environment right now just from a financial perspective as <unk>.

Difficult.

We continue to look to add breadth in the Iot area. Vijay I think there are pieces like power and other things that you could see that if we brought in and we're able to cross sell it might make sense, but we have nothing really identified.

Primarily because of this problem and evaluation for the most part.

Got it great. Thank you.

<unk> share of <unk> with <unk>.

<unk> Your line is open.

Hi, Thank you a question on this.

And our visibility into that into that channel.

Mike Indeed at.

First of all what is the percent of sales.

Given the distribution the top two customers also distribution and then.

So you just please remind us what's distribution sales and then.

Can you just help us understand your visibility into that channel.

Some sense of what channel inventories.

Yeah first on distribution sizing.

Youll sort of traditional distribution is relatively small many of our customers are sort of OEM customers.

So distributors, if you think about it in sort of a traditional sense are probably in the 30% range.

There are some distributors that we use that are sort of logistics providers between sort of us in the OEM that aren't really doing sort of demand creation. So that's sort of another component.

That is probably an area that.

Customers utilize when the macro starts to change they either sort of push to the distributors or pull out of distributors, depending on sort of their viewpoint of what's happening in the macro.

Then in other parts of the business as we've been saying, it's actually very light and we're basically almost on a JIT type of shipment basis.

In areas like automotive docking station parts of our wireless business.

We're shipping and Theres very little its almost pass through from the distributors. So its a bit of a mixed bag I wish we could give you a little bit more clarity, but it really does depend for us kind of segment by segment.

No I think this is helpful. Thank you guys.

Martin Yang with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

Hi, Michael and Thanks for taking my question. My question is a follow up on the Iot.

Segment, you highlighted four key growth drivers are those.

For readers also representative of the top four revenue.

<unk> contribution if not can you maybe rank.

Some of the highest contributors.

By by product segment to the Iot yes.

Got it. So is it are you referring to the media at <unk> Park.

<unk> product areas that collection is probably larger than VR today.

Got it thank you.

Thanks, Mark good question.

This concludes the time allotted for Q&A I will now turn the call over to Snapback management for final remarks.

I would like to thank all of you for joining US today, we certainly look forward to speaking to you at our upcoming investor conferences during the quarter. Thanks a lot.

This concludes the Synaptics, Inc. Fourth quarter fiscal year 2022 financial results call. We thank you for your participation you may now disconnect.

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