Q3 2022 Bellring Brands Inc Earnings Call
Welcome to the Bel bring brands third quarter 2022 earnings conference call and webcast.
Hosting the call today for Bell ring brands are Darcy Davenport, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Paul rode Chief Financial Officer.
Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay beginning at 130 P. M. Eastern time the dial in number is 808 395241 No pass code is required at this time all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor.
Virtue, Matt Mainer Investor Relations of Bell ring brands for introductions you May go ahead.
Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for Bell ringing brands third quarter fiscal 'twenty two earnings call with me today are Darcy Davenport, our president and CEO and Paul rode our CFO Darcy and Paul will begin with prepared remarks, and afterwards, we'll have a brief question and answer session.
Yes release and supplemental slide presentation that support these remarks are posted on our website in both the Investor relations and the SEC filings sections at Bell ringing the Bell rang Dot com.
In addition, the release and slides are available on the SEC's website.
Before we continue we'd like to remind you that this call will contain certain forward looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that should be carefully considered by investors as actual results could differ materially from these statements.
These forward looking statements are current as of the date of this fall and management undertakes no obligation to update these statements. As a reminder, this call is being reported and an audio replay will be available on our website.
And finally this call will discuss certain non-GAAP measures for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the nearest GAAP measure see our press release issued yesterday and posted on our website.
That I will turn the call over to Darcy.
Okay.
Thanks, Matt and thank you all for joining US last evening, we reported our third quarter results and posted a supplemental presentation to our website.
I'd like to start with the quarter's headlines.
Net sales grew 8% over prior year and our adjusted EBITDA was up 15% with healthy margins.
Amir protein is tracking to our expectations. It grew 7% net sales versus prior year and grew sequentially, 23% over Q2.
Premier Shake supply continues to be tight and we continue to allocate supply.
However, I am pleased with the progress we are making to satisfy our customers. In fact this quarter, we prioritized building some inventory to improve customer fill rates rather than maximizing our sales volume in the quarter.
This helps both salary and our customers more reliably build the brand.
Meanwhile, Diamond ties continues to show impressive momentum elasticity was a bit higher than expected, but the brand still had a strong quarter up 17%.
As you saw in yesterday's press release, we tightened our fiscal 'twenty two guidance range for both sales and adjusted EBITDA, we slightly reduced the top end of sales growth and increase the bottom end of our EBITDA range factoring in our actual Q3 performance.
As planned Q4 expectations are largely unchanged.
And sales should sequentially grow versus Q3, and deliver our largest year on year growth rate in 'twenty two.
Our guidance delivers an annual sales growth rate of between 11, and 14% coupled with robust EBITDA, despite capacity constraints and limited promotion and marketing.
Our industry like many others is experiencing inflationary pressures.
We continue to see our major dairy protein inputs for a shake products escalate.
As a result, we announced an additional price increase I'm premier protein RTD shakes effective Q1, 2020 three.
Our preliminary twenty-three outlook still suggests R 22 back half adjusted EBITDA dollar run rate to be a reasonable proxy for the full year fiscal 'twenty three.
We believe our net sales will be above our long term algorithm of 10% to 12% growth driven by both strong volume and pricing.
We will provide more detail on fiscal 'twenty three next quarter.
Now turning to our category brand highlights and updates on our capacity expansion.
We continue to see healthy growth in the convenient nutrition category ready to drink beverages grew 9% and ready to make a powder as grew 14% in dollars.
Although pricing was a major factor for the dollar growth consumer tailwind around wellness and healthier food solutions continue to push the category higher.
Premier protein continues to demonstrate tremendous strength market share returned to growth in Q3, and TD pes stabilized while repeat rates and velocity has held steady.
Turning to exhibit our high consumer loyalty.
Well premier protein shake consumption and household penetration declined in Q3. This is consistent with our expectations given our intentional pullback in promotion marketing and Skus.
We expect overall shake consumption to be down in Q4, as well versus prior year as we lap a big promotional period.
Encouragingly July which had a little promotion in the prior year posted a consumption increase of 11% as a result of improved retailer stock levels.
We remain confident we will continue to see this type of improvement as our new supply continues to ramp up and we return to offense in fiscal 'twenty three.
These metrics reaffirm that we have a long runway for sustained growth.
Turning to diamond ties.
The brand had another great quarter with consumption dollars in the U S up 21% across tracked and untracked channels and that momentum continued into July .
Although we did see a distribution loss in club as a result of our last price increase all other key channels saw significant double digit growth despite reduced promotion and marketing.
Overall, the brand's health remains strong Diamond times is the number one or number two sports protein brand in most of our key retailers with a ton of upside.
As planned we will begin to ramp up marketing and promotions in Q4 to further drive demand.
Moving to our capacity expansion, we remain on track we improved our service levels trade inventories are starting to rebuild and our co man partners are producing largely as expected we increased our shake production by 20% versus prior quarter.
In closing I'm pleased with our year to date performance in a very challenging environment. We remain on track to deliver not only our full year guidance, but equally important complete our key objectives that will set us up for a strong fiscal 'twenty three and beyond.
We have two leading mainstream brands with tremendous consumer loyalty.
Amir protein is gaining momentum and market share despite no demand driving activities.
New capacity is coming along as expected, which paves the way for future years.
I have robust growth.
Dematteis continues to win with mainstream athletes and the brand is accelerating into Q4 with a new media campaign distribution drive and new products we.
We feel confident about our long term outlook and the building blocks, we have in place to get there.
You for your continued support and I look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter, along with more specifics around the upcoming fiscal year.
I will now turn the call over to Paul.
Thanks, Darcy and good morning, everyone.
Net sales for the quarter were $371 million and adjusted EBITDA was $81 million net.
Net sales grew 8% over prior year and adjusted EBITDA increased 15% with adjusted EBITDA margins of 21, 8%.
Their protein net sales grew 7% driven by higher average net selling prices, reflecting price increases and reduced promotional activity.
Partially by a 9% volume decline.
Remember last year's third quarter was exceptionally strong and we depleted inventory in addition to selling what we produced.
These prior year inventory reductions in contrast to a planned inventory build in the current quarter resulted in volume declines despite production increases.
<unk> net sales grew 17% compared to a year ago, driven by higher net pricing and favorable product mix offset partially by lower volumes.
Volumes were impacted by several factors, including elasticities from recent pricing actions reductions in trade inventory levels during the third quarter and lapping prior year promotional activities.
Gross profit gross profit of $120 million grew 8% with gross margins of 32, 4%.
Gross margins were flat to prior year as our pricing actions offset significant inflation.
Excluding one time items SG&A expenses increased 2 million compared with last year and as a percentage of sales improved 40 basis points.
Our cash flow in the third quarter was unfavorably impacted by higher working capital primarily increased finished good inventory and raw materials.
Inventory levels decreased as planned as we continue to rebuild safety stock to better service customers.
We expect working capital to moderate in the fourth quarter and result in stronger free cash flow.
During the quarter, we repaid $25 million against our revolving credit facility.
As of June 30, net debt was $889 million and net leverage was three five times.
Turning to our outlook, we tightened our fiscal 2022 guidance range for net sales of $1 three nine to $1 42 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $262 million to $268 million.
Our south our sales outlook for the quarter remains largely unchanged with double digit net sales growth expected for premier protein and diamond.
Which both benefited from higher net pricing.
Similar to the third quarter, we are lapping significant shake inventory reductions that shipments outpaced production.
As an expected headwind to premier protein shake volumes in the fourth quarter.
We expect sequential net sales growth from the third quarter, driven by new products on both brands as well as increased distribution and promotional activity and media support for Diamond guys.
We expect fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA to grow significantly for prior year benefiting from higher net sales and modestly higher margins.
We anticipate fourth quarter gross margins to improve compared to prior year, but declined sequentially from the third quarter as a result of expected dairy protein inflation.
In closing we are encouraged by our third quarter performance and are well positioned to close out another strong year.
I will now turn it over to the operator for questions.
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Thank you. Our first question will come from Ken Goldman with J P. Morgan. Your line is now open.
Hi, good morning, everybody.
I mean.
I wanted to follow up.
Darcy on the guidance or outlook for fiscal 'twenty, three and thank you again for providing that and updating it.
Was there a minor change in how you are sort of looking at sales I think previously you sort of a midpoint.
We're looking for and I know these are all kind of rough numbers is around 12%.
It sounds like you are guiding for a little bit higher than that if I'm hearing you correctly. So I just wanted to make sure I'm not reading too much into this or you actually tweaking that number higher a little bit or am I, just kind of overthinking it.
You are not over thinking it that was our intention and the main reason is last quarter, we didn't factor in the price increase.
Got it okay. So it's all pricing I assume there's some elasticity built in there too can you talk a little bit about the elasticity level you are baking in for next year.
You know at this point I don't want to go into details about 23, what we wanted to do with simply obviously last quarter. We gave you a guide and this quarter it changed a little bit for the positive. So we wanted to give you an update but we will go into detail about all of the about giving you a you know.
<unk> arranged for both top and bottom line next quarter.
Yes, no complaints you've been generous with that already.
I just wanted to ask one quick follow up do you have an update on if you're if you said this forgive me do you have an update on the.
Timing of the SKU assortment sort of rejuvenation I guess for lack of a better word for premier, but I mean, it's one of those skus sort of come back on shelf that aren't there right now.
Yeah, We said last quarter, we said that we expected to the latter part of this year and into next year, we would be focused on increasing inventory fill rate trade inventories et cetera, we would introduce a new flavors or at least we expect to introduce then.
New flavors.
Kind of mid 'twenty, three and then marketing and promotion would be slotted toward the end of 'twenty three and there's nothing I think that's still in place.
Got it thanks, so much thank you.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Pamela Kaufman with Morgan Stanley . Your line is now open.
Hi, good morning.
<unk>.
Can you give your perspective on how the active nutrition category performs in an environment, where consumers are under increasing pressure and looking for savings I know that category was pretty nascent in OLED.
<unk> nine, but maybe just some historical context on how it performed and how you think about its resilience in a tougher macro backdrop.
Sure. It's a great question and you're right I mean, you think about this category and it's it's really only about 30 years old so.
It was small in the last downturn.
Talk about first is my thoughts on the category and then I'll briefly had on our brands.
<unk>.
I believe you said the category in general.
Talk about RTD is it at most RTD is and especially our brands being premier protein are used as breakfast replacement. So when you think about the cost of for instance, our shake and Premier is about too.
Dollars, you know anywhere between $1 50 to $2, it's a pretty cheap breakfast and what's also interesting is theres very low substitute substitute ability for some like a high protein low sugar option. So I think that based on our research first of all premise.
Are is really set up well for kind of a recessionary environment.
And I think the overall.
Category. The RTD category is well is well positioned from a powder standpoint same thing it's for the most part our supplement and these are high loyalty consumers that.
Or just trying to figure out new ways to.
<unk> increased their protein intake from <unk> standpoint.
We have high consumer loyalty I think we are most loyal are going to stay loyal and it is a pretty high it's a high priced item. So I do believe we're going to be we're going to see some shifting and actually we saw this quarter, we're going to see some shifting into.
Smaller sizes.
So we you know we have our biggest size of diamond guys is now close to $100. So what we've seen this quarter is a move to the smaller sizes.
And then we did see some move into less expensive kind of less quality protein and so I think we'll see some of that so expect so I think the category is good macro trends are still there.
And providing tailwind to the category or specific brands I believe are set up well, but I do think we're going to see some trade down and powders.
Thanks, and I just wanted to follow up on your comments on time as high I mean, you've taken a lot of pricing on the brand and noted that elasticities have come in a bit higher than you expected.
How do you think about balancing pricing growth on diamonds highs versus driving further household penetration gains.
How has the consumer reaction to pricing influenced your strategy going forward.
Yeah.
Powders, specifically, you're exactly right, we've taken a fair amount of pricing on diamond ties and overall the category because we're just we're at historic highs on way pricing, So and candidly you know we have.
At certain times of year, we hadn't even covered the price increase with our the cost increases.
Sure.
What we've seen I'll first start with my comments about.
Q3, being a little bit higher than our elasticity than we expected we forecasted kind of moderate elasticity. What was interesting is what we saw this quarter specifically.
Is consumers once the price was reflected the higher price was reflected consumers.
Almost had a little bit of sticker shock because I talked about that 100 dollar price point. They they pause and then evaluated and then came back and purchased for the most part smaller sizes of diamond ties.
I think that pause and reevaluation, we did not expect and so that's why that kind of the higher than expected elasticity really occurred in Q3, and it's why we feel good about our forecast for you last 50 on Diamond.
Ties in Q4 and beyond so that is a little bit more color on the diamond tied you asked as to your question about how do you balance.
Taking more price versus driving demand.
You know, we don't have any when I talked about taking a taken another price increase that is just on premier it is not on diner ties.
We do not have any plans to take further price on diner ties and actually now we are going into Q4, we are going to be.
We have a new media campaign, where have a distribution drive we're launching a couple of new products. So we're really getting back to accelerating demand on that ran up to now we've kind of held back on our demand driving activities on diamond ties and now we're you know kind of pressing the accelerator.
The radar so I think that looking forward, we don't expect any additional pricing and we're all about driving demand.
Got it. Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah.
Ben Your line is open please make sure your phone is not on mute.
Yeah.
Hearing no response, we'll go to our next question from Andrew Lazar.
With Barclays. Your line is open.
Interestingly Paul.
Good morning.
Okay.
First off I'm, just curious what do you think caused the difference I guess between sort of consensus sales estimates for the third quarter and what you guys reported was the entirety of the difference do you think the decision that you talked about to sort of rebuild inventory rather than.
Sort of maximizing.
Product sales in the quarter or maybe we just all mis modeled it to start with I'm trying to get a sense of what that what that difference was.
Two really two factors. The first is around dermatitis. So I talked about elasticity as were slightly higher than expected. In Q3. We also had a reduction of trade inventory levels in Q3.
So that first with diamond ties. The second piece is what you referred to and what I talked about in my prepared remarks was that the choice to build inventory and kind of prioritize fill rate over maximizing sales in the quarter.
And you feel like you'll still do that but maybe not not to an extent in the fourth quarter that changes your outlook on the fourth quarter sales with things like <unk>.
Correct.
And then.
Maybe you can remind me I don't if there are any learnings from the last time you went through the capacity constraint issue. This was pre IPO.
Sort of what happened.
Household penetration trends then I don't know if household penetration took a dip.
In response to those capacity constraints.
And then Reaccelerate once capacity came online or if the brand was in a different place back then such that it didn't behave the same way.
Alright, Yeah household penetration and TDP is household penetration.
Sure.
And you know market share it did take a little bit of a dip.
It was.
It was a little bit shorter.
I think the brand was in a different place than.
In general we saw a little bit of a dip and then once we started.
Re accelerating demand, bringing back our new items filling out the shelves.
All of the metrics metrics are rebounded very quickly like within.
Call it three to six months everything rebounded so and we expect this to be the.
The same.
And I also believe that the brand is now first of all last time, we went down to two flavors only this time you know we.
Seven flavors on the shelf the brand is bigger than.
We have more loyalty more household penetration and so I don't think everything would say that you know we will rebound kind of.
Either in the same amount of time or even a little faster.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Our next question will come from Dan with Stephens. Your line is now open.
Yeah.
Hey, guys, sorry about the technical difficulties, thanks Blair on for Ben.
Can I ask a two part question on the sales breakdown first.
First of all can you delineate between.
The capacity constraints once demand elasticity to the price increases.
Each of those.
Volumes specifically.
Make sure I heard your question correctly, so for Premier as we've taken pricing we have not seen any elasticity on our shakes today. So as we took the March April March April price increase our consumption trends have been very stable and steady throughout that time period.
So that would suggest that there is.
No elasticity lawn or shakes to date.
And then.
Paul.
As you guys.
Bob.
The promotional spend.
Is that seem to be more focused on driving categories. So bringing people don't use premier.
You can see the category.
And she was like.
Driving higher purchase rates for U b, increasing just visibility to the brand.
Yes.
You gave me.
Okay.
Yeah, Ben so when I talked about increasing promotional and marketing spend in Q4, I just want to make sure that it was clear it is on Guyana ties it is not on premier.
So.
Are you talking about it for 2003.
Cool.
Yeah. So on Premier when we began driving demand again and doing marketing yeah. Our marketing effort is all around household penetration.
So we have a pretty high by rate one of the highest in the category and it's been pretty stable throughout this period of time and now but it is this is a household penetration story, we still are even though we're the highest household penetration within the.
Laurie we still believe there's a ton of upside where you know between seven and 8% and we believe that it can go much higher so it's all about new households.
And then if I could maybe sneak in one quick question on capital allocation.
Moving forward I know you mention.
And the working capital demands in the quarter.
Cash flow normalizes.
Hum.
Reduction.
Sure I mean, I know you did a little bit.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah sure. So our primary focus is to delever.
We do have.
We are.
We have a balance on our revolving credit facility that we did pay down 25 million in the quarter and so we'll continue to focus on that but we will continue to look at share repurchases as opportunistic so where we see attractive opportunities to win here.
We will we will buy but those are delevering as our primary priority but.
Opportunistic share repurchases as also thank.
Thank you your priority for us.
Alright, Thanks, guys I'll hop back in queue.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Kamil <unk> with credit Suisse. Your line is now open.
Hi, Thank you first one just a quick one as you're thinking about your costs for the rest of this year and next year are there any hedges or things that we should know about.
Just as it relates to how that might work through the P&L and then secondly can you maybe just talk a bit about your performance by channel, perhaps what youre seeing in club versus E comm versus.
And even if I assume given the capacity issues expansion into groceries has slowed but any update there would also be useful. Thanks.
Yeah. So on your first question no there's really there's no hedging person.
That would have an impact that you would need to factor in.
Of our.
Protein buys which is our biggest buy is mostly firm fixed contracts. There is some indexing based on.
The CME and other indexes, but.
We have physical points here, we certainly have a good line of sight of what our costs are at this point.
And we obviously have some coverage into fiscal 'twenty three as well.
Hedging perspective, there is nothing.
That you would need a model.
And regarding consumption by channel Camille are you are you asking about premier or Diamondback.
Really both but probably premier a bit more okay.
Okay, well I'll go through both are quickly so premier during the quarter.
And if you look at our supplemental that kind of goes through but I'll give you a little more information that's not even in there.
<unk>.
When youre looking versus year ago. The change is going to be all about if we're lapping promotion prior year. So what we find is when you actually look at the trends there very stable on premier, but the year ago number.
Hi, Vasily.
Vastly.
When you're comparing versus a year ago. It changes if there was a promotion last year. So just so you know that when you look at July so what's not in the supplemental.
And that doesn't have a lot of promotion and prior year, you start seeing and you know for the most part we are so I said, 11% in my prepared remarks Untracked is up 16% tracked is at 7% and overall you know club, but is up 10%.
Mass is up 15% and.
Food is about flat I.
E Com up 25%, so really solid growth rates when you take away the noise from last year promotion.
So I think that is very I think it's very encouraging.
When comparing what's going on across those channels. It really has to do with fill rate.
So where we have solid fill rate solid supply.
The business is doing great, where where you know don't exactly have the right flavors on shelf.
Et cetera, you know the the.
Consumption is is affected.
That's the first part and <unk> really strong double digit growth across all channels with one exception, which is club when we took our last price increase we lost distribution in club account.
And that that shows in the supplemental when you go to July and diet in Diamond ties at same same.
Same story up about 27% overall and tracked and untracked double digit in both and again double digit across the board with the exception of club.
Useful thank you.
Thanks.
Thank you. Our next question will come from John Baumgartner with Mizuho Securities. Your line is now open.
Good morning, Thanks for the question.
Maybe first off on the D dimer type business Darcy your explanation on the pause and reevaluate. It makes a lot of sense, but are you able to get a read from that dynamic to the extent that maybe would imply sort of an absolute ceiling on pricing for the category that maybe indicates more limited future opportunities for accretive innovation or do you still have a high willingness.
The consumer to pay for differentiation. This resistance is just more tied to the rate of pricing over short term period.
I really think it's the latter.
This category as you know.
Just has taken a ton of pricing I mean, I think on average our pricing is up 25% to 30%.
In a very short period of time, so I think that that's why I kind of called it.
Temporary sticker shock.
And what was interesting is it didn't like.
It was truly temporary because what we saw as consumers kind of lean I think what I mean, my view of it is that.
They saw it they paused they went back and did some more research.
And then came back and again now we are seeing pretty consistent consumption, but.
Higher 20 serve lower five pound.
And so and the only other dynamic I would say is.
You know we are seeing.
Some of those.
I don't know you know.
Maybe lower value consumers are less loyal consumers.
We're in channels.
Where they don't have the option of multiple different diameters sizes.
We have seen some you know a small percentage go to less premium options and.
I think my take on that and I think that makes sense. You you guys are seeing it across other categories with private label in the powder category. We we see some movement to private label, a slight increase of market share.
But more often just going to kind of less premium branded products.
Yeah.
Okay that makes sense.
For that and then a follow up for Paul on gross margin can you quantify the impact from the network inventory inefficiencies. These balances this quarter I think it was about 200 basis points last quarter.
The new supply ramps how quickly do you think you can get that network headwind to moderate I'm, just trying to get a sense for the opportunity to recover gross margin from supply chain normalization as opposed to just waiting for commodity deflation decided thank you.
Sure.
If you report that the inefficiencies we saw.
So improvements on that front this quarter. So it definitely peaked.
In the second quarter, we saw it come back dramatically in the third quarter or so.
So it was less than 50 basis points headwind in the third quarter, we'll still see some of this is we have from time to time imbalances within say a flavor or product.
But we expect it to moderate as we go forward.
We can really pull down our expectations for where those inefficiencies as we turn it on.
Thank you for your time.
Yeah.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Ken Zaslow with Bank of Montreal. Your line is now open.
Hey, good morning, guys.
Hey, Ken good morning.
Quick question I don't know if you said what gives you the confidence to actually read the EBITDA and does that create a new base from which these I remember back in the day. When you were able to get a higher EBITDA you kind of came back down once the new capacity, but I'm assuming that this EBITDA is here to stay.
And just I guess, that's my two part question.
Do you want to hit that Paul.
Well you want it.
The increase I guess for them.
Yeah, Yeah, so from a guidance standpoint, Ken sorry, you can tell we're not in the same spot.
From a guidance standpoint, it really was factoring in Q3 actuals. So we were you know that we typically tightened the range in Q3, and so we did on both net sales and EBITDA and and we've seen some favorability throughout the.
The year and so we you know, it's it's basically our run rate and going into Q4 and <unk>.
And do you want to head kind of going into the.
The future call.
Yes, we still feel good about.
Delivering EBITDA margins within our algorithm we've.
We're in the neighborhood of 19% this year around that last year. So as we look forward. We continue to believe that we can deliver EBITDA margins in that range and then we will see as we move forward of how inflation plays out and where there might be expansion opportunities.
To expand that as we go forward as well depending on levels of investment behind the brand marketing activities, but we still feel good about our ability to continue to deliver EBITDA strong EBITDA margins going forward.
I guess is there a give back of EBITDA.
23 <unk>.
Given the smaller production or does this become a new.
Based on which tweet.
To kind of continue to grow from.
Yes. If your question is obviously the EBITDA margins over 20% this quarter, we would not expect that to continue going forward.
Because we have further inflation coming.
No we're targeting still more to be in that.
On the higher half of our algorithm, which is 18% to 20%.
Okay, and then can you just one quick one can you just remind us exactly the cadence of capacity coming online in 2023.
And I'll leave it there thank you.
Yes, we have three new commands coming on in 'twenty three we have a small one in the first half in two major co man.
Coming in in the second half actually Q4.
We always know it's backend loaded because of the the two major ones are greenfield facilities. So those take.
Two plus years to to build they are on track and we see pictures all the time.
And the production basically if youre looking at the quarters on 23, the production grows every quarter.
I appreciate it thank you guys.
Thanks.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Operator, we cannot hear you.
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Eddie.
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