Q2 2022 Lightning eMotors Inc Earnings Call
on our website. We assume no duty to update any forward-looking statements. Today's presentation also includes non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the information contained in today's earnings press release for definitional information and reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to the comparable GAAP measures. With that, let me turn it over to Tim. Thank you, Brian , and thanks to everyone for joining us today. I'll start off on slide four with today's agenda. I will begin with an overview of Lightning and a supply chain update. Cash will then provide an update on products and markets and sales and business development initiatives, and Theresa will wrap up with a financial overview. Moving to slide six, we believe Lightning Motors is the only full-range manufacturer of Class 3 through 7 battery electric and fuel cell electric vehicles in the market, including ambulances, shuttle buses, utility trucks, school buses, and motor coaches. We're the only company currently shipping products in all of these classes today. We started in 2008 with commercial vehicle hybrid solutions and have now shipped over 300 zero-emission vehicles with over 2 million zero-emission miles driven by our customers. Our strategy to start by electrifying ICE chassis has allowed us to produce in volume earlier than our peers, advancing our learning about all things EV, and giving us a competitive lead as we now move to designing and building our own E-chassis. Moving to slide seven, we've built a modular software and hardware architecture that allows us to serve a highly segmented and customized market with cost-effective solutions. Our high level of software and hardware customization.
That is required for commercial electric vehicles is something that legacy OEMs have not historically performed and are not well suited for companies like Ford and GM are building light duty commercial trucks and vans and high volumes and have not pursued a business model that supports manufacturing electric vehicles for the medium duty segment. Moving to slide 8.
A quick summary of the quarter. Our production team executed very well in the quarter, producing 74 vehicles and power trains, which is nearly 100% increase over quarter 2 of 2021.
These were all units built to meet customer demand, but customer financing delays pushed nearly half of the expected revenue into Q3 and Q4, resulting in only 36 vehicle and powertrain sales in the quarter. We have already recognized over a million dollars of that expected revenue so far in Q3.
Since our last earnings call, we have announced a strong lineup of new products and partnerships, which we will go into in more detail coming up.
We continue to hire industry leaders to our team and we are investing for the future.
Lastly, during the quarter we adjusted our prices to help offset the inflationary pressures on our product costs, which should lead to improving margins in the future.
Moving to slide 9.
We also announced last month that we are expanding our partnership with Collins bus to include both GM and Ford chassis, which helps us in terms of chassis supply. It also reflects our commitment to the North American school bus market, which represents about 45,000 buses per year. 10,000 of which are the smaller type A buses that we have successfully electrified.
With the $5 billion of funding announced as part of the EPA's Clean School Bus program and with our year-long partnership with Collins, we see a bright future in electric school buses.
Moving to slide 10 last month, we also announced our next generation mobile charging, which allows our customers to fast charge commercial vehicles wherever it is needed without electrical infrastructure installation permits, providing charging and temporary loss.
Providing charging in areas with limited charging infrastructure or while waiting for permitting and charging equipment to arrive.
Our mobile chargers can accommodate a variety of battery buffer and number of DCFC charger configurations with an MSRP of between $300,000 and $400,000.
Several customers are already renting an early beta unit.
Moving to slide 11. In the face of chassis supply limitations, fleets are coming to us to repower their existing ICE vehicles. Last month, we announced that some of the top tech companies in the Bay Area have asked Lightning to repower some of their employee shuttle buses, allowing them to fulfill some of their emission reduction commitment without having to purchase new shuttles.
In addition, we announced last week an offering with Bluebird to provide factory-certified repower options for their Type C school buses.
Extending our partnership beyond the step band powertrain we announced with Bluebird in May.
Moving to slide 12, let's discuss the supply chain landscape.
With our new platform partnerships and agreements, we now have much better chassis visibility for Q3 and Q4, with nearly 200 now on our lot and another 200 plus expected to arrive by the end of 2022.
Engineering work on the new GM class 4 platforms is progressing in earnest and we expect to be in production with our new GM offerings later this year and our Bluebird E-chassis powertrain and Lightning E-chassis in the 2nd half of 2023.
Our factory certified repower offerings are seeing strong customer interest, and we delivered the first class 3 and 4 repowers over the last 6 weeks.
As we stated previously, batteries, which were supply limited last year, are in much better shape due to new battery partnership agreements, and we have inventory on hand today.
The situation remains dynamic, however, as new platforms may require and or benefit from new battery configurations, both to support more range on a given platform, as well as reduce the price and improve quality and safety.
Our nickel manganese cobalt based batteries have seen a significant price increase, while our lithium iron phosphate based battery pricing has been more stable, leading us to push some of our new platform designs towards our lithium iron phosphate pack options.
Beyond chassis and battery, we continue to work to diversify our supply chain and to evaluate bringing additional component production in-house.
Long lead times remain for components such as wire harnesses, electric power steering, and thermal management parts.
Turning to slide 13, let's discuss our funding plans for the near future.
We forecast that our current cash position is sufficient to fund our operations for the next 12 months, and we've shown great discipline in our CapEx spending, proving out our CapEx-like model.
Our corporate investments thus far have generated a great return in terms of quality products, expanded production capacity, and a committed team of industry experts.
As we've stated before, we see opportunities for industry consolidation, and we intend to continue to invest in growing our team, our product portfolio, and customer base. So we expect that in the near future we will take steps that will allow us to secure additional capital over the next year to continue making further investments.
And now I'll turn it to Kash to provide an overview of the order backlog, sales pipeline, and key partnerships.
Thanks, Tim. I'll begin on slide 15 to provide an update on our products, partnerships, pipeline, and backlog.
I'm glad to report that we continue to sign new customers, receive repeat orders, and grow the sales pipeline for our core products and market verticals.
which are zero emission cargo vans, delivery trucks, passenger vans, shuttle buses, and school buses.
Our dealer network is expanding and our strategic partnerships with market-leading OEMs and specialty vehicle builders like Forest River and Collins have enabled us to engage with a wide range of customers by leveraging our partners brand reputation and extensive distribution network.
Our sales pipeline as of July 31, 2022 was approximately $1.8 billion, and backlog was around $169 million.
Our order backlog includes all electric commercial vehicles, all electric powertrain systems, and charging systems.
Our sales pipeline consists of over 600 individual sales opportunities, representing how we've been able to engage with a large number of customers through a mix of direct engagement and dealer partners.
On slide 16, we show some additional vehicle partnerships and applications. Step fans, motor homes, and Type C school bus repowers in partnership with Bluebird, Transit Bus and Motor Coach Repowers, and an electric RV in partnership with Winnebago.
We expect to see strong growth in these market segments over the next 12 to 18 months.
We also continue to explore additional vehicle partnerships and look forward to sharing those details in the near future.
Now I'd like to turn to slide 17 to discuss the forces that continue to drive the adoption of zero emission.
commercial vehicles.
government regulation and mandates, grant funding programs, and fleet sustainability targets.
California's ACT regulation, transit rule, airport shuttle rule, and a 15-state MOU on zero-emission vehicles are all delivering a very strong message to the market.
The future is electric.
Beyond the mandates, state and federal governments are now providing even more funding to accelerate the adoption of zero emission vehicles.
Programs like the Federal Transit Authority's Low or No Emission Vehicle Program and California's HVIP program are providing significantly more money this year than they ever have.
New mechanisms like the EPA's Clean School Bus Program and Canada's ZETF and IMHZEV are all helping to expedite the industry's drive towards electrification.
We've been able to leverage these programs to drive our sales pipeline. These projects are expected to join our backlog in the next 6 to 12 months due to the grant process and timelines.
In addition, the recently announced Inflation Reduction Act's medium and heavy duty EV credit, if passed, should also accelerate adoption.
Lastly, many fleets continue their march towards electrification motivated by corporate sustainability goals. We also believe that recent increases in gas prices have accelerated the interest of many corporations looking to go electric seeking lower total cost of ownership.
And with that, I'll turn it over to Teresa to provide an update on Lightning's financial results and outlook.
Thank you, Cash. I will now provide some commentary on our second quarter results, followed by our third quarter and full year outlook.
Beginning on slide 19, for the second quarter we generated revenues of $3.5 million, which decreased 40% from the year ago period. In the quarter, Lightning produced 74 vehicles and powertrains and sold 36, with some unit sales pushed out of the quarter due primarily to customer financing delays.
Cost of goods sold on the quarter was $4.9 million compared to $7 million during the prior year period, primarily due to lower revenues.
The gross margin percentage was minus 38% in the second quarter compared to minus 19% during the prior year period primarily due to higher factory overhead and depreciation expense.
Implation has been affecting our cost. Lithium and nickel raw material increases have led to higher battery costs.
Fabricated parts and electrical components have also risen in cost.
We are also experiencing elevated logistics costs with higher transportation costs and expediting fees.
We increased our prices over the last few months on new quotes and will be continually evaluating our pricing going forward based upon cost inflation and pricing that we believe will drive EV adoption.
We remain focused on driving towards a positive gross margin through higher prices, fixed cost leverage on labor and overhead, volume purchases and cost reduction, and operational efficiency as we ramp production and our revenue growth.
SG&A in the second quarter was $12.6 million compared to $16 million in the prior year period which contained about $9 million of one-time banking, legal, and audit charges associated with our becoming a public company that quarter.
Research and development expense in the second quarter was $1.8 million compared to $743,000 in the prior year period, primarily due to higher engineering headcount to advance the development of new vehicle platforms and enhance our in-house engineering capabilities.
Total operating expenses in the second quarter were $14.4 million compared to $16.8 million in the prior year period.
The operating loss for the second quarter was $15.7 million compared to $17.9 million the prior year period.
Net income for the second quarter was $35.7 million compared to a net loss of $46.1 million during the prior year period. The primary difference is non-cash gains from changes in value of derivative and earn-out liabilities compared to non-cash losses from changes in those liabilities a year ago.
The adjusted EBITDA loss for the second quarter was $13.9 million compared to an $8.4 million loss in the prior year period. The change is primarily related to higher operating expenses in the current period.
A reconciliation of net income to the adjusted EBITDA loss can be found on slide 21.
Turning to our balance sheet, Lightning ended the second quarter with $125.4 million in cash and cash equivalents, which we believe is sufficient to fund our operations for the next 12 months. Lightning,atters Zionist army agents to
Net inventory at the end of the second quarter was $25.2 million, which included $5.5 million of finished goods. The higher inventory level is in support of our second half production and includes the vehicles that were pushed out of the second quarter due primarily to customer financing delays.
Turning to slide 20, our outlook for the third quarter and the full year. While our battery supply challenges have mostly been mitigated in the near term, we continue to experience supply chain challenges with certain chassis and other components. Delays associated with any of these components may impact the timing of revenue.
Based on current business conditions, we expect for the quarter ending September 30, 2022, vehicle and powertrain system sales to be in the range of 60 to 90 units.
revenues to be in the range of $7 million to $10 million, a jestity but not a loss to be in the range of $18 million to $20 million.
And for the full year, vehicle and powertrain system sales to be in the range of 350 to 450 units.
Revenues to be in the range of $35 million to $45 million.
We project full year 2022 capital spending to be in the range of $10 to $12 million.
Now I turn it back over to Tam for closing remarks.
Thank you, Theresa.
I remain very excited about the outlook for Lightning eMotors. Our team has taken on some unprecedented supply chain challenges and has worked hard to mitigate each one, and we can now see improving results in some areas, notably chassis and battery supply, leading to an acceleration of production and revenue guidance in our third and fourth quarters.
Our industry is maturing and transforming, which is presenting us with opportunities through investments or acquisitions to achieve critical scale.
The recent increased government focus on our sector is clearly bullish, and the latest proposal in the Inflation Reduction Act targets a $40,000 tax credit to the Class 4-6 truck and bus segment where we lead the market today.
We have a clear vision, a solid near and long-term strategy with path to growth and profitability.
The Lightning team is energized, passionate, and focused moving with velocity towards a strong future.
With each day that passes, the barriers to widespread EV adoption in the commercial vehicle space are falling, and the incentives are growing.
With less than 0.1% of the commercial market having adopted zero-emission vehicles, we look forward to many years of strong growth ahead.
I would like to finish by thanking all of our customers for their confidence and lightning, our partners for their contributions to our company's success, and our shareholders for their support.
I especially want to thank our employees who are executing at a high level through a challenging operating environment.
And with that, thank you everyone, and I appreciate your time today.
Operator, we are now ready to open the line for questions.
And to our listening audience today, if you would like to ask a question over the phones, simply press star and one on your telephone keypad. Pressing star and one will place your line into a queue. Also, a friendly reminder that if you're joining us today on a speaker phone, please return to your handset prior to pressing star and one to be certain that your signal does reach our equipment. Once again, that is star and one if you have a question. We'll hear first today from Mike Schliske at DA-Davidson. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon and thank you. I wanted to touch first on your comments about looking at raising capital going forward. I guess two-part question. One, do you see anything in the inflation and reduction act, assuming that it gets passed and signed, that might be of assistance to lightning? I don't mean the actual substance of the vehicles, but just sort of funding for – Your point goes to Mr.
for new production capacity. That's the first part. The other part of the question is, you know,
If you have no acquisitions that get made and there are no major investments that have to be made going forward, do you have a different capital need? Is there any capital need at all without any large projects you need to invest in from there?
So I'll start, Mike, with the first question, which I think is very interesting. We, as probably many of our shareholders, and you have been pouring over the Inflation Production Act with a lot of verbiage. I've read it twice and will admit there's still more to go. So what we see today, yes, it looks like both with some of the leveraging some of the programs that we've seen in place for a long time with DOE loan programs, there may very well be opportunity. And so we'll certainly continue to look at that and continue to look at opportunities.
So to your point, there may be less traditional approaches to ensuring we continue to remain capitalized than others. On the second approach, I think the answer is we're constantly evaluating this in terms of, we know we have big growth plans, the requirements around working capital, we continue to look, and as you can imagine, those evolve. As we continue to grow, we get more leverage, in some cases, on AR and AP. In other cases, with inventory, as we've all seen.
It is very difficult. I think I read one analyst say a couple weeks ago that anybody who successfully synchronizes their inventory just got lucky. So I think we all have to recognize that there are some of these things we just did, you know, we'll continue to evaluate on almost a daily basis in terms of what we need moving forward. But we do expect given our very aggressive growth plans that at some point we will need more capital.
I also wanted to ask about some of the customer financing delays that happened during the quarter. I was looking for a little more color on that topic. Is it that the customer could not get any of their subsidy efforts straight in the quarter or just straight up the bank that didn't deliver the check in time?
situation. In these specific cases it was the latter. These were not subsidy delays. We've had those in the past but these particular ones were not that. I do think some of the subsidy things are getting better but broadly when you look at what's happened with interest rates you can imagine many customers have needed more time to shop out their interest rates and to find good deals and obviously in general some financing has become more complicated and harder to find in some cases.
The combination of both the complexity of the capital markets right now and the debt markets as well as the inflation or interest rate increases has increased the time it takes. And so a couple of these customers underestimated how much time they needed to get the paperwork signed. As we indicated, some of that has now been solved and some of those customers we've now billed and shipped. So we certainly see some improvement, but I think we are in a very changing world in terms of...
of customer financing right now. Okay, the last one for me, one topic I've been hearing about recently on some of these calls this quarter is about customer uptime.
Can you share for us the trucks you've got on the road today? How has the uptime been compared to your expectations or your promises to customers, or even compared to customer expectations, or even better, the uptime compared to the ice vehicles that these trucks are replacing?
It's an interesting question and something we are spending a lot of time. It's 1 of the great parts we announced today are our telematics, our new lightning insights and this is the next generation of that software product. And we track these vehicles every 2nd. So, we know not only are they in route? What are they doing? We know where they are. We also know if we see anything, predictably on the support or maintenance side, and we see how they're being used. We see how they're being driven. We know the environments they're being driven.
four or five depending on some of the changes. And with each generation, we see significant improvements in reliability. And so that's put us in a position today where some of our more mature products we see better than 95% uptime. One of the complexities in commercial vehicles is there is no standard today on how uptime is measured. So when we compare it to an ICE vehicle or to some of our commercial customers, we often ask them how do they measure uptime? Because for example, do they include an uptime or downtime when they're doing it?
Okay, well thanks for that call, Tim. I really appreciate it. Thanks for the call.
Our next question will come from Sharif El-Savaihi at Bank of America. Your line is open.
Hi, good afternoon.
I just wanted to at first get a little bit more color on the guide. I'm assuming your Q3 guide, does that include the units that were pushed out from Q2 and if so should we expect a decline in units sold in Q3 or any lasting effect from financing?
It's a good question, Sharif, and I'd say, you know, we're still evaluating that by the day. We are part of it is obviously working with some of the customers to try to accelerate now that we understand. And I think, you know, markedly, we've gone through this transition where financing has taken is taking longer now than it was previously. So we've started getting in front of that much more now that we understand that, you know, the new timelines and starting to assist our customers more. So we do think we can certainly improve.
assuming that all of them complete their financing requirements, get shipped in Q3. So what we are indicating at this point is we expect them all to be shipped in either Q3 or Q4.
Understood. And then just looking at the backlog, you know, it was growing until about the third quarter of last year. And then it's essentially been flat over the last three quarters.
So if you could could you give me a bit of detail there are you seeing Translations offset new orders or I have you slowed intake and you know given the large sales pipeline That's that's been in front of you guys. How has that remained flat for so long?
Yeah, hey, Shariff, that's a good question, something we track every month, really. It's a mix of both those things you mentioned. Sales cycles are long, and we are getting fairly close to some really exciting deals over the next few months, couple of quarters you'll hear about. So backlog will jump up and down. In previous quarters, we've had a mix of both cancellations and new orders. So it's not that we haven't received new orders for three quarters. Of course not.approved orders and sha—
backlog to revenue. I'm more focused on continuing to sign new customers, keeping the good customers we have, and right now backlog is not holding us back. We have a lot of demand pent up that is high quality demand. Customers want the vehicles now and it's a matter of us executing on those new engineering programs, getting the right materials to deliver the product.
I'll add to that a bit, Sharif, because I think it's an important aspect and that is when you look at many of these subsidy programs, often they have timelines that are way out there. So for example, the school bus EPA subsidy program, the next time our customers who've been wanting to take advantage of that will receive notice that they receive the money is October . So although we've done the sales work over the last year to get those customers teed up.
and in many cases, no, we are expecting them to place an order, we won't get those purchase orders until they receive notification from the EPA in October . So there is a reasonable amount of our backlog that gets delayed or pent up because of while people wait to hear on the grant cycles. So there's several of those significant grant cycles that are coming up in Q3 or Q4, so as Cash mentioned in his dialogue, we do expect some of those to see an impact on our backlog going forward.
Thank you. I'll pass it along.
Next we'll hear from Colin Rush at Oppenheimer. Please go ahead sir.
Thanks so much guys. As you move forward, I know you guys continue to look at operational efficiency, but I'm curious how much you're able to get out of the manufacturing facility as you continue to improve processes.
It's a good question, Colin, and I think what you're asking is, is there more efficiency to squeeze out of the manufacturing plant moving forward? Am I understanding the question correctly? Correct. Yeah. And it seems like you probably already make some progress on that already in terms of driving some of the cost efficiencies separate from supply chain.
Yeah, I think one of the things that when people come see us, and it's been a little bit since we've had you out, so anxious to have you back out as well, but in the very recent many of the things we started on a year ago, so we talk a little bit in our press release about things like co-bots and additional automation equipment we've added to the floor, those take a little bit for those to show up in cost of goods sold and thus gross margin. So we've done a lot of those, but in terms of when...
as we do more, we get better at it, quite frankly. And everybody in the EV space, whether you're talking about us or some of the very large OEMs, are still in the early stage of this. So certainly everybody has opportunity to get better and we see it. We're far enough in, we've gotten some real impact from it already, but some of that, most of that doesn't show up yet in cost of goods sold and thus gross margin for probably the next quarter or two. Theresa, anything you'd add to that? Yeah, Colin, I think one of the other things to think about, too, is...
as we can get volume in the factory will really help our labor efficiency. One of the things that, you know, the impacts that we see from supply chain, it's not just we don't have the parts, but we have to substitute a part, which means we have to get engineering involved, and it's very disruptive to the production floor. We have parts that come in, but they come in late. So that, you know, in terms of trying to run, you know, and level load our factories, level load them, and then scale and grow them.
We have not been able to do that because of a lot of supply chain issues. So as we look to the second half here, one of the things that we want to start looking at is, with the chassis and some of the inventory that we have, is really start to see some benefits if we can better level load the factory and get some steady volume going through. As we do that, I think we're going to get a lot of labor efficiency and labor costs coming out.
some of those other products that are not coming to market on time or in the way that folks had expected.
Yeah, it's a very good question, Colin, because it's been one of the disruptors that has stalled us in the past in the sense that many people go out and claim they're going to have a product and so potential customers during the course of the sales cycle need to investigate all the potential options. And often these vaporware products will promise features or benefits or prices that then make people take a pause on our products and so the sales cycle ends up getting elongated while these customers investigate what I call vaporware.
and we're able to deliver. And there's countless examples of this that we've seen, but it has certainly elongated our sales cycle while customers go through this process of figuring out what's real and what's not. But as we continue to ship more vehicles, and as many of these competitors continue not to ship, and some of this is important, even some of the big OEMs have made promises about what their products will do or be or cost that are now starting to turn out to be maybe exaggerated or understated.
And next we'll take a follow-up coming from the line of Mike Schliske. Please go ahead, your line is open once more, sir.
Hello, Mr. Schliske, are you there with us? You may have us on mute, sir.
Yes, of course, that's just like me to do that. Thank you very much. Sorry about that. I appreciate you. You're taking my follow up question. I wanted to ask about the. The 5Billiondollar school bus subsidy program that's out there. I always thought I even think that column plus things that. That that type a.
school bus is not
the major area where we'll be seeing the subsidies go, but it is type C, that's the bigger ones that might be more important. And I kind of wonder if you're envisioning seeing more customer activity in the Bluebird repower than in the Collins bus business at the current time.
That's a great question. So even taking EVs out, if you look at just gasoline and diesel school buses, Type A buses are 20% of the market.
and type C buses are more like two-thirds, 67% of the market. So just while I'm looking at those facts, I would agree that more money will fund new type C electric buses than type A. I do think that when it comes to EVs, the split is not 2067, it's more skewed towards A because smaller buses are more likely to run shorter routes, return to depot operations, they're naturally a better fit for electric.
But no doubt, Colin, we will see a lot more traction for Type C and Type D buses than Type A, but Type A is going to get enough love.
20% is big enough for us to get excited.
Okay, and then I just wanted to compare the RePower, the Lightning chassis, and the Bluebird chassis. Those three are the different sizes of different products in general, but when you get the volumes going on those, is there enough commonality in the parts bin on those?
to provide for some appreciable scale once all three are kind of humming.
Yes, and I think it's important to think that the base product, which is the powertrain, the way we make those powertrains, the software, for example, we share DC fast charging components with all of them. We share all our level 2 componentry with all of them. We share batteries of one sort or another across all those products, which means brackets and things like that share. All of those sort of components are shared. Obviously in many cases...
of that is common across those platforms. So yes, we have quite a bit of shared and where they aren't shared there is common whether you look at a sharing across applications or sharing across size. So for example in our case our school bus product on a GM platform shares a significant about over 90% of the power train is the same to a power train on a shuttle bus. So you've got some in very similar again to the powertrain on a class
And our next question this afternoon will come from James Vallen at Carner Blue Capital.
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I was just hoping you would be able to provide some maybe an update on the REpower business. How has your customer reception been? Maybe particularly with Forest River, I guess Bluebird might be a little too early. And kind of what would be the timetable when we would see that hit the income statement? Thank you.
Yeah, so we have already seen some, so our 1st initial I mentioned in my dialogue, we've shipped our 1st repower to some big brand Silicon Valley employee shuttle opportunities as those groups have kind of come out early recognizing that the sustainability proposition around a repower is very compelling. And the advantage of not having to buy a new vehicle certainly carries to both the bottom line as well as sustainability proposition. So.
We have seen an uptake in that. We've also seen a lot of interest from a pipeline standpoint. But as a company, we also look and say, where is the bigger opportunity? And certainly we've come out with our products of re-power for our motor coaches and transit buses. And in some of those cases, there's a lot higher average sales price and those vehicles tend to be on the road a lot more. So we still think we're in the very early stages with our customers of everybody understanding where re-powers are.
The other thing is I think we're in the early stages of customers accepting the current chassis limitations as far as new chassis and so many customers that hung out for a while thinking it was going to end in three months or six months and had waited to look at repower and now they're kind of coming to terms with the fact that they can't wait anymore and they're gonna have to look at it. So we remain bullish broadly on repower and our ability to do it but we're also practical about kind of where we think the uptake is going to be and and the fact that yes as Cash said the sales cycles and
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