Q2 2022 Express Inc Earnings Call
Good morning, My name is Chris and I'll be your conference operator today.
At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the express second quarter 2022 earnings Conference call.
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Thank you, Chris Good morning, and welcome to our call I'd like to open by reminding you of the company's Safe Harbor provisions.
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With me today are Tim Baxter, Chief Executive Officer, Matt Moellering, President and Chief operating Officer, and Jason Jud, Chief Financial Officer, I will now turn the call over to Tim.
Thank you, Greg and good morning, everyone.
In Q2, we delivered our fifth consecutive quarter of positive comparable sales compared to pre pandemic levels and generated positive operating income and operating cash flow.
We drove comparable sales of plus 1% compared to 2021 and plus 4% versus 2019.
We delivered gross margin expansion of 50 basis points compared to 2021, and 630 basis points versus 2019.
We generated EBITDA of $26 million.
We delivered these results despite difficult macroeconomic conditions that worsened as the quarter progressed and this dynamic caused us to Miss our revenue outlook, even so our results in the first six months of the year were solid.
Comparable sales were plus 14% gross margin expanded 270 basis points average unit retail increased 13% and we delivered EBITDA of $31 million an increase of 350%.
I expect the environment to remain uncertain.
But we will continue to focus on the fundamentals control the controllable and deliver on our long term commitment of a mid single digit operating margin.
Even in this challenging environment, we continued to experience momentum across much of our business. We had very strong results in mens and posted growth in every major category.
Modern tailoring and men's and women's continued its resurgence or.
Our average unit retail increased 7% constant.
Comps in our retail channel were flat and our outlet channel was up 2%.
As I mentioned macroeconomic conditions worsened as the quarter progressed and caused us to experience a slowdown beginning in mid June that continued into early August .
However, we have seen some improvement in each of the past few weeks.
We saw a bifurcation in customer behavior that affected our men's and women's businesses differently with the women's customer becoming much more value conscious.
Also negatively impacted our ecommerce business as women's accounts for a high percentage of our digital sales.
We continue to advance each one of the four foundational pillars of our expressway forward strategy.
Product brand customer and execution.
Let me take you through some of the results we've achieved to date and what is still to come.
I'll start with product.
We offer a modern versatile high quality fashion at incredible value and we continue to gain market share in some of the most significant volume driving categories.
We are winning in mens.
We saw strength in comp growth in men's across all categories.
Generated higher and more profitable sales drove a 12% increase in average unit retails and grew our customer file.
The customer continued to respond to the fashion quality and value in our Assortments and as I referenced earlier was less price sensitive than what we saw in womens.
Modern tailoring continued its resurgence in men's suits were up double digits.
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And thanks to a combination of comfort and versatility were up significantly.
Our women's business was more challenged as the customer's mindset became much more value oriented we were not as promotional as many of our competitors, which likely impacted our results.
Within women's our momentum in modern tailoring continued with both jackets and skirts up double digits.
We have several compelling womens product launches coming in September , including the redesign and reintroduction of two of our most iconic styles. The editor pant and the portofino shirt as we continue to advance our product pillar.
Our second pillar is brand.
We create confidence we inspire self expression and we do it by editing the best of now for real life versatility.
Building activating and amplifying the express styling community is one of our key priorities. This year because it is one of the most unique and dynamic ways. Our brand purpose comes to life.
Many members of our community engaged with us and we see each other online.
Nearly 50% of the product pages on our website have content created and posted by members of our styling community driving conversion at least twice as high as other pages.
We had 1000 style editors and our community Commerce program this quarter hosting events sharing content and appearing in our marketing campaigns.
Our lead style editor Rachel Zoe hosted a live event that generated an estimated 16 million impressions across social media paid media and PR.
Our second quarter brand campaign destination Express generated 350 million impressions across all digital platforms, including nearly $50 million organic video views, a 23% increase over last quarter and Google organic brand demand was up for the fifth consecutive quarter.
Our third pillar is customer.
Loyalty program members are our best customers, making over two more visits and spending over twice as much per year is non loyalty customers.
Since its relaunch in Q1 of last year. Our loyalty program has brought in 4 million, new customers and reactivated $3 2 million lapsed customers.
We continued to operate with the highest number of active loyalty program members in our company's history.
Our fourth pillar is execution.
You've heard me describe execution is the through line across all our product brand and customer strategies and the ultimate test of the effectiveness of our operating model systems and processes.
We have successfully rebuilt the foundation of express success.
Successfully re imagined our product and successfully reinvigorated our brand.
All of which contributed to our solid results over the past five quarters.
We refined and optimized our go to market process.
Advanced our multichannel capabilities.
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Our team has been agile and disciplined and continued to respond to the volatility and unpredictability of the macroeconomic and retail environments with smart thoughtful solutions.
We carefully and efficiently navigated numerous ongoing supply chain challenges.
And while our inventory remains elevated which is a recurring theme across the industry. This quarter hours actually stepped down in line with our expectations and we expect it will move even closer to parity with our sales as the year progresses, while remaining well positioned on newness.
Now, let me provide an update on our performance in each channel starting with E Commerce.
As many in our industry have reported our ecommerce business also slowed as the quarter progressed how.
However, we remain committed to achieving our long term goal of $1 billion in E Commerce demand.
To enable that we continue to introduce new features and enhancements to our e-commerce experience that will drive higher conversion and average order value.
We improved buy online pick up in store functionality, so customers could more easily shop, our full inventory and in the coming months, we will enhance personalization and checkout.
We will offer even more content across all of our digital platforms and keep advancing our multi channel execution.
Okay.
Our mobile App continues to be the fastest growing component of our digital business. We now have $2 7 million mobile app users an increase of 31%.
These highly engaged customers make five more visits and spend over $300 more each year than customers, who only shop through our website or in one of our stores.
Our retail stores achieved solid results posting a 6% comp in the quarter the highest comp among our channels and drove a 7% increase in average unit retail.
We completed our fleet rationalization work and closed nearly 100 stores over the past several years.
And our fleet optimization strategy to advance and diversify our store portfolio through renovations and new formats is in motion.
The majority.
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And there is tremendous value to the in real life experience. So we continue to make investments here we.
I have an important pilot program running in approximately 25 stores, where we are testing and learning our way into a re imagined customer experience.
These stores are outperforming the rest of our fleet with higher sales higher loyalty program sign ups increased customer engagement and overall improvements to the customer experience.
They are also strengthening the attraction development and retention of talent.
In September we will expand this program to a total of 70 retail stores, which will create an elevated customer experience and some of the most important stores in our fleet.
For the remainder of our retail stores, we will continue to improve the customer experience by taking what we've learned from the pilot and quickly applying to most effective parts of the program.
Our stores are where our styling community comes together and where our brand purpose comes to life.
We held 260 events in stores in the second quarter than many were live stream to bring our style editors store associates and customers together in a real time virtual format.
These events garnered 1 million views across our social platforms.
The combined effect of our growing community our events and the changes we have made to upgrade the store environment and re imagine the customer experience is creating differentiation for express and contributed to our stores comp growth in the quarter.
We will continue to renovate our stores to align both environment and experience with our brand purpose and create a consistent visual identity across our fleet. We've already updated 35, and we will update a total of 70% before the end of this year.
We will also continue to diversify our store portfolio through format and location.
Our express edit stores have proven to be a powerful way to reach new customers and advance our brand.
They acquire new customers reactivate lapsed customers and sign up express insiders at higher rates than the balance of our fleet and boost digital sales and surrounding Zip codes.
We plan to open six more of these stores in the next 90 days in Soho and flat iron in Manhattan on Newbury Street in Boston in Brickell, and South Beach in Miami, and near Rittenhouse Square in Philadelphia.
These are all high visibility locations in the most appealing shopping areas and these stores will reflect the best of what we are learning in our pilot stores.
Our outlet channel delivered record revenue in the second quarter and a positive 2% comp.
In this inflationary environment, where even more customers are price sensitive our product continues to resonate on fashion versatility quality and value.
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Our up West brand delivered another strong quarter with sales growth of 46%.
<unk> West launched as a digital brand with a clear purpose around comfort for people and planet that is meaningful and compelling for today's conscious consumer.
While our digital sales continue to accelerate we are also expanding our brick and mortar footprint.
We opened four stores in the quarter, bringing the total to 14.
Up west has leveraged wholesale partnerships to build awareness and exposure.
We will expand this strategy with the holiday launch at a large national retailer and introduce a collection of blankets co designed with their team that will be available for sale on their web site and in all of their stores.
Turning to our philanthropic activities.
We continue to deepen the partnership between our Dream Big Project and Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.
We surpassed our $1 million donation goal by $200000 and awarded our first Chesley crest Fellowship.
Each of our initiatives with Big Brothers Big Sisters is aligned with our brand purpose to create confidence and inspire self expression and we are especially proud to help do this for young people.
Now, let me turn the call over to Jason who will take you through the detail of our second quarter results and our outlook for the back half of the year.
Yes.
Thank you Tim and good morning, everyone. As you just heard from Tim we delivered our fifth consecutive quarter of positive comparable sales compared to pre pandemic levels and generated positive operating income and operating cash flow.
Despite difficult macroeconomic conditions that became even more challenging as the quarter progressed. We achieved these results. Thanks to a great strategy and compelling brand, let me review our results compared to our second quarter outlook.
We expected a comparable sales increase of mid single digits, we delivered a positive 1% comp we.
We expect our gross margin rate to increase approximately 100 basis points, we drove expansion of 50 basis points.
We expected SG&A expenses as a percent of sales to Delever, approximately 100 basis points, we actualized at 140 basis points.
We expect our inventory to remain elevated in the second quarter, our inventory was up 30%, which was a meaningful improvement from the 40% increase in Q1.
I'll walk through each item in more detail.
Net sales were $465 million, an increase of 2% and consolidated comparable sales were up 1% compared to 2021.
Total retail channel comps were flat and outlet comps were up 2% consolidated comparable sales increased 4% compared to 2019.
As Tim previously mentioned, we experienced a slowdown in mid June that continued throughout the second quarter, primarily affecting our womens and ecommerce businesses.
We generated gross profit of $154 million with a gross margin rate of 33, 1% an expansion of 50 basis points.
Merchandise margin contracted by 70 basis points, but was beneficially offset by buying and occupancy expenses, which leveraged 120 basis points driven by overall sales growth the lower compensation and occupancy related expenses.
Gross margin expanded 630 basis points compared to 2019.
SG&A expenses were $143 million and de Levered by 140 basis points.
While this was 40 basis points more deleverage than our outlook due to the lower comp SG&A expenses in total were well controlled and came in $5 million below our outlook.
Our results in the first six months of the year were solid comparable sales were positive 14% gross margin expanded 270 basis points average unit retail increased 13% and we delivered EBITDA of $31 million.
Our inventory was up 30% compared to last year, reflecting a 15% increase in unit investment and a significant improvement versus the 40% increase in Q1, we.
We discussed the drivers of the increase last quarter, let me summarize them again here.
First we have taken strategic actions to mitigate supply chain challenges and ensure that our inventory arrives on time.
There were underlying cost increases due to our investments and improved product quality, a distortion to higher priced categories and of course the impact of inflation.
We have maintained our margins through our realized average unit retail.
Third we made the strategic decision to hold late arriving holiday 2021 product and we expected to sell through at appropriate prices in our outlet channel. This fall.
We will keep taking action to ensure that we are well positioned on both the newness and composition of our inventory and I expect our inventory levels will continue to move closer to parity with sales growth in the back half of the year.
Turning to our other results our operating income was $10 million and our diluted earnings per share were <unk> with.
We drove operating cash flow of $15 million.
Our balance sheet at the end of the second quarter reflects the $52 million Cares Act receivables, we had mentioned before and expect to receive in 2023.
Our borrowings at the end of the quarter were $204 million of which $110 million was drawn against our existing asset backed loan facility and the remaining $94 million was drawn on our term loans.
To determine our outlook, we considered a year to date performance as well as the numerous advancements we've made in each of our four foundational pillars product brand customer and execution and balance those factors against the increasingly challenging macroeconomic and retail apparel environment the ongoing.
The uncertainty of the global supply chain and geopolitical events and the possibility of other unforeseen headwinds that could impact our business.
Our revised outlook includes expectations for the third quarter and the full year, let me start with Q3.
Compared to the third quarter of 2021, we expect the following.
Comparable sales to decrease mid single digits.
Gross margin rate to decrease approximately 350 basis points and SG&A expenses as a percent of sales to delever, approximately 350 basis points, including incremental investments in technology and higher store labor expenses.
Compared to the full year of 2021, we expect the following comparable.
Comparable sales to increase mid single digits.
Gross margin rate to increase approximately 100 basis points.
SG&A expenses as a percent of sales to delever, approximately a 100 basis points.
On positive operating income diluted loss per share of 16 to 22.
Capital expenditures of approximately $50 million and inventory to move closer to parity with sales growth in the back half of the year.
Even in the midst of all of the aforementioned market uncertainties and in light of our revised guidance. It is important to highlight the long term value creation opportunity of this company the.
The expressway forward strategy is grounded in retail fundamentals. This strategy is working and because of this strategy. The current market dislocation will not deter us from our goals we.
We have transformed over the past three years and continue continue to successfully navigate through challenging and unpredictable times. For example, we are controlling our inventory in an efficient and comparatively cost effective manner to ensure we are well positioned on both the newness and composition of product that resonates with our customers.
Over the coming quarters as we set our sights on a mid single digit operating margin by 2024, we will continue to improve our women's business while building upon the strength, we're seeing in methods to manage our expenses with both diligence and agility, while investing where we see opportunities for growth, we will refine our capital.
Allocation discipline to optimally balance, our net cash and debt positions, allowing agility for investment while also providing expanded comfort with our debt exposure levels I expect the combination of all of this to unlock greater shareholder value and I look forward to updating you on our progress now back to Tim. Thank you.
Jason.
Despite a challenging macroeconomic environment in retail apparel backdrop. The work we've done across the four foundational pillars of our corporate strategy is evident and we have made meaningful progress and increased our market share in some of the most significant volume driving categories.
Our product is resonating or.
Our brand is relevant our brand purpose is compelling.
Connections, we have forged with our customers are meaningful.
And it all comes together in our stores and online through the power of our styling community.
Our organization has successfully navigated a large scale transformation over the last three years in unprecedented and highly uncertain times <unk>.
Despite considerable headwinds we have delivered five consecutive quarters of growth and made meaningful advancements by operating with focus discipline and agility.
The expressway forward strategy is working and we remain committed to achieving our stated objective of a mid single digit operating margin by 2024 and long term profitable growth.
Thank you for your interest in our company and we will now take your questions.
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First question is from Eric better with S. Cc Research your line is open.
Good morning, Thank you for all the information there.
Good morning, Eric.
Okay.
So I've got a few questions here, so let's summarize the promotional.
<unk> you mentioned that you were not as aggressively discounting in womens.
There's a lot of your competitors did when you look going forward. How do you feel is going to be the promotional environment.
And how do you plan on either countering that or.
Spawn intuitive.
Thank you Eric This is Jason I hope you're doing well.
When we look at the promotional cadence, we really think as you know we start with our customer and where she is at what she is looking for.
And she is exceedingly excited about our product.
As we've discussed in the past product first that we're very excited about what she's been seeing over the past couple of months and even more enthusiastic about what's coming at the same time, there's a value mindset that has shifted really and unveiled in late June accelerated in July and August were still seeing a bit of that value mindset now and so.
Weaving in more promotional excitement around our new product.
With the opportunity to we've been a little bit of the redline product that we have as well. So this is a well balanced assortment that she can choose from.
It seems to be gaining a lot of traction and theres a lot of enthusiasm there. So that's what we see in the coming in the coming weeks.
I think we will continue Eric.
Closely monitor the competitive environment.
As Jason just noted and I noted got much more aggressive in the back half of the second quarter.
But we are going we have made so much progress on eliminating deep site wide in store wide promotions and we're not going back there we will continue to be very targeted in our promotions.
Particularly on our new product and very strategic in our promotions on our new product, while using our clearance to really drive our value message.
And so I think that's what you'll be seeing from us.
In the third quarter.
Great and then if you look at.
So, let's talk a little bit of product you kind of gone back to the future here with the editor Pant the portofino shirt.
What are kind of the strategies, we're going to see in fall and holiday in terms of product here.
Well I think we have we.
We have great product launches coming in women's as I mentioned, the reintroduction of the editor Pant, which actually happened. This week has been wildly successful.
The reintroduction of the Portofino shirt is coming next week and we anticipate that that will also be wildly successful and so from a product perspective, we will continue to build core categories and core businesses that can drive significant volume.
At higher profit levels, we have many of those categories well positioned and in men's as you know.
We are rebuilding those categories and franchises in women's in addition to continuing to deliver on.
Our fashion promise, we are trend in fashion retailer and so we'll balance those those key core programs.
With the right fashion at the right time so.
Im very optimistic about where we are heading over the next few months from a product perspective.
And believe we will continue to gain market share in in categories that we've long been known for.
Tailoring in particular.
But also continued to gain market share and really important categories like denim.
Well on the women's side, we're also.
On the women's side, we were also up double digits as Tim mentioned on jackets and skirts, we frankly could have used more inventory there and we have a lot more coming in for the fall season, which should give us a tailwind as well in those pieces.
And I noticed that with.
Body contour, you've continued to expand the product.
These are very.
Significant positives for what should be thinking about body contour going forward.
Body contour.
Yes body contour continues to be a good.
Great New franchise for us that was introduced last year and continues to be.
Customer favorite we have exciting new launches coming in body contour, perhaps the most exciting as faux leather body contour, which also launches in September which.
We're really excited about and we really I believe the customers the body contour customer is going to respond extraordinarily well to that so that is a new franchise that.
Has been very powerful for the past year that we will continue to drive with newness. In addition to the core product.
When you mentioned that August started to see in the back half of last few weeks a bit of a bounce back.
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What should we be thinking about that going forward I know thats kind of at the end of the season the start of fall.
Yes.
How should we be thinking about that.
Look I think we have as I said, we have seen improvements in each of the last few weeks, but our outlook.
Is where I would direct you. We are we are approaching this macroeconomic environment appropriately from my perspective, and our outlook takes all of that into consideration.
Okay.
Just one or two quick gross margin.
It went up comps where he was hired.
Little bit less than you expected, but the comps direction and materially less than you expected.
Where is that is that a function of pricing how should we be thinking about that.
Sure.
So with regard to gross margin.
It is.
Two pronged story as you referenced there is the underlying.
Product margin on our pricing versus cost, where we did see about 70 basis points of contraction versus last year and then there is the buying and occupancy expenses, where we saw 120 basis points of leverage.
<unk> occupancy really driven by the 2% sales growth over <unk> and the work done in real estate optimization over the past number of years, where we're able to leverage on low single digit even to flat sales on the product margin, we're still getting great traction on our AUR.
The underlying cost of the product has grown which leads to the margin contraction, but overall margins were able to expand by 50 basis points.
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Of sales.
Softness versus the outlook.
If that had just been a little moderated we would have seen even more gross margin expansion on our strong control of expenses and on the traction with the AUR.
Okay.
Inventories could you remind us once again.
Level is the once you've packed away for the holiday.
What are you seeing in terms of cost shifting and other pieces of inventories as well going forward here.
Sure.
So the pack and hold that we've been discussing was from holiday 2021 for use in this coming fall in our outlook.
In our outlet stores. The total there was about $10 million to $15 million of inventory at cost.
And are very excited about what it can do this this fall within our outlet channel the underlying supply chain cost that we've been seeing we have about $5 million of incremental supply chain costs over last year that we're seeing in the back half of this year.
<unk> had that though.
Mostly planned for moderately planned for within our numbers in all of the guidance that we've shared over the past couple of quarters. So the inflation or the challenges that are being experienced.
Had baked in and we've been planning for for a number of quarters now.
Hey, guys.
Good luck in the back half.
We're seeing this time online.
With new stores.
Thank you Eric.
Again that is star one if you'd like to ask a question. The next question is from Marni Shapiro with retail tracker. Your line is open.
Hey, guys. Thanks for all the detail on everything.
I wanted to good morning.
Morning, I wanted to just touch base on a couple of things here. The first is I think you said that August had improved.
A little bit and I'm curious if you thought this was macro as people were thinking about heading back to the office or if this was something that uhm.
Our own stores to drive the sales.
I think it's actually a combination of both marnie.
Hi.
It's difficult to decouple a lot of these things, but I would say, it's a combination of both things we have seen as I said improvement in each of the last few weeks and I do think that we are certainly seeing as women in particular have gotten.
Kids back to school. They are now shifting into that mindset of going back to work. We also are.
Seeing and hearing about many companies who are actually going back to work at.
At least part time, some full time in the office following labor day. So I think we're beginning to see that I also think that as Matt mentioned earlier.
While modern tailoring was great for us in women's in the second quarter, we didn't actually have enough of it.
So as we've moved into August and certainly as we move into September our inventory in those key categories also grows and so I think that's also been a part of that improvement that we've seen and like I said, the relaunch of the editor, which we're excited about and the portofino coming.
Actually I just wanted to stick on that trend a couple of things stuck out to me I think the outlet business seems pretty good you talked about a trade down on value I'm, assuming that goes hand in hand into this go into the outlet, but im curious even the in the full line stores and the outlet.
See more value conscious about the fashion and less so about the tailoring and wear to work was there a difference between the trends within those segments.
Yes, yes actually.
We continue to drive much higher average unit retails and modern tailoring and in those categories that we are really well known for and fashion seems to be where she became much more value conscious.
Sure.
We obviously saw strength in our outlet channel which points to.
The more value conscious consumer.
And.
Obviously as as the competitive environment around us.
Got much more aggressive pricing perspective, I do think that impacted our.
Our sales in the in the fashion product.
And then I guess also along those lines you had.
And then just.
And then Stanley stellar first quarter and even the set since the early second quarter.
As you heard as you came through the second quarter, which is typically in the mine and suite license sale period end of summer.
Are you finding that with new product coming in just coming back to the fashion I feel a little bit like your customer's always saves what's newest and Denver.
<unk>, it's a period of time that has the most product.
Absolutely absolutely and when you pair that with the fact that we were not as aggressive on sale as many of our competitors I think that you you nailed it marni.
Yeah and.
Finding that she she and he are both responding to the newness.
In August , which as I said I believe has contributed to that improvement that we've seen over the past few weeks.
And certainly as we move into fall and into September , which as you know.
Becomes a much more fashion driven months.
I expect that we will see continued.
Continued improvement.
That's fantastic and then just one last on the Portofino.
So on the editor pant with the relaunch.
Are we.
Please tell me, we're not going back to like the piles and lacks of Macquarie.
Yes.
Yes, Brian .
Yeah.
We are here to help people lose weight.
You are not going to see walls of portofino.
Absolutely not.
Yes.
But what you will see is different iterations much more modern iterations of the portofino.
And we are in a short cycle.
Which.
Which.
It means the portofino is more relevant than ever but you are not going to see walls and walls and walls. Following the same exact portofino in 14 colors 14 prints that is not happening.
I could but I.
I think youll be I think youll be excited about the much much more modern approach that we're taking to that iconic style.
Fantastic and then last question are you anticipating AUR growth in the back half of the year.
We are we are anticipating AUR growth in the back half of the year, while while we are anticipating to Tim's point more targeted promotions than maybe we had in Q2, we definitely still expect AUR to expand in the back half of this year, especially on the.
A new and highly relevant product that Tim just referenced.
We will use our clearance as I said, we will use our clearance to drive our value message.
The.
<unk> of our clearance is far better than it's been in the past as we've made so much improvement to the product. So we will use clearance to drive the value message and just be much more targeted in our approach on promotions in regular price product.
Once the Aes remind me was AUC up in the back half or will it be up in the back half of the year as well and you will still drive the margin.
Yes, yes.
Okay Fantastic that's great I'll take the rest offline. Thanks, so much guys. Good luck with that great. Thanks Marni.
There are no further questions at this time, Mr. Baxter I will turn the call over to you for any closing remarks.
Thank you for joining us this morning have a good day everyone.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating you may now disconnect.
Okay.
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