Q3 2022 NOW Inc Earnings Call

November 2, 2022

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Good morning, My name is Sam and I will be your conference operator today.

At this time I'd like to welcome everyone to the distribution now third quarter 2022 earnings conference call.

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Mr. Brad Wise, Vice President of digital strategy and Investor Relations you May begin your conference.

Well good morning, Thank you Sam and good morning, everyone and welcome to now Inc's third quarter 2022 earnings Conference call. We appreciate you joining us and thank you for your interest in now Inc.

With me today is David <unk>, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mark Johnson, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

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As of this morning, the Investor Relations section of our website contains a presentation covering our results and key takeaways for the third quarter.

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We plan to file our third quarter 2022 Form 10-Q today and it will.

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Now, let me turn the call over to Dave.

Thanks, Brad Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us.

Third quarter of 2022 represents the culmination of three years of planning and preparation patience and performance by the people of Dino.

The people, who inspire one another to win the market with a disciplined focus on delighting the customer.

The D. Now of today is not about being everything to everyone. That's costly unfocused and you'd diminish and dilute everything you do.

We're about finding where the solutions and the strengths, we cultivate intersect with where the customer finds value.

I'm amazed by the achievements, we produced in the third quarter and for what we will deliver for the full year of 2022, but I'm not surprised.

As we today have a strong focus on discipline and by holding each other accountable to produce results otherwise unobtainable.

Thank you to the women and men of Dean out for your intelligence and experience your loyalty innovations and attitude around having fun, winning and positively impacting our customers and communities.

This quarter, we delivered strong performance across our key metrics, including free cash flow generation revenue growth EBITDA margin expansion and capital returned to shareholders.

I am pleased with this continued execution as we further expanded gross margins and EBITDA margins to new levels.

Revenues in the third quarter of 2022 improved 7% sequentially, beating our guide and we're 31% higher when compared to the same quarter in the prior year.

Our gross margins were 24, 1%, a 40 basis point sequential improvement supported by lower inventory charges healthy project product margins aided by continued inflationary tailwind coupled with our high grading strategy that focuses on applying our resources where the <unk>.

Customers see value.

Warehousing selling and administrative expense, our WSJ increased as expected in the quarter, ensuring our customers.

Engage with the best professionals in the business and while expanding head count to maintain our excellence in customer service, which remains a key differentiator in the market.

EBITDA in the third quarter rose to $53 million up $6 million sequentially outperforming our guide as we delivered better than expected revenue growth and higher gross margins, while maintaining WSI as a percent of revenue.

EBITDA margins were nine 2% of revenue for the third quarter up more than 500 basis points from one year ago.

Through through three quarters of this year, we generated EBITDA of $128 million or eight 1% of revenue $100 million more than the same period for 2021.

This quarter, we also produced $44 million of positive free cash flow our highest level at this rate of sequential quarterly revenue growth. As we grew revenue improved gross margins investing in inventory are standing up a new supercenter in the Bakken and added employees to fuel the future.

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This performance is counter to the prior trends of consuming cash during growth cycles to fund working capital builds and is a great achievement for our team.

And it gives me greater confidence in our ability to generate positive free cash flow for the full year, which would be quite an accomplishment given the historical counter cyclical forces.

Moving to our segments in the U S revenue was $435 million up 7% sequentially.

Margins were resilient as non pipe product lines offset some margin compression on steel line pipe, which we expected to happen and mentioned on the last few calls.

And inventory charges were lower in the period, improving the overall gross margin results.

During the quarter, we extended an MSA agreement with one of our top customers for an additional five years, a strong vote of confidence in the value Dino is delivering to their operations.

And our onsite integrated supply model is experiencing sequential growth as our team provides embedded sourcing procurement and material management services connected with the sale of products for our customers.

We saw sequential revenue growth as operators took advantage of high commodity prices to invest in production.

In midstream, we continued to provide pipe fittings, and flanges and actuated valve products across the gathering processing and natural gas transmission and markets.

On the LNG side, we were successful in supply in line pipe for to interconnect projects to feed natural gas to an LNG processing facility.

We are increasing the utility of our Super centers as we place more resources in areas that drive higher returns through more efficient model.

And during the fourth quarter, we will open our newest PBF plus supercenter in Williston, North Dakota right in the heart of the Bakken play.

This facility investment expand <unk> commitment to servicing our customers across the Williston basin through the centralization of PBS PBF plus inventory by providing our customers with technical sales and product application support through the capabilities of our project management and field maintenance support teams.

It will be equipped with the new downhole pump sales and service Department and our composite line pipe alternatives to steel pipe through our TSM TSM fiberglass brand.

It will include our power service stocking and service offering as well.

From our flex flow business, we will locally rent and maintain a fleet of our trailer mounted horizontal surface pump packages from this location.

This new Williston Super Center is a Mega center as it will house businesses for both our U S energy and U S processes businesses.

It provides revenue synergies not only to leverage the scale of the facility, but to reap the added benefits tied to information sharing and collaboration leading to a revenue capture from cross selling products and services across the company.

U S process solutions delivered its highest revenue quarter since 2019 custom.

Customer demand for fabricated pressure vessels measurement packages pipe racks manifolds water transfer and saltwater disposal units remained high as we shipped modular units into oil and gas producing regions and gathering in midstream interconnect locations.

Demand increased for pump packages to support crude pipeline transfer water transfer and chemical injection applications.

Customer inquiries for longer lead time packages increased as operators work to scope midstream project timelines taken into account the timing and supply chain constraints related to the availability of semiconductor components and manufactured equipment, such as BFD Plc's and transmitters.

We are seeing an increase in activity and inquiries for pump products on the produced water and water management side as water transfer and permitted water injection site spare capacity diminishes.

We are expanding our aftermarket service to meet increasing demand for field service on fluid handling equipment. This.

This includes upfront commissioning field and service repair and after market parts sales at our locations.

We have aligned our effort by teaming up with our preferred manufacturers on training, while leveraging our E track digital tool to build and expand the knowledge base on installed customer equipment.

We have seen demand for our horizontal rental pumps improve mostly tied to the saltwater disposal water transfer and Frac protection activities.

And we're seeing increased increased adoption of our jet pump solution or new producing wells, where it is used for sand and debris removal before the well goes on rod pump artificial lift.

In Canada revenue was $86 million for the quarter, an increase of 19% sequentially and 26% year over year as drilling and customer activity improved.

Growth was led by a number of projects in the Oilsands midstream valves and actuation work and artificial official lift projects in the upstream.

We don't expect this higher level of projects in the fourth quarter. However.

We saw growth from a joint contractor, who uses our digital e-commerce platform to acquire procure drilling products and consumables to support their day to day drilling operations.

With a major E&P operator, we provided valve and actuation solutions for an LNG feed our line project acquired through an EPC.

With the same customer we are in the early stages of setting up a materials management onsite program that would position <unk> for future revenues to support their day to day MRO maintenance operations.

Market demand for many of our products remains high and in response, our supply chain team has been able to source import products and expedite shipping containers that have helped source specific projects for our customers.

For international revenue was $56 million sequentially lower by $3 million the decline in the quarter was driven by the negative impact of foreign currency due to a stronger U S. Dollar.

We are focused on improving financial performance by high grading customer offerings to increase operating margins, while adjusting our country footprint as we optimize our operating model.

We are experiencing an increase in quoting activity and an increase in the number of projects that are being funded suggesting a more positive outlook on future growth.

In the U K, we are seeing operators and epc's move forward with more traditional oil and gas projects, including major upgrades to existing north sea fields and onshore facilities.

In Europe revenues are up as the oil and gas market rebounds, and some of our joint contractors increase activity.

We are seeing EPC and EPC activity pickup with several projects to support increased development.

In the Middle East we are beginning to see increased project activity from a couple of fields that have been in a multiyear hiatus and are now starting to be reactivated and developed.

With the uptick in rig Activations, we are seeing more inquiries for equipment and consumables for the rig sale out to their final destinations to begin their contracts in the middle East.

We are also seeing an increase in project bidding for modular production facilities in UAE and Oman in.

In Southeast Asia, we are seeing more projects with the building out of oil and gas pipe transmission and with <unk> and <unk>, who are working on several new projects, including <unk>.

In Latin America activity has increased as <unk> overhaul drilling rigs, which drives sales and drilling spares and consumables.

We remain upbeat about our international segment, where we see the environment, improving and market conditions become more favorable.

On the energy sustainability front, we are working with many customers to provide solutions on their greenhouse gas reduction initiatives, which includes flare retrofit and instrument air upgrade projects.

Our customers have active programs to identify sources of methane leaks and to seek to reduce or eliminate them in order to achieve their publicly stated scope one emissions reduction targets.

As these greenhouse gas emission sources are identified we find it drives demand for our PVA products.

In the renewable natural gas or RMG market.

Provided spooled line pipe for a large <unk> project in the U S that connects over 8000 dairy farms equipped with anaerobic digesters to our pipeline.

Once fully operational the full environmental impact of this R&D project is estimated to reduce 33000 tons per year of greenhouse gas.

We're excited to support more of these types of projects.

In the <unk> space, we provided PBF on a pipeline project that collects and transferred.

Flex and transfer <unk>, which is used for tertiary enhanced oil recovery operations in the northern U S.

And in the hydrogen market, we provided multi stage pumps used in the transfer of purified water in the production of green hydrogen.

As evident from these examples are PBF and pump products.

N themselves nicely to the emission capture Cc U S RMG and hydrogen markets and it is one of our goal is to be a leading distributor for our existing customers or new customers that are learning how <unk> can meet their product service and ESG commitments.

Moving to our digital now initiatives digital revenue improved to 42% of our SAP revenue up sequentially.

During the quarter, we received additional commitments from customers to acquire our access now unintended security.

Monitoring inventory management inventory control solution.

R E spec process and production equipment configuration, <unk> helped support the process solutions revenue growth by making it easier for customers to work with our technical sales team to explore configure and budget wide range of products and our fabrication product line.

E track, our asset lifecycle management tool, which provides customers the ability to track scheduled maintenance in order replacement parts for field equipment has seen a 49% growth in the number of companies tracking assets from the previous quarter.

And finally, we are using statistical modeling tools to aid in the demand planning and scheduling of projects to enhance our stocking strategies to ensure availability of material for both planned projects and unplanned customer maintenance activities, while reducing stockout and buyouts for neenah.

Now in terms of capital allocation, we will continue to maintain a strong balance sheet and a flexible approach moving forward with a bias towards strategic and margin accretive acquisitions, while opportunistically executing on our $80 million approved stock buyback program announced in August .

Our operational performance has been solid this year, enabling us to fuel growth generate cash in a quarter as we grew revenue, thus, providing more flexibility and liquidity for capital allocation.

We continue to forage and build a pipeline of inorganic opportunities that supports our strategy and satisfies our financial thresholds for acquisitions.

And we have some good prospects that we hope to get over the finish line soon.

With that let me hand, it over to Mark. Thank you, Dave and good morning, everyone I want to start by highlighting the format on some of our financial statements have expanded this quarter as we account for the activity under our inaugural share repurchase program, we announced in August and as we account for the Noncontrolling interest of a joint venture in our international segment, which we consol.

Sedate into our financials as we are the primary beneficiary and controlling member recognizing 1 million and Noncontrolling interest in the quarter.

Total third quarter, 2022 revenue was $577 million, a 7% increase or $38 million.

Dollars and growth over the second quarter of 2022, despite a $4 million foreign currency headwind.

On a year over year basis, we saw a strong third quarter 2022 performance spearheaded by revenue growth of $138 million or <unk>, 31%.

EBIT profitability expanded to nine 2% or $53 million for the quarter over three times, what it was one year ago on solid operational execution and increased gross margins.

The U S revenue for the third quarter, 2022, with $435 million up 7% or $27 million sequentially and up $123 million or 39% year over year on continued strengthening rig count persistent depletion of DUC inventory and increased completion activity.

Our U S energy centers contributed approximately 77% of total U S revenues in the third quarter with our U S process solutions contributed the other 23%.

Turning to Canada for the third quarter revenue was $86 million up $14 million or 19% from the second quarter of 2022 with an increase in project activity and several customers moving up deliveries to the third quarter that were originally planned for the fourth.

Compared to the third quarter of 2021, Canada's revenue increased $18 million or 26% year over year.

International revenue in the third quarter of 2022 was $56 million down $3 million from the second quarter, primarily driven by a $2 million foreign currency headwind from the stronger U S dollar relative to foreign currencies.

Year over year third quarter, 2022 international revenue declined 5% or $3 million. However that includes a $6 million foreign currency headwind.

As Dave highlighted earlier, our third quarter gross margins increased from the second quarter by 40 basis points to 24, 1%.

Warehousing, selling and administrative or WSI for the quarter was $95 million up $6 million sequentially and flat with the second quarter WSI expense to revenue percentage and in line with our guide for the third quarter.

Looking back one year ago to the third quarter of 2021, we expanded quarterly revenue by $138 million, yet only added $9 million in quarterly WSI costs or about 7% of the revenue increase as we work to improve efficiencies.

The majority of the Wsh sequential increase is in line with achieving significantly improved financial performance and the higher associated variable compensation expenses, including an additional $1 million in noncash performance share based compensation paired with increased health care costs in the quarter.

Moving to the operating profit of our geographic segments and the third quarter. The U S contributed $31 million in operating profit or 7% of revenue.

Canada delivered $10 million in operating profit or 11, 6% of revenue in the third quarter and the international segment reported $3 million in operating profit or 5% of revenue in the third quarter.

Moving below operating profit third quarter other income and expense included interest income of approximately $1 million, partially offset by unfavorable foreign exchange transaction losses.

And on a GAAP basis, the effective tax rates for the three and nine months ended September 32020, or six 8% and seven 6% respectively.

As I discussed on our last call. This is the effective tax rate is calculated from the face of the income statement and is below the typically expected tax rate at these earnings levels.

As our tax provision includes a favorable tax benefit impact from changes in the tax valuation allowance on our deferred tax asset.

This is why when imputing, our non-GAAP tax rate, we exclude such tax benefit.

And the non-GAAP effective tax rate is closer to approximately 28% year to date at 28% is a pretty good proxy for the effective tax rate for the go forward quarter and year when excluding other costs.

Third quarter 2022, net income was $41 million and included $1 million and net income attributable to Noncontrolling interest.

Net income attributable to now Inc. For the third quarter was $40 million or <unk> 35 per share.

And on a non-GAAP basis net income attributable to <unk>, excluding other costs was $34 million or <unk> 30 per share.

Now moving to EBITDA, excluding other costs or EBITDA for the third quarter, EBITDA was $53 million or nine 2% of revenue.

The EBITDA to revenue flow throughs of 16% sequentially and 26% year over year, a result of our team's execution and strategic focus across our new <unk> structure that.

That streamlines, our operations and makes better use of technology to process customer orders, resulting in improved service levels to our customers.

Now moving to the balance sheet, we ended the third quarter in a net cash position of $267 million, including zero debt and zero draws in the quarter.

Increasing our total liquidity to $635 million, which.

Which includes the $267 million of cash on hand, plus $368 million, an additional credit facility availability.

Accounts receivable was $406 million, an increase of 4% or $17 million from the second quarter.

Inventory was $361 million, an increase of $30 million, while maintaining a high quarterly inventory turn rate of four nine times comparable to last quarter.

Accounts payable was $339 million, an increase of $49 million from the second quarter.

And we posted positive free cash flow of $44 million in the quarter.

Capital expenditures in the third quarter were $1 million as we invested in infrastructure to enhance efficiencies and improved service levels to our customers.

And as of September 32022, working capital, excluding cash as a percentage of third quarter annualized revenue was approximately 14, 3%.

Now moving to capital allocation during our last earnings call in August we announced the authorization of the company's common stock repurchase program for up to $80 million continuing through December 31 2024 during.

During the first partial quarter of the program. We were pleased to take advantage of market opportunities as we made initial progress in our repurchase program.

Already repurchasing $4 million or approximately 5% of our authorized repurchase program at an average share price of $10 33.

As of September 32022, we have $76 million available under the repurchase program and we maintain a continued priority for acquisitions and organic growth. While also having the ability to repurchase shares opportunistically as we use the tools and our broadened capital allocation framework to generate attractive shareholder.

Turns without deviating from our disciplined approach to balance sheet management.

And with that let me turn the call back to Dave.

Thank you Mark.

And now turning to our outlook.

For the fourth quarter, we expect customer spending to slow down primarily due to holidays in November and December and secondarily to customer budget exhaustion.

As such for Q2 revenues are forecast to decline sequentially in the mid to high single digit percentage range, especially given the robustness of the third quarter purchasing and preparation for year end and amid the seasonal impacts described above.

We are expecting 2022 to become our highest revenue growth percentage increase year approximating, 30% with our strongest EBITDA percent year ever.

With full year 2020, EBITDA forecast to increased nearly $120 million when compared to the full year of 2021, EBITDA due to revenue growth stronger gross margins and a more efficient fulfillment model.

And we expect full year 2022 to generate positive free cash flow, even with much higher revenues than expected.

I am excited about 2023, where we see continued capital discipline from our customers, resulting in a measured improvement in rig count in the U S and Canada.

I'm also optimistic about our international business, where I see a more rational approach to energy security that will lead to more investment in domestic oil and gas sources combined with renewables and imported LNG.

So we expect our international segment to grow next year under more favorable market conditions.

The success of the past three years can be attributed to the ethos of D. Now and inspired organization that is dedicated to delighting the customer and winning the market.

We pride ourselves on being the critical connector for our customers delivering essential products innovation and differentiated solutions.

A culture, where employees not only show up for our customers each and every day.

But for each other and our communities.

I'd like to thank the several hundred distribution now employees listening this morning.

Everything you do to delight our customers.

In everything you do to distinguish <unk> from the competition is represented in the news were presenting to our shareholders today.

You buy engaging your customer and providing solutions to their operational challenges focusing on value and values not transactions produce these impressive results.

With that let's open the call for questions.

Thank you.

At this time I'd like to remind everyone in order to ask a question Press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad will pause here for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.

Our first question today comes from the line of Nathan Jones with Stifel. Nathan Your line is now open.

Good morning, everyone.

Good morning Nathan.

I'm going to ask the question I don't know, whether you will answer it or.

Do you have any kind of framework outlook for 2023 that youre thinking about that you can share with us.

What your customers are telling you about their investment plans for 2023 or just any more color. You can you can give us on.

How are you thinking that will go.

Well.

Of course, we have begun kind of a.

Scenario.

Planning for 2023, we haven't begun to construct a budget and we're not guiding yet, but what we're seeing in terms of.

Current levels of rig counts completions.

The kind of anecdotal feedback from customers.

Is that the markets.

In our view right now is.

To expand 7% to 10%.

That's our least that's kind of our placeholder range as we.

Plan for inventory levels talent acquisition et cetera.

So the rate of growth next year won't be like it was in in 2022, but we expect the market to get better.

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But.

And at a lower level of increase compared to 2022.

That is that's helpful.

Dave I think for the last I don't know how many quarters in a row now you'd be telling you think gross margins are probably going to go down sequentially. The next quarter and every quarter they keep going up.

Maybe you can just talk a little bit more about.

The inputs to that that are keeping gross margins up at these levels should be starting to face and compression from line pipe pricing I would I would assume so there must be some other offsets in there.

Just talk about the dynamics that are keeping margins at those levels and what you think is kind of the sustainable gross margin level.

Okay. That's a fair question Nate So let me start here.

We've grown our business, 30% this year.

We're forecasting that for the full year.

We have about 35 fewer employees today than we did year ago part of that because it's hard to find folks in a stressed market like this but part of that is because we're focused on.

Growing.

The business.

And applying our limited resources, where the value is as most perceived by our customers.

And.

While pipe prices have have begun.

Have plateaued.

And the cost of replacement pipe and our inventory is growing and we do expect contraction.

Steel pipe and saw it in third quarter all of the efforts that we take to high grade our business.

The recent acquisitions, we did which had higher gross margins for example.

The businesses, we sold over the last few years all of that works to really hone in.

On activities that the customer is sees more valuable than the the alternatives and the alternatives are some of the competition who favor transactions.

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Pursue revenues, sometimes to the detriment of the balance sheet and sometimes to the detriment of the bottom line, but I think high grading has been our best friend there, yes, I've been wrong in terms of forecasting some.

Some topping off of gross margins I'm happy to have been wrong about that but as the numbers solidify, especially in the pipe area.

I think I'll be more accurate in terms of some some subtle contraction in gross margins.

But I would tell you.

Our folks are working very closely with customers on a relationship basis not a transaction transaction basis are people focused on improving the product mix. So there is market pricing and those margins per product line and then there is nothing there is focusing on the right products.

And changing your mix to maximize gross margins that's become an art that we're really getting good at as a company. So that's been somewhat of a hedge at over the expected.

Pipe contraction, which I think is happening now and will continue over the coming quarters.

Maybe just a comment on how far through that process.

Because I'm sure there's still.

Wide variety and a wide mix at margins of products that you sell and there's probably some products that you sell that customers don't pay that much value.

What pay for the value that you're providing.

So you say.

That kind of 80 20 approach to the portfolio that you can continue to apply that may continue to expand gross margins.

I do think there are opportunities.

I think it's.

We're really good at.

At managing pipe valves fittings pump some of our core products.

And we because we tend to be in the upstream space for sure.

The largest.

Distributor in that in that end market, we get preferred costing and we tend to favor our core suppliers and we tried to improve the mix.

In our favor along those lines.

I think in terms of is there a room for improvement.

I think so but I think it's going to be concealed a little bit by the.

By the pipe.

Convergence, we talked about and by that I mean.

Steel pipe prices to customers have stabilized might even have.

Peaked in a few areas and then the cost of replacement inventory growth, but I think managing mix. It will be very helpful and I think theres upside there, but there is the reality of.

We went through the last four or five quarters.

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Limited product availability.

Stress in the supply chain.

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The supply chain constraints for for our competition, that's going to stabilize a little bit and we will see some some normal reversion to more regular margins, but then it's about managing mix and it's about.

Focusing on those higher margin product lines that I really talk about all the time and it was inherent in your question, but I think there is upside I do think there is some some headwinds though in the pipe area.

That all makes sense, thanks, very much for taking my questions.

Thanks, Nick.

Thank you Mr. Jones.

The next question today comes from the line of Jeff Robertson with water Tower Research Mr. Robertson. Your line is now open.

Thank you good morning.

Good morning talk with.

Can you share any color on 'twenty three with respect to the types of costing and the types of quote inquiries you're getting in terms of the.

The margin mix next year.

Well.

So far I mean.

I would say probably 75% of our business our high percentage of our business is kind of same month activity now we have a part of our U S business called process solutions, which was 23% of our U S revenues in the quarter Theres more planning involved in the fabrication part of that business most of that most of the bidding.

And most of the activity is.

Within a quarter kind of business so in terms of what.

What the mix of.

Activity would be for 2023, there is a limited view there.

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So I really can't give too much color, there, but we're kind of targeting.

Margins at least in the fourth quarter gross margins consistent with what we delivered in the year to date.

Part of the year.

And again like I alluded to earlier, we're going to see some contractions in few areas, but the projects. We're bidding on now that happen to be in 2023 are at similar margins to where are we.

To what we delivered in the first nine months of the year.

You mentioned in your comments about E Commerce solutions that <unk> offers.

Including it sounds like increased customer adoption of <unk> on some of those platforms.

Is that adoption helped support.

Some stickiness in the expand in some of the gross margins that youre seeing.

Yes, Jeff This is Brad I'll take that one.

Yeah, our e-commerce platform has evolved over over many years.

We provide round trip punch out for large customers, where they punch out from their ERP system into our system and essentially fulfill our requisition and then we have a <unk> integration with them. So a lot of that is all digital transacted. So a lot of the business is under contract.

Actual pricing that would be similar to what they would get at the branch level.

But the <unk>.

Cost to process the orders would be lower so you could you could think of the business to be in line with the gross margin, but it could be accretive to flow throughs to EBITDA. We also have <unk> customers that.

Work within a catalog and a similar approach where they have a number of users that log in and are buying and transacting in procuring everyday within the system and then those orders are routed to the respective branch that ship or supercenter. In this case that fulfills the order in order to meet the customer.

Wired delivery date so.

So basically you all can it lowers your costs so.

Enhances your margins on the products that you otherwise so through those through those channels right.

Yes, we like to think of it as one of one of the high efficient models. We have of the several models that we engage our customers and it's one of the highest models that.

Can really attribute the higher flow through to EBITDA.

Okay. Thank you very much for taking my questions.

Welcome and thank you Mr Robertson.

If you'd like to ask a question press Star then the number one on your telephone keypad.

Our next question is from Sean Mitchell with Daniel Energy Partners, Sean Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions guys.

One just as you think about the earnings call season, So far several oilfield service companies, what I would say of your peers.

Yeah.

<unk> very positive about international opportunities in the future in particular, some folks have mentioned we're in the early innings of kind of this international expansion. If you will in terms of activity and growth when.

When you think about your international business.

Where do you see that I'm not asking for what are you. What is 23 look like or what does next quarter looks like but just as you think about this over the next three to five years, if international is in the early innings and.

What does that business makeup look like to you or the opportunity set look like to you internationally.

In terms of percentage of your overall business number one and then number two do you think thats achievable in terms of organic growth or do you think thats something you guys would have to look at M&A opportunities.

Well, let me I'll take a crack at this and then I'll probably hand, it to Brad but in terms of international growth.

Where we're going to see.

Probably the most growth for the year 2023 is in the international Arena, it's been kind of lagging behind.

The really powerful growth we've seen in the U S and Canada over the last several quarters.

So we do expect international to be brighter in terms of the rate of growth will experience next year.

In terms of where we will see it.

We're going to see it.

First with some of the larger projects, where we won recently in Kazakhstan in the North Sea and the Middle East will start to see that show up more selling projects, we will see as as drilling contractors and Briggs and outfit rigs, we will see the increase.

Drilling spares and.

Bob.

Pumping spares and things like that we'll see that start to grow.

That'll be the main areas and then it's going to be a matter of some of the we talked about some of the.

The businesses that we're under hiatus for several years that are now starting to.

Restart and Marc talked about that a little bit middle East B E.

That's going to be helpful to further growth as well, but I don't know Brad you add any color to add to that or.

Yeah, Sean I'll I'll add a couple of comments to Dave's comments.

When we when we spun off from <unk> in 2014.

Our international business was highly geared to the offshore market.

Over the last.

Six to eight years, we've been kind of diversifying that business as that offshore market has struggled to recover.

And so we're.

Much more diversified in.

We service.

The land market also the offshore market, but projects a lot of day to day business, we acquired Maclean electrical out of the UK. So we have electrical distribution business, we export out of Houston out of the UK to the.

West.

Africa.

We are still.

Quite a bit of business in the upstream there, but we're a lot more diversified than we're seeing.

To your point a lot of the.

Investment now going into offshore.

Potentially more deepwater rig rig utilization is increasing day rates are increasing so we see that as a positive potential positive.

Mechanism for further growth in our international as it was really the general recovery of International comes back out of Covid and so all of those kind of taken together. We're we have we have.

An upward bias towards our international growth.

As a segment.

That's helpful. Thanks, guys.

Thank you John .

Thank you.

There are no further questions at this time, Mr. David <unk>, CEO and President I will turn the call back over to you.

Okay well. Thank you for your interest in <unk>, and we look forward to talking with everyone on our next call in February have a good quarter.

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