Q3 2022 MGIC Investment Corp Earnings Call
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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by.
And welcome to the MGIC Investment Corporation third quarter 2022 earnings call. At this time all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.
At the end of todays presentation, we will have a question and answer session.
Good question during the session you will need to press star one on your telephone you will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised please be advised that today's conference is being recorded I will now turn the conference over to Diana Higgins head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you Kurt good morning, and welcome everyone. Thank you for your interest in MGIC Investment Corporation.
Joining me on the call today to discuss our results for the third quarter are Jim Mackey, Chief Executive Officer, and Nathan Colson, Chief Financial Officer.
Our press release, which contains mgic's third quarter financial results was issued yesterday and is available on our website at M. T. G Dot M G IC dot com under newsroom.
Additional information about our quarterly results that we will refer to during the call today.
It also includes a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures.
In addition, we posted on our website a quarterly supplement that contains information pertaining to our primary risk in force and other information you may find valuable.
As a reminder from time to time, we May post information about our underwriting guidelines and other presentations or corrections to past presentations on our website.
Before we get started today I want to remind everyone that during the course of this call. We make we may make comments about our expectations of the future actual results could differ materially from those contained in these forward looking statements.
Additional information about the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed on the call. Today are contained in our 8-K and 10-Q. They were also filed yesterday.
If we make any forward looking statements we are not undertaking an obligation to update those statements in the future in light of subsequent developments.
No one should rely on the fact that such guidance or forward looking statements are current at any other time than the time of this call or the issuance of our 8-K and 10-Q.
With that I'd now have the pleasure to turn the call over to Tim. Thanks.
Thanks, Diana good morning, everyone. I am pleased to report that we had another strong quarter. We continued the solid financial results. We delivered in the first half of the year.
During the quarter, we remained focused on executing our business strategies, including providing critical support to the housing market by making it easier for individuals and families to achieve affordable and sustainable homeownership.
We will get into more details on our financial results throughout this call, but in summary, we once again demonstrated the strength of our capital position by continuing to grow our insurance in force paying a common stock dividend decreasing our leverage ratio repurchasing stock and producing an annualized 21, 8% return on equity.
In the quarter, we earned $250 million of GAAP net income.
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Nine 4% increase from a year ago, and a two 4% increase from the end of the second quarter.
The growth in insurance in force during the third quarter reflects an increase persistency rate.
Taking a look at the performance of our in force portfolio. Our loss ratio was a negative 41, 7% in the quarter. This reflects a loss reserves established on a number of new delinquencies reported to us in the quarter more than offset by a re estimation of ultimate losses on delinquencies in prior quarters.
In addition, approximately 60% of our insurance in force as from the 2020 in 2021 book years in the credit quality of those books remained strong.
We have not seen a material change in the credit performance of our portfolio. Overall, we remain encouraged by the positive credit trends, we're experiencing on our existing portfolio.
In the quarter, we not only deployed capital to support new business and grow our insurance in force, we used our holding company's strong liquidity position to redeem our senior notes due in 2023, reducing our leverage ratio and future interest expense.
We also paid a quarterly common stock dividend and repurchased $6 1 million shares for $84 million <unk>.
Additionally in October our board authorized a <unk> 10 per share common stock dividend payable on November 23, and we repurchased an additional $2 5 million shares for $33 million.
Earlier this week, the operating company paid of $400 million dividend to the holding company.
The dividend enhances liquidity position at the holding company and the financial flexibility of the company overall.
Retiring debt and Delevering has been a significant use of holding company cash in the past year, both our debt to capital ratio near our target with the expectations of a challenged economic environment and the near term, we expect to retain higher levels of liquidity at the holding company.
In light of the current environment, Let me take a few minutes to further discuss our capital management strategy.
First our capital management strategy is dynamic and we strive to be prudent and thoughtful in our capital allocation decision, making.
This is particularly important as we navigate changing economic environment.
We routinely consider the level of capital at both the operating company and holding company liquidity level of capital that we retain for future deployment versus return to shareholders and other capital providers.
Our balanced approach for maintaining a strong and flexible capital position involves the use of several types of reinsurance putting forward commitment quota share transaction and excess of loss transactions in both the traditional reinsurance market and the capital market through our <unk> transaction.
This approach is designed to maximize the long term value of both the operating company and the holding company.
We began entering into quota share reinsurance agreements in 2013 and have entered into Ireland transactions covering most of our 2016 through 2021 books of business.
And as mentioned during last quarter's call in April we completed our first excess of loss transaction and the traditional reinsurance market, which will cover most of the policies written in 2022. In addition to the 30% quota share we had in place to cover 2022 and IW at the start of the year.
Vision to diversifying our sources of capital these transactions reduced the volatility of losses and weaker economic environment and have the potential to enhance our returns.
Before turning it over to Nate to provide more details on our financial results and our capital management activities I would like to share a few additional thoughts on the current environment.
The volume of mortgage originations has continued to decline due to the rapid increase in interest rates over the past few months.
As I mentioned last quarter, if the overall market opportunity for new private mortgage insurance is smaller than our record volumes for the last two years.
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While our new insurance written as slow slowing persistency on our insurance in force continues to increase extending the existing revenue stream.
The increase to approximately 76% at the end of the quarter up from approximately 72% at June 30.
As a result, our insurance in force portfolio continues to grow, albeit at a slower pace.
As many of you are aware persistency along with the insurance in force are two long term drivers of future revenue.
Lastly, affordability challenges and the significant increase in interest rates that put downward pressure on home prices.
Annual home price growth remains at historically high rates, but the rate of growth of softening in some areas and declining and others.
While decrease in home values have the potential to increase our losses, the strong credit quality of the 2020 in 2021 book years and the equity created for many homeowners due to the significant home price growth over the last couple of years should help reduce the incidence of claims on the related mortgages on much of our risk in force a.
Our reinsurance agreements also helped mitigate our losses.
We continue to believe that a gradual normalization of home prices is healthy for the housing market and overall economy and we are encouraged as we look forward the demographic trends suggest meaningful long term M&A opportunities with that let me turn it over to Nathan.
Thanks, Tim and good morning.
As Tim mentioned, we had another strong quarter, we earned $250 million of net income or <unk> 81 per diluted share compared to $158 million of net income or <unk> 46 per diluted share during the same period last year.
On an adjusted net operating income basis, we earned <unk> 86 per diluted share and 87% increase from the <unk> 46 per diluted share in the third quarter of 2021.
A detailed reconciliation of GAAP net income to adjusted net operating income can be found in our earnings release, but the primary difference in the quarter was due to the loss on debt extinguishment from redeeming our senior notes due in 2023 and continued repurchase of our convertible debentures due in 2063.
Book value per share decreased modestly to $15 16 as of September 30 from $15 18 as of December 31.
An increase from $14 81 last year.
The modest decrease compared to December 31 was primarily the result of unrealized losses on our investment portfolio due to increases in market interest rates offset by net income.
The unrealized losses are not reflected in net income but are reflected in shareholders' equity and therefore also reflected in book value per share.
As mentioned last quarter higher interest rates, our long term positive for the earnings potential of the investment portfolio.
The rapid increase in interest rates over the last several months resulted in unrealized losses that reduced book value per share of $1 50 at the end of the quarter. While at December 31, unrealized gains increased book value per share by 47 and.
And by 59, a year ago.
During the quarter total revenues were $293 million compared to $296 million for the same period last year.
Net premiums earned were $252 million in the quarter compared to $255 million last year.
The decrease in net premium earned was primarily due to an increase in ceded premiums and a decrease in our premium yield offset somewhat by growth in our insurance in force.
The enforced premium yield was 39.0 basis points in the quarter down four tenths of a basis point during the quarter.
The in force portfolio yield reflects the premium rates in effect on our insurance in force.
As we previously discussed we expected the enforced premium yield to decline throughout 2022 as the older policies with higher premium rates continue to run off.
Turning to credit.
Net losses incurred were negative $105 million in the third quarter compared to negative $99 million last quarter and $21 million for the same period last year.
Our review and re estimation of ultimate losses on prior delinquencies resulted in $141 million of favorable loss reserve development in the quarter compared to $131 million of favorable loss reserve development last quarter and $18 million of favorable loss reserve development in the third quarter of last year.
The favorable development in the quarter was primarily related to delinquencies from 2020 and prior.
I was curious on those delinquencies continued to exceed our expectations, we have adjusted our ultimate loss expectations.
In the quarter, our delinquency inventory decreased by three 6% to 25900 loans, marking the ninth straight quarter of decrease from the pandemic peak of 69300 loans in the second quarter of 2020.
The number of loans in our delinquency inventory remains at historical.
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Going forward the level of new delinquency notices may increase due to the seasoning of the large 2020 in 2021 vintages and order historically the peak loss emergence years.
The number of claims paid remained generally flat again for the quarter as foreclosure moratoriums in forbearance plans and we expect to see an increase in claims received in claims paid but at exposure levels similar to those experienced prior to the pandemic.
Approximately 94% of our primary risk in force was covered to some extent by reinsurance transactions at the end of the quarter.
Drilling down even further 98% of the primary risk in force related to the 2020. In later books was covered to some extent by reinsurance transactions at the end of the quarter.
The 2020 in later books represent 78% of our total primary risk in force.
These transactions provide capital relief under P. Myers, and addition to loss protection.
For more information on our reinsurance transactions can find that in our 10-Q for the third quarter.
Turning to our capital management activities. Our priorities include maintaining the financial strength and flexibility of the holding company and deploying capital for growth to the writing company.
For the holding company this means maintaining a target level of liquidity in excess of near term needs at.
At the operating company it means maintaining a robust level of pmiers excess that we expect will enable growth and changing operating environments.
During the quarter the capital levels at MGIC and liquidity levels at the holding company were above our targets.
As a result, and consistent with our capital strategy, we repurchased $6 1 million outstanding shares of common stock for a total cost of $84 million and we paid a <unk> <unk> per share dividend to our shareholders for a total of $31 million.
In addition to shareholder capital return, we redeemed our outstanding senior notes due in 2023 and repurchased $14 million in aggregate principal amount of our convertible debentures due in 2063.
These actions reduced our annualized interest expense by $15 $2 million and reduced dilutive shares by $1 1 million and reduced our debt to capital ratio from approximately 17% to approximately 12%, which is in line with our target debt to capital level.
As Tim mentioned earlier as we navigate through the current economic cycle, we continue to remain prudent and thoughtful in our capital allocation strategy decisions with an eye towards the long term success of the company.
At quarter end MGIC had $2 6 billion of available assets in excess of the P. Myers minimum requirements and Mgic's capital level was above our target.
As a result of our strong capital position at the operating company and consistent with our capital strategy, We received OCI approval and paid a $400 million dividend from MGIC to the holding company enhancing the holding company's liquidity position and the financial flexibility of the company overall.
Future dividends from MGIC to the holding company will also require OCI approval.
As Tim mentioned in the near term, we expect to retain higher levels of liquidity at the holding company.
Part of the reason for maintaining higher levels of liquidity at the holding company is the outlook for large future dividends from the operating company is more uncertain than in the past 18 months.
We will evaluate future dividends to the holding company using a consistent framework, but if we experience a more challenged economic environment for mortgage credit that will impact our targeted capital levels, which could extend the time between dividends reduce the amount of future dividends.
Or retaining capital in the operating company may be preferred.
With that let me turn it back over to Tim.
Nathan.
Two additional comments before we open it up for questions.
In October the FHFA announced that it'll be eliminate upfront fees for certain first time homebuyers and affordable mortgage products.
Overall, we think the pricing changes are directionally positive for low and moderate income borrowers.
At this point, we are uncertain what impact these changes will have on our business. Overall. However, we are supportive of the efforts to facilitate access to low downpayment lending for first time in low to moderate income homebuyers.
We look forward to continuing to work with FHFA and the Gse's responsibly and sustainably expand access to homeownership.
In closing we had another successful quarter and continue the solid financial results, we have been delivering.
We believe that our financial strength and capital flexibility combined with our quality offerings and superior customer service put us in the best position to achieve success for all of our stakeholders.
We have the right team in place and remain focused on executing our business objectives for the long term success of the company.
We are successfully navigating many different economic cycles throughout our 65 year history and will continue to adapt to the changing needs of our customers. So that we may help borrowers overcome the largest optical to homeownership the down payment.
With that operator, let's take questions.
Thank you at this time, we will now conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, we ask.
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You will need to press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.
At this time, we now have Mark Devries from Barclays.
<unk>. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Okay. Thank you.
Tim I know you don't like to talk about pricing, but could you just talk kind of directionally, how you're thinking about about pricing here just given.
Some of the macro uncertainty and also some of the pressure we're seeing on home prices here and also kind of any observations you've made about what competitors are doing.
I appreciate the commentary that we don't like to talk about pricing and I'll, let al answered your questions in a way that I think.
Really responsive for you.
Think about.
Deploying capital and the returns required to get off of that and in an environment, where there's more uncertainty and more potential expectation for losses, you need to make sure that you can price accordingly to do that.
I think we continue to remain focused on return expectation and the environment that we're operating as obviously influences that so feel really good about the business. We wrote this quarter as we look forward, we'll continue to adapt to what the environment is but it would rather not comment on what we're seeing from competitors.
Okay Fair enough and then.
Yes.
Circling back to the comments, you've made around around capital and liquidity at the holding company.
Should we expect the pace of capital returns that we saw this quarter to slow or where those capital returns kind of consistent with that.
The slightly more conservative view seem to be taking here around around liquidity and capital.
I think there's a couple of things in there one we've been using a lot of liquidity at the holding company repurchased data at the same time.
We got another large dividend up to the holding company, we wanted to make sure that the expectations arent that all of that will roll into share repurchase.
We do anticipate to still execute on share repurchase, but don't don't want.
I guess you to think that we're going to put all of that ready to share repurchase and increase the level of that versus maintain what we think is a good level and a prudent level.
Okay, Great. That's helpful. Thank you very much.
Sure.
Thank you for your question Mark.
We will now bring our.
Next person.
And that next person is George Bose with <unk>. Your line is now open go ahead.
Hey, guys. This is bose.
Hey, just wanted to follow up on the.
Buybacks.
Are you done in terms of capital actions to reduce.
Your debt, given where things stand now and then.
And just when you think about buybacks going forward.
Should we really think about it coming out at.
Out of earnings at your leverage kind of remained stable.
Bose This Nathan I think relative to the first part of your question about that we are kind of at our debt to capital targets. So there is no intention at this point to Delever further with the exception of the.
Approximately $20 million of the of the junior convertible debentures that are soft standing if we had the opportunity to retire those we would we would certainly consider that.
Tim mentioned relative to go forward capital return, we've obviously got the quarterly dividend to shareholders in place and then we have consistently executed on share repurchase I think in this environment and we'll be thoughtful about the pacing of share repurchase, but with the $400 million dividends to the holding company, we've got on our pro forma.
Basis from where we were at year end, we've got about $750 million at the holding company that gives us a lot of flexibility over the next several quarters and year.
Okay, great. Thanks, and then actually.
Touching on persistency.
Can you just give us any updated thoughts about where you think yes.
It could go.
Assume that rates kind of remain at this whatever 7% plus rate for a while.
Good day due to persistency.
Yes.
This is Tim I think I always crown to 80% in an environment, where you expect maybe higher persistency you can see that tracking up historically again I don't think we've seen persistency go above 90.
I view it is easier to refinance now than probably ever seen historically and then also you have to think about sort of the mix that you have within your in force.
Potentially impacting sort of persistency as well and things that cancer from homeowners Protection Act all those different types of things so I.
I think I think you know, 80% going that direction, obviously as we move to the end of the year I think quarterly run rate. Most recently was 82%.
So that seems to imply something that isn't a low to mid eighties.
But don't really anticipate anything much higher than that.
Okay, great. Thanks.
Thank you so much for your question.
And our next.
Participant is Douglas Harter from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open go ahead.
Sticking with the persistence of your question are you seeing any any change in consumer behavior around.
Appraisals to maybe look to have an early cancellation.
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Doug It's Tim I would say nothing that I would do is material.
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Small amount of what actually causes.
Assistance, either go down or cancellations to have and I should say.
And so I'd say, we haven't noticed any meaningful change in consumer behavior at this point.
But the longer that interest rates stay at higher levels, it's something that we keep an eye on but I wouldn't expect that to be kind of a meaningful portion of any of our cancellation.
Great. Thank you.
Sure.
Thank you so much.
As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question. Please press star one one on your telephone and wait to be called the bonds.
And our next question is from Mihir Bhatia of Bank of America. Your line is open go ahead.
Hi, Thanks for taking my question I wanted to start with maybe just going back to your comments about reduced.
Potential for dividends from the holding company is that just based on the macro or is that something you're hearing from the regulators as you had these discussions with them about the current political climate.
Yes Nathan.
I think it's more of a reflection on just the more uncertain outlook at this point.
The approach that will take us to evaluate our capital position in the future relative to what we think the needs of the business are in our target levels. I think we've been very successful and we've had capital above our target levels are getting dividends out of the operating company, but in an environment that could be more challenged.
Our target levels will also change as a result of that in there just may not be as much.
From our view capital that that's appropriate to dividend out in the future. It was more just calling that out but that's a decision that we'll make.
In the future based on what our capital position it looks like at that point in the outlook from there going forward.
Alright, and then just can you just remind us what are your target levels for capital is it like the color. It sounds like the current level is the right level, we should be thinking about.
We've talked about the framework that we think about is really stated and in excess to pmiers were thinking about a wide range of reasons, why we might want to hold on excess to pmiers.
So we haven't gotten into the details of exactly what that level is but.
The $2 6 billion at the end of the quarter was above our targets and that's really what prompted the discussion with the OCI and internally and ultimately the approval and payment of the $400 million dividend.
Okay and then just my last question on expenses any update.
Our expense outlook.
Yes.
And how should we think about next year or two if you could just talk about that a little bit too.
So full year in January we talked about.
Our full year $225 million to $230 million range I think.
Owing to a couple of factors, we're likely to end up at the <unk>.
High end or maybe just above the high end of that range. The biggest drivers. So far this year, our performance based compensation due to our ROE being so much higher than we would've expected or higher.
And then within the 10-Q there is also some additional information, but we did have in the third quarter, our settlement accounting charge related to our pension plan that generated about $6 million of expense. So.
Those things are impacting 2022.
Relative to 2023, I do expect that on our Q4 earnings call, we'll be able to provide kind of some some better guidance put a finer point on it but.
At this point I think we're thinking something in line to slightly less than where we are in 2022.
Thank you so much.
Yeah.
Thank you.
And our next question comes from Geoffrey Dunn of Dowling. Your line is open go ahead.
Thanks, Good morning.
Nathan I think we have to look back to the mid two thousands for the last time, we saw this.
With investment yields above 4%.
Given where new money is today and the turnover your portfolio if conditions are sustained could we be seeing that again within the next two years.
Hi.
Yes, I think right now.
Reinvestment rates are actually even quite a bit higher than 4%. If you assume that those rates the rate environment and the spread environment doesn't change for the next two years.
I do think you will start to see the all in book yields approaching 4% in two years, but some of that will have to do with.
What we want to do with the operating cash we want to retain it to invest or like we've done pay down debt or our other uses of cash, but the reinvestment opportunity for kind of the strong positive cash flows that we continue to generate on a quarterly basis.
Really haven't seen an opportunity like this as you mentioned.
Okay, and then just trying to put a point on the Holdco cash have you changed your your your multiple targets in terms of the coverage ratio.
Emily at all or is it still the.
Three years of interest both on your depths.
Yes, we will.
Really haven't gotten into all the details of how we think about the liquidity targets, but I think.
Certainly with the actions that we've taken the continued.
Share repurchases.
Our levels of liquidity are above our targets at the holding company.
$400 million dividend that we just paid does give us additional flexibility, but as we've talked about more in the last year, we don't expect to pay quarterly dividends going forward, we expect them to be more AD hoc. So we need to think about the money at the holding company as being being something not just for the next quarter, but for a longer period of time.
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Okay. Thanks.
Thanks, Jeff.
Thank you very much there are no further questions. So I will now turn it back over to management for closing remarks.
Thanks, Curt I appreciate everyone's interest in MGIC, another phenomenal quarter and look forward to talking to all of you in the near future.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating we will now disconnect.
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