Q3 2022 Sleep Number Corp Earnings Call
Uncertainties outlined in our earnings news release and discussed in some detail in our annual report on Form 10-K, and other periodic filings with the SEC the company's actual future results may vary materially.
I'll now turn the call over to Shelly for her comments.
Good afternoon, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2022 earnings call. My sleep IQ score was 77 last night.
Our purpose combined with our culture individuality and wellbeing are competitive strength they drive high team engagement best in class commitment and effort to perform.
These attributes are essential in this challenging macro environment.
Today, we will provide an update on how macro and supply challenges are pressuring our 2022 results and the factors, causing a shortfall to prior expectations.
We will also describe actions, we're taking to reduce costs in this inflationary environment preserve our balance sheet flexibility navigate supply constraints and strengthen demand.
And I'll highlight how we are sustaining strong brand health and judiciously prioritizing strategic initiatives that will enable us to outperform as the environment improves.
External business conditions worsened in the third quarter, which had a direct.
Occasions for our results and outlook.
Third quarter net sales were $541 million a decline of 16% from 2021.
Because of constrained supply of semiconductor chips.
And consumer sentiment near record lows.
Q3, operating profit was $13 million, reflecting significant gross margin pressure with operating expenses down $27 million.
Third quarter earnings per diluted share were <unk> 22, better than we previously guided with the additional pressures.
We expect the consumer environment to remain challenging for the balance of the year and into 2023. In addition, several years into the pandemic single threaded global supply chain built for specialization and cost optimization remains fragile.
Bill.
And easily deep destabilize by event as simple as an equipment failure or as significant as the geo political shock COVID-19 lockdown or natural disaster.
With global inventory of semi conductors depleted uneven and interrupted chip flow continues to affect sleep number delivery timelines and value.
Operating efficiency and forecast.
Based on these ongoing pressures, we have revised our 2022 EPS outlook to $1 50 to $2.
Our strong balance sheet enables us to operate effectively through this volatility while also maintaining our long term focus.
Additionally, we are taking deliberate steps to reduce further costs and preserve future financial flexibility in this operating environment.
David will provide more financial details in his remarks, but first I will share. The actions we are taking to improve demand as we navigate the constrained and uneven flow of semi conductor chips from our supplier.
Our demand in Q3 was down 16%, which was lower than expected as consumers purchase closer to need.
And the long dated consideration.
And Favre extraordinary value.
We also believe that operating without our full assortment of products and long lead times are hampering demand.
In this environment our actions have produced mixed results. For example, we had strong results over the labor day weekend when consumer need was the highest.
But experienced weaker than expected results, both before and after the holiday.
Curious what we have learned.
Our econometric model continues to be an important tool.
Suggests that the low consumer sentiment and mattress category variables indicate a 15% headwind.
While the consumer is understandably cautious in the current economic environment, Our brand health remains strong and our customer loyalty is stellar.
Digital traffic is near prior year levels down 2%.
But the consumer is slow to take additional steps leading to purchase.
Therefore, we focused on actions such as <unk>.
Such as significant value offers referral and repeat sales and communicating our strong health and wellness benefits to drive potential customers deeper into the purchase funnel.
Because we have not been able to procure enough semiconductor chips one of our headwinds is our inability to offer customers are good in better assortment of flex the adjustable smart basis.
As the macro environment has deteriorated these chips shortage implications on our product offerings and the delivery timing limitations have heading adverse impact on the efficiency and effectiveness of our demand action.
With our balance short and long term focus and guided by our purpose. We continue to prioritize life changing sleep innovations that position us to generate renewed demand growth once conditions improve.
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On October 4th we introduced the greatest innovation in our history. The climate 360, smart bed, which we pre sold to our smart sleeper community while climate $3 60 represents as expected a small part of our overall portfolio. We're really excited to see the early sale of the smart bed.
Climate, 360 addresses being too hot or too cold.
Turning suites with active cooling and heating this is meaningful as 80% of couples stay one of them leads too hot or too cold in addition to warranty.
To help you fall asleep faster this innovative smart bed uses ambient air to create a personalized microclimate. It is designed to work with your body's natural sleep cycles to balance your temperature for deeper better sleep.
We remain focused on innovation that improves quality suite, even as we take deliberate actions to address near term weakness in demand is what sustained our strong brand health and smart sleeper engagement, we had almost $2 4 million active smart.
Sweepers engaging with our smart beds, representing over 2 billion sessions and more than 17 billion hours of longitudinal sleep data on.
Our monthly average user engagement with the sleep health features of our smart beds remains at near all time highs.
With climate $3 60.
Implemented our new smart bed platform.
With technology that will support our entirely new portfolio.
We expect to fully transition to this new smart bed platform starting in Q2 2023.
Importantly, our newest smart beds are designed with fewer components and they utilized newer more readily available semiconductor chips.
These innovations are critical to our ability to move beyond the persistent supply chain disruptions caused by current chip inventory issues, while also driving demand.
Our teams are tenacious in their pursuit of solutions that improved demand margin in supply with the expected chip flow in December and into 2023, we plan to restore our good and better assortment of flex fit smart.
It gives me flex petsmart adjustable basis in January .
By the end of this year, we will achieve a major milestone with the completion of our multiyear journey to 100% pre assembled smart beds.
Next year, we will continue to improve rapid recovery when there are changes to customer orders and advance efforts to reduce ply chain inefficiency.
Improving our gross margin rate is a key initiative for 2023 and beyond.
Our purpose to improve the health and wellbeing of society through higher quality sleep inspires our team everyday to navigate the difficult business conditions precipitated by the current macro environment.
Their adaptability and resourcefulness and unrelenting persistence are remarkable and greatly appreciated.
We continue to prioritize actions to navigate the current external challenges, while pursuing significant strategic long term opportunities we.
We are strengthening our brand and competitive mode, delivering compelling value to consumers pioneering new life, changing sleep innovations and advancing our potential for future profitable growth as the economy recovers.
Now David will provide additional detail on the third quarter and outlook for the remainder of the year.
Thank you Shelly.
Thank you.
Macro pressures intensified in Q3 on all three fronts demand chip supply and Cogs input costs.
As a result, we further reduced our 2022 EPS expectations to a range of $1 50 to $2.
Specifically demand worsened in Q3 to down 16% versus last year, despite a solid liberated.
Current performance reflects a more reluctant consumer with a strong preference for value offerings, which negatively affected mix and margin.
We now expect Q4 demand to be down mid teens year over year and have reflected this in our updated EPS guidance.
Chip supply expectations for Q4 also worsened.
About 15000 ships from one supplier are now expected to come too late to support Q4 deliveries, which will be constrained to about 90 to 95000 smart beds.
As a result of the assumed changes in demand and supply we now expect less backlog benefit in 2022 back half net sales.
While our backlog is primarily dependent on the timing and volumes of demand and supply is also subject to disruptions like weather and labor availability.
Our revised guidance assumes back half net sales of approximately $80 million less than our previous call assumption with about half each from lower demand and less backlog service.
Cogs input costs were also higher than expected as we prioritized customer experience and value.
This results in expedited freight to pull forward ship receipts to the earliest possible date brokerage part premiums unfavorable mix and in efficient operations from uneven chip flow.
As a result gross margin in the back half of 2022 is expected to be about 56% or 200 basis points lower than the first half and our previous expectations.
As we wrap up a challenging 2022.
We are reducing operating expenses about $150 million versus plans across all areas of the business.
About 40% of these reductions are variable costs, primarily in selling media and financing.
About 30% come from structural reductions and suspension of lower ROI initiatives and.
And about 30%.
From lower companywide incentive program costs.
Specific actions include the pausing of lower priority strategic brand support significant reduction of professional services and consulting work.
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We are working additional contingencies as we continue to consider further cost reductions in this uncertain environment.
Let's take a deeper look into our Q3 financial results.
Semi semi.
Semiconductor chip supply constrained Q3 deliveries for the fourth consecutive quarter.
This combined with 16% lower year over year demand resulted in net sales of $541 million.
A 16% year over year decline.
However, the 106000 smart beds delivered in the quarter was 5000 more than our internal forecast.
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Our third quarter gross margin of 56, 1% was down 490 basis points versus the prior year.
This was the result of 17% lowered delivered smart bed volume inefficient chip flow and lower mix.
Grappling with both insufficient and uneven chip slow as we prioritized customer experience drove elevated use of air freight systemwide expediting cost inefficient labor utilization and high cost brokerage electronic parts to fill supply gaps.
Clearly we are not satisfied with our margins this year.
Over time, we expect to drive demand and margin with our game changing new innovations.
Bob back about 30% of the $160 million to $170 million of annualized input cost pressures.
And be more efficient through our move to 100% fully pre assembled beds and level loaded operations enabled by improved chip supply and flow.
Operating expenses of $290 million.
We're down $27 million versus the prior year, and 60 basis points better than forecast as a percent of net sales, while absorbing unfavorable customer finance financing cost and less efficient media.
Selling G&A and R&D costs were all favorable to forecast due to spending controls and lower incentive compensation.
Innovation initiatives are on track, including the on time launch of our climate 360, smart bed and preparation for our latest upgrades to a full line of 360 smart beds in the first half next year.
Net operating profit of $13 million in Q3 was two 3% of net sales as cost controls, partially offset the pressures on costs and sales from disruptive chip supply.
Our 22 of Q3 earnings per share exceeded our guidance for breakeven profits as expense controls and higher than expected smart, but deliveries more than offset higher than expected Cogs pressures.
We generated $80 million in cash from operations year to date, despite the macro pressures on our business.
At the end of Q3, we had more than $410 million of liquidity available under our credit facility.
After four consecutive quarters of disrupted chip supply we ended Q3 with leverage of 399 times EBITDAR.
While our forecast and revived got revised guidance indicate our leverage will remain below four five times EBITDAR, we proactively increased our leverage covenant to five times through the first half of 2023.
This facility Amendment provides additional cushion to navigate current disruptions and was prudent given continued macro uncertainties.
We are building our financial plans for 2023 and will provide insights on our fourth quarter earnings call.
In the meantime here are some top of mind broad assumptions as we contemplate next year.
We are taking actions on cost and liquidity to ensure we thrive on the other side of current macro constraints on the business.
Consumer sentiment is likely to be pressured at least through the first half of next year.
We expect improved chip supply next year based on our move to new products and early data exchanges with key third tier chip suppliers.
Pursuit of sleep, improving innovations continues to be a top priority.
We expect to introduce our new line of 360 smart beds late in the first half progressing the opportunity for sleep health and wellness insights based on sleep data available nowhere else.
And while we are taking actions to improve performance and margins, while reducing cost structure incentive comp program costs and interest costs will be headwinds in 2023.
Our long term strategic initiatives are intact to enable breakthrough growth and profits as macro pressures subside.
We continue to aggressively navigate near term risks as we pursue long term opportunities to drive outsized performance as we improve lives with proven quality sleep solutions.
Operator, please open the line for questions.
If you would like to ask a question. During this time simply press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad.
We will pause for just a moment to compile the question and answer roster.
Your first question comes from the line of.
Todd Thomas from Keybanc capital markets. Your line is open.
Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for all the detail and thanks for taking my question.
I wanted to.
First start off with just a question around the backlog and hoping you could provide a little more color around.
Where that is today in dollars I think if I'm. If my notes are accurate you were at about $110 million.
Last quarter. So just wondering where you are today, what the guidance range contemplates in terms of where you'll be.
At the end of the year.
Sure Brad glad to provide additional color we ended this quarter with about $100 million.
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Where we go from here is dependent as always.
As I've tried to communicate.
On a number of factors, primarily the timing and volume of sales and the timing.
And volume of deliveries.
And that can also be affected by things like weather as we saw with hurricane in Q3 had a little bit of an effect on deliveries in.
Florida.
And then labor availability as always it can be a constraint as well.
That's how we're thinking about it right now and we'll keep you updated as we go through the year.
And then David could you just remind me.
The net unusual elevation in level versus a normal backlog. So whatever you end this year at.
There's still the potential that you have more that could be a benefit to sales in 2023 by that by that magnitude is that right.
Yes, that's exactly right Brad.
On the previous call in the last call. We had indicated that we have.
We're expecting an improvement in our <unk>.
Flow and total chips available for Q4 that would help us.
With about 15% to 20% more deliveries in Q4 than in Q3.
That didn't happen and so as a result, we're expecting less backlog benefited in the fourth quarter in the back half in total.
Great.
Okay.
Real estate sitting here with the demand trends tracking where they're tracking.
You talked a little bit about.
What youre doing in terms of lease signings and how youre thinking about 2023 at this point.
Well.
Yeah.
We are as always very happy with our market expansion initiatives.
Initiatives in the payback on our store investments continue to be very very fast.
And we still are finding great opportunities in the marketplace.
We haven't put together a full plan for 2023 at this point Brad.
We will provide you some additional insights in the.
The Q4 call.
We are of course in appropriately conservative in the sense that we want to drive as much business through existing stores as we can.
And because comp sales are always more profitable than new store sales, but.
But at the same time, that's a that's a lever that we'll continue to invest in as one of our growth drivers over the long term again I will provide you more specific insights for for next year on the Q4 call.
Great. Thanks, David I'll turn it over to others.
Thanks, Brad.
Your next question comes from the line of Peter Keith from Piper Sandler Your line is open.
Hi, This is Matt <unk> on for Peter Thanks for taking our question.
Two quick ones for me.
Just curious if theres been any change or increase in either cancellations or conversion rate.
And then secondly.
I think you've talked about.
We plan to transition from free.
Subscription model.
With your sleep.
Just curious what that will look like from maybe from the consumer perspective.
So I can.
Do my best to tackle some of this but.
I think youre breaking up a little bit on the last question, but I think I got it but the first one about cancels and conversion.
We have not.
Seen any meaningful change in our cancel rates.
Despite having.
A longer than normal lead times and wait periods for our customers to get their life changing smart beds.
But that's something that we watch really carefully on an ongoing basis.
Conversion rates continue to be very high consumers are doing a lot of research before they ever come into our stores.
And our teams are.
Great.
Getting them into some amazing products.
And then on your comment about the subscription model, that's not something that we have rolled out yet at all thats something that we.
Have hinted that debt.
Our future technologies give us insights that might enable something like that but thats not something were.
We're providing any guidance for at this point.
Yeah I appreciate it I guess.
I was just curious.
What that might look like.
If you did go down that route.
Well, you may be referring to us moving.
<unk>, our new platform, which enables broader capabilities, including diagnostics and monitoring and that.
The door for a subscription.
In different ways, and so that's a future opportunity for us for sure.
Understood.
The next question. Thanks.
Okay.
Your next question comes from the line of Bobby Griffin from Raymond James.
Your line is open.
Good afternoon, Thanks for taking my questions.
Hey.
I guess the first question is this.
You guys over delivered on units versus the internal guide by five 6000, or so but then we're hearing that the chip constraint got worse. So just help me connect.
That app.
Over delivering versus the guide on unit two.
Ill, probably imply that things got a little better but.
Going forward it looks like it didn't help connect that.
Absolutely Bob.
So there are two different things, we're talking about relative.
Relative to what we were expecting in terms of smart bed deliveries in the third quarter. We got about 5000 more beds delivered in the quarter than what we had hoped.
We're going to be able to get out.
That's the slight improvement in in the third quarter.
And it just take a second to.
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A reminder, that the leverage of this business model when we get just.
Small incremental benefit of Av.
More units through the through the model just how much more profitability gets because I had guided.
Color that we were expecting to be about breakeven for the quarter. So just keeping that in mind now, let's turn to Q4 expectations as I said on my Q2 call comments, we were expecting enough chips and the flow of those shifts the timing of that flow of chips to be early enough in the <unk>.
Order to get 15% to 20% more deliveries out the door in Q4.
The reality has turned that that's not going to happen that the shifts that we're getting are coming too late in the quarter about 15000 of them. In fact are coming too late in December for us to be able to.
Get the deliveries out the door that we were expecting previously so thats what were talking about the slight.
A slight improvement in Q3 and worse outlook for Q4.
Bobby for being in this.
Situation of having no inventory of chip.
So of chip is everything and we have worked.
Yes.
All 24 seven.
Im trying to get incremental improvements, even the smallest improvement in <unk>.
Made some headway, but not the headway we needed to.
Now sitting where we are.
It's back loaded in the fourth quarter it does set us up.
And we'll actually have enough chip to be able to bring back the flex fit one in the flex that too.
And those two skus good in better in this environment are really important for our smart bed system that focuses on Nord and.
Temperature benefits et cetera, and and also support our our flex tap.
Which is a really important SKU as well so.
We'll have them heading into Q1 and the commitment we have for low in Q1 opens up the pathway for us to level load and not have the kind of inefficiencies that we had that we have right now in the fourth quarter, which is driving.
This change in guidance I mean chips are are impacting the supply the debt cost and the demand right now and.
We really look forward to getting beyond.
And having this be such a barrier for us and and have it be the important aspect of innovation.
That it was designed to be it.
It's still in the long run, having smart beds and having the capabilities that we do for our future.
It's where we're going to deliver superior shareholder returns and we're very confident in that path and we're also confident in our ability to work through.
The current situation where experienced as a management team we know how to do this.
And we'll handle it and look forward to being in a different environment and being able to benefit from all the innovative work that we've done.
Thank you so I appreciate that and I guess lastly for me and it's kind of a two part question but.
It relates together, David if we look at this year.
And we wanted to kind of levels that the model for next year ourselves on a unit basis.
Backlog, while it is still a excess did go down this year. So like should we strip out some units and say like Hey, this year benefited from Xbox backlog delivery than kind of go from there to particular demand next year or.
Should we think about this year's unit number and then what does the guide imply excess backlog in that this year is that 175 or if you hit your guide days at 100.
Yes.
Well predicting backlog is always a challenge in.
If you go back in time, and the way back machine, Bobby we never even talked about backlog we've been doing it.
Since Q3 last year because of the.
The supply challenges that we've been living with but nonetheless.
I would to answer your question directly.
Im not prepared to give you guidance for next year I would say that there.
We still do expect in the current.
Guidance to get some benefit from excess backlog.
In.
This year, it's meaningfully less than what it was before.
As I said high loaded I'm expecting.
In the back half about $80 million less net sales and half of that is coming from in <unk>.
I'm talking about in the back half half of that is coming from less backlog service. So we as you recall on the Q2 call I think I highlighted that we were.
We had gone from $150 million of excess backlog and net sales equivalent excess backlog down to 110, So we got about $40 million in the first half.
And.
And something less than what we had thought for the back half so.
We're carrying some of that excess backlog into 2023.
And we will provide some additional color on 'twenty three on the Q4 call.
Okay. Thank you David Thank you, Sean I'll jump back in and best of luck Alright. Thanks Bobby.
Your next question comes from the line of.
Seth Basham from Wedbush Securities. Your line is open.
Thanks, a lot and good afternoon. My questions are really around the demand trends and the outlook. If you could give us some more color on what you think drove better demand over labor day and why it has since deteriorated and then how you're thinking about demand growth in 'twenty three that would be great.
Yes Seth.
One of the one of the behaviors that we have seen from the consumer in this dip.
Difficult low sentiment environment is to purchase is closer to need.
I think that really played out for the labor day event, because we saw weakness before and then you know.
And on plan.
Long weekend, which those are the biggest days.
And then weakness afterwards, and so that the customers certainly purchased close to need.
And then we also have had the various interest rate hikes on both ends of the labor day and we.
We see we see pressure on the consumer sentiment with.
That inflationary behavior.
And worry.
And a lot of the.
Traffic to the brand is within 2% of prior year, but she is not coming through the purchase funnel and not she's not getting all the way to store traffic and purchase Theres just a much more much smaller.
Base of customers doing tailwind when we do have that deeper funnel interaction we're driving the conversion.
And that is this is a has been a really difficult environment and then we.
We have some additional pressures with having smart bed and.
Having the longer lead time, as well as not having our grid and better flex fit assortment.
With that kind of consumer environment has been difficult.
Looking forward to bringing them back into the line in January and being able to benefit from our smart system as designed.
And then you see.
End of your question was about demand for 2023, we're not providing official guidance. It did provide you with a couple of points that were excited about our innovations that we're bringing to bring to bear.
So talking about eliminating some of these headaches from the chip supply and hopefully in 2023 with some improved chip flow and total supply.
And.
But at the same time, we we believe that the consumer sentiment will be pressured at least through the first half next year. So we're taking all of those things into account and we will give you some specific.
Color on the Q4 call.
Got it and just a follow up on the demand in the quarter third quarter with consumers shifting their focus market value are you sure that your demand was meaningfully pressured by long lead times on the high end adjustable basis.
Well I mean.
I think it's a factor I'm, not saying I'm not attributing all of it to to that and the.
Long lead times has been across the line right now we're at two to three weeks so.
It's more more balanced for sure and the.
The flex it one in the flex fit two bases are important absolutely.
Absolutely to our assortment and we see.
Theme, we've seen a change since the consumer sentiment dropped by.
By not having them in our assortment.
And.
We had we had to take them out of the assortment almost a year ago and we were the demand wasn't as impacted as it has been since the sentiment dropped so low.
Got it Okay. One last follow up question for David just in terms of the balance sheet looking at the changes you made to the credit line agreement the covenant the thing up five.
5% or leverage what else changed in that agreement that you guys have.
Accrue a higher interest rate for that line or anything else.
We do if we if the leverage goes above four and a half I think there is an additional green.
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In the interest rate.
Table, that's I think it's 50 basis points higher interest rate. So if you go above four five times leverage.
The others were.
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Additional considerations for things like administrative elements, we change to sulfur from LIBOR and we.
I made an allowance for share repurchases to cover.
Tax withholdings for employees that are acting on option option exercises and stuff like that so it's a de minimis amount of shares that are covered for the sake of our employees.
Our team members sorry.
Those are about the.
The primary thing there was also a placeholder bucket that we put in place for.
Potentially if we were to Florida.
Good afternoon acquisition wanted to make sure that we had a placeholder in there for that.
Thank you.
Sure SaaS one other add on the demand that may be helpful. In Q3 is the category the mattress category.
Was quite pressured on organic search and.
Down 16% so.
Category was certainly pressured.
We we had.
We had we had stronger digital traffic to our brand.
But you can see the entire category did.
Understood. Thanks again.
Thanks, Ed.
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Your next question comes from the line of.
Sure.
Sorry from UBS Your line is open.
Good evening. This is actually Michael Lasser on behalf of two months' worth.
My first question is on the supply chain piece.
Maybe there's been any indications that the global supply chain has been.
Moving as of late especially for those that have been made.
Particularly impacted by it.
Thank you your impact from a supply chain is getting worse when others are getting better.
Well, Michael I think.
What we are talking about is limited to one specific thing that is semiconductor chips.
Supply of <unk>.
Virtually everything else, we the components that we need for our product.
We have ample supply for.
So supply of semiconductor chips continues to be a problem for most everybody that I'm reading about anyway.
And.
Our.
Our supplier is in our direct supplier, there's a third tier supplier and so we've established relationships with them. We are exchanging data on a regular basis, having regular multiple calls per week with a third tier supplier. Because this has been so important and frankly they've been.
Good partner they are trying to help us, but they are managing their way through some challenging things as well.
We are starting to see some slight improvements we got 5000 more beds delivered in Q3 for example, and as Shelly highlighted we are going to get.
Some some solid ship chip deliveries in late in Q4, that's going to enable us to.
Bring back a couple of important.
Elements of our product offering starting next year, and we're saying that we see.
2023, chip supply being better than what we've been dealing with here in 'twenty two so I hope that frames. It up for you Michael I think broadly our supply chain is in pretty great shape. It's really focused on this chip supply problem that we've been dealing.
With.
Yeah ill, maybe add a couple of points Michael.
Allocation that we expected of semiconductor chips.
Largely on for this year.
Slow the disruptive flow.
There, we have inefficiency and we have gaps between receipt of chips is very costly and that that has extended lead times and it has all kinds of implications and shifts.
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So it's all about the flow and the semiconductor industry remains very fragile because it doesn't have inventory.
Your system, so when a very small event happens like a production.
Hi.
And the equipment failure.
It could be a 10 day delay, which can result in.
Three months delay throughout the entire global supply chain. So.
No.
It's certainly much bigger than us.
We're a part of it because we have smart beds.
Yes, I don't our in a similar position.
My follow up question is how does.
Variant of this quarter next quarter, the last quarter, how does that influence the long term margin outlook for sleep number.
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The company had a 5% to 6% operating margin.
Lower than that because.
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On incremental sales, it's going to take a while to get there.
Well Michael your premise is mistaken, let's just start there our customer load.
Realty and brand level has been very strong according to the metrics and what we're hearing.
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Just to get your.
Answer to your question.
We're not satisfied with where our margins are either gross margins or MLP.
Frankly, it started when we started to have these massive influx of input cost inflation, let's call. It a 160 to 170 basis points or basis points of pressures excuse me 160 $170 million worth of pressure annualized.
And we.
We said that we think about 30% of those we will be able to claw back at some point in the future we've taken steps to offset.
The dollar impact of that was about call it $180 million worth of pricing increases on a gross basis.
But even when you do that Michael when you look at the math that puts pressure of nearly 400 basis points.
The gross margin line and call it 200 basis points at the operating profit line.
On a rate basis is protect the dollars, but hurts your rates eventually when we have full.
Irregular flow of our chip supply and consumer sentiment isn't.
At or near record lows.
We will we will continue to drive innovation and performance that that delivers superior shareholder value.
We are excited about where the future is as Gerry highlighted the innovations we're launching right now with the climate 360, the new platform that supports our new 360 beds next year does set the stage for some pretty incredible health and wellness opportunities as we go into the future as well, which will help us drive even.
Operating profit rates going forward.
Okay.
Thank you very much and good luck.
Thanks.
Yes.
Sure.
There are no further questions at this time I would like to turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks.
Thank you for joining us today, we will be releasing our fourth quarter results in February sleep, well and dream Big.
This concludes today's conference call you may now disconnect.