Q3 2022 Insight Enterprises Inc Earnings Call
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Welcome everyone and thank you for joining the insight enterprises earnings conference call today.
Today, we will be discussing the companies operating results for the quarter ended September 30th 2022.
I'm, James Morgado, Senior Vice President Finance C F O of insight North America.
So what do you mean is Joyce <unk>, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Glenn is Brian Chief Financial Officer.
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With that I will now turn the call over to Joyce and if you're following along with a slide presentation will begin applied for joy.
Thank you very much James good morning, everyone and thank you for joining US today, It's my pleasure to report that we delivered another corner a solid results and despite the economic volatility the year is shaping up as expected.
We had another quarter of double digit year over year gross profit growth driven by 20 per cent 27 per cent broken cloud.
Our gross margin expanded 90 basis points over the last year to 15.8% in total gross profit grew 10% year over year and 11% on a constant currency basis.
Alright, gestured earnings from operations of $170 million grew 14% compared to last year and 16% on a constant currency basis.
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<unk> operating cash flows at $236 million in the quarter.
October 11th we hosted an Investor day at NASDAQ and shows and shared our bold and very intentional strategy.
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We do this by bringing together are strengthened hardware software and services to create solutions that drive business outcomes for our clients and increased value for our shareholders.
Our execution of the strategy is focused on four pillars captivate clients sell solutions delivered differentiation and champion our culture, Let me briefly cover the key points each pillar.
First captivate clients. This is a people and outcome focus business. We will drive continued improvement in M. P. S are measure client satisfaction.
Living exceptional results for that <unk>.
In addition, our investments and e-commerce, and automation will allow our clients to get answers and transact faster via self service.
Second <unk> solutions, we are transforming our sales capabilities to improve our team's ability to represent our robust solutions portfolio. We will continue to streamline her account coverage to match skills with client needs and propensity to buy services and we are redefining our compensation plans to focus on surfing services.
Installations.
Third deliver differentiation.
This is all about providing innovative scalable solutions through reusable I P exceptional technical talent and are very compelling solutions portfolio.
And fourth champion our culture. This has been a strategic advantage for us and we will continue to leverage our values of hunger heart and harmony to evolve our high performance culture.
We plan to accelerate everything I, just mentioned to our intentional M&A strategy focused on strength strengthening the breath of our submissions capabilities and opportunistically, adding scale.
We also shared key performance indicators that we will use to track a performance towards our goals over the next five years and we will report on these kpis quarterly we.
We expect to grow faster than the market growing cloud and insight core services gross profit, even faster and to drive EBIT margin to 6.5% to 7%.
We believe these ambitious goals are achievable because inside has been building very specific capabilities and the fastest growing areas of the market in the areas, where our clients need the motel cloud data a cyber edge.
Over the past decade, our leaders had the foresight to pull together capabilities through acquisitions and organic investments that position insight. Unlike any other company.
<unk> has been ahead of the curve for many years and we intend to widen that lead.
So let me give you a couple of specific examples of where we've put these strategic pillars into action.
When I talk about captivating sign up I mean, becoming a partner clients cannot live without because we deliver exceptional value.
Oh, hi, like one client one of the largest grocery chains in the country over the last few years there industry has gone through significant disruptions, including of course the supply chain.
As a grocer they have access to a wealth of data around custom consumer buying patterns and supply chain pricing and their management had a strategic goal to deliver 50 per cent of their growth from digital sources.
Our first task was together all their data in a way that.
First allowed them to optimize their decision, making and second could also be mild monetize insult consumer goods manufacturers.
The next task was to put some of that data to work within their stores to create intelligent shelving to alleviate the manually intensive process of changing prices.
Create a digital pricing, allowing the client to respond in near real time to changes in consumer demand as well as the supply environment.
And another aspect of this project, we installed sensors that support sustainability, such as giving the lights if customers are not in an aisle or adjusting temperatures in the freezer remotely.
Clients digital transformation did not stop in the grocery aisles.
Also have an initiative to introduce health clinics in their stores and reached out to incite to build their mobile health at the application, which is transformed how they engage with their customers.
As I said earlier, we want to be a partner our clients can't live without and this is an example of just that a longterm client. We have worked with for over 10 years to turn to us to help solve some of their most critical transformation needs.
Delivering differentiated solutions is another pillar of our strategy and a great example of this pillar is inaction is a recent cloud migration project, we did with one of the largest emergency service providers in the country.
One is all about helping the emergency services team literally save lives.
Our client was operating a legacy data system in one to shift to cloud based infrastructure. They needed a solution to manage hundreds of millions of pieces of incoming data such as an emergency calls data from first responders and G. P. S tracked equipment. The client wanted a unified view of all incoming data an emergency events with the ability to read.
Court and facilitate decision making in real time.
We utilize the combination of solutions, including your own I P. A tool called <unk>.
Well it can work it leading technologies, including date of bricks and power B I take celebrate the project delivery for months two weeks, we developed real time dashboard that showed the placement of vehicles and personnel using G. P. S trackers, allowing them to make rapid decisions on resource and equipment appointment and.
And the results were impressive we improve the staging of 15000 vehicles in assets, leading to two times faster emergency response time.
And improve safety and services for more than 4 million people.
Delivering these kinds of results to our clients who are working so hard to support their customers and citizens is why all of US an insight come to work everyday accelerating transformation to unlock the power of people and technology.
Delivering differentiation is about exceptional technical talent and it didn't type we have a global team was more than 5500 technical experts spanning multiple disciplines. These.
<unk> inside architects developers and engineers, who skills are defining the future of our company and the successful outcomes for our clients what part of insight six Daniel mastery coverage.
This conference gathers our technical talent and industry leaders from across the globe to discuss best practices and to accelerate digital transformation for modern businesses and organizations.
Further showcasing the talent of our team we recently named as a visionary and the 2022 Gartner Magic Quadrate for software asset management managed services.
In fact, Gartner in forest or have also recognized our technological leadership and as your migration and modern workplace in a ditch. In addition to software asset manage manage services.
Our teammates put their hearts and souls into delivering a great client experience. The successful execution of the solutions, we offer to our clients cannot be accomplished without the expertise of our teammates and that's why we're so proud to be recognized by Forbes is one of America's best employers as a top 25 best.
Workplaces in Europe , and the best place to work for disability inclusion on the disability infusion index.
Before I hand, the call over to Glynis I'd like to summarize despite macroeconomic conditions, we continued to put to deliver on our expectations. We had another solid financial quarter with gross profit growth and continued strength and cloud and.
Or Investor day, we outlander strategy to become the leading solutions integrator by captivating the hearts and minds of our clients selling <unk> selling solutions, given the strength of our portfolio delivering differentiation through innovative scalable solutions with exceptional talent and building on inside strong culture and values.
Now with him to call over to Glenn is to review the details of appropriate financial performance.
Thanks Joyce.
It's Joyce mentioned, we are on track to deliver 2022 resolved is expected in the third quarter, we have double digit growth in cloud gross profit and we expanded gross margin and E. S. L margin as well as generated cash and a quarter.
As we had discussed last quarter hardware and particularly the devices slowed during the quarter was improve supply chain and will normalize demand a bad cough for devices Flushing as expected.
Conversely, the supply chain for networking and infrastructure, while improving still remains extended and we exited the third quarter with backlog in these areas at an all time high.
Inflation continues to fuel macroeconomic concern and interest rates are higher and be seen in decades.
In the third quarter, we recommend interest expense it impacted adjusted diluted earnings per share by approximately five cents.
<unk> alright interest rates are about you'd be out to somebody over prior year.
Additionally, certain <unk> currencies, particularly the euro and the British pound Sterling continues to depreciate against the dollar.
In the third quarter, primarily in the immediate region. We recognize currency loss is that impacted or just diluted earnings per share by approximately five cents, mostly related to the British sounds dropping.
Now moving onto a consolidated with up to the third quarter, which can be found any accompany earnings presentation, starting on slide nine.
Net sales in the third quarter, where $2.5 billion of six per cent in constant currency and a 4% in U S dollars compared to a very strong the third quarter of 2021.
Gross profit of $399 million for the third quarter increased 11% in constant currency and 10% in U S dollars compared to the prior year.
Insight Court services gross profit for the three months ended September 30th with $69 million Uhm, 9% some car ear.
Core services.
Defined as services, we deliver and manage on behalf of our plans.
Our tribe gross profit for the three months of $82 million grew by 27 per cent.
Gross profit.
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Driven by growth in sales the software and improve margins at hardware net sales, which expanded with higher margin infrastructure sales and lower devices.
San Francisco's profit increased 10% year over year, driven by goes in cycles services and cloud services.
SG&A for the third quarter, Itchy and expenses for the third quarter, where up 12% year over year in constant currency and a 10% and your phone.
As a percentage of net sales they'll suggested SG&A and S. G any of the gap basis or 12% versus 11% in the prior year quarter.
I just it earns from operations for the third quarter or $107 million of 16 per cent you over here in constant currency and a 14 per cent to you a dollar terms.
<unk> for the third quarter earnings from operations increased 9% to $90 million.
For the third quarter, adjusted EBITDA with $112 million, an increase of 11 per cent you over here and adjusted EBITDA. Martin was 444 per cent 30 basis points overpower ear.
For the third quarter I, just did earnings per share with $1.99 of eight per cent in constant currency and six per cent of the newest <unk> you're over here as I. Previously mentioned this includes the impact of foreign currency foreign exchange losses, and higher interest rates are approximately 10 cents.
I'm gonna get basis for the quarter diluted earnings per share with $1.58, an increase to five per cent.
Ah consolidated rebel controlling 12 months and it's September 30th 2022 are as follows net sales were $10.5 billion up to 15%.
Profit was $1.6 billion up.
14% of course services gross profit with $246 million up 14.
14 per cent.
Ah cloud gross pocket with $312 million up 23% and was 19 Precisive consolidated gross profit.
140 basis points from prior you.
Gross margin with 50.3% flat compared to Cartier.
S. J makes message were up 11% year over year, just primarily about high personnel and variable compensation costs.
<unk> earnings from operations were $441 million up 25 per cent.
On a gap basis.
Earnings from operations increased 22% to $393 million <unk>.
Just an EBITDA was $466 million, an increase of 14 per cent and adjusted EBITDA Martin was 4.4% a 30 basis points.
I just the diluted earnings per share it was $8.61 up 26% on.
On a gaffe basis for the quarter diluted earnings per share for $7.22, an increase of 25 per cent.
Moving on to the <unk> to each about upgrading segments and starting with North America.
The American had a strong third quarter with gross profit increased 12% year over year and gross margins at 15.8% up.
110 basis points, driven primarily by changes in products and services Smith.
<unk> kind of gross profit increased 30 per cent your mirror, driven primarily by higher infrastructure and software.
Services gross profit increased 12% year over year, primarily driven by cloud solutions and inside core services.
Selling and administrative expenses increased 14% year over year, driven by higher personal in variable compensation costs, primarily from her gross profit.
<unk> solutions and services teammates.
I just didn't running some operation to 18% year over year to $99 million camp earnings from operation to 11 per cent, you'll be here to $82 million.
Moving on to India.
Gross profit grew 9% in constant currency, primarily due to increase gross profit from soccer and it sounds <unk>.
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I just did my name's from operations, where $5 million down 8% in constant currency.
Earning some operations declined $60 million a year to $4 million.
Sorry, 16 per cent your ear to $4 million.
To impact gross profit of $50 million increased 21% year over year in constant currency, primarily due to higher amount of o'clock solution. This has led to adjusted earnings from operations of $4 million in the quarter <unk>.
Yeah, I'm, writing some operations bitcoin cheaper sent year to year 214 O $4 million.
Moving onto our tax rates are effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2022 with 25.3 per cent.
To be flat compared to 25.4 cents and 2021.
I just need to discuss some of our second quarter called the <unk>.
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This release the total castle used in operations for the first nine months to $206 million compared to $180 million using the same period 2021.
As we have highlighted previously or cash conversion cycle is inverted, meaning we pay an apartment in terms of sugar and we received payments from our clients.
It allows us to drive more cash flow in Harper grocery salaries, while in periods of hardware more caches used in the operation.
In the first nine months of 2022 the decrease in castle. Some operating activities was primarily driven by growth in hardware that sales and changes in partner mix, including volumes with distributors was early payment terms.
And the third quarter of 2022, and a gap basis are cashing versus cycle was 46 days.
Of 90 days from the third quarter of 2021 and it was also the 70, increasing DSO a.
14 days increases D I O.
Pushing all set by two date increases D. P O.
In 2022, <unk> $59 million in Catholic spend insurance related facility and technology investments.
Reminder, we received $29 million in proceeds from the sale of real estate outfit.
Prior to ear.
We also use $68 million <unk> cash and cash equivalents to purchase <unk>, we did not have any acquisitions in the prior year.
We have $300 million outstanding <unk> under our share repurchase authorization.
We plan to repurchase approximately $200 million about standing chairs beginning in the fourth quarter 2022, I forget the authorization.
At the end of the third quarter, we had a cash balance of $137 million of which $103 million was residents about foreign subsidiaries.
We also have $784 million at that outstanding, including our senior convertible notes at the end of the quarter.
Compared to a prior year quarter and cash balance of $107 million in total <unk> $528 million.
And the third quarter, a convertible notes did not exceed the market price trigger of $88.82 and we're not convertible at the option of the holders as a result, we put some amount was reclassified to not currently my abilities.
Actually think about liquidity were exiting the order with a leveraged physician of less than 1.6 times <unk> cash flows are EBITDA well within her comfort level under our ABL agreement a primary complaints covenants is a fixed charge coverage ratio, which includes trailing 12 month EBITDA coverage.
Capital expenditures taxes and cash interest.
September 30th we're at 3.7 times, the minimum requirement of one point O times, and we're confident we can put a capital requirements and liquidity needs.
We exited Q3 with approximately 1.3 billion dollar 1.8 billion dollar capacity available Andre ABL facility and we have <unk>.
Before we move onto guidance in early October we shared our 2027 kpis at our ambassador and going forward. We will report on progress in these categories. So you can measure we will Puerto results in these categories. So you can measure our progress or 2027 metrics or.
EBITDA margin in the range of five minutes, six and a half to seven per cent return on invested capital greater than 25 per cent.
Cloud gross profit <unk> and high Teen Court gross profit <unk> also in the high teens.
I just did diluted earnings per share cake or approaching 20 per cent and free cash flow is it productive adjusted net income greater than 90 per cent.
Cash will be defined as cashless from operations minus Catholic furniture.
As we think about our guidance for the full year 2022, we expect to deliver low W. Net sales grill, where.
We're raising the lower end of our arrange like 10 cents and expect congested diluted earnings per share for the full year of 2022 to be between $8.65 and $8.75.
It sounded caisson interest expense between $35 million to $40 million and effective tax rate of 25% to 26% for the full year 2022.
Capital expenditures of $65 million to $70 million and then that would share account for the full year of 35.1 to 35.2 million shares after an estimated partial.
Partial completion of our plan to be sure you purchase.
Under our current authorization.
This outlook excuse acquisition related and cancel the expenses of approximately $33 million. It seems no acquisition related or 17 restructuring and transformation expenses.
And it seems no significant change in our debt instruments.
I'm not sure that the call back to Georgia.
Thanks <unk> <unk>.
In closing I would like to thank our teammates for their commitment to our clients partners and each other our clients for trusting insight to help them with their transformational journey our partners for their continued collaboration and support and delivering innovative solutions to our clients.
We have stated our ambition to become the leading solutions integrator to finding a new category in the industry. We have outlined our strategy and we're on our way we're committed to achieve this ambition and deliver even more value to our clients as a modernized and transform.
This concludes my comments and we will now open the line for your questions.
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The first question from Joseph Cardoso from J P. Morgan Chase. Please go ahead.
Thank you good morning, and thanks for the question first one for me can you confirm whether <unk> docket normalised levels of backlog for devices and then just relative to infrastructure specifically are specifically the backlog. There. We noted that were at record levels know however, how should we think about the peak for that you know have we reached that at this point.
And then how should we think about the timeline or I'm, bringing that backlog down and then I have a follow up.
Yeah. So just to start with good morning by the way it just to start with I think what we would say the device backlog is basically yet sort of 2020 levels right. So it's pretty pretty close to normalize by now there are certain certain products that are still unexpectedly times, but by and large then.
That that issue is behind us and from an infrastructure point of view, we are definitely at the highest level of infrastructure backlog ever, but I think in our history for sure and and I don't know, whether we've seen at peak or not it seems like it's flattening <unk>, certainly flattening, but I'm not I I I'd hesitate to <unk>.
Call It peaked yet, but we'll we'll see in this quarter probably.
And and then in terms of when it will clear.
<unk>. This is gonna take some time I think that is gonna be sorta through the first half probably into the third quarter.
Got it and then my follow up it and I think this is more for Gwyneth no cause I'm doing my map right for the mid point of being applied dog preferred to you know I'm getting something that margins are moderating heading into the December quarter. So first can you confirm if I'm thinking about that correctly and then second.
No what's driving that sequential if I am correct, what's driving that sequential margin moderation, particularly given if I look historically insight typically sees modern step up heading into the fourth quarter. Thanks.
So I think I I wouldn't authenticated because margins are moderating I think that we have more expenses below. The line. Then we typically have primarily related to higher interest expense on the that you're thinking about it so I'm like U P. S perspective in terms of EPS guidance I think that is what is moderating.
Meeting the total EPS Grub is that we have higher interest expense uhm expected for the fourth quarter, then we would've had previously.
Got it and then maybe if I could just throw <unk> does that you know a bigger picture.
Yes, yes that does help and then maybe if I could just throw one bigger picture question here you know heading into 2023, you know and <unk> Stokes sticking our margins Euro how should we think about the puts and takes of the margin transfer next year no, particularly in the context of mixed feeling away from devices and more towards higher margin infrastructure solutions as well as services no <unk>.
We think about that as being a margin tailwind and then what are the kind of headwinds towards <unk> cutting into next year. Thank you.
<unk>, we're not going to give you specific guidance are on 2023, but I'll tell you.
Uhm at two three played out as we had expected. So when we had a second four to call. We said that we thought devices growth was gonna be more muted in Q3 that we would have a high percentage of infrastructure and networking sales in our results. They had higher margins. Therefore, we expected margin expansion in the second half of the.
A year, we still believe that she's recent example that we have a cheap that as we go forward going into 2023, we anticipate devices are not not devices infrastructure is gonna continue to flow out we will have backlog related to infrastructure is still going into 2023.
I think we would expect that that will give us some benefits throughout the year and we would anticipate that there is gonna be device growth in 2023 as we go through the ear for US we think it would be stronger in the second half and in the first task only because the comparison in the first half of against 2022 were very strong.
Thanks appreciate it off the color.
Thanks, Joe.
The next.
The next question comes from Max cheering from Stifle. Please go ahead.
Oh, yeah. Thanks, good morning, everyone.
I'm just following up on on the last question. So I'm first just on the the operating margin assumptions based on what your guidance for the year and it looks like margin should be uhm sequentially and I would imagine gross margin should beat up as well given the.
The mix towards infrastructure and services <unk> does that make sense.
You said sequentially cellphone Q3 of 22 degrees <unk>.
I do think so yes, we don't typically get Mark Martin items like that but yeah.
Got it in and then just on on the hardware.
So so joyce it sounds like <unk> or stolen issue uhm, but you're you're growing those businesses. So are are you seeing some signs of using supply and again sort of on a sequential basis would you expect I mean cause typically enterprises.
Spend their budgets at the end of the year now I guess, it's based on what do they get their product, but would you be would you expect at least in North America through the hardware to be up sequentially.
So I think.
Devices supply constraints have been largely normalized.
So I think we were in pretty good shape their infrastructure supply constraints continue we don't think we will clear the backlog until sort of <unk> into Q3, certainly not not before the first half, but you know we are seat where now shipping we're not shipping infrastructure products.
Because they've been basically an order for almost a year in some cases. So so we're shipping more so we're seeing we're seeing that infrastructure lived in terms of the amount of your shipping which is like one of the saying we're gonna take continued growth and infrastructure in Q4.
Did I get your question Okay.
Yeah, absolutely and and then just you know to me I noticed the hardware revenue husband down two quarters in a row I'm wondering how much of that is related to F X headwinds versus maybe a different cycle there maybe some more macroeconomics.
Softness.
I think there is some effect for me as it relates to F X and that's gonna continue going into 22, four sorry, and like me too. It's 2023 between the Euro and did GBP. The decline there had been somewhere in the range of 18 to 20 per cent varies depending on which currency does but it has been <unk>.
Significant over the course of the year or European business is roughly 50 per cent hardware 60 per cent software. That's some services in there, but the UK in particular were just need the greatest decline of at Sterling is about 50 per cent of the base and hardware, it's probably about 65%.
What they do there so that would be an impact us spilling some currency.
But in terms of overall demand trends then.
Sounds like then you're growing in constant currency.
Yeah, We did go in constant currency and we did go in constant currency in India and also in in in a <unk> I think that.
Demand is is is a little softer some of our clients are pulling back or shortening would you seen the size of projects at their contemplate into bite size chunks I think that there was a little bit of something that we're seeing maybe more in India that we're seeing here in North America, but there was a little bit of softening that we are starting to see still growth, but not at the <unk>.
Pace that.
We saw the first half of the year and certainly in the back half of last year.
Got it okay. Thanks very much.
Thanks Beth.
The next question comes from Anthony <unk> <unk> Company. Please go ahead.
Good morning, and thank you for taking the questions. So in terms of the price increases that you have taken that can you comment on how much that was in the third quarter and have you seen any notable pushback from clients given the current environment.
Yeah. So we did see some I would call it single digit growth in R. A S p's around devices, but that's a combination of pricing and also configuration. So it hasn't been a huge impact Anthony we've been watching that really carefully.
We've taken some minor pricing increases on some projects just because of labor costs, but again not significant in the scheme of things and I would say that we have not seen significant pushback from clients on these but we also have been pretty careful about the price increases.
Got it Okay, and then in terms of your own labor cost.
Have you seen any stabilization there recently or no.
Also if you could come in on flavor availability you for for your for Ya.
Yeah, So I mean, certainly <unk> flattening for sure. So there's still some skills that are in really really high demand and you gotta pay for those of course, but but I would say in general the labor market is improving.
Labour skill shortages actually quite helpful to us in terms of our offerings and manage services in particular, and that's you know it. It it is harder for some of our customers to find the labor they need to support their digital transformation and that's where we come in so it's a little bit of a double edged sword, where we've been pretty successful at our <unk> recruiting and retention.
<unk> so.
Got it Okay, and then lastly true choice you talked about this in your opening remarks about changing of your compensation plans, but that you're looking for you can can you just expand on that as to what you're looking to do with.
You have to achieve your 2027 goals.
Yeah, I mean, it's really around making sure we have the appropriate focus on services and solutions. There those are harder to sell than you know just plain vanilla kind of products. So we're encouraging our sales teammates to make sure that they have the skills to sell services and solutions and we're rewarding them for that through work I'm just gonna fish.
Alright, well. Thank you very much for best of luck.
If there's any.
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The next question comes from Vincent <unk> from Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Yeah. This is for a joy short Glen is give me the economic sensitivities would you expect services grow too cheap private grilled onion twenty-three.
Yeah, So <unk> <unk>. So we're not guiding yet for 2023 will do that in February we would expect <unk> just as a reminder of your service a couple of times before we do expect to see some of the infrastructure backlog flush in the beginning of 2023 and we also expect services.
Services to continue to grow so.
I think if you look at what kind of what what Glen. It says it talked about in terms of our 2009 performance. We saw actually pretty solid software growth, we saw pretty solid services <unk>, even and even when we saw some declines in hardware.
We think we're in a much better position than 2009.
And what what was the revenue contribution <unk> and a quarter.
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It's a small it's a small company.
Okay and I'm not sure. If you had mentioned this but any changes in sales cycles or any other indicators of the economic impact and a quarter.
So I would say we are seeing some more caution on the part of our clients in terms of and we could it sort of two ways. One is our customers are looking for smaller bite sized projects, where they can deliver we can deliver fast and and they can see the results faster and I think they're also we're also seeing a little.
Bit of an elongated sales cycle for the larger products projects, just because they have to get more approvals and people are generally clients. I think are just just be more careful.
You had mentioned just a bit ago, some softness in in the immediate versus the the U S market the North American market.
You know overall are are you are you seeing signs of anything shifting in any verticals or or anything like that as an indication that maybe hear me as you know cause it's gonna considerably weaken in coming quarters.
I <unk> I don't know that we can answer that question I I I I don't think that we we see that yeah I don't think we've seen that.
Okay.
That's it for me. So we we're not we're not heavily concentrated any one vertical in India. So maybe that's why we haven't seen.
Okay.
Okay.
This concludes <unk>, especially not no further questions <unk>. Thank you everyone for attending you may now disconnect you at nine.
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