Q4 2022 Weyerhaeuser Co Earnings Call
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Thank you Melissa good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss weyerhaeuser's fourth quarter 2022 earnings. This call is being webcast at www Dot Weyerhaeuser Dot com our earnings release and presentation materials can also be found on our website.
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On the call. This morning are Devin Stockfish, Chief Executive Officer, and David <unk>, Chief Financial Officer, I will now turn the call over to Devin Stockfish. Thanks, Andy good.
Morning, everyone and thank you for joining US yesterday, Weyerhaeuser reported full year GAAP earnings of $1 $9 billion or $2.53 per diluted share on net sales of $10.2 billion.
Excluding special items, our full year 2022 earnings totaled $2 $2 billion or $3 <unk> per diluted share adjusted EBITDA totaled $3 $7 billion for the year.
For the fourth quarter, we reported GAAP earnings of $11 million or two cents per diluted share on net sales of $1 $8 billion.
Excluding an after tax charge of $160 million for the special items, we earned $171 million or 24 cents per diluted share for the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $369 million. This is a 37% decrease from the third quarter. It was largely driven by further softening in wood products Mark.
That's as cautious sentiment continued to weigh on the near term housing and macroeconomic outlook.
I'll begin this morning by expressing my appreciation to our employees for their strong execution and performance in 2022 now.
Notwithstanding a number of supply chain disruptions and dynamic market conditions over the course of the year. Our teams operated safely continue to serve our customers and drove meaningful improvements across our businesses.
Through their efforts, we delivered our second highest annual adjusted EBITDA on record and are well positioned to navigate a more challenged market environment entering 2023.
Additionally, as highlighted on page 20 of our earnings slides, we generated more than $2.3 billion of adjusted funds available for distribution in 2022.
Again, demonstrating the strong cash generation capability and combining our unmatched portfolio of assets with industry, leading operating performance.
We announced yesterday that our board of directors declared a supplemental cash dividend of 90 cents per share payable on February 27th to holders of record on February 15th.
When combined with our quarterly base dividends of 72 cents per share. We are returning total dividends to shareholders of $1.62 per share.
Including $550 million of shares repurchased during the year Weyerhaeuser is returning $1 $75 billion of total cash to shareholders based on 2022 results, where 75% of 2022 adjusted F. A D which is in line with our annual targeted payout range of 75 to 80.
Percent.
As summarized on page 21, we've now completed the second full year of our new cash return framework upon payment of the supplemental dividend. We will have returned more than $3.8 billion in total cash to shareholders based on 2021 and 2022 results through a combination of cash dividends and share.
Repurchase.
We continue to believe this framework will enhance our ability to drive long term shareholder value by returning meaningful and appropriate amounts of cash back to shareholders across a range of market conditions and deliver an attractive total dividend yield to our shareholders.
Moving forward into 2023 our cash return commitment will continue to be supported by our sustainable quarterly base dividend, which we intend to grow by 5% annually through 2025 as outlined in our cash return framework on page 19, we plan to supplement our base dividend with an additional return of cash as appropriate.
To achieve our targeted annual payout of 75% to 80% of adjusted F. A D.
And as demonstrated in 2021 and 2022 we have the flexibility in our framework to return this additional cash in the form of a supplemental cash dividend or opportunistic share repurchase.
With that I'll now turn to our fourth quarter business results I'll begin with timberlands on pages seven through 10 of our earnings slides.
Timberlands contributed $86 million to fourth quarter earnings adjusted EBITDA was $150 million and $18 million decrease compared to the third quarter.
This was largely driven by lower sales realizations in the west.
For the full year timberlands, adjusted EBITDA increased by 13% compared to 2021.
These were strong results and I am extremely proud of the focus and resiliency demonstrated by our teams in 2022.
Turning to our western Timberlands operations.
Domestic log markets softened at the outset of the fourth quarter, driven primarily by lower lumber pricing and ample log supply in the system.
This drove domestic log pricing to lower levels early in the quarter.
As the quarter progressed log supply into the market became more constrained, resulting from a seasonal reduction in log availability.
This dynamic resulted in a temporary period of log price stability into December .
For the quarter, our average domestic realizations were moderately lower than the third quarter our fee harvest in domestic sales volumes were higher as the business quickly returned to full run rate operations. Following the resolution of our work stoppage we plan to capture the majority of the deferred harvest volume from the work stoppage in 2020 three.
Forestry and road costs were seasonally lower compared to the third quarter and per unit log and haul costs were comparable.
Turning to our export markets in.
In Japan demand for our logs was strong in the fourth quarter as our key customers sought to replenish lean inventories, resulting from our work stoppage.
That said, our export sales volumes to Japan were slightly lower as work stoppage related impacts to our export program, we're disproportionately higher in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter.
Our average sales realizations were significantly lower as broader log market soften in Japan, due primarily to an oversupply of European lumber imports as well as lower consumption driven by reduced housing activity.
A lot of demand from our China customers was solid in the fourth quarter and our export sales volumes increased significantly compared to the lower levels in the third quarter. When we intentionally kept more volume in the domestic market to capture higher margin opportunities.
Our average sales realizations were significantly lower than in the fourth quarter as broader Chinese log market soften due to lower consumption, resulting from COVID-19 disruptions and challenges in the Chinese real estate market.
Moving to the south Southern Timberlands, adjusted EBITDA increased slightly compared to the third quarter Sim.
Similar to the last several quarters, notwithstanding adequate log supply and softening finished product pricing southern saw log and fiber markets remained fairly stable during the fourth quarter log demand was steady as mills continued to carry higher inventory levels to mitigate potential risks from supply chain and weather challenges as.
A result, our sales realizations were comparable to the third quarter.
The harvest volumes were slightly higher as weather conditions remain generally favorable for most of the quarter.
Forestry and road costs decreased slightly and per unit log and haul costs were comparable to the third quarter.
On the export side, our southern program to China remains paused due to ongoing phyto sanitary rules imposed by Chinese regulators.
While it's unclear when this issue will be resolved, we continue to have a positive longer term outlook for our southern export business to China and in the interim we will continue to grow our export business into India and other Asian markets.
In the north adjusted EBITDA increased slightly compared to the third quarter due to significantly higher sales volumes as weather conditions were favorable our sales realizations decreased moderately.
Turning to real estate energy and natural resources on pages 11, and 12 for.
For the full year real estate knee and our generated $329 million of adjusted EBITDA.
Slightly higher than our revised full year guidance and 11% higher than 2021.
This was driven primarily by exceptionally strong demand for H B U properties in 2020, two as well as robust energy and natural resources activity for much of the year and.
In the fourth quarter. This segment contributed $24 million to earnings excluding a $10 million noncash impairment charge, resulting from the planned divestiture of legacy coal assets. The segment earned $34 million in the quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA was $46 million.
A decrease of $14 million from the prior quarter, primarily due to a reduction in real estate acres sold.
Although HBU demand has moderated somewhat in response to broader macroeconomic concerns we continue to see steady interest from buyers seeking the safety of hard assets in an inflationary environment.
Notably we delivered our highest average price per acre for all of 2022 on our land sales in the fourth quarter.
These are high value transactions with significant premiums to timber value.
I'll now make a few comments on our natural climate solutions business as shown on page 13 full year adjusted EBITDA from this business was $43 million, a 13% increase compared to 2021.
Growth during the year was primarily driven by conservation activity with ongoing contributions from our mitigation banking and renewable energy businesses in.
In addition, we achieved notable milestones in our emerging carbon businesses in 2022 including the announcement of our first two carbon capture and storage agreements one of which was announced in the fourth quarter in partnership with Denver.
Similar to our agreement with Oxy low carbon ventures announced earlier in 2022, the Danbury project will take several years to begin production and we expect both projects will come online in 2020 five or 'twenty 'twenty six.
Moving forward, we continue to advance discussions with high quality developers of carbon capture and storage on portions of our southern U S acreage and expect to announce additional agreements in the future.
Turning briefly to forests carbon offsets, we're nearing completion of our pilot project in Maine, and expect third party approval soon.
This project serves as a proof of concept for weyerhaeuser and positions us well to advance additional forests carbon projects in 2020 three.
With these exciting developments, we continue to see multi year growth potential from our natural climate solutions business and maintain our target of reaching $100 million per year of EBITDA by the end of 2025.
Moving to wood products on pages 14 through 16.
Wood products contributed $147 million to fourth quarter earnings and $197 million to adjusted EBITDA.
Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was a 50% reduction from the third quarter, largely driven by continued softening in wood products markets and lower product pricing for.
For the full year, our wood products business generated over $2.7 billion of adjusted EBITDA, and our engineering wood products business established a new annual EBITDA record.
Additionally, our distribution business generated the highest annual EBITDA and over 15 years.
These are outstanding results and I'm proud of our team's ability to deliver this level of performance notwithstanding numerous challenges in 2020 two.
Turning to some commentary on the lumber and OSB markets benchmark prices for lumber and OSB entered the fourth quarter showing signs of stabilization after falling for much of the third quarter.
As a quarter progressed, both markets exhibited cautious buyer sentiment, resulting from a softening housing market. In addition to broader concerns about the economy and if and inflation.
Buyers maintained lean inventories and limited orders to necessity purchases through year end.
This drove benchmark prices lower for both lumber and OSB in the fourth quarter as.
As a result, the framing lumber composite pricing decreased by 24% compared to the third quarter and the OSB composite pricing decreased by 20%.
That said benchmark pricing for both projects products stabilized in January as buyers reentered the market to replenish lean inventories.
Adjusted EBITDA for our lumber business decreased by $80 million compared to the third quarter.
Our average sales realizations decreased by 11% in the fourth quarter with relative outperformance compared to the benchmark, resulting primarily from our regional and product mix.
Our sales and production volumes decreased significantly compared to the third quarter. These.
These decreases resulted from a combination of the work stoppage related impacts in the northwest adverse weather conditions in December and challenged reliability at several mills during the quarter as a result unit manufacturing costs increased significantly during the quarter.
Log costs were modestly lower primarily for western logs.
Specific to our northwest Mills, which resumed operations in November following the work stoppage much of the lumber we sold in the fourth quarter was manufactured using logs purchased in the third quarter when log prices were higher as a result margins compressed and are expected to remain lower until we work through the higher cost log inventories.
And log prices in the northwest adjust to reflect current lumber pricing levels.
Adjusted EBITDA for our OSB business decreased by $47 million compared to the third quarter, primarily due to the decrease in commodity pricing.
Our average sales realizations decreased by 16% in the fourth quarter.
Production volumes were comparable however, sales volumes decreased slightly resulting from weather related disruption challenge weather related transportation challenges in Canada late in the quarter.
Unit manufacturing costs decreased moderately and fiber costs were slightly lower in the quarter.
Engineered wood products', adjusted EBITDA decreased by $56 million compared to the third quarter.
This result is directly tied to recent softening in demand for AWP products, which are primarily used in single family homebuilding applications.
Although we often see demand for engineered wood products slow somewhat during the winter months.
The broader slowdown in the housing market in Q4 caused more of a pullback than ordinarily would be the case as a result of this dynamic our sales volumes decreased for all products compared to the third quarter.
Production volumes were also lower as we elected to take temporary holiday downtime at several AWP facilities during the quarter.
Our sales realizations decreased for all products, except for I joists, which were comparable to the third quarter.
Unit manufacturing costs were comparable in the fourth quarter and raw material costs were moderately lower primarily for OSB web stock.
In distribution adjusted EBITDA decreased by $18 million compared to the third quarter, largely driven by lower sales volumes, primarily for AWP products.
With that I'll turn the call over to David to discuss some financial items, and our first quarter and 2023 outlook.
Thank you Devin and good morning, everyone I will be covering key financial items and fourth quarter financial performance before moving into our first quarter and full year 2023 outlook.
I'll begin with key financial items, which are summarized on page 18.
We generated $167 million of cash from operations in the fourth quarter, bringing our total for the year to more than $2.8 billion. Our second highest full year operating cash flow on record as Devin mentioned, we are returning $1 $75 billion to shareholders based on 2022 results, which includes 500 and <unk>.
<unk> million dollars of share repurchases.
Fourth quarter share repurchase activity totaled $146 million and we have approximately $375 million of remaining capacity under the $1 billion share repurchase program, we announced in the third quarter of 2021.
We will continue to leverage our flexible cash return framework and look to repurchase shares opportunistically. When we believe it will create shareholder value.
Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the year with approximately $1.6 billion of cash and cash equivalents of which $662 million is earmarked for the supplemental dividend, we announced yesterday that will be paid in February .
Our balance sheet remains strong with ample liquidity and we ended the year with approximately $5 billion of gross debt.
Fourth quarter results for unallocated items are summarized on page 17 unallocated.
Unallocated adjusted EBITDA increased by $16 million compared to the third quarter.
This increase was primarily attributable to changes in intersegment profit elimination and LIFO as well as benefits, resulting from lower than expected health care expenses and increased discount rates on workers' compensation obligations.
In the fourth quarter, we completed the purchase of a group annuity contract, which was approximately $420 million of our Canadian pension liabilities to an insurance carrier. The contract purchase was funded from our Canadian pension plan assets with no company cash contribution required as a result of the transaction fourth.
This transaction is the latest in a series we have executed to reduce our pension plan obligations. Since we began these efforts in 2018, our pension obligations have decreased from $6 $8 billion to $2 $3 billion as of year end 2022.
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Key outlook items for the first quarter and full year 2023 are presented on pages 23 and 'twenty four.
In our timberlands business, we expect first quarter earnings and adjusted EBITDA will be slightly higher than the fourth quarter.
Beginning with our western Timberland operations domestic log markets entered the first quarter showing continued signs of softening as a result of lower pricing and takeaway of finished products along with elevated log inventories at mills.
Regional log supply has improved compared to the fourth quarter and is expected to remain ample for the majority of the first quarter notwithstanding winter weather disruptions as a result, we expect our domestic log sales realizations to be significantly lower compared to the fourth quarter.
Our fee harvest and domestic sales volumes are expected to be significantly higher in the first quarter. As we have returned to full run rate operations. Following the work stoppage, which affected one month of operations in the fourth quarter.
Per unit log and haul costs are expected to be moderately lower as we make the seasonal transition to lower elevation and lower cost harvest operations.
Western road costs are expected to be significantly lower due to the seasonal nature of these activities.
Moving to the export markets.
Demand for our logs remained steady as customers in Japan, and China worked to build finished product inventories in preparation for seasonally stronger construction activity in the second quarter.
We expect to significantly increase our export sales volumes to both markets compared to the fourth quarter, which was affected by one month of reduced export activity, resulting from our work stoppage, but we also expect to shift additional volume to China to take advantage of higher margin opportunities.
That said our export sales realizations are expected to be slightly lower in the first quarter as broader log markets continue to soften resulting from the headwinds Devin previously mentioned.
In the South we expect log demand to remain fairly steady in the first quarter, although great and fiber markets are showing signs of slight softening as we enter 2023, particularly fiber markets in the east.
As a result, we expect our sales realizations to be slightly lower compared to the fourth quarter.
Fee harvest volumes are expected to be slightly lower due to seasonally wet weather in the first quarter.
Per unit log and haul costs and forestry and road costs are expected to be comparable to the fourth quarter.
In the North Sea harvest volumes and sales realizations are expected to be slightly lower in the first quarter.
Turning to our full year harvest plan.
For 2023, we expect total company fee harvest volumes to increase to approximately 35 million tonnes.
In the West we anticipate our harvest volumes will be moderately higher than 2022, as we plan to capture the majority of the deferred harvest volumes, resulting from our work stoppage.
We expect our southern harvest volumes to increase moderately compared to 2022 as we resume a more normalized level of activity following reduced harvest levels, resulting from adverse weather conditions, primarily in the third quarter of 2022.
We expect our northern harvest volumes will be slightly higher year over.
Year over year.
Turning to our real estate energy and natural resources segment as Devin mentioned HBU demand has moderated somewhat in response to broader macroeconomic concerns that said, we're still seeing steady demand for our real estate properties and we continue to expect a consistent flow of transactions with significant premiums to <unk>.
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We expect full year 2023, adjusted EBITDA of approximately $300 million for this segment.
Consistent with previous years, we anticipate our real estate activity will be heavily weighted towards the first half of the year.
Basis as a percentage of real estate sales is expected to be approximately 35% to 45% for the year.
First quarter earnings before special items are expected to be approximately $10 million higher than the fourth quarter. While adjusted EBITDA is expected to be approximately $35 million higher primarily due to the timing and mix of real estate sales.
Turning to our wood products segment, as Devin mentioned buyer sentiment remains cautious.
Ed benchmark prices for lumber and OSB have stabilized in January as buyers reentered the market to replenish lean inventories.
Excluding the effect of changes in average sales realizations for lumber and OSB, We expect first quarter earnings and adjusted EBITDA will be moderately higher compared to the fourth quarter.
For lumber, we expect higher production and sales volumes in the first quarter and significantly lower unit manufacturing costs as we resumed operations in our northwest Mills following the work stoppage in the fourth quarter.
We also anticipate improved reliability across the system.
Log costs are expected to be moderately lower primarily for western logs.
For OSB, we expect sales and production volumes to be moderately higher in the first quarter due to less planned downtime for annual maintenance and improved transportation networks. Following extreme winter weather in December we expect fiber costs and unit manufacturing costs to be lower compared to the fourth quarter.
As shown on page 25, our current in quarter to date average sales realizations for lumber and OSB are both moderately lower than the fourth quarter averages.
For engineered wood products, we expect significantly lower sales realizations in the first quarter, resulting from softening demand for AWP products sales volumes are expected to be slightly lower for solid section products, while I joists sales volumes are expected to be moderately higher.
We anticipate significantly lower raw material costs, primarily for OSB web stock.
For our distribution business, we are expecting lower adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter due to lower margins for all products.
I'll wrap up with some additional full year outlook items highlighted on page 24.
Our full year 2022 interest expense was $270 million. This represents a $43 million reduction from the prior year largely due to the strategic refinancing transaction, we completed in the first quarter of 2022.
For full year 2023, we expect interest expense will be unchanged at approximately $270 million.
Turning to taxes, our full year 2022 effective tax rate was approximately 20% excluding special items for.
For first quarter and full year 2023, we expect our effective tax rate will be between 12 and 14% before special items based on the forecasted mix of earnings between our REIT and taxable REIT subsidiary.
For cash taxes, we paid $566 million for full year, 2022, which was slightly higher than our tax expense, excluding special items due to the timing of Canadian tax payments.
We expect our 2023 cash taxes will be comparable to our overall tax expense.
For pension and post employment plans the year end 2022 funded status improved by approximately $100 million, primarily due to higher discount rates compare to year end 2021.
Excluding our fourth quarter settlement charge, our noncash nonoperating pension and post employment expense was approximately $50 million in 2022.
We expect to record a similar total at approximately $50 million of expense in 2020 three.
Cash paid for pension and post employment plans in 2022 was $24 million in 2023, we do not anticipate any cash contributions to our U S qualified pension plan and our required cash payments for all other plants will be approximately $25 million.
Turning now to capital expenditures, our full year 2022 capital spend totaled $462 million plus $6 million of capitalized interest.
We expect total capital spend for 2023 will be approximately $440 million, which includes a $110 million for timberlands inclusive of reforestation costs $315 million for wood products and $15 million for planned corporate I T system investments.
I'll now turn the call back to Devin and look forward to your questions. Thanks.
Thanks, David.
As we begin to wrap up this morning, I'll make a few brief comments on the housing and repair and remodel markets.
As we enter 2023 buyer sentiment remains cautious for new and existing homes and is being driven by numerous ongoing headwinds. Most notable is the affordability challenge brought about by increased mortgage rates combined with significant increases in home prices over the last two years.
In addition, we believe buyer psychology is being influenced by uncertainty related to the trajectory of mortgage rates general concerns about the economy and falling home prices in many markets. As a result, we anticipate a more challenged housing market compared to the last couple of years, particularly in the first half of 2023.
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That being said there are some signs recently that the environment may be improving mortgage rates have ticked down from recent highs homebuilder sentiment improved in January and mortgage application activity has picked up over the last several weeks. Additionally, the labor market remains fairly strong overall and household balance sheets are generally.
In good shape.
There are still plenty of people, who want to home and can still get a mortgage but many buyers are likely to remain on the sidelines until we see some improvements we're at the very least some stabilization in certain macroeconomic and housing related trends I will note. However that despite what may be a period of choppiness in the near term or longer term.
You on the housing fundamentals continue to be very favorable supported by strong demographic trends and a vastly under built housing stock.
Turning to repair and remodel.
Activity in the repair and remodel market remained fairly stable in the fourth quarter and continued to be supported by steady demand from the professional segment.
Demand from the do it yourself segment continued to soften from the elevated levels of the last couple of years and has returned to a more normalized pre pandemic level in.
In the near term, we expect stable demand from the repair and remodel segment, albeit perhaps at a slightly lower level than what we've seen over the last couple of years.
Looking out beyond 2023 most of the key drivers supporting healthy repair and remodel demand remain intact and support our more bullish long term outlook, including favorable home equity levels and an aging housing stock.
Now before we move into questions I'd like to provide an update on the progress we made in 2022 against the multiyear targets, we set out during our Investor day in September of 2021 is.
As highlighted on slide 2020, slide 22, we're progressing well on all fronts last year, we deployed approximately $300 million on timberland acquisitions, including our Carolinas transaction. We grew our natural climate solutions EBITDA by 13% compared to 2021 and announced our first.
Two carbon capture and storage deals and we remain on track to grow this business to $100 million of EBITDA by year end 2025 lakh.
Last year, our teams captured approximately $40 million of margin improvements across our businesses and also made meaningful progress against our other opex priorities I'm extremely pleased with this result, considering the inflationary pressures we experienced in 2022.
We made progress against our 2030 greenhouse gas emissions reduction target and finally, we demonstrated our ongoing commitment to disciplined capital allocation by increasing our quarterly dividend by five 9% and returning $1.75 billion to shareholders based on 2022 results. So.
In closing our performance in 2022 reflected solid execution across all of our businesses entering 2023 our balance sheet is exceptionally strong we have a competitive cost structure and we are well positioned to navigate through a range of market conditions, we will remain focused on servicing our COO.
Customers and driving long term value for shareholders through our unrivaled portfolio industry, leading performance strong ESG Foundation and disciplined capital allocation. So with that I think we can open it up for questions.
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Our first question comes from the line of Susan Mcclary with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you good morning, everyone.
Good morning, good morning too.
My first question is.
Give us some more details on the wood products business based on the comments of a pick up as we came into the first couple of weeks of this year can you talk a bit about the supply and demand conditions on the ground as we go into the spring and the builders are obviously, you know ramping up a bit trying to get things closed and trying to have inventory on the ground for the selling season.
The opportunities for Weyerhaeuser within that given your cost structure relative to some of your peers.
Yeah. Good question Sue I mean, you know look we have seen a little bit of a pickup here really over the last few weeks on the wood products side I think that's a reflection of a few things.
Number one going into the end of the year. Most buyers really had very low inventories and I think that was just a reflection of a lot of concern over what was going to be happening in the housing market. So inventory levels were really low going into the end of the year. We've seen a few I think green shoots.
On the housing side, whether it's the new home sales numbers.
You know, albeit down quite a bit from last year up month over month, you've seen homebuilder sentiment pick up a little bit. So you know I think there's maybe a little bit more optimism than there was a perhaps a month ago and so that's driving a little bit of sentiment I think the other piece of it which is probably even more impactful is just on the supply side we've.
We've seen a fair bit of curtailment activity over the last few months up to.
Another action this week from one of our competitors and so I think that's driving things to be a little bit more imbalance I do think we're probably still several weeks if not a month from really seeing a meaningful pickup from spring building activity I think we'll have a better sense as we get deeper into.
February is how that shaping up but overall I'm you know, it's certainly been a tougher period over the last several months, but as we head into the spring building season, we start to see mortgage rates ticked down I think we're optimistic that it will be a little bit better than it was expected even just a few months ago.
That's really been I think one of the true success stories at this company over the last several years the work that we've done around Opex just year after year after year driving improvements has put us in I think a very good competitive position from a cost standpoint, which is always important and we're always focused on it but particularly when you have these mark.
It dips it becomes very important so I think we're you know, we're really well positioned with our the scale the cost structure that we have in place to navigate through market conditions, regardless of what they end up being for the first half of the year.
That's great color. Thank you, Kevin and what we'll re queue to ask another question.
Alright, great. Thanks Sue.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of George Staphos with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, everyone. Good morning, Thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on the good into the year My two questions are around timber.
There was a lot of discussion as we go into the year on I think you mentioned high margin opportunities in China are some.
Some opportunities in Japan, as well yet there also seem to be some headwinds in terms of the market activity and ultimately what will be realizations could you give us a bit more color Devin in Davey in terms of what we should take away in terms of the realization outlook and why.
And timber in the export markets on the west.
Particularly given that at least from the data that we see and certainly theres a lag on it.
Exports to China on softwood are down quite a bit my second question is you know.
Can you talk a bit about the prospects for climate solutions to pension the timber markets.
Or would you expect to see the most impact and win and from which of your climate solutions businesses in terms of ultimately helping support timber pricing in the future. Thank you guys and good luck in the quarter.
Sure. Thanks, George well with respect to your first question you know and that's primarily I think a question about the Pacific Northwest.
The dynamic is really being driven right now by lumber prices. So as you say I do think we're going to see a pickup in export activity out of the Pacific Northwest both to Japan, and China are particularly I think coming out of the lunar new year period, we're expecting our exports to China to really ramp back up and so that's going to be a nice.
Healthy offtake, and we're gonna see borrow more volume going to the export market out of the northwest and so ordinarily you would see that tension things up and support pricing, but the reality is in the domestic market log prices are going to have to be within a range, where the manufacturers can still generate a profit and frankly until.
You see those log prices come down a little bit given where lumber prices have been that's been a real challenge and so I think ultimately what's going to be the governor on pricing in the northwest is really what happens with lumber prices now if you were to see lumber prices start coming back up as we enter the spring building season as some of the weather issues in California resolved C C.
Takeaway out of that import market you know to the extent lumber prices come up then I think you'll see log prices follow it continues to be a very tension wood basket regardless of of you know lumber prices. There's just a a shortage of log supply in the Pacific northwest and that will ultimately be reflected in log prices.
Particularly as we see exports pick up but again.
It's not going to see that to the extent that that lumber prices stay at a lower level. So that's the that's the answer on the log side.
You know just in terms of the natural climate solutions business intention ing a log markets you know I think candidly, we're still a ways away from that you know the the primary tool for for doing that is going to be on the forest carbon side I do think over time that is going to be a big opportunity not just for us.
But for other landowners, but we're still in the early innings I think of that market developing a you can read the commentary on it I think as a whole the market is still figuring out exactly how these carbon markets are going to work. So that's that's still probably got a little bit of time before that has any real material impact and frankly.
I do think just remember there's there's lots of forest land in the United States. So I think that's probably still a ways out before that becomes a real issue.
Thanks, very much Kevin.
Yes. Thanks.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Pettinari with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning.
Devon in lumber you talked about you know I think the very large number of curtailments that we've seen in D. C and I was wondering in aggregate you know do you have a sense. If there are still kind of meaningful curtailments to go or is that maybe sort of run its course and it was more of a sort of a seasonal seasonal actions.
With lumber maybe back above 400 could we see some of that capacity coming back I was just wondering if you could kind of talk about how the dynamic in D. C could play out this year.
You know, assuming we're somewhere close to card lumber prices.
Yeah, well you know look at I'll, just say at the outset, it's hard for me to comment specifically on the cost structure of my competitors. So I'll just offer some broad commentary because we you know we obviously do have some operations in B C and I think certainly we've seen a fair amount of capacity curtailment I don't think that was unexpected just given the high.
Your cost structure that you see in British Columbia, now a variety of reasons for that and we've discussed that in the past you know I think that the curtailment.
Activities, just going to be dependent on on where lumber prices go I think for where we were for much of the fourth quarter, particularly at the end of the year. It would be very challenging for the economics to makes ensign in British Columbia now we've seen prices come up just a little bit as you as you know.
The log price adjustment mechanism.
Does happen quarterly so that will adjust down a little bit, but it remains a very high cost region to manufacture lumber and so you know lumber prices are going to have to stay well north of probably the historical averages for.
The economics to work in that geography, and I'd say too in the Pacific Northwest for that matter are the the log cost to lumber ratio that we've seen recently has been a pretty challenging for the Pacific northwest and so I suspect you know there are a number of producers that have been.
Challenged in this environment as well so.
Until you see lumber prices go up or log prices go down the economics are challenging and you could see continued curtailment activity.
Okay, that's very helpful.
And then just following up on George's question on natural climate solutions.
If you look at the kind of the work streams and the different activities, there, whether it's wind or solar or forest carbon or Ccs.
Is there a sense that sort of partner interest and adoption.
Is may be progressing faster than expected or maybe slower than expected. If you look at those different categories, you know compared to when you kind of first unveiled those targets at your analyst day.
Are there any sort of obstacles or pain points as you pursue some of these projects just curious if there's any additional color there.
Yeah, I would say on balance the interest level has gone up since we first announced this target and that's really true across the board, whether you're talking about conservation mitigation with all the infrastructure activity that's going to happen over the next several years is going to be a lot of need for mitigation banking carbon capture and storage.
Really with the 45, Q tax credit going up to $85 solar wind forest carbon there's really a very significant amount of interest across all of those are categories. The challenge is the timeline to get these things to come to fruition and that's true.
Particularly when you talk about the renewables you you think about solar the demand for solar is off the chart. The challenge is every one of these projects has to go through a local permitting process and they get tied into the grid and there's just way more activity than there is administrative support to make that happen. So the <unk>.
<unk> line for these things you know carbon capture and storage et cetera. It's you know, it's just going to take time for these things to come to fruition, but I would say our confidence in the opportunity set and natural climate solutions is higher today than it was when we announced these targets in 2021 it's just the timeline.
The big question.
Okay. That's very helpful I'll turn it over.
Thanks.
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Thank you and good morning.
Good morning.
What products are Capex outlook that you talked about 2020 feet can you talk about sort of what the key projects that you have for this year.
Yeah. So you know a couple of things I would highlight you know part of our program and this has been the case with the exception of our <unk> project Our mill Port project in the hold in project. That's ongoing currently the vast majority of our projects are not really big enormous capital.
Projects, they're replication projects that are you know whether it's a merchandiser a you know a new gang saw a new C. D. K I mean, those are the kinds of projects that we're really doing across the system and so.
It's all about going in mill by mill. According to a multiyear road map finding the the the roadblocks and bottlenecks and taking those out so that we can drive down costs improve reliability drive efficiencies and then obviously, there's there's some come along volume that that is a part of that as well. So it's not any particular.
<unk> Big project other than holding which we did start up the saw mill at.
At the end of last year will be starting up the planer mill later this year. So that project is going well, but other than older and theres not any particular project that I would really highlight is just a number of projects all of which are are largely replications of things that we've already done in other facilities.
Got it that's helpful. And then just very quickly we are starting to see you know kind of more European lumber make its way into the U S. Do you think that there is more room for that to grow in 2023.
You know I think that that's potentially the case around the margins, we've certainly seen more European lumber coming into the market. So on a percentage basis year over a year it might look like a lot, but relative to the overall north American consumption, it's still a pretty small percentage and so even if we do see.
A little bit of a pick up in the near term I don't think it's going to fundamentally impact the overall supply demand dynamic. The one thing I would say is over time I would expect that European lumber supply to go down somewhat for a couple of reasons number one you know with the the beetle kill and the fires et cetera that we've seen in <unk>.
Central Europe , there are a number of years that that youre going to see elevated harvest levels to work through that salvage, but ultimately that fiber supply is going to go away and then the second piece being just with the you know the bands on the Russian and Belarus lumber coming into Europe .
If Europe is in a normal state you would expect more of that European lumber to have to stay domestic now obviously, that's not the case because of the general economic conditions in Europe right. Now. So you still have I think a fair bit of that lumber coming into the U S. But in any event over the longer term I would expect that to moderate it.
Not go down.
Alright that.
That's helpful perspective, I'd come back into the queue. Good luck.
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Thank you.
One question and I'm, certainly not projecting that this would be the case, but if our markets were very weak in a given year and it ended up that your S. A D wasn't a at a level where even at 75% you would meet the base dividend would you still meet that I am.
Against this just it's not even in the contemplation universe right now so you haven't really assess that.
<unk>, Yeah, I mean look look mark we've when we established our dividend framework, we looked at a number of different scenarios in establishing the level, where we were going to go to put that base dividend and we feel confident in our ability to meet that and I think coming back to some of the things we've been doing with that base dividend being tied primarily to the the timberlands.
In real estate energy and natural resources businesses are the the Carolinas acquisition. For example that helps us have confidence in our ability to increase that that base over time and meet that and additionally at the work we've been doing in the natural climate solutions business to increase that target over time, along with our day to day commitment to Opex and innovation.
So I would say that gives us a lot of confidence in our ability to meet that over time.
And then just philosophically is it fair to say then that if there were for whatever reasons. There was this.
Short term issue that that led to a shortfall that you the you.
You would cover it with the high degree of confidence do you have that overtime. It. It's a very very manageable number is that fair.
Yes, absolutely okay.
Two other quick ones one.
Devin you talked about a price realizations Pacific northwest and kind of the drivers there for the timber business in the South we've seen obviously packaging demand has also been quite weak recently and and you laid out kind of some of the challenges and in housing is.
Is that just a much stickier and pricing framework. So what what you would expect to see in the U S south for for realizations as the year proceeds.
Yeah, Mark I mean first of all you're absolutely right with the south its just a much less volatile pricing dynamic than you see in the west So you're not going to see those big.
Quarter over quarter or year over year swings in pricing in the South I think when we when we look out to 'twenty twenty-three, particularly the first half you know I do think we're going to see some moderation in terms of of the pricing dynamic would probably be down just a little bit and that's a reflection of a couple of things. One you know we do see end market.
Pricing, you know softening and that's true both on the wood product side of it but also the pulp and paper side.
In general, but I think the bigger issue is one of the drivers in the south that's been keeping prices high last couple of years has been a general I would call. It urgency on the on the behalf of mills to keep high inventory levels of logs and that was really just to mitigate down.
Site risk because of the supply chain challenges trucking logging capacity et cetera. So I think that was a little bit of a support mechanism for pricing over the last couple of years.
I I still don't think we're in a place where you have a an over capacity of logging or are hauling capacity in the south but it's eased around the margins. So you know I I expect pricing to soften just a little bit you know broadly speaking across the south in the first half, but the trajectory of pricing in the south we still believe will be up over time with.
Capacity additions and all of the same drivers that had been really kind of pushing that up over the last couple of years.
Very helpful and lastly, just real quick so you know we have seen more of a bounce in lumber and OSB is that just cause it overshot more and youre getting some more of the supply response in D C or any other thoughts as to why that's happened to date and any perspective, you have kind of going forward.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's exactly right Mark I think it's largely a function of the supply response OSB is a little different you know unlike lumber where you can take a few shifts here a few shifts there.
Okay. Thanks, so much.
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Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike <unk> with true Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you Devin Davey and Andy for taking my questions.
One just wanted to get a sense from you.
Around China.
Potential for exports, particularly given how Chinese eliminated all restrictions. So is there the potential you see the potential for even greater demand in the country.
We know that the.
Loosen those restrictions around COVID-19.
Yeah right.
The short answer is yes, I think as they come out of the Covid restrictions that will create more opportunity, but you know just for a little more context, China's been an interesting market of late there has been a lot of puts and takes demand clearly has been down primarily as a result of the COVID-19 lockdowns, but also just a broader shakeup in the real estate.
Industry in China, So I'd say on balance log demand lumber demand in China has been down of late but there have also been a lot of supply impacts as well so with the Russian log ban the Australian law ban I think youre seeing some of the European <unk>.
Lord flow from the salvage activity start to wane, a little bit. So there there have been you know I think impacts on both sides of the ledger for US specifically, we've got long term customers the demand for us was actually higher than the volume that we sent there last year and as we've said that was really just a function of capturing the better margin opportunities domestically.
As those two have come a little bit more into balance freight costs have come down we are anticipating ramping up our China volume into Q1, and that's you know I think that would be the case, regardless of what's going on in China, just because our customers need that need that would but I do think coming out of the lunar new year in China, you're going to see.
Log and lumber demand pick up they've been in a relative soft spot for awhile. So I think theres going to be plenty of opportunity for us to ramp up our export volumes to China.
Got you appreciate the color and then just on.
On the repair remodel markets, you've obviously reiterated this quarter that it's held up.
Pretty well thus far.
Within the professional segment.
If you look at historically.
Correlation between single family housing starts or housing certain general and repair and remodel typically.
All falls.
Housing starts in a couple of quarters.
I'm wondering if you have any insight into the cadence of repair and remodel during Q.
And whether that'd be good.
The activities really steady or maybe it sort of starts to decline as the quarter progressed and then just quickly.
With all the repair and remodel that has occurred over the last several years with people working from home.
What gives you the confidence that R&R should continue to persist going forward at an elevated rate.
Yeah, well you know in repair and remodel I think there are a number of variables at play in and to some extent it makes it a little bit harder to forecast than normal I do think most of the drivers behind strong repair and remodel that we've seen over the last several years are still in place you've got homeowners with a lot of equity you've got in AG.
Housing stock a lot of these older houses or are smaller and have different layouts than some of the newer homes. So I think that that provides an incentive for homeowners to upgrade and add on to existing older homes. I think the other dynamic that is somewhat new with with so many people, having refinanced mortgages at lower rates to the.
That keeps them in an existing house, rather than going out and purchasing a new home. It at a higher mortgage I think that could be also a catalyst for more repair and remodel activity and of course as you mentioned historically buying and selling a home is is one of the times people often do repair and remodel.
Projects, and so that could be a little bit of a headwind to the extent that activity dies down a little bit you know.
Can it be having people build decks in December like they would be in the spring. So there's a seasonality impact, but you know on balance we were still seeing solid demand and would expect that to continue in 2023.
Thank you.
Thanks.
Yeah morning. Thanks, guys. Just one question does this make it under the hour on lumber you've got a goal of growing it by 5% a year and I appreciate.
The strike impacted sales volumes were down a little bit over 5% in 'twenty two.
But in the U S. So what's your production up 5% and 22.
We are doing the work year to year through our capital programs to get to that level now you know year to year. The production will vary depending on what's going on and you look at what happened last year between Covid. The strike a number of other issues that we dealt with last year with supply chain labor.
Cetera, we did see our production volume reduce year over year, but the underlying projects that build the capacity within the system to accommodate $5 7 billion were still on track for that and expect to get there, but again year to year it'll just depend on what the market dynamics are in terms of actual production.
That's all I had best of luck.
Alright, Thanks, Paul.
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Great. Thanks, and good morning, everyone.
Good morning.
Just starting on the share repurchase side I mean, do you expect to take your foot off the gas at all given what's likely to be a much leaner at least near term on the cash generation front kind of ensure you can accrue some cash for a supplemental dividend next year, how do you think about matching buyers.
<unk> activity with underlying cash flow as the year progresses.
Yeah, you bet you bet, Kurt So we're constantly evaluating how we think about share repurchase its a dynamic process looking at all the factors.
Really it comes back to weighing all the options available to us and allocating the capital in a way that creates the most long term value for shareholders.
So you know as you as you know we were active in 2022 we did $550 million share repurchase progressing well against our overall authorization and as we've demonstrated we've got the ability with our cash return framework to allow us to supplement the base with either the cash dividend or share repurchase. So looking ahead to 2023.
Our process for evaluating it remains the same I will note of course that with our cash return framework to your point the amount of cash committed to return to shareholders is going to flex up or down year to year based on the amount of F. A D generated but you know really as we think about it from a framework perspective from how we evaluate.
<unk> all that remains consistent and we'll continue to assess repurchases along with all the other priorities available to US and report back to you quarterly on our activity.
Okay.
Makes sense.
And then just on AWP could you maybe put some numbers or a range around.
What youre thinking on sequential pricing in Q1.
Obviously, there's a lot of quarter left but it is a product where should have greater relative visibility than the commodity so any thoughts there would be helpful.
Yeah, well you know as you know the the E. W. P. Market is is most closely tied to single family housing and so as we've seen that market slow. It has had an impact on AWP demand and you can see in our our quarterly numbers in terms of production. We did take some some extra holiday downtime to try to.
Match that so I think you know as we think about pricing generally it's always trying to balance market share margins operating posture et cetera. We did take a you know we did implement a targeted price reduction in AWP. You know, we'll we'll kind of see how the rest of the quarter plays out to determine what that.
Reising trajectory looks like I'm, probably not going to give specifics on the on the pricing just for competitive reasons, but I would know you know we're still obviously above pre pandemic levels and you know to the extent that we see housing start to pick up again, we feel like we're in a really good competitive position with our with our engineered wood products.
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Okay, great appreciate the color.
Yes. Thank you.
Thank you. Our final question. This morning comes from the line of Susan Mcclary with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you.
Kevin I wanted to talk a little bit about timberlands. The the overall kind of sentiment there as we think about the cyclical versus secular trends coming into this year. What is the overall appetite in sentiment there for those assets and are you seeing any differences by region.
Yeah, well you know I think the reality and we've seen this really over the last couple of years and my expectation is this is going to continue is there has been a lot of interest in the timberlands asset class and that's from the traditional players. The Reits are the team owes the private integrated's just a lot of interest there.
But we're also seeing interest come in from some new new types of investors and and I think that's really driven a lot of activity last year, we were over $5 billion of timberlands transaction activity. Our expectation is we'll still be north of 3 billion for this year. So just a.
A lot of interest there and I think it's a few things number one.
We have seen log prices trending up a little bit so that could be driving some of it but I think the bigger pieces just a lot more interest in the ESG properties of owning timberlands in an environment, where there's so much focus on climate.
They're starting to be a a better realization in recognition of some of the alternative values that are inherent in in owning timberlands and that's you know renewables carbon real estate et cetera. So just a lot of interest there my expectation is that's going to continue into 2023.
Our view is you know the the trajectory for Timberlands is is very positive in the years to come.
Okay. Thank you alright.
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