Q3 2023 AZZ Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 3: Good day and welcome to the AZZ Inc Q3 2023 earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us today to review AZZ's financial results for the third quarter of fiscal 2023 ended November 30th, 2022. Joining the call today are Tom Ferguson, President and Chief Executive Officer, Philip Schlam, Chief Financial Officer and David Nark.
Speaker 6: Senior Vice President Marketing, Communications, and Investor Relations. After the conclusion of today's prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions.
Speaker 7: Please note there is a webcast and slide presentation for today's call, which can be found on the AZZ Investor Relations page under the latest earnings presentation at AZZ.com. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that our discussion today will include forward-looking statements that are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the private securities litigate.
Speaker 8: filed by AZZ with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended February 28, 2022. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore undue reliance should not be placed upon them. Actual results could differ materially from these expectations.
Speaker 9: In addition, today's call will include a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures. non-GAAP financial measures should be considered as a Supplement 2 and not a Substitute 4 GAAP measures. I confer you to the reconciliation of non-GAAP to the nearest GAAP measure.
Speaker 10: included in today's earnings release and investor presentation for further detail. The earnings press release and Q3 presentation are posted on our website and have been included in the Form 8K submitted to the SEC. I would now like to turn the call over to Tom Ferguson, CEO . Tom?
Speaker 11: Thank you, Sandy. Welcome to AZZ's third quarter earnings call. Thank you for joining us this morning.
Speaker 12: We accomplished a lot this quarter, including completing the divestiture of 60% of our infrastructure solution segment.
Speaker 13: We also paid off over $230 million of our debt, which improves our leverage to 3.4 times eBitter.
Speaker 14: Both of our business groups grew their sales significantly and I will get into the specifics shortly, but let me first express how appreciative I am of our AZZ Metal Coatings and AZZ Precoat Metals leadership teams. I commend them for the professionalism they have demonstrated as they have maintained focus on their customers while dealing with continual supply chain and labor issues.
Speaker 15: as well as storms and other distractions. Working with leaders that demonstrate so much pride and passion for their teams and business is truly invigorating.
Speaker 16: As you can see here, we achieved nice flow through of adjusted EBITDA on the higher sales, generating over $71 million.
Speaker 17: or a 79% increase versus prior year.
Speaker 18: Net income on adjusted basis was $22 million, up 4%, resulting in adjusted EPS of $0.88.
Speaker 19: Phillip will talk about the one-time write-down on AIS shortly.
Speaker 20: Metal coating has had another strong quarter with sales up 17% to $158 million.
Speaker 21: The growth was a result of volume, the earlier acquisitions of DOM and Steel Creek, and adding tubing to the metal coatings as it was not divested along with the rest of AIS.
Speaker 22: Operating income was only up slightly versus prior year due to inflationary pressures, particularly as ink costs peaked in most of our kettles.
Speaker 23: We continue to maintain our pricing discipline and focus on delivering value to our customers.
Speaker 24: Tubing is a good business, albeit relatively small with significantly lower margins than our galvanizing business.
Speaker 25: Additionally, service technology is underperformed for the quarter.
Speaker 26: The net of these two things amounted to about 100 basis points of margin headwind for metal turret
Speaker 27: The metal coatings team has already taken actions to strengthen Surface Technology's leadership and improve performance.
Speaker 28: EVA dive almost 42 million was up 3% over prior year.
Speaker 29: We continue to benefit from our investment in DGS, or the Digital Galvanizing System, which is driving both productivity and customer service.
Speaker 30: We're also seeing potential in the longer term to improve performance of our kettles rising out of technology efforts in conjunction with Texas A&M.
Speaker 31: The outlook in the fourth quarter is for a typical winter season, and we hope to not experience any more major storms like we navigated in December .
Speaker 32: Precoat in its second full quarter with AZZ had nice sales growth to 215 million which generated over 34 million of EBITDA.
While Pre-COVID did grow its underlying unit volume modestly versus prior year, sales were lower than the second quarter due to...
normal seasonality as we have noted previously.
The lower volume sequentially has about a 100 basis point impact due to the deleveraging effect on fixed cost.
Pre-COATS' underlying business performance was solid given the continued inflation on indirect materials, labor shortages, and extraordinarily high customer-owned inventories that caused significant inefficiencies in COGS.
We have taken actions to improve the inventory situation and have focused initiatives to improve productivity at several plants.
but are still dealing with skilled labor shortages and some logistical inefficiencies.
Additionally, we have taken pricing actions to address the indirect material inflation and higher logistical costs.
We have made progress on the 10 million of synergies we have noted at the time of the acquisition. And while so far the benefits have been balanced by the cost, these will be showing up in our run rates in fiscal year 2024.
Year to date, our business on a consolidated basis has done well. To put it in perspective, we have generated sales approaching $1 billion in the first nine months, which used to be what we did all year.
We have generated over $238 million in adjusted EBITDA, which doubles the prior year. Adjusted net income of $97 million and adjusted EPS of $3.89 are up 56% versus the prior year.
For the AIS joint venture, we have recognized a little over $1 million of equity income.
While it has been a tumultuous year, we are positioned well as we finish up this fiscal year and prepare for fiscal 2024.
So now I'll turn it over to Philip.
Thanks Tom.
As Tom noted, we closed on the divestiture of our controlling interest in the AZZ Infrastructure Solutions segment to Fernwa Group at the end of September 2022, after just completing the second quarter.
As a result, we are required to report the results of operation as continuing and discontinued ops from the second quarter onward.
My commentary will focus primarily on the results from continuing operations.
I will also walk through the consolidated adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS and bridge results to our 2023 full year guidance ranges.
For comparability, I may refer to precode or AI sales so investors can track quarterly sales inputs or exclusions.
Our adjusted numbers primarily exclude impacts from additional non-cash loss recorded on the finalization of the divestiture of AIS and excludes the depreciation and amortization related to the purchase accounting effects of the precode acquisition on both the quarter and your to date results.
AZZ generated third quarter sales of $373 million, $158 million from metal coatings and $215 million from pre-coat.
One month of sales from the infrastructure segment for September prior to the divestiture of $42.3 million were included in the results from discontinued operations.
Third quarter sales reflected continued stable demand with metal coatings up 17.2% and pre-coat metals up 14.8% on a comparable prior year same quarter basis.
Gross profits from continuing operations for the third quarter totaled 73.1 million, or 19.6 percent of sales.
While aggregate profits are higher from a dollar perspective, the gross margin reflects increased cost of zinc flowing through our kettles within the metal coatings, as well as transitional operational expenses and warehousing costs for pre-coat. As Tom mentioned, we have taken steps to address these issues.
Operating margins from continuing operations were 12.2% of sales for the third quarter, as compared to 15.8% in the prior year. Excluding the impact of the pre-cote purchase to county-related amortization and depreciation of $8 million, operating margins for the quarter would have increased to 14.3% of sales.
Third quarter calculated EBITDA was $26.2 million compared to $39.8 million in the prior year same quarter. When adjusted, EBITDA for the quarter was $71.2 million or 19.1% of sales, up 78.8% compared to the prior year. EBITDA was $29.8 million compared to the prior year.
Earnings per share from consolidated operations was a loss of 97 cents, which included a $45 million loss associated primarily with a non-cash write-off and discontinued operations of the AZZ infrastructure segment related to historical currency translation adjustments.
Excluding the loss and including the DNA from pre-co-purchase accounting, third quarter EPS was 88 cents, an increase of 3.5% versus 85 cents in the prior year quarter.
Year-to-date sales from continuing operations were $987.1 million, generating reported EBITDA of $63.3 million and adjusted EBITDA of $238.5 million.
Dear to date, reported EPS was a loss of $2.35 as a result of the finalization of the AISrooms are ill.
Your daily adjusted EPS was 389.
Year-to-date diluted EPS from continuing operations was $2.17, an increase of 39% compared to $1.55 diluted EPS from continuing operations through the third quarter of last year.
Cash flows from continuing operations for the nine months.
or 68.6 million compared with 45.9 million in the prior year.
Our year-to-date capital expenditures from continuing operations were $35.1 million, compared with $15.8 million in the prior year.
The year-over-year capital increase was planned and contemplated in our strategic rationale associated with the precode acquisition.
In terms of capital allocation, the company's balance sheet is strong and we continue to maintain a prudent capital allocation strategy.
utilizing proceeds received from the divestiture of AIS, in addition to cash from operations.
We reduced outstanding debt by $230 million.
We invested $18.3 million during the quarter in capital expenditures.
We expect to invest roughly $45 million in capital expenditures for the full fiscal year as we shuffle capital spending around due to continued supply chain disruptions.
Shareholder returns to common shareholders included Q3 dividend payments of $4.2 million, which represents an estimated annual dividend yield of 1.6% based on Friday's closing price.
We have an active pipeline of acquisition targets, however do not plan any actionable actions.
in the near-term horizon.
As we focus on reducing debt, we do not anticipate any share repurchases.
As subscribed above, we reduced our terminal B.
By $230 million, it improved our leverage to 3.4 times, a good step towards our 2024 of getting back to our under 3 times leverage.
As discussed last quarter, we have roughly 50% of our existing terminal B debt covered by swap agreement to reduce further interest rate exposure.
Lastly, other than our current three and a quarter million mandatory quarterly principal payments on our term loan, we do not have any maturities until 2027.
I'll now turn it back to Tom for his closing comments.
Thanks, Philip.
Market activity generally for metal coatings is normal given we are in the seasonally slower winter months.
Fabrication activity remains solid. Zinc costs have peaked in most of our plants and will begin to normalize with current market levels.
Free code is more reliant on the construction sectors, so they are typically more impacted by the winter season and major storms like we had over Christmas.
We are beginning to see customer inventories normalize as supply chain disruptions are easing somewhat.
and due to some of the actions we have already taken.
Our pricing actions are also catching up to some of the inflationary labor, energy, and non-paint materials costs.
Naturally, we are continuing to focus on debt reduction, monitoring customer credit carefully, and ensuring effective capex deployment.
We are maintaining our sales guidance of $1.275 to $1.325 billion and also our adjusted EBITDA guidance of $285 to $305 million.
We are raising our adjusted EPS guidance by 25 cents from the $3.80 to $4 range to $4.05.
from $4.05 to $4.25.
This is based on the strong third quarter and the outlook for the businesses that we have previously discussed.
This guidance does not include any potential equity income that we might receive in the fourth quarter from our 40% share of avail.
I will also note that the fourth quarter EPS will be impacted by a more normalized tax rate than we experienced in the third quarter.
dividends and preferred equity.
or dividends on preferred equity in seasonally slower volumes.
Our guidance reflects these impacts.
As a reminder, we will be getting back into our normal cadence on annual guidance and we'll be issuing fiscal 2024 guidance in a few weeks.
AZZ is the leading independent hot tip galvanizing and coil coating company with an irreplaceable footprint serving a broad and diverse set of markets.
As a high-value add tolling business, we are not directly exposed to metal commodities, have the ability to shed variable costs quickly, and thus are able to protect our margins pretty well during downturns.
We generate great margins, returns, and free cash flow by focusing on providing outstanding value to our customers, emphasizing operational excellence, and continuing to innovate and develop our technology.
With that, we'll open it up for questions.
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Yes, now.
The first question comes from John .
Franz Reeb with Sdadi & Company. Please go ahead.
Good morning guys and thanks for taking the questions.
I'd like to start with the metals coatings business and incurring the high zinc costs. Can you talk a little bit about where you stand as far as those costs coming down and what's the margin profile look like in the current quarter versus Q3?
On the
Margin profile, I think our zinc has peaked in December .
And so we'll start to see some decreases as we move forward into the fourth quarter and into fiscal year 2024.
Okay, and what was the impact in Q3 of the highest zinc on the segment?
Thank you very much.
We really don't disclose that.
I'd say typically we're, well because of keeping in mind that we try to price in line with
those ain't costs.
So while we've kept our pricing discipline, I think the overall impact we'd probably
I'd say we're looking at maybe 100 basis points overall.
kind of that headwind as
We have about six months of zinc in our kettles, but there's a range of costs in each kettle across the fleet.
Okay, and on the pre-code side of the business, you talked about productivity issues at several plants, as you said, Tom, and you also talked about lower volume hurting the out margin profile by about 100 basis points. I guess two questions here.
Is the balance of the volume sequentially? Is that the productivity issue? Is there anything else going on? And can you just remind us what the productivity issues are and when do you expect them to be resolved?
Yeah, we've got a couple of different things going on. I think we've mentioned the very extremely high levels of customer inventory, which if you go into one of most of Preco's plants, that tends to get in the way of being efficient logistically and moving materials, which we're a material hand-
in the majority of the plants.
We do have three or four plants that have struggled with, I'll call it the mix of their business, so taking some of the lower margin type activity to maintain absorption levels and keep flow. That's something that's going to take us.
probably a couple of quarters to work out. We've made some adjustments. We have several initiatives. There's a really good team within Precoat of operating support and focus on quality. So, but I, you know, that's gonna take a couple quarters. We're gonna be into next year before we see that.
moved significantly. In terms of, we talked about the fixed cost leverage, you know, that deleveraging effect as we had talked about, kind of just mostly because of how our fiscal quarters fall or freak out.
tends to hit the worst five months of the year in the third and fourth quarters. Fourth quarter is basically all winter, which construction activity is less, and a lot of the metals building customers.
are managing their inventories and managing their business. So that part of the fixed cost deleveraging will continue through the fourth quarter. Then we hope for an early spring in March and bounce back to the really strong first and second quarters.
Okay, thanks for taking my questions. I'll actually get back into queue.
All right, thanks John .
Our next question comes from Noel Diltz with Stiefel. Please go ahead with your question.
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. First, I was wondering if you could expand on the underperformance that you mentioned in surface technologies and if you could quantify that impact, that would be great and maybe how quickly you think that you'll start to.
make some of those improvements that you referenced.
Yeah, it's not a huge impact overall, but it's enough to move the needle. So, you know, you're looking at a business of...
what, maybe six, seven million dollars a quarter, but really low margins, lower than we've experienced. So the leadership changes were made several months ago. And so I think that takes a little bit of time to gain traction, we like the initiatives.
We find powderconing to be better than the plating side. So these are all adjustments in how we're targeting the customers, how we're approaching the business, and then driving the normal focus on efficiencies, productivity at the
fiscal year if you could just walk us through some of the you know puts and takes in terms of growth I know obviously you're you know continuing to gain share or see increased penetration of pre-coated metals but I would think some of the more you know residential or consumer facing parts of the pieces of the business might might be a little bit more of a headwind so
Could you just give us a sense of how you're thinking directionally about growth? Thanks.
Yeah, I think when it comes to, you know, residential construction is, isn't a huge piece. I'm going to let David talk to the markets a little bit here in just a second. But so for Pre-Coat, you know, the focus is, you know, obviously it was just disruptive to the Pre-Coat leadership team going through this whole process and then coming on.
public company. So I'd say we're through the vast majority of that. We don't anticipate any major systems integrations or activities that can be disruptive as we go through at least the first part of next year. So I anticipate, well I don't anticipate, I know.
The focus is going to be on continuing to drive value with the customers. I do think there's opportunities to more quickly drive productivity and efficiency improvements. The team's really focused on that and as some of these customer inventories are coming down, which they are, that's starting to open up the ability to drive their traditional successful sales
productivity and efficiencies in their plants. The plants that are underperforming, there's a plan there and the team is very, very focused on that. It just takes a while. These are highly automated plants, takes a little time to gain traction on that.
But these are things that we've been focused on since they've been in fold. So I think what those market headwinds you mentioned, that is going to have, that is, those are true headwinds.
I think we'll focus on continuing to grow share. And then we'll see how the economy goes. So our focus is going to be more on let's improve our profitability on the volumes that we have and drive the efficiencies, make sure that we maintain that stability.
We do think there's some synergies between on the sales side, and so we have really good effort going on there. But that takes two or three quarters to gain traction on. So as we get through the first quarter and into the second
I think we'll start to see the benefits of those things. The hard synergies, we've generated some of those, but the cost have offset it. So I'm pretty enthusiastic about both of our businesses, but both of them are going to be focused more on protecting their profitability, driving improvements.
And then we'll see where the volumes go. And David, if you want to talk about where you see construction and things. Sure, thanks Tom. Yeah, a couple of things Noel. You know, non-residential construction still remains pretty good, particularly on the pre-code side with metal intensive sectors like warehousing and manufacturing.
faring pretty well. We do have a specification of pre-painted insulated metal panels in things like data centers and cold storage construction, which continues to be a positive trend for them. When you take a look at the residential construction, as you know, single-family housing starts have struggled.
in the broader market, but multifamily remains quite strong. We do have the use of pre-painted metal roofing continuing to gain traction in multiple markets within residential, so we think that's going to be a positive for us going forward. Appliance and HVAC shipments have eased quite a bit.
from the solid pace experienced earlier in the year and again that related to general market and economic slowdown in the US. But the container market which we've talked about on previous calls particularly the beverage can shipments have benefited from favorable secular growth trends and the switch to aluminum.
for recyclability and consumer packaging preferences. So those are some of the highlights on the pre-code side specific to your question.
Okay, great. That's really helpful. I know you're not including the JV income in the fourth quarter.
Would you anticipate that you would start to include that in guidance as you look at next year, or is that still sort of a TBD item? Thanks. Thank you.
You know, we did have our first board meeting yesterday and we liked the leadership team. So they're very disciplined and focused. They're getting through the usual purchase price accounting.
things to go from.
being part of AZZ to being a private company. I think I'd like to give them a little bit of time, call it a quarter. So I don't think we're gonna be able to give guidance on what that equity income's gonna look like as we issue our guidance.
I do think as we get into next year, I think we're going to be able to start providing some general guidance on what that equity income is going to look like for the balance of next year. But I think we've got to let them get through at least another quarter of their operations.
and how they're managing the business and what their focus is. So my intent is not to have it in this guidance that we give towards the end of January , but that hopefully we can start to provide better context as we...
hopefully by the time we do our full year earnings call.
Okay, very good. Thank you.
Our next question comes from John Brates with Kansas City Capital. Please go ahead. Good morning everyone. Hi Mayor slick. I'm Jim P
Hey morning Tom, uh going back to the Precoat you mentioned that a couple facilities took on some I guess lower margin business and
I guess as you look forward, how do you balance that against maybe some weakness in general market activity? How do you balance maybe taking maybe additional lower margin business versus saying no and nail down
and risking maybe a little bit more de-leveraging of the cost side of the equation.
Yeah, I think that's...
We're spending a lot of time with the Pre-Co team, which was actually really enjoyable because it's so similar to our galvanizing business.
But yeah, we're focused on profitable growth. So they've got great indicators in terms of...
you know, how they're running their paint efficiencies, productivity.
line feet per hour per day, all that kind of thing per minute.
So there's a balancing act, but I think we want to defend our market share. We are focused on what things are more profitable than others. We have made some leadership changes in a couple of those plants already.
And we anticipate that that's going to start to drive better performance, better consistency. Because right now it's hard to say for sure that certain business isn't all that profitable when you've got some underperforming.
operational issues. So, you know, dealing with that and the team's been dealing with that, so it's not like they've been sitting there. But those plants are also in markets where labor is even more constrained.
And while I'm not going to give any specifics on which plants those are, they are in more labor constrained markets. So we're having to pay more to get the folks we need, which we're willing to do because labor is still a relatively small piece of our overall cost structure in pre-code.
So, but yeah, we want to defend share overall, take care of our customers, and then carefully balance the share, the Blackstock and put it on done.
fixed cost absorption in those plants as well as against the overall. So that's a mouthful that I just gave you, but I can tell you it's a daily, weekly,
review that the Pre-Code team does on this. So they're looking at this every single day. And moving business between plants if they're finding they're not serving their customers. So sometimes it's where we've been taking some expense to move it to the right places where we can serve as the customer the best.
Yep, okay, okay. Secondly, on the galvanizing metal coating operation, you talked about zinc costs being relatively high. But natural gas costs have come down sharply here in the last 90 days. How much of an impact might that have on the margins of the business?
flow with the utilities, you know, we won't be seeing some of that until we get into next year anyways. Okay, okay, all right. All right, thank you very much.
All right, thanks.
Our next question comes from John Fransree with Sdadi & Company. Please go ahead.
Hi guys, thanks for taking the follow-up. Just a little bit of questions about the guidance here. FACSAT has the 9-month number at 352 and I believe on page 7 you have it at 389 and your guidance is you know 405 to 425.
I just want to know if we can kind of Reconciliate what the number is we should be using as a baseline number In relationship to your guidance because we're using that 389 number. It seems like a really sizable drop in the in the fourth quarter Can you just help us there?
Yeah, I think, John , that's a good question and...
Fourth quarter will be seasonally lower than the first nine months of the year.
We've had a lot of change in the operations with the acquisition of pre-coat metals and the divestiture of controlling interest.
or AIS infrastructure. Some of those outlets don't have fully updated numbers, so David's been working with those outlets on getting better historical numbers. But 389 is where we're bridging from for the guidance.
So that suggests a number between 16 and 36 cents for the fourth quarter. Am I understanding that properly, Phil? Yeah, that's, you know, that's the way it'll flow. Obviously it's...
significantly lower volumes on the seasonality as we've talked about for particularly for pre-coat. On the metal coating side I think we will kind of see the the tailing off of these high zinc costs and we are you know doing everything we can to hold price.
So yeah, this is probably our ugliest quarter, and then Q1 we get into the spring and build up into what I think going forward will traditionally be our strongest two quarters in the first half of the year.
And I guess just a nagging question, what kind of share count are you using on that 389 and what are you thinking about for the full year? I just kind of bounced around based on…
You know the profitability I guess level that's based on the dilutive and an end diluted features We're using about 25 million shares in the calculation John in the fourth quarter to finish out on Tom's question What's putting pressure is we you know seasonally have lower sales
And we do have the fixed cost of our interest on the debt and then the preferred dividends on our Black-Salmon preferred equity. So that's what's pushing a little pressure in that seasonally low fourth quarter. Well, we also had the unusually low tax rate in the third quarter. So that starts to normalize or go back towards normal in Q4.
Yeah, we'd expect taxes to normalize in the 24% range for fiscal 24%.
They took my question. Thank you very much, Phil. Appreciate it. Thanks, John . All right.
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Tom Ferguson for any closing remarks.
Yeah, we really are excited about the addition of pre-code metals, and particularly as we see how well the culture and leadership teams fit with our metal coatings team. Both teams live by the same values, have almost identical operating cultures, so we look forward to sharing next year's outlook and guidance within the next few weeks.
As we get back into the normal corporate operating mode, I also look for us to be able to provide a lot better clarity and transparency on what's in our margins and how to look at those going forward. I know everybody would prefer that. So we'll get out of the big adjustment mode and into stable operations.
we're getting back to growing share and driving profitability. So thank you for joining us today.
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that against maybe some weakness in general market activity, how do you balance maybe taking maybe additional lower margin business versus saying no and risking maybe a little bit more deleveraging of the cost side of the equation? Yeah, I think we're spending a lot of time with the Preco team which was actually really enjoyable because it's so similar to our galvanizing business. But yeah, we're focused on profitable growth and so they've got great indicators in terms of how they're running their paint efficiencies, productivity, line feet per hour, per day, all that kind of thing per minute. So there's a balancing act but I think we want to defend our market share. We are focused on what things are more profitable than others. We have made some leadership changes in a couple of those plants already and we anticipate that that's going to start to drive better performance, better consistency and because right now it's hard to say for sure that certain business isn't all that profitable when you've got some underperforming.