Q4 2022 Xylem Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 8: Thank you operator, good morning everyone and welcome to the Silence 4th quarter in full year 2022 earnings call.
Speaker 9: With me today are Chief Executive Officer Patrick Decker, Chief Financial Officer Sandy Rowland, and Chief Operating Officer Matthew Pine. They will provide their perspective on Zylin's fourth quarter and full year 2022 results and discuss our outlook and guidance for 2023.
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Speaker 13: Please turn to slide three. We have provided you with a summary of our key performance metrics, including both GAAP and non-GAAP metrics. For purposes of today's call, all references will be on an organic and adjusted basis, unless otherwise indicated. And non-GAAP financials have been reconciled for you and are included in the appendix section of the presentation.
Speaker 14: Now please turn to slide 4 and I'll turn the call over to our CEO Patrick Decker.
Speaker 15: Thanks Andrea and good morning everyone. As we indicated in our press release, the team delivered a very strong operational performance in the fourth quarter, exceeding our expectations across each segment and region.
Speaker 16: Resilient demand and strong backlog execution delivered 20% revenue growth for the quarter and healthy EBITDA margin expansion.
Speaker 17: That performance continued and built upon the team's solid delivery through the year, fueling healthy momentum coming into 2023.
Speaker 18: On a full-year basis, revenue grew 11 percent and earnings per share grew 14 percent.
Speaker 19: Water infrastructure grew 15% in the quarter on robust utilities and industrial demand in the US and Western Europe , and this segment was up 12% for the full year.
Speaker 20: The segment was up 35% in the quarter on backlog execution from improved chip supply and continued strong demand, bringing full-year growth to 8%. Applied water grew 17% in the quarter and finished 2022 with 14% growth for the full year. Overall, higher volumes and positive price cost performance grew significant EBITDA margin expansion in the quarter. Up 250 basis points versus the same period a year ago.
Speaker 21: The team delivered that growth and margin performance on continuing resilient demand globally.
Speaker 22: We saw healthy orders grow sequentially, and for the full year, orders were up 4%, demonstrating the durability of our business.
Speaker 23: I am so proud of the team's performance in serving our customers and of their commitment to our purpose, solving water.
Speaker 24: The global trans driving investment and water systems continue to intensify.
Speaker 25: And at today's results demonstrate, we are already very strongly positioned to address them.
Speaker 26: That said, our recent agreement to acquire Evoqua, announced two weeks ago, will create a powerful platform to address the world's most critical water challenges with greater capability, depth, and scale.
Speaker 27: We've begun the important work of integration planning to set the combined company up for success and are well into the process of seeking the necessary approvals.
Speaker 28: Until the deal closes, which we anticipate will be mid-year, we remain focused on delivering results for the stakeholders we serve today.
Speaker 29: On that standalone basis, we see continuing resilient demand in our largest end markets, particularly utilities, despite the possibility of macroeconomic softness.
Speaker 30: Execution of our backlogs with ongoing price cost discipline.
Speaker 31: We expect that this will allow us to deliver 2023 organic revenue growth in the mid single digits, with solid EBITDA margin expansion, resulting in earnings per share between $3 and $3.25, up 10% versus last year at the midpoint of the range. We'll give more color on the outlook and guide in a moment, but first I'll hand it over to Sandy to dig in briefly on the quarter's results before we look ahead at 2023.
Speaker 32: Thanks Patrick. Please turn to slide five and I'll cover our fourth quarter results. As Patrick highlighted, the team closed out a strong 2022 with another quarter of robust growth and margin expansion.
Revenue grew 20% year over year, led by 26% growth in the US and mid-teen growth in Western Europe and the emerging markets.
In a moment, I'll give you detailed performance by segment, but in short, utilities was up 24 percent with strengths in the U.S. driven by chip supply improvements in M&C-S and robust op-x demand in water infrastructure.
Industrial grew 15% on particularly strong demand in Western Europe and emerging markets, and sustained strength in the US.
And residential was up 17%, driven by strength in emerging markets, partially offset by softness in the US. Compared to prior year, orders were down 3% in the quarter versus up 23% in the same period last year. But underlying demand remains resilient and in line sequentially. Water infrastructure orders were up 13%, AWS down 6%, and MNCS down 19%, following exceptionally high orders last year. However, MNCS orders were in line with the last quarter.
with a book-to-bill ratio of 1.1 times. EBITDA margin was 18.7%, up 250 basis points from the prior year, and up 40 basis points sequentially, on strong volume and price, which more than offset inflation.
Our EPS in the quarter was 92 cents, up 46% year over year.
Please turn to slide 6 and I'll review the Corders Segment Performance in a bit more detail.
Water infrastructure outperformed expectations with revenues of 15% in the quarter. Growth was robust across the portfolio led by our wastewater utility business in the U.S. and industrial strength in emerging markets on continued due watering demand.
Geographically, the US was up 26% with solid price realization on strong utilities op-ext demand and continued improvements in the supply chain.
Western Europe grew low double digits driven by healthy industrial activity. And emerging markets was also up low double digits driven by dewatering demand in Latin America and Africa.
margin for the segment was up 80 basis points as price, net of inflation, and volume conversion more than offset strategic investments. Please turn to page 7. The applied water segment also exceeded expectations with fourth quarter revenues up 17%. The applied water segment was up 80 basis points as price, net of inflation, and volume conversion more than offset strategic investments.
on strong price realization and backlog execution. Geographically, Western Europe was up over 20% led by supply chain improvements in strong industrial and commercial demand.
Emerging market was up mid-double digits on strong residential demand in the Middle East and India.
The US was up low double digits as supply chain improvements and price realization were partially offset by moderating residential volumes.
Orders were down 6% in the quarter with healthy industrial demand in the U.S. and Western Europe offset by slowing U.S. residential orders.
Segment EBITDA margin was up 270 basis points in the quarter. Margin expansion was driven by continued strong price realization, more than offsetting inflation.
and further supplemented by productivity savings.
And now let's turn to slide 8 and I'll cover our measurement and control solutions business.
MNCS revenue was up 35% driven by recoveries in chip supply year over year and strong project execution in our test and measurement and pipeline assessment services businesses.
Geographically, all regions were up more than 20%, led by U.S. growth of over 40%.
MNCS orders were down 19% in the quarter, lapping a prior year compare of 28% orders growth during the peak of supply change in strength.
Demand for our AMI offering remains strong, and our $2.1 billion backlog in MNCS is up 14% versus prior year.
EBITDA margin for the segment was up 800 basis points versus the prior year, and importantly, 130 basis points quarter sequentially.
Strong volume conversion coupled with price realization, offsetting inflation, drove the expansion.
And now let's turn to slide 9 for an overview of cash flows and the company's financial position.
In the fourth quarter, we generated free cash flow of $302 million. The team did a great job driving down working capital to hit our previous outlook of 80% free cash flow conversion for the year.
While inventory remains elevated versus where we target it to be longer term, as there still are pockets of the supply chain that necessitate the extra safety stock that we are carrying, our performance in Q4 gives us confidence in our path to return to 100% conversion in 2023.
Our financial position remains robust as we exit the year with over 900 million in cash and available liquidity of 1.7 billion.
And this is after paying down over $500 million of debt in December .
Net debt to EBITDA leverage is 1.0 times.
Please turn to slide 10 and I'll hand back to Patrick to look forward at 2023.
Thanks, Andy. The team did an excellent job delivering for our customers and communities in 2022.
Their commitment and performance stood out during a tumultuous year of global economic and geopolitical uncertainty, lingering pandemic effects, especially in China, and a challenging supply chain environment.
I'm very proud of everything the team achieved, and they are already carrying all that commercial momentum, operational discipline, and resilience into 2023.
As we look forward, we see continued healthy demand in our major markets, despite the possibility of macroeconomic softness in certain sectors of the global economy.
We expect that the essential nature of our solutions and the secular trends in water will continue to underpin demand in the attractive, stable end markets that we serve.
And we expect to be even better able to serve that demand as supply chain friction continues to ease and we can progressively work down our $3.6 billion backlogs.
Looking ahead, we're advancing our strategic delivery of solutions to the acquisition of Evoqua.
As I mentioned earlier, and as you would expect, until the deal closes, we are only providing organic guidance for Xylem on a standalone basis.
But there's no doubt that the combination of Xylem's global utility scale and a vocal strength and attractive industrial end markets creates a powerful platform for growth. We expect significant revenue synergies in areas such as cross-selling of our respective utility and industrial portfolios in North America.
And growing Evoque was international exposure via Xylem's global channels and customer relationships.
Now those are just two of the areas where we see tremendous potential to add to the growth of the combined companies and expand our value to customers globally, especially in a number of the most attractive water end markets.
But it's not the only inorganic move we're making to give customers more of what they need most.
We've also taken a big step forward in helping them adopt the digital solutions they need to increase the resilience of communities' essential water infrastructure.
In the shadow of our big announcement with VOCA, another important partnership flew under the radar.
One, which will accelerate and enhance our ability to deliver more digital solutions to utility customers around the world.
Last quarter, we signed an exclusive commercial partnership with Adriqa to make adoption of digital technologies easier, faster, and more affordable for our utility customers.
Headquartered in Valencia, Spain, Adriqa is a leader in data management and analytics for water utilities.
A Drika's Galagua platform simplifies deployment and operation of new digital capabilities in any water utilities operations.
It gives them one secure, integrated interface that brings together data capture, analytics, and asset and process management onto one platform.
Having been born out of a utility operator itself, the platform has the advantage of having been built by utility for utilities.
and it's already been deployed by over 300 customers around the world.
Under the partnership, we will take a minority stake in Adriqa and become the exclusive global distributor of their technology.
Together, we will enable more utilities to harness the power of connected solutions.
We're very excited about it and we look forward to sharing more as the partnership progresses.
We made one other important announcement recently. This one was just before the end of the year. Appointing Matthew Pine as Chief Operating Officer. The move ensures that we have continuing focus on operational excellence from an enterprise perspective across all our business segments and regions.
to continue delivering on our commitment to faster the market revenue growth and margin expansion.
At the same time, it's also freed up some of my capacity to deliver on Xylem's strategic evolution and capital deployment.
In a moment, we'll turn the call back to Sandy for more detail on our guide. But first, I want to invite Matthew to say a few words on his key areas of focus in the new role and provide some color on our end-market outlook. Matthew?
Thanks, Patrick. We were very strongly positioned on intensifying trends with technology leadership and a large and growing installed base in attractive end markets. My focus is chief operating officers is to further accelerate profitable growth and maximize the value we delivered to customers and communities around the world. Across the business, we continue to remove complexity, increase our local agility.
and unlock further scale efficiencies. This is all aimed, of course, at better serving our customers at the same time we deliver continuing margin expansion.
we're driving this margin focus across the enterprise, taking particular aim at even more enhanced productivity and customer satisfaction.
For example, in the MNCS segment, improvements in chip supply enabled us to build momentum, delivering the accretive backlog,
redeploy resources back to productivity, as well as new product introductions from innovation.
Secondly, we continue to enhance our digital portfolio as Patrick covered.
Our customers need simple, integrated digital technologies that solve their problems cost effectively.
Our portfolio increasingly meets that demand with attractive growth and margin profiles.
Lastly, our customers depend on Xylem as a trusted partner to deliver ongoing support.
So our third operational focus is in standardizing our solutions and creating new offerings.
This will take us deeper into our installed base with aftermarket sales and services.
New offerings, such as outcome-based solutions and condition-based maintenance, will enable us to capture demand, address customers' needs, and expand reoccurring revenues.
It's no accident that there's a theme running through all three of these priorities. Each is about growing revenues and improving our margins by serving our customers better.
More thoroughly and more simply, making it even easier for them to do business with us and solve more of their challenges.
When we talk about being in a privileged position, that's not meant solely to refer to our strategic or market positioning.
It also reflects our view that we are fortunate to work alongside the kind of customers that we do Partner with them to solve their critical water water challenges they face
It's a privilege and also a great opportunity for continuing value creation from our shareholders, communities, and all stakeholders.
Now let's turn to slide 11 and I'll walk you through or end market outlook.
We expect underlying demand and most of our end markets will continue to be healthy through 2023.
We take in a balanced view based on the strength of our backlog, critical nature of our largest end markets, and the continued value proposition of our differentiated products.
We anticipate our utility business overall, which is our largest end market, will grow high single digits in 2023. On the wastewater side, we expect mid single digit growth as we see a continuation of steady global demand.
We anticipate resilient op-ex demand in developed markets due to the critical nature of our offerings.
as well as the benefit of continued CAP-X spend in emerging markets.
The outlook for longer-term capital project spending and bid activity remains robust.
On the Clean Water side, we anticipate revenues being up low teens.
This growth is driven by continued robust demand for our AMI solutions and expected improvements in chip supply through 2023, allowing for significant large-deal deployments already secured in our backlog.
We foresee healthy momentum in our test and measurement and our pipeline assessment service businesses due to increased focus on infrastructure and climate challenges.
Looking at the industrial end market, we expect to go low to mid-single digits on steady demand for our solutions globally.
We continue to see strong growth in dewatering due to mining demand in emerging markets and the benefits of our strategic investments in our US and European dewatering business.
The commercial end market should deliver low single digit growth on solid replacement business and backlog execution.
partially offset by moderation and new construction.
In residential smallest end market, we are expecting low single digit decline due to normalizing demand in the US.
partially offset by continued strength in emerging markets.
In both commercial and residential, we would expect moderation to emerge in the second half results as we continue to work through the backlog in the first half of 2023.
Now I'll turn it over to Sandy to walk you through our updated guidance.
Thank you, Matthew. Turning to slide 12. As mentioned, we expect Evoqua to join us in mid-2023. Until then, our full year guidance is on an organic basis and excludes the combination of the two companies.
For Xylem overall, we foresee full year 2023 revenue growth in the range of 4-6%.
This breaks down by segment as follows.
Mid-single-digit growth and water infrastructure would solid growth in both wastewater utilities and industrial.
Low single-digit growth in applied water from growth in industrial and commercial, partially offset by residential.
We expect measurement and control solutions to be upload teams.
For 2023, we expect EBITDA to be in the range of 17.5 to 18%. This represents a 50 to 100 basis point margin expansion versus prior year.
And this yields an EPS range of $3 to $3.25, up 10% at the midpoint over the prior year.
Free cash flow conversion is expected to be 100% of net income.
In addition, today we announced an increase in our annual dividend of 10 percent, a line with our capital allocation framework to grow dividends in line with earnings.
We have also provided you with a number of other full year assumptions in the slide to supplement your models. We have also provided you with a number of other full year assumptions in the slide to supplement your models.
We're assuming a euro to dollar conversion rate of 1.08. And as foreign exchange can be volatile, FX sensitivity table is included in the appendix.
And now drilling down on the first quarter, we anticipate total company revenues will be in the range of 7 to 9 percent growth.
By segment, we expect high single-digit growth in water infrastructure, low single digits in applied water, and high teens growth for MNCS.
We expect first quarter EBITDA margin to be approximately 16%, driven by higher volumes and more favorable price-cost dynamics.
And with that, please turn to slide 13 and I'll turn the call back over to Patrick for closing comments.
Thanks, Sandy. We're coming in to 2023 very strongly positioned.
Our end-markets continue to show resilient underlying demand.
We're confident in delivering mid-single-digit revenue growth and strong margin expansion, and the team continues to outperform on strong operational and commercial execution.
Beyond 2023.
We remain well on track to deliver our longer-term strategic and financial milestones.
We are very excited about all of the combination of Xylem and evokeable offer toward the creation of a more water secure, resilient, and sustainable world, while driving value for our shareholders by accelerating growth and scale.
The integration team met last week at our headquarters in DC.
the first of many meetings to set us up for success on day one.
And last week, I traveled with Ron Keating of Ocasio to a number of their key sites to spend time with their incredibly talented people.
Those visits only heighten my appreciation of the potential opportunities ahead and confirm the strong strategic and cultural fit of our two companies.
We've also taken the next step in the regulatory process, having submitted the required filings here in the U.S. and progressing toward filings in the relevant international jurisdictions. We continue to anticipate the deal closing mid-year.
A great deal of opportunity will open up when we bring our two companies together.
During our next earnings call, we will provide an update on our progress.
Meanwhile, our business remains squarely focused on delivering on our 2023 financial commitments and continuing our commercial momentum and execution.
Now operator, I'll turn the call back over to you for questions.
We'll take our first question from Dean Dre with RBC Capital Markets.
from Dean Dre with RBC Capital Markets.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Good morning, Dan. Good morning.
Hey, uh, strong finish to the year, both revenues and margins. And I'll just want to say congrats again on finally getting to the altar on Evoque. This has made strategic sense for so long and have a mid-year target. Closing is lightning fast in our view. I know that there's a lot of heavy lifting, so best of luck.
both revenues and margins. I just want to say congrats again on finally getting to the altar on Eboqua. This has made strategic sense for so long and having mid-year target closing is lightning fast and our view. I know that's there's a lot of heavy lifting so best of luck. Thank you very much Dean.
Hey, can we start with MNCS margins? It sounds like the two drivers here, the chip supply improving, and this has been kind of a steady story for the past couple of quarters. How much have you worked through that backlog, and how much of the chip supply?
Improvement contributed to the margin improvement in the segment. And then I've seen a nice shout out for pipeline assessment. Is this all pure and what's driving that? Thanks.
Yeah, Dean, thanks for the question. Let me start and Matt, you can add some color here. So we are very pleased with our Q4 performance in MNCS. The year has unfolded very much like we thought it would with continuing improvement in chip supply.
The story in Q4 is actually a two-fold story. We saw some upside compared to what we had forecast, and half of that upside came from some better chip supply. And the other half of the upside came from some of our other businesses in the portfolio that we don't talk as much about.
our pipeline assessment services business, a lot of projects were completed in Q4, really good results in our test and measurement business. And you know, all of the, really the entire portfolio across MNCS has good margin potential and good leverage. And so, you know, as we've got the top line going again.
we're really encouraged that you're seeing that drop to the bottom line.
Yeah, I think the only thing I would add, Dean, is that we did pivot in Q4 to more continuous improvement as we started to roll off of our product redesigns. So we saw a really good lift in Q4 and continuous improvement. And if you look at the price cost and the exit rate in Q4, there was really solid building momentum. This was, if you recall, this was the last...
segment to really be impacted by inflation and really overcoming that in Q4, which also led to the margin improvement.
All sounds good. And just as a follow up, I was hoping to get some more color on this announcement of the software platform investment, Edrica. If you listen to all of the trade shows and conferences, the biggest pain point for utilities is they get so much data.
but none of it is connected and it's all different formats. So this sounds really promising if it's one platform that then is able to integrate all of this. So some color on the pricing. Is this a SaaS business, is it on-prem, is it licensed?
How will it fit in terms of the revenue stream? And you've got 300 customers now, what's the pipeline for new customers, new logos? Thanks.
So Dean, I'll just make a few comments and I'll have Matthew go a little deeper because Matthew was part of the team that was integral to this courtship over the course of the past year or more, so he's well versed along with other team members on the opportunity here. But you're right, you said it best, it's the amalgamation of data coming from different data sources that's...
but overlaying this solution to where effectively the way I describe it is it's almost as if they built the interoperable operating software on which our operating technologies will sit along with other apps that make it easier for the utility user to interface. But Matthew, you want to talk a little bit about pricing and just the opportunity and the upside.
Yeah, so from a pricing point of view, Dean, it really there's an implementation cost, obviously, to go implement the platform, which is a fee. And then it's really to your point, a software is a service. It's a subscription fee that's ongoing in some term. It's really the model that we built.
And just really amplifying your point, again, one of the biggest pain points we hear, and we believe really this partnership will translate into really the digital adoption rates in the water sector. We see this as really being an aggregator in terms of bringing all these disparate systems together that Patrick mentioned. And our teams are engaged in building commercial momentum. We've implemented a few pilots.
that are starting to see great results from our collaboration already. But as we ramp through the year and build backlog, that will start to really unpack in Q4 and into 24.
And I would clarify, Dean, that when we say pilots in this case, these are actual commercial arrangements that are revenue generating. It's not a pilot where we're going and testing something. So we've already had some very impressive potential wins there that we'll talk about in the hopefully next quarter.
It's all great to hear. Thank you.
Thank you.
And we'll take our next question from Joe Giordano with Cowen.
Hey guys, good morning.
Good morning, Joe. Hey, Jeff. Hey, so I just want to follow up on that Eadrika stuff real quick and then move on but
Is that something that utilities would put in like on top of what they already have or would it like more likely go like something that they would decide to move forward with like if they're putting in a new deployment.
You know, a lot of utilities don't have anything like this, so it's really on top of what they have, Joe, and it's integrating all their disparate systems, their SCADA systems, their PLC systems, their ERPs. Anything that's bringing data into their ecosystem gets consolidated into the platform with one dashboard and one interface. And if you think about a lot of the challenges of our utility customers and lots of different...
I would just add, when we say it's built by utility for utilities, is that there are many other solutions that are out there, but they can tend to be quite complex and overly sophisticated. And this really allows them to design a solution that meets the utility where they are on the journey.
And then you guys were spending like decent amount of resources kind of thinking about developing something like this internally as Correct. So now that you've made this decision here, which looks like it's already kind of packaged and ready ready to go for you How do you reallocate the resources and what kind of impact does that have of not not spending money trying to develop this internally? Yeah, so I think that's a great, you know, great question Joe, you know There are certainly some overlaps between what we're spending money on from an R&D perspective You know just to remind you the structure of the transaction is that
It's a commercial agreement which allows us to take the product and sell it on a global basis. And on top of that, we have a minority investment. And so, you know, there are certain things that we're going to keep going on our end. And then there are certain things that we're going to be able to leverage between the two companies. You know, there are certainly some synergies there.
but really this is a growth play.
This is a gross play. Yeah.
Okay, I just want to move to the 1Q guide here. Can you kind of talk a little bit about a bridge from maybe where we're exiting to where we are in 1Q? Yeah, I'm trying to discern how much of this is being conservative versus how much is it? You guess it's early in the year and it's uncertain year. Like if I look at let's say applied for example or even M&TES, you know.
You're guiding a fly basically up low single digits for the quarter and for the year. I would have thought that just given what's happening in Resy, maybe it starts the year well above that and then finishes maybe flattish. So now you're kind of anticipating similar growth all year. Talk us through that and MSTS, the guidance there.
kind of was what we expected heading in, but after the 4Q suggests like a 1Q step down off the 4Q run rate on revenue, so maybe talk us through that. Thank you.
Yeah, Joe, I mean there's a few things to unpack there. Let me start and the team here will remind me what else you asked. So, you know, there is some seasonality in our business and if you look at it from a revenue perspective, you know, we'll have a step down in revenue.
between Q4 and Q1. We always do. The biggest step down is actually in water infrastructure that has a big Q4. MNCS there will be a little bit of a step down to it's not so much in the metrology business but some of the other businesses that we highlighted earlier on the caller.
pipe-on assessment services business, our test business, there's some seasonality there. So I think it's somewhere between a $150 and $200 million step down to Q4 to Q1 and that aligns with sort of our historical patterns.
As we think about the year and the seasonality in the year, different businesses look a little bit different. Certainly, you touched on AWS which is our most cyclical business when it comes to macro.
From an AWS perspective, we're entering the year with a very, very strong backlog. And so as we've modeled that business, we have modeled a stronger first half versus a stronger second half. The other businesses don't have quite as much seasonality built into the plan other than in MNCS we have been calling for a bigger...
that backlog in AWS carries it to the first half of the year, but we are forecasting softness in the second half. So obviously that remains to be seen. Hopefully things recover faster and we kind of glide through this and don't get impact by that. But right now we're embedding in our guide that there is softness that hits us in terms of conversion in the second half.
Historically, water infrastructure has a bigger Q4 and slows down in Q1 because we're serving the wastewater side of utilities and they spend out their capital and optics budgets through the end of the fourth quarter and then they ramp up again in the following year. So just to give some context for those of you that may be new to the story.
Water infrastructure has a bigger Q4 and slows down in Q1 because we're serving the wastewater side of utilities and they spend out their capital and optics budgets through the end of the fourth quarter and then they ramp up again in the following year. So just to give some context for those of you that may be new to the story. Thanks guys, I'll pass it along.
Thanks, Chef. And we'll take our next question from Mike Hallerant with Baird.
Good morning everyone. Good morning Mike. Good night.
So just following up on that last little bit there, Patrick, you gave some context on the applied backlog. Seems like you're expecting normalization as you work through the year there. It makes sense. I mean, it's a short cycle business. Maybe some thoughts on how you're thinking about the backlog tracking.
for the other two segments and if you think that there's a chance for normalization, either of those as we move towards the end of the year towards a more consistent balance between how you think about orders and backlog and revenue conversion.
Yeah, like I think you know we are already starting to see some normalization. If you look at the orders rate that we've had in the second half of the year, as particularly as the pockets where the supply chain has stabilized, we're seeing some of our customers there return to normal behaviors. You know, I would say...
Water infrastructure is a great example of that. We've had a more stable supply chain there. And so that's where you know, we've seen more normal order patterns and we don't see a backlog that has been as as elevated. You know, we still have quite a bit of our backlog that's past due in M&CS.
And, you know, we do expect to start eating into some of that in 2023. And I think, you know, that's a good thing because that means our projects are getting deployed.
Yeah, I was just going to build on the MNCS comment. We still have 30% of the backlog past due coming into the year, and so we'll still continue to monitor that as the chip supply continues sequentially to improve. That's something we're looking at. Orders sequentially are good in that business, and we see good momentum going forward.
Do you think that the sequentials will work out through the year on the order side? What are the expectations there? Maybe in any comments on how you're looking at the bidding pipeline as we sit here today in the area that's relevant?
Yeah, from a bidding pipeline standpoint, I would say, look, industrial remains really strong globally. We primarily play in the general industry there, and that's been pretty resilient, so that continues strong. Commercial is a bit of, you know, it's showing strength, however, expected to be slow in the back half primarily due to
new construction moderating. We tracked the ABI index, the architectural billing index. That's been less than 50 the past three months. And so looking for a little bit of a slow down in the bid activity for new construction for commercial. And we talked RESI, that's primarily replacement for us. The orders are slowing down. Largely due to the improved supply chain, it's probably the biggest area that we've seen.
the supply chain improved, and also from pandemic investments. And so that's really what's impacted that. And then, you know, a strong pipeline in MNCS plus water infrastructure, especially treatment, we're starting to see treatment really ramp up and then that backlog also continues to build and we have a strong funnel.
Thank you, really appreciate it.
appreciate it.
And we'll take our next question from Nathan Jones with Steve Hall. Good morning everyone.
questions from Nathan Jones with Steve Hull. Good morning, everyone. Morning, Nate.
I think I'm going to go to questions and see if I can get any answers around revenue synergies from the combination of Xylem and Evocua. I mean this is clearly a growth enabling deal and Patrick you highlighted a couple of avenues for that. Investors have been freaking out at bonuses at the point where investors have done a really successful job.
Very hungry for information on what kind of value that might add. So is there any color on kind of what your targets are going to be in terms of the Excel growth for the combined businesses, how you're going to approach it, how you can have specific growth teams assigned to these kinds of projects, any color, more color you can give us around those kinds of things.
Sure, sure. Yeah, so as you've said, Nate, I mean, so first of all, I mean, the economic returns of this combination are justified on the cost-centred alone. And I don't want to look past those because I want to make sure that our investors understand that we've got strong conviction.
around $140 million of cost energies within three years. You know, going forward, we will lay out exactly what the, not only the three buckets are that we've talked about, and I can reiterate those if we need to, but specific delivery timeframes, ownership, et cetera, so strong conviction around that cost energy.
Then, beyond that, clearly this combination is about growth. It really is taking a long-term view, not on the realization of synergies, but a long-term view on what the world needs right now in terms of a water company at scale and depth.
And there are so many things that we can do together that we could not do as separate companies. Now on the revenue synergies, I'm not going to give you a specific number as of yet. We clearly will do that and I can talk a little bit about process. But clearly we expect that there's going to be an accelerated growth rate of the compliant company.
after each one of the several areas of gross energy. Obviously, we have a view on that before we got the deal approved by both boards. But we're looking to see where there might even be other opportunities beyond that as we go forward. I laid out in my prepared remarks what some of those areas are. A few others that we
I did not highlight in my comments where around the combination of digital enablement in both companies of Vokua is already doing a fair amount in digital enablement of their services, really focused on productivity and growth. And we continue to progress quite nicely in our digital.
enablement of more on the product side and the aftermarket service side. Last area is, you know, we believe between 1 on 9 and the team that there is tremendous opportunity in the area of joint R&D, innovation and portfolio enhancement, whether that be organic or inorganic.
given the complementary nature of the businesses. So that's what I can share with you right now, Nate. Obviously we're as excited as you all are at being in a position to come out and share numbers around this, but right now we're focusing on getting the deal closed.
I have one follow-up question on a specific avenue of revenue synergies. Xylem's historically been a product company and Evoquia has developed this service-based model. Do you see the opportunity for you to...
implement new kinds of service-based business models on the legacy Zile and Portfolio, and Bridging Day Service with Print.
Yes, we certainly do. I mean it will take some time. That will not be a day one synergy and likely not even a year one synergy, but absolutely we see bringing some elements of their best in breed service offerings and quite frankly just their, the whole cultural model.
around services we believe is going to be an enhancement to our more legacy traditional product-oriented aftermarket services that are out there, too. You know, they've already done terrific work, and I realize that Ron would say they're still on that journey, and I certainly appreciated that last week whenever I spent a few days with him at multiple sites.
is that they're very much focused on outcome-based solutions. And so I think there's an opportunity there to enhance our business models and offerings, whether that be both on the utility side but also on the industrial. As you know, Nate, there's a fair amount of complementary nature of pulling through.
They've got some terrific products within their APT business on the treatment side that complement what we do and vice versa. Our treatment portfolio enhancing what they can deliver in their industrial services offering.
Yeah, it seems to be a lot of avenues for growth there, so I'll look forward to hearing more about it over the next few months and few quarters. Take care.
to be a lot of avenues for growth there. So look forward to hearing more about it over the next few months and few quarters. Thank you. Thank you, Nate.
And we'll take our next question from Scott Davis with Melius Research.
Good morning everybody. Hey Scott. Good morning.
Just a couple of, one kind of point of clarification, then a real question. But are you still raising price here in, now that we're into 23 or the price increases, you're doing 22 pretty much enough to offset your inflation?
Yeah, we did, Scott, we did the last round of price increases back in November of 2022. So you know, really the price increase in essence would be for 23 kind of heading into this year. So obviously we're continuing to watch the marketplace and understand, you know, only the inflationary environment and how that continues on. It really has moderated some, but it's still, you know, up.
And also make sure we're monitoring our win-loss rate in the marketplace and making sure that we're appropriately priced accordingly in the market.
All right, helpful. And then, you know, I think about 2022, you know, so much of the year, not just you guys, but most companies were held hostage by the chip makers. And
How, where do you guys see yourselves going forward and kind of a redundancy?
yourself going forward and kind of a redundancy.
flexibility or whatever other words we want to use to kind of describe it just to make sure that this chip issue doesn't come back every time there's some sort of dislocation.
design is more protected in the future. Sure, Scott, this is Patrick. So, you know, I'd say, first of all, we by no means are out of the woods on this yet, even though we've seen sequential improvement. I would say that the health of the discussions that we have with both the CHEP suppliers themselves and our intermediaries all.
in this space. And so the main thing we did as Matthew alluded to earlier was we spent a lot of time and energy and quite frankly money this past year redesigning, you know, our offerings to get to the next generation so we could be best in line. I do think that as other sectors perhaps show slowness.
that will simply further strengthen the recovery for us, but we're not counting on that right now or baking that into our outlet for the year.
That's helpful, Patrick. Just to be clear, so when you talk about redesigning, are you talking about going to a chip design that's more ubiquitous and more commonly used into consumer electronics or is there some sort of level in between where you're at and that next-gen chip?
It's just really getting to next gen chips where the capacities being allocated are being built. So we have more capacity for the future. We're on legacy designs that they're bringing down the capacity on those chips.
Yeah, that's why I asked. Okay, super helpful. Thanks and congrats and good luck this year guys.
Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
And we'll take our next question from Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup.
the panel partners. The teams we meet monthly and actually quarterly with council meetings in addition to weekly sales calls in contact, so we have really good insight into the inventory. The levels are healthy and normalizing, and they're not sitting on any excess inventory. Is reported back to us.
There are some pockets that have not fully recovered. Commercial is not back to kind of brief pandemic levels in terms of inventory. But Rezzi, I would say, is normalized due to the improved supply chain and solving from the pandemic investments. On the industrial front, it's really more of an engineer to order product. There's not a lot of.
build to stock and so that's where I'd leave it on the channel inventory there. Hey Andy, let me take the China part of your question. So, you know, China was tough for us this year. We were down in China about 20% in the first half of the year. We saw moderation in the second half.
And as we, you know, a little bit stronger Q3 than Q4, given the outbreak of COVID in Q4. And I think we've taken a measured approach to China in our guide for 2023. We do expect more of a recovery in the second half of the year in China.
The slowdown has been more acute, more on the utility side of the business, and we've seen stronger performance on the industrial side. And so our focus for our team is building orders momentum again. And you know, we remain very bullish long term on China.
We're just working through some of the dynamics there now. Appreciate that, Sandy. And then it seems like industrial dewater and continues to hold up well as you know it does tend to be more historically cyclical but could the business be much less cyclical during the current cycle given the amount of activity that's out there. I know you mentioned mining. Maybe you could comment on the support you're doing.
We're also just making investments in our fleet and upgrading our technology. We are digitizing those assets and making those remotely connectable so we can improve the productivity for our customers. So it's a mixed bag of really, I'd say, some innovation as well as being thoughtful about being more balanced in the segmentation of the business.
Appreciate all the color. It appears that we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the program back over to Patrick Decker for any additional or closing remarks.
Thank you. So again, thanks everybody for your time today. I know you're all very, very busy this time of the year. Really appreciate your ongoing continued interest in ZYLAM. Very much look forward to providing you updates on our progress around the Evoqua transaction and between now and then safe travels everyone and all the very best.
Thank you. This concludes today's Zilen fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. Please disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day.
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and our guide that there is softness that hits us in terms of conversion in the second half. Historically, water infrastructure has a bigger Q4 and slows down in Q1 because we're serving the wastewater side of utilities and they spend out their capital and opex budgets through the end of the fourth quarter and then they ramp up again in the following year. So just to give some context for those of you that may be new to the story. Thanks guys, I'll pass it along. Thanks Jo. And we'll take our next question from Mike Halloran with Baird. Hey, good morning everyone. Good morning Mike. So just following up on that last little bit there, Patrick you gave some context on the applied backlog, seems like you're expecting normalization as you work through the year there. It makes sense, I mean it's a short cycle business. Maybe some thoughts on how you're thinking about the backlog tracking for the other two segments and if you think that there's a chance for normalization, either of those as we move towards the end of the year.