Q4 2022 Assurant Inc Earnings Call

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Assurance 4th Quarter and full year 2022 conference call and webcast. At this time all participants have been placed in a listen only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following management's prepared remarks. If you would like to ask a question at that time please press star one on your touch tone phone.

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Speaker 6: fourth quarter and full year 2022 results with you today. Joining me for Assurance Conference call are Keith Demings, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Richard Jajo, our Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 7: Yesterday, after the market closed, we issued a news release announcing our results for the fourth quarter in full year of 2022.

Speaker 8: The release and corresponding financial supplements are available on Assurance.com.

Speaker 9: We'll start today's call with remarks from Keith and Richard before moving into a Q&A session.

Speaker 10: Some of the statements made today are so-or-looking.

Speaker 11: Forward-looking statements are based upon our historical performance, in current expectations, and subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by these statements.

Speaker 12: Additional information regarding these factors can be found in yesterday's earnings release and financial supplement as well as in our SEC report.

Speaker 13: During today's call, we will refer to non-gaipsonential measures, which we believe are important in evaluating the company's performance.

Speaker 14: For more details on these measures, the most comparable GAAP measures , and a reconciliation of the two, please refer to yesterday's News Release and Financial Supplement.

Speaker 15: Effective January 1, 2023, we realign the composition of our segments to better manage our risk and fee-based capitalized businesses.

Speaker 16: Global housing is now comprised of two primary lines of business, homeowners and renters another

Speaker 17: Certain product lines, including our lease and finance business previously reported in housing, have been moved to global lifestyle to better align with our go-to-market strategy.

Speaker 18: While this change has no impact on our consolidated results, it will modestly impact earnings trends within the segment.

Speaker 19: Our 2023 outlook is based on this realigned view.

Speaker 20: Please refer to the Financial Supplement for reconciliation of certain key data for these changes.

Speaker 21: I will now turn the call over to Keith.

Speaker 22: Thanks, Suzanne, and good morning, everyone.

Speaker 23: Reflecting on my first year as CEO , I couldn't be prouder of the extraordinary dedication and commitment demonstrated by our employees in delivering for our clients and customers around the world.

Speaker 24: During the year, we made progress in executing our vision to be the leading global business services provider supporting the advancement of the connected world.

Speaker 25: We continue to grow and strengthen our partnerships with key clients and deliver new innovative solutions.

Speaker 26: all while navigating more volatile market conditions.

Speaker 27: Our portfolio of lifestyle and housing businesses prove resilient but not immune to macroeconomic headwinds.

Speaker 28: In 2022, we grew adjusted earnings per share by 11%.

Speaker 29: and delivered over $1.1 billion of adjusted EBITDA, both excluding reportable catastrophes.

Speaker 30: Adjusting for $27 million of unfavorable foreign exchange.

Speaker 31: Adjusted EBITDA growth was 3%.

Speaker 32: and 2022 represented our sixth consecutive year of profitable growth.

This is a reflection of our compelling strategy and resilient culture.

We've held true to our company's purpose of helping people thrive, with a steadfast commitment to being a socially responsible company for all of our stakeholders. I'm proud that we've been recognized as a great place to work in 13 countries.

and most recently in the US for the second consecutive year.

Our focus remains on engaging and developing our diverse talent pool through enhanced leadership and skills development programs.

We also continue to reduce our environmental impact as a core pillar of our ESG strategy.

Building on our progress to date, we announced in December our goal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 40% by 2030.

This target aligns with the Paris agreement and ensures we drive meaningful reductions.

We've also taken a number of actions within our businesses to strengthen assurance for the future.

In global housing, we initiated a business transformation, including exiting certain non-core businesses such as our sharing economy, as well as international cat exposed business, where we did not see a path to leadership positions.

More broadly across Assurance, we realign our organizational structure, as Suzanne referenced, to drive more focus and better deploy talent.

We also took decisive action by accelerating several expense initiatives to realize additional efficiencies and position us for continued long-term growth.

As we announce in December , we expect to realize $55 million of annualized gross savings by the end of 2024.

Through the simplification of our organizational structure and our real estate consolidation program, given our increasingly hybrid workforce.

These actions will help mitigate the impact of higher labor costs and headwinds from the macroeconomic environment as well as fund additional investments including increased automation.

In addition to ensuring a more streamlined organizational and cost structure, we've gained momentum throughout the year in both global lifestyle and global housing, renewing and winning new clients in each of our major lines of business.

In global lifestyle, adjusted EBITDA increased 7% in 2022, with growth from both connected living and global automotive.

On a constant currency basis, adjusted EBITDA expanded by 11%, aligned with our original expectations for the year.

In connected living, we grew adjusted EBITDA by 15% on a constant currency basis driven by mobile protection program growth in North America.

Our ability to continuously innovate our products and services has supported a stronger and more differentiated customer experience, resulting in increased net promoter scores.

In addition to key partner renewals, including T-Mobile and Exfinity, we secured new business opportunities and new client partnerships continuing to diversify our broad client base.

In our mobile protection business, we now protect nearly 62 million global devices.

driven by the 25 new protection programs we've added since 2015.

We serviced over 28 million devices in 2022, mainly from our mobile trade in business, as we add scale and further demonstrate our position as a market leader with this important value added service to our clients.

We added several new trading clients and now have over 40 trade-in programs globally.

We continue to invest in talent and strengthen supply chain operations to maintain our competitive advantage.

In global automotive, we grew global protected autos in 2022 by 2% to 54.1 million vehicles.

helping to generate adjusted EBITDA growth of 5%.

Recently, we expanded and enhanced our EV-1 protection offering in the US.

And coverage is now available for battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles, including comprehensive battery coverage.

In our newly combined lease and finance business, we partnered with C&H Industrial in the U.S. and Canada to provide service contracts and physical damage insurance.

C&H is the third largest agriculture and construction equipment company in the world.

This partnership was made possible by the talent and expertise of our teams, including through the acquisition of EPG.

In global housing, we took swift action to mitigate the impact of high inflation within our lender-placed business.

We began to see improved performance as we exited the year, reflecting the rate increases implemented over the course of the year.

We expect higher rates to roll through our book into 2023 and beyond while we manage ongoing elevated claims costs.

In 2022, we renewed eight lender-placed clients, including several of our most significant partnerships with multi-year agreements.

These renewals represent 36% of our over 31 million loans tracked.

In multifamily housing, we now have over 2.6 million renters policies.

While we've seen slower growth from our affinity partnerships, our volume with property management companies continues to expand.

as we sign several new partnerships, including two top PMCs with over 100,000 combined units.

We also successfully completed multi-year renewals with six key client relationships.

As we continue to convert clients to our Cover360 platform, we expect to see ongoing policy growth in that channel.

Throughout the year, we've maintained a strong balance sheet as we navigated increased macroeconomic uncertainty.

Our businesses contributed a total of $550 million in dividends to the holding company, or roughly 52% of segment earnings, including catastrophe losses.

Together with the remaining net proceeds from the global pre-need sale, we returned a total of $718 million in share of purchases and common stock dividends.

Looking ahead.

We believe we have a compelling vision and strategy that will drive out performance and shareholder value long term.

As a business services leader, we will continue to pursue profitable growth in more fee-based capital-like businesses, which continue to account for the majority of our earnings.

In addition, we'll continue to optimize results and cash flow generation in our risk-based business.

In 2023, we believe we can drive continued profitable growth, though at a more modest pace given strong 22 results in lifestyle and our near-term view of the broader economy.

Specifically, we expect adjusted EBITDA excluding cats to increase low single digits.

with results improving as the year progresses.

reflecting trends in the business and the broader market, as well as the restructuring actions taken in 2022.

Earnings growth is expected to be driven by improved performance in global housing.

as well as more modest growth in global lifestyle.

Adjusted earnings per share growth is expected to trail adjusted EBITDA growth, primarily reflecting a higher annual depreciation expense related to several strategic technology investments critical to executing our strategy.

A higher consolidated effective tax rate compared to a favorable 2022.

and timing of capital deployment.

We've had a long-standing track record of strong cash load generation and discipline capital deployment, and we continue to believe that a balanced capital deployment strategy drives long-term value.

Our capital management priorities for this year will be focused on supporting the organic growth of our business and maintaining our investment grade ratings.

We expect share repurchases will remain a core component of our capital deployment strategy given the attractiveness of our stock.

But in light of the continued uncertain macro environment, we believe it is prudent to preserve flexibility over the near term.

Therefore, based on current market conditions and expected business performance, we anticipate that any share of purchases would occur in the second half of the year and could be below 2022 underlying buyback activity.

As the broader environment begins to stabilize and visibility improves, we will reevaluate levels and timing of capital deployment as part of our overall capital deployment strategy.

Our M&A strategy will continue to focus on compelling deals in global lifestyle.

However, the hurdle rate for M&A will be high, given the attractiveness of our stock.

As we enter 2023, we remain well positioned for long-term growth through our differentiated lifestyle and housing portfolio.

We are focused on creating new sources of growth, scaling new client wins and deepening current client relationships to continually drive added value for our key clients and customers.

I'll now turn the call over to Richard to review the fourth quarter results and our 2023 outlook in greater detail. Richard? Thank you.

Thank you, Keith, and good morning, everyone.

As Keith has outlined our full year 2022 performance, I will focus on fourth quarter trends, particularly as we outline our expectations for 2023.

Given some of the significant changes in foreign exchange rates during the year, I will be citing some growth rates in both absolute and constant currency terms.

For the fourth quarter of 2022, adjusted EBITDA, excluding catastrophes, total $296 million.

for $39 million or 15% year over year and 19% on a constant currency basis.

Our performance reflected improved results.

from both global housing and global lifestyle.

Adjusted earnings per share, excluding reportable catastrophes, total $3.56 for the quarter, up 24% year-over-year.

Now let's move to second results starting with global lifestyle.

The second reported adjusted ebit of $166 million in the fourth quarter.

A 6% increase year over year, but double that for 12% on a constant currency basis.

The increase was driven by higher connected living earnings, which grew 21%, or 31% on a constant currency basis.

Connected Living's strong growth was primarily from three factors.

First, reduce mobile service and repair expenses compared to the prior year period.

Second, continued modest mobile subscriber growth in North American device protection programs from carrier and cable operator clients.

and third, higher investment income.

As expected, strong U.S. results were partially upset by continued week performance in Europe and declines in Japan as programs mature.

In device trading, we serviced 7.5 million devices in the fourth quarter, our highest quarterly volume this year.

While volumes were strong, trading results declined as margins were pressured by device mix resulting from carrier promotions.

Claims cost and connected living overall remain steady, although we did see some pockets of higher costs from labor and materials within our extended service contract business.

In global automotive, earnings decreased $7 million, or 10%, primarily from weaker global performance and higher claims costs.

In the U.S., a higher portion of higher claims costs are expected to be recovered over time from client contract structures.

The earnings decrease was partially offset by domestic growth across distribution channels.

Turning to netter and premium fees and other income, lifestyle was up $20 million.

4% 1% and 3% on a constant currency basis.

This growth was primarily driven by global automotive, reflecting strong prior period sales of vehicle service contracts.

When adjusting for unfavorable foreign exchange, connected living's netter and premences these other income, increased slightly from growth in mobile subscribers in North America.

partially offset by premium declines in mobile from runoff programs.

Based on the new reporting structure for full year 2023, Lifestyle Adjustity is expected to grow modestly from our revised 2022 baseline of $809 million.

driven by both connected living and co-bore motive.

Over the course of the year, we expect Connected Living to benefit from modest subscriber growth in existing North American mobile programs as well as increases in US auto.

The gradual ramp up of our new mobile and connected home programs and expense savings from the previously announced restructuring plan should benefit results as we get into the second half of the year.

We do anticipate some continued headwinds to partially offset these growth drivers.

These will be more pronounced in the first half of the year.

Specifically, in 2022, we benefited from a number of favorable items that are not expected to recur. These included $24 million in investment income for real estate joint venture investments.

$11 million from a client contract benefit.

We also anticipate continued headwinds in our international business.

particularly in the first half of the year.

given lower volumes in Europe and modest subscriber declines as programs mature in Japan.

In addition, unfavourable foreign exchange which will impact both the top and bottom regions.

And finally, we anticipate continued higher claims costs, particularly in extended service contracts, as well as less favorable loss experience for select ancillary auto products.

In terms of net earned premiums, fees, and other income for 2023, Lifestyle is expected to grow modestly as growth in global automotive is offset by declines in connected living and ongoing foreign exchange headwinds.

Connected living will be impacted by the implementation of two new contract structures, which we have to make will lower top line in 2023 by $230 million.

It is important to note though that these two changes will have no impact to our bottom line.

Excluding these changes, we wouldn't anticipate growth in connected living that are in pre-mixed fees and other income.

Moving now to global housing, adjusted EBITDA was $135 million, which included $22 million and reportable catastrophes from winter storms and hurricane Nicole during the quarter.

The excluding catastrophe losses adjusted EBITDA was $157 million.

up to $31 million at 25%.

The increase was driven primarily by lender-placed insurance, partially offset by $15 million in higher non-cat loss experience across all major products, including multi-family housing.

lender-placed earnings significantly increased, accounting for most of the increase in housing's earnings from higher average insured values and premium rates as well as policy growth.

In addition, expense savings and higher investment income contributed to the increase. These items were partially offset by higher-cat insurance costs.

Based on the new reporting structure, for the full year 2023, we expect Global Housing Adjusted EBITDA, excluding CAAS, to grow from a revised 2022 baseline of $417 million.

Improved earnings performance is expected from two main drivers.

First, top line growth from rate recovery lender place.

and second, ongoing expense actions to be realized over the course of the year.

We expect ongoing elevated non-ketashary losses, including higher seasonal weather-related claims in the first half, an increased cat re-insurance cost to continue in 2023.

Graduate improvement in lender-based non-catashory losses is assumed later in the year. We also expect lower multi-family housing profitability from lower contributions from our affinity partners and higher non-cat losses as they return to more normalized levels.

In terms of our category insurance program, in January , we secured two-thirds of our 2023 program.

Similar to much of the industry, we've seen significant price increases, but the costs are relatively in line with our expectations.

We anticipate elevated pricing will continue in June , when we place the final third of the full program and have reflected this in our outlook.

Given the significant increase in reinsurance prices and in order to optimize risk and return, we expect our per event retention level to increase to $125 million.

This incorporates the growth in lender-placed exposure, primarily from inflation, partially offset by some declines in our international risk exposure.

Reflecting on these expected changes, we now believe the appropriate CAT load for 2023 is $140 million.

And finally, I'd also note that our outlook for housing assumes no meaningful deterioration in the broader U.S. housing market that would cause an increase in placement rates or a worsening of loss experience.

Moving the corporate, the fourth quarter adjusted Ebrilos was $27 million, up $2 million and was driven by lower investment income.

For the full year 2023, we expect the corporate adjusted EVA loss to be approximately $105 million.

Turning to holding company liquidity, we ended the year with $446 million. In the fourth quarter, dividends from our operating segments totaled $89 million.

In addition to our quarterly corporate interest expenses, we also add outflows from three main items.

$13 million of share repurchases, $38 million in common stock dividends, and $81 million related to the two strategic acquisitions previously announced that will strengthen our position in the commercial equipment space.

During 2022, Lifestyle and Housing contributed $550 million in dividends to the holding company.

This was below our expectations, given changes in investment portfolio values, reserve strengthening, and accounting changes for non-core operations.

In 2023, we expect our businesses to continue to generate meaningful cash flow.

Cash conversion should approximate 65% of segment-adjusted EBITDA, including reportable catastrophes. This accounts for the previously announced restructuring charges.

This also assumes a continuation of the current economic environment and is subject to the growth of the business.

investment portfolio performance, and regulatory and rating agency requirements.

In summary.

We continued our track record of profitable earnings growth and strong cash flow generation in 2022 Despite some challenging conditions

And although we do expect to face continued macroeconomic uncertainty in 2023, we firmly believe we're well positioned to serve our current and future clients and customers, and to continue to grow assurance.

And with that operator, please open the call for questions.

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It certainly seems to be a lot of conservatism in the outlook as it relates to the first half of the year. How different is your outlook differ for the first half versus the second half? And why does the second half give you confidence? Thank you.

Great. Maybe just a couple of comments on 22 and then I'll talk about how we think about 23. So certainly happy with how we finished the year. Obviously, a tremendous amount of change in the marketplace. Very dynamic. And the fact that we were able to grow not just EPS, but also grow.

There's a couple things to remember. We certainly had some favorability, particularly in lifestyle in 22 that doesn't repeat. Richard mentioned about 35 million between real estate gains as well as the one-time client benefits. We've got to grow our way through that into 23. We also expect continued foreign exchange pressure in our 23 outlook in lifestyle.

And then on top of that we do expect to grow even though we've got some pressure certainly in the international markets which we've talked about over the last couple of quarters.

And then in terms of the housing business, obviously a really strong fourth quarter were excited by the progress that our team has made, not just in terms of getting rate, adjusting average and shared values, but also the work done on expenses, simplifying the organization, expect continued momentum as we head into 23. Obviously, there's a natural...

reset between Q4 and Q1 in the housing business. We typically see higher losses in the first quarter due to winter storms and seasonality. We also had really favorable losses in multifamily housing in the first half of 2022.

That was a carryover from 21 as well. So we've got to overcome that as we think about the progression through the year. So again, expect each quarter to improve as we get through 23 and then accelerate growth into 24.

Thank you for that. And then my follow-up question, it looks like there was growth in global mobile devices protected, serviced.

and global protected vehicles.

Can you maybe talk about that? One, maybe the upgrade cycle, market positioning, and then that trade-in issue that was occurring in the third quarter that seems to have resulted itself. Thank you. Great. Yeah, so I think if I start with auto, you know, steady progress as we've seen over many quarters in terms of protected vehicles and that trend certainly has continued.

in the US market and that's offsetting some natural runoff that we have. So pretty strong growth in the US, great results in the US for connected living overall for the year. And that's driven just by market share gains from the clients that we partner with on the insurance side. So if you think about our device protection partners in the US, they're gaining...

roughly 70% of the net ads for postpaid customers. So that is helping us significantly in the US market. And then we've got a little bit of softness internationally in terms of subscribers. I'd say a little bit of growth in Europe offset by some declines in Latin America, and then a little bit of softness in Japan, which we've talked about the last couple of quarters.

And then finally on the trade end point, you know, we did see the issue resolve itself that we talked about in the third quarter, that did get resolved in the fourth quarter. We saw good volume growth flowing through. We saw some different margins in the business based on the mix of devices in certain client contract.

part of our fees are based on selling prices of devices. So sometimes you can have higher volume, but of potentially lower quality devices. And that can affect the ultimate margins in the business and move around from quarter to quarter. So it must be today or. Actually, that's close-up and mixing

Thank you very much for the answers.

Great, thanks John .

Your next question comes from a line of Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Morning, Mark. Hey. Good morning. Kind of along those lines, the 5G upgrade programs, I think you mentioned you're getting 70% of the net ads among your customers. But the interesting number is that you're getting 80% of the net ads.

What do they stand in terms of the marketing, the push to get those 5G upgrades? Is that helper, is that activity decelerating? How do you see it?

I think we saw a little bit of lower marketing activity in the fourth quarter. There were certainly some supply constraints in the market. So that affected some of the traded promotional offers that we would normally see. That can bounce around and be quite seasonal and also depending on the...

competitive nature of the market, but there's no doubt the push by carriers to move customers to 5G, to unlimited plans, to higher end devices continues. We'll see how that evolves in 2023. We obviously had a tremendous amount of trade and activity in 2022, a relatively high water mark.

expect to see continued strength around that as we go forward. But it ebbs and flows, I would say, depending on the dynamics and the competitive landscape.

And then the coastal property markets, I think there's some reference to maybe a lender place being helped in states like Florida just because the...

The standard policies are getting so expensive. Are you seeing a dynamic like that?

an opportunity for you? Do you think that'll help push out placement rates in Florida and other other coastal markets?

Yeah, if you look at the fourth quarter and we think about lender plays, we had about 12,000 incremental policies come into the book. So we are seeing growth in enforced policies. I'd say half of that growth is we brought on a new client, which is why you'll see loans tracked up fairly significantly.

And then the other half is entirely due to what I would say is the hard market. Florida is certainly a big chunk of that, as well as California and other areas. So I do think that is helping support policy growth. We saw pretty strong policy growth for the full year in lender place. And none of that is really from deterioration in the economy more broadly.

Great.

Your next question comes from the line of Tommy McJoint from KBW. Your line is open. Morning Tommy. Hey good morning guys. Hey morning. Thanks for taking my question. Yes, so first one, can you just go into a bit more detail on some of the drivers for pausing the buybacks? I guess I think of this business.

really holistically as less exposed to the, you know, some of the economic cyclicality. So it's a bit surprising to see that as the driver for pausing the capital distribution. So if you could just go into a little bit more details on that, that would be great.

Sure, and maybe I'll start and certainly Richard can chime in, but you know first and foremost I would say you know our capital management philosophy as an organization has not changed. You know at third quarter we signaled a disciplined approach that we wanted to exercise prudence. You know there's just a lot of market uncertainty today.

It's been a pretty dynamic macro backdrop. So we're trying to exercise caution and make the best decisions we can with our capital. We've talked about this in the prepared remarks and consistently over time. We're definitely supporting the organic growth of the company. We still see lots of our opportunity to grow organically.

We want to protect our ratings which are important to us and then we've signaled, you know, we do think share buybacks will be an important part of our capital deployment strategy going forward. We've talked about being balanced long term between capital deployment through share return and also M&A but based on where we sit today we think our shares are very attractive.

So I think about it as being prudent for the moment, getting better visibility, understanding how results are progressing, and then making those right decisions with all of that additional information as we head into the back half of the year. But Richard, what else might you add?

Yeah, thanks Keith. Hi Tommy. Yeah, I think exactly what Keith said in terms of being prudent and really wanting to see how the macroeconomic environment plays out. I'd also add that last year in terms of returns of capital to shareholders, it was a high point for us with a return of about $720 million dollars.

we would expect at some point to be back in, maybe late in the second half, but we'll see how things go. We want to be prudent.

Thanks. And then just my other question, going back a little bit to the connected living side, you talked about being some of your partners, the team of the sprint, some of those charter spectrum. You talked a little bit about the opportunity around Verizon and AT&T, and just kind of remind us what services you are providing for them.

high-level acquisition and there's certainly long-term opportunity. We talk about our business being built on deep client relationships with the world's leading brands. Those are certainly two examples of really, really important clients and brands that we can partner with. No doubt there's opportunity over time to help them solve problems, innovate.

and create value for their customers. And we certainly work hard every day to serve them today and then look for opportunities to grow with them in the future.

Okay. Thank you.

You bet.

Your next question comes from a line of Brian Meredith from UBS. Your line is open.

Good morning everybody.

A couple of them here before you. First, I'm just curious, Richard, maybe, NII Outlook here going forward in the global housing business. You know, there's still potential upside given where new money rates are. And that you're not proving you don't, your upwards orcho your funds. But the next slide gives you a Volcanic Trek Chord. And that you're not proving you don't, your upwards orcho your funds.

Yeah, thanks for the question, Brian . Yeah, I think in terms of new money rates fixed income, we do see overall yields continuing to move up in the future as the portfolio rolls over and the lower yields that we've had in the past convert themselves into the new higher yields.

we will see that as we go forward over the next couple years. So a nice tailwind for us. We've obviously seen short-term rates come up too. That's a nice tailwind for us. I would say that relative if I think about 23 versus 2022, as Keith mentioned earlier and...

in our prepared remarks, we did have some good real estate gains during the course of the year. So I kind of look at it for 2023 that the increase in investment income will be a bit modest just given those two factors, increase in yields being offset by the real estate gains.

That makes sense, thanks. And then I guess my second question, you talked a little bit about international markets and some pressure we're going to see in the first half of the year. I'm just curious what your thoughts are and built in your expectations of guidance for the domestic consumer here in the U.S.

What do things look like potentially if we do go into a recession second half of the year? Yeah, so our US business has performed incredibly well if we think about where we're at in 2022. And we expect to continue to see growth going forward in 23. We obviously have...

To offset the one-time client benefit we talked about in Q3, but we do feel like domestically we're well positioned. If you think about the business and I'll talk about mobile and then maybe auto quickly, on the mobile side, bulk of our economics are driven by the enforced subscribers that we've protected. And as you saw that actually increased in the fourth quarter.

Consumers continue to want to protect their devices, and that's an enforce monthly subscription. So we don't see a lot of movement quarter to quarter and month to month. So we do feel like we're quite well protected there. To the extent there's less trade-in activity, if consumers are less incentive to buy new devices because the economy's a little more pressured.

we might see a little bit of softness in terms of that side of the business. It's not the biggest driver of total profitability, but it's still obviously an important factor. And then if you think about the auto business more broadly, we do expect retail sales of cars to be relatively steady in 23 verses.

22, a little more growth on new offset by softness on the use side, but you know probably 80% of the economics in 23 are from policies that have already been written that'll earn through the book. So from that perspective, we're relatively well positioned and we've done well through...

typical downturns in the economy in our product lines because it just puts more focus on the sale of these

Next, says thank you. Great, thanks.

Makes sense. Thank you. Great. Thanks. Your next question.

Come from line up Grace Carter from Bank of America. Your line is open.

from line of grace Carter from Bank of America. Your line is open. Morning, Grace. Morning, Grace.

I've seen some forecasts out there for potential lower smartphone shipments to the US next year. And I was just wondering how the domestic connected living business might be affected if that were to happen and just be extent to which that might be reflected in your outlook for next year. Yeah, certainly, and I've seen the same reports and...

because our clients are actually adding subscribers. So we're seeing that you know through the fourth quarter as well. So from a device protection point of view we think we're well positioned there and we have seen meaningful growth in the last quarter as a result of that. So I do feel like we'll see strength in domestic connected living and obviously that will drive

to offset some of the other factors that we talked about in 2022. So we had some help in 2022 from the items we discussed. We've got to overcome foreign exchange and domestically we expect our business to perform well to allow us to generate that growth in 23. Thank you and on the housing side.

book this year? Yeah I think so certainly the housing the reforms in Florida you know should be helpful to the industry over time without question and obviously looking to try to stabilize the insurance environment and really for the benefit of the the end consumer try to control pricing over time so I think over time that will benefit

And LenderPlace is a scale business. We're tracking the loans already. So if we pick up some additional policies, we're not adding a tremendous amount of incremental expense. We've done an incredibly good job in housing in 22, actually driving down operational expenses year over year, even though we've seen policy growth, which demonstrates.

focus on digital investments but also the scale advantages of the business. So I think growth in Florida is a good thing for our business and we're well positioned to take advantage of it over time.

Thank you. And we have been getting rate, Grace, as well. So, as Keith said, we have been getting a little bit more, but it's, you know, from our point of view, it's good business and the reforms, as you pointed out, should help over time. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Grace.

Once again, if you do have a question, you may press star one on your touch tone phone at this time.

And we have a follow-up question from the line of Mark Hughes from Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Hey Mark. Thank you. Yeah the 15 million talked about an hired non-CAT loss is on the properly side. You really haven't mentioned inflation but I wonder if those any thoughts you've got to, how much of that maybe weather if you have already seen that or anticipated.

versus just materials, labor costs, things like that. And whether you are kind of over the hump on that, or is there been any material inflection? Just how do you see it now?

Yeah, maybe I'll just start a high level, Richard, and then you could add some color. But I definitely think we're, you know, from an inflationary perspective, we're still seeing elevated claims costs. There's no question. I think, you know, where we are seeing the favorability overall is really the rate.

rolling through from both rate increases and average insured values, and that is obviously offsetting some of that inflationary pressure. But we definitely see inflation still, that will persist, and construction inflation is different, yet again, from other measures of inflation. But what would you add, Richard? Similar to what Keith said, I guess I would say that

I would say most of it is in severity. I think severity these days, we think inflation. Actually, frequencies have been coming down just in terms of weather, whatever. We haven't been seeing an increase in smaller weather related items.

So more in severity and as Keith said we have been getting some price increases with that. We do the rate filings on an interim basis. So we think we're in a good position. We also think as we go forward this year we're being prudent and I guess appropriately prudent.

with regard to our expectations of inflation. Obviously that's a big headline out in the markets. You know, we do see inflation, you know, staying a little bit resistently high for the near term, but really coming down slowly as the year goes on. So we've kind of factored that, you know, into our analysis and...

should be in a good place there, not trying to go, you know, be too aggressive about bringing inflation down. Yeah, and the one, just the one other point to make, and I referenced it earlier, we, you know, we did see favorability, set aside lender place for a second, we did see favorability of loss ratios in some of our other lines, renters, and some specialty products, particularly in the first half of 22.

We've seen that normalize over the balance of 22. To what are more natural levels, I think we were really at kind of pandemic level lows with respect to some of the losses that we were seeing. So that also will normalize. That puts a little pressure on the first half of the year for housing and then obviously lender placed.

where we're getting a lot of rate, tries to help overcome that over the course of the year. We appreciate it. Thank you. Great. Thank you.

And there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn it over to Keith Demmings for some final closing comments.

Wonderful, well thanks everybody for participating in today's call and obviously we'll look forward to speaking to you all again at the end of the first quarter on our call in May. In the meantime reach out to Suzanne Shepherd or Shawn Moser if you have any other follow-up questions but again thanks for the time have a great day.

Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. Please disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.