Q4 2022 Colliers International Group Inc Earnings Call

February 9, 2023

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Speaker 6: As always, this call is being webcasts and is available in the Investor Relations section of our website. A presentation slide back is also available there to accompany today's call.

Speaker 7: During the fourth quarter, investment management and outsourcing and advisory delivered strong revenue growth, while leasing match the record results from the prior year period.

Speaker 8: As expected, interest rate volatility and challenging debt markets impacted capital markets in our seasonally strongest quarter.

Speaker 9: We expect this to continue through the first half of 2023.

Speaker 10: However, transactions are still being completed and there's significant pent-up demand for real estate assets, which should translate into additional volumes in future quarters, especially as conditions stabilize.

Speaker 11: Aside from capital markets, momentum from the balance of our business is better than expected as you'll hear from Christian.

Speaker 12: Strong, full year performance was driven by high value recurring service lines, which continues to validate our strategy of transforming callers into a different kind of diversified services company.

Speaker 13: With our globally balanced and highly diversified business, significant recurring revenues, and proven track record of capitalizing on opportunities, Collier's is stronger and more resilient than ever.

Speaker 14: Earnings from high value recurring revenues now make up about 58% of our pro forma eva da and this is growing.

Speaker 15: Last year we completed a record $1 billion in acquisitions across our global enterprise.

Speaker 16: These acquisitions not only strengthen our core, but they also create additional opportunities to drive shareholder value.

Speaker 17: An investment management, a segment established only six years ago. We finished the year with total assets under management of $98 billion.

Speaker 18: placing calliers amongst the top global players in the alternative private capital industry.

Speaker 19: One of the most important attributes of this business is that 85% of our assets are in perpetual or long-dated funds. Ten years or more.

Speaker 20: These revenues are very stable and have grown historically year over year and we expect this to continue in the future.

Speaker 21: As you might remember, in 2020, we announced our Enterprise 25 Growth Strategy.

Speaker 22: The goal was to double our profitability and generate more than 65% of our earnings from high value recurring revenues over the following five years.

Speaker 23: Last year was the second year of our plan and so far we're well ahead of our targets.

Speaker 24: If we're able to achieve this, as we've done in the past, it will be excellent news for shareholders.

Speaker 25: Paul Ears has a highly respected global brand and growth platform.

Speaker 26: We have a well-balanced and highly diversified business.

Speaker 27: with the unique, enterprising culture and leadership team who have a significant equity stake in our company.

Speaker 28: The combination of these characteristics truly sets call years apart from the rest.

Speaker 29: But perhaps most importantly, we have a 28-year track record of delivering 20% annual growth in share value to shareholders.

Speaker 30: A track record we are very proud of.

Speaker 31: Now let me turn things over to Christian.

Speaker 32: Question

Thank you, Jay, and good morning. My comments will follow the flow of the slides posted on the Investurrelations section at calliers.com accompanying this call.

Please note that the non-gab measures referenced on the call are defined in today's press release.

All references to revenue growth are expressed in local currency.

Our fourth quarter revenues were 1.2 billion relative to 1.3 billion in the prior year period.

Revenue is rough strongly in our recurring outsourcing and advisory and investment management service lines.

Our leasing operations were up 3%, benefiting from continuing activity in office and industrial leasing.

Capital markets, as Jay mentioned, declined across all regions, reflecting the impact of higher interest rates, reduced availability of capital, and yield political uncertainty.

On an overall basis, internal revenues declined 11% entirely on lower capital markets activity.

Adjust EDD for Q4 was 203 million, up 6% from one year ago, with margins at 16.6%, up 230 basis points relative to the prior year quarter.

The margin improvement primarily reflects service-mix shift toward our high-margin investment management operations.

America's fourth quarter revenues were 679 million down 16% relative to the prior period.

Outsthrusing advisory was up 9% driven by engineering and design, including recent acquisitions.

Leasing activity matched the record results from the prior year quarter.

Capital markets, including debt origination, with down 51% relative to record volumes in the prior years seasonally strongest, fourth quarter.

Adjust the EBITDA with 83 million, down 12% from last year.

The margin in the Americas was 12.2% of 60 basis points, reflecting lower average commission levels, lower performance-based incentive compensation, as well as careful control of discretionary costs during the quarter.

Q4 and MIA revenues were 228 million, half 8% from one year ago.

Project management activities up across the region as releasing transactions.

Adjusted even with 36M versus 42M last year with a margin primarily impacted by service mix with a higher proportion of project management revenues at modest margins.

Asia Pacific revenues were 194 million down 3%. Capital markets revenues were impacted by industry volatility and continued COVID restrictions in Asia.

while leasing improved in both industrial and office asset classes.

Adjustity with DAW is $34 million relative to $38 million in the prior year order.

Fourth quarter, investment management revenues were $121 million of 53%.

excluding pass-through carried interest revenues were at 87% driven by acquisitions and management of steep growth from increased assets under management.

Adjusted EBITDAQ for the quarter was 53 million up 88%.

to the relative border.

For reference.

Our reported adjusted EBITDA is equivalent to fee related earnings, or FRE, that many pure play IM firms report since our IM earnings are generated from recurring management fees.

Fund raising across our platform for the full year 2022 totaled $8 billion.

This was a relatively strong result when compared to the general slowdown in capital capital allocation. By investors across most real estate asset classes.

We have a strong fundraising pipeline, which we hope will drive internal growth. Of 1015% in 2023.

As of December 31st, we had 98 billion of AUM.

Our fee paying AUM is now $53 billion.

As I noted last quarter, the private and defensive nature of the real estate and real assets in our portfolio brings stability to our AUM.

Our financial leverage ratio at the December 31st defined as net debt to perform on adjusted as an even though was 1.8 and

We expect our leverage to be 1.8 to 2 times for the first half of 23.

declining to the 1.5 times range in the second half.

As previously noted, the target leverage range is between 1.2 times, and we are comfortable exceeding this range temporarily if a compelling acquisition opportunity becomes available.

We have provided an initial level of look regarding our financial performance expectations for 2023.

Our outlook includes all acquisitions completed today and incorporates our best information for each service line and geography.

There are three broad themes to our outlook.

1, recurring investment management revenues are expected to grow significantly from continued capital raising for several products we have in the market right now.

As well as the annualization of recent acquisitions.

2. Recurring, outsourcing and advisory operations are expected to continue to grow organically.

As well as from the annualization of recent acquisitions.

And three, we expect capital markets activity to be down 20 to 40% during the first half of 23, relative to strong prior year comparatives.

with a return to your rear growth in the second half.

We expect to maintain disciplined cost control through this period with tight management of discretionary expenses.

And by gearing our support and administrative staffing levels to match expected revenues.

This level of consent to riskment certain needs is outlined on the accompanying slides.

That concludes my prepared remarks.

I would now like to open the call for questions. Operator, can you please open the line?

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again.

Our first question comes from Michael Dumer with Scotia Capital, you may proceed.

Hey, Gwaring Jane, Christian. My first question, I wanted to dig into the 2023 EBITDAQ guidance just a little bit. My math tells me, you know, assuming 100 million of incrementally EBITDAQ from the deal that you have closed at the midpoint of the 23 EBITDAQ guidance. So I would appreciate your questions.

essentially implies flat organic EBITDA. So first, is that thinking correct? And then second just broadly is the idea that you know leasing ONA and IM effectively offset capital markets.

Great question, Michael. First off, the EBITDA from the Anodation of Act conditions is more like 75 million, not 100 million.

So you need to dial that into your organic growth assumptions, which will take those assumptions a bit higher.

That's my key observation to your comment. As it relates to capital markets, I mean, of course, I vote line that we expect to be down significantly in the first half, which will translate to being down in that particular service line.

by 10 to 20% on a full-year basis. The other parts of the business I would throw us in advisory and investment management have significant organic growth baked in to each of those areas as we continue to grow organically and generate new business in those segments.

Thanks, Christian. That's a great outlook. And then maybe just flipping to the Americas here. So we saw margin expansion there despite the contraction and revenue. You highlighted lower commissions and sent us comp and discretionary spend. Just wondering, you know, how we should think about the sustainability of the margin expansion there through the first half of 23 given.

you know, the anticipated declines in capital market. Well, look, when you have significant declines in revenues, you're going to have, you know, some margin compression. We're doing our best to manage costs. We have

You know, highly skilled operators in the field that have done this before, three years ago, we lived through the pandemic and we took a very disciplined approach to cost management and we're doing the same in this situation. So, we're running the best we can to maintain those margins, but there will be some.

Margin compression, of course, as revenues decline at those levels, we talked about it in the first half. Perfect, that makes sense. Those are my two guys. Thank you. Thank you.

Alright, this question goes from Stephen Sheldon with William Blair in company, you may proceed.

Okay, thanks. And just to start off with, just want to commend you on continuing to give guidance for the year, which is, you know, is pretty rare in this industry. The first question on capital market.

You kind of mentioned this in your calendar, but you just want to dig in. I guess, are you seeing any signs of deal getting pulled or canceled altogether or does this truly seem like a timing delay where transactions are taking longer and where there could be a wall of hints up activity they could unlock in the second half of this year.

in to 2024. Well, I think it's definitely transactions have been canceled and for all the reasons you'd expect interest rates availability of capital, you know, near-term expectation that a building was worth $X dollars.

real estate assets that want to trade but they still need a period of time to stabilize and stabilize both on the on both sides you know I think higher higher quality assets will trade sooner than lesser quality assets but

There is a lot of discovery happening. It's not just price discovery. It's it's clients looking at portfolios or ways to acquire 2 or 3 assets from a seller who might be under a little bit of financial pressure.

I would say our capital markets people are busier today than they've ever been before. And it's in an environment where they know the likelihood of near-term completing transactions is not as as rapid as it was, let's say a year ago.

Got it. That's helpful. And then just as a follow up for investment management, great trends in fundraising, AUM,

So I guess just at a high level, what do you attribute that success to? And is that AUM grow? You have a lot of different assets and businesses there now. I guess that AUM growth pretty broad based across the different businesses you have in there, just any more detail on that.

Yeah, I mean it is broad across all of the

the asset classes, you know, we're in very attractive spaces, alternate assets, infrastructure, traditional real estate, multi-family, et cetera, and we do a little bit of credit as well. But, you know, the thing that really surprises a lot of people.

is that there is in addition to the fact that, and I commented above this in my comments, that we have a lot of perpetual and long dated funds, you have to remember that the LPs, and for us, most of the LPs are big institutions. We have just under 1,000 LPs.

Very little direct to retail at this point, although something we're working on. But these LPs have known us and our platforms for a long period of time. So they moved from one fund to another as the closed-ended funds.

mature and a new fund is initiated, they move from fund to fund. So in addition to the fact that there are long dated strategies closed ended funds.

It's the same investors that are going from fund to fund to fund. So there's a wonderful cadence of recurrability to this business and we're enjoying it. Now, it's cadence that only continues if we continue to deliver.

top-tier performance to our clients and that has continued through all of the platforms that we have. And you know, I think there's a lot of reasons why that happens.

Part of it is, of course, that we have selected carefully, but part of it also is that we're partners with the people that make it happen every day, and they have a significant vested interest in continuing to deliver top-tier performance to their clients. Probably more than you wanted to hear, but at least it gives you a little bit more color.

Now that's really really helpful.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Steven McLeod with BMO Capital, you may proceed.

Thank you. Good morning, guys.

I'm going to stay with you.

Just wanted to turn a little bit to leasing, which you've highlighted in your 2023 outlook, expected to be sort of stable and was stable in Q4. And I'm just curious if you can talk a little bit about some of the factors that give you strong visibility into leasing.

trends in net 2023.

in that 2023.

You know, we've said this for a long time and you know, I think if you go back really to the fundamentals of leasing, leases, five years, ten years, seven years, whatever the least term is, and during Cogut there was a period of time when...

landlords because of the uncertainty would extend lease terms for a year or two well people Well their tenants got comfortable with you know, what's the new paradigm? Which by the way, I'm not sure they're comfortable still yet on what the new paradigm is but ultimately leases have to be renewed

extended, a move has to take place. And so there is a repeatability to leasing that you don't necessarily have, for example, in capital markets. So we were not surprised to see leasing.

give or take the prior year. I think we were, we were, when night we were happy to see it, but leasing has got some interesting repeat qualities that are not really seen by most people.

Great. Thank you. That's helpful. And then just on turning to capital markets, just wondering if you can talk a little bit. I know you gave some color to you, which I appreciate. But just wondering if you can talk a little bit about how you've seen capital markets evolving in Q1.

If at all different in a material way from Q4, just it feels like there's a little bit more rate stability now than there was in Q4. I'm just curious if you had seen some sequential improvements in the capital markets business.

Well, Stephen, it's pretty early to comment on Q1.

But, certainly the trend from Q4 was down meaningfully, year over year relative to, in particular, the Americas record volumes in Q4 of 21.

Q1 of 2022 was a pretty strong quarter too. So the comparative is tough. And as I mentioned, we do expect capital markets to be down in the 20 to 40 percent range and aggregate in the first half. So I think what we're saying is that capital markets activity continues to be challenged.

And we expect it's going to be challenged in the first quarter. And in particular, larger assets are not really trading right now. You know that does, that means.

You know, that part of the market is not not very active. Other parts of the market, you know, we are seeing some activity. Um, but overall, it's going to be down like we said. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Thank you. And then, and then you just finally, um, you know, what you highlighted the strength of the balance sheet, which I think is a huge asset in a market like this.

and long-term as well, as well as the capital deployment that you've put towards acquisitions over the last 12 months. Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing with potential acquisition opportunities? And then, Christian, just to follow up, you mentioned the leverage target. And then, you mentioned the leverage target.

I was wondering if you could repeat that because I didn't quite pick it up in your prepared remarks. Do you want to talk about your target? Yeah, I'll start with a leverage target and then Jay will turn to acquisitions. The long term leverage range for us is 1 to 2 times. But we are comfortable exceeding 2 times temporarily if an acquisition opportunity comes available.

In terms of acquisitions,

we've got a, you know, with a billion dollars of acquisitions done last year, we could actually rest.

and collect the cash flow that we generate from our business, which is extensive. Our capex as a percentage of our EBITDA is relatively small, so we generate a lot of free cash flow in this Capital Lake business. But as we have done historically, we've set

a target of another $65 million ish in incremental evadon acquisitions for 23. And the beauty is they're all over the board for us. I mean lots of opportunity and services really around the world.

And there's even opportunity in investment management in a couple of areas as well. But I would say the services portion of our business has got tons and tons and tons of room. And as I've been saying, Stephen, for so long.

having a global platform with exceptional management teams around the world who've been with us for a long time and are heavily incentivized through share ownership and other things gives us the ability to execute on acquisitions virtually anywhere in the world and properly integrate them. And you know, we've been doing this for a long time. So...

You know, we're going to, for us, it's going to continue to be business as usual. And acquisitions will continue to be part of our overall growth plan.

Great, thanks Jay, thanks Christian and congrats on a great quarter.

Thanks.

Thanks. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Daryl Young with TD Securities. He may proceed.

Hey, good morning everyone and congrats on a good result. 1st question around the, the margins and investment management, they took a bit of a step higher this quarter. I think you've alluded to the potential for those to be sort of 50% or higher in the future. Is that going to come mostly from the organic fundraising and operating leverage or?

We're taking it on an incremental approach. I think the 50% margin target is a few years away for us, but certainly, 45% is well in reach for 2023.

Okay, great.

And then in terms of engineering and property management both going very well, have you seen any indications that financing costs or just construction costs in general are slowing the outlook for engineering? Or is there anything to see there? It seems like construction activity just continues to be exceedingly robust.

Very robust and in particular, the infrastructure spending everywhere is really driving engineering. I don't have the percentages of our business handy, but I would say that the majority of our revenues are

Things like infrastructure, rebuilds everywhere, new development everywhere, and that's really driving the growth of our engineering platform.

Got it.

And there was just one point of clarification to Steven's question. You mentioned 63 million of targeted EBITDA. That would be above and beyond the guidance that was just put out.

Yes, Daryl, I think Jay mentioned 65 million of incremental EBIT that could be as targeted as our acquisition goal for the year. That will be, you know, that will happen when the acquisitions happen and we'll update you at that point. But certainly the, you know, what branch we don't we have in front of you.

So this is sort of trying to dig deeper into one of the questions that was already asked in guidance. How much of your 2023 revenue and earnings guidance is driven by acquired businesses ruling up where obviously there is less risk versus...

other segments like capital markets or leasing where there could be more externalities. Just ask another way, how much of your 2023 revenue roll is already known.

But, Channy, that's a very interesting question and a very stupid one. As I mentioned earlier on the call about 75 in Lina, the Ubit Duh.

comes from the utilization of accession completed in 2022.

And out of that $50 million, sorry, out of that $75 million.

50 million is investment management, which we have extremely high visibility on. And the remainder is a combination of the other services, which includes a little bit of capital markets, but also significant amount of property management and engineering business.

Fair point. And then you guys talked about strong fundraising pipeline, which you expect to drive AUM growth of 10 to 15% in 2023. What's the composition of this incremental AUM? Will this be all? Will this be traditional or will this be...

And what sort of conversations are you having in this environment that's driving such strong fundraising? What is shift, what is the social media.

Well, it's all over the map based on the strategies that we're that we're in the market raising capital on. So I don't have the exact breakdown in front of me. Uh, but across the board, whether it's Harrison street, rock with the solved.

versus Collier's global investors all are in the market raising their next vintage of funds. There's one or two new products. New products generally raise less incremental dollars.

But vintage products generally do much better than that. So, you know, the expectation that Christian talked about in his prepared remarks are, you know, I would say significantly existing products re-ups.

products generally do much better than that. So, you know, the expectation that Christian talked about in his prepared remarks are, you know, I would say significantly existing products re-ups. Excellent. Thank you so much.

Thank you and as a reminder to ask a question you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. Our next question comes from Frederic Baskin with Raymond James you may proceed.

Good morning guys.

Good morning guys. I can confirm that.

I can confirm that the demand for engineering services is unlike anything I've seen in my 20 years covering the space. So pretty bullish on that particular end market. Now, given this, are you not tempted to dial up for the MNA?

I can confirm that the demand for engineering services is unlike anything I've seen in my 20 years covering a space. So pretty bullish on that particular end market. Now, given this, are you not tempted to dial up for the MNA?

the M&A on that particular sector. And just, I mean, I know you've been quite active there, but I think I am, took a focus, took a large part of your efforts.

and attention in 2022. So how do we think about that particular sector and the growth prospects in the next couple of years? Well, you've known us a long time and we try not to sleep too much, but.

Engineering and project management has gone from virtually nothing in 2018-ish to something that's approaching almost a billion dollars in revenue for us.

We are actively looking to augment those operations virtually around the globe. You saw the first significant acquisition in Australia during this past year.

There was also an acquisition in the UK during this past year. So we are very active. And if you have any opportunities that you think we should take a look at, we're always open to speak to anyone you want. No, no, thank you. Okay.

The other more like the other questions more along the more clarity around that, you know, Christian, you noted you got in towards a 20 to 40 percent decline capital markets.

Do you expect us to be evenly weighted between Q1 and Q2? And then secondly, are there regions where it's evenly spread among your three regions or will one region feel it more in particular? reproduct?

see the Americas be down significantly year on year because they had very strong performance in the first half of 2022. And when you look at Emilio, he already had challenges last year with the situation in your club.

So, you know, I don't expect the year of your grants, and maybe it'll be that significant. And as you look at Asia PAC, we had the COVID issue in Asia in the first half last year that was impacting our activity levels, so I don't think the grants is there are going to be as significant either. I think it's really going to be focused on the Americas.

Okay, thanks. That's helpful. Pretty consistent with what I was expecting.

Thank you, I'll leave it great results, great guidance, very happy.

And thank you all for the great results, great guidance, very happy. Nice.

Thank you. This concludes the Q&A session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Jay Henning for any closing remarks.

Thank you, operator, and thanks everyone for participating in our fourth quarter of year end.

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As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Today is February 9, 2023, and at this time for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Global Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mr. Jay Henning. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, operator. Good morning and thanks for joining us for this fourth quarter and your end conference call. I'm Jay Henning the Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and with me today is Christian Mayor of Chief Financial Officer. As always, this call is being webcast and is available in the investor relations section of our website.

A presentation slide deck is also available there to accompany today's call. During the fourth quarter, investment management and outsourcing and advisory delivered strong revenue growth, while leasing match the record results from the prior year period.

As expected, interest rate volatility and challenging debt markets impacted capital markets in our seasonally strongest quarter.

We expect this to continue through the first half of 2023. However, transactions are still being completed and there's significant pent-up demand for real estate assets, which should translate into additional volumes in future quarters.

especially as conditions stabilize. Aside from capital markets, momentum from the balance of our business is better than expected, as you'll hear from Christian. Strong, full-year performance was driven by high value recurring service lines.

which continues to validate our strategy of transforming callers into a different kind of diversified services company. With our globally balanced and highly diversified business, significant recurring revenues, and proven track record of capitalizing on opportunities.

Colliers is stronger and more resilient than ever. Earnings from high value recurring revenues now make up about 58% of our pro forma EBITDA and this is growing. Last year we completed a record $1 billion in acquisitions across our global enterprise.

These acquisitions not only strengthen our core, but they also create additional opportunities to drive shareholder value.

In investment management, a segment established only six years ago, we finished the year with total assets under management of $98 billion.

placing calliers amongst the top global players in the alternative private capital industry.

One of the most important attributes of this business is that 85% of our assets are in perpetual or long-dated funds. Ten years or more.

These revenues are very stable and have grown historically year over year, and we expect this to continue in the future. As you might remember, in 2020, we announced our Enterprise 25 Growth Strategy.

The goal was to double our profitability and generate more than 65% of our earnings from high value recurring revenues over the following 5 years.

Last year was the second year of our plan and so far were well ahead of our targets. If we're able to achieve this as we've done in the past, it will be excellent news for shareholders.

Paul Ears has a highly respected global brand and growth platform.

We have a well-balanced and highly diversified business.

with the unique, enterprising culture and leadership team who have a significant equity stake in our company.

The combination of these characteristics truly sets calliers apart from the rest.

But perhaps most importantly, we have a 28-year track record of delivering 20% annual growth and share value to shareholders.

But perhaps most importantly, we have a 28-year track record of delivering 20% annual growth in share value to shareholders, a track record we are very proud of.

Now let me turn things over to Christian. Christian, thank you Jay and good morning. My comments will follow the flow of the slides posted on the investor relations section of colliers.com accompanying this call.

Please note that the non-gat measures referenced on the call are defined in today's press release.

All references to revenue growth are expressed in local currency.

Our fourth quarter revenues were 1.2 billion relative to 1.3 billion in the prior year period. Revenues were up strongly in our recurring Othossing and Advisory and Investment Management service lines.

Our leasing operations were up 3%, benefiting from continuing activity in office and industrial leasing.

Capital markets, as Jay mentioned, declined across all regions, reflecting the impact of higher interest rates, reduced availability of capital, and geopolitical uncertainty.

On an overall basis, eternal revenues declined 11% entirely on lower capital markets activity.

Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 was 203 million, up 6% from 1 year ago, with margins at 16.6%, up 230 basis points relative to the prior 8 or 4.

The margin improvement primarily reflects service mix shift toward our high margin investment management operations.

America's fourth quarter revenues were 679 million, down 16 percent relative to the prior period.

Outsthrusting Advisory was up 9% driven by engineering and design, including recent acquisitions.

Leasing activity matched the record results from the prior year report.

capital markets, including debt origination, was down 51% relative to record volumes in the prior year's seasonally strongest fourth quarter.

Adjust the $1.83 million down 12% from last year.

Q4 and NIO revenues were 228 million, up 8% from one year ago.

Project management activities up across the region as releasing transactions.

Adjusted even with 36M versus 42M last year with a margin primarily impacted by service mix with a higher proportion of project management revenues at modest margins.

Asia Pacific revenues were 194 million down 3%. Capital markets revenues were impacted by industry volatility and continued COVID restriction in Asia.

while leasing improved in both industrial and office asset classes. Adjustity of the Dow is 34 million relative to 38 million in the prior year quarter.

Fourth quarter, investment management revenues were $121 million of 53%.

Excluding pass-through carried interest, revenues were up 87%, driven by acquisitions and management fee growth from increased assets under management.

Adjust the EBITDA for the quarter was $53 million, up 88%.

The D. Badaf of the quarter was 53 million up 88% relative to the comparative border.

For reference, our reported Adjusted EBITDA is equivalent to fee related earnings or FRE that many peer-play IM firms report since our IM earnings are generated from recurring management fees. For reference, our report's report is equivalent to fee related earnings or FRE that many peer-play IM firms report since our IM earnings are generated from recurring management fees.

Fund raising across our platform for the full year 2022 totaled $8 billion. This was a relatively strong result when compared to the general slowdown in capital allocation by investors across most real estate asset classes.

We have a strong fundraising pipeline which we hope will derive internal AUM growth of 10 to 15% in 2023.

As of December 31st, we had 98 billion of AUM.

Our fee-paying AUM is now 53 billion. As I noted last quarter, the private and defensive nature of the real estate and real assets in our portfolio brings stability to our AUM.

Our financial leverage ratio at the December 31st defined as net debt to perform on the Justin Evadot was 1.8 times.

We expect our leverage to be 1.8 to 2 times for the first half of 23.

declining to the 1.5 times range of the second half.

As previously noted, the target leverage range is between 1.2 times, and we are comfortable exceeding this range temporarily if a compelling acquisition opportunity becomes available.

We have provided an initial outlook regarding our financial performance expectations for 2023.

Our outlook includes all acquisitions completed to date and incorporates our best information for each service line and geography.

There are three broad themes to our outlook.

One, recurring investment management revenues are expected to grow significantly from continued capital raising for several products we have in the market right now.

As well as the annualization of recent acquisitions. 2. Recurring outsourcing and advisory operations are expected to continue to grow organically.

as well as from the annualization of recent acquisitions. In three, we expect capital markets activity to be down 20 to 40% during the first half of 23 relative to strong priorier preparedness.

with a return to year-over-year growth in the second half. We expect to maintain disciplined cost control through this period with tight management of discretionary expenses.

And by gearing our support and administrative staffing levels to match expected revenues.

This outlook is subject to a risk of uncertain needs of other line on the accompanying slides.

That concludes my prepared remarks.

I would now like to open the call for questions. Operator, and you please open the line.

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star-1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star-1-1 again.

Our first question comes from Michael Dumit with Scotia Capital. You may proceed.

Hey, Gwaring Jane, Christian. My first question, I wanted to dig into the 2023 EBITDAQ guidance just a little bit. My math tells me, you know, assuming a hundred million of incrementally EBITDAQ from the deal that you have closed at the midpoint of the 23. Goddard.

essentially implies flat organic EBITDA. So first, is that thinking correct? And then second just broadly is the idea that you know leasing ONA and IM effectively offset capital markets.

Great question, Michael. First off, the EBITDA from the Anodation of Act conditions is more like 75 million, not 100 million.

So you need to dial that into your organic growth assumptions, which will take those assumptions a bit higher.

growth assumptions which will take those assumptions a bit higher.

That's my that's my key observation to your comment. You know, as it relates to capital markets, I mean, of course, I've outlined that we expect to be down. Significantly in the 1st, half, which will translate to being down in that particular service line. By 10 to 20%.

on a full-year basis. The other parts of the business out thrusting advisory and investment management have significant organic growth baked in to each of those areas as we continue to grow organically and generate new business in those segments.

Thanks, Christian. That's a great outlook. And then maybe just flipping to the Americas here. So we saw margin expansion there, despite the contraction and revenue. You highlighted lower commissions and sent of comp and discretionary spend. Just wondering, you know, how we should think about the sustainability of the margin expansion there through the first half of 23 given.

the anticipated declines in capital markets. Well, look, when you have significant declines in revenues, you're going to have some margin compression.

We're doing our best to manage costs. We have highly skilled operators in the field that have done this before three years ago. We lived through the pandemic and we took a very disciplined approach to cost management and we're doing the same in this situation.

So we're going to do the best we can to maintain those margins, but there will be some margin compression. Of course, as revenue declined at those levels, we talked about it in the first half.

Perfect. That makes sense. Those are my two guys. Thank you.

Thank you.

Alright, so question goes from Steven Sheldon with William Blair in company, you may proceed.

Okay, thanks. And just to start off with just want to commend you on continuing to give guidance for the year, which is, you know, is pretty rare in this industry. The first question on capital market.

in to 2024. Well, I think it's definitely transactions have been canceled. And for all the reasons you'd expect interest rates, availability of capital.

You know, near term expectation that a building was worth $X 6 months ago and it's worth substantially last today.

But there is huge pent-up demand, at least we see it. We see it in Europe actually, the smaller transactions, the smaller buildings are moving, are trading. But we think there is a big pent-up demand of real estate assets that want to trade.

but they still need a period of time to stabilize and stabilize both on both sides. An entire quality assets will trade sooner than lesser quality assets, but there is a lot of discovery happening. It's not just price discovery. It's...

clients looking at portfolios or ways to acquire two or three assets from a seller who might be under a little bit of financial pressure. So I would say our capital markets people are busier today than they've ever been before.

And it's in an environment where they know the likelihood of near-term completing transactions is not as rapid as it was, let's say a year ago.

Got it, that's helpful. It just did a follow-up for investment management. Great trends in fundraising, AUM.

I guess you're at a high level. What do you attribute that success to? And is that AUM grow? You have a lot of different assets and businesses there now. I guess if that AUM growth pretty broad based across the different businesses you have in there, just any more detail on that. Yeah, I mean, it is broad across all...

But you know the thing that really surprises a lot of people is that there is in addition to the fact that, and I commented about this in my comments, that we have a lot of perpetual and long dated funds, you have to remember that the LPs, and for us most of the LPs,

period of time. So they move from one fund to another as the closed-ended funds mature and a new fund is initiated, they move from fund to fund. So in addition to the fact that their long-dated strategies closed-ended funds.

It's the same investors that are going from fund to fund to fund. So there's a wonderful cadence of recurability to this business and we're enjoying it now. It's a cadence that only continues.

If we continue to deliver top tier performance to our clients, and that has continued through all of the platforms that we have. And I think there's a lot of reasons why that happens.

No, that's really helpful. Thank you.

Now that's really really helpful. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Stephen MacLeod with BMO Capital you may proceed.

comes from Steven McCloud. With BMO capital you may proceed. Thank you. Good morning guys.

Hi, good morning. Just wanted to turn a little bit to leasing, which you've highlighted in your 2023 outlook, expected to be sort of stable and was stable in Q4. And I'm just curious if you could talk a little bit about some of the factors that give you strong visibility into leasing.

trends in QNet 2023.

and Q in that 2023.

You know, we've said this for a long time and you know, I think if you go back really to the fundamentals of leasing, leases, five years, ten years, seven years, whatever the least term is. And during Cogut there was a period of time when...

And so there is a repeatability to leasing that you don't necessarily have, for example, in capital markets. So we were not surprised to see leasing give or take the prior year. I think we were, we were, we were, we were happy to see it.

But leasing has got some interesting repeat qualities that are not really seen by most people. Great. Thank you. That's helpful. And then just on turning the capital markets.

You know, just wondering if you can talk a little bit. I know you gave some color j, which I appreciate. But just wondering if you can talk a little bit about, sort of how you've seen capital markets evolving in Q1 if at all different in a material way from Q4. Just, it feels like there's a little bit more rate stability.

Now, then there was in Q4. So I'm just curious if you had seen some sequential improvements in the capital markets Well, see, it's pretty early to comment on Q1, but you certainly, the trend from Q4 was down, meaningfully, your rear relatives do, in particular in the Americas.

record volumes in Q4 of 21. Q1 of 2022 was a pretty strong quarter too. So the comparative is tough and as I mentioned you know we do expect CalMarcus to be down in the 20 to 40 percent range and aggregate in the first half. So I think what we're saying is that...

Capital markets activity tends to be challenged and we expect it's going to be challenged in the first quarter and in particular larger assets are not really trading right now You know that does that mean you know that part of the market is is not not very active other parts of the market You know we are seeing some activity

But overall, it's going to be down, like we said. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. And then you just finally, you know, what you highlighted the strength of the balance sheet, which I think is a huge asset in a market like this, and long-term as well, as well as the capital deployment that you've...

put towards acquisitions over the last 12 months. Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing with potential acquisition opportunities? And then, Christian, just to follow up, you mentioned the leverage target. It's wondering if you could repeat that because I didn't quite pick it up in your paper marks.

Yeah, I'll start with the leverage target and then J will turn to acquisitions. The long-term leverage range for us is one to two times, but we are comfortable exceeding two times temporarily if an acquisition opportunity comes available. So, the long-term leverage range for us is one to two times, but we are comfortable exceeding two times temporarily if an acquisition opportunity comes available.

In terms of acquisitions,

we've got a, you know, with a billion dollars of acquisitions done last year, we could actually rest.

and collect the cash flow that we generate from our business, which is extensive. Our cap acts as a percentage of our, our, our, even does relatively small. So we generate a lot of free cash flow in this capital-like business. But as, as we have done historically, we've set.

a target of another $65 million ish in incremental EBITDA and acquisitions for 23. And the beauty is they're all over the board for us. I mean, lots of opportunity and services really around the world.

And there's even an opportunity in investment management in a couple of areas as well. But I would say the services portion of our business has got tons and tons and tons of room. And as I've been saying, Stephen, for so long, having a global platform with exceptional management teams around the world.

So we're going to, for us, it's going to continue to be business as usual and acquisitions will continue to be part of our overall growth plan. Great. Thanks, Jay. Thanks, Christian, and congrats on a great quarter. Thanks.

It's going to continue to be business as usual and acquisitions will continue to be part of our overall growth plan. Great. Thanks, Jay. Thanks, Christian, and congrats on your recorder. Thanks. Thank you.

Our next question goes from Darryl Young with PD Securities. Hey, good morning everyone. Congrats on a good result. First question. Around the margins and the management, they took a bit of a step higher this quarter. I think you've alluded to the potential for those to be sort of 50% or higher in the future. The next question goes from Darryl Young.

Is that going to come mostly from the organic fundraising and operating leverage, or should we see some integration synergies upside?

Yeah, I think it's going to be mostly from organic growth and then operating leverage that comes from that. And I think as we look ahead to 2023, we're taking it on an incremental approach. I think the 50% margin target is a few years away for us. And I think it's going to be a few years.

But certainly, you know, 45% is well in reach for 2023.

Okay, great. And then in terms of engineering and property management both going very well. Have you seen any indications that financing costs or just construction costs in general are slowing the outlook for engineering? Or is there anything to see there? It seems like construction activity just continues to be exceedingly robust.

infrastructure, rebuilds, everywhere, new development, everywhere, and that's really driving the growth of our engineering platform.

Got it. And there was just 1 point of clarification to Stephen's question. You mentioned 63M of targeted EBITDA. That would be above and beyond the guidance that was just put out. Yes, Daryl, I think Jay mentioned 65M of incremental EBITDA.

that could be as targeted as a requisition goal for the year. That will be, you know, that'll happen when the acquisitions happen, and we'll update you at that point. But certainly the yellow-bringed we have in front of you today does not include any acquisitions.

Alright, I'll get back in the queue. Thanks, guys.

Terrific. All right, I'll get back in the queue. Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Chadney Luthra with Goldman Sachs. You may proceed. Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. So this is sort of trying to dig deeper into one of the questions that was already asked in guidance. How much of your 2023 revenue and earnings guidance is driven by acquired business?

But, Channy, that's a very interesting question and a very stupid one. As I mentioned earlier on the call about 75 in line of the Yubit Duh. Hey.

It comes from the utilization of activations completed. in 2022.

And out of that $50 million, sorry, out of that $75 million, $50 million is investment management, which we have extremely high visibility on. And the remainder is a combination of the other services, which includes a little bit of capital markets, but also significant amount of property management and engineering business. Fair point.

And then you guys talked about strong fundraising pipeline, which you expect to drive AUM growth of 10 to 15% in 2023. What's the composition of this incremental AUM? Will this be all, will this be traditional or will this be infra? And what sort of conversations are you having in this environment that's driving such...

strong fundraising. Well, it's all over the map based on the strategies that we're in the market raising capital on. So I don't have the exact breakdown in front of me, but across the board, whether it's Harrison Street, Rockwood,?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Vintage products generally do much better than that. So, you know, the expectation that Christian talked about in his prepared remarks are, you know, I would say significantly existing products re-ups.

Excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. Our next question comes from Frederick Bastion with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Good morning guys. I've reconfirmed that.

for engineering services is unlike anything I've seen in my 20 years covering the space, so pretty bullish on that particular end market. Now, given this, are you not tempted to dial up for the MNA?

on that particular sector and just, I mean, I know you've been quite active there, but I think IM took a focus, took a large part of your efforts. And attention in 2022. So how do we think about that particular sector and

the growth prospects in the next couple years? Well, you've known us a long time and we try not to sleep too much, but engineering and project management has gone from virtually nothing to getting what we got in the 11th push to theberg and is touchdown in luck for the new Coleman is the second and already a

2018-ish to something that's approaching almost a billion dollars in revenue for us.

We are actively looking to augment those operations virtually around the globe. You saw the first significant acquisition in Australia during this past year.

Thank you, Jay.

The other question is more along the more clarity around that. Christian, you noted you got in towards a 20 to 40% decline capital markets.

There are more like the other questions more along the more clarity around that, you know, Christian, you noted you got it towards a 20 to 40 percent decline capital markets.

Do you expect that to be evenly weighted between Q1 and Q2? And then secondly, are there regions where it's evenly spread among your 3 regions or will 1 region feel it more in particular? Frederick, I'm not sure I want to get into the.

The Americas be down significantly year on year because they had very strong performance in the 1st, half of 2022. And when you look at, you know, had already had challenges last year with. With the situation in Ukraine.

So, you know, I don't expect the year of your variance. And maybe I'd be that significant. And as you look at Asia PAC, we had the COVID issue in Asia in the first half of last year that was impacting our activity levels. So I don't think the variances there are going to be as significant either. The thing is really going to be focused in the Americas. OK, thanks. That's helpful. Pretty inconsistent with what?

Thank you, operator, and thanks everyone for participating in our fourth quarter of a year and a

Here in the conference call, we look forward to speaking to you again at the end of the first quarter and we'll see how we do in Capital markets have a great day

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call. Thank you for your participation and have a nice day.

impacting our activity levels. So I don't think the variances there are going to be as significant either. I think it's really going to be focused in the Americas. Okay, I think that's helpful, pretty inconsistent with what I was expecting. Thanks, I'll leave it. Great results, great guidance, very happy. Thanks. Thank you. This concludes the Q&A session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Jay Henick for any closing remarks. Thank you, operator, and thanks everyone for participating in our fourth quarter year-end conference call. We look forward to speaking to you again at the end of the first quarter, and we'll see how we do in capital markets. Have a great day. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference call. Thank you for your participation, and have a nice day. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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