Q4 2022 Solaredge Technologies Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us to discuss SolarEdge's operating results for the fourth quarter and full year ending December 31, 2021.
Speaker 3: 2022 as well as the company's outlook for the first quarter of 2023. With me today are Steve Elando, Chief Executive Officer and Ronan Fier, Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker 3: Stevie will begin with a brief review of the results of the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2022. Ronin will review the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year followed by the company's outlook for the first quarter of 2023. We will then open the call for questions.
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Speaker 3: Listeners who do not have a copy of the quarter end of December 31, 2022 press release or the supplemental material may obtain a copy by visiting the investors section of the companyís website. Now I will turn the call over to Stevie.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Erica. Good afternoon and thank you all for joining us on our conference call today.
Speaker 4: We are pleased to report that we have concluded the corridor with record revenues of $890 billion and record revenues for the year 2022 of $3.1 billion.
Speaker 4: I will start with the summary of 2022 and the main themes which shaped the year and how we expect them to impact our business moving forward.
Speaker 4: Total revenues in 2022 grew 58% over the previous year and 63% in the solar business.
Speaker 4: Growth in the solar business was across all segments and regions and practically in every country in which we operate.
Speaker 4: Most notable in year over year, we saw significant growth in the United States, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, the UK, and France.
Speaker 4: Additionally, in 2022, we saw several new markets reach significant size and generate meaningful revenue, showing significant potential for future growth, including Taiwan and Brazil.
Speaker 4: A key highlight of 2022 was the growth of our revenues coming from Europe , which grew by 89% year over year.
Speaker 4: This remarkable growth is a function of the increase in power prices, prior to the beginning of the Ukraine Russia conflict, and the accelerated increases ever since, as well as the expansion of our portfolio to include inverters, EV chargers and batteries addressing the specific European market needs.
Speaker 4: An additional boost to our annual revenues came from the introduction globally of our own batteries that have been well received by our customers.
Speaker 4: Note that in the fourth quarter of 2022, 52% of the batteries attached to new PV installations with our inverter systems were of our own battery, and 48% were batteries from other suppliers attached to our inverter system.
Speaker 4: This together with the trend of increased battery attachment rate are an indication of the healthy potential for continued growth of sales for our batteries.
Speaker 4: From our segment point of view, we saw significant revenue growth and portfolio expansion in both of our key segments.
Speaker 4: On the residential side, we launched SolarEdge Home, offering a complete energy management system for the home, including PV, battery backup, EV charging, load control, and a homeowner app to manage them all in one single place.
Speaker 4: SolarEdge Home is now available in the US, Europe , Australia, and Brazil, and combined with our designer software, it provides our customers an end-to-end solution for design, disposal, installation, and commissioning, all working together out of the box.
Speaker 4: In the commercial segment, our growth this year is attributed to market share gain, expansion into new applications such as floating PV, as well as the successful adoption rate of our commercial portfolio with its safety offering in the fast-growing segment of corporations progressing their ESG programs.
Speaker 4: Based on the demand we are seeing in our substantial backlog, we expect the momentum in the commercial segment to continue into 2020.
Speaker 4: On the operational side, we are very pleased with our accomplishments in 2022, which was a very challenging year.
Speaker 4: In the first half of 2022, we faced COVID-related factory shutdowns and component challenges, in particular in light of the volumes that were needed to support the growth and demand.
Speaker 4: Despite these challenges, we were able to ramp the Mexico factory and increase our overall inverter and optimizer gigawatt shipments 47% year over year.
Speaker 4: We believe that the infrastructure and resilience we developed in 2022 will serve us well as demand for our product continues to increase.
Speaker 4: And now let's turn to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: This quarter we generated record revenues for the company, led by record revenues from our global solar business driven from significant quarter over quarter growth in the United States
Speaker 4: In aggregate, we shipped this quarter a record 3.1 gigawatts of our DC optimized inverter solution and 217 megawatt hour of residential batteries.
Speaker 4: This quarter, we shipped 6.7 million power optimizers and 315,000 inverters.
Speaker 4: We also delivered record shipments this quarter to France, the Netherlands, Spain, and Brazil. In these countries in particular, and across our global markets in general, growth this quarter came from a higher portion of sales of inverters and optimizers versus batteriesfall.
Speaker 4: And is a result of the strong demand for our products for new solar installations.
Speaker 4: From a demand and inventory point of view, we continue to see very strong demand from Europe for all products and relatively low inventory levels in the channel.
Speaker 4: This is validated by our distribution sell-through data for Europe , which was at record levels in November prior to the holiday season for both residential and commercial products.
Speaker 4: In North America, residential sell-through reports from our distributors for the fourth quarter were seasonally down, more so than we have seen in the recent past.
Speaker 4: Early reports from the start of 2023 are showing an improvement.
Speaker 4: However, in light of the uncertainties in the market related to NEM 3.0 and the economic environment, we are mindful and cautious of the rate of the recovery.
Speaker 4: That said, we are confident in the long-term strength of the U.S. residential market and recently strengthened our position in this market by announcing cooperation with two important players in the market, Sonova and Freedom Forever.
Speaker 4: From a segment point of view, we shipped this quarter 1.6 gigawatts of residential inverters and optimizers, 27 percent more than the last quarter, and 1.5 gigawatts of commercial product, a 6 percent increase from last quarter.
Speaker 4: In discussing the residential segment, I want to elaborate on the opportunities and dynamics coming from the NEM 3.0, the new metering policy in California, which comes into effect in April .
Speaker 4: Under the new NEM 3.0 tariff, average export rates drop by approximately 70% compared to the current policy.
Speaker 4: But this number is a bit misleading as there are times in the year and specific days where the export rates are actually higher than they were under M2.0.
Speaker 4: This will make coupling of solar PV with a battery a more attractive proposition for California homeowners, especially if the battery is smartly used to import and export power at the right times.
Speaker 4: We have seen such transitions happen in the past in Europe and countries like the UK, Germany and Belgium, and while it takes the market time to adjust to the new reality, we typically experience significant growth in PV plus battery installation rates following such tariff transitions.
Speaker 4: Our large install base of PV plus batteries in time of use or self-consumption markets has enabled us to both gain experience managing such use cases as well as develop specific algorithms to maximize the import and export optimization.
Speaker 4: Additionally, our DC-coupled architecture is specifically suitable for such schemes, as the system can maximize the amount of energy it stores from the solar panels without clipping PV power due to the AC inverter size, even at 200% DC oversizing.
Speaker 4: DC coupling also means there is only one AC to DC conversion for energy stored in the battery as opposed to three conversions in an AC coupled architecture.
Speaker 4: We estimate that 5 to 7% of stored energy is lost in these power conversions. And when charging and discharging the battery every day, this can amount to up to 10 days of additional power every year from a DC coupled system like ours.
Speaker 4: Finally, in self-consumption mode, DC coupled batteries are simple to install and commission as they only require one DC connection to the inverter and do not require main panel upgrades.
Speaker 4: As such, we believe that after a transition period following NEM 0.3 coming to effect, we will see a gradual market recovery and good adoption of our solar PV plus battery solutions in California.
Speaker 4: Moving to the commercial segment where we are seeing strength across all geography including Asia Pacific, Europe and the United States.
Speaker 4: Our growth in the commercial segment, as I mentioned earlier, is a product of multiple trends such as corporate ESG, the push to reduce carbon footprint, floating PV, community solar, carports and others.
Speaker 4: An additional segment in which we see increased traction is agro PV and dual use of land.
Speaker 4: Most recently we have seen government initiatives to prioritize and grow this segment in countries such as Italy, Japan, Taiwan and others.
Speaker 4: For this application, we are offering a comprehensive solution based on our inverters optimizers and recently released land adoptable trackers from our subsidiary SolarGeek.
Speaker 4: The design flexibility of our solution and the safety features we offer make our portfolio product attractive for this growing application.
Speaker 4: Moving from segments to products.
Speaker 4: As mentioned this quarter, we shipped 217 megawatt hour of residential single and three-phase batteries.
Speaker 4: This is lower than our battery shipments last quarter, as in some cases we have not yet caught up on inverter volumes of the specific inverters needed for these battery installations.
Speaker 4: We are focused on ramping the new three-phase backup inverter that we discussed last quarter to address the strong demand for this configuration of inverters plus batteries.
Speaker 4: Overall, the global attach rate for batteries to our inverters increased this quarter to 11.1% of new residential installations compared to 8.5% of the new installations in the third quarter.
Speaker 4: The highest attach rate that we see for batteries to our inverters are in Germany, where the attach rate is 61%, Italy with an attach rate of 56%, and the UK with an attach rate of 31%.
Speaker 4: I would like now to address installation times. As adoption of battery systems grows, the need to better manage time of installation is becoming critical for our customers.
Speaker 4: They require both short time of installation, often aiming to complete the PV plus battery installation in a single day, as well as predictability of installation times to enable them to better plan the time of their electricians and installation crews.
Speaker 4: We are focusing on the installer experience from system design to physical installation and commissioning.
Speaker 4: Our design software enables the installer to design the exact system to meet homeowner needs and then automatically export it to the SolarEdge installation app which helps guide the physical installation and then commissioning the entire system.
Speaker 4: Our SolarEdge home network provides wireless communication between the inverter, battery, EV charger, and load controls, eliminating time-consuming installation of communication wires, while our DC-coupled architecture means you can often avoid costly and time-consuming main panel upgrades.
Speaker 4: Our step-by-step commissioning process enables commissioning a PV-only system in less than 25 minutes.
Speaker 4: and a complete PV with battery backup system in approximately 45 minutes.
Speaker 4: We are aiming to reduce the commissioning time by more than 50% in the coming year.
Speaker 4: Our goal is to enable our customers to consistently install a PV plus battery system in less than one day. Given the increased demand for PV systems worldwide and the fact that the availability of qualified installation crews is becoming a significant bottleneck for growth, we are
Speaker 4: We are placing emphasis on installation time and simplicity across all of our product portfolio via product development training in automated support applications.
Speaker 4: In early January , we announced the acquisition of HARC systems.
Speaker 4: HART is an energy analytics and industrial IoT company based in Leeds in the UK.
Speaker 4: Their software as a service, SAS suite of product, allows companies to get granular level of energy transparency and then start acting on what they are seeing.
Speaker 4: It integrates with solar storage, EV charging services, HVAC, factory machinery, building management systems, lighting systems, arc meters, and other assets.
Speaker 4: Hark is a startup at the point of scale up and has demonstrated that it can deliver value to different stakeholders of their customers, which includes supermarket chain, industrial processing companies, energy companies, and real estate services.
Speaker 4: Besides the standalone product which we intend to roll out to a selected group of customers in 2023,
Speaker 4: We believe that the HART team can play a great role in adding new and innovative capabilities to our overall commercial offering and support us as we increase our product portfolio in this space.
Speaker 4: The closing of the transaction is awaiting regulatory approval in the UK, which we expect to receive within the first half of 2023.
Speaker 4: Moving to our non-solar business. Our Cela II factory ramp up is on schedule and we are shipping sales from the new factory to our customers.
Speaker 4: The cell we are shipping, which will also be incorporated into our residential and commercial batteries, is designed and optimized for the use of the same technology as the previous generation of cell batteries.
Speaker 4: energy storage application and can reach up to 8,000 cycles, has high energy density and high power throughput through a wide temperature range.
Speaker 4: Our e-mobility revenues continue at a steady rate as we continue to supply powertrain units to Stellantis. If you continue to Eliot seedisation today, we
Speaker 4: In parallel, we are engaged in additional electrification opportunities, however, at a lower scale than initially anticipated, which has led to the write-off of intangible assets related to the original acquisition of this division, as will be further detailed by O'Nan.
Speaker 4: Before I hand the call over to Juanen, I would like to update on our plans for U.S. manufacturing.
Speaker 4: We are executing a plan for U.S. domestic manufacturing of inverters and optimizers on the basis of a combination of contract manufacturing and owned facilities.
Speaker 4: We expect first products to be manufactured in the third quarter of 2023 and are aiming for the majority of the IRA-credited residential and commercial products for the U.S. market to be manufactured domestically by the second half of 2024.
Speaker 4: Some of the details of the SLAM are still dependent on the impending clarifications from the Treasury.
Speaker 4: To summarize my remarks, we are pleased with the growth we have seen in the fourth quarter in the entire year, which are a result of our global presence and multi-segment approach. We believe this approach will serve us well during some of the market transitions expected in 2023. There are nowathy sayings in the comments section below.
Speaker 4: And now I will hand it over to Juan Ed. Thank you, C.B., and good afternoon, everyone. This financial review includes a GAAP and non-GAAP discussion. Full reconciliation of the performance of GAAP results discussed on this call is available on our website and in the press release issued today.
Speaker 4: Segment profit is comprised of gross profit for the segment, less operating expenses that do not include amortization of purchased intangible assets, impairments of goodwill and intangible assets, stock-based compensation expenses, and certain other items.
Speaker 4: Before I start the financial review for the quarter, I would like to address two issues that impacted our GAAP financials while having minimal to no effect on our non-GAAP results.
Speaker 4: As part of our year-end procedures, we addressed the existence and valuation of intangible assets related to our past acquisition. While as mentioned by CVE, our immobility divisions continue to deliver products and is part of our future strategy, following our financial and business analysis, we came to the conclusion that our future strategy is to deliver products and valuation.
Speaker 4: that the intangible assets related to this business, which included mostly goodwill, is no longer justified. As such, we have written off this quarter a gap amount of $107.4 million representing our entire intangible assets related to this acquisition.
Speaker 4: In addition, we wrote of intangible assets in the amount of $7 million related to our automation machine business that continues to operate as usual.
Speaker 4: The second noteworthy item is related to tax expenses. Under the Israeli tax regime, an Israeli corporation with sales of over 10 billion new Israeli shekels, approximately $3.1 billion is subject to reduced corporate tax of 6%
Speaker 4: on income derived from technological products. Following our growth this year, we have crossed this threshold and we are therefore eligible for such benefits.
Speaker 4: The impact on our actual taxes reflected both in our gap and our non-b gap results is minimal since whatever expenses saved in Israel are paid in the United States in the form of guilty tax. However, the impact on value of our deferred tax assets in Israel is significant since we will be able to utilize these tax assets at the lower point.
Speaker 4: compared to $551.9 million for the same quarter last year.
Speaker 4: Revenues from our solar segment, which include the sales of residential batteries, were a record $837 million, a 6% increase compared to $788.6 million last quarter, and a 66% increase compared to $788.6 million last quarter.
Speaker 4: to $502.7 million for the same quarter last year. Solar revenues from the United States this quarter were $305.5 million, a 21 percent increase from the last quarter and a 19 percent increase from the same quarter last year, representing 36 percent of our solar revenues.
Speaker 4: Solar revenues from Europe were $473 million, a 1% decrease from the last quarter and a 45% increase from the same quarter last year, representing 57% of our solar revenue.
Speaker 4: While we sold less batteries in Europe this quarter due to seasonal factors, our inverters and optimizers revenues in Europe grew this quarter by 26% compared to the last quarter. This quarter we saw record revenues in the Netherlands, Spain, and France.
Speaker 4: Rest of the world solar revenues were $58.5 million, a 5% decrease compared to the last quarter and a 12% increase from the last year representing 7% of our total solar revenues.
Speaker 4: On a megawatt basis, we shipped 880 megawatts to the United States, a record 1.8 gigawatts to Europe , and a record 481 megawatts to the rest of the world, surpassing 3 gigawatts of record quarterly product shipments. 48% of the megawatt shipments this quarter are from the United States.
Speaker 4: of which were shipped to Europe , driven by the strong adoption and demand for a three-phase battery.
Speaker 4: ASP per watt, this quarter, excluding battery revenues, was 23.7 cents, a 2% increase from 23.3 cents.
Speaker 4: This ASP per watt increase is mainly a result of a stronger euro, decreased portion of commercial product in the mix, as well as the result of price increases we have implemented in previous quarters. The
Speaker 4: Our ASP per kilowatt hour was $473 this quarter.
Speaker 4: It is worth noting that our single and three-phase batteries are sold at different ASP per kilowatt-hour since they are based on different technologies and come in different markets. This quarter we had no change in our setting prices for both battery types.
Speaker 4: Revenue Discooter from our non-solar businesses were $53.6 million.
Speaker 4: Consolidated gap gross margin for the quarter was 29.3% compared to 26.5% in the prior quarter and 29.1% in the same quarter last year. Non-gap gross margin this quarter was 30.2% compared to 27.3% in the prior quarter and 30.3%
Speaker 4: in the same quarter last year. Growth margin for the solar segment was 32.4% compared to 28.3 in the prior quarter.
Speaker 4: The higher gross margin this quarter is a result of the price increases we have implemented in previous quarters a stronger euro and a higher mix of residential products.
Speaker 4: As we continue to ramp our global manufacturing and as a result of the holiday season that impacts our logistic flow in every fourth quarter, we did not have a meaningful improvement in our shipping expenses which we expect will continue to decrease as percentage of revenues in the upcoming quarters. Excluding batteries shipped into the United States.
Speaker 4: of U.S. commercial products coming from our production site in Vietnam.
Speaker 4: Growth margin for our non-solared segment was minus 4.6 percent compared to 11.2 percent in the previous quarter, a result of sell-a-to ramp-up costs and lower margins on our e-mobility sales.
Speaker 4: On a non-gap basis, operating expenses
Speaker 4: For the fourth quarter, we're 119 million or 13.4 percent of revenue.
Speaker 4: compared to $108.3 million or 12.9% of revenues in the prior quarter and $94.1 million or 17.1% of revenues for the same quarter last year. Our solar segment operating expenses as percentage of solar revenues were 13%
Speaker 4: compared to 12.2% last quarter. We expect to see increased efficiency in this ratio in the next quarter as our revenues continue to grow faster than our expense base.
Speaker 4: non-GAAP operating income for the quarter was a record $149.6 million compared to $120.2 million in the previous quarter and $72.9 million for the same period last year.
Speaker 4: This quarter, the solar segment generated a record operating profit of $162.2 million compared to an operating profit of $126.7 million last quarter.
Speaker 4: The non-solar segment generated an operating loss of $12.5 million compared to an operating loss of $6.5 million in the previous quarter.
Speaker 4: Non- GAAP financial income for the quarter was $59.4 million compared to a non- GAAP financial expense of $31.6 million in the previous quarter. Our non-GAP tax expense was $37.5 million compared to $34.5 million of the previous quarter.
Speaker 4: and $7.9 million for the same period last year. This quarter tax expense includes the capitalization of R&D expenses spent outside of the United States as explained last quarter.
Speaker 4: Gap net income for the fourth quarter was $20.8 million compared to a gap net income of $24.7 million in the previous quarter and $41 million in the same quarter last year. Our non-gap net income was a record $171.5 million.
Speaker 4: compared to a non-GAAP net income of $54.1 million in the previous quarter and $62.8 million in the same quarter last year. GAAP net diluted earnings per share was 36 cents for the fourth quarter compared to 43 cents in the previous quarter and 74 cents for the same quarter.
Speaker 4: cash, cash equivalents, bank deposits, restricted bank deposits and investments were $1.7 billion. The rate of death this amount is $1 billion.
Speaker 4: This quarter, we generated $111.3 million in cash flow from operations.
Speaker 4: AR&T increased its order to $905.1 million compared to $785.3 million last quarter. As of December 31, our inventory level net of reserve was at $729.2 million last quarter.
Speaker 4: compared to $561.4 million in the prior quarter, mainly a result of a higher level of battery raw materials, some of which are related to the ramp of our Stella 2 factory.
Speaker 4: Let's move to summarize the full year 2022. Revenues for the year were a record $3.11 billion, a 58% increase from $1.96 billion in calendar year 2021. Revenues related to the solar segment were a record $3.11 billion, a 58% increase from $1.96 billion in calendar year 2021.
Speaker 4: $2.92 billion, a 63% increase compared to 2021. Gap gross margin was 27.2% compared to 32 in the prior year. Non-gap gross margin was 28.2% compared to 33.5% in the previous year.
Speaker 4: percent in the prior year. Government income for 2022 was $93.8 million, a 45 percent decrease compared to $169.2 million in the prior year and got diluted EPS of $1.65 compared to $3.06.
Speaker 4: diluted EPS of $5.95 compared to $4.81 in the prior quarter.
Speaker 4: This year, we generated $31.3 million of cash flow in operations.
Speaker 4: Turning to our guidance for the first quarter of 2023.
Speaker 4: We're guiding revenues to be within the range of $915 to $945 million. We expect non-GAAP growth margins to be within the range of 28 to 31 percent. We expect our non-GAAP operating profit to be within the range of $150 to $170 million. Reactions from our solar segment are expected to be within the range of $875 to $945 million.
Speaker 4: to $905 million. Gross margin from the solar segment is expected to be within the range of 31 to 34%.
Speaker 2: I will now turn the call over to the operator to open it up for questions. Operator, please. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the star and 1 on your touchtone phone. You may withdraw your question at any time by pressing the pound key. And we'll take our first question from Julian Demillian Smith with Bank of America.
Speaker 5: or other incentive schemes, there are some moving pieces there as well as I think you mentioned sort of, you know, installer constraints as far as their availability, you know, to install these things being a governor on growth. What do you expect for European growth here in 2023 with sort of the moving pieces that I'm referencing here? Well, I think that what we need to add to the factor that you mentioned is that...
Speaker 4: percent growth year over year. We feel comfortable still with this kind of a guidance and we'll try to do everything in our capabilities. So many factors and actually exceed this number but other than this, we do not give any annual numbers.
Speaker 5: Got it. And then just one on margins. Just curious, we look at the 1-2 guide, seems like there's a pretty big gap between non-gap solar only and the non-gap consolidated. Wondering if you can clarify kind of what the drag is there and the magnitude, as well as if you can sort of clarify, you know, what are battery margins in the residue.
Speaker 4: in the first half of 2023 is that our non-solar margins reflect expenses related to the ramp-up of the Cela II factory. We need to understand that when we're ramping this kind of what we call process factory, which is a little bit different than discrete manufacturing, at the very beginning the amount or yield.
Speaker 4: of product that is coming out of the production line is relatively small and it is actually increasing over time once you're stabilizing the process. And by the way, once you've stabilized the process, the yield is usually very consistent. That actually means that throughout this process we are...
Speaker 4: throwing away a lot of materials until we are stabilizing the process. So I think that what you saw in Q4 and as you mentioned also in our guidance for Q1 is pretty much reflecting this. We also see a little bit of variance in our immobility division.
Speaker 4: related to the type of powertrain units that we're providing to Stellanis, and it is mostly related to what is the portion of batteries that exist in this one. In general, the bigger the battery component is, the lower is the margin, and there's a little bit of moving pieces. I would say that in the non-solar...
Speaker 4: business, the driving factor for margins, at least in the next two quarters, will actually be sellative. When it comes to the batteries, gross margins on residential batteries that are reported as part of our solar segment, not as the non-solar segment, in this case we said that our target margin is to get to about 25%, and actually the 15% was in Q3 2022.
Speaker 4: And we're actually getting closer and closer to the 25% that we have basically targeted for. And I assume that we will get to it this year. Thanks, I'll take the rest offline.
Speaker 2: And we'll take our next question from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Speaker 2: And we'll take our next question from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Speaker 6: Hey everyone, this is Miguel on for Brian . First question is, now that you've got sell it to up and running, you mentioned sell it to as a thousand basis points of higher margin than Samsung SDI. So the two questions here, how should we think about the...
Speaker 4: of batteries that are going into our RSS, residential batteries. One is Samsung and the other one is a player that we cannot disclose. And as I've mentioned, I think in the past, we are going to see situation where we're going to have a combination of at least cell to cells and maybe one of the others that will encrypt some of the mutants also.
Speaker 4: usually making a battery on a different cell requires the development of a whole new battery, which is a little bit different and this is a process that our R&D in the solar segment is going through this year. In general, the way that we see it is that we will start to see cella 2 based batteries
Speaker 4: arriving to the market in late 2023, and that means that until that time, we will basically continue to have both Samsung and the other players' battery coming. And that means that also the gross margin improvement that we expect to see one of the two coming will happen towards the end of the year.
Speaker 4: There is one last thing that's important also to mention, and this is actually what is going to be the price environment, because gross margin is always a combination of the cost, but also the selling price, and we believe that, you know, as we said in the past, battery prices at a certain time will have to be adjusted most likely downwards over time. So I think that, again, when we're looking at gross margins for batteries,
Speaker 4: solar batteries for the long term, we should look at the 25% target where even once you will have two batteries, maybe we together, by the way, with competition that we see out there, we'll have to adjust the prices down.
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks. I appreciate all that color. And then the last question for me, and I'll pass it on. The gross margin target long-term of, I think, 29 to 31% as outlined in the analyst day, you guys are already ahead of that long-term target. So what are the puts and takes on where margins could get to in 2023 given...
Speaker 6: What we think is presumably more upside from freight cost savings and also battery margins improving. Just hoping if you could walk us through that as well. Thanks. So I think here the main factor is going to be actually the mix of batteries within the overall product mix. In general, all of the phenomena that you have mentioned together by the way as said in my prepared remarks.
Speaker 4: that we have not yet fully, I would say, enjoyed all of the benefits that we can get from lowering shipment expenses as percentage of revenues are due to continue to come in Q1 and to a higher extent in Q2 once the impact of Chinese New Year and additional manufacturing capacity will come online. At this same note, this is also the time when we expect to start to see batteries.
Speaker 4: But here again, all of the improvements will simply be offset by the bigger amount of batteries. The one thing to add to your question, though, is that we do expect to see continued improvement on the operating profit because while batteries are usually carrying lower gross margins, they also carry much better operating profit because of the fact that they require much less vs each other here.
Speaker 6: the overall business as we will see more batteries in the mix. Okay, great.
Speaker 6: as we will see more batteries in the mix. Okay, great. Thank you. I'll pass it on.
Speaker 6: And we'll move next to Philip shin with Roth capital partner. Your line is open Everyone, thanks for taking my questions Zevia I think you talked about Europe being up 89% year-over-year in 22 Our checks with multiple large EU distributors suggest that their inverter growth in 23 is Expected to be 50 to 60 percent year-over-year
Speaker 6: I know you just talked about how you can't quantify the 23 outlook for Europe , but was wondering if you could talk through, you know, the trends you might be seeing by quarter. Are you seeing any signs of a slowdown? You know, for example, do you expect the back half growth to be you know a little bit weaker versus the first half or maybe just compare the two. Do you see strength in the back half? Perhaps you see that as well.
Speaker 6: But ultimately, you know, what is it that you see that you might be able to From a forward-looking standpoint and leading indicator standpoint that might give you confidence in that path. Thanks I think is also indicated by one end to a large extent our
Speaker 4: 2023 in Europe will be similar to the condition we were in in 2022, which is more dependent on our ability to produce the volumes than the demand. I can give you an indicator, which is true for the company as a whole, but is most pronounced in Europe , that our current backlog for 2023 is well above what we delivered in 2022. of the year.
Speaker 4: that the market is needing right now in ramping our three-phase solutions, the market is still moving a little bit faster than we are able to ramp production, and that's where we are focused. And as I said, I think that that will be the determining factor on the final growth rate year over year from 2022 to 2023.
Speaker 6: giving guidance, but qualitatively, can you talk through that? And could your megawatts be flattered down year over year in the U.S.? Are we at that situation with states, or do you think there's definitely some growth on the table? And then, perhaps if we can talk about the shared dynamics.
Speaker 6: in the U.S. within phase? You know, is it stable or have you seen any recent changes in acceleration of change? Thanks. Yeah, so I'll try and hit on all of them. First of all, the recent softening that I mentioned through the U.S. is on residential commercial.
Speaker 4: We're seeing still strong demand and anticipating meaningful growth. On residential, I wouldn't speculate right now as I discussed, it's a combination of the interest rates and M3.
Speaker 4: reflecting residential across the United States. And I think the recovery will be a function of stabilizing the demand once everyone understands the implications of NEM 3.0's and gets it up for them properly in terms of offering and uh...
Speaker 4: from other areas in terms of when things will begin to pick up at a higher rate, but with the predictability of the ITC post-IRA and the attractiveness for solar installations, Do you hear me h Xavier
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks for all the call.
Speaker 7: And we'll move next to Mark Strauss with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Yes, thanks for taking our questions. I wanted to start with one on C&I visibility. I think at the analyst day last March, you talked about five and a half gigawatts that was in your backlog at that time.
Speaker 7: Can you provide an update on that as well as kind of your ability to or what percentage of that backlog you might be able to deliver on this year? So this is good memory, Mark. Our currency and I backlog is more than double that it was in the beginning of 2020.
Speaker 4: described in the prepared remarks in terms of the overall market environment and the adoption rate of our solution and the completeness of the portfolio is really putting us in very good momentum and the backlog and the demand are there and we're focused on
Speaker 7: factors. Is that just planning ahead for whatever comes out of Treasury or is there a potential scenario where you might have both?
Speaker 8: Yeah, there is a potential scenario where we might have those in order to maximize the flexibility and the benefit out of the legislation.
Speaker 7: Okay, got it. That's it for us. Thank you.
Speaker 2: And we'll move next to Corinne Blanchard with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
Speaker 9: Thank you for taking my question. I want to go back on the US manufacturing. Is there any more detail you can provide in terms of the capacity that you're looking at and maybe a little bit more on the timing? And then the second question is on the guidance and which FX rate have you taken into consideration for the market?
Speaker 8: in the third quarter of 2023. And being able to ramp quickly is part of the reason that we're going in the direction of the combination of own and contract manufacturing that I mentioned before.
Speaker 4: In terms of gross margins, since there are many moving parts, at this time I would only say that we guided based on exchange rate that we feel very comfortable right now.
Speaker 2: Thank you. And we'll move to Jordan Levy with Truist. Your line is open. Hey, Ellen. Thanks for taking my question. On the battery attach rate, apologies if this was already answered, but...
Speaker 10: In terms of ramping production of the three phase inverters to keep up with the battery demand, can you just talk about how you see that progressing over the coming quarter?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mentioned that Germany has an example for us. More than 60% of our people installing our free-phase inverter are attaching at least one battery and actually in many cases.
Speaker 8: That is one of the items that I mentioned, answered the earlier questions in terms of our focus to ramp. It will probably take us two to three quarters from now until we are really at the run rate that matches demand and our supply. If that's sufficient because we have a PowerPoint reduction here that I want to see if you take
Speaker 8: If that's the question, that's probably the timeframe towards the third quarter where we will be at the target capacity for manufacturing the three-phase residential backup inverter.
Speaker 10: No, that's great. Thanks so much.
Speaker 10: Oh, that's great. Thanks so much.
Speaker 7: And we'll take our next question from Colin Rush with Oppenheimer. Your line is open. Thanks so much guys. Can you talk a little bit about the cost reduction efforts that you're going through, you know, as things start to loosen up on the supply chain side and you're able to free up some engineers to do some...
Speaker 8: incremental engineering, could you talk a little bit about the plans and cadence around taking costs out of the products? Yeah, I think while the situation is somewhat better in terms of component availability...
Speaker 8: We are still at the point where a significant portion of the R&D resources are still engaged in qualifying multiple vendors for supply of components, not only in order to meet the requirements of the R&D resources, but also in order to meet the requirements of the R&D resources.
Speaker 8: the production capacity and demand, but also to put ourselves in a robust position for the future of having multiple suppliers for various components. That said, we did resume cost reduction R&D activity.
Speaker 8: But I think the majority of the margin improvement that we're expecting this year is still around improvement in logistics areas and things like that. It will take time for R&D-related cost reduction efforts to take effect.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's super helpful. And then, you know, in terms of getting to some of the targeted operating margins, can you talk a little bit around the cadence of the operating leverage that you're expecting as you work through the balance of the year, understanding that you're not guiding for the year, but just want to think about kind of the targeted cadence for...
Speaker 4: for how you realize some of that optimization. So here it's actually mostly related to how fast revenues are growing due to the fact that we have more products sold, and especially batteries. And here, Colin, when a salesperson is going to an account, to a distributor, and selling wanting to your detail, what do you think can make the Ajai
Speaker 4: an inverter and a battery, it's actually the same sales effort as we do, as he does, you know, just going and saying an inverter. And I can tell you that also given the fact that the teams that are working on developing batteries are smaller than the ones working to develop an inverter, it's much smaller because it's a little bit more.
Speaker 4: effort or thought of how to increase the efficiency other than the fact to simply sell more in each and every sale that we do.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks so much guys. And we'll take our next question from Michael Bloom with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
Speaker 10: Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Sorry to go back to the US manufacturing, but I wanted to ask just one other question on that. Clearly, you have a cautious language on the US residential market heading into 23. I'm just trying to understand how I square that with your plans to add capacity later this year. Are you just...
Speaker 10: Is that implicitly assuming that the US market will recover so you'll need that capacity? And how easy is it to flex that capacity if market weakness persists maybe longer than you expect? So in any case, I think ramping production is the process. And as I mentioned
Speaker 8: increases that you're seeing in many regions. So it's actually in a way we are...
Speaker 8: We are having the time, if you will, of a bit of softness to ramp the factories in advance of what we believe will be long-term strengths of the market. The combined approach that I mentioned is aimed to be able to give us flexibility among other things, also for fluctuations in the market.
Speaker 8: term, mid and long term outlook for the market is positive and we're building the capacity in order to meet it with domestic manufactured products and not only in the residential segment obviously. The commercial segment is a very strong segment for us in the United States and we expect that one to grow as well.
Speaker 8: And we are building capability to supply domestic product for that segment as well.
Speaker 8: And we are building capability to supply domestic products for that segment as well. Thanks so much. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And we'll move next to Steve Fleischman with Wolf Research. Your line is open. Yeah, hi, thank you. I think on the last call you mentioned the potential that you're hopeful to get.
Speaker 11: full 11 cent per watt credit in IRA for mix of inverters and optimizers. Could you give us any update on your views on what level of credit you're likely to be able to get?
Speaker 8: So we are still optimistic and our plans take that into account, but obviously we are waiting for the official guidance and ruling to come out of Treasury on this topic.
Speaker 12: Fair enough. Thank you.
Speaker 2: And we'll move next to Kashi Harrison with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Speaker 8: Good afternoon, thanks for taking the questions. First one is on guidance. It looks like solar gross margins are flat in one queue versus four queue despite much more favorable effects in one queue. Can you just help us bridge why solar gross margins are flat despite FX tailwinds? And then I have a follow-up question. So here, Cassie, the main reason why solar gross margins are flat is because they are
Speaker 4: come back and see more sales into Europe , and these are sales that are usually characterized with higher portion of commercial products that are yielding lower gross margins compared to residential products. The combination of two that are related to the MIPS are the driver of this, I would call it more cautious.
gross margin guidance that we gave. Thanks for the call there. And then my follow-up question, I just wanted to follow up once again on your cautiousness on US RESI. To the extent that you can, can you give us a sense of how your Q3 RESI megawatt guidance compares to the prior year, your Q1 guidance compares to the prior year, and then maybe provide some color on US channel.
The decline was more significant than in the past, so inventories are higher than they were in the last few quarters. And as I said, from a first glance of what's going on in the beginning of 2023, the sellout is improving.
and exactly when and how it will reach expected levels and drain a little bit of this over inventory. We're not positive. In terms of the expectations for North America residential in the...
in the first quarter relative to last year. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but it's probably in the flattish regime, but we can check later on and provide more specifics. And I would like just to add one more thing, Kasia, and this is the fact that, as mentioned, I think during the school period they'dshe had to think of it with her...
Today we're more limited on our ability to supply rather than the demand that we see. So the backlog that we see in front of us in all regions is the backlog that really allows us to very, I would say, comfortably navigate between various regions. And if we see that, for example, the U.S. market is going to be softer than expected.
of what quantity of products we can actually manufacture and deliver throughout the quarter. So really the deviation between U.S. or Europe is not very much impacting our guidance at this point in time. Got it. Thank you. And we'll move next to Mahib Mandaloy with Credit Suites.
I think that was for you going forward. And we've been that same brother, fix that talk about your new deal with Freedom Forever. That excuse there, is that an indicator of you partnering with the large installers to tap into the station office? I'm gonna answer that.
Yeah, I'm not sure we heard it well, but it was the question referring to the our position within small and large installers in the United States. Oh, that's right. As I certainly have looked at the issue from long list of tests.
Sorry, Mahit, we lost you.
Sorry about that. No, just curious on your mix and small and large installers and especially as we see a move from loans to leases this year. Yes, I think as you know traditionally our position with the large installation companies an
We are also positive about our outlook in North America. And that said, we are still investing a lot of effort in increasing our share also in the long tail. But for a variety of reasons, historically and currently, and we believe in the future, we do have.
strong share and position with large installation companies and Freedom Forever is an example.
gotatchy, OU and then just on freedom at the exclusive and couldasejust provide some more details on that relationshipthank.
It's not exclusive and there are many details but unfortunately I cannot elaborate on them.
Gotcha. No worries. I'll take everything offline. Thank you.
Gotcha. No worries, I'll take everything offline. Thank you.
And we'll take our last question from Joseph Osha with Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead. Hello, hello. I made it. Two quick ones. First, Ronan, you've issued sort of guidance in the past to the effect that each one penny move in the euro is worth about 50 basis points. Is that still? No, it's not the same JA. It's about the same goal.
a fair way of thinking about the business and also, have we seen all of the benefits yet from the sharp Q4 move in the euro? Or is there perhaps some delay there we could see some of that still flowing through in Q1?
So first of all, the number is usually sometimes changing between quarters simply given the mix of Europe versus the United States. I would say that the right way to look at it is to look at a, I would say, a range of 40 to 50 bits.
for every dollar sent against the Euro. And again, usually you see that Q4 is tending to be a little bit more U.S. printed than the usual. So 40 to 50 is the right number.
When it comes to the overall exchange rate, actually, we saw a lower exchange rate.
Sorry, lower average exchange rate during Q4 compared to what we see today, because when we have guided for the last quarter and that was already about a month into the quarter it was about $1 per 1 euro and then the dollar jumped against the US.
now flowing through the financials in Q1, yes?
This is a correct statement, Ken. Okay, and then just a quick unrelated follow-up. You've written down all of the goodwill in the EV drivetrain business. You're continuing to shift to Stellantis, but are there any plans to continue to invest in that business, or should we think of it more as something that's just kind of being checked?
being run down. I'm curious what the plans are for investing in that business or not.
We are still, we plan to continue and invest in this business and we are engaged with multiple opportunities but as I mentioned and as Ronan reflected in the financial comments, the scale and rate at which we see this evolving is different.
now like to turn it back to C.B. Lando for any closing remarks.
Thank you. Thank you everyone for joining us today. And in summary, we are pleased with the progress we've made this quarter and in 2022 on all operational metrics and are expecting an interesting 2023. Thank you.
This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time and have a wonderful evening.
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