Q4 2022 Geo Group Inc Earnings Call
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Thank you operator. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us for today's discussion of the geo groups fourth quarter in full year 2022 earnings results.
With us today are George Zoli, Executive Chairman of the Board, Jose Gordo, Chief Executive Officer, Brian Evans, Chief Financial Officer, Wayne Calibri, Chief Operating Officer, and James Black President of Geo Secure Services.
This morning we will discuss our fourth quarter and full year results as well as our outlook. We will conclude the call with a question and answer session.
This conference call is also being webcast live on our Investor website at Investors.geogrewp.com.
Today we will discuss the non-got-basis information, a reconciliation from non-got-basis information to gap-basis results is included in the press release and supplemental disclosure we issued this morning.
Additionally, much of the information we will discuss today, including the answers we give in response to your questions, may include forward-looking statements regarding our beliefs and current expectations with respect to various matters.
These forward-looking statements are intended to fall within the safe harbor provisions of the securities laws.
Our actual results may differ materially from those in the forward look in statements as the result of various factors contained at our Securities and Exchange Commission filings.
including the Form 10-K , 10-Q, and 8-K reports.
With that, please allow me to turn this call over to our Executive Chairman, George Zolli. George? Thank you, Pablo, and good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us on our fourth quarter 2022 earnings call.
I would like to begin by welcoming me back Wing Calberies who began serving as chief operating officer in December , a position which he previously held at Geo for over a decade until his retirement in 2010.
I would also like to congratulate Ann Schlarb and David Venturella on their recent retirements. We are grateful for their many years of service to GEO and look forward to their new roles as GEO consultants.
I'm pleased to be joined today by our senior management to review our fourth quarter and year-end financial results. Our initial guidance for 2023 and our continued efforts to reduce our overall debt and reduce our net leverage. City of source community mission.
Our diverse vibe business units delivered strong operating and financial performance throughout the entire year. We are pleased to have achieved one of the highest quarterly revenues in our company's history, which grew 11% from one year ago to approximately $621 million.
along with quarterly gap net income of approximately $42 million.
And our quarterly adjusted EBITDA recently, new all-time high of $145 million growing 17% year over year. We believe the adjusted EBITDA is the most important non-gap metric of profitability for our company since it provides the best measure of the funds.
the doubt growth throughout the entire year despite continuing challenges associated with the COVID-19 pandemic and federal policy changes that primarily impacted our federal bureau of prison's contracts.
We believe that our strong performance has been the result of our multi-year diversification strategy which has allowed us to establish industry leading positions across the whole spectrum of correctional detention and community-based services.
Looking at current trends for each of our segments, our Secure Services Own and Lease Segment is currently comprised primarily of facilities under contract with the U.S. Marshal Service and the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
During the fourth quarter, our active facilities in this segment experience a year-over-year increasing compensated occupancy levels of 3 percentage points to 88 percent of capacity.
With respect to our US Marshal's detention contracts, occupancy rates across these facilities have continued to be stable.
We believe that our U.S. Marshal's facilities provide needed detention bed space and services for pretrial federal defendants and are generally located near federal courthouses in areas where suitable alternatives are typically not available.
During the fourth quarter of 2022, we were notified by the U.S. Marshal Service of the agencies intent to exercise the five-year contract option period for our 768-bed Robert Dayton Facility in Georgia.
which would be effective later this month.
Turning to our ice facilities has been publicly reported occupancy rates across all ice facilities, nationwide decline during the month of December .
Occupancy rates at our ICE facilities are remained at these lower levels during the month of January . However, we recently experienced a 10% increase in occupancy rates in recent weeks.
Also has been widely reported in the media. The future application, Title 42 at the Southwest border, which was first enacted in March of 2020, remains uncertain and subject to several pending legal challenges. But according to some news reports, it may expire on May 11th.
Our outlook for 2023 assumes utilization rates across our ice facilities that are generally consistent with what we experience in 2022. We have otherwise not included any assumptions regarding the lifting of Title 42 in our guidance.
with respect to the Department of Homeland Security's Intense Supervision Parents Program or ISAP.
The number of participants steadily increased throughout 2022, picking up more than 300,000.
Since the beginning of 2023, we've experienced a decline in ISAP participants as a result of recent changes in immigration policies and budgetary pressures.
Presently the number of participants in the program is below.
2009, 290,000.
At this time, our outlook for 2023 provides a range of assumptions with the low end of our guidance reflecting a continued reduction in the number of participants at the ISAP program. In the high end of our guidance reflecting a steady rate.
based on the current level, participant level of approximately 290,000.
We expect to be able to tighten our guidance range as the year progresses.
With respect to the federal budget, in late December , the U.S. Congress passed the Omnibus Appropriations Bill funding federal government through September 30, 2023.
Under the Ammi-Mil-Sville approved by Congress, ICE is funded for 34,000 detention beds, same as the previous year.
Moving to our managed only business which is primarily comprised of state level correctional facilities. We initialise moving into the next multialled and operated centre because of buffetucking and
Occupancy rates in our managed only facilities remain relatively unchanged at 96% of capacity in the fourth quarter of 2022.
Turning to our residential reentry centers, which were significantly impacted by the COVID pandemic, as governmental agencies opted for non-residential alternatives, including furloughs, home confinement, and day reporting programs.
as a result of these actions.
occupancy rates in our resident residential reentry segment remains well below historic levels.
On the other hand, our non-residential day reporting programs continue to grow during this quarter with compensated participant days increasing by approximately 26% year over year.
The strong performance throughout the year by our diversified business units allowed us to make substantial progress towards our goal of reducing overall debt and net leverage.
We closed 2022 with net debt of approximately $1.975 billion and net leverage of approximately 3.7 times adjusted EBITDA.
We have previously noted our goal is to continue to focus on reducing our debt each year by approximately 175 to 200 million dollars.
Doing so would allow us to achieve net leverage below 3.5 times the adjusted EBITDA by the end of 2023. Despite our net interest expense, taking at over $200 million for this year.
Achieving that we hope to reduce death by another $175 million to $200 million.
and reach net leverage below three times of just the EBITDAB by the end of 2024, assuming annual net interest expense of approximately $175 million.
We are hopeful that net interest expense is reduced by $25 million in 2024 and each successive year due to the reduction in debt.
By 2024, we are also hopeful that interest rates will have declined to an environment that will allow for the refinancing of portions of our debt further reducing our net interest
Once we achieve our stated debt and leverage reduction goals, we expect to explore options to return capital to our shareholders.
We remain optimistic that all these efforts have the potential to unlock additional equity value for our shareholders.
Given our strong adjusted EBITDA in the step substantial reduction in our net leverage, we believe that our current stock price represents an attractive valuation with our enterprise value EBITDA multiple currently.
below our peer group and other comparable diversified services companies.
At this time, I'll turn the call over to Brian Evans to address our financial results and guidance in more detail.
Thank you George. Good morning everyone. For the fourth quarter of 2022 we reported gap net income attributable to geo of approximately 42 million dollars on quarterly revenues of approximately 621 million dollars.
Our adjusted EBITDAF for the fourth quarter 2022 increased by 17% to approximately $145 million, which is an all-time high and quarterly adjusted EBITDAF for our company.
Our financial results were driven by growth in our electronic monitoring and supervision segment and increased and compensated mandates in our non-residential reentry business.
Our strong performance throughout 2022 allows us, allowed us to make substantial progress towards reducing our debt and net leverage.
As of year in 2022, we had $1.975 billion in net debt, and our net leverage was approximately 3.7 times adjusted to EBITDA.
We have been focused on reducing our debt for the last three years, and we believe that our efforts have placed GEO in a materially stronger financial position.
In 2022, we completed a series of comprehensive transactions that staggered our debt maturities over a longer period of time and significantly reduced our debt maturities prior to 2026.
Going forward, as George noted, we expect to continue to focus on reducing our net debt with the objective of decreasing our net debt leverage to below three and a half times adjusted EBITDA by the end of this year and to below three times adjusted EBITDA by the end of 2024.
Also, as noted, after achieving our stated leverage targets, our hope is to be able to explore options to return capital to our shareholders and unlock additional equity value. Moving to our initial financial guidance for 2023, we expect full-year 2023 net income attributable to geo.
to be between $100 million and $127 million on annual revenues of approximately $2.37 billion to $2.47 billion.
Our GAP Net Income Guidance for 2023 reflects an expected increase in our net interest expense of approximately $67 million due to rising interest rates and the debt restructuring transactions we completed in August of 2022.
We expect our 4-year 2023 adjusted EVDA to be between $500,540 million dollars.
As George noted, since the beginning of 2023, we have experienced a decline in ISAF participants, and presently the number of participants in the program is below 290,000.
Our full year 2023 guidance provides a range of assumptions for our electronic monitoring and supervision services segment, with the low end of our guidance reflecting a continued reduction in the number of participants in the ISAP program and the high end of our guidance reflecting a steady rate based on the current participant level.
We expect to be able to tighten our guidance range as the year progresses.
Our full year guidance also reflects no assumption for the potential reactivation of our idle facilities, which total approximately 11,000 secure services beds and 2,000 re-entry beds.
Our full year 2023 guidance also reflects higher labor, medical, and food expenses due to continued inflationary trends.
Additionally, our contracts from time to time are normally renegotiated to reflect changing circumstances which can result in higher pre-dm rates to support higher wages and other expenses.
Or in other cases, contract changes may result in lower per DM rates to reflect reductions in the scope of services or staffing levels.
Our 2023 guidance includes several such expected changes taken into account.
We expect our effective tax rate for the full year to be approximately 28% exclusive of any discrete items.
For the first quarter of 2023, we expect net income attributable to geodes to be between $26 million and $28 million on quarterly revenues of $605 to $610 million.
And we expect our first quarter 2023 adjusted EBITDA to be in a range of 127 million and 132 million dollars.
Compared to 4th quarter 2022 results, our 1st quarter 23 guidance reflects the impact of having.
Two fewer days in the quarter representing approximately $14 million in revenue and $3 million in EBITDA.
Additionally, as we have previously addressed.
Our first quarter of the year is impacted by seasonality related to payroll taxes, which are front loaded in the beginning of each year and have an impact of approximately $7 million to the bottom line.
Our first quarter 2023 guidance also reflects our assumptions related to higher interest expense, due to rising interest rates, and higher labor, medical, and food expenses due to continued inflationary trends.
Finally, as George mentioned, ICE populations nationwide declined during the month of December and remained at those lower levels during the month of January before beginning to increase in recent weeks.
At this time. I'll turn the call over to James Black for a review of our geosecure services segment.
Thank you, Brian . Good morning, everyone. It is my pleasure to provide an update on Geos to Ciere services.
During the fourth quarter of 2022, our employees and facilities achieved several important milestones.
Our facility successfully underwent 56 audits, including internal audits, government reviews, and third-party accreditations.
Four of our secure services facilities have received accreditation from the American Correction Association during the fourth quarter with an average score of 99.4%.
Our GTI Transportation Division safely completed approximately 4.1 million miles driven in the United States and overseas during the fourth quarter of 2022.
We are proud of the dedication and professionalism of our employees in their commitment to achieving operational excellence which underpin these important milestones.
With respect to the trends for our government agency partners at the federal level, populations at U.S. Marshall's detention facilities have remained stable.
The US Marshals provides custodial services for pre-trial detainees facing federal criminal proceedings.
As we noted last year, our 770-bed San Diego facility for the U.S. Marshall Service received the contract extension through September 30, 2023.
We have two other direct contracts with the US Marshall Service in Georgia and Texas, with current option periods that run through February 23, 2023 and September 2023 respectively.
In December , we were notified by the US Marshal Service of the Agency's intention to exercise the five-year contract option period for our 768-bed Robert Deaton Facility in Georgia, which would begin later this month.
We remain optimistic regarding the continued utilization of all these important facilities, which, as previously noted, provide needed bed space and services near federal courthouses, where there is generally a lack of suitable alternative detention capacity.
With respect to the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, as previously noted, our ICE facilities experienced the decline in populations during the month of December .
While ice detention populations remained at those lower levels during the month of January , we recently experienced a 10% occupancy rate increase in recent weeks.
With respect to the current funding levels for the agency, I suspended again for 34,000 detention beds under the Amnesty Bill, Appropriations Bill, which funds the federal government through September 30, 2023.
As has been widely reported,
COVID-related restrictions, first implemented in March of 2020 under Title 42, remain in place at the Southwest border, and the future of these restrictions remains uncertain due to several pending legal challenges.
But according to some news reports it makes it expire on May 11th.
At this time, we have not included any assumptions in our guidance related to the potential timing or impact of Title 42 restrictions being lifted.
As a longstanding service provider to ICE, our focus remains on providing high quality support services to our facility and being prepared to respond to our government agency partners needs.
The ICE Processing Centers, where we provide support services, offer 24-7 access to quality health care, access to legal counsel.
Culturally sensitive meals approved by registered dietitians.
access to faith-based and religious opportunities, and enhanced amenities including artificial turf soccer fields, covered pavilions, exercise equipment, multi-purpose rooms, legal and leisure libraries and other amenities.
Our ICE Processing Centers help fulfill an important mission of our government agency partner with special purpose-built facilities, amenities and services, and key geographical areas of the country, where suitable alternatives are not often available.
Moving to our state government agency partners. During the fourth quarter we entered into two contract renewals in Arizona.
In October , we signed a five-year contract renewal for our 750-bit Florence West Correctional and Rehabilitation Facility.
And in December , we signed a two-year contract renewal for the 3,400-bed Kingman Correctional and Rehabilitation Facility.
These two important facilities deliver high quality support services on behalf of the Arizona Department of Corrections.
including enhanced rehabilitation programs and post-release services under our Geo Continuum of Care.
Internationally, we entered into a contract with the State of Victoria for the delivery of primary health services across 13 public prisons.
This new contract will commence on July 1, 2023 and is expected to generate approximately $33 million in incremental annualized revenues.
Finally, we are focused on marketing our current idle facilities, which total approximately 11,000 beds to government agencies at the federal and state level, and we hope to be able to reactivate, lease, or sell these important assets in the future.
In addition to opportunities at the federal level, we are monitoring trends at the state level as several state government agencies may consider initiatives which could involve the use of purchased or contractor-owned facilities to address challenges presented by older present infrastructure and staff and shortages.
At this time, I will turn the call over to Wayne Calibre's for review of GeoCare.
Thank you James. Good morning everyone. I'm pleased to provide an update on our GeoCare Business Unit.
Starting with our reentry services segment, our residential centers continue to operate below historical occupancy rates and in 2022 at approximately 55% of capacity.
As we have previously discussed, our residential reentry centers were impacted by the COVID pandemic as government agencies prioritized non-residential alternatives, including furloughs, home confinement, day reporting, and electronic monitoring programs.
Despite these challenges, we have continued to successfully renew our existing contracts.
And we are hopeful that trends in occupancy rates will continue to improve.
During the fourth quarter, we renewed five residential reentry contracts, including four contracts with the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Additionally, 6 of our residential reentry centers received accreditation from the American Correctional Association during the 4th quarter with an average score of 99.8 percent, and three of the centers received perfect accreditation scores of 100 percent.
Looking at our non-residential programs and services, we continue to experience strong growth during the fourth quarter.
Compensated participant days for our non-residential day reporting centers increased by 26% year-over-year.
Our non-residential programs provide high-quality community-based services, including cognitive behavioral treatment, supporting up to 8,500 parolees and probationers at 90 locations across 10 different states.
Our electronic monitoring and supervision segment also continued to deliver strong revenue growth.
Our quarterly revenue in this important segment increased to almost $150 million during the fourth quarter.
Our BI subsidiary provides a full suite of electronic monitoring and supervision solutions, products and technologies on behalf of federal, state, and local agencies across the country. At the federal level, BI provides technology solutions, holistic case management,
supervision, monitoring and compliance services under the ISAP program on behalf of ICE and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
BI has been the incumbent service provider to ICE in the United States government for close to 20 years. And we are currently delivering these comprehensive services under a five-year contract effective through July of 2025.
Under BI's tenure, the program has achieved high levels of compliance for participants, going through the immigration review process underpinned by our partnership with ICE and BI's ability to continually innovate.
As a result of this success, the program has grown steadily through the years, and this growth accelerated during 2022 when the program ended the year peaking at more than 300,000 monitored individuals.
As previously noted, participant levels in the program have recently declined and are presently under $290,000 as a result of recent changes in immigration policies and budgetary pressures.
Turning to our GL Continuum of Care and in-Prison Programs division, our employees have continued to deliver enhanced in-Custody Rehabilitation, reentry programming and post-release support services to an average daily population of approximately 31,500 participants.
In 2022, we completed approximately three and a half million hours of enhanced rehabilitation programming.
Our Academic Programs awarded close to 2400 GEDs and high school equivalency degrees, and our Vocational Course has awarded approximately 8,100 Vocational Training Certifications.
Our substance abuse treatment programs awarded approximately 7,300 program completions and we achieved almost 40,000 behavioral program completions and over 34,000 individual cognitive behavioral treatment sessions.
Importantly, we also provided post-release support services to more than 2,500 individuals returning to their communities.
Our geocontinuum of care integrates enhanced in custody rehabilitation, including cognitive behavioral treatment with post-release support services that address community needs of released individuals, including housing, food, clothing, transportation, and employment assistance.
During the fourth quarter of 2022, our Post-Release Support Services allocated over $300,000 to support individuals released from geophasilities as they return to their communities.
This funding brings the total spending on post-relief expenses to approximately $8 million since we began providing support grants for released individuals in 2016 to assist them with their community needs.
We believe that the scope and the substance of our Geo Continuum of Care program is unparalleled in criminal justice.
Our award-winning program provides a proven model on how 2.2 million people in the United States criminal justice system can be better served in changing their lives.
All the important milestones achieved by our GeoCare segments during 2022 are the direct results of the daily commitment to operational excellence by our frontline employees guided by our GeoCare management team. We're very grateful for their continued dedication and their professionalism.
And at this time I'll turn the call over to Jose Gordo for his closing remarks.
Thank you, Wayne. Our business unit delivered strong financial results during the fourth quarter of 2022 and throughout the entire year.
We believe our performance is underpinned by our diversification strategy, which has allowed Geo to build industry leading positions in all key segments of the correctional, detention, and community-based services spectrum.
Our cash flows are supported by valuable company-owned real estate assets and diversified business units in tailing essential government services.
ranging from secure residential care to community-based and technology solutions.
Our diversified service lines are complementary to one another and help us achieve strong growth at a time when our business was facing pandemic and policy-related challenges.
We believe that our diversification sets Geo apart in our industry and has been a distinct value creator for our shareholders.
We recognize that our company's success is supported by the dedication and commitment of our approximately 18,000 employees worldwide.
We are proud of the milestones to achieve our employees, facilities and programs during 2022.
These accomplishments exemplify our organizational commitment to operational excellence across all service lines.
We are also proud to have achieved one of the highest quarterly top line revenues and highest quarterly adjusted EBIDA in our company's history.
which we believe is the most important non-GAAP metric of profitability for our company.
Adjusted EBITDA provides the best measure of the fundamentals driving our operating performance before the impact of non-cash expenses and fluctuations in interest rates.
Our strong results have allowed us to make substantial progress toward de-leveraging our balance sheet.
Over the past three years, our management team has executed a discipline strategy to reduce our level of indebtedness.
which when coupled with our growth has significantly decreased our net leverage.
A cornerstone of our strategy was the completion of the comprehensive debt transactions in August 2022, which staggered our debt maturities over a longer period of time and significantly reduced our near-term maturities.
As a result of these efforts, we closed 2022 with total net debt of $1.975 billion. Net leverage of 3.7 times adjusted EBITDA.
and no significant debt maturities do before 2026.
We expect to continue to focus on reducing our net debt and our net leverage, and after attaining our debt reduction in its objectives, we hope to be able to explore options to return capital to shareholders.
With our strong adjusted EBIDA and the substantial reduction in our net leverage, we believe that our current enterprise value to EBIDA multiple offers an attractive equity valuation when compared to similar diversified services companies.
That completes our remarks and we will be glad to take questions.
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Our first question will come from Joe Gomez with Noble Capital. You may now go ahead.
Good morning, congratulations on the quarter.
on the quarter. The kids.
So, I want to start off with talking on the electronic monitoring or ISAP program and you mentioned about your assumptions for the year. And how low are you assuming numbers might go for the low end of your guidance? And...
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Funding this year is approximately the same funding as it was last year.
And it's the nonetheless a grew by the program receiving additional funding from other parts of the Department of Homeland Security. And that's been the case even within the detention area.
You know, the agency itself, Department of Homeland Security is made of many divisions and those divisions, you know, exchange funding amounts as their needs change. And that has been the case within the ICE detention.
arena as well as the ISAP program. Okay, thank you for that. And if we're talking about the detention band, the ICE populations.
Obviously, we all saw the decline, you know, through January . It sounds like they've started to pick up again for you. I guess how close are you to the guaranteed minimum levels? Is there a way to kind of conceptualize how much more ice populations have to increase before you hit?
the guaranteed minimum levels in your contracts.
Well, starting back at your previous statement, there was a reduction in the number of beds, I think, starting in November in preparation for the anticipated expiration of Title 42. So there was an intentional reduction in the number of beds that were being used in the
decline in reducing the number of beds to make addition.
to make capacity available for what was anticipated as a surge.
in December . That surge did not take place.
in December , that surge did not take place. And, you know,
Normally December and January are these seasonal, lower months of detention capacity because of weather. That's been the case for the last several decades. And as I said in our prepared comments today.
that by our daily census, you know, over the last few weeks, we've seen a 10% increase in our detention, ice detention capacity.
Right, understand all that, but is there any way to kind of conceptualize how much more it needs to increase before you hit the guaranteed minimum levels in your contract?
Right, understand all that, but is there any way to kind of conceptualize how much more it needs to increase before you hit the guaranteed minimum levels in your contracts?
Meet or exceed, you know, a guaranteed minimum means we're being paid at the minimum. So I think your question may be when do we exceed that? You know, we, and it's kind of across the board in some locations, we exceeded already. And now there's about a load those.s
Okay. Fair enough. I appreciate that insight. Thank you. And one of the key topics that your competitor talked about is pre-staffing. And one of the key topics that you have been talking about is pre-staffing.
in anticipation of ice populations increasing. And I was just wondering, you know, how was geoposition or staffing, you know, assuming Title 42, finally is eliminated.
If we see a fairly significant increase in ice populations, do you have the staffing in place to handle such a increase in populations?
Thank you. This is James Black. Yes, we remain at a certain staffing percentage throughout the year and we're prepared to have enough staff available for the minimum guarantee and above. So we're fine in that area.
Great, that's great news. One last one, if I may, you briefly mentioned the Australia Health Services contract that you won. Congratulations on that. Maybe you get a little more color on that as to what kind of services you're going to be providing.
services contract for a number of facilities in Australia. In the state of Victoria.
We were originally an incumbent in providing such services some time ago.
just prior before we turned into a REIT. As a real estate investment trust, we were prohibited from providing healthcare services.
So, that contract was awarded to a third party when we became a re- We have since de-reached and that we are now permitted to bid on healthcare opportunities, mental healthcare opportunities.
So this was the first such opportunity that we sought out and we were successful. And yes, we will be looking at other such opportunities in the future because we no longer have the restrictions of prohibition against providing health care services to
third parties. Okay, great. Thanks again. Congrats on the quarter. Looking forward to seeing how 2023 unfolds. Thank you.
Our next question will come from Jay McCanless with Wedbush Securities.
Our next question will come from Jay, Mick Canless with Wet Bush Securities. You may now go ahead.
Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one, could you talk about how the ISAP populations trended through the fourth quarter and what kind of correlations you've seen between the ISAP populations and what we thought was going to be the end of Title 42 in December ? Okay, thank you very much for listening and I gonna wrap it up here.
You know, it actually trended up in the fourth quarter, peaking over 300,000.
And then, you know, at the end of the year started coming down. And as I've said, you were presently at about 290,000.
So it was trending up to a historic level and now we're below that historic level at 290.
Okay. And then besides Title 42, what are the biggest factors impacting ISAP populations in your opinion that could sway guidance from one end of the range to the other?
Maybe the general one is
they
The perception or misperception about the program itself.
The success rate in participants attending their court hearings is kind of extraordinary. It's in excess of 95 percent while there are participants in the program.
And typically that program participation time period is between three and four months, maybe as much as six months.
It's only there after once they're taking off the program that the participation level is as to
returning to their court hearings dropped substantially. So while they're in the program, there's substantial compliance in attending court, their court hearing when required. When they're out of the program, there's substantial noncompliance.
in the program. So as long as they're in the program, they're doing very well. And the program is very successful in that respect.
Okay, I just I was wondering though some of the budgetary pressures that you talked about in the press release today is I guess what or besides Title 42, what are some of these other budgetary pressures we need to be monitoring.
Well.
I think the new leadership in the House is looking for areas of cost savings that the agency itself, DHS, is...
Your realigning is budgetary.
programs for different divisions along the lines of its overall allocation for DHS.
So, you know, there's pressures on whether there's enough money for securing the border, detention capacity, the ISAP program, which is an alternative to detention.
So there has to be a balance between the funding for detention and for the funding for alternatives to detention. And those are political considerations that I think have yet to be finally ironed out and we're awaiting the outcome of it.
Okay, all right, that makes more sense. Thank you. And then the electronic monitoring segment has seen strong margins historically, which is driven margins for their overall business higher over the past couple of years. I guess given the outlook for ISAP, could you speak to your ability to hold electronic margins where they are?
or potentially even expanding those margins going forward? Well, I think we're going to be looking for cost economies in...
technology that underpins the program itself. So yes, we will. We're mindful of the pressures on the program and potential funding and we have some ideas on how to deal with those issues in achieving cost economies in the program.
And then the last question for us.
There seems to be a high amount of hesitancy about what May 11th actually means for me guys as well as from your competitor. I guess maybe could you frame both sides of the argument that says Title 42 will be rescinded on May 11th versus not being rescinded?
We really don't know the outcome as to
If it will be resunded or not resunded.
It hasn't made a difference to us yet.
And I think it's still within political...
Discussion asked to what it means. I don't think that has been resolved. You have a house that wants a secure border and you have killed.
that's been used as a means to control access to the border and those two things have not been resolved yet.
Okay, great. Thank you. Appreciate all the time. Thank you.
Our next question will come from Mitra Ramkopal with Sdoti. You may now go ahead. Yes, hi. Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. First, if you could maybe touch, you referenced the continuing inflationary trends and the jet.
just curious in terms of your ability to mitigate the higher labor medical and food costs you're seeing. In our state facilities, well, let me begin, at the federal level we have not.
incurred any difficulties with regarding labor costs which represent 60% or more of our overall costs in providing capacity for our federal customers. At the state level, we've had very good cooperation with our state clients regarding the needed increased cost.
in compensation for correctional officers, medical staff, and administrative staff as well. So one by one, we've been able to get significant improvements in our funding to
deal with those issues of increasing wages for the staff in the floor staff, the medical staff, as well as the administrative staff.
So, I think in general we've been successful across the board with our state clients and deal with those issues.
Okay, thanks. And as I look at them.
CapEx for tech spending. Is that pretty much really intended for the BI subsidiary and driving growth and some of the cost economies you're talking about?
This is Brian , yeah, that's all related to the electronic monitoring units, so we want to break that out separately from the rest of the CAPEX for the secure services.
reentry businesses. And that's something we should see at the very early stages in the Simulta year strategy in terms of the spend there.
Well, I think it's pretty consistent over the last couple of years and it's consistent as I'd say percentage of their revenue over time.
They have tens of thousands of units in service to maintain those units, replace units, develop new technologies, stay on the cutting edge of the services that they're providing. So I think it's a pretty consistent number. There are a couple of questions.
projects that are ongoing that are one off that are part of that so it may come down some in the future years is some of those projects are completed.
Okay, thanks.
I think you mentioned in terms of the 2023 guidance, your assumptions in terms of potential reactivation of currently idle facilities. I was just wondering what the strategy is in terms of how long you're prepared to carry some facilities as opposed to maybe considering an asset sale.
if you're not able to get it filled after a period of time.
Well, we are in discussions with some governmental agencies regarding
a few of our facilities, others we continue to hold and seek out operating agreements for those facilities.
and we've been successful in the past and doing so.
And I think some of the smaller facilities we've been able to successfully sell as well. And so we're not, it's not mutually exclusive to any of the facilities. I think as George is...
Pointing out though, with the larger facilities, our preference is to continue to try to reactivate them, and we've had pretty good success with that over time.
Okay, thanks. And then finally, that was a nice contract announcement in terms of Geo Australia. I'm just wondering in terms of potential additional opportunities in Australia, maybe even beyond as you look to maybe go more on the international front.
Yeah, out there. There are other opportunities that are available throughout the country in healthcare.
It's not a major business objective at this time, but we have the full capabilities of entering that market given that we have our own healthcare division within the company that provides all the healthcare services for all the geofacilities.
And then prior to being in the re we were in the healthcare business so we have that expertise.
Right, and I take it again at this point no plans in terms of going beyond South Africa and Australia and the international.
We're looking at opportunities.
at this time, but it's not the most active business part of our objectives.
Right, okay.
Thanks again for taking the questions.
Thank you.
Our next question will come from Kirk. Let key with Imperial capital. You may now go ahead. Hello everyone. Thank you for the call. Just back to ICEP. Just for a second. Is it safe to say that...
DHS is saving its budget in case there's a surge at the border.
Well, we really can't speak for DHS and...
We have very little insight to their budgeting.
Even to their policy decisions, we only know about them after their publicly released.
So, I really can't speak to. Okay, I get it. But that might be what's happening.
They may be anticipating the other.
the long awaited surge at the border, particularly as the
temperature grows warmer and it is the summer months when the most people come across the border historically. You know we've been doing this for four decades.
And the lowest month of migration across the border is in December and January . It's those two particular months. And the highest month of for activity is the summer months.
temperature warms. Got it. I appreciate it. Thank you. That's helpful. And you did mention the...
the success of the program
Why would someone leave the ICEP program before their final hearing? And who decides that?
We do not decide that. That's decided by ICE personnel.
Okay, got it. Just a follow up on the Marshall's contract. Congratulations on Robert Dayton.
That's a nice extension. Was that, is that now structured as an IGA, or how did that happen?
Is that now structured as an IGA or how did that happen?
No, that's a direct contract and that's why it was under the auspices of the presidential executive order regarding possible defunding of such direct contracts with the Marshall's office and private entities.
So we are gaining, I guess, a special approval given the locations and circumstances surrounding that facility and how it interacts with the federal court in that particular location to continue that contract.
Is that the first time that's happened since the executive order was issued?
Now it's I think now the third you know the first one being the facility in San Diego.
I think now the third, you know, the first one being the facility in San Diego. Oh, okay.
Oh good, that's, I guess that net.
So I guess that's positive. Um.
What does your guidance assume with respect to the other two direct contracts?
U.S. Marshall contracts the Western region and Rio Grande. Are you assuming that those get renewed? Well San Diego is the Western region and that's been approved for an extension and Rio Grande as well.
region and Rio Grande, are you assuming that those get renewed? Well San Diego is the western region and that's been approved for an extension and Rio Grande as well. Got it, okay.
Thank you. And then lastly, I didn't see free cash flow guidance in the release, but...
If you just kind of, you can kind of back into the change in that that you're...
forecasting in that equates to about $175 million to coin and that debt. Is that a good proxy for free cash flow?
I think 175 to 200 million.
Got it great. Thank you very much guys
Our next question will come from Jordan Sherman with Ranger Global. You may now go ahead.
Great, thank you. So I apologize. I want to return to the ISAP for one more minute. Two questions on that.
First of all, I just want to understand, the ISAP budget is consistent from 22 to 23, but in 23 you were able to have some flexibility in the budget and they were able to get money that were budgeted for elsewhere to increase the number of people in ISAP, is that correct? And then this year they've pulled back to budget levels.
No, I didn't say that. I'm asking. See.
The allocated amount is approximately the same as last year. It remains to be seen as to whether they're approved for additional funding as they have been in prior years.
Okay, so that's not a definite at the moment. It's just a 2B determined. And so, you know, we have to take that in consideration in, you know, creating our guidance.
and providing some flexibility.
You mentioned part of the reason for, so that's one reason, part of the reason you mentioned that's the budgetary pressures, the other one was, changes the immigration policy. And I'm wondering if that's...
December 252,000, but dropped 156,000 in January .
I'm wondering if those two are related or what's driving those.
What were the changes and is that the reason why we've had so many fewer border encounters?
Well January is historically the lowest count date because of temperature.
about impact, you know, the board of crossings. So, you know, for four decades, January's been the lowest crossing count month. No, I appreciate that, but when we were running for 40% above last year levels, and then in October and November December , and then in January , we're just about last year's level.
Didn't happen.
So, how does that...
Decrease the number of border encounters.
Well, Title 42 is still in effect A, B, it's a lot colder.
Well, Title 42 is still in effect A, B, it's a lot colder. And you are happy.
It just seems a pretty dramatic drop year over year.
month over months and you had didn't see that. I see.
Well, historically, December is not as large. I mean, you should be looking at...
December has been in the not in the lead not January January is always the lowest month. Why was December so high and I think they were anticipating that Title 42 would go away and people were lined up at the border. Oh I see got it got it. Okay I understand. So with Title 42 not.
people, people got discouraged and went away. Yeah, yeah. We got it. OK, OK, I'll just say. No, I appreciate that. In the ISAP program, what was the changes in immigration policy mentioned that impacted ISAP?
Well, there has been the establishment of the pro-program for certain countries, which is now being legally challenged in the courts, but some action has been taken to remove some ISAP participants, allowing with those countries. Got it. Okay.
And then just finally, if you had on average a hundred and I mean...
290,000 across the year versus 300,000.
What would be on, I know this varies depending on what services you're providing for the individual persons, but on average, how much revenue difference would that 10,000 across the year be and how much EBITDA difference?
I don't know if we've given out that kind of information in the past.
Would you like to? No, I think I'm sure it is right. We've taken into account all the factors you described to provide a reasonable low end of the range. We're certainly hopeful it doesn't materialize, but we want to make sure we take into account the most recent.
current events and then I think we've been prudent. You know, as we talked about last year was growing every month. There's always been some starts and stops in the program, but the general direction of the trend of the program has always been upward. But we've seen this recent trend and some of the issues that George described and felt relaxed.
prudent to give a guidance range that reflected a reasonable lower estimate and so that's what we've done.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Could you elaborate on any potential opportunities for reactivation as reactivation of facilities? I'm sure they got that word wrong. No, I can't. Okay. How about this one? Are they state or federal?
We've been saying, yeah, where we talked to our clients. They're both.
Okay, any of them out for formal RFP yet?
No, it would not require an RFP process.
any idea on timing for any of them.
or is that all uncertain at the moment?
It's all uncertain at this time.
It's all uncertain at this time. All right, great. Thank you very much.
Good try.
Our next question will come from Josh Joseph with Black Diamond. You may not go ahead.
Hi, my question to have an answer is related to the ISAP participants.
Thank you. Our next question will come from Jordan Himowitz with Philadelphia Financial.
You may not go ahead.
Next, take my questions. If you guys have turned a page 4 of the presentation, you've got electronic monitoring and supervision for NLI going from $45 million to $85 million in year-of-year from $25.45. The $45 million.
Can you say what those percentages are or dollars or EBITDA versus net operating income? No, I mean we just close what I think
You know, it ties into our segment reporting in our 10K, but we're not getting in the specific EBITDA by division or margins by division.
Are the trends similar? Is it roughly half of EBIDA or would it be more because the CAPEX?
or the interest expense, and even I would probably be less.
The inter-sixpension, even I would probably be less. Yes, no, maybe.
Well, the interest expense isn't tied to any particular division. Okay. But you wouldn't need to borrow money for the electronic modem in the vision because it's not a capital intensive business. But we're not borrowing money for...
either the electronic monitoring division or the secure services division that this time there's were
Both divisions are significantly cash flow positive from an operating cash flow perspective. And there's no significant growth cap X required by the Secure Services Division at this time.
So in our earnings release, we put out our guidance for CAPEX for next year, I think between 77 and 88 million was about 45 million or so related to maintenance CAPEX and discretionary CAPEX associated with our facilities and then the other 30.
2 to 40 million or so related to our I-SAP or I'm sorry our electronic monitoring division.
Let me show you on page 3 you've got EBITDA guidance of 500 to 540. Could you say roughly how much is related to each division? Is it half and half roughly? Because obviously electronic monitoring has been growing much faster. No, we haven't done that. I think part of the issue there is that's after overheads and stuff.
Okay, and last thing, I mean, the surges of what are happening because people that title 42 go away and then it did it. And now all of a sudden your guidance assumes it's not going away, but the Biden has said this infinite wisdom that pandemic ends on May 11th.
How can we justify a policy based on a pandemic that no longer exists? Would it there have to be a surge of some sort the magnitude of the debate? And by not assuming any surge at all, are the numbers pretty ridiculously conservative?
No, we think they're conservative but not ridiculously so.
Yeah, I think we gave the reasons that George discussed both recent policy direction, budget pressures and so forth to
I think we gave the reasons that George discussed both recent policy, direction, budget pressures and so forth to give a reasonable lower end of the range.
As I said, we've had a 10% increase in our occupancy in our ice facilities over the last several weeks. Do we make that policy decision? No. We just received the individuals and attended their care.
Okay. Thank you.
now go ahead. Thanks for the time. I wanted to clarify what's in that 290. Are you referencing the 128BI report that ICE reports? Are you using the GPS or smart link? Are you doing a different number?
The 290 includes all the participants in the program that are either using some form of technology or in the active case management part of the program. So yet, the 128 number, I'm not sure if that's the current number, but that's some of the participants that are using the smart link.
or the BI provided phone device that includes the smart link application on it.
So it's a stop yet at the 290 if you will.
Got it. So like when I look at the 128 number it was three in that that ice is closed. There's 324,500 split between about 6000 and GPS 280,000 smart length, 15,000 phone and 24,000 no tech. I should exclude the no tech for an apple to apples on your number.
Yeah, we don't include the note tech because there's not really any revenue associated with the note tech participants. They just kind of come into it and they're out. We're not providing any service associated with that. Case management or... God is...
Got it. Okay. And then are you referencing a today number or 128 number? Oh, you're saying January 28th? Is that what you're referring to when you said one, two, three? Yeah, that was the last close date. Yeah. Approximately today, a little more current than January 28th.
Right? Okay, got it. And then on your competitor. Oh, go on about the Q90.
Yes. Yeah, George was just saying that's today's approximate number.
So it's just from a revenue perspective not to belabor the point. If I take just the GPS number and the smart lake number, exclude even the phone because I'm assuming that's lower revenue. That's sort of the apples to apples how you got to a peak a little bit over 300,000.
not not the very way we Including all those things.
Oh, okay. It got it. Okay. And then just separately, I'm the, you know, the call last week, you know, of course, civic mentioned that they were.
telling ICE they could help with alternative detention. How could they help if you have the contract?
They may be thinking of...
other approaches or other kinds of services they could add on to the ICAP program, but not taking over the ICAP.
program. I think there's been several NGO organizations that have, you know, that are constantly approaching ICE about additional services they could supplement the program with.
Got it. Got it. Okay. And then just on the website is the cadence going to be that you need to refinance the first link credit facility first and you can call that at I believe 103 and basically I know you guys are targeting 3x but as a practical matter 3x or if the debt mark gets better. That
It's once you refinance that and then that will allow you close the second lean refinancing as well to do something with cap or return. Is that sort of the cadence on the cap or structure?
I think that's a reasonable assumption. It's going to, you know, we're going to monitor the market and see what opens first, but obviously the first lean right now is the most.
expensive, so we certainly have a focus on trying to take care of that and get more flexibility in the rest of the capital structure by doing that.
Got it, got it. Awesome. Thanks so much for the time guys. Really appreciate the call.
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Our next question will come from Kenneth Williamson with JP Morgan. You may now go ahead. Thanks for fit me in here. I just most of my questions were answered, but I just wanted to visit the US Marshalls. You have for home.
Congratulations on the extension. I just wanted to clarify that the facility that extended, I think he said it was in Georgia, that was their decision to execute a or pick up a option that was already written into the original contract. Is that a authorization?
on the extension. I just wanted to clarify that the facility that extended I think he said it was in Georgia. That was that was their decision to execute a pickup a option that was already written into the original contract. Is that the characterization correct?
Okay, so for, and you mentioned you have one other contract that's coming up in September . Are there any options written into that for extension or would they have to renegotiate there are and how long would that extension be if they picked up the option there? I think they're typically two-year extensions.
Right. Okay. Okay. And those are the only two US Marshalls contracts that were set for expiration in 2023.ts
Well, San Diego has another option that will trigger, I think, this fall.
Well, San Diego has another option that will trigger, I think, this fall September .
That's the western regional detention facility.
Okay. And that also has to your extension option, both in. Yep.
Okay, and then how about 2024? How many U.S. Marshall services contracts would be for extension or renewal in 2024?
No, no, okay, great. Thank you.
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to George Zolli for executive chairman of this Geo Group for any closing remarks.
Okay, thank you for joining us today. We look forward to addressing you in the next quarterly conference call.