Q4 2022 Masimo Corp Earnings Call
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Massimo's fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. The company's press release is available at www.massimo.com. At this time, all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. For the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to introduce Eli Cameron, Massimo's Vice President of Business Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir. Thank you. Hello, everyone. Joining me today are Chairman and CEO Joe Chiani and Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Micah Young.
Speaker 2: This call will contain forward-looking statements which reflect management's current judgment including certain of our expectations regarding fiscal year 2023 financial performance. However, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from our projections and forecasts
Speaker 2: are discussed in detail in our periodic filings with the SEC. You will find these in the investor relations sections of our website. Also, this call will include a discussion of certain financial measures that are not calculated in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, or GAP. We generally refer to these as non-GAAP financial measures.
Speaker 2: In addition to GAAP results, these non-GAAP financial measures are intended to provide additional information to enable investors to assess the company's operating results in the same way management assesses such results. Management uses non-GAAP measures to budget, evaluate, and measure the company's performance%
Speaker 2: sees these results as an indicator of the company's ongoing business performance. The company believes that these non-GAAP financial measures increase transparency and better reflect the underlying financial performance of the business. Therefore, the financial measures we will be covering today will be primarily on a non-GAAP basis, unless noted otherwise.
Speaker 2: Further, we will also be referencing pro forma financial measures, which include historical results for Sound United prior to the acquisition date of April 11, 2022. In our presentation today, we will once again be referring to this business as our non-healthcare segment.
Speaker 2: Reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included within the earnings release and supplementary financial information on our website.
Speaker 2: Investors should consider all of our statements today together with our reports filed with the SEC including our most recent form 10k and 10q in order to make informed investment decisions. In addition to the earnings release issued today we have posted a quarterly earnings presentation within the investor relations section of our website.
Speaker 2: to supplement the content we will be covering this afternoon. I'll now pass the call to Joe Chiani. Thanks, Eli. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us for Massimo's 2022 year-end earnings call.
Speaker 3: 2022 was a momentous year for Massimo. Our health care business outperformed expectations.
Speaker 3: We continue to innovate and deliver clinically proven new products in our professional healthcare markets.
Speaker 3: And we accelerated our strategy to capture the vast consumer health market opportunity with the acquisition of Sound United, owner of iconic brands such as Bowers & Wilkins, Dennen & Morant.
Speaker 3: The acquisition has provided us with immediate scale across audio and automation engineering, sales and marketing and distribution that would have otherwise taken many years of diluted investment to build.
Speaker 3: Instead, we've already completed the integration of SoundUnited, rebranded the business as Massimo Consumer, and are working to realize the tremendous potential of the hearables, and telemonitoring markets unlock.
Speaker 3: by our unique combination of signal processing, physiological monitoring, audio, and automation technology capabilities.
Speaker 3: Looking back on our financial performance in fiscal year 2022, our consolidated revenues exceeded $2 billion.
Speaker 3: With healthcare revenues reaching $1.34 billion,
Speaker 3: representing 11% organic growth.
Speaker 3: The Massimo Consumer Acquisition, which closed in early April last year, added $695 million to our reported revenues.
Speaker 3: bringing pro forma revenues for the consumer business to $963 million in fiscal year 2022, representing 11% organic growth as well. Our fourth quarter results continued the strong momentum we built throughout the year.
Speaker 3: with consolidated revenues of $617 million representing 9% organic growth.
Speaker 3: This included 10% growth from our health care business and 9% growth from our consumer audio business.
Speaker 3: In health care, we benefited through 2022 from consistent success in winning new customers.
Speaker 3: We continue to capture significant new business during the fourth quarter, gaining business with the Franciscan Ministries of Our Lady, Fresno Community Hospital and NuVance Health.
Speaker 3: In addition, we renewed contracts with many of our customers including Cincinnati Children's and Temple University Hospital. More audio growth was fueled by new product introductions.
Speaker 3: improve supply chain conditions, and strong momentum in our hearable strategy.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about the long-term opportunities in this business as our integrated platform enables innovative new solutions for consumers and not just audio, but health.
Speaker 3: Later in the call, I'll share more details on the new product launches slated for 2023 that will support our long-term growth in our professional health care and consumer franchises. thanks a lot for joining me on this show.
Speaker 3: Our strong financial results in 2022 demonstrate our ability to capture increasing market share within the large and growing markets that we compete in.
Speaker 3: The progress we made across our portfolio and on our consumer health strategy positions, us to create value for patients, clinicians and shareholders for many years to come. With that, I'll pass it to Micah to review our fourth quarter and full year results in more detail.
Speaker 2: and provide an update on our 2023 financial guidance. Thank you, Joe, and good afternoon, everyone. Starting with the fourth quarter, our results clearly demonstrate the earnings power of our combined business, with revenues, operating profit, and earnings per share, all above the high end of our guidance range.
Speaker 2: Our consolidated revenue was $617 million, representing 9% constant currency growth on a pro forma basis.
Speaker 2: For our healthcare segment, fourth quarter revenues were $352 million, representing 10% constant currency growth. Our driver shipments for the quarter reached nearly 79,000.
Speaker 2: yielding total driver shipments of $308,000 for the full year. With those shipments, our installed base of technology boards and instruments grew by 7% over the prior year period. Our healthcare revenue growth was fueled by strong performance from our rainbow blood constituent monitoring.
Speaker 2: O3 cerebral oximetry and Noma Line capnography and gas monitoring products.
Speaker 2: Further, we are encouraged by the progress we are making to drive adoption of our platform solutions across the various care areas in the hospitals we serve.
Speaker 2: Hospitals have been adopting patient safety net and our other hospital automation solutions in the general award setting to enable them to streamline workflows and contribute to better patient management practices.
Speaker 2: In fact, the number of beds connected via patient safety net in Irish Gateway increased by 19% and the installed base for our root connectivity platform grew by more than 30% in 2022. The number of beds connected via patient safety net in Irish Gateway increased by 19% in 2022.
Speaker 2: For our consumer non-healthcare segment.
Speaker 2: Fourth quarter revenues were $265 million, representing 9% constant currency growth on a pro forma basis.
Speaker 2: Easing supply chain pressures and continued execution of our portfolio innovation strategy facilitated strong performance.
Speaker 2: continued execution of our portfolio innovation strategy, facilitated strong performance, and the quarter.
Speaker 2: We saw double-digit gains for the Dennen and Marantz brands which benefited from some some successful new product introductions during the quarter. In addition, Bowers and Wilkins continue to see very strong growth in their headphone franchise with those sales doubling versus the prior year period.
Speaker 4: Now moving down the P&L.
Speaker 2: For the fourth quarter of 2022, we reported consolidated non-GAAP gross margin of 51.7%.
Speaker 4: This included gross margins of 61.6% for our healthcare business and 38.5% for our non-healthcare business.
Speaker 4: As I mentioned on our last earnings call, we believe the fourth quarter was the floor for our gross margin due to currency headwinds and supply chain inefficiencies, with steady recovery expected throughout 2023.
Speaker 4: For our consolidated business, our non-GAAP operating profit increased 24% to $104 million.
Speaker 4: And our non-GAAP earnings per share increased 9% to $1.32 per diluted share for the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: Fiscal year 2022 was a dynamic year as we positioned our company for success in capturing profitable share within the massive new markets for wearables, curables, and telemonitoring. We achieved reported revenues of $2 billion, $36 million, and pro forma revenues of $2 million, $293 million.
Speaker 4: representing 11% constant currency growth.
Speaker 4: We also delivered operating profit dollar growth of 23% and EPS growth of 15%.
Speaker 4: Considering we are integrating the new consumer business over the past year, we view these results as a great achievement for the Massimo team around the world. Now I'd like to provide an update on our full year 2023 financial guidance that we initially outlined at our investor day back on December 13th.
Speaker 4: For the full year, 2023, we are now projecting a consolidated revenue range of $2,415,000,000 to $2,460,000,000 representing 6-8% growth on a pro forma and constant currency basis.
Speaker 4: Compared to our prior guidance, this represents an increase of 73 million at the midpoint of the range, which is comprised of an increase of 58 million due to foreign exchange improvement and an increase of 15 million due to our improved sales expectations. For our healthcare segment, we are now projecting revenues of
Speaker 4: 1,450,000,000 to 1,465,000,000, representing 8 to 10% constant currency growth. This represents an increase of 23,000,000 at the midpoint of our guidance range.
Speaker 4: For the consumer non-healthcare segment, we are now projecting revenues of $965 million to $995 million.
Speaker 4: representing 2 to 5 percent constant currency growth.
Speaker 4: This represents an increase of 50 million at the midpoint of our guidance range.
Speaker 4: We are also projecting consolidated non-GAAP operating profits ranging from $400 million to $405 million, representing 10-12% growth.
Speaker 4: This represents an increase of 35 million at the midpoint of our guidance range due to foreign exchange improvement and improved operational expectations.
Speaker 4: Moving further down the P&L, we're now projecting non-operating expense of 46 to 48 million, which reflects higher interest expense on the portion of our debt that has a floating rate.
Speaker 4: And we are projecting a tax rate of 26.5% and weighted average shares outstanding of $55 million.
Speaker 4: Based on these assumptions, we are projecting a non-GAAP EPS range of $4.70 to $4.80.
Speaker 4: Compared to prior guidance, this represents an increase of 40 cents at the midpoint of the range due to foreign exchange improvement and improved operational expectations partially offset by the higher interest expense. Turning briefly to our first quarter outlook, we are projecting consolidated revenue of $550 to $565 million, non-GAAP operating profit of $72 to $75 million, The same costs for loaded goods and second worldwide contracts have been
Speaker 4: and non-GAAP earnings per share of 81 cents to 86 cents. Our first quarter guidance reflects higher litigation expenses associated with the theft of Trade Secrets' trial against Apple, as well as the timing of sales and marketing investments in preparation for the launch of our consumer health products later this year. Please reference the earnings presentation on our investor website for further details.
Speaker 3: While 2022 was a big year for Massimo,
2023 should be even bigger, both because of the record new customers that came to Massimo, but also because of all the new significant milestones we expect in 2023.
We had a record year for a US healthcare business and a second best year ever for a worldwide healthcare business in terms of new customer wins over to mass and with technology.
We anticipate achieving many significant strategic milestones in 2023.
that will mark the beginning of a second phase of growth for our company and the realization of important benefits from the Massimo consumer business.
With Massimo Consumer, we are now focused on strengthening and expanding the shared connected automation ecosystem that powers our remote monitoring products and services.
One of the important components is our home health hub-based HEALS devices for data streaming used in our connected suite of products.
Growth for HEOs continues to rise as we realize an increase in the number of HEOs containing devices in the fourth quarter of approximately 200,000 devices with the HEOs installed base now exceeding 3.6 million.
As we outlined at Investor Day, we plan to activate over 4 million HEOS devices in 2023.
which will serve as home health hubs for our secured health cloud and allows to offer our customers on tethered and connected care at home and broaden the reach of our many connected, massive, and customer wearables with innovative new applications in the future.
We have a series of important new product launches planned this year that should set the stage for meaningful revenue contributions from our consumer health products in the next two to three years. We share some of these products with you at Investor Day and we're highly encouraged by the feedback we received. Up first will be the medical version of our W1.
In the second half of the year, we plan to launch our next generation earbuds with adaptive acoustic technology that will customize the sound spectrum for an individual's unique hearing profile.
Later this year, our Freedom Watch with the Android operating system is slated for launch.
and our B1 sleep and fitness bands will round out our portfolio of wearables with various price points and feature sets that can be displayed together in retail stores for marketing synergy.
We also have new products planned for sale in drugstores later this year. The RADIUS-T, the Resposable Body Temperature Monitor, and the VS-1 Spot Check Vital Sign measurement device. With these new product launches, we have a new product plan for sale in drugstores.
can understand why we are so excited for health.
At the same time, we continue to develop our professional healthcare product portfolio to strengthen our leadership in patient care settings.
In December , we announced the limited market release of our sepsis index, a breakthrough early warning solution designed to help clinicians catch deterioration in patient condition and track their recovery from sepsis. In January , we announced the limited release.
our AI based visual clinical activity monitoring system, a hand hygiene compliance solution integrated into our
We expect to roll both of these into full market release in the near future.
In telemoneturing and telehealth, we will continue to expand our capabilities both organically and via partnership to support our home, to hospital, to home initiatives and improve access to quality care.
In our OEM business, we announced a new addition to our partnership with Philips in January that adds our W1 HealthWatch to the Philips PIC-IX system.
The addition of W1 by Philips will improve the in-hospital experience for patients by enabling mobility while reducing work for nurses related to sensor disconnections and connections.
In our global health business, we achieved strong growth as products such as RAD-G for developing economies had very healthy sales with shipments of approximately 30,000 units in 2022.
These numbers are not included in the driver numbers that MICA announced. We also secured partnerships with major international humanitarian organizations that will continue to deploy RAD-G in developing countries.
Finally, I want to provide an update on our ongoing litigation with Apple. We received favorable rulings from the ITC and the PTAB, which are a critical step toward elimination of our IP in Apple's products.
We look forward to continuing to advance our cases in the months ahead with both the ITC and federal courts.
We expect to have our trade secret trial in April here in California
As you can see, we have a very exciting year ahead and are keenly focused on executing our strategy to bring our innovations to large markets that have unmet needs.
Through our differentiated and clinically superior technologies, our proven track record of innovation, and our customer-centric approach to product development, we continue to advance our mission of improving lives, improving patient outcomes, and reducing the cost of care.
and taking non-invasive monitoring to new sites and applications.
I'm energized by the opportunities we have and confident Massimo will continue to create long-term value for all our shareholders just as we have done since our IPO.
With that, we'll open the call to questions. Operator? Thank you, sir, and ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Again, that is star one if you have a question. We'll take our first question from Rick Wise, DFL.
Good afternoon. Hi, Joe. Hi, Micah. Very exciting to see such a strong finish to the year. There's so many places to start. Maybe I'll start first, just maybe some big picture. You all talked on the third quarter call about macro challenges persisting into 2023.
I'm just curious at a high level, how are you thinking about, how are you contemplating and integrating the macro pressures that remain on, again, you talked about the first quarter about currency supply chain inflation. And is your strong guidance suggesting you're thinking that things have stabilized into.
We have not seen it return to the levels they used to be
But what makes us feel good about our guidance?
are many things. You know, I mentioned the, for example, the record new customers that we attained in 2022. Well, many of that new customer contracts have not even been deployed yet. So we anticipate these hospitals converting to Massimo and beginning to use our product that will not only benefit them, but of course benefit us.
And I believe with all of these new exciting products and solutions we have.
We believe we can write through some of those challenges. The only ones that we've seen is so far is the supply chain. That seems to have gotten better, although not perfect. But everything else I think is still challenging and we hope to be able to write through them and hopefully exceed what we have even guided here.Zooer. Lika?
Yeah, Rick the only thing to add to that is to Joe's point at the end was on the supply chain we've definitely seen some stabilization there freight costs have improved and You know as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. We feel like we saw you know a low point in the fourth quarter and You know consistent with what we mentioned the last
the prior earnings call, we feel that that's going to start to really steadily improve throughout the year. We're not out of the woods yet. I don't think any company, most companies are not out of the woods yet on supply chain issues, but they are definitely stabilizing and we expect to see improvement.
Again, lots of ways to go here, but I'm just going to focus on the W1 because, Joe, you called it out, the importance of it, the next version coming soon.
Maybe in a high level talk to us about Where are you with the w1 rollout? if you talk last quarter about The number of hospitals in the Middle East that are piloting w1 for COPD CHF. Where are we there? Maybe you can roll on I'm asking a big w1 question Oh the you announced the Massimo Phillips w1 partnership
Maybe just update us in greater depth. Where are we? What's next? And what's baked into the outlook for 23 for this driver? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Rick. So first of all, W1 is
getting incredible feedback, incredible reviews from our customers and even those independent people looking at it. We have not rolled it out to our consumer channel yet. It's still a hospital play, hospital to home play. The people that have been looking at it are happy with it. We're getting a lot of good verbal.
feedback. We hope to turn some of them into contracts and deployment this quarter and hopefully seeing the benefit of it in the second half hitting. I mean we're talking about systems that are looking at buying tens of thousands of these W1s and rolling them out into the home.
plans for the maximum consumer team, we want to roll it out along with freedom and B1. Because I think it's important that consumers know what we imagine, not what we have right now because other products are much more beautiful and user...
year we might do a pre-sale roll out of these things just to let...
that he's out, the demand, as well as that people know what's coming, which might even help the W-1 sales to consumers. So all in all, things are going great, and I hope the next earnings call will be able to announce some concrete results.
from the hospital to home side of the business.
Great, thank you so much. Thank you, Rick.
Our next question is Marie Tabeau, B-T-I-G. Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the questions and congrats on a strong finish to the year. I wanted to ask a question here first probably for Micah. If we could try to understand a little bit better how you're thinking about spending and the spending cadence throughout this year. If I look at the last
How should we be thinking about that cadence?
Yeah absolutely great question Marie. As I mentioned some of my prepared remarks we've got in the first quarter it's profitability is not you know where we want it to be we're doing everything we can to improve that but where it stands right now some of our our costs that are coming in through the P&L in the first quarter are the related to
prepare the promotions and channels for those products. So that you will see some some investment ahead there. One thing that I did mention though before is we've got about 1% of our total revenues for the company that are tied into some of you know the investments we're making to really drive success with all those launches this year.
and making sure that we're building out the right areas and building out the channel promotional activities properly to drive that success. So that you'll see in Q1. Like I said, we're going to do everything we can to continuously improve that and not only meet but exceed expectations.
Okay, that's very good to hear. Thanks for that helpful detail. Like Rick said, there's a lot of good topics here, but maybe I'll leave some juicy ones for my peers and just try to better understand, you know, the $15 million that you called out that you increased guidance by in addition to the FX benefit or the FX lesser headwind. What really drove that impact?
our top-line guidance from a standpoint of growth rate. So we're still feeling very good about 2023. It's going to be an exciting year for us, and as we get closer to these product launches, it's giving us more confidence. So we're holding that overall growth rate of 6% to 8%, 8% to 10% for healthcare, and about 2% to 5% for non-healthcare.
And on the non-healthcare side, the consumer audio, we're just being thoughtful that we mentioned on investor day. We, you know, thoughtful and prudent about the guidance. We'll see how things play out. But right now those premium and luxury brands of, you know, Bowers & Wilkins, Den and Morantz are holding up very well.
Certainly are. Okay, thank you. Thank you. And our next question is from Mike Madsen. Needham & Company.
Yeah, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess I'll start with the new products, particularly the consumer health products. How much have you baked into your guidance for those? Is there anything in the guidance for those for this year? Or have you been very conservative, just kind of kept it out? We've...
We've taken a conservative approach there Mike. We've got a I think I mentioned even back in December that we've got a Modest amount of revenue in for this year and we just want to kind of see how that plays out as we launch to the channels Plus one one key item to note is a lot of these products to our Tide FD a 510k approval. So we're being thoughtful about that as well
Okay, I understand. And then just on the trade secret trial, I guess, you know, how firm is the April timing? And then second part of the question would just be, what are the potential outcomes, assuming that Massimo is victorious? I mean, I'm more familiar with kind of
Patent trials, but I've never really seen one of these before. Would it be just sort of damages or is there potential for royalties and things like that? Yeah, the dates are seeming firm. We had a conversation with our judge a couple of weeks ago and he said maybe at most there will be a one week delay at the time.
So, we hope the trial will begin first week of April and it probably lasts two to three weeks. We just had a trade secret, the litigation in front of Judge Selna, against a former employee who started a competitive product. And right before that, he went to Apple and took our stuff there, too. So, in that case, the judge did an injunction on the products that had our technology in it. So, we're hoping that...
with this trade secret trial, we will get an injunction. And also there are damages in this case that...
depending what the jury concludes and then what the judge concludes. It could be from hundreds of millions of dollars to billions of dollars. So, we'll have to see. Okay, got it. Thanks. And then just one on the non-healthcare business. I know that the kind of spending there on the sales and marketing and R&D within that business specifically was...
from what I remember was significantly lower than kind of on the healthcare side. And look, I understand why that's the case, but it was also owned by private equity. So, you know, have you guys been, or are you planning to increase any, you know, investments and sales and marketing or R&D in that business? Well,
I remember it was significantly lower than kind of on the healthcare side and look I understand why that's the case But it was also owned by private equity. So, you know Have you guys been or are you planning to increase any? You know investments in sales and marketing or R&D in that business Well, I think you're right that
previously they weren't really investing in themselves the way they should. And I think there are certainly opportunities, but when it comes to the high end of music, receivers, as well as speakers, they already had a really good market penetration. So our focus is really to bolster the hearable side of their business. We want to go after the earbuds, we want to go after the headphones. And I think Michael mentioned that for example Q4 we doubled our headphone revenues compared to Q4.
good share of that market. This adaptive acoustic technology is remarkable. The actual audio quality of what Bowers and Denon and Marantz do are a lot better than what's out there. So yeah, so we will, where are you going to see our investment compared to
when it was being run by private equity, is to focus them on the markets that we think are large and growing and we have a reason to succeed. And so that's going to be certainly one of them. And then HEOs, HEOs is something they were neglecting. We think it's the Rembrandt and the old house that we found.
and we're going to invest in it and we're going to bring it out and put the shine on it. And as you know, we want to use it to make wearable monitoring throughout the house, connected always and easy. So we'll do what we can to invest in that without sacrificing our earnings growth that we want to continue delivering.
Okay, thanks. Appreciate it. Our next question is Michael Clark, Wolf Research. Thank you. One number is one, one bigger picture, one on W1. On the numbers, I just want to be clear.
The healthcare constant FX growth input, Mike, I heard 8 to 10% on this call. I'm looking at the investor day slides. I saw 9 to 10% there, I guess.
What am I missing? Was there an adjustment there? If so, why? Yeah, so Mike that's just because you know we had we were showing growth rates off of a range of last year so based on the finishing point it just it created a little bit wider range a little bit of rounding there on the range. Got it. So dollars hold you'd be in the quarter. Yeah, dollars hold yes.
And we're taking up revenue by 23 million in total. And I think, if I can remember correctly, I think currency improved by somewhere around.
up revenue by 23 million in total and I think if I can remember correctly I think currency improved by somewhere around let's see.
Let's see, 20, about 18 million, I think. I don't have it right in front of me. Got it. The follow-up is on W1, Joe. I'm curious. You're talking to systems interested in buying tens of thousands of these units. I mean, maybe this is a better question for some of your customers versus you, but is there a vision to use this as reusable equipment, such that patient discharge goes home? Where is it for one to six months, a year, and then it goes back to the hospital and can get recycled? Or are you hearing more like patient is discharged and?
They get a W1 keep or something. Well, yeah. You know what, that's a really good question. I think time will tell if they'll forgive the customer and let them keep it or they'll force it back. Certainly the product is reusable, can be clean, can be reused. So we'll just have to see what they end up doing.
Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is Jason Riddie with Capital Market. Hi, thanks for taking the questions. First off, I just want to clarify, I think you said pre-launch costs are about 1% for a lot of the consumer products that you plan for 2023.
Did I hear that correctly? And is there additional costs like advertising, et cetera, that we should expect with those launches? Yes, so the launch costs, or what we put in there, is really promotional type advertising, marketing dollars associated with some of those launches. Depending on the product, they'll go through different types of marketing, promotional, through those channels.
of the existing consumer business. So that's what that's tied to. Of course, as you know, as we talked about last December , they've got the consumer business has over 450 sales and marketing professionals worldwide. And that's what's really, we're gonna be able to leverage that channel in a big way. But we do have promotional activities associated with the investments on these launches.
Okay, so the incremental cost is about 100 basis points and then the rest falls on Sound United's existing infrastructure. That's right, we're going to leverage and synergize through that channel. Okay, thank you, that's helpful. And then on W-1, if you mentioned, you know, households looking to buy tens of thousands, that means we should anticipate, should we be anticipating that you when you announce contracts, there'll be
basically multi-million dollar contracts? Or how do we think about W1 and how you start recognizing revenue or at least acknowledging the revenue pathway for W1? Yes, yes. We anticipate multi-million dollar contracts. And it doesn't mean every...
Every contract will be that big but some of the systems we're talking to right now. There'll be Multi multi million dollars maybe tens of millions of dollars a year And it's a combination of the product and the service that we provide so you know the magic of the last 20-25 years has been
technology that really works but caring clinicians that know how to use it. So we're providing a service where caring clinicians will be able to monitor these patients remotely sometimes by the hospital staff, sometimes by third-party hospital staff, sometimes by people that we contract with. So yes, so those will be kind of a monthly service along with
the products they need to assure the patient safety and care is going well. I agree for help. I'll go back in here. Thank you. Up next is Jason Bednar Piper's family.
Hey, good afternoon. Congrats on the on the court and the guide here guys. Maybe I'll start here first with some questions in store. Just wonder if you have any maybe out there in the regulatory process their interactions you may have had with the FDA on that and then if you could comment the same on on w one I think that one's still pending as well as you meant.
qualify success for stork as we look over the next two to three years. We've talked a lot about W1 today but maybe if we could put kind of the same stamp on stork. Sure, sure. On the regulatory climate. We've had some really good discussions with the FDA. We're encouraged.
We hope to have Safety Net Alert finally cleared in the next quarter or two. Along with that, they recognize the W1 and some of the other products that we have, like Storq, and we hope to get clearances for them as well. However, we're not linking the launch of Storq.
with the FDA clearance. While I think we'll do much better with our success with FDA clearance, because it will be the first product of its kind to be cleared by the FDA, we believe we can market it.
internationally, including in the US, without FDA clearance. So, and then I think the next part of your question was, you know, what do we think success maybe with stork looks like? You know, there's what, four million births a year in the US, and unfortunately, maybe 5,000 babies die of sudden infant death syndrome a year. So, we think it's a very...
very essential product that kind of fulfills our whole plans for mass and with set pulse like symmetry. So I don't know, maybe it should reach a hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars of revenue over the next few years. So that I would call success and hopefully it will continue growing past that.
Okay. I mean, maybe it's just a, I'm trying to reconcile this real time, so apologies. I'm admittedly maybe not good at math sometimes, but you know, I thought you guys were talking about a hundred basis points of contribution from new products and now we're, and that was at the investor day.
And now we're talking about maybe 100 to 200 million from Stork and tens of millions from W1 contracts. And that doesn't include B1 or freedom. And I was going to ask some questions here on maybe radius T and VSP, if that's getting lumped in there. I'm just having a hard time reconciling that 100 basis points that maybe it was a little bit conservative, but
Now we're having some pretty big numbers that are thrown out there for some of these launches. So maybe help me with that, maybe what am I missing or miss estimateing there? Well, I think, you know, we're, first of all, the numbers we give you are numbers were comfortable in meeting and hopefully beating. But the truth is, Massimo Consumer Health is a startup within our company. And with startups, you really can't predict it really well. I've done one of those before. Fortunately, good news is...
The first startup I did became a lot more successful than I anticipated, but it took a lot longer than I anticipated. So as far as where we see success, which is I think the question you asked me on Stork, success would be in the $100 to $200 million a year. Is it going to be this year? No. I think I said in the next few years, hopefully two to three years. And then as far as my earlier response regarding the W-1 revenues, those tens of millions of dollars in contract, they're not going to get deployed overnight. They're going to be deployed more.
systematically by our hospital partners who are going to deploy them. But that'll be the size of those contracts. So how much of that will hit 2023? I don't know. If I try to tell you I did, I'd be guessing. But we're doing this because we're hoping what we started with Mass icalprep.com. Health is going to be a lot. We're doing this because we are hoping what we started with Mass. Health is going to be a lot.
bigger, a lot better, a lot more impact to humanity than what we did the first time. Otherwise, why take the risk? Why go after it?
Okay, fair enough. We can follow up more offline. But maybe squeeze one more in here. We are coming up on the board nomination windows opening. Just curious if you could talk about whether there's been any discussions that have or haven't been had with the activist investor that is present right now. Well
I'd rather not get involved with that. I'm planning to hopefully meet with our shareholders. I know along Along the last few months and historically This is something we've done and it'll include also our new activist shareholder So, you know at the end of the day when I took Massimo Public, I knew It's no longer my baby. It's our baby.
While I'm the single largest shareholder in the company, I don't own the majority of Massimo. And I think it's going to be something that our shareholders have to decide. What's the best future for Massimo? And hopefully they'll make an educated decision and something that we can all be happy about long term. Thanks so much.
the single largest shareholder in the company. I don't own the majority of Massimo, and I think it's gonna be something that our shareholders have to decide what's the best future for Massimo. And hopefully they'll make an educated decision and something that we can all be happy about long-term. All right, thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you.
Our next question is Jason Bedford, Raymond James. Hi, good afternoon. Maybe just a few. Wanted to ask about healthcare gross margins in the fourth quarter. The business has kind of been historically 65, 67% in the quarter just south of 65.
through throughout the year. In Q4 they did come in softer than we expected. We we did have a little bit more cost carry in from prior quarters just from where we capitalized some of those supply chain inefficiencies and manufacturing inefficiencies.
and those roll out over our inventory turns, they came in a little higher. We knew about most of those and we had with some, some also some one-time inventory related charge in the, charges in the quarter. Nothing significant but it did suppress our gross margins a little bit in the fourth quarter. But we are still based on what we're seeing with you know improving freight costs.
things are starting to stabilize there. Inventory spot buys and higher costs related to components are stabilizing. Still not where we want them to be, but they're stabilizing as well, and that's where we're getting more confident that we'll see some steady improvement throughout 2023. And Mike, I may have missed this, but outside of
The 51.7 in the fourth quarter being the floor. Did you comment on gross margin in 23? Sorry, in 23?
Yeah, we've got our gross margins out there. We did provide guidance for 2023 for gross margins. For the full year, we're still looking at about 54% for the combined company on gross margin. Healthcare about 63 and a half roughly. Non-healthcare somewhere between 40-41% for the full year.
Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe just on the other side, pricing, you mentioned you renewed a handful of contracts, maybe a couple handfuls, with existing customers in the fourth quarter. Were you able to capture some price on these renewals? Yes, yes. For those who used to…
be with us years ago. Every year our prices used to go down a couple of percentage points and we stabilized that and for the last several years they've been stable flat but recently we have raised our prices. We held back on that because we were trying to understand whether the cost increases were temporary or permanent.
We also knew hospitals were struggling with COVID patients and lack of surgery and revenue. So with both of those things now being more clear, we have increased our prices, not 20%, 30% like some people have, but, you know, a few percentage points. And we'll probably continue doing that for a while until it kind of helps us catch up with our normal gross margins. Okay. And just competitively, has pricing pressure, to the extent that you believe there was any pricing pressure out there, has it eased?
using retinopathy prematurity or whether it's in the post-surgical ward dealing with patients with opioids. Nothing else has made a positive difference and we have and that positive difference isn't only in improving clinical outcomes but it's also been in reducing cost of care. So that has over time given our sales force the confidence to
competitor had nothing else to do except that and bundling. So yeah, so I'd say that pressure has been reduced and our team knows how to sell the value of our technology.
to do except that and bundling. So yeah, so I say that pressure has been reduced and our team knows how to sell the value of our technology. Great, thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, we have one more. I apologize. That's okay. So we have Matt Taylor from Jeffries. Hello, Matt. Hi, Matt. Hey, Joe. Hey, thanks for taking a good name like the. I wanted to see if you had any thoughts or comments on the live court because it was the first ITC to go across. Thank you. Thank you.
Biden's desk and they got a good outcome there. You've got yours. Is there any read through that you think from that? And maybe you could help us think about the cross-parents of having two shots on goal, at least here with that and the trade secrets case. Yeah, of course. Obviously we're very happy to see that not only the ALJ and the Alive Core case, but the commission.
Recommended an injunction and Biden administration did not reject it. It's the best way to make sure that innovation is protected when patents are respected. An injunction is really the last place to go to make sure that people don't think infringement is in any way an efficient way of going about things. As far as… man.
Massimals case, as you know, the ALJ also found that Apple and French are patent and recommended in a 300, I think 30-page decision that Apple should be enjoined. It's down from the Commission. We hope that the Commission will also find a forward path for our injunction. And given that President Biden did not enjoin or did not intervene in the LIFE-core decision, hopefully that means he won't intervene in hours either.
So, yeah, so we're very happy about that. And at the same time, one thing we have going for us that, maybe two things we have going for us that Allyport didn't. One, we are the leading pulse oximetry company in hospitals.
We didn't just make products for consumers, but that's a huge thing Where the live core Performance is probably similar to apples ours is significantly better. So there's really no reason Not to enjoin it because the pulse ox isn't
a serious product that they're offering ours is. The second thing is that the patent that the judge did find violated and based her decision on to join them was just recently also.
upheld by PTAB in the IPR challenge. Inner party re-examinations is something that Apple had just taken for granted that they will get every time they seek one. Well they didn't get it on this one so our patent is held valid or it was held violated and held valid by the ALJ and so yeah so we feel good about that and then we have as you said
other things that we're doing in the trade secret case. But I got to say, at the end of the day, this is all really regretful. When we first met with Apple in 2013, we were hoping that we would be working with them for the betterment of not just our companies, but the customers. This shouldn't have happened like this. It's not something that we enjoy or want to do. We just unfortunately had no choice but to defend. –
innovation. Maybe I could speak one more in for Micah. Micah, I was just hoping it's the first full year of sound. Could you remind us of any special seasonality or orders, anything that we should be thinking about as we cadence our models that was stronger or weaker throughout the year last year that would would factor in as we forecast this year?
Yeah, no, I think Matt's great question. So Q1, we're of course giving you a guidance there. It's out in our earnings presentation, more details there. You know, that's the low point for that business, and then it should steadily improve in Q2, Q3.
with the high point in Q4. If you looked at some of the performance numbers that are out in the earnings presentation, you'll see that Q2, Q3 and Q4 last year in 2020, 2022, now that we're looking at 23, those are probably more normalized quarters. Q1 was above the trend line. So it's a very, very tough cop in the first quarter.
I think if you looked at the pro forma growth in Q1 of 2022, which was not reported under us, but that growth was due to some a lot of supply chain bottlenecks eased up in that first quarter and they were able to ship through those. So that was above trend line in Q1 of 2022 and that was about 22% constant currency growth. So we're going to be facing a
Once again, everyone, that does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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