Q4 2022 Sterling Infrastructure Inc Earnings Call
Feeding welcome to Sterling infrastructures 2022.
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Alright, Jerry.
Good morning, everyone.
Thank you for joining sterling's fourth quarter and full year 2022, earning school.
It's hard to believe this is my six year round, earning skull, it's C E O of Sterling.
It's always fun to reflect back on all the accomplishments.
See the transform company that is stronger than ever.
These accomplishments are a tribute to our people our culture and our strategy.
Without the best people in the industry delivering the Sterling way none of this would've been possible.
The only thing that excites me more or.
The opportunities we have ahead of us.
But before we discuss that I'd like to talk about the results and the accomplishments of the fourth quarter and the full year.
In addition, I will talk about our current market in our twenties twenty-three artwork.
Unless otherwise stated all numbers discussed today will be for continued operations.
In 2022, we continued to be one of the safest work environments in our industry.
We want to National Safety Awards, and our largest transportation business, what the entire year without a recordable lost time incident.
Our employees commitment to keep each other safe along with the continuous training that takes place is really paying off.
We continue to look for innovative ways to get even better with the use of new proactive indicators and artificial intelligence or.
Journey will never stop until everyone goes home safe every day.
2022 marked another year of significant progress with our journey to become a leading infrastructure service provider.
The year R. E infrastructure segment grew 93 per cent.
Approximately one third of this growth was organic.
And two thirds of this growth was from the acquisition pillow.
The infrastructure is now 51% of our total revenue.
66% of our total segment operating income.
It remains our fastest growing and highest margin segment.
The strong demand for data centers distribution centers and the reemergence of less manufacturing has enabled us to end the year with records backwater.
Our building solutions segment continued to deliver strong results, even with a second half decline in the residential market.
Just over 1% total revenue growth building solutions delivered a 12% increase in operating income versus prior year.
This increase was driven by our teams continued focus on price and productivity.
20 per cent of our segment operating outcomes rebuilding solutions.
Favourable market conditions in margin improvements continued in our transportation segments throughout the year.
The combination of higher quality work and the continued shift away from low bid to alternative delivery projects delivered a 34%.
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And 14% less revenue.
A major contributor contributor to the revenue drop was a conscious shift of transportation resources to perform higher margin commercial constructor.
Restructure work in the Rocky Mountains.
Another strategic accomplishment in this segment was the divestiture of our 50 per cent one venture in California.
The risk return ratio of the market.
Coupled with our 50% ownership stake made this a strategic asset.
Eight year and our combined backlog in transportation was up 19% [noise].
And the margins in backlog increased 200 basis points versus year and prior year.
Our transportation segment that represents 14% of our segment operating income.
For the quarter, Arkansas, David revenue was up 26%.
Our gross profit was up 31% and all that income was up 80% versus prior year.
For the full year Ah revenue grew 25% gross profit improved 35% or 110 basis points and is now at 15.5%.
Are operating income was up 49%.
Income increased 54% and our earnings per share were up 49 per cent.
In addition, we generated $219 billion of cash from operations.
And finish the year with $182 million of total cash on the balance sheet up over $120 million from prior year.
These results are incredible when you consider the challenges we had to overcome with inflation.
Supply chain and a declining residential market.
We entered 2023 with a combined backlog of $169 billion up 25% over December 2021.
The margin in our combined backlog improve 160 basis points.
As we look forward to 2023.
The strong market conditions, and <unk> infrastructure, and transportation solutions, coupled with our margins of market improvements.
And you're in backlog enables us to forecast another record year for Sterling.
Based on the bid points of our 2000 twenty-three guidance Ah revenue will grow 10.2%.
Our net income will improve 10.6%.
Earnings per share will increase $8 four per cent.
Our full year guidance range for 2023.
Are as follows.
The news will be between 1.92 billion dollar.
That income.
104 and $110 million.
Our earnings per share would be between $3.33 and $3.35 and our EBITDA will be between 220 and 235 minutes.
With that I'd like to turn it over to Ron give you more details on the theater.
And the full year Rod.
Thanks for your own good morning.
I am pleased to discuss our record fourth quarter and full year performance.
Are updated Investor Relations slide presentation has been posted to our web site and includes additional financial details to help further understand our 2022 results.
The presentation also provides additional miles modeling considerations, which underpin our 2023 revenue and earnings guidance.
As you May recall, we closed on the <unk> acquisition December 30th 2021, resulting with the inclusion of pillows financial results for all of 2022.
Additionally on November 30th 2022, we sold Sterling's 50 per cent ownership interest in Myers for $18 million.
We received $12 million of cash in early January 2000, 2023, and will receive the balance over the next few years.
The divestiture is consistent with our strategy of reducing our portfolio low bid heavy highway projects in order to increase sterling's margins and reduce risk.
The financial operating results of Myers had been presided as a discontinued operations for 2022 and prior periods.
For the year ended December 31, 2022, we reported net income and discontinued operations of $9.7 million consisting of an after tax gain of $13.2 million from the sale.
Each was partially offset by after tax loss from operations up $3.5 million.
Now, let me take you through our financial highlights starting with our backlog metrics.
At December 31, 22 or.
Backlog totaled $1 billion $414 million.
$86 million from the beginning of the year.
The gross margin of this backlog was 14.3% a 170 basis point improvement over the beginning of the year.
A higher portion of <unk> infrastructure backlog and increased transportation backlog margins drove this improvement.
Unsigned low bid awards at the end of 2022 totaled $275 million, an increase of $23 million, an increase from $23 million at the beginning of the year.
We finished the year with combined backlog of $1 billion $689 billion, a $339 million increase over 2021.
Our gross profit and combined backlog was 14.2% compared to 12.6% at the beginning of the year.
Our full year 2022 book the burn ratios were one point O six times for backlogs in one to two times four combined backlogs.
Revenue for the fourth quarter was 488 million up $93 million over 2021.
Our full year 2022 revenues totaled $1 billion $769 million up $355 million from 2021.
As a result of our strong backlog and opportunities in our infrastructure and transportation markets are 2023 revenue guidance range is $192 billion.
Moving to our segments are current quarter infrastructure revenues were $247 million, an increase over the prior year quarter of $120 million.
<unk> infrastructure revenue was $905 million increase of 400.
37 million over 2021.
The year over year revenue increase included $289 million from the late 2021, the acquisition of a pillow and he.
Infrastructural organic growth of $148 million.
Including <unk> acquisition on a pro forma basis 2022 organic revenue growth growth was 32%, 35% for the fourth quarter and full year respectively.
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<unk> infrastructure organic growth reflects the continuing strong demand for data centers distribution centers warehouses and more recently do manufacturing opportunities across are expanding footprint.
Transportation revenues were 100 <unk>.
$127 million in the current quarter, a decrease of $23 million or 15% from a prior year.
Full year transportation revenues were $542 million, a decrease of over the prior year of $85 $6 million or 14%.
The revenue decline was driven by a shift of transportation resources to perform additional higher margin commercial and the infrastructure work.
And due to the timing of the execution of our backlog.
Consistent with our strategic intent.
A little bit heavy highway work declined by approximately $10 million a year over year.
The current year quarter building killed the current year quarter building solutions revenue.
It was $475 million a decrease over the prior year quarter by four $4 million.
The full year building solutions revenues were $232 million, an increase of $4 million over the prior period.
Billing solutions revenues were in in revenue increases were partially driven by higher demand multifamily market.
Partially offset by a decline in single family housing is ownership became less affordable due to increasing interest rates and inflation.
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Current quarter consolidated gross profit was $69 million an increase of.
Of $60 million over the prior year quarter.
Gross margin increased to $15, 4% 60 basis points over the comparable.
Full year consolidated 2022 gross profit was $275 million, an increase of $71 million over 2021.
That provided for gross margin increase to 15.5 million, 55% or 135 113 basis points over 2021.
The fourth quarter and full year gross margins were at record levels.
This consolidated market increase reflects the increase mix of revenues from our higher margin infrastructure segment and increased margins from both our transportation and building solutions markets.
Our gross margins approved improvements were negatively impacted by the continuing supply challenges and inflationary pressures, which primarily impactor <unk> infrastructure and building solutions segments.
General and administrative expense was flat in the quarter compared to the prior year.
Increased $17 $3 million to $86 $5 million for the full year.
Over 70% of this increase was attributable to patillo acquisition with a balanced driven by inflation and higher revenue related incremental costs.
We continue to expect our full year G&A expense to be approximately 5% of revenues.
Operating income for the fourth quarter was $37 million, an increase from $20 million for the prior year quarter.
Current quarter operating margin increase to $8, 3% compared to 5.6% in the prior year quarter.
For the full year 2022, operating income was $159 $90 million, reflecting at $52.9 million increase over the prior year.
Our full year operating margin increased to 9% compared to 7.6% in the prior year.
Fourth quarter and full year operating margins were at record levels.
Are effective income tax rate for the 2022 fourth quarter and full year with approximately 34% and 30% respectively.
We expect our full year 2023 effective income tax rate to be 28 29 per cent.
And that it doesn't affect all of these items resulted in a fourth quarter net income of $22 million or 66 cents per share.
And 2022 full year net income of $96 $7 million or $3.16 per share.
Our netted come guidance is 104 million $210 million for 2023, and our earnings per share guidance is $3.33 to $3.53 per share.
Our fourth quarter, EBITDA totaled $49 million $49.9 million, an increase of 78% over the prior year quarter.
Full year, 2000, 222022 guidance totaled $287 million, an increase of 51% over the prior year period.
As a percent of revenues EBITDA improved 11, 1% of revenue for the quarter up seven nine up from 7.9% in the prior year quarter.
For the year EBITDA move to improve to $11.8 million of revenue per cent is.
As compared to 9.8% in 2021.
We expect of 2023 EBITDA to be in the range of 220 $235 million.
Cash flow from operating activities in 2022 was a very strong 219 million compared to $158 million for the prior year.
The current quarter 2022 cash flow from operations was $88.5 million.
Are strong third quarter in fourth quarter cash flow is a total of $185 million and allows us to more than recover from a slow cash generation in the first half.
The 2022 cash flow fluctuations were principally driven by significant organic growth from our <unk> infrastructure segment as well as improved margins from each of our other sectors.
Cash flow from an investing activities, including included $56 million of Capex.
$18 million related to the Arizona residential slab acquisition and $16 million related to the disposition of Myers.
The Capex reflects the higher infrastructure solutions activities, including the impact of the patillo operations.
Our cash flow from financing activities was 30 $33 million outflow, which included $23 million related to schedule that payments.
Finally.
Diversity and strength of our portfolio of businesses.
Are strong liquidity position consisting of $182 million cash at the end of the year and are comfortable 1.9 times EBITDA leverage.
We are well prepared to take advantages of additional opportunities in 2023 and beyond.
Now I'll turn it back over to Joey.
Thanks, Rob.
As we look at 2023 and beyond we believe our infrastructure segment will remain our fastest growing highest margin segment for the next several years.
Data center activity remains strong and the need for data management continues to grow.
Step back and think of it.
Collection technology is integrated everything we use.
Our homes are.
Cars and our phones are all becoming one link control system.
Every time, a new product comes out.
It's more about the ancillary tech features than the products itself.
This pace will only increase as we bring on new technologies and integrate artificial intelligence.
E Commerce distribution center growth remains solid.
Big name retailers filled out their networks to compete with Amazon.
The reemergence of U S manufacturing is happening faster than we anticipated the largest near term opportunities around the production of electric vehicles and.
And the batteries for these vehicles.
The size and scope of these facilities make them a perfect fit our strengths and our services.
As we look forward data centers e-commerce distribution and manufacturing will provide us with strong growth opportunities for the next three to five years.
We will continue to look for acquisitions in this segment and add to further capabilities or geographic coverage.
Building solutions remains our second highest margin and operating income segment.
Continue the same good growth in the multifamily space is first type homes become less affordable.
On the residential front, we have seen continued growth in the Houston market and slowdowns in both the Dallas and Phoenix markets.
We believe the markets in Dallas in Phoenix will remain slow in the first half of 2023 received a slowdown as an opportunity to pick up additional resources and market share.
The need for first time homes as strong, but affordability remains a challenge.
To help counter this though there are taking actions to offset both cost and interest rates. We believe will begin seeing a positive impact of these actions late in the second quarter or early third quarter 2023.
Historically, we've come out of downturns with larger market share and stronger position. So we've gone into that we continue to look for adding additional services and capacity in 2023, if the right opportunity presents itself.
Our transportation segment is now seeing strong momentum from the infrastructure built.
We continue to improve our margins by focusing on alternative delivery highway aviation and wrap.
In addition, the.
Increased did activity enables us to be even more selective.
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As we go forward the strategy will remain the same.
Focus on reducing risks and improving margins would manage.
In addition, we will continue to evaluate opportunities to shift resources from transportation to our infrastructure and building solutions segments and geographies outside their existing footprints.
2022 is a great year in 2023 his position to be even better.
We have built up a proven platform of diverse infrastructure services that delivered today and could be expanded upon in the future.
We've come a long way as a company.
That are still in the early innings of what we can do.
It is really exciting and an honor to be leading this great company and this amazing team.
With that I'd like to turn it over for questions.
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Our first question comes from France.
Davidson. Please proceed.
Hey, Greg Good morning, Joe Ron Congrats on a great year.
I guess first question just just just with respect to the guidance for 2023 wondering if you could provide anything more specific in terms of the expectations for the three businesses, Joe Iran. I mean, I guess in particular be curious how you're thinking about.
Building solutions over the course of the year I think I heard you say you thought maybe more positive impacts coming in the second half, but but if you can provide any more of that that'd be helpful.
Yeah, you want to give some of the details, but let me give you a kind of a high level.
We certainly we saw the slowdown in that the.
Third and fourth quarter last year.
So I guess I'll.
I'll call it stabilized to to a degree coming into the first quarter.
And we've really seen the builders tape.
They they took a lot of actions, but they didn't really take a lot of the actions until we saw more of them starting to hit the fourth quarter.
And some of those are around buying down points.
Giving discounts at homes.
But where would you think some of this will also start they kick in is the next homes that they're getting ready to build there either.
Taking a little less of the thrills out of the homes or downgrading the appliances, they're doing several things that take significant cost out and if you think of it those homes won't start hitting the market until second and third quarter of this year and we think the combination of those things are really good people people back.
One of the things that builders keep telling us is.
The traffic is down but the hit rate is up significantly so the people coming in are buying homes.
And there's still a lot a lot of demand.
You're going to get some more detail on them.
Sure so with that on the residential side.
Certainly in the first half so we wouldn't we wouldn't expect growth we would expect some smaller decline kind of reducing first or second quarter. As it is we see leaven outer improving them at some point in time, So I think full full year, our crystal ball says kind of a push and revenue.
That that looks like it will continue to be helped by a multifamily housing and <unk>.
Improving our major markets pretty quick Interestingly Houston has held up very well you should still growing yeah, we haven't seen a decline it all in and Houston is one of the few markets in the U S. But it really hasn't changed a recliner across it so that certainly helps and we're open we can allocate.
Resources to that market.
From the infrastructure side, where.
We're expecting a very solid with nice growth and a couple of the press releases in the last six months for.
B E D World those are large projects relatively quick broken bird meeting that average for that that sector is less than a year on average compared to less than two years between one and two on the <unk>.
[noise] excuse me a transportation side. So we expect some maybe even low double digit revenue growth for that segment.
Really depends on how fast we can move up and get going on these jobs.
But the very strong and then on.
Transportation side.
Will be up low single digits.
Think that's consistent with our plan a couple of variables in there we have a large design build and are unsigned. That's the majority of our $200 million plus of of unsigned work.
So does that gets approve we will ramp up that will likely be in the back part back half of the year was decent meaningful revenues coming from that individual project, but the markets solid and our backlog solid. So I think that will keep growing and just to put a number on something you know, we talked a little bit about moving resources around.
As we report our segments goes by the product not the the business unit. So for instance, this year.
Transportation group footprint has done.
$85 million or revenues from Bob Hope.
Commercial work and the infrastructure work in their foot so they're busier than it looks just pure transportation business, but.
That's really consistent right on our strategy higher risk or higher.
<unk> lower risk work.
A steady stream of what I'll call risk adjusted transportation alternative delivery and manageable.
Heartbeat work.
Kind of the Big picture.
Okay. I appreciate all that Ryan just just to clarify you think building solutions could potentially be flat for the year.
Yes, yeah, that's ridiculous yeah, yeah okay.
Better okay great.
Second and fourth <unk> towards those download it with the holidays et cetera and.
Whether.
Okay and is strong outlook, they're free infrastructure just wondering what.
Already in backlog today versus what you need to pick up over the course of this year and it kind of reached the targets for this segment interested in that that guidance.
Yeah. We're generally we've got about six months of backlog in place I would tell you where in a better position than that right now for the year, you still need to pick up a little bit in the northeast we got some capacity coming free there in the second half.
But there's a lot of activity.
The two recent rooms with with the <unk> battery plant those are very very large projects that will consume a fair amount with the southeast capacity this year.
Fills them up right now.
So we'll look if other very large projects come out in the South East we.
We may even do some bills of those using a heavy resources until they come available in the second half of the year.
Okay and in general I mean, it's been it's been a year since you asked big transaction may.
And he just got on the M&A pipeline, how serious some of those discussions might be going in and likelihood we could see something.
Here in 23, yeah. So yeah, we're we're certainly.
Tuck in front, we're always looking hard right and.
Small deals you know I'll call. It 10 to 50 million dollar deals.
We're looking at every day for.
For bigger deals.
We are certainly looking we haven't found the right one.
We'd like the banking World Lady to come back a little bit that would be nice would crude to help us. So our strategy right. Now is how do we continue to look maybe you have something closer lined up and when the banking world stem back, we'll we'll execute on that.
So we we definitely would like to add something upsize for even that that fourth leg. If if possible Britain. So we're continuing to move on that just a little more challenging today's banking world to jump on it but on the positive Brian .
Sitting with with a a bunch of cash.
We gotta figure out what to do with that to make the best return for our investors.
Okay. Thanks, guys I'll pass it on.
Thanks, Brett good talking to you.
Our next question is from Shine East Man with Keybanc capital markets. Please proceed.
Hi, guys. This is Alex Andra, Sean this morning.
Actually all of our questions.
So so on infrastructure can we just talk about the external supply chain environment kind of how this is trying to it in the recent months I'm. Just wondering if this has gotten any better or worse and then and then in 2023 like the segment it won't be copping off a year without the kilo. So so there won't be that margin headwind from the lower the lower margin.
Work. So so is it fair to expect some healthy margin expansion in the segment this year.
Well, let me talk about the supply chain first [noise].
You know on the the two biggest drivers on supply chain for infrastructure or Python and diesel fuel.
We've seen diesel fuel at least stabilize.
So it's a little more predictable than what it was you know when we had to go from two something a gallon.
Five something a gallon and I think it was 45 days it was that's a little hard.
To predict right so.
So it's stabilized so I think we've got our pricing models and contracts bill more effectively around that so theoretically we should see.
As we get into later in the year after the second quarter, some pickup and margins related to that for sure.
Pipe still remains a long lead time items.
And so what we've ended up doing is still a little bit of a productivity it but I'll tell you we're getting better at scheduling the project.
Knowing that the pipe is going to be out towards the end.
We're starting to see <unk> for the first time, some equipment availability for what I'll call. The the traditional machines excavators, those or even seeing some articulated trucks just in the last step few weeks on the market is available from cat. So that's a good sign some of.
Specialty stopped is still lead teflon, we'd times, but I'd like to see their pricing come down I'm not sure we're going to see that the prices up about 30%.
Quickly so.
I think it isn't necessarily gotten a lot better, but it's at least stabilised and weak and more predictable.
Overall, we can manage that more effectively.
Maybe for clarity, we expect both units.
Infrastructure units to increase revenues I don't want people to think that we're gonna be down in the northeast they have a very nice backlog in a good.
Opportunity listed you will they just tend to have a little bit smaller they gotta sell more pieces of it but we expect to have them have another good year. So.
So you can answer your question of margin versus between the two the.
Overall, it today's run right, it's about a 2% delta.
All in for the different type of scope of work that we do in the northeast compared to the southeast South southern bargaining south eastern part of the United States.
That number that will tell you about the same it'll inch down in a big year, our fault slow your mixed and things like that but that's sort of a permanent call at point and a half to two and a quarter until something happens something different happens, but we don't expect that that's that's what we that's what.
Is there a success and with a union environment that is what our clients prefer that we do and our clients are important to us.
The real you will always see a net shift.
<unk> down with the addition of a pillow and the other services, but we believe that in the second half we will claw back some of the.
Some of the erosion in margin that we saw from the supply chain. So.
Again, it's stabilize I think our pricing and our new jobs are much more firm in in the the.
What I'll call the risk of diesel going back up to seven or six or $5 a gallon versus three we feel to them that way or if we built into the five going to eight or nine I think is much lower than it was this time last year.
Got it and then I just wanted to ask about transportation margins. Obviously, you guys don't have Myers and sons and segment anymore, how how much more room is there for Mar just to run in the segment I think last corner you guys were talking about getting another point or so over the next 18 to 24 months. So I'm just wondering if this is still the case.
Yeah, I think I think it's actually a little higher than that I think will get over to the next 18 months more like two to two and a half points.
And if we continue to see the shift and and work it could be better, but I feel pretty good with two to two and a half points over the next 18 months something that'll be a backlog yeah. Yeah, we we get rocket up that fast, but we should see a steady increase in gross margin and backlog, our our gross margins up about 200 basis points.
Right now so that'll that'll blow through over the next 18 months.
Got it.
Over a year I would say 50, 50 disposition versus selling it higher margins.
That increase.
Yep and my last question I I I don't think I see a cash flow guidance anywhere for 2023, I I know you guys have historically talked about operating and calm as a as a good proxy for your operating cash flow is this is this a fair assumption to make in 2023.
I think it is I think if you recall, we we didn't start out strong in the first half of this year, so I, probably backed off of getting to the operating income number but.
The backyard was Jesse incredible so I'm staying with.
Hard to predict but I think the the continuing view.
View would be start with operating income we think we can continue do getting that ballpark.
Given the structure we have today.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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To ask a question. Our next question is from Brian Ruess Sandwich identity can you expect heat.
Hi, good morning.
Hey, Brian .
Just to follow up on the transport do have the capacity or the appetite to try to enhance the top line. So you could have you know accelerating top line growth along with 200 basis points of March.
Margin improvement it seems like you know the I I J, a and given where you are in the Rockies and I believe Idaho those are pretty strong.
<unk> infrastructure, just wondering what you know maybe your post 2023 strategy might be.
Yeah, we we certainly we certainly have the capacity.
Our strategy has been to be very selective continue to get this barge it up to the to the point where.
If we get that margins up the 13, 14% then we'll look at growing it at a more aggressive rate the thing that's a little bit. This evening to people is that we are actually growing at a much faster rate in the Rocky Mountains and the total numbers look at we're continuing to shrink that low bid.
Revenue in.
In silver the other area. So Texas continues to shrink along with some of the other other markets. So it offsets that so the net is that 3% to 5%, but our growth rate in the Rocky Mountains as is historically better than that will continue to do that as long as that work work rebates.
And how soon do you think you can burn the remaining.
You know.
Type highway work that you're currently sharing.
Yeah, well, we can look at our backlog it probably averages two years Ah Ah in the heavy highway space, There's a blenders jobs it'll burn in six months in those jobs that are three years long, but the the bigger jobs that are in there. The design builds the alternative delivery, they're usually 18 to 24 months durations on those.
So we look we don't we don't have an exact number but it was 18 to 24 months is a pretty good number.
I generally just use two years.
We're pretty close to where we want to be on heartbeat work.
Heartbeat Highway work there is there is strategic hardwood opportunities that we will continue to go after that.
But for me to work is.
Only $10 million down that's not because we slowed down because we have less of that type of work that we want to.
Reduced so $10 million for the year, that's that's pretty much declaring victory at this point in time, if you ever can do that.
So that'll be kind of a continuing flow and we got a little bit we have some jobs, where we will replace that will ultimately.
Bringing better backlog, but the same percentage of might be.
As we have today for heartbeat, just add better markets.
Okay, Great and then just to follow up on your infrastructure.
Low double digit organic growth is pretty strong.
You know what I'm, just curious you kind of a unique service offering right and site development.
From several.
You can see companies over the last couple of weeks directly point to data centers and or electric vehicle manufacturing or just reassuring in general.
A fairly robust.
Market going forward and I'm, just curious you know.
Is low <unk> low double digit top line growth is is that you know sustainable you know when.
When we get out past 12 months.
Yeah, well, we will we we look at we say the average over a three year period, the markets say that it's gonna be kinda high single digits. So far we've outpace that significantly every every single year, our goal would be to try to keep it in that high single below double digit growth.
We certainly see the opportunities.
If you look at the cycle data centers are extremely strong and and and continue.
To have a long future, we don't we don't see that slowing down anytime soon.
And the E Commerce World.
Even though Amazon slowed down the rest of the world is trying to catch Amazon is building very quickly.
And recently talking to some of the folks at Amazon you know their their plans are pretty strong when you get out fast 24.
And building more so we see that continuing to be strong.
But the manufacturing piece is really.
Is not only a nice new entree for us.
But.
Most important thing about that is the size and the scope of these projects and and the bigger the.
<unk> you have to move the more complicated in a short period of time as bar for today, we've got the most horsepower of any anybody out there.
And the recent announcement of the S. K job that job has got 14 million yards of dirt on it.
I know that the surface doesn't mean, a lot to people, but that's equivalent to 1.4 million dump trucks of dirt or.
Or if you stack those dump trucks up you would go from New York to California back to New York, and then back to about Saint Louis is how how they would stack it kind of put it in perspective of how much dirt is being moved on that job.
Accidentally a year.
So these are these are really good.
We.
More and more talk I'm chip manufacturing I'll be honest, we haven't seen Ah.
A little further behind we haven't seen those projects progressed or be at the point that the E D's and the and the battery plants are Ah but.
But there's gotta be more electric vehicle builds and more battery plants down through the south eastern and up through the north eastern while they were very pleased with those and it's a it's a great shot of of adrenaline for us and and a little extra boost over the next several years.
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