Q1 2023 Synchrony Financial Earnings Call

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Speaker 1: On the call this morning are Brian Doubles, St. Gurnee's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Brian Wentzel, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Brian Doubles.

Speaker 2: Thanks, Catherine. Good morning, everyone. Today, Synchrony reported strong first quarter results, including net earnings of $601 million, or $1.35 per diluted share, a return on average assets of 2.3%, and a return on tangible common equity of 23.2%.

Speaker 2: Once again, the power of Synchrony's differentiated business model, matched with the continued health of the consumers we serve, delivered consistent growth across our diversified set of partners and products.

Speaker 2: On a core basis, we opened 5.2 million new accounts, grew average active accounts by 8% and drove 42 billion in purchase volume, the highest ever for a first quarter.

Speaker 2: This milestone was achieved with results across each of Synchrony's five platforms, highlighting the strength of our diversified model. Health and wellness purchase volume grew 19% compared to last year, reflecting broad-based growth in active accounts and higher spend per active account.

Speaker 2: In diversified value, purchase volume increased 16% driven by strong out-of-partner spend, strong retailer performance, and penetration growth.

Speaker 2: The 10% growth in digital purchase volume was broad-based, reflecting growth in active accounts and strong customer engagement.

Speaker 2: In lifestyle, purchase volume increased 9%, reflecting higher transaction values, primarily in outdoor and luxury.

Speaker 2: and in home and auto purchase volume increased 6% to strengthen our commercial products and higher transaction values in furniture and home specialty.

Speaker 2: Dual and co-branded cards accounted for 41% of total purchase volume and increased 22% on a core basis, reflecting continued strong response to several new value propositions.

Speaker 2: Synchrony's record first quarter purchase volume growth is a testament to the utility of our flexible financing solutions, the compelling value propositions we offer, and the continued resilience of our customers as they navigate the impacts of inflation and higher interest rates.

Speaker 2: We regularly monitor our customers' needs and their financial health through our billions of real-time transaction data.

Speaker 2: Our insights continue to show only minor variations in average transaction value and frequency across spend categories.

Speaker 2: At a high level, average transaction values and frequency increased in the quarter across both in-store and out-of-partner spend, reflecting the continued impact from ongoing inflationary pressure. However, growth in average transaction values slowed in March, possibly reflecting the early impact of lower tax refunds.

Speaker 2: More broadly, the data suggests that our customers are actively managing the budgets as the macro backdrop evolves. We also continue to see some minor seasonal category shifts within our auto partner spend, though the relative mix of discretionary and non-discretionary spend remains essentially unchanged.

Speaker 2: Meanwhile, across the spectrum of credit segments we serve, our highest credit grade borrowers continue to shop more frequently and spend more when they do. In the sign of their relative health, the transaction frequency of super prime customers in certain platforms grew at rates lasting during the summer of 2022.

Speaker 2: lower credit grade borrowers are shopping somewhat less often. This trend has remained relatively stable since the fourth quarter and follows the payment behaviors of this credit segment, which migrated toward the pandemic level from the second half of last year.

Speaker 2: In terms of payment behavior, we also continue to see normalizing payment rates across age cohorts and credit bands, which is to be expected as consumers spend their accumulated savings and begin to revolve their balances.

Speaker 2: Based on the external deposit data we monitor, consumer savings levels continue to decline through March 31st, though at a slower pace than we saw through most of 2022.

Speaker 2: Average consumer deposit balances declined 2% this quarter, though they remain 10% above 2020.

Speaker 2: As accumulated savings continue to decline at this modest pace, we expect borrower payment revolve trends to further normalize.

Speaker 2: This in turn will drive continued growth in our interest-bearing loan balances.

Speaker 2: the return of delinquency and credit loss metrics to pre-pandemic levels.

Speaker 2: and better optimize risk-adjusted margins for our business.

Speaker 2: Syncrity's business model is designed to support our customers and partners through changing macro conditions, and in particular, a more normalized operating environment than we've seen since the start of the pandemic.

Speaker 2: As this progression back to historical levels continues, we are managing the business prudently for the long term while watching trends.

Speaker 2: With that view, and given the stable labor markets and the relative strength of the consumer's balance sheet, we remain positive on the state of the consumer today.

Speaker 2: Our confidence comes from our decades of experience managing through economic cycles.

Speaker 2: This experience delivers a model that sustainably serves all of our stakeholders. At the crux of it all is our diversified partner portfolio and product suite, which give us the tools to deliver consistent, high quality products and results throughout varying environments.

Speaker 2: We continue to build on these strengths in the first quarter, as highlighted by our recently announced product launch and the addition or renewal of more than 15 partners. In particular, we launched the Synchrony Outdoors card, which was in direct response to customer and partner demand in our power sports business.

Speaker 2: serving as an example of how our platform realignment is enabling synchrony to rethink how we deliver for partners and customers.

Speaker 2: Synchrony has long provided valuable installment landing solutions for power sports equipment.

Speaker 2: However, in this market, which is projected to reach 131 billion by 2028, there are significant purchases that occur after the initial purchase.

Speaker 2: such as accessories, parts, garments, fuel, service, and warranties that were not served by the installment lending model we have traditionally offered in PowerSports. Our dedicated platform team with combined experience across partners and products identified this opportunity to meet our customers' demand and drive still greater loyalty for dealers.

Speaker 2: This endorsement, which dates back to 2001, includes special features and offers for more than 159,000 dentist members and their patients. We also extended our 20-year relationship with the Academy of General Dentistry, remaining the exclusive patient financing solution for the benefits program of the Academy's more than 35,000 member dentists. These continued longstanding partnerships underscore the unique value that our integrated care credit offering delivers to both the providers and patients we support.

Speaker 2: And finally, we announced renewals across an array of partners this quarter in our home and auto platform, including with Haverde's and Lovesac.

Speaker 2: Synchrony's ability to grow and win new partners, as well as diversify our products, programs, and markets enables us to drive greater flexibility, utility, and value for our customers and partners alike, while also enhancing the resiliency of our business.

Speaker 2: In summary, I'm proud of the many ways in which Synchrony continues to meet our customer, wherever they are looking to make a purchase, a payment, or a deposit. As their needs and priorities continue to evolve, Synchrony is ready. Ready to deliver flexibility, value, and seamless experiences through more solutions and in our locations along with our industry leading partners.

Speaker 2: And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian .

Speaker 2: Thanks Brian , and good morning everyone. Synchrony's first quarter performance highlighted the continued strength of the consumer, paired with the power of our diversified sales platforms, compelling value propositions, and prudent financial position.

Speaker 2: consumers continue to deepen their engagement with our products.

Speaker 2: On a core basis, any loan receivables growth of 16% was fueled by 11% stronger purchase volume along with 3% higher spend per active account. The interest income increased 7% to $4.1 billion as the growth in loan receivables increased.

Speaker 2: and an increase in loan receivable yields drove 15% higher interest and fees. This was partially offset by the impact of the portfolio sold during the second quarter of 2022.

Speaker 2: On a core basis, interest and fees increased 23%, reflecting the impact of credit normalization as payment behavior trends toward pre-pandemic levels.

Speaker 2: Payroll rate for the first quarter when adjusting for last year portfolio sales was 16.7%, approximately 85 basis points lower than last year, and approximately 150 basis points higher than our five-year pre-pandemic historical average.

Speaker 2: First quarter net interest margin of 15.22% declined 58 basis points, primarily reflecting the higher impact of interest rates on our funding costs, partially offset by better yield trends.

Speaker 2: Loan receivables yield climbed 97 basis points and contributed 83 basis points to net interest margin.

Speaker 2: Incremental liquidity portfolio yields also contributed an additional 54 basis points.

Speaker 2: These gains were more than offset by higher interest-bearing liability costs, which increased 219 basis points to 3.43% and reduced net interest margin by 179 basis points.

Speaker 2: In our mix of interest-earning assets, we reduced net interest margin by approximately 16 basis points as we built liquidity to find the anticipated growth.

Speaker 2: RSAs of $917 million in the first quarter were 4.10% of average loan receivables.

Speaker 2: The $187 million decline from the prior year reflected the impact of portfolios sold in the second quarter of 2022 and higher net charge-offs.

Speaker 2: $187 million decline from the prior year reflected the impact of portfolios sold in the second quarter of 2022 and higher net charge-offs partially offset by higher net interest income.

Speaker 2: RRCs provide important alignment with our partners and continue to function as designed by providing a buffer to the financial results of the company and supporting greater stability in our returns.

Speaker 2: This was highlighted in the first quarter as RSA provided a buffer to increased net charge-offs and higher funding costs.

Speaker 2: Provision for credit losses was $1.3 billion for the quarter, which reflected higher net charge-offs and a $285 million reserve build.

Speaker 2: The bill included consideration for the potential macroeconomic effects of industry credit contraction and the potential impact on consumers, though we do not see any related impacts on our delinquency performance today. Other income decreased $43 million, driven primarily by higher loyalty costs, as well as the impact from investment gains and losses.

Speaker 2: partially offset by higher debt cancellation income. Other expenses increased 8% to $1.1 billion, primarily driven by higher employee costs, operational losses, and technology investments.

Speaker 2: Our efficiency ratio for the first quarter was 35% compared to 37.2% last year.

Speaker 2: In total, Synchrony generated first quarter net earnings of $601 million, or $1.35 per diluted share, delivering a return on average assets of 2.3% and a return on tangible common equity of 23.2%.

Speaker 2: Next, I'll cover our key credit trends on slide 8. We continue to see credit metrics performing in line with, or better than 2019 performance, as credit normalization continues at a measured pace. The liquidity rates remain at approximately 80% of pre-pandemic levels, and recent metrics continue to perform better than those.

Speaker 2: of 2018 or 2019. The continued tapering of accumulating consumer savings is contributing to a slow moderation of payment behavior towards pre-pandemic levels. As we noted last quarter, the trend of normalization has gradually shifted into higher credit rates, where balances tend to be larger. As a result, we saw payment rate declines over the prior quarter of approximately 30 basis points.

Speaker 2: while delinquencies and losses increased in line with our expectation. Our 30-plus delinquency rate was 3.81 percent compared to 2.78 percent last year or 4.92 percent in the first quarter of 2019.

Speaker 2: Our 90 plus delinquency rate was 1.87% versus 1.30% in the prior year or 2.51% in the first quarter of 2019.

Speaker 2: And our net charge-off rate increased to 4.49% from 2.73% last year, still approximately 100 basis points below our underwriting target of 5.5 to 6%.

Speaker 2: Our LOWS for credit losses as a percent alone receivables was 10.44% of 14 basis points from 10.30% in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2: The sequential increase in the reserve rate primarily affected the impact of the additional reserve discussed earlier and seasonally low over-sables. The allowance muscle reflex previously announced $294 million reduction of reserves, or troubled debt restrictions recorded through equity as we adapted updated accounting guidance.

Speaker 2: This guy introduced our reserve, coverage rate by approximately 30 basis points for the quarter. In the quarter, SyncReduce Management of Funding, Capital and Equity remained a source of strength.

Speaker 2: We said in maintaining appropriate target levels of common equity, liquidity, and reserves. We generally manage our funny tragedy to be industry neutral and to minimize duration risk. And the vast majority of our liquidity portfolios in cash and short-term U.S. treasuries largely maturing in under one year. So as depositors across the country navigate the uncertainty of several bank failures.

Speaker 2: and pronounce the positives during mid-March, Secret Bank was well positioned as a reliable source of stability for both our customers and our business. Our stable direct-to-consumer deposit base is largely insured with no concentrations in geographic areas or high-balance accounts.

Speaker 2: Our average depositor has banked with us for approximately five years and nearly 80% of our deposit balances are more than three years old. The foundation of this loyalty is Security Banks Award-winning platform and industry leading customer satisfaction scores.

Speaker 2: Depositors are attracted to our seamless digital first experience as well as our competitive rates

Speaker 2: In fact, as customers sought to either balance exposure to their banks or remix their balances to take advantage of available FDIC insurance limits during the last three weeks of March, Synchrony Bank saw a net deposit inflows of nearly $700 million as we generated double-digit account growth sequentially.

Speaker 2: This contributed to first quarter deposit growth of 17% versus last year and 2.7 billion sequentially to reach 74.4 billion dollars. At quarter end, over 91% of Secretary Bank direct deposits were fully insured.

Speaker 2: And in looking at April trends, Secretary Bank activity has returned to more seasonal flows held by continued growth in new accounts and deposits. Our deposit fees provide a strong foundation for our business, representing 83% of our total funding, and is complemented by our secured debt, which represented 7%, and 10% of our funding respectively, and increased by 1.7 billion versus the prior year.

Speaker 2: This increase included the issuance of 10 years of ordinated debt. An important milestone is we continue to more fully develop our capital stack and reach target capital levels. Total liquidity, including under on credit facilities, was $21.7 billion or 20.2% of our total assets of 148 basis points from last year.

Speaker 2: as we grew deposits and pre-funded our projective loan receivables growth. Moving on to discuss Synchrony's capital position. As we previously elected to take the benefit of the CECL transition rules issued by the joint banking agencies, Synchrony made its annual transitional adjustment of approximately 60 basis points to a regulatory capital metric in January .

Speaker 2: and we will continue each year until January of 2025.

Speaker 2: The impact of CECL has already been recognized in our income statement and balance sheet. Further, the TDR reserve reduction mentioned earlier was recognized net of tax inequity, adding approximately 25 basis points to our capital ratios. We ended the first quarter at 12.5% CEP1 under the CECL transition rules.

Speaker 2: 250 basis points lowered in last year's level of 15%. The Tier 1 capital ratio was 13.3% of the Cecil transition rules compared to 15.9% last year. The total capital ratio decreased 180 basis points to 15.4%.

Speaker 2: And the tier one capital plus reserves ratio on a fully phased in basis decreased to 22.5% compared to 24.5% last year. Synchrony continued our track record of robust capital returns in the first quarter. In total, we returned $500 million to shareholders, through $400 million of share of purchases and $100 million of common stock dividends.

Speaker 2: As a quarter end, our remaining sheriff purchase authorization for the period ending due 2023 was $300 million.

Speaker 2: Synchrony reigns well-positioned to continue to return capital to shareholders, as guided by our business performance, market conditions, regulatory restrictions, and subject to our capital plan. We'll also continue to seek opportunities to complete our fully developed capital structure to the issuance of additional preferred stocks.

Speaker 2: Finally, please refer to slide 12 of our presentation for more detail on our full year 2023 outlook.

Speaker 2: Overall, first quarter, Perchervine came in ahead of our expectations, which, when combined with slightly faster pain rate normalization than anticipated, we have a stronger receobles growth for the quarter. As a result, we now expect any receobles to grow by 10% or more by year end, although we anticipate pain rate ending the year well above pre-pandemic levels.

Speaker 2: We continue to expect an interest margin of 15 to 15.25%. This outlook reflects the benefit of favorable trends in our deposit betas and payment rates in the first quarter, balanced by anticipated impacts of the broader market uncertainty.

Speaker 2: These potential impacts include holding higher liquidity levels in anticipation of growth funding needs, as well as competitive dynamics within the industry that could lead to higher betas. Meanwhile, credit normalization continues on track in line with our expectations in terms of both our delinquency and loss trends.

Speaker 2: As a reminder, we expect delinquencies to continue to rise and approach pre-pandemic levels by mid-year. Net charge-off should follow a similar but lag progression relative to normalization and delinquencies.

Speaker 2: Lost dollars will rise through 2023, but will not reach fully normalized levels until approximately six months following the peak in delinquencies.

Speaker 2: As such, we continue to expect the net charge off rate for the full year 2023, a 4.75% to 5%. And there are portfolio will not reach a annual underwriting loss target range of 5.5% to 6% until 2024. Given our unchanged outlook for an interest margin in net charge loss, the RSA remains unchanged between 4 and 4.25% of average loan receipts.

Speaker 2: As conditions normalize, we remain on track to achieve our long-term financial operating targets. I'll now turn the call back over to Brian for his closing thoughts. Thanks, Brian . Synchrony's track record of execution reflects our differentiated approach to serving our customers and our partners, and the consistency that generates for our stakeholders.

Speaker 2: Over decades, through economic cycles and waves of innovation, we've prioritized strategies that deliver sustainable, long-term growth at attractive risk and justice returns.

Speaker 2: So as I look forward, I am confident in our ability to continue to adapt and deliver across environments, and I'm excited for the opportunities we see deliver on our objectives in the year ahead.

Speaker 1: With that, I'll turn the call back to Catherine and open up the Q&A. That concludes our prepared remarks. We will now begin the Q&A session.

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Speaker 2: We'll take our first question from Moshe Ornebuck.

Speaker 2: with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Great thanks and thanks to Brian and Brian . I guess the first question that I'd like to ask is you know given that you're now seeing you know this normalization of...

Speaker 2: profitability as you know you're going through this process of you know losses normalizing and you know you you do have you know the the the current economic outlook you know with the variability around it could you just talk a little bit about how you're thinking about growth in new accounts and the discussions that you're having with your partners

Speaker 2: both about your ability to continue to grow and how they're thinking about the RSA that they receive.

Speaker 2: Good morning, Mosha. So the conversation with the partners, they are most certainly looking to us.

Speaker 2: to help drive them new customers and to grow sales. The competitive retail environment is very difficult for them right now. And I think the ability for us to bring a multi-product facet to them is very enticing. Now we just continue to work with them about what the right placement is of the products. And when we think about the profitability, we are returning back to normal levels.

Speaker 2: Well, certainly the funding cost is higher than what we traditionally have seen historically. And they understand that. And they under, you know, the conversations around the RSA, they do recognize that they've benefited over the last couple of years with the downside of the market. And they're willing to participate. That's the economic arrangement we've had. And none of them are really pushing.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just add, Mocha, we talked about this in the past that I think in periods of uncertainty and clearly we're in a somewhat uncertain period right now, this is when we see our partners engage even more in the card programs. And that's great for us. You know, the level of engagement I would say across.

Speaker 2: Big partners and small partners have never been higher than it is right now. They're very engaged. They are working with us on really trying to understand what the consumer is doing, how they're going to behave over the next 12, 24 months. And we're seeing great engagement in the multi-product strategy as well.

Speaker 2: You know, that's something that we anchored on a couple years ago. A lot of momentum across the business on it. And I think as partners are kind of taking a step back and trying to figure out the macroeconomic environment and the consumer trends, they're also rethinking the financial products that they offer and kind of rationalizing their point of view.

Speaker 2: the actions that you've taken and others and the deposit kind of inflows that it seems like the opposite is happening, I guess. And maybe to just talk a little bit in more detail about what you're actually seeing and what it would take for things to either get better or worse from a deposit data standpoint from here.

Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Mochis. So as we entered the year, we anticipated our bait as to rise from the last year. You know, there was a shift.

Speaker 2: in the end of last year, we got highly competitive, particularly with some of the regional banks. So when you looked at our betas at the end of last year, they were roughly low to mid-70s on high yield savings and around 80% on CD's. As we came into 2023,

Speaker 2: We anticipated probably a 10 to 15 point beta rise in high yield savings and probably a 20 basis points or essentially 100% or more beta on CDs. That's how we came into the year. I'd say the market for the most part since the third week of December through the end of

Speaker 2: the first quarter was very rational, and the betas performed better than our expectation, right? So you look at betas now, they're probably mid-70s on savings and about 90 on CDs. Our outlook, though, Moshe, is what's baked into the NIM guidance, is that we still go back to those original points where you're gonna be mid-80s on high-yield savings and over 100 on CDs, just because of the fact that there may be other banks who have seen the positive outlook as me.

Speaker 2: Just start on the allowance given the accounting change. Can you maybe just remind us what's included from a macro perspective. And then second you talked about normalization still being 20 percent below and you gave us nice progression on the charges. But I guess given the backdrop plus the amount of growth you're anticipating how do you think about.

Speaker 2: delinquencies and charge us leveling off versus the risk of overshoot and just giving the impact of you know growth math and the softening macro backdrop? Thank you. Yeah let me try to unpack unpack that question Ryan. Good to talk to you this morning. So first when you think about the TDR account change this is one where where we like many others have chose retroactive treatment. So there was a reduction to the reserve that went you know net attacks through equity.

Speaker 2: on January 1st. As we came into the quarter, the reserve is fundamentally two things. One, the seasonal pay down and purchase, seasonal pay down was lower than our expectations, and then purchase volume was higher than our expectations, which gave us a greater asset position at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 2: led to the growth-driven reserve provision. When you think about the components of what's in the reserve from a macroeconomic standpoint, effectively,

Speaker 2: what we have in when you look all the way through the baseline model, through the qualitative reserves, our unemployment is effectively 6%. So isn't this reasonable forecastable period if unemployment stays below 6% we should not have rate-driven reserve provisions.

Speaker 2: Again, during this quarter, though, given the bank in turmoil on the potential contraction of credit, we did add to the macroeconomic overlay to deal with the potential filter effects to consumer. As I think about it stepping forward, what I'd say is we expect really generally growth-driven reserves, I mean, provisioning increases, and that should be in line with what we thought about.

Speaker 2: That said, we still believe that we're going to trend downward over time as we move out through the end of the year and into next year down to that adjusted Cecil day one reserve post.

Speaker 2: Got it. Thank you for the color. And maybe just on Capitol, Brian , you noted that you know you're well positioned to continue to return Capitol shareholders. At 12.5, you're obviously approaching the 11% target. Maybe just think about how you manage Capitol in this kind of environment given.

Speaker 2: Obviously pretty robust asset growth, but clearly the potential recession being on the horizon plus getting closer to targets. Maybe just talk about some of the puts and takes and how you're thinking about managing the capital base over an intermediate time frame.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Ryan, the thing I try to get, you know, try to convey is that when you run your loss stress testing models under these severe and idiosyncratic events, unemployment is up to 10%. So in theory, you go through and you run those stresses. So we look at, even if you had some form of recession that came about in the short to medium term.

Speaker 2: In theory, our capital provision and our buffers would be able to withstand that. So we don't necessarily look at that as something where we would sit back and say, we should stop or curtail some of the repurchases or the level of repurchases on its safe. So the economic event is really baked into.

Speaker 2: our capital forecast and our capital plan. As we think about the priorities, you know, you hit it right. The first thing we think about is the organic growth of the company. Second is dividends. And third comes down to whether or not we have inorganic opportunities and or share of purchases. So some of the cadence that might come about over the next couple of years, are there assets that come available that we want to deploy capital into?

Speaker 2: or something we need to do tonight. Thanks for all the color. Thanks Ryan. Have a good day.

Speaker 2: Thank you. Our next question will come from Erica Najarian with UBS.

Speaker 3: Hi, good morning. My first question is on the RSA, you know, at 4.1% and the quarter, I think that it was about 20 basis going slower than our consensus had. And as you think about normalizing credit for the rest of the year.

Speaker 2: Should we expect the rest of the year to be at the lower end of the range that you gave us, Brian ? Good morning, Erica. So again, we gave you the range of four to four and a quarter. It's going to really depend upon how net interest margin plays out when you think about the funding cost of the business. You know, losses again is in that same range as of course 75 to 5.

Speaker 2: So it's really going to play really on how the deposit betas play through and how that benchmark interest rates flow through to our partners, but we expect it to be in the four to four and a quarter.

Speaker 3: Got it. And I hate to ask about 24, but a lot of investors are now thinking about credit sensitive financials and trough earnings in a recession and expecting trough earnings to be occurring in 2024.

Speaker 3: So, as you think about the dynamics of your net charge off dollars reaching pre-pandemic levels in 2024, the potential for Fed cuts potentially supporting your margin as you reprice deposits down.

Speaker 3: How should your prospective and current investors think about the RSA in that environment? Because I think that investors think about the step function higher in that charge-offs. Is there a way for them to easily say, okay, here's the step function lower?

Speaker 2: on RSA in a recessionary year. That's unique to your stock. Yeah, thanks for the question. So first, let me just talk about credit for a second. We ended the quarter. If you look back at historical delinquency rates, we've been trending about 10 basis points a quarter.

Speaker 2: up on the normalization curve. And we ended fourth quarter of 22 at roughly 80%. We ended the first quarter of 23 at roughly between 75% and 77%. So credit is normalizing in a way in which we expected and to stay on that trajectory. As you slide into 24%, we expect the loss rate to move back to our underwriting part of that 5 and 1 2 to 6.

Speaker 2: You are dynamics that play through. You're right. If you believe you go back to that type of environment, which would have a slightly higher or more normalized unemployment rate, you're then going to see your payment rate come back in line, which should give you a tailwind relative to interest and fees. But then we also expect the prime rate and the interest bearing.

Speaker 2: liabilities cost to come down. Those all kind of work. You have two effective tailwinds, headwinds with metchargers. That goes all those backs through the RSA. So when you think about that, you have pluses and minuses. There could be a period of time which we dip below 4% for a quarter or two. And then you should come back and line with what I would think the longer term financial framework which we gave you, which is in that form.

Speaker 2: Real one is just noticing that you've had a good migration towards more use of co-brand and dual card. Ryan, you talked about kind of product expansion earlier in the call. I'm just wondering, given that migration, what are you seeing? Are you seeing any changes in customer activity?

Speaker 2: that are worth noting, and is that tied to product expansion, or is there other sources of that?

Speaker 2: Yeah, John , I'll start and then ask Brian to add some color. You know, I think, you know, the dual card co-brand strategy has been one that we've leaned on heavily, you know, over the last decade. And what we really like about it is, you know, the ability to migrate, you know, our best customers and our partners' best customers.

Speaker 2: above average growth in dual card and world sales, which is great for us, great for our partners as well.

you know, just taking a step back as we think about the multi-product strategy, it really is one that, you know, you could envision starting with, you know, at the kind of lower end of the spectrum, a secured card, buy now pay later.

shorter-term installment loan migrating into a revolving product PLCC and then ultimately into a dual card or a co-brand card. We think that strategy is a winning one. We think that economically to us when we think about the risk and return profile.

That allows us to cater to a very wide cross-section in terms of our partners' customers. And so that's where I think we've seen a real change in the last two or three years as we've been engaging with our partners on the multi-product strategy. A lot of engagement, a lot of momentum there, and I think that over time that's a winning strategy for us.

Maybe Brian just doubt what color if there's any changes in terms of the Yes, so remember generally as we always talk about the customers that seek our cards out are the most loyal customers of our partners, right? So they are they are engaged with that brand want the values back in that brand and when we look through to the categories of spend that we see keeping on the dual card

They're very consistent how they rank order and very sticky. So like our number one world's main category is bill pay. You think about top five, you have grocery in there, you have restaurants in there. Those are things in which are everyday type events that are sticky and continuous. And when they're earning benefits back into a brand in which they like, they're gonna continue to do that. So we look at transaction values and frequencies.

it's remained relatively consistent, which goes back to the point where we always talk about dual card. When you think about some of the other brands that are in there that may not necessarily be dual card but have wide utility and so our digital partners, we have a broad swath of this business that goes across multi set of categories.

Okay, that's very helpful color. And then Brian Wenzel, apologize if you gave some of this color on the prepared remarks. But any, I know you kept your guidance for NIM, for instance, in RSAs. But is there any seasonal considerations we should think about those?

over the course of the next couple quarters? Yeah, so again, there will be seasonal trends. Obviously, I think about charge off, you generally have a seasonal increase in the second quarter from charge offs on an interest margin basis. You'll have some seasonalities. We pre-fund some of the back end of the year growth into the first quarter into the liquidity profile.

you may see them come down and back up and charge off be a little bit higher in the second quarter. But I think when you look at charge offs, and it's important to note, the pace of acceleration that I highlighted just a couple minutes ago, that we're still at 80% of historical delinquency levels. And when you look at the delinquency increases, third quarter to fourth quarter, and then fourth quarter to first quarter, they have slowed. So again, on a dollar basis, because the iron's up, you'll see it in a receivable set of a seasonal low in the second quarter.

and then you'll see the receivers grow and the loss rate kind of flatten out to be down back after the year. And then anything with respect to NIM fluctuations? Just as part of that question. Yeah, so I try to hit on NIM, I apologize, John . With regard, you'll see a little bit of...

downward pressure in the second quarter and then comes back mainly for pre-funding for growth in the back half. And the only thing that I sit back and say that could potentially be a tailwind is whether or not if the betas that we're assuming do not come in the way we anticipate so they're more favorable so the funding costs don't go up as much that could be a-

Maybe to follow up on Moshe's question previously, obviously this cycle is very different from previous ones. I'm just curious if the dislocation in the regional banking space and the implications of it working through the economy might be assisting and sort of rethinking how you guys are underwriting. I know you mentioned Brian doubles the slower spending in the market.

through what was really the best credit environment in the history of financial services in the last two years, we didn't really take an opportunity to underwrite a lot deeper.

and that's important for us because consistency is really important to our partner. So, you know, in times, really good times like we had the last couple years.

we don't underwrite a lot deeper. And that's really done in the hopes that when things get a little bit uncertain or a little bit worse, that we don't have to pull back dramatically. That consistency is important to our partners and important to us. So we're not at this point...

anticipating significant underwriting changes. You know, we like how we're underwriting today. The consumer is still healthy. You know, we're expecting charge-offs to normalize back into our target range next year. So what we're seeing right now is still pretty comfortable in terms of the consumer trends.

So not anticipating anything significant at this point. Okay. And then a follow-up is, it sounds like a former partner of yours might be looking for change. I'm just curious.

of your appetite to take on large portfolios, uh, like that specific one. And obviously, the stock price is still very attractive here. I'm just considering, you know, thinking through the trade-offs here and sort of how you guys are looking at, uh, you know, the outlook for portfolio acquisitions and such. Thanks. Yeah, look, uh, nothing to share, uh, specifically on that situation. I just...

I don't want to speculate there. We're not party to that, obviously. I would say that we've got a great relationship with Sam's Club going back 25-plus years. Great alignment, great engagement and momentum on that program.

but nothing to really speculate on beyond that. I would say just kind of more generally, we're always in the market for large portfolio acquisitions. Start-up opportunities, we've got a very active B-process, big team working on it.

And so that's always an interest to us. What's important there though is we've talked about the path. You've got to have really good alignment. You've got to have the right balance of risk and return.

And I think that's important, you know, particularly in an environment like this where you're kind of heading into a period of uncertainty So we'll continue to stay very disciplined around risk and return.

particularly in an environment like this where you're kind of heading into a period of uncertainty. So we'll continue to stay very disciplined around risk and return. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you. Our next question comes from Betsy Grasek with Morgan Stanley . Hi. I just want to dig in a little bit more on NIM. I understand that the expectation on the forward look is it's going to bounce around, and I get that we're at the high end of the range right now on NIM. I did want to understand.

A, what kind of rate outlook is baked into your NIM guide and then B, if the mixed shift is going to materially change as you look through this year from what it was in 1K, thanks.

Yeah, good morning, Betsy. So they answer the first part of your question. We have a peak Fed funds rate of five and a quarter. So one more effective move from here. We do have some reductions again following the forward curve towards the latter part of the year, and that has...

I'd say a very small to encounter a financial effect on managers margin for the full year. With regard to your second point, you kind of think about mix of the business. I don't think you'll see issues necessarily this year with regard to next impact on the managers margin. Well, certainly over time, I think if you think...

pricing but that's not going to be a 2023 issue.

Okay, and then just as a follow-up, you spoke a little bit about loan growth and you did raise it from 8 to 10 to 10 plus, but at the same time you've got in the reserving discussion, you know, potential tighter lending standards from the industry. Could you just address how you're thinking about lending standards and is that...

is the increase in the loan growth that you're looking for? I mean, I would assume it's within the credit box that you've got, but maybe you could speak to what's driving that increase in loan growth and how your lending standards are playing into the outlook. Thanks. Yeah, so our underwriting today, again, we're always making some level of refinements really around partner channel performance and whether or not we're hitting the rate risk-adjusted returns. So we're constantly, you know, looking at that, and our credit team is focused on it every day.

at or better than what we saw pre-pandemic. The pre-pandemic book is performing consistent with how it kind of entered the pandemic. So we really don't see any broad-based deterioration. When you look at entry rates and flows, it's not something where we are taking, well, I'd say broad-based actions, opening the box or closing the box. Again, we don't use that as really a growth lever.

like some issue is due, but for us it's going to be much more consistent. With regard to how you think about the long road being higher, there's two things. One, we are seeing greater utilization of our cards by consumers, and we are seeing a slightly

Those two things are driving, what is the growth in the first quarter? We expect that to continue somewhat through the back half of, or for the remainder of 2023. So that's how I think about their long growth being up. Again, what you may see if the economy does slow faster, what you should see, or you may see, is payment rates to slow faster.

And then you can see purchase volume taper down a little bit. Now again, I think you have to look at dollars here because I think last year you're going to start copying the post-omnicomp period, which is a tougher comp for all of us. So again, I think about it as being more adoption and utilization of our cards and then two, payment rate driving the growth, 9,900 underwriting.

purchased by a paper down a little bit. Now again, I think it gets a look at dollars here because I think last year you're going to start copying the post on the Comp period, which is a tougher comp for all of us. So again, I think about as being more adoption and utilization of our cards and into payment or you're driving the growth not on the ready. Okay, thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Pancarri with Evercore. Good morning. Good morning. On the charge-off expectation, I know you kept it unchanged at 475 to 5 percent, and you don't expect it to reach the more normalized level till 2024. Can you just give us a little more granularity on where you are seeing mounting stress and more product areas and vintages specifically? Is it still the more recent vintages?

And we did a continued expansion across income cohorts. I believe you mentioned that earlier. But just want to get a little more clarity on that. Thanks. Yeah, I wouldn't use the term stresses. I don't think we are seeing stresses in there. I think what we're seeing is the return to more pre-pandemic levels. And I think what you start to see is in the credit grades.

of the prime and super prime customers, they were well below historical averages, mainly because they benefited during the pandemic period, whether they got stimulus, lower spending, lower ability to spend, and now they're using up some of that accumulated savings.

They are returning back to what I'd say pre-pandemic levels of performance. That is on performance on pinnacle, performance on spending, and performance as entry into delinquency and rules through. So, I wouldn't say it's stress that I just sit there and say, you see these consumers migrating back to past behaviors. And that's across the portfolio that's not necessarily...

in one set of advantages or another. So that's how I kind of think about the credit development with regard to that. With regard to the delinquency performance, again, what you're seeing right now is a very favorable entry rate into the delinquency you're seeing fairly good front-end collections. The back-end collections are pretty weak because you don't have the normal flows through delinquency yet.

What you'd expect to see is inter-rate to rise a little bit, your front NCEs to maybe deteriorate a little bit, and the back NCEs to rise as you put more volume through the collection challenge. But we have not seen that yet in our performance, but that's what we expect to materialize over the coming remainder of 2023 and into 2024. Got it. OK. Thank you. And then just getting back to Ryan Nash.

question on the reserve just to confirm again that the addition this quarter was more growth driven and the team rate driven and as you look at the outlook if the unemployment rate remains as in your expectation you know at that below to 6% level you would expect.

a migration lower in the reserve ratio from here. Is that correct? Yes, the way, and just to be clear, the majority of the reserve for the quarter is growth driven. There was an addition to the macroeconomic overlay that said, listen, you have banking turmoil.

There could be a contraction of credit at some of these institutions, which will then have an effect in the economy and onto the consumer. So we provided for that. Again, the majority of it was growth driven because the assets came in higher than our expectation. I think as long as we continue to progress on the macroeconomic assumptions, we will

All right, thank you.

Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Our next question comes from Dominic Gabrielle with Oppenheimer.

Hey, great. Thanks so much for taking my questions. I guess when you think about the pacing of net charge offs, given what you've talked about, and then your assumption on the reserve, if you think about timing of wherever your peak loss rate occurs.

and the potential for reserve releases. I know you've talked about this, but is there a period of time where you decide, hey, it's still cloudy out there, we can't release reserves just yet, and charge-offs are rising? Or do you think you release reserves as charge-offs are rising the entire time? I know that's a tough one. I got to follow up. Thanks.

Yeah, good morning, Tom. You know, what's interesting about Cecil is, in theory, what it tells you is, if you see your peak losses inside of your, your, your, you know, reasonable, supportable period, in theory, you can begin to release reserves prior to peak losses, which I think is very in common for the industry, but that's a, a, a byproduct of Cecil.

So there could be a situation where we release reserves, even though we have not gotten to peak losses, because you'll hit the peak and then begin to come down in that forecasting period. We haven't seen that yet. We don't contemplate that in how we look at 2023, and we'll have to...

You know, get back to you as we think about 2024 and have the frequency plays out for a meter of the share. Great. Thank you so much. And then just, you know, we haven't talked about the efficiency ratio just yet on the call. And obviously, you guys are seeing some some pretty hefty, really nice core efficiency ratio game zero over here.

I'm wondering about, you know, as you think about over the longer term, you've kind of set up some goals. How kind of the changes in macro environment that you see today included in some of your reserves, has that changed where the efficiency ratio trend could go? By any chance, thanks.

Yeah, no, great question. We don't think the current environment changes our long-term framework beginning down to that 32 to 33 percent, which is I think best in class when it comes to efficiency ratio. I think one of the things that Brian and Margaret did is during the pandemic they drove us to drive digital efficiencies in our collections and in sourcing a lot of things that drove.

productivity. Again. The efficiency ratio is negatively impacted with with the decline in interest in fee yield. But again as we drive those efficiencies and get operating leverage and Brian and I are committed to delivering operating leverage as we step through the periods that should bring us back into that long term framework. And again if the macro environment gets tougher I think the investments we've made.

digitally with regard to our collections activities, but across our entire business, we'll help to bolster that where we can control expenses. This would be a very different play than what happened back in the great financial crisis, where you threw a lot of bodies at it and just started calling people all day. That's not what would happen even under any form of recession.

regard to our collections activities, but across our entire business, will help to bolster that where we can control expenses. This would be a very different play than what happened back in the great financial crisis where you do a lot about it and just started calling people all day. That's not what would happen even under any form of recession. Thanks so much.

Thanks everybody. Thank you. We have time for one last question. That question will come from David Scharf with JMP Securities. Great. Good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in here. First one for Brian Doubles, maybe just a clarification. I don't believe I heard or read anything in your releases regarding the status of your capital plan that was submitted last month. Is there any updates you can provide?

on kind of status timing and perhaps directional, um, you know, help on magnitude? Thanks, Dave. Why don't I take that question? We did submit our capital plan. It went through our same process. We actually included some additional stresses, given some of the developments in the first quarter, into that capital plan. It was approved by our board, and we submitted it to our regulators, you know, on target with...

you know, past years. Again, they go through that and provide what we believe will be a non-objection to that. That non-objection can come anywhere from later this month into May based upon their timing and how long it takes to get through that. So we don't anticipate given the capital plan on what we put in that that...

anything to read into that other than they're just working through their process and we'll be back probably later April And may to kind of soon as we as soon as we get it. We'll let people know through that with regard to the magnitude of it. Unfortunately, I can't really comment until we get our non objection from our regulators.

Yeah, understood. And just as a follow-up question, you know, wondering if there's any color you can provide on your assessment of...

competition right now, whether you sense there's been any sort of, you know, greater than expected pullback and maybe direct mail marketing by, you know, some of those who typically, you know, would view as primary competitors, whether, you know, just a general purpose.

or a kind of point of sale. And I guess along those lines, you know, you know that your kind of higher quality credits were transacting more frequently at larger, you know, average purchase sizes. You know, given all the discussion of macro uncertainty, is there anything that ever tells you that...

Now is the time to consolidate market share in various FICO pans if you see various pullbacks by competitors. Or is the environment pretty stable relative to the last few quarters? Yeah, so look, I would say it's still a pretty competitive environment out there. I think it's a little bifurcated. I think the more established players

case anytime you enter a period like this.

Nobody is sacked in a credit environment like we've experienced for the last couple of years and that's encouraging. So pretty good discipline. I do think you've seen some of the Fintech players and some of the newer players pull back a bit. I do think direct consumer, direct mail, some of that will pull back a little bit. midnight by.

You know, generally in our core space, it's still pretty competitive out there, but with pretty good discipline. Got it. Thank you very much. Yep. Thanks. Thank you. This concludes today's SECRIN EADS Earnings Conference call. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day.