Q1 2023 Hubbel Inc Earnings Call
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I'll now turn the call over to your host Mr will Mcdowell, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Mcdonald you may begin.
As a reminder, today's program is being recorded and now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Dan Amaretto, Vice President Investor Relations. Please go ahead Sir.
As a reminder, today's program is being recorded and now I would like to introduce your host for today's program, Dan Amaretto, Vice President Investor Relations. Please go ahead Sir.
Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining today's call I am will Mcdowell Vice President of Investor Relations. We're pleased to have you join us for a discussion of Tennant's first quarter 2023 results as well as the discussion of our financial outlook.
Thanks, operator, good morning, everyone and thank you for joining US earlier. This morning, we issued a press release announcing our results for the first quarter of 2023 press release. The slides are posted to the investors section of our website at <unk> Dot Com I'm joined today by our chairman President and CEO, Kevin Barker, Our executive Vice President and CFO Bill Sperry. Please note our comments this morning may.
Thanks, operator, good morning, everyone and thank you for joining US earlier. This morning, we issued a press release announcing our results for the first quarter of 2023 press release and slides are posted to the investors section of our website at <unk> Dot com and I'm joined today by our chairman President and CEO, Kevin Barker, Our executive Vice President and CFO Bill Sperry. Please note our comments this morning.
Tenant senior management participating in today's call will be Dr. <unk>, <unk>, Chief Executive Officer, and Dan can sell me executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Our webcast. This morning includes a slide presentation, which has been posted to the Investor Relations section of our website tenant health Dot com.
Include statements related to the expected future results of our company and are forward looking statements as defined by the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1095.
They include statements related to the expected future results of our company and are forward looking statements as defined by the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1095.
Listeners to this call are advised that certain statements made during our discussion today are forward looking and represent managements expectations based on currently available information actual results and plans could differ materially.
Please note the discussion of forward looking statements in our press release and consider it incorporated by reference into this call. Additionally comments May also include non-GAAP financial measures. Those measures are reconciled to the comparable GAAP measures and are included in the press release and slides now let me turn the call over to garden.
Therefore, please note the discussion of forward looking statements in our press release and consider it incorporated by reference into this call. Additionally comments may also include non-GAAP financial measures.
Tenet is under no obligation to update any forward looking statements based on subsequent information investors should take note of the cautionary statement slide included in today's presentation as well as the risk factors discussed in our most recent Form 10-K and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission with that I'll turn the call over to song.
Measures are reconciled to the comparable GAAP measures and are included in the press release and slides now let me turn the call over to garden.
Great. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss <unk> first quarter 2023 results.
Great. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss <unk> first quarter 2023 results.
<unk> is off to a strong start to the year, our first quarter results exceeded our expectations driven primarily by three factors stronger stick rates and realization on incremental price actions.
Pablo is off to a strong start to the year.
Our first quarter results exceeded our expectations driven primarily by three factors.
Thank you will and good morning, everyone.
To a nice start for 2023 strong volume support good results in all three business units Uspi's performance continues to accelerate given our focus on organic growth and is ahead of our expectations. So far in.
Stronger stick rates and realization on incremental price actions affair.
Effective ramp up of recent capacity investments and improved operational productivity.
Effective ramp up of recent capacity investments and improved operational productivity.
In the first quarter, we delivered net operating revenues of $5 billion and consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $832 million, which translates into an attractive 16, 6% margin as.
We are raising our full year outlook. This morning to account for this outperformance, while maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities as we navigate a more uncertain second half.
We are raising our full year outlook. This morning to account for this outperformance, while maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities as we navigate a more uncertain second half.
As a result of our strong performance in the first quarter. We are now raising our full year guidance, which demonstrates the confidence we have in our operations.
Our investments in capacity innovation and productivity are yielding strong returns and enabling us to effectively serve strong customer demand for hubble's critical infrastructure solutions.
Our investments in capacity innovation and productivity are yielding strong returns and enabling us to effectively serve strong customer demand for hubble's critical infrastructure solutions.
Across our businesses a post pandemic environment is taking shape COVID-19 admissions are down a wider range of acuity is returning to the hospitals deferred Gi procedures are returning and our workforce is starting to stabilize.
Most notably utilities continued to actively harden and upgrade aging infrastructure, while also investing to facilitate renewables and electrification through new interconnections and enhanced smart grid applications.
Most notably utilities continued to actively harden and upgrade aging infrastructure, while also investing to facilitate renewables and electrification through new interconnections and enhanced smart grid applications.
We have anticipated this for some time and our strategy operating efficiency and capital discipline enable us to deliver attractive performance in this environment.
We achieved double digit sales growth in the first quarter as improved production output enabled continued volume growth, while leading service levels supported continued demand strength and price realization.
We achieved double digit sales growth in the first quarter as improved production output enabled continued volume growth, while leading service levels supported continued demand strength and price realization.
We had a great quarter, USPI with $340 million and adjusted EBITDA, which represents 21% growth over first quarter 2022 same facility cases grew seven 9% and adjusted EBITDA margins were strong at 37, 6%.
Operationally, we achieved over 600 basis points of adjusted operating margin expansion in the quarter driven by favorable price cost and productivity. In addition to volume growth.
Operationally, we achieved over 600 basis points of adjusted operating margin expansion in the quarter driven by favorable price cost and productivity. In addition to volume growth.
As I've said before the continued migration of procedural services into the ambulatory setting is a sustained and significant tailwind for our business.
While utility solutions continued to perform exceptionally well in a strong market environment. We are also very pleased with the operating performance of electrical solutions, which achieved strong margin expansion and a more modest market backdrop.
While utility solutions continued to perform exceptionally well in a strong market environment. We are also very pleased with the operating performance of electrical solutions, which achieved strong margin expansion and a more modest market backdrop.
Growth in our active physician population as well as higher acuity service line expansion, especially Gi urology anti in orthopedic cases drove the first quarter volume strength.
We're executing well in our strategy to compete collectively as a unified Acs operating segments I will talk more about that later.
We're executing well in our strategy to compete collectively as a unified Acs operating segments I will talk more about that later.
We are pleased to have our organic growth initiatives, gaining traction and bearing fruit.
Before I turn it over to Bill to give you more details on our financial performance in the quarter I want to highlight a few recent accomplishments, which demonstrate that our strategy and the investments we are making into our business are driving value for all our key stakeholders.
Before I turn it over to Bill to give you more details on our financial performance in the quarter I want to highlight a few recent accomplishments, which demonstrate that our strategy and the investments we are making into our business are driving value for all our key stakeholders.
Our USPI development pipeline remains active and healthy we added three new centers in the quarter. We completed two additional post transaction by ups in the quarter at multiples unchanged from prior by ups progress continues in this area.
First hubbell power systems and burn we are proud to have been named supplier of the year by two of our largest electrical distributors in 2022.
First hubbell power systems and burn we are proud to have been named supplier of the year by two of our largest electrical distributors in 2022.
As previously discussed USPI M&A engine under the tenant umbrella is an industry leading differentiator.
With strong demand and tight supply chains, and the utility T&D and industrial markets delivering on commitments to get customers the product they need when they need it while maintaining consistent quality reliability and service is critically important.
With strong demand and tight supply chain and the utility T&D and industrial markets delivering on commitments to get customers the product they need when they need it while maintaining consistent quality reliability and service is critically important.
We continue to drive post synergy multiples for many of our acquisitions to below five times, we intend to invest approximately $250 million in ambulatory M&A each year and have a robust pipeline to support that level of investment.
While the supply chain environment remains challenging our ability to execute and our willingness to invest in production capacity and working capital has helped strengthen our long term relationships with major customers.
The supply chain environment remains challenging our ability to execute and our willingness to invest in production capacity and working capital has helped strengthen our long term relationships with major customers.
We are also energized by the level of de Novo activity in the USPI pipeline with over 25 centers currently in syndication stages or under construction.
In our electrical segment. We're also pleased to have been recognized with product of the year Award by a major trade publication for two innovative product launches.
In our electrical segment. We're also pleased to have been recognized with product of the year Award by a major trade publication for two innovative product launches etch.
USPI is the preferred partner for high quality physicians as demonstrated by our organic growth and development pipeline.
The linkage to our hospital business creates a superior platform of management talent and significant scale benefits.
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Turning to our hospital segment, we generated $405 million of adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter of 2023.
Eliminating the need for installation tools and delivering 80% labor savings for installers.
Eliminating the need for installation tools and delivering 80% labor savings for installers.
Furnish quick share bolt is a new product for solar and wind markets, which eliminates the need for compression tooling and manual torque wrenches, simplifying conductor installation and saving the contract our time in the field.
Furnish quick share bolt is a new product for solar and wind markets, which eliminates the need for compression tooling and manual torque wrenches, simplifying conductor installation and saving the contract our time in the field.
Same store hospital adjusted admissions grew six 7% and ER volumes grew four 8% over the first quarter in 2022.
On a non COVID-19 basis same store inpatient admissions were up 14% acute.
These are just a couple of examples of the investments, we're making into innovation to accelerate hubbell's organic growth profile and core markets as well as strategic growth verticals.
These are just a couple of examples of the investments, we're making into innovation to accelerate hubbell's organic growth profile and core markets as well as strategic growth verticals.
Acuity levels remained strong as our case mix index has grown at a 3% compounded annual growth rate.
Since 2019.
And finally for the third consecutive year Hull was named one of the world's most ethical companies by Ethisphere, a distinction that recognizes all of our employees for their dedication and upholding our core values each and everyday.
And finally for the third consecutive year Hull was named one of the world's most ethical companies by Ethisphere, a distinction that recognizes all of our employees for their dedication and upholding our core values each and everyday.
We continue to expand access to high acuity specialty services across our hospitals and enable access to cutting edge clinical technologies in the first quarter. We maintained our focus on cardiovascular neurosciences specialty surgical services trauma and women's health.
One aspect of those core values is our commitment to sustainability and as many of you will have seen in March we released our annual sustainability report with refreshed multiyear goals to substantially reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
One aspect of those core values is our commitment to sustainability and as many of you will have seen in March we released our annual sustainability report with refreshed multiyear goals to substantially reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
A few examples include a new noninvasive focused ultrasound technology to treat Alzheimer's patients at our Delray Medical Center certification of our Resolute Baptist Hospital as a joint Commission advanced primary stroke Center and the achievement of a level one trauma designation at our desert Regional Medical center, which enables us.
Water usage and hazardous waste by 'twenty three.
Water usage and hazardous waste by 'twenty three.
These new Gold's supersede our initial 2025 goals, which we achieved ahead of schedule.
These new Gold's supersede our initial 2025 goals, which we achieved ahead of schedule.
Sustainability is a core component of our business strategy not just in our own manufacturing and operations, but through the impact of our products and making critical infrastructure safer more reliable and more efficient.
Sustainability is a core component of our business strategy not just in our own manufacturing and operations, but through the impact of our products and making critical infrastructure safer more reliable and more efficient.
To provide total care for nearly every aspect of injury across a broad region of the southwestern United States.
Our workforce is getting stronger investments in 2022, and pay and benefits of reduced turnover and the pace of first quarter 2023 nurse hiring continues to accelerate.
We continue to accelerate our investments in areas like T&D infrastructure renewables utility automation electric vehicles and broadband communications.
We continue to accelerate our investments in areas like T&D infrastructure renewables utility automation electric vehicles and broadband communications.
This helped to further reduce our contract labor costs in the first quarter of 2023.
Each of which offer attractive growth opportunities for our shareholders, while enabling humbled to further its mission to energize and electrify our economy and our communities in front and behind the meter.
Each of which offer attractive growth opportunities for our shareholders, while enabling humbled to further its mission to energize and electrify our economy and our communities in front and behind the meter.
All in all our hospitals have had a nice start to the year.
Conifer continues to perform well for its clients and deliver strong margins ongoing technology automation and offshoring initiatives support that performance third party revenue was up three 8% in the quarter and cash collection performance was strong in the quarter, helping to drive tenants days outstanding.
Now, let me turn it over to Bill to give you some more details on our performance.
Now, let me turn it over to Bill to give you some more details on our performance.
Thank you <unk> and good morning, everybody I appreciate your interest in Hubbell.
Thank you <unk> and good morning, everybody I appreciate your interest in Hubbell.
Wanted to start by reminding us when we were together in January talking about our full year outlook.
Wanted to start by reminding us when we were together in January talking about our full year outlook.
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We established a couple of them.
We established a couple of them.
Conifer continues to ramp up commercial activities with a strong sales pipeline for 2023.
The important components of our framework of that outlook.
The important components of our framework of that outlook.
First is that we were confident in our end markets that they would outgrow GDP function of some of the key electrification megatrends we.
First is that we were confident in our end markets that they would outgrow GDP function of some of the key electrification megatrends.
Looking forward, we are raising our full year 23, adjusted EBITDA guidance by $50 million at the midpoint to a range of $3. Two 1 billion to $3 four 1 billion, our management discipline operational excellence and ongoing investments in talent have enabled a strong start to the year and we remain focused on axa.
We are confident that we were well positioned in those end markets with brands and solutions and people processing technology to continue to satisfy and service the customer.
We were confident that we were well positioned in those end markets with brands and solutions and people processing technology to continue to satisfy and service the customer.
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We felt that our pricing, which is in response to a couple of year impact of some inflation.
We felt that our pricing, which is in response to a couple of year impact of some inflation.
At USPI strong margins organic growth tailwind and inherent capital efficiencies generate significant free cash flow.
Had a set up well for 2023 with a couple of points of wrap around.
Had a set up well for 2023 with a couple of points of wrap around.
<unk> to add centers with strong margins and attractive post synergy multiples remains a great use of cash for investments to enhance tennant's free cash flow. These.
And we also stated that.
And we also stated that.
Our visibility to the first half was better than the second half and so it was important for us to get off to a good start.
Our visibility to the first half was better than the second half and so it was important for us to get off to a good start in.
These cash flows will enable us to further grow deleveraged, the balance sheet and return capital to shareholders in the future.
And with that Dan will provide a more detailed review of our financial results Dan.
We were trying to be explicit that we had a front half loaded.
We were trying to be explicit.
We had a front half loaded.
Thanks, Tom and good morning, everyone. Our financial results in the first quarter were strong with our USPI and hospital as adjusted EBITDA and same store volumes and revenues well above our expectations.
Outlook as a result of that second half uncertainty and as carbon in my comments I'm starting on page five of the materials.
Outlook as a result of that second half uncertainty and as <unk> said in my comments I'm starting on page five of the materials.
We exceeded our expectations significantly in the quarter.
We exceeded our expectations significantly in the quarter.
In the quarter, we generated consolidated adjusted EBITDA.
Sales of $1 $2 9 billion.
Sales of $1 $2 9 billion.
$832 million above the high end of our first quarter guidance range.
11% growth.
11% growth.
Was the sixth consecutive quarter of double digit growth in sales for us I think pretty good indication.
Was the sixth consecutive quarter of double digit growth in sales for us I think pretty good indication.
Our results were driven by strong same store revenues and volumes continued high patient acuity for non COVID-19 patients and effective cost control.
Solid demand out there.
Solid demand out there.
Now I'd like to highlight a few key items for each of our segments, let's start with USPI, which delivered strong growth and continues to provide high quality care to our patients.
As a front half loaded.
Right now that demand has notably.
Right now that demand has notably.
Outlook as a result of that second half uncertainty and as <unk> said in my comments I'm starting on page five of the materials.
Skewed towards the utility side of our business versus the electrical and we'll talk a little bit more about that as we impact the results.
Skewed towards the utility side of our business versus the electrical and.
We'll talk a little bit more about that as we impact the results.
We exceeded our expectations significantly in the quarter.
In the quarter USPI produced a seven 9% increase in same facility surgical cases compared to last year.
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You see sales of $1 $2 9 billion.
Kind of a milestone achievement for us.
With strong growth in Gi urology, E&P and orthopedic cases.
Kind of a milestone achievement for us.
11% growth.
And really driven by some of the price cost drivers that.
And really driven by some of the price cost drivers that.
Was the sixth consecutive quarter of double digit growth in sales for us I think pretty good indication.
Surgical cases were 107% of prepaying demick levels in the quarter.
Productivity that curve and had mentioned.
And productivity that curve and had mentioned.
<unk> adjusted EBITDA grew 21% compared to the first quarter of 'twenty, two and its margins continue to be very strong at 37, 6%.
Earnings up 70% to $3 61.
Earnings up 70% to $3 61.
Solid demand out there.
Right now that demand has notably skewed towards the utility side of our business versus the electrical and we'll talk a little bit more about that as we impact results.
Nearly $1 50, almost of new earnings generated versus the prior year period end.
Nearly $1 50, almost of new earnings generated versus the prior year period.
We are pleased with Uspi's excellent start to the year. This strong performance is a testament to the attractiveness of the portfolio and value that we provide to our stakeholders.
Cash flow. This is typically a seasonal low for us at the very beginning first quarter.
Cash flow. This is typically a seasonal low for us at the very beginning first quarter.
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But a nice amount of cash being generated because.
That 20% level.
Turning to our acute care hospital business.
Kind of a milestone achievement for us.
The income.
The income.
That would be generated.
That would be generated.
First quarter same hospital adjusted admissions increased six 7% compared to the first quarter of last year.
So on page six.
And really driven by some of the price cost drivers that.
So on page six.
Drill down a layer into that to that strong.
Drill down a layer into that into that strong performance starting in the upper left with sales the.
Productivity of that curve and Ed mentioned.
<unk> performance starting in the upper left with sales.
Total same hospital inpatient admissions increased four 3%.
Earnings up 70% to $3 61.
The 11% growth.
The 11% growth.
While non COVID-19 admissions increased 14%.
Is comprised of high single digit price increase and low single digit volume increase.
Comprised of high single digit price increase.
Nearly $1 50, almost of new earnings generated versus the prior year period and <unk>.
And low single digit volume increase.
Our labor management continues to be very effective despite the cost pressures, especially temporary contract nurse staffing costs.
The volume varied by segment, where that was quite flat and electrical end and very strong growth in utility.
The volume varied by segment where that was.
Cash flow. This is typically a seasonal low for us at the very beginning first quarter.
Quite flat and electrical end and very strong growth in utility.
On a consolidated basis contract labor costs were 6% of SWM B, a significant decline from seven 3% in the fourth quarter 2022.
But a nice amount of cash being generated because.
The LP on the upper right.
The LP on the upper right.
The income.
You see an increase to $267 million of op.
You see an increase to $267 million of op.
That we generated.
So on page six.
Total hospital costs were well managed in the quarter as these costs were two 7% lower than first quarter 2022 on a per adjusted admission basis. When you exclude the impact in the prior year from a $69 million gain on sale of medical office buildings.
66% increase over the prior year.
Drill down a layer into that into that strong performance starting in the upper left with sales the.
66% increase over the prior year.
And again at that 20% benchmark level.
And again at that 20% benchmark level.
The 11% growth.
Earnings per share grew just a little bit more than the operating profit driven obviously by that profit, but also taxes were just slightly.
Earnings per share grew just a little bit more than the operating profit driven obviously by that profit, but also taxes were just slightly.
Comprised of high single digit price increase.
And low single digit volume increase.
<unk> cost per adjusted admission were down five 4% compared to first quarter last year.
The volume varied by segment, where I was quite flat and electrical end and very strong growth in utility.
Slightly lower this period ends on the net interest expense line, we have our.
Slightly lower this period ends on the net interest expense line, we have our <unk>.
Our <unk> costs as a percent of revenue were 45% in the quarter.
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Interest costs in the form of our bonds are fixed versus the cash we have earns variable rates and with rates rising we earned more income so reduced net interest expense. So it got a little bit favorability below the line inside of earnings.
Interest costs in the form of our bonds are fixed versus the cash we have earns variable rates.
You see an increase to $267 million of op.
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66% increase over the prior year.
With rates rising.
We earned more income so reduced the net interest expense. So it got a little bit favorability below the line and inside of earnings.
And again at that 20% benchmark level.
Our case mix and revenue yield remained strong as we continue our strategic focus on investments and higher acuity higher margin service lines.
Earnings per share grew just a little bit more than the operating profit.
The cash flow there you can see the compare to last year.
The cash flow there you can see the compare to last year right above it youll see the amount of income becoming more cash flow.
Our case mix index in the quarter has grown at a 3% CAGR since 2019 before the pandemic.
Right above it youll see the amount of income becoming more cash flow.
Driven obviously by that profit, but also taxes were just slightly.
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Quite important for us to have the cash to leave us in a position where we are poised to support our investment.
Quite important for us to have the cash to leave us in a position where we are poised to support our investment.
Our hospitals first quarter results included $27 million of insurance proceeds received related to last year's cyber security incident.
Interest costs in the form of our bonds are fixed versus the cash we have earns variable rates and.
We are keen to.
We are keen to.
As we previously disclosed our guidance reflected $10 million of these recoveries in the quarter.
Continued to increase Capex, we think there's excellent growth opportunities for us on the utility side and continues to be good productivity opportunity on the electrical side.
Continued to increase Capex, we think there's excellent growth opportunities for us on the utility side and continues to be good productivity opportunity on the electrical side.
With rates rising.
Which were received in January .
We earned more income so reduced net interest expense so it got a little bit favorability below the line and inside of earnings.
As a reminder, in the first quarter of last year, we recorded a $69 million gain on the sale of medical office buildings, as well as $31 million of Texas Medicaid revenue that related to 2021.
As well as to half.
As well as to half.
More capital to support investing in acquisitions, and we will talk about a couple of the acquisitions, we've done and how they are doing since we brought them on.
More capital to support investing in acquisitions, and we will talk about a couple of the acquisitions, we've done and how theyre doing since we've brought them on.
The cash flow there you can see the compare to last year right above it you'll see the amount of income becoming more cash flow.
Let's now turn to conifer, which again delivered a solid quarter.
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Quite important for us to have the cash to leave us in a position where we are poised to support our investment.
Unpack those results by.
Pack those results by.
By segment and you will see different profile here as we go through.
By segment and Youll see different profile here as we go through.
Conifer produced first quarter, adjusted EBITDA of $87 million and a strong margin of approximately 27%.
Utility right now is the engine driving the Hubble enterprise.
Utility right now is the engine driving the Hubble enterprise.
We are keen to.
Also conifer generated three 8% growth in revenue from external clients compared to the first quarter last year.
Continue to increased Capex, we think there's excellent growth opportunities for us on the utility side and continues to be good productivity opportunity on the electrical side.
We find ourselves with a very constructive set of market dynamics, coupled with a really excellent positioning.
We find ourselves with a very constructive set of market dynamics, coupled with a really excellent positioning.
Overall, we're off to a good start to the year in each of our businesses.
And our best in class, leading franchise that we've constructed.
And our best in class, leading franchise that we've constructed.
As well as to half.
More capital to support investing in acquisitions, and we will talk about a couple of the acquisitions, we've done and how they are doing since we brought them on.
Now, let's review, our cash flows balance sheet and capital structure.
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Over the decades here.
At the end of the quarter, we had $766 million of cash on hand, and no borrowings outstanding under our $1 5 billion line of credit facility.
With components communications.
With components communications.
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And controls really from the backbone to the edge.
And controls really from the backbone to the edge.
Pack those results by.
By segment and Youll see different profile here as we go through.
We generated $214 million of free cash flow in the quarter.
A really really strong franchises performing really well in these market conditions, so starting with sales the 20% growth in sales to $782 million.
A really really strong franchises performing really well in these market conditions, so starting with sales the 20% growth in sales to $782 million.
Utility right now is the engine driving the Hubble enterprise.
As a reminder, the first quarter is oftentimes, our softest cash flow generating quarter due to certain annual working capital requirements, such as our annual 401, K matching contributions for our employees and annual incentive compensation payments.
We find ourselves with a very constructive set of market dynamics coupled with.
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Really excellent positioning.
Roughly half from price increase.
Roughly half from price increase.
And our best in class, leading franchise that we've constructed.
Half from volume gains.
Half from volume gains.
Conifer produces strong cash collection performance in the first quarter, which resulted in a two day improvement in our days in AR.
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The volume was skewed more towards the transmission and distribution component side versus the comms and control side.
The volume was skewed more towards the transmission and distribution component side versus the comms and control side.
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Also during the quarter, we repurchased approximately 906000 shares of our stock for $50 million as part of our $1 billion share repurchase program.
And controls really from the backbone to the edge.
We feel that the.
We feel that the capex that we've been investing to add capacity has allowed us.
Capex that we've been investing to add capacity has allowed us.
A really really strong franchises performing really well in these market conditions, so starting with sales the 20% growth in sales to $782 million.
To grow sequentially and year over year.
To grow sequentially and year over year.
Since the inception of the program in the fourth quarter last year, we have repurchased approximately six 8 million shares or about 6% of our then outstanding shares.
And that's been really helpful. I think besides helping us grow it has helped us manage service levels and the feedback we keep getting from customers is that service level is beating that of the competition and I think those service levels in turn.
And that's been really helpful. I think besides helping us grow it has helped us manage service levels and the feedback we keep getting from customers is that service level is beating that of the competition and I think those service levels and turn.
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Roughly half from price increase.
For $300 million at an average price of about $44 per share.
Half from volume gains.
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The volume was skewed more towards the transmission and distribution component side versus the comms and control side.
Our March 31 leverage ratio was four nine times EBITDA slightly up from four one times at year end 'twenty two.
Our reinforcing our value proposition in helping us support our pricing.
Ah reinforcing our value proposition in helping us support our pricing.
Environment as well as we believe leading to some share gains.
We feel that the capex that we've been investing to add capacity has allowed us.
Environment as well as we believe leading to some share gains.
And as a reminder, we have no significant debt maturities until the third quarter of 2024 and have approximately $1 6 billion of secured debt borrowing capacity available if needed.
On the volume side.
On the volume side.
On the communications and controls you see 4% growth there.
On the communications and controls you see 4% growth there.
To grow sequentially and year over year.
And that's been really helpful. I think besides helping us grow it has helped us manage service levels and feedback we keep getting from customers is that service level is beating that of the competition and I think those service levels and turn.
Youll recall that through much of last year.
Youll recall that through much of last year.
Let me now turn to our outlook for this year.
As Tom mentioned, we are raising our 2023 adjusted EBITDA outlook by $50 million to $3, two 1 billion to $3 four 1 billion.
Bumping along flat.
Bumping along flat.
And so we may be starting to see a little bit of buying in the supply of chips, allowing those meters.
And so we may be starting to see a little bit of buying in the supply of chips, allowing those meters.
Or $3 billion $310 million at the midpoint, reflecting the strong start to the year.
Our reinforcing our value proposition in helping us support our pricing.
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To get.
Build 10 installed.
Build 10 installed.
And we're looking forward to more of that as we go forward.
And we're looking forward to more of that as we go forward.
Environment as well as we believe leading to some share gains.
This $50 million increase includes a $20 million raise for USPI and a $30 million raise for our hospitals.
On the operating profit side, 87% growth to $191 million.
On the operating profit side, 87% growth to $191 million.
On the volume side.
On the communications and controls you see 4% growth there.
Additionally, we now expect 90 operating revenues to be in the range of $19 8 billion to $20 2 billion.
You see almost $90 million of new profit generated by this segment just a really impressive.
You see almost $90 million of new profit generated by this segment just a really impressive.
Youll recall that through much of last year.
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Lots of things going right.
Lots of things going right.
To now be in the range of $4 92.
Have.
Have.
Price and material being positive.
Price and material being positive.
To $6 nine.
To get.
On the pricing side Thats.
On the pricing side Thats.
Built and installed.
Regarding our second quarter outlook.
And we're looking forward to more of that as we go forward.
Multi quarter trends that you all have seen.
Multi quarter trends that you all have seen.
We expect consolidated adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of 765 million to $815 million.
On the material side.
On the material side.
On the operating profit side, 87% growth to $191 million.
Actually.
Actually.
And we anticipate that USPI is EBITDA.
A little bit new to see.
A little bit new to see.
There was actually some tailwind that came from materials.
In the second quarter at the midpoint.
You see almost $90 million of new profit generated by this segment just a really impressive.
There was actually some tailwind that came from materials.
Will be approximately 23% to 24% of our full year 2023, USPI EBIT guidance of a $1.465 billion at the midpoint of our range.
As opposed to we had been facing inflation all of last year on that side. So both of those contributing tailwind, which as you see pushed up margins impressively.
As opposed to we had been facing inflation all of last year on that side. So both of those contributing tailwind was which as you see pushed up margins impressively.
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You have.
Lots of things going right you have.
Price and material being positive.
The volume that we enjoyed drops through at attractive incrementals that helps push the margin up.
The volume that we enjoyed drops through at attractive Incrementals that helps push the margin up and we've been talking to you about the impact of disrupted supply chains on.
Turning to our cash flows for 2023.
On the pricing side Thats.
From a cash flow.
Perspective, we are targeting another strong year free cash flow generation and now expect free cash flow in the range of $1 1 billion to $1. Three 5 billion for 2023, an increase of 25 million over our previous expectations.
Our multi quarter trends that you all have seen.
We've been talking to you about the impact of disrupted supply chains on.
On the material side.
And pairing our productivity last year.
And pairing our productivity last year, and we're seeing some return to normalcy in some of those dimensions, where that productivity is starting to come back and be positive. So.
Actually.
A little bit new to see.
We're seeing some return to normalcy in some of those dimensions, where that productivity is starting to come back and be positive. So.
But there was actually some tailwind that came from materials.
Okay.
As opposed to we had been facing inflation all of last year on that side. So both of those contributing tailwind, which as you see pushed up margins impressively.
Our free cash flow generation has improved substantially over the past several years, we have significantly reduced our leverage and pushed out debt debt maturities and we expect our business to continue to drive strong cash flows while executing on our growth plans.
A lot of drivers really helping lift the margin and propel the results.
A lot of drivers really helping lift the margin and propel the results of the utility segment.
The utilities segment.
We thought it would be helpful on page eight.
We thought it would be helpful on page eight.
The volume that we enjoyed drops through at attractive Incrementals that helps push the margin up and we've been talking to you about the impact of disrupted supply chains on.
So maybe give a multiyear view.
To maybe give a multiyear view of how the demand pattern has looked and we've shared with you here.
As we've mentioned previously these cash flows provide us with significant financial flexibility to effectively deploy capital for the benefit of shareholders.
How the demand pattern has looked and we've shared with you here.
Picture of the backlog.
A picture of the backlog.
And pairing our productivity last year.
And what you can see is starting really at the beginning of 2021, a very significant and sustained increase.
As a reminder, our capital deployment priorities have not changed.
And what you can see is starting really at the beginning of 2021.
We're seeing some return to normalcy in some of those dimensions, where that productivity is starting to come back and be positive. So.
First we continued planning on allocating approximately $250 million of capital annually to grow our USPI surgery Center business.
Very significant and sustained increase.
And the backlog on the utility side of <unk>.
And the backlog on the utility side of <unk>.
A lot of drivers really helping lift the margin and propel the results of the utility segment.
Distribution and transmission components.
Distribution and transmission components.
Second enhancing our hospital growth opportunities, including the continued focus on higher acuity service offerings.
This is obviously driven by the fact that the demand.
This is obviously driven by the fact that the demand.
We thought it would be helpful on page eight.
<unk> exceeded our ability to be able to make and ship.
<unk> exceeded our ability to be able to make and ship.
Third evaluating further opportunities to retire <unk> refinanced debt.
So maybe give a multiyear view of how the demand pattern has looked and we've shared with you here.
The amount of material.
The amount of material.
And finally share repurchases, depending on market conditions and other investment opportunities.
And.
And.
One of the reasons, we wanted to show you the pages, we feel that that level of demand is not the norm.
One of the reasons, we wanted to show you the pages, we feel that that level of demand is not the norm.
A picture of the backlog.
And with that we're ready to begin the Q&A operator.
And what you can see is starting really at the beginning of 2021.
Would not be sustainable level over the long time.
Thank you, we'll now be conducting a question and answer session. As a reminder, we please ask that you limit yourselves to one question if you will.
Would not be sustainable level over the long time.
Very significant and sustained increase.
Essentially I think we see the order pattern was responding to longer lead times and the fact that we were in an increasing price environment. Both of those phenomena I think caused people to put their orders in earlier than they otherwise might and thats evidenced and supported by the facts.
Essentially I think we see the order pattern was responding to longer lead times and the fact that we were in an increasing price environment. Both of those phenomena I think caused people to put their orders in earlier than they otherwise might and thats evidenced and supported by the facts.
To be placed into the question queue. Please press star one at this time.
And the backlog on the utility side of <unk>.
First question today is coming from Brian <unk> from Jefferies. Your line is ally.
Distribution and transmission components.
This is obviously driven by the fact that the demand.
Hey, good morning, guys and congrats on a good quarter.
Yes.
Exceeded our ability to be able to make and ship.
My question is how much.
<unk> do you think you have left to bring down.
There is quite a bit of content in this backlog.
<unk> amount of material.
But there is quite a bit of content in this backlog.
Temp labor I know, you're reinvesting some of that in <unk>.
And.
Pages for your permit employees, but as we think about temp labor and maybe <unk> as a whole.
David longer than 90 days.
David longer than 90 days.
One of the reasons, we wanted to show you the page as we feel that that level of demand is not the norm.
And so what we expect is that as we start to get the supply chain normalized get our lead times normalized.
And so what we expect is that as we start to get the supply chain normalized get our lead times normalized.
What do you think is the remaining opportunity for that embedded in your guidance and even as we look into next year. Thanks.
Would not be sustainable level over the long time.
Hey, Brian It's Dan good morning.
Essentially I think we see the order pattern was responding to longer lead times and the fact that we were in an increasing price environment. Both of those phenomena I think cause people to put their orders in earlier than they otherwise might and thats evidenced and supported by the facts.
And bring those factors down we think will be enabling our customers.
We do expect some additional moderation in our contract labor spend as we move through the year.
And bring those factors down we think will be enabling our customers.
To get their orders.
To get their orders.
The operators have done a really phenomenal job managing this obviously very difficult environment, our recruiting and retention.
Put in.
Put in.
With the anticipation that get the material much faster.
With the anticipation that kept the material much faster.
So our anticipation is that.
So our anticipation is that.
Measures have been improving which is helping to mitigate some of the incremental costs associated with contract labor. So we are expecting some additional moderation as we move through the year, but as we as we've said when we.
The order rate can come down and we will be reducing this backlog to get it back into balance and what we feel over the medium and long term as a mid single digit sustainable book.
The order rate can come down and we will be reducing this backlog to get it back into balance and what we feel over the medium and long term as a mid single digit sustainable booking.
But there is quite a bit of content in this backlog.
Dated longer than 90 days.
And so what we expect is that as we start to get the supply chain normalized get our lead times normalized.
<unk> released our guidance in February for this year, we are not expecting our contract labor to get back to pre pandemic levels certainly.
Book, and Bill order and ship right.
Book, and Bill order and ship right.
And so we.
And so we.
And bring those factors down we think will be enabling our customers.
We really wanted to show you. This page it's part of what gives us the conviction to raise our guidance of turbine mentioned at the top.
We really wanted to show you. This page it's part of what gives us the conviction to raise our guidance a turbine mentioned at the top.
That won't happen this year.
To get their orders.
We think this this momentum you start to create visibility through the better part of this year.
We think this this momentum you start to create visibility through the better part of this year.
Put in.
Thank you next question is coming from Peter Chickering from Deutsche Bank. Your line is now live.
With the anticipation that get the material much faster.
And so our anticipation is that.
Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions great quarter.
And so it gave us the confidence that that.
And so it gave us the confidence that we could give you that increase in guidance.
The order rate can come down and we will be reducing this backlog to get it back into balance and what we feel over the medium and long term as a mid single digit sustainable.
The guidance you beat the midpoint of first quarter guidance by $57 million. He raised to EUR $50 million above the street, but only raised the full year by about $50 million. So I'm just curious.
We could give you that increase in guidance.
On page nine.
On page nine.
We switch to the electrical segment.
We switch to the electrical segment.
And Youll see very strong profit performance an increase of 30%.
And Youll see very strong profit performance an increase of 30%.
Book, and Bill order and ship right.
We reached our into the implied back half of your guidance reduction is just conservatism is only at the street is missing or is simply.
15% margins $76 million of op.
15% margins $76 million of op.
And so we.
We really wanted to show you. This page it's part of what gives us the conviction to raise our guidance a turbine mentioned at the top.
On flat sales.
Did the street misunderstand the seasonality for the back half here refer certain here.
On flat sales.
That flat sales.
That flat sales.
Includes.
Includes.
Hey, payouts, Dan good morning.
We think this this momentum you start to create visibility through the better part of this year.
The acquisition of <unk>, which just to remind you was.
Acquisition of <unk>, which just to remind you was.
You shouldn't read into anything that listen we were off to a good start.
A very intentional increase in our exposure to the data center space.
A very intentional increase in our exposure to the data center space.
To the year.
We beat by $57 million, and we raised our guidance by $50 million. So.
And so it gave us the confidence that.
That business is based in Raleigh in carbon and I and some of our partners had.
That business is based down in Raleigh in carbon and I and some of our partners had.
That we could give you that increase in guidance.
We're optimistic.
On page nine.
The opportunity to go visit the team last week and Raleigh and.
The opportunity to go visit the team last week and Raleigh and.
We're encouraged by the trends that we've seen.
We switch to the electrical segment and.
And that Shouldnt read anything into it.
And Youll see very strong profit performance an increase of 30%.
It's great to see them flying the Hubble flag.
It's great to see them flying the Hubble flag at their facility and see how excited they are to be part of the Hubbell family.
Great. Thanks, so much.
15% margins $76 million of op on flat sales.
<unk> facility and see how excited they are to be part of the Hubbell family.
Thank you next question is coming from Justin Lake from Wolfe Research. Your line is now live.
And the greater resources that we have which they believe is going to enable them.
The greater resources that we have which they believe is going to enable them.
That flat sales.
Hey, guys. Thanks for the question is Austin on for Justin really strong quarter on the volume side, both in USPI and in the hospital. Just curious you guys had kind of talked previously.
Includes.
On the acquisition of <unk>, which just to remind you was.
To be a more capable competitors so welcome those folks.
To be a more capable competitors so welcome those folks too.
A very intentional increase in our exposure to the data center space.
To our family.
Our family.
The counter is that the organic part of electrical was down a little bit.
Some service line flexing in the hospitals and then some COVID-19 driven interruptions in USPI, where any of those still present in the <unk> year or are we kind of at a clean comp going forward. Thanks.
The counter is that the organic part of electrical was down a little bit.
That business is based down in Raleigh.
We saw.
We saw <unk>.
And I and some of our partners had.
Softness in residential.
Softness in residential.
The opportunity to go visit the team last week and Raleigh and.
At the double digit level.
At the double digit level.
Okay.
On the hospital side is as Dan was just talking about with the prior one of the prior questions.
We had strength in our industrial markets and notably some of the verticals, we have been calling out in renewables.
We had strength.
In our industrial markets and notably some of the verticals, we have been calling out in renewables.
It's great to see them flying the Hubble flag at their facility and see how excited they are to be part of the Hubbell family.
As the contract labor rates come down and I indicated a little bit in my comments it opens up the ability to.
Data center and telecom.
Data center and telecom.
And the greater resources that we have which they believe is going to enable them.
And I think.
And I think.
Improve access for services.
One way at a time like this besides the the compare to prior year is to also look at the sequential trend in demand and sales.
One way in a time like this besides the the compare to prior year is to also look at the sequential trend in demand and sales.
To be a more capable competitors so welcome those folks.
The demand we know the demand has been there.
Always been a bit about whether that demand at scale with serviceable with very high contract labor costs and I think in particular as the contract labor rates come down.
To our family.
The counter is that the organic part of electrical was down a little bit.
And typical seasonality for us is to have the fourth quarter.
And typical seasonality for us is to have the fourth quarter.
We saw.
Lead to a slight decline in the first quarter of a couple of points that would be typical seasonal.
Lead to a slight decline in the first quarter of a couple of points that would be typical seasonal pre.
Softness in residential.
At the double digit level.
It makes it easier to make decisions about utilizing contract labor versus.
We had strength.
Progression.
Progression.
In our industrial markets and notably some of the verticals, we have been calling out in renewables.
And the fact that it's flat this year is a favorable compare to that typical season leads us to believe that demand is it.
And the fact that it's flat this year is a favorable compare to that typical season leads us to believe that demand is in.
The full time labor from from the perspective of <unk>.
Data center and telecom.
Opening up that hospital capacity.
<unk>.
To take in more volume and obviously imperative in that is that we continue to have discipline in our overall cost structure productivity length of stay things that we've talked about for the past few years during the pandemic continuing to remain focused on that so that we can generate strong margins as we open up the capacity even if <unk>.
And fairly healthy shape there.
Fairly healthy shape there but.
And I think.
But I think more impressive for us on the electrical side was the margin performance and similar to utility.
I think more impressive for us on the electrical side was the margin performance and similar to utility.
One way in a time like this besides the the.
Compared to prior year is to also look at the sequential trend in demand and sales and typical seasonality for us is to have the fourth quarter.
Very good price material performance.
Very good price material performance.
Same improved productivity, where the plants are becoming more.
Same improve productivity, where the plants are becoming more.
Lead to a slight decline in the first quarter of a couple of points that would be typical seasonal progression.
Efficient after dealing with some of the inefficiencies forced on them by the pandemic.
Efficient after dealing with some of the inefficiencies forced on them by the pandemic.
Some of the work that returns is lower acuity on the USPI side I'm really pleased with the volume strength. This is not we've talked over the last couple three quarters about things that were going on in the business certain types of low acuity business that we were strategically and otherwise having.
We also thought on page 10, it would be worthwhile.
We also thought on page 10.
And the fact that it's flat this year is a favorable compare to that typical season in <unk>.
Be worthwhile.
To show you.
To show you.
How we are building around some of these identified verticals and Youll remember.
How we are building around some of these identified verticals and Youll remember at Investor Day, and Kevin mentioned in his comments.
Leads us to believe that demand is fairly.
Fairly healthy shape there but.
<unk> at Investor Day, and Kevin mentioned in his comments.
But I think more impressive for us on the electrical side was the margin performance and similar to utility.
Reductions in that affected this quarter.
We're trying to compete collectively in the electrical segment.
Trying to compete collectively in the electrical segment in.
<unk> demonstrated growth in the services that we want to grow.
Very good price material performance.
At Investor Day, we shared some of the benefits of <unk>.
At Investor Day, we shared some of the benefits of.
Strong return of GI services orthopedic strength was strong and in particular I've commented about pain before the volume strength is not coming from pain, it's that business was flat year over year. So.
Transitioning from a three.
Same improved productivity, where the plants are becoming more.
Transitioning from a three.
Three vertical silo.
Three vertical silo.
Efficient after dealing with some of the inefficiencies forced on them by the pandemic.
Segment, two single segment.
Segment, two single segment.
We think there is efficiency gains, but also importantly effectiveness gains. This is an example of the ability to be more effective so we organized around.
We think there is efficiency gains, but also importantly effectiveness gains. This is an example of the ability to be more effective.
It's this isn't a volume recovery based upon kind of so to speak engineering certain service lines that we were <unk>.
We also thought on page 10, it would be worthwhile.
To show you how.
So we organized around.
How we are building around some of these identified verticals and you'll remember at Investor Day, and <unk> mentioned in his comments.
Dampening our interest in but it is actual strength in many of the areas that I think most importantly, breaking through significantly the pre pandemic volume levels is a really important marker for USPI and the ASC industry because it suggests that there will be strength going forward.
The renewable in this example, the renewable vertical and again to remind you.
The renewable.
This example, the renewable vertical and again to remind you.
So this is solar and wind applications, we're not making solar panels were not making wind turbines are approaches around the balance of system components.
As solar and wind applications, we're not making solar panels were not making wind turbines are approaches around the balance of system of components.
Trying to compete collectively in the electrical segment.
At Investor Day, we shared some of the benefits of.
Transitioning from a three.
Those applications require and those balance of systems can come from different business units across our electrical segment. So the trick is to get the sales force to be very effective at cross selling.
Those applications require.
Three vertical silo.
And those balance of systems can come from different business units across our electrical segment. So the trick is to get the sales force to be very effective at cross selling.
Segment, two single segment.
Thank you next question is coming from Calvin starting from Jpmorgan. Your line is now live.
We think there is efficiency gains, but also importantly effectiveness gains. This is an example of the ability to be more effective.
Yes, hi, good morning.
I wanted to ask about the <unk> centers and how the integration is progressing there I know you talked about slower decision by us last year and the ramping of some of the de Novo and developing centers just curious how that's trended so far just as sort of understand some of the progress. Thanks, Yes, no. Good question good update as I indicated the biopsy.
To get the marketing team focused on helping to solve customer problems.
To get the marketing team focused on helping to solve customer problems.
So we organized around.
The renewable.
This example, the renewable vertical and again to remind you this.
To get the capital flowing towards new product development that can come out of that improved voice of customer that.
Yet.
The capital flowing towards new product development that can come out of that improved voice of customer that the.
This is solar and wind applications, we're not making solar panels were not making wind turbines are approaches around the balance of system of components.
The newly organized sales force can get Durbin mentioned, a couple of these products, but good examples of us.
Newly organized sales force can get driven mentioned a couple of these products, but good examples of us.
Continue the progress in the buy ups continue.
At multiples that are.
Those applications require and those balances systems can come from different business units across our electrical segments. So the trick is to get the sales force to be very effective at cross selling.
That changed from any of the prior multiple so.
Being able to serve a vertical more capably when we compete collectively as an electrical segment.
Being able to serve a vertical more capably when we compete collectively as an electrical segment.
That's good.
And the.
Centers that were in development.
We thought a noteworthy to show you that in just three years at the bottom we've been able to double.
We thought a noteworthy to show you that in just three years at the bottom we've been able to double.
Describe them somewhere from the point of having broken ground to just having opened we expect all of them from that original transaction number two to be opened up this year.
To get the marketing team focused on helping to solve customer problems.
Our performance in the.
Our performance in the.
Vertical to about $100 million of exposure and we anticipate similar amount of growth as we move forward.
Vertical to about $100 million of exposure and we anticipate similar amount of growth as we move forward.
To get the capital flowing towards new product development that can come out of that improved voice of customer that.
And that's a good thing those partnerships are still strong and intact.
I think also think of this as.
I think also think of this as.
So I think I think we will see positive movement like I said.
The newly organized sales force can get an urban mentioned a couple of these products, but good examples of us.
As a model of other verticals that we're intending to.
As a model of other verticals that we're intending to.
Last night, we were about a year behind the original plan, but the original plan is still the original plan.
To become more vertically oriented around including data centers.
To become more vertically oriented around including data centers.
Being able to serve a vertical more capably when we compete collectively as an electrical segment.
Yeah.
Telecom and electric vehicles, all of which we.
Telecom and electric vehicles, all of which we.
Thank you next question is coming from Kevin Fischbeck from Bank of America. Your line is now live.
We're using similar techniques to become better more effective.
We're using similar techniques to become better and more effective.
We thought a noteworthy to show you that in just three years at the bottom we've been able to double.
Great. Thanks.
Wanted to ask about your views about the volumes in the quarter.
So how does how does this performance and all that we're doing how does it compare to what we said when we were together in January and where does it take us.
So how does how does this performance and all that we're doing how does it compare to what we said when we were together in January and where does it take us.
Our performance in the.
Sounds like.
Vertical to about $100 million of exposure and we anticipate similar amount of growth as we move forward.
The volumes were stronger than we were looking for it sounds like maybe they were even stronger than you guys were looking for is there something that you would point to as to why all of a sudden 2023.
As we look out.
As we look out.
I think also think of this.
To us important for us to share with you where do we see improvement where do we see things the same and what is still uncertain.
To us important for us to share with you where do we see improvement where do we see things the same and what is still uncertain.
Beginning of of this volume.
As a model of other verticals that we're intending to.
[noise] rebound.
To become more vertically oriented around including data centers.
And maybe to go back to that earlier question about the guidance because it is kind of you raised for the beat it sounds like it's conservatism, but is there any reason to believe either based upon how volumes progressed through Q1 or so far in Q2 that these higher volume numbers wouldn't persist.
And on the improvement side, it's clearly it starts with the pricing actions.
And on the improvement side, it's clearly it starts with the pricing actions.
Telecom and electric vehicles, all of which.
So actions that we were contemplating at the end of the year.
So actions that we were contemplating at the end of the year.
We're using similar techniques to become better more effective.
And implemented in the new year.
And implemented in the new year.
Head stick rates far above historical averages and far above our expectations.
Head stick rates far above historical averages and far above our expectations.
So how does.
Yes. This is Tom so a couple of things.
How does this performance and all that we're doing how does it compare to what we said when we were together in January and where does it take us.
I think I think the volume strength.
I think it's an example of the channel really.
I think it's an example of the channel really.
At this point.
We really we really have our information and what we've read.
As we look out.
Endorsing and embracing these pricing.
Endorsing and embracing.
And to us important for us to share with you where do we see improvement.
These pricing actions.
<unk> actions.
Publicly about HCA is information I think I think there is some.
And that created a big improvements.
And that created a big improvement.
Where do we see things the same and what is still uncertain.
<unk>.
Italy.
You'll recall our capex.
You'll recall our capex.
Industry recovery going on is as we kind of enter this post COVID-19 post pandemic anyway environment, where people are getting more comfortable returning to health care, we know that from our physicians offices Theyre now all the ones that we employ and Ron are now all running at full throughput in.
And on the improvement side, it's clearly it starts with the pricing actions.
<unk> gone from about 100.
Gone from about 100.
Two the ballpark of $1 30 last year, we're anticipating taking it up to 160. This year those big improvements in Capex are paying off and our ability to ship more volume.
Two the ballpark of $1 30 last year, we're anticipating taking it up to 160. This year those big improvements in Capex are paying off and our ability to ship more volume.
So actions that we were contemplating at the end of the year.
And implemented in the new year.
Had stick rates far above historical averages.
And certainly the productivity.
And certainly the productivity.
In the outpatient environment, obviously that helps to create demand.
And far above our expectations.
That was impaired a little bit last year by.
That was impaired a little bit last year by.
Demand I think that we've in our case gotten much more effective and efficient with our ER throughput and operations across the board that was a big focus area last year that we didn't talk much about but with the staffing shortages, having adequate throughput having fast track.
I think it's an example of the channel really.
Our labor being.
Our labor being.
Not available on a consistent basis materials, not being available on a consistent basis and transportation likewise not.
Not available on a consistent basis materials, not being available on a consistent basis and transportation likewise not.
Endorsing and embracing these.
Pricing actions.
And that created a big improvements.
Not being available on a consistent basis has made it very difficult.
Not being available on a consistent basis has made it very difficult.
Additionally.
You'll recall our capex.
To plan and execute inside our plants and we're seeing those conditions improve and we're seeing as a result.
To plan and execute inside our plants and we're seeing those conditions improve and we're seeing as a result.
Gone from about 100.
Setups in our <unk> and things to improve that throughput is important to be able to service the demand and then for us in particular, I think that as we get into this post pandemic environment.
Two the ballpark of $1 30 last year, we're anticipating taking it up to $1 60. This year those big improvements in Capex are paying off and our ability to ship more volume.
Productivity improvement so all of that is causing us to raise our sales and margin outlook whats the same as utility demand in the market strength, we see continuing.
Productivity improvement so all of that is causing us to raise our sales and margin outlook whats the same as utility demand in the market strength, we see continuing.
And certainly the productivity.
Hospitals are going to naturally be able to hold on to and deliver.
That was impaired a little bit last year by.
Showed you evidence of that order pattern in the backlog page.
Showed you evidence of that order pattern in the backlog page.
Our labor being.
The electrical markets.
The electrical markets.
When they have put in the right infrastructure doctors and technology for higher acuity services that don't have a substitute location to go to and for US that is that's an important.
Not available on a consistent basis materials, not being available on a consistent basis and transportation likewise not.
Continue to trend and as we said, having a favorable compare sequentially in the fourth quarter.
Continue to trend and as we said, having a favorable compare sequentially in the fourth quarter.
Not being available on a consistent basis has made it very difficult.
We think is a good sign of demand.
We think is a good sign of demand.
To plan and execute inside our plants and we're seeing those conditions improve and we are seeing as a result.
And.
And.
Piece of the recovery puzzle occur.
We still believe that we have a significant part of the portfolio.
We still believe that we have a significant part of the portfolio.
Across the board look the other thing from a tenant portfolio perspective, as we indicated in our portfolio has a pretty broad range of exposure to markets that handled states that handled COVID-19 differently and we always had a little bit more recovery to go in some of the states that were more locked down.
Productivity improvement so all of that is causing us to raise our sales and margin outlook whats the same as utility demand in the market strength, we see continuing.
Is it going to show resistance to consumer led recession effects that includes.
Is it going to show resistance to consumer led recession effects that includes.
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Utility side transitioning distribution components.
Utility side transitioning distribution components.
Showed you evidence of that order pattern in the backlog page.
It also includes elements on the electrical side.
It also includes elements on the electrical side.
And I am pleased to see that we're seeing some volume strength in those.
The electrical markets.
Both industrial and some of those verticals inside renewable telecom and data centers, we expect to.
Both industrial and some of those verticals inside renewable telecom and data centers, we expect to.
Continue to trend and as we said, having a favorable compare sequentially the fourth quarter.
In those markets as well at USPI.
To grow through any macro but on the uncertain side on the right. We still have uncertainty in the second half we think we see good momentum to the second quarter, which gives us some confidence.
To grow through any macro but on the uncertain side on the right. We still have uncertainty in the second half we think we see good momentum to the second quarter, which gives us some confidence.
There's a couple of things one is.
We think is a good sign of demand.
We put a lot of focus and reengineered some of our processes incentives as well as service line priorities.
And.
We still believe that we have a significant part of the portfolio.
Is she going to show resistance to consumer led recession effects that includes.
Still are working through channel inventory levels and making sure.
Still are working through channel inventory levels and making sure.
In the third quarter of last year.
Third quarter and fourth quarter of last year going into this year.
That what our customers have on the shelves is aligned with what they know they can move and making sure. They have the confidence to keep putting orders in with us that sell through.
That what our customers have on the shelves is aligned with what they know they can move and making sure. They have the confidence to keep putting orders in with us that sell through.
Both.
To focus a bit more on some of the things that we wanted to grow rather than just some of the things that we were trying to optimize out as the low acuity service and I think getting that balance right is helped create some momentum at USPI with respect to organic growth and yes. There is really no reason that.
Utility side transition and distribution components.
It also includes elements on the electrical side.
Both industrial and some of those verticals inside renewable telecom and data centers, we expect to.
I think the non resin markets, whether they're impacted by.
I think the non resin markets, whether they're impacted by.
Any any macro uncertainty again.
Any any macro uncertainty again.
To grow through any macro but on the uncertain side on the right.
We don't see signs of that yet.
We don't see signs of that yet.
I see looking forward.
But we read that.
But we read the.
Still have uncertainty in the second half, we think we see good momentum to the second quarter, which gives us some confidence.
At this point that that should change.
<unk> just like you all in and know there are concerns out there. So that's causing us to have some conservatism as we think about the second half in other words, our guidance that carbon is about to talk through us is not the first quarter.
<unk> just like you all in and know there are concerns out there so thats, causing us to have some conservatism as we think about the second half in other words, our guidance that carbon is about to talk through us is not the first quarter.
My commentary to the to the guidance look we're pleased to have delivered a good quarter and we're pleased to have raised our guidance at this point in time.
Still are working through channel inventory levels and making sure.
We're optimistic about the future and we'll revisit as we look forward depending on what the results look like.
We're optimistic about the future and we'll revisit as we look forward depending on what the results look like.
That what our customers have on the shelves is aligned with what they know they can move and making sure. They have the confidence to keep putting orders in with us that sell through.
Seasonally extrapolated through the year and involves good momentum into the second and then.
Seasonally extrapolated through the year and involves good momentum into the second and then.
Some caution around the second half so I will turn it to go into.
Some caution around the second half so I will turn it to go into.
Thank you. Your next question is coming from AJ Rice from Credit Suisse. Your line is now live.
I think the non resin markets, whether they're impacted by.
To quantify our outlook for you.
To quantify our outlook for you.
Hi, everybody I wanted to just ask.
Any any macro uncertainty again.
Yeah.
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Two other areas that have been touched on.
Thanks, Bill for those additional insights on our results.
Thanks, Bill for those additional insights on our results.
We don't see signs of that yet.
You've done your analysis on.
Hubble is raising our 2023 outlook to an adjusted earnings per share range of $13 to $13 50, representing approximately 25% adjusted earnings growth at the midpoint.
Hubble is raising our 2023 outlook to an adjusted earnings per share range of $13 to $13 50, representing approximately 25% adjusted earnings growth at the midpoint.
But we read the papers just just like you all in and know there are concerns out there so thats, causing us to have some conservatism as we think about the second half in other words, our guidance that carbon is about to talk through us is not the first quarter.
Ready determinations were getting sort of different views as to as people roll off of Medicaid you picked up on public exchanges are hopefully on the commercial roles, whether thats a neutral event for you guys or a positive how have you factored that into guidance and then any update on your generally on your managed care contracting.
This outlook now assumes 8% total sales growth and 7% to 9% organic growth for the full year, consisting of approximately equal contributions from price realization and volume growth.
This outlook now assumes 8% total sales growth and 7% to 9% organic growth for the full year, consisting of approximately equal contributions from price realization and volume growth.
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I know this year, you've got a little help.
Some caution around the second half so I'll turn it to go into to quantify our outlook for you.
It seemed like from labor rates.
And labor pressures rather is that following through in your discussions 424, do you think youll get.
We continue to expect full year free cash flow conversion of 90% to 95%.
We continue to expect full year free cash flow conversion of 90% to 95%.
Great. Thanks.
Thanks, Bill for those additional insights on our results.
Yes.
This updated outlook incorporates a continuation of strong fundamental performance from the first quarter, while also maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities.
This updated outlook incorporates a continuation of strong fundamental performance from the first quarter, while also maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities.
Some help on the labor side.
Hubble is raising our 2023 outlook to an adjusted earnings per share range of $13 to $13 50, representing approximately 25% adjusted earnings growth at the midpoint.
They're in rates for 2004.
Hey, Jay it's Dan.
Let me try to address those in terms of the Medicaid Redetermination.
It also enables us to accelerate our investment levels to support high return capacity full.
It also enables us to accelerate our investment levels to support high return capacity footprint and innovation projects over the balance of 2023.
I would say at this point, we haven't seen anything any substantive impact.
This outlook now assumes 8% total sales growth and 7% to 9% organic growth for the full year, consisting of approximately equal contributions from price realization and volume growth.
Sprint and innovation projects over the balance of 2023.
From the Redetermination, which really just began but I would tell you that we have conifer in our hospitals, we have dedicated resources.
We believe this balanced view should enable us to achieve our outlook in a range of macroeconomic scenarios.
We believe this balanced view should enable us to achieve our outlook in a range of macroeconomic scenarios.
To address this as the Redetermination occur state by state, we have communications across the enterprise through all levels of conifer and the hospitals, we're doing other types of communications.
Not only is this updated outlook well ahead of our expectations coming into 2023.
Not only is this updated outlook well ahead of our expectations coming into 2023.
We continue to expect full year free cash flow conversion of 90% to 95%.
But it also puts us on the path to achieve our 2025 targets, which we laid out for you during Investor Day last summer two years ahead of schedule.
But it also puts us on the path to achieve our 2025 targets, which we laid out for you during Investor Day last summer two years ahead of schedule.
This updated outlook incorporates a continuation of strong fundamental performance from the first quarter, while also maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities.
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All while accelerating investments back into our business and without substantial benefit from capital allocations.
All while accelerating investments back into our business and without substantial benefit from capital allocations.
We've been going through and revising our.
It also enables us to accelerate our investment levels to support high return capacity.
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We believe this balanced view should enable us to achieve our outlook in a range of macroeconomic scenarios.
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It also puts us on the path to achieve our 2025 targets, which we laid out for you during Investor Day last summer two years ahead of schedule.
Tenant community members on the community in and working with them and tracking some of those statistics so.
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So far nothing significant but we're we think we're on top of it and we're monitoring it closely in terms of your question in terms of the guidance for the year.
All while accelerating investments back into our business and without substantial benefit from capital allocations.
Hey, Thank you good morning, everyone.
Thank you and good morning, everyone.
Good morning, Jeff Good morning, Hey, just a couple of things first just on utility.
Jeff Good morning.
Hey, just a couple of things first just on utility.
I am proud of our employees for the results that they are driving for our customers our shareholders and we remain committed to delivering differentiated results over the near and long term.
Is your remark about mid single digit.
Is your remark about mid single digit.
As we said in February we haven't assumed any significant.
Kind of a continuation off this new higher base or.
Kind of a continuation off this new higher base or do.
Upside or downside from the Redetermination that we think it's premature at this point.
With that let me turn it over to Q&A.
Do you foresee a time frame.
Do you foresee a time frame.
Pick a year, maybe next year, where.
Pick a year, maybe next year, where.
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Obviously, the exchange enrollment statistics were very encouraging.
Our revenues actually half the sag a bit to kind of normalize things.
Our revenues actually have to sag a bit to kind of normalize things.
I mean, we're anticipating it's off of the new base Jeff.
I mean, we're anticipating it's off of the new base Jeff.
In terms of the growth.
Some of the individuals who may.
But it's certainly something where we will continue to be watching that graph, we shared with you compare in orders to shipments.
But it's certainly something where we will continue to be watching that graph, we shared with you compare in orders to shipments.
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Transition off of Medicaid rules.
So you would expect that many of those would potentially reach out and try to obtain exchange coverage, but again, we haven't.
Hey, Thank you good morning, everyone.
But there does appear to be adequate backlog too.
But there does appear to be adequate backlog too.
Good morning, Jeff Good morning, Hey, just a couple of things first just on utility.
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In order to continue to grow off that base level.
Factored anything significant into our guidance this year in terms of the commercial.
In order to continue to grow off that base level.
Is your remark about mid single digit.
And then just on electrical margins are are we beginning to see also some of the kind of restructuring and plant realignment coming to bear here in these margins or is it just really more kind of very favorable price cost dynamics.
And then just on electrical margins are are we beginning to see also some of the kind of restructuring and plant realignment coming to bear here in these margins or is it just really more kind of very favorable price cost dynamics.
Kind of a continuation off this new higher base or.
Contracting I would say is consistent with our previous messages on this.
Do you foresee a time frame.
We think we're very well positioned.
The year, maybe next year, where.
From a contracting perspective, we're essentially 95% contracted this year.
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I mean, we're anticipating it's off of the new base Jeff.
Yes, I would say I would say Jeff.
Yes, I would say I would say Jeff it is.
And.
Around 85% next year and even.
But it's certainly something where we will continue to be watching that graph, we shared with you compare in orders to shipments.
Its more the ladder and the foreign I E more of the price cost and productivity that I would call being driven by the normalizing.
More of the ladder and the foreign I E more of the price cost and productivity that I would call being driven by the normalizing.
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A fair amount of our business is already contracted and that'll listen the terms.
But there does appear to be adequate backlog too.
Of operations inside the plants.
Of operations inside the plants.
<unk> been clear, it's not like we've been getting CPI type of increases in every contract negotiations, but what we have seen.
In order to continue to grow off that base level.
I think that.
I think that.
Some of the efficiency.
Some of the efficiency.
And then just on electrical margins are are we.
That we will get through.
That we will get through.
Getting to see also some of the kind of restructuring and plant realignment coming to bear here in these margins or is it just really more kind of very favorable price cost dynamics.
Obviously the levels of inflation are top of mind, they always have been but certainly more pronounced now in the conversations obviously youre being held with the plans.
Integrating into a single segment is actually.
Integrating into a single segment is actually.
Still still in front of us.
Still still in front of us.
And I'll leave the utility question and someone else Durbin.
And I'll leave the utility question and someone else Girvan.
And I would say some of our more recent negotiations.
Lighting.
Lighting.
Yes, I would say I would say, Jeff that it's more of the ladder.
This would seem like an ideal time.
This would seem like an ideal time.
It's a little bit better than what maybe we historically would have.
To execute an exit of lighting, while youre, just crushing it and utility.
To execute an exit of lighting, while youre, just crushing it and utility.
And the foreign I E more of the price cost and productivity that I would call being driven by the normalizing of.
Negotiate it.
Okay. Thanks, a lot.
I just wonder your thoughts on that how important the businesses is there kind of a way to at least make it less important even even less so important and it's been recently.
I just wonder your thoughts on that how important the businesses is there kind of a way to at least make it less important even less so important and it's been recently.
Thank you next question is coming from Josh Raskin from Nephron Research. Your line is now live.
Operations inside the plants.
I think that.
Hi, Thanks, Good morning, just wanted to get back to USPI and that at 9% plus same store revenue growth number I was wondering if you give us some more color on maybe perhaps geographies and whether these were legacy centers or some of the newer ones that are ramping up and then did you give a number for the buy ups for the second FCB transaction, and then lastly, I hate to.
Some of the efficiency.
That will get through.
Yes.
Yes.
A lot of thoughts in that one and let me just maybe difficult.
A lot of thoughts in that one and let me just maybe give a couple of comments on that first maybe you could just set that.
Integrating into a single segment is actually.
Comments on the first maybe just set the perspective on that business.
Still still in front of us.
Spec on that business.
And I'll leave the utility question that someone else girvan.
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Single digits.
Revenue.
Lighting.
Revenue.
This would seem like an ideal time.
I keep harping on this guidance, but the guidance for USPI, specifically sort.
Florida bar business so quite.
Florida bar business so quite.
Small it operates at the lower end of our margins and margin expectation, it's been particularly challenged the last.
Small it operates at the lower end of our margins and margins expectation, it's been particularly challenged the last.
To execute an exit of lighting, while youre, just crushing it and utility.
Sort of implies a lower growth rate for EBITDA over the next three quarters than what you saw in the first quarter any any changes to seasonality anything to think about that or just sort of consistent with the overall message on guidance.
I just wonder your thoughts on that how important the businesses is there kind of a way to at least make it less important even even less so important and it's been recently.
Year plus.
Year plus.
When container rates, which this business depends heavily on.
Container rates, which this business depends heavily on.
Hey, Josh its Dan Let me, let me start now in terms of the guidance. So we obviously yesterday is off to a great start to the year.
Escalated at $3 45 ex the.
Escalated at 345 X.
Yes.
A lot of thoughts in that one and let me just maybe a couple of comments on that first maybe Joe just said.
The good news is.
Good news is.
While while volumes are down in the markets.
While while volumes are down in the markets.
We increased the guidance 2000 $20 million.
Spec on that business.
For EBITDA.
Leon and resi are down the business is still recovering.
And Rajeev are down the business is still recovering.
Strong volumes, we also increased our volume.
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Quite well with.
Quite well with.
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Revenue.
Florida var business so quite.
Cost coming coming back in line, but.
Cost coming coming back in line, but.
Small it operates at the lower end of our margins and margin expectation, it's been particularly challenged the last.
All of that said, we take the responsibility to look at our portfolio.
All that said, we take the responsibility to look at our portfolio.
So we're obviously encouraged.
Again.
Mentioned too.
Another question.
Quite quite seriously and you saw that we executed the C&I lighting business I would say that in our portfolio was much more of a challenge than what our strategy was going forward.
But seriously you saw that we executed the C&I lighting business I would say that that's in our portfolio was much more of a challenge than what our strategy was going forward.
Nothing to read into this it's early in the year and we like what we're seeing and we will.
Year plus.
When container rates, which this business depends heavily on.
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Obviously reevaluate.
Escalated at 345 X.
Where things stand at the end of the second quarter and make any guidance changes if appropriate.
But we are active on this Jeff not just an example that you may give of resi lighting, but other product lines SKU.
Our active on this Jeff not just in the example that you may give of a resi lighting, but other product lines SKU.
Good news is.
While while volumes are down in the markets.
At that point in time the bid the USPI business continues to generate incredible margins.
Leon and resi are down the business is still recovering.
Action and as a matter of fact part of what drove the electrical margins slightly better. This quarter was a conscious decision to exit some low margin business switch that partially to higher so it had a net revenue hit by the net margin accretion so.
Action and as a matter of fact part of what drove the electrical margins slightly better this quarter was.
So we're <unk>.
Very pleased with the start to the year.
Quite well with.
Cost coming coming back in line, but.
A conscious decision to exit some low margin business switch that partially to higher so it had a net revenue hit by the net margin accretion so.
All of that said, we take the responsibility to look at our portfolio.
Thank you next question is coming from Ann Hynes from Mizuho Securities. Your line is now law.
Quite seriously and you saw that we executed the C&I lighting business I would say that in our portfolio was much more of a challenge than what our strategy what's going forward.
Hi, Thanks, I just want to talk about that no surprise billing act is that having any negative impact on surgery volume.
I don't ever.
I don't ever.
Just kind of considerations off the table, we talked about some of the areas that it does that was helpful, particularly with our digital strategy.
Just kind of considerations off the table, we talked about some of the areas that it does that was helpful, particularly with our digital strategy.
USPI.
Yes, Sam.
But we are active on this Jeff not just been <unk>.
And then I have seen in check suggests that maybe in the future.
But this business is more valuable to somebody else.
But this business is more valuable to somebody else.
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Sure Jeff.
King as much money. So they are gravitating more towards inpatient or outpatient departments that reimbursement is higher. So I guess this is having an impact and if so what do you think there is a drag on volumes.
We would certainly consider.
We would certainly consider.
Our options.
Our options.
Action and as a matter of fact part of what drove the electrical margins slightly better. This quarter was a conscious decision to exit some low margin business switch that partially to higher so it had a net revenue hit but the net margin accretion so.
Great. Thanks.
Great. Thanks.
Much appreciated.
Much appreciated.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Just a couple of comments there I'm not I'm not sure that.
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Tusa from Jpmorgan your question please.
Im not sure I could credibly answer that question with data.
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Yes.
It's an interesting question and something that we'll look into.
Hi, guys good morning.
Hey, guys good morning.
I don't ever.
Good morning Stan.
Good morning Stan.
Just kind of considerations off the table, we talked about some of the areas that it does help us, particularly with our digital strategy.
To see if we can identify any trends there.
Can you just maybe give us a lot.
Can you just maybe give us.
So an update on some of the absolute numbers embedded in the bridge for the year price cost and productivity are.
An update on some of the absolute numbers embedded in the bridge for the year price cost and productivity or anything else that on a quarter. Maybe just just this quarter just the absolutes.
But what I would say is that the pressures.
That we've talked about before in the staffing arena for.
But this business is more valuable to somebody else.
Anything else that on a quarter, maybe just just this quarter just absolutes.
I would certainly consider.
Hospital based store ASC based physicians in particular in anesthesia.
Our options.
Well, let's so let's start maybe with your first half, which was thinking about the bridge to the year.
Well, let's so let's start maybe with your first half, which was thinking about the bridge to the year.
Great. Thanks.
Much appreciated.
Certainly an area that is requiring a lot of work I mean.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
We had started.
We had started in January I think in that.
Your commentary about.
January I think in that.
The activity in revenue intensity for anesthesiologists in hospitals versus afcs.
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There would be about two points of wraparound price.
There would be about two points of wraparound price.
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Thats, obviously improved and as carbon said about half of.
It is certainly true.
Obviously improved and as carbon said about half of.
Hi, guys good morning.
But again remember our payer mix in the ASC is significantly better and that creates a draw to the ASC environment and in particular in <unk> the way, they're set up so while while theres some pressure there we're managing through it.
Good morning Stan.
Can you just maybe give.
Half of our new sales guide is price. So that's that's a step up from from a couple two.
Half of our.
So an update on some of the absolute numbers embedded in the bridge for the year price cost and productivity are.
New sales guide as price. So that's that's a step up from from a couple two more.
Anything else that on a quarter, maybe just just this quarter just the absolutes.
More in the single digit absolute.
More in the single digits of absolute.
And.
And then I think thats.
And then I think thats.
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Well, let's so let's start maybe with your first half, which was thinking about the bridge to the year.
Again, I would have to say that we'd have to take a look.
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That's a pretty big.
That's a pretty big.
Thing as long as.
Thing as long as.
At the data more carefully to answer your question in any kind of statistically relevant manner, but it hasn't bubbled up as.
It's been interesting watching.
It's been interesting watching.
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We had started in January I think in that.
Sure.
Sure.
The cost curves.
The cost curves.
Where we basically have.
There would be about two points of wrap around price.
Or are we basically.
A major driver of the volume issues that we saw in particular last last year in the third quarter.
We follow steel the most closely Steve and copper and aluminum has behaved a little bit like it where you saw a peaking.
We follow steel the most closely Steve and copper and aluminum has behaved a little bit like it where you saw a peaking.
Obviously improved and as carbon said about half of.
Alright, perfect and then Dan I know.
Half of our <unk>.
Free cash flow guidance, which is good and can you remind us do you have any share repurchase and incremental debt repayments.
Back in the fall of 'twenty, one and then a trough ing at.
New sales guide as price. So that's that's a step up from from a couple too.
Back in the fall of 'twenty, one and then a trough ing at the end of 'twenty, two and then a kind.
At the end of a 22%.
At this point.
No no additional share repurchases are assumed in the guidance and that was consistent with how we started the year with our guidance.
More in the single digit absolute.
Kind of re inflating now in the new year.
Kind of re inflating now in the new year.
And then I think thats.
And that that's kind of coming through now finally as.
And that that's kind of coming through now finally as.
That's a pretty big.
As actual tailwind.
As actual tailwind.
Thing as long as.
Okay, great. Thank you.
It's been interesting watching.
Sure.
But it's possible ultra.
But it's possible.
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Sure.
Ultimately that that could as we're seeing inflation that could kind of inflect a little bit so.
Ultimately that that could as we're seeing inflation that could kind of inflect a little bit so.
The cost curves.
Where we basically.
Hi, there.
We follow steel most closely Steve and copper and aluminum has behaved a little bit like it where you saw a peaking.
It's easy for us to isolate price little harder too.
Easy for us to isolate price little harder to to nail down price cost because of that cost dynamic, but I think thats the biggest absolute piece.
Kind of in the weeds question, because all of the governments have been asked.
We look at.
<unk> down price cost because of that cost dynamic, but I think that's the biggest.
Kind of the rest of the year on USPI and you look specifically at revenue per procedure.
Back in the fall of 'twenty, one and then a trough ing.
What's going on there in terms of rate versus just mix I mean, we assume there is some natural lift as you get more ortho and less pain, but if you could kind of help us understand what's going on in that line item that would be great. Thank you.
Absolute piece.
That's in there.
In there so.
So like I thought before we had like a negative 90 or cost or something like that I don't know if the where.
I thought before we had like a negative 90 of costs or something like that I don't know.
At the end of a 22%.
Kind of re inflating now in the new year.
Were if that was the number you guys put out there or not but so are you, saying that thats like basically price cost or the cost side of that is now like.
If that was the number you guys put out there or not but so are you, saying that thats like basically price cost or the cost side of that is now like.
And that that's kind of coming through now finally as.
Yeah, No John I appreciate it and that is still a good question. So.
As actual tailwind.
Just basically modestly positive for the year.
Just basically modestly positive for the year.
I appreciate it.
But it's possible ultra.
Listen I think there's a couple of things as I indicated.
We've got it positive in Q1.
We've got it positive in Q1.
Ultimately that that could as we're seeing inflation that could kind of inflect a little bit. So if you can.
And I think we've talked about this a bit before but maybe not as specifically there are there are certain areas of health care services that were deferred or more actively deferred and I think in our ASC business.
The way, we're looking at it we're anticipating.
The way, we're looking at it we're anticipating a reasonably flat and benign.
Easy for us to isolate price little harder to to.
Painting, a reasonably flat and benign.
To nail down price cost because of that cost dynamic, but I think that's the biggest absolute piece.
Contribution from.
Contribution from from the cost so it makes the price a little more.
From the cost so it makes the price a little more.
In particular, we saw dampened utilization.
That's in there.
Drop through rather than being absorbed.
Drop through rather than being absorbed.
So like I thought before we had like a negative 90 of cost or something like that I don't know if that.
Of.
Of procedures that might have preventative value and in particular in the Medicare population for us in general that's a good sign that it's coming back even if there is some impact on the net revenue per case, because ultimately as the asc's become fuller will get benefit from capacity utilization and we had.
Now you still have other inflation, obviously, a non material places like wages and things like that.
Now you still have other inflation, obviously, a non material places like wages and things like that.
If that was the number you guys put out there or not but so are you, saying that thats like basically price cost or the debt.
But the material.
But the material.
Cost side of that is now like.
And pricing equation has really proved quite a bit.
And pricing equation has really proved quite a bit.
Just basically modestly positive for the year.
Youre under statements our legendary at this stage a little more I think it's a little more than a little more but.
Youre under statements our legendary at this stage a little more I think it's a little more than a little more but.
It's we've got it positive in Q1.
The way we're looking at it.
The last question just on the electrical volumes.
The last question just on the electrical volumes.
Prepared for this.
We're anticipating a reasonably flat and benign.
Bit we werent sure when it was going to come back to be honest, but we are prepared for this a bit by looking.
Were they down like high singles year over year in the quarter and I guess, that's obviously not all rosy.
Were they down like.
High singles year over year on the quarter and I guess, that's obviously not all rosy.
Contribution from from the cost so it makes the price a little more.
Like we would in an acute care hospital environment for efficiencies within our ASC is.
What else would have been down to drag that down or maybe it was already.
What else would have been down to drag that down or maybe it was already.
Drop through rather than being absorbed.
No.
No.
Yes your calculations.
Yes, your calculation is right.
That would help to maintain our margins. So we've been focused on knowing that this business is going to come back knowing that some of the mix.
Now you still have other inflation, obviously, a non material places like wages and things like that.
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Z at double digits and being.
At double digits and being.
But the material.
The percentage of the segment that it is represents.
The percentage of the segment that it is represents.
Would be a little bit more challenging.
And pricing equation has really proved quite a bit.
And.
A couple of points plus of that but that still leaves.
A couple of points plus of that but that still leaves.
Doing the preparatory work to ensure that we maintain our margins.
Youre under statements our legendary at this stage a little more I think it's a little more than a little more but.
Others, and so there was spot inside the commercial business Steve.
By finding efficiencies in advance of it coming back and it happened to come back a bit this quarter and I think I think again I think thats a good sign.
Others, and so there was spot inside the commercial business Steve.
The last question just on the electrical volumes.
Where we started to reduce our lead times.
Where we started to reduce our lead times.
Were they down like high singles year over year in the quarter and I guess, that's obviously not all RSV.
Our independent physician partners office is running at full throughput similar to what we're seeing with our employed physician practices if that happens across the board I think that'll be a nice tailwind.
And we started to see our customers managing their inventory and kind of that sort of relates to I think Jeff's first question right, where as they as the customer gets their their inventory normalized is there a period, where you see.
And we started to see our customers managing their inventory.
What else would have been down to drag that down or maybe it was <unk>.
And kind of that sort of relates to I think Jeff's first question right where.
No.
Yes, your calculations as Reits.
As they as the customer gets there.
Ramzi.
Give them the confidence sometime this year to maybe recruit new partners to their practice and continue to grow their own businesses, which again will represent some long term tailwind in our partnerships with them at USPI. So I think this is a good cycle to be an even if some of the mix and other things.
At double digits and being.
Inventory normalized is there a period.
The percentage of the segment that it is represents a.
Where you see.
Maybe an under ordering.
Maybe an under ordering.
A couple of points plus of that but that still leaves.
A weeks that affects things and I think that's what we saw on some of our commercial businesses.
A weeks that affects things and I think that's what we saw on some of our commercial businesses.
Others, and so there was spot inside the commercial business Steve.
Makes sense okay. Thanks.
Makes sense okay. Thanks.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Where we started to reduce our lead times.
In the short term will be a bit more challenging we will stay focused on the margin performance.
And our next question comes from the line of Tom.
And our next question comes from the line of.
And we started to see our customers managing their inventory and kind of that sort of relates to I think Jeff's first question right, where as they as the customer gets their their inventory normalized is there a period, where you see.
So I take from that is a big big colonoscopy quarter is what im hearing.
Tommy Moll from Stephens Your question. Please.
Moll from Stephens Your question please.
Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.
Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.
That's the way to think about it.
Good morning, Tommy.
Good morning, Tommy.
Yes.
Sure.
I wanted to start.
I wanted to start.
Yeah.
On your revised revenue outlook, so up several hundred basis points from when we spoke last quarter. If we look at it by segment.
On your revised revenue outlook up several hundred basis points from when we spoke last quarter. If we look at it by segment.
Okay.
Thank you. Your next question is coming from Sarah James from Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is now live.
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Maybe an under ordering a couple of weeks that affects things and I think that's what we saw in some of our commercial businesses.
Last quarter.
Last quarter.
On the utility side with for mid singles plus for the year on the electrical side.
On the utility side with for mid singles plus for the year on the electrical side.
Thank you.
You could walk us through how you think about margin evolving as we start to come out of them.
Low singles, both on an organic basis, you well exceeded that on the utility side and came in light on the electrical side at least for the first quarter. So could you just re.
Low singles, both on an organic basis, you well exceeded that on the utility side and came in light on the electrical side at least for the first quarter. So could you just.
Makes sense okay. Thanks.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Sure.
Off of the peak.
And our next question comes from the line of.
Labor shortage.
So how much.
Refresh us on what the full year framework is on either side of your business.
Refresh us on what the full year framework is like on either side of your business.
Tommy Moll from Stephens Your question. Please.
Leverage can you get from scale as Youre able to staff up and then how do you think about some of the.
Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.
Yes, we've been quite careful to not re parse this framework into the two segments, but between them.
Yes, we've been quite careful to not re parse this framework into the two segments, but between them.
Good morning, Tommy.
Pay rate increases.
I wanted to start.
On your revised revenue outlook, so up several hundred basis points from when we spoke last quarter. If we look at it by segment.
Constantly flowing through to margin.
Thinking.
Thinking.
That volumes can be mid singles and I think that'll be obviously skewed towards utility being the the heavy contributor there.
That volumes can be mid singles and I think that'll be.
Hey, Sara its Dan good morning.
Listen obviously.
We skewed towards utility being the the heavy contributor there.
Last quarter the call on the utility side with for mid singles plus for the year on the electrical side.
We've strengthened our margins significantly.
For the past several years.
Okay.
Okay.
Not only.
Low singles.
Through USPI.
On an organic basis.
Make it a similar answer here, but I'll try anyway, just specifically for your non roads.
Make it a similar answer here, but I'll try anyway, just specifically for your non roads.
Hospital margins as well and we're very mindful of that and.
Well exceeded that on the utility side and came in light on the electrical side at least for the first quarter. So could you just refresh us on what the full year framework is like on either side of your business.
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<unk> and electrical.
As additional volumes.
Yes.
Yes.
<unk> there were down in the first quarter.
<unk> there were down in the first quarter.
Are treated and cared for.
It sounds like there's incrementally more caution in the second half of this year.
It sounds like there's incrementally more caution in the second half of this year.
Yes, we've been quite careful to not re parse this framework into the two segments, but between them.
Given the efficiency of our hospital platform, we think there's opportunities for margin expansion.
My assumption would be that your base cases for the volumes there to trend pretty consistently negative through the year.
My assumption would be that your base cases for the volumes there to trend pretty consistently negative through the year.
Thinking.
That volumes can be mid singles and I think that'll be obviously skewed towards utility being the the heavy contributor there.
And obviously the USPI is margins are phenomenal.
But if you could just comment there and also just.
But if you could just comment there and also just.
Depending on the quarter from the high <unk> to 40% territory.
Anything thats changed versus last quarter.
Anything thats changed versus last quarter.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Not I would say.
Not I would say.
But yes certainly.
I'd say, let me just.
I'd say, let me just.
Make it a similar answer here, but I'll try anyway, just specifically for your non roads.
Adding additional volumes can help in terms of given.
Restate a couple of things one is I don't think we are increasingly cautious on the second half I don't think.
Restate a couple of things one is I don't think we are increasingly cautious on the second half I don't think.
At least on the hospital side, there's certain fixed costs and so we can take on additional volumes and be profitable within and have a nice margin associated with it.
<unk> and electrical.
If if volumes there were down in the first quarter.
We have that.
We have that.
Secondly, I think that.
Secondly, I think that.
It sounds like there's incrementally more caution in the second half of this year.
One of the interesting elements of seeing the electrical contract a little bit in Q1.
One of the <unk>.
Interesting elements of seeing the electrical contract a little bit in Q1.
The operators do vary.
My assumption would be that your base cases for the volumes there to trend pretty consistently negative through the year, but if you could just comment there and also just.
Yeah.
They've done a really just a phenomenal job during.
It is a function of the fact that they grew quite dramatically in the first quarter of 'twenty, two and their sequential ramp up from the fourth quarter, which as I said typically comes down was up significantly last year. So we had this.
It is a function of the fact that they grew quite dramatically in the first quarter of 'twenty, two and their sequential ramp up from the fourth quarter, which as I said typically comes down was up significantly last year. So we had this.
Several years.
And driving efficiencies and incredibly.
Anything thats changed versus last quarter.
Highly inflationary and challenging.
Yes.
Not I would say.
Environment and you see it in.
I'd say, let me just.
Really hard compare Tommy and so to answer your question.
Really hard compare Tommy and so to answer your question.
Restate a couple of things one is I don't think we are increasingly cautious on the second half I don't think.
Our cost statistics clearly.
To me you start to get a little more reliant on sequential analysis and the fact that we were flat from <unk> to <unk>.
To me it start to get a little more reliant on sequential analysis and the fact that we were flat from <unk> to <unk>.
In terms of commercial pricing as I mentioned earlier.
We have that.
We feel very good where we're at from a contracting perspective.
Secondly, I think that one of the <unk>.
Suggests to me some favorability.
Suggests to me some favorability.
In more recent negotiations.
Interesting elements of seeing the electrical contract a little bit in Q1.
But but as the compare won't be as hard as we go forward. So.
But but as the compare won't be as hard as we go forward. So.
We've been able to negotiate.
Rates.
It is a function of the fact that they grew quite dramatically in the first quarter of 'twenty, two and their sequential ramp up from the fourth quarter, which as I said typically comes down was up significantly last year. So we had this.
Annual escalators that are a little bit higher than historically, we may have negotiated so we feel good about where we're at from a contracting perspective.
I think thats I think that inform sort of our outlook, but I wouldn't say, we've increased our caution in the second half and maybe maybe adding to that a little bit as to give you some insight into the complexities that we're working through and the thought process.
I think thats I think that inform sort of our outlook, but I wouldn't say, we've increased our caution in the second half and maybe maybe adding to that a little bit as to give you some insight into the complexities that we're working through and the thought process that we are.
Thank you.
Really hard compare Tommy and so to answer your question.
Thank you next question is coming from Ben Hendrix from RBC capital markets. Your line is now live.
To me you start to get a little more reliant on sequential analysis and the fact that we were flat from <unk> to <unk>.
Our supply chain normalizes again.
Our supply chain normalizes again.
Hi, Thank you very much certainly appreciate the sequential color on improvement in agency cost NSW B, but could you talk a little bit about how that impacted inpatient capacity constraints specifically your peer HCA noted decline in re admission declines.
Now seeing that in.
Now seeing that in.
Parts of our business specifically in some of the non <unk> businesses.
Parts of our business specifically in some of the non <unk> businesses, you're really dealing with a couple of things. One is just by the fact of lead times coming down should should.
Suggests to me some favorability.
You are really dealing with a couple of things. One is just by the fact of lead times coming down should should.
But but as the compare won't be as hard as we go forward. So.
Allow customers to not place orders for a little while and then place them again.
Allow customers to not place orders for a little while and then place them again.
Percentage of inpatient volume and I hope you can give us an idea of how that has trended for the acute segment now you see that progressing this year given your labor strategy. Thank you.
I think thats I think that inform sort of our outlook, but I wouldn't say, we've increased our caution in the second half and maybe maybe adding to that a little bit as to give you some insight into the complexities that we're working through and the thought process.
Second component Thats going on at the same time, it's one of these lead times are coming down the supply chain becomes more predictable.
Second component that's going on at the same time, it's one of these lead times are coming down the supply chain becomes more predictable.
Customers and distributors don't need to have the inventory levels that they need.
Customers and distributors don't need to have the inventory levels that they need.
This is Tom I mean I think.
Probably as I as I indicated before I think probably the most important marker that we look at is the.
Needed when there was a lot of uncertainties at the same time, we're seeing some some of the inventories coming down and managing both dose dynamics.
Needed when there was a lot of uncertainties at the same time, we're seeing some some of the inventories coming down and managing both dose dynamics.
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Our supply chain normalizes again.
Now seeing that in.
Contract labor rate I mean, where.
Parts of our business specifically in some of the non dress businesses you are really dealing with a couple of things. One is just by the fact of lead times coming down.
We're building up our workforce, we have been focused on that for over a year. It has been slow going its improving quarter over quarter over quarter, which is a good thing in terms of recruiting and retention.
That's what creates some challenges for us, though to fully understand at what level as each distributor doing this some are some arent.
It's what creates some challenges for us to fully understand at what level as each distributor doing this some are some arent.
Sure.
Are they really following the lead times down to are they still.
Are they really following the lead times down to are they still.
Allow customers to not place orders for a little while and then place them again, the second component that's going on at the same time. It's one of these lead times are coming down the supply chain becomes more predictable.
But ultimately the structural shortages in the market from a labor perspective haven't just disappeared.
Nervous and placing outside so theres a lot of complexity, which is why we're taking a more cautious.
Nervous and placing auto side. So there's a lot of complexity, which is why we're taking a more cautious.
We moved from 'twenty two to 'twenty, three and so contract labor is still an important resource, but as those contract labor rates.
Approach kind of going into the second half for these dynamics.
Approach kind of going into the second half for these dynamics.
Predictable.
Customers and distributors don't need to have the inventory levels that they need it when there was a lot of uncertainties at the same time, we're seeing some some of the inventories coming down and managing both dose dynamics.
I appreciate it and I'll turn it back thank you.
I appreciate it and I'll turn it back thank you.
Begin to normalize you can use that contract labor more freely to open up capacity.
Yes.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
For us.
Yeah.
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Our next question comes from the line of Josh <unk> from Morgan Stanley. Your question. Please.
Our next question comes from the line of Josh <unk> from Morgan Stanley. Your question. Please.
Math equation, if you will on where we open up capacity and how varies a bit because our markets are in different stages of recovery different kind of cost structures, even different contract labor rates that we face in different markets and so we kind of take that market by market I think part of the volume strength that you saw in Q1 reflected the fact that we.
It's what creates some challenges for us to fully understand at what level as each distributor doing this some are some arent.
Hi, good morning, guys.
Hi, good morning, guys.
Good morning, Josh.
Josh.
So I apologize I missed a little bit in the prepared remarks, the call kept dropping but I just wanted to get a little bit more on the utility side.
So I apologize I missed a little bit in the prepared remarks, the call kept dropping but I just wanted to get a little bit more on the utility side.
Are they really following the lead times down to are they still.
Nervous and placing ourselves so there's a lot of complexity, which is why we're taking a more cautious.
I think even to start the year there were some <unk>.
I think even to start the year.
As we indicated opened up access to some of our services a bit more than we had in the past and that's good because.
Signaling that maybe things could be a little bit better you saw like the the EI capex forecast look pretty healthy which is seasonally atypical, but just trying to get maybe my arms around how much of this is.
Signaling that maybe things could be a little bit better you saw like the EI capex forecast look pretty healthy, which is seasonally atypical, but just trying to get maybe my arms around how much of this is.
Approach kind of going into the second half for these dynamics.
It's not only testing whether the demand is there, but it's also our ability to service it at healthy margins.
I appreciate it and I'll turn it back thank you.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
And that ended up being a good test for this quarter and so we'll keep pushing on that but we are also very focused on <unk>.
Yeah.
Customers kind of preparing to do work and maybe building up some inventory how much of this is maybe stimulus related something like IRI because.
Customers kind of preparing to do work and maybe building up some inventory how much of this is maybe stimulus related something like <unk>.
Our next question comes from the line of Josh <unk> from Morgan Stanley. Your question. Please.
Trying to drive contract labor unit rates.
Hi, good morning, guys.
Because we've been in this environment of grid hardening and grid investment for a while and this is just a big step function change so trying to pin down how much of this is kind of episodic versus run rate.
Back towards pre pandemic levels, though they won't get all the way there, perhaps we're driving in that direction. This year.
Because we've been in this environment of grid hardening and grid investment for a while and this is just a big step function change so trying to pin down how much of this is kind of episodic versus run rate.
Good morning, Josh.
I apologize I missed a little bit in the prepared remarks, the call kept dropping but I just wanted to dig in a little bit more on the utility side.
I think even to start the year.
Thank you.
Yes, maybe I'll start building.
Yes, maybe I'll start building.
Signaling that maybe things could be a little bit better you saw like the the EI capex forecast look pretty healthy which is seasonally atypical, but just trying to get maybe my arms around how much of this is.
Thank you next question is coming from Andrew Mok from UBS. Your line is now live.
And I would say if you look at the underlying demand in the utility.
And I would say if you look at the underlying demand in the.
Utility.
Hi, Good morning, adjusted admits were up six 7% in the quarter and outpaced outpaced in patient admissions by about 240 basis points can you help us understand what's driving that spread there werent any obvious drivers in the outpatients that would blend adjusted admin higher thanks.
It's still very strong and we've seen that.
It's still very strong and we've seen that.
I'll try it the last couple of years ramp up and we believe that that fundamental.
I'll try it for the last couple of years ramp up and we believe that that's fundamental.
Customers kind of preparing to do work and maybe building up some inventory how much of this is maybe stimulus related something like IRI.
Longer term demand, but bill thoughts about mixed single digits.
Longer term demand, let bill thoughts about mixed single digits.
Still.
It's still.
Yes, Andrew it's Dan it's a mix of the intensity of the outpatient volume the gross revenue in relation to the inpatient side.
Very much intact, our improvement has been in Tripoli more driven by our ability to bring.
Very much intact.
Because we've been in this environment of grid hardening and grid investment for a while and this is just a big step function change so trying to pin down how much of this is kind of episodic versus run rate.
The improvement has been in Tripoli more driven by our ability to.
Bring up our production capacities and with some of these investments that we're making we're not able to ship more you can see that despite all of those efforts with that chart that bill showed you that backlog.
Bring up our production capacities and with some of these investments that we're making we're not able to ship more you can see that despite all of those efforts with that chart that bill showed you that backlog.
That's the primary driver there.
Yeah, maybe I'll start building.
Obviously, we got our volume our volume strength in the quarter was very strongly we're pleased.
And I would say if you look at the underlying demand in the utility.
Has still not come down it's actually flattening a little bit.
Has still not come down it's actually flattening a little bit.
It's still very strong and we've seen that.
With what we saw and it was consistent throughout the quarter, which was which was encouraging too.
Something we are expecting.
Something we are expecting.
Charles the last couple of years ramp up and we believe that that is fundamental.
We ramp up production and as lead times come back and so I would say we're still.
We've ramped up production in this lead times come back and so I would say we're still.
Got it so it's a mix and acuity on the outpatient side was false.
Longer term demand, let bill talk about mixed single digits.
Yes.
Yes.
A driver of the strength there.
Very bullish on the fundamentals here I think the infrastructure bills are actually very early we expect more of that impact to come into next year in the next couple of years or so.
Very bullish on the fundamentals here I think the infrastructure bills are actually very early we expect more of that impact to come into next year in the next couple of years or so.
It's still.
Yes.
Yes.
Very much intact.
The contributor to it.
And as I said zinc.
Encouraging not only on the hospital side, but also on the USPI side. The volumes were generally speaking strong throughout the quarter.
Our improvement has been in Tripoli more driven by our ability to.
Bring up our production capacities and with some of these investments that we're making we're not able to ship more and you can see that despite all of those efforts with that chart that bill showed you that backlog.
Yes, I don't think the increase.
Yes.
Thank the increase.
Got it thank you.
As unusual by the actions that we're taking is just coming up a little faster than we anticipated with some of these investments that we're making I.
As unusual abide by the actions that were taken just coming up a little faster than we anticipated with some of these investments that we're making.
Thank you next question today is coming from Jason Cazorla from Citigroup. Your line is now live.
Has still not come down it's actually flattening a little bit.
I think Josh if you were thinking it should be mid single if you take price out this is sort of high single to double digit volume.
I think Josh if you were thinking it should be mid single if you take price out this is sort of high single to double digit volume.
Great. Thanks, just wanted to ask about uncompensated care trends it looks like bad debt in the quarter was up pretty decently year over year that could be a comp issue, but any color on what drove that bad debt expense higher and just overall uncompensated care up call it 12% year over year in <unk> I think that uncompensated care established.
Something we are expecting.
We ramp up production and as lead times come back in so I would say we're still.
Yes.
So.
So.
Very bullish on the fundamentals here I think the infrastructure bills are actually very early where you expect more of that impact to come into next year in the next couple of years or so.
I do think can't prove this but I think we have a little share gain involved in this so partially.
I do think can't prove this but I think we have a little share gain involved in this so partially.
About 10% back in fourth quarter, two so just any color on uncompensated care trends would be helpful. Thanks.
I think we're outperforming the market just because our service levels and our capacity is a little bit better because we've supported with the investments that we needed to you asked about projects.
I think we're outperforming the market just because our service levels and our capacity is a little bit better because we've supported with the investment that we needed to you asked about projects.
Yes, I don't think the increase.
Yes.
Hey, Jason Stan.
As.
I would say.
<unk> by the actions that were taken just coming up a little faster than we anticipated with some of these investments that we're making.
The year over year.
<unk> is probably more last year.
Which is an interesting question.
Is an interesting question.
<unk> seen some some lower levels.
Because I do think the transmission side is quite healthy transmission tends to be more project driven.
Because I do think to transmission side is quite healthy transmission tends to be more project driven.
I think Josh if you were thinking it should be mid single if you take price out this is sort of high single to double digit volume.
I would tell you the.
Overall, the uncompensated care.
We.
It has a more forward look to it.
It has a more forward look to it.
I think it's been manageable.
So.
But net net do I think utilities are like stockpiling.
But.
We spent a lot of time with our conifer team and a hospital resources doing everything possible.
I do think can't prove this but I think we have a little share gain involved in this so partially.
Net net do I think utilities are like stockpiling.
Long term project partial inventories before they install it we don't we don't really see any evidence.
Long term project partial inventories before they install it we don't we don't really see any evidence.
For someone who does not have insurance.
I think we're outperforming the market just because our service levels and our capacity is a little bit better because we've supported with the investment that we needed to you asked about projects, which is an interesting question.
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We assist them and we do an incredible job finding other forms of insurance through our <unk>.
Of that so.
Of that so.
I think it's I guess I would say not sure. If this is.
I think it's I guess I would say not sure. If this is bud.
Eligibility enrollment program.
So yes.
I wouldn't say we're I.
Ill respond to your question sand I think the demand is a little bit stronger than the mid single that we think is the long run I think we've got a little bit of share in that that's that's kind of working out to our advantage and as frankly.
We're just part of your question sand I think the demand is a little bit stronger than the mid single that we think is the long run I think we've got a little bit of share in that that's that's kind of working out to our advantage and as frankly.
I Wouldnt say youre never concerned about uncompensated care, but.
Because I do think to transmission side is quite healthy transmission tends to be more project driven.
No.
The trends are essentially in line with what our expectations are so far this year.
It has a more forward look to it.
Okay got it thank you.
But.
Compelling us to continue to invest the capex in the business because.
Compelling us to continue to invest capex in the business because the.
Thank you. Our final question today is coming from Stephen Baxter from Wells Fargo. Your line is now live.
Net net do I think utilities are like stockpiling.
The margins are there to generate really good returns for this incremental volume that we can get.
The margins are there to generate really good returns for this incremental volume that we can get.
Long term project partial inventories before they install it we don't we don't really see any evidence.
Yeah, Hey, Thanks for the question I wanted to ask another one on the ambulatory side, it's a little bit of a longer term question. I was hoping you could talk a little bit more about the outlook for ortho procedure growth and the opportunity here over the next couple of years and then we have this massive shift of ortho procedures from the inpatient hospital setting to the outpatient hospital setting compared to where we were pre COVID-19.
Got it Super helpful. And then just with kind of all the consternation around commercial construction I know, it's hard to follow every cable going into all the way to the job site.
Got it Super helpful. And then just with kind of all the consternation around commercial construction I know, it's hard to follow every cable gland, all the way to the job site.
That so.
I think it's I guess I would say not sure. If this is.
I will respond to your question sand I think the demand is a little bit stronger than the mid single that we think is the long run I think we've got a little bit of share in that that's that's kind of working out to our advantage and as frankly.
Any sense for what percentage of the business, we should think about as kind of true new non res construction versus something that may be kind of away from the commercial element or more I'll call. It retrofit and maybe not as dependent on something like that.
Or what percentage of the business, we should think about as kind of true new non res construction versus something that may be kind of away from the commercial element or more I'll call. It retrofit, maybe not as dependent on something like that.
I guess for the ASC is do you think about this shift as having pulled forward the opportunity there in a meaningful way and then second what do you need to do strategically to help migrate these procedures into your assays.
Compelling us to continue to invest the capex in the business because the margins are there to generate really good returns for this incremental volume that we can get.
Yes, I mean, I think I think a couple of things I mean first of all.
You are right that.
Yes.
Yes.
A lot of what used to be done inpatient with a multi day stay even if it is a short stay.
I think the answer to that.
I think the answer to that.
Got it Super helpful. And then just with kind of all the consternation around commercial construction I know, it's hard to follow every cable going into all the way to the job site.
It's about.
It's about.
Is turning into hospital based outpatient surgery and.
It's about two thirds new.
It's about two thirds new.
I would say the moment you have something that turns into hospital based outpatient surgery. There is going to be a subset of patients that will qualify in an ambulatory surgery setting over time it'll be more of the comorbidities that patients have that determined the site of care rather than the.
And the balance is Reno.
And the balance is Reno.
For what percentage of the business, we should think about as kind of true new non res construction versus something that may be kind of away from the commercial element or more I'll call. It retrofit and maybe not as dependent on something like that.
And I.
And I agree, yes, that's sort of an estimate on our part.
I agree, yes, that's sort of an estimate on our part.
Got it okay. Thanks, I'll leave it there best of luck guys.
Got it okay. Thanks, I'll leave it there guys.
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Nature of the potential procedure and what that recovery will look like.
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Yes.
From the standpoint of being able to ambulate and get home.
Sure.
I think the answer to that.
On a same day basis, and so that's really I think what will end up determining what the ultimate mix of inpatient hospital based outpatient, especially when there's certain comorbidities that that one needs to be careful with versus a fully ambulatory ASC outpatient setting I would tell you that R. R.
Hi, good morning.
Hi, good morning.
Good morning, Joe Good morning.
Good morning, Joe Good morning.
It's about.
Hi, I wanted to start on margins it looks like the guide is implying that margins for the full year would be lower than where you were in the first quarter doesn't sound like any of the commentary about the second quarter, which suggests that we would see something like that so one just to clarify that and then two kind of what.
Hi, I wanted to start on margins it looks like the guide is implying that margins for the full year would be lower than where you were in the first quarter doesn't sound like any of the commentary about the second quarter, which suggests that we would see something like that so one just to clarify that and then two kind of what.
It's about two thirds new.
And the balance is Reno.
And I agree, yes, that's sort of an estimate on our part.
Our belief in the ASC setting in this area.
Got it okay. Thanks, I'll leave it there best of luck guys.
What youre thinking about in terms of the <unk>.
What youre thinking about in terms of the back half of the year and what could contribute to margins maybe coming in a little bit.
For much more runway comes from the fact that.
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Half of the year and what could contribute to margins, maybe coming in a little bit.
We continue to see growth in the ASC setting, we continue to see new patients, including Medicare senior patients that are older being effectively treated in the ASC setting along with expanding the commercial market and we continue to see physicians coming to USPI wanting to initiate.
Lower than where you were in the first quarter.
Slower than where you were in the first quarter.
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Yes, Joe So let's start with your first point, which is that we do see momentum into the second quarter that we think.
Yes, Joe So let's start with your first point, which is that we do see momentum into the second quarter that we think.
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Joe Good morning.
Hi, I wanted to start on margins it looks like the guide is implying that margins for the full year would be lower than where you were in the first quarter doesn't sound like any of the commentary about the second quarter, which suggests that we would see something like that so one just to clarify that and then two kind of.
As first quarter like in terms of.
As first quarter like in terms of.
In terms of that so yes.
In terms of that so so yes.
<unk> there.
Secondly.
Secondly.
There first.
The way this guide works you're right, it's not just seasonally taken a first half and using the typical growth in margins off of that so.
The way this guide works Youre right its not just seasonally taken a first half and using the typical growth in margins off of that so.
Orthopedics de Novo work in our centers either through New center development ore.
Joining existing centers. So I think there's still demand and runway to go for ASC based orthopedics longer term, what we're focused on is looking at areas within orthopedics or even spine work.
What youre thinking about in terms of the back half of the year and what could contribute to margins maybe coming in a little bit.
We've injected.
We've injected.
Caution just because we don't know.
Caution just because we don't know.
Lower than where you were in the first quarter.
One of the things we're expecting.
One of the things we're expecting.
Yes, Joe So let's start with your first point, which is that we do see momentum into the second quarter that we think.
Is to invest more in the second half and that'll be a combination of growth investing in productivity investing in.
Is to invest more in the second half.
<unk> are very much done in the acute care hospital and developing clinical algorithms to figure out how to safely do those types of procedures more actively in the ASC setting. So in orthopedics and example of that would be shoulder surgery and as I indicated spine surgery and I think we will see a migration in those areas in a.
That'll be a combination of growth investing in productivity investing in.
As first quarter like in terms of.
But just I think we felt we have decent visibility to the second quarter.
But just I think we felt we have decent visibility to the second quarter.
In terms of that so yes.
Secondly.
The way this guide works you're right, it's not just seasonally taken a first half and using the typical growth in margins off of that so.
And it feels like it gets more opaque to us.
And it feels like it gets more opaque to us.
Few years as well.
I think if I were to maybe rephrase your question and say it trends.
If I were to maybe rephrase your question and say it trends.
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Continue as they are in the first half into the second we would actually do better.
Continue as they are in the first half into the second we would actually do better.
Caution just because we don't know.
One of the things we're expecting.
Then this guide so the guide is just has.
Then this guide so the guide is just has.
Our cautious second half, we think out of prudence.
Our cautious second half, we think out of prudence.
Is to invest more in the second half and that'll be a combination of growth investing in productivity investing in.
We don't want to get our cost structure.
We don't want to get our cost structure.
Too far ahead at the same time, if there is growth in volume there we're going to we feel very confident we can get our share and more than that so but so I think your observations are very accurate, yes, yes.
Too far ahead at the same time, if there is growth in volume there we're going to we feel very confident we can get our share and more than that so but so I think your observations are very accurate, yes, yes.
But just I think we felt we have decent visibility to the second quarter.
And it feels like it gets more opaque to us.
If I were to maybe rephrase your question and say if trends continue as they are in the first half into the second we would actually do better.
I think bill stated during his prepared remarks, a little bit of first quarter is a lot of things going in the right direction for us both.
Thank you Bill stated during his prepared remarks, a little bit of the first Florida has a lot of things going in the right direction for us both.
Pricing that carried over to the new pricing that we implement at the same time that we saw some of the commodities actually going down.
Pricing that carried over to the new pricing that we implement at the same time that we saw some of the commodities actually going down.
And then this guy so the guide is just has.
Our cautious second half, we think out of prudence.
We don't want to get our cost structure out.
Some of that is reversed and so we're seeing commodities actually go up and that would be certainly a slide.
Some of that is reversed and so we're seeing commodities actually go up and that would be certainly a slide.
Too far ahead at the same time, if there is growth in volume there we're going to we feel very confident we can get our share and more than that so but so I think your observations are very accurate, yes, yes.
Headwinds for the second quarter. The other one is around pricing and our view on pricing is that we've generally been able to hold onto it longer rather than shorter I think in this environment.
Headwinds for the second quarter. The other one is around pricing and our view on pricing is that we've generally been able to hold onto it longer rather than shorter I think in this environment.
Thank you Bill stated during his prepared remarks, a little bit of the first Florida has a lot of things going in the right direction for us both.
Particularly going to be true, but the magnitude of some of the price increases.
Particularly going to be true, but the magnitude of some of those price increases.
So, it's a little bit cautious to there.
So, it's a little bit cautious to their Av.
Pricing that carried over to the new pricing that we implement at the same time that we saw some of the commodities actually going down.
If with the aerospace can you hold onto those prices longer term.
But the aerospace dawn can you hold onto those prices longer term.
And then the last part is around what I talked about.
Then the last part is around what I talked about.
Some of that is reversed and so what we're seeing in commodities actually go up and that would be certainly a slight.
Of our supply chain to come back in what happened.
Of our supply chain to come back in what happened.
More shorter term basis with inventory levels and how to manage through that so just a little more certainty uncertainty going into into that second half with some of these variable that has us a little more cautious but.
More shorter term basis with inventory levels and how to manage through that so just a little more certainty uncertainty going into into that second half with some of these variable that has us a little more cautious but.
Headwinds for the second quarter. The other one is around pricing and our view on pricing is that we've generally been able to hold onto it longer rather than shorter I think in this environment.
It could be better.
It could be better.
I appreciate those details.
I appreciate those details.
Particularly going to be true, but the magnitude of some of those price increases.
And then also just wanted to ask about sort of maybe more opportunities on the cost side. When you talk about commodities getting a little bit better.
And then also just wanted to ask about sort of maybe more opportunities on the cost side. When you talk about commodity is getting a little bit better.
As I said, a little bit cautious to their Av.
But the aerospace can you hold onto those prices longer term.
Obviously monitoring that but but also just smooth operations.
Obviously monitoring that but also just smooth operations.
Then the last part is around what I talked about.
<unk> your suppliers are seeing some of the same types of benefits and so just wondering how you're approaching that dynamic if you see opportunities to sort of go to your suppliers.
<unk> your suppliers are seeing some of the same types of benefits and so just wondering how youre approaching that dynamic if you see opportunities to sort of go to your suppliers.
Of our supply chain to come back in what happened.
More shorter term basis with inventory levels and how to manage through that so just a little more certainty uncertainty coming into into that second half with some of these variable that has us a little more cautious but.
Wait for a little bit better cost profile, yes, yes, absolutely.
Wait for a little bit better cost profile, yes, yes, absolutely.
We're active in that.
We're active in that.
I would say not just with the supply side, but we're increasing our focus and this will be true.
I would say not just with the supply side, but we're increasing our focus and this will be.
It could be better.
I appreciate those details.
And then also just wanted to ask about sort of maybe more opportunities on the cost side. When you talk about commodity is getting a little bit better.
At <unk>. This year. This will go into next year on productivity.
This year. This will go into next year on productivity to bring that to a higher level, we've really struggled throughout defend epic with with productivity the factories aren't running smoothly and our supply chain.
That to a higher level, we've really struggled throughout defend.
Obviously monitoring that but but also just smoother operations.
With productivity factories, running smoothly and our supply chain.
<unk> your suppliers are seeing some of the same types of benefits and so just wondering how youre approaching that dynamic if you see opportunities to sort of go to your suppliers.
What's disrupted.
Disrupted.
So we're focused on one of those focuses is exactly what you said, it's gone back to our suppliers and looking for cost out. The other thing that I will say in this closing part of the investments and could go.
So we're focused on one of those focuses is exactly what you said, it's going back to that.
Our suppliers and looking for cost out the other thing that I will say in this closing part of the investments could go well partially go counter to what I'm just saying, we're also spending a lot of time to improve the resiliency of our business resiliency of supply chain. It's at the end what earns us the slide freemium and.
Look for a little bit better cost profile, yes, yes, absolutely.
Partially go counter to what I'm, just saying, we're also spending a lot of time to improve the resiliency of our business resiliency of supply chain. It's at the end was earned us the slide premium in the market as our delivery and our ability to service our customers and we're doing quite a bit of work to strengthen that supply chain.
We're active in that.
I would say not just with the supply side, but we're increasing our focus and this will be a trough.
This year. This will go into next year on productivity to bring that to a higher level, we've really struggled throughout defend with with productivity the factories aren't running smoothly and our supply chain.
The market is our delivery and our ability to service our customers and we're doing quite a bit of work to strengthen that supply chain in cases re shoring it in other cases.
In cases.
Shoring it in other cases.
Disrupted.
So we're focused on one of those focuses is exactly what you said is going back to that.
Finding duplicate.
Finding duplicate.
Our sources of supply in other times as a cost actually increase to us to do certainly investments with tooling, but it's one that will serve us well in the longer term and will help us retain some of that premium in the market.
Our sources of supply in other times as a cost actually increase to us to do so.
Our suppliers and looking for cost out the other thing that I will say in this close in part of the investments could go well partially go counter to what I'm just saying, we're also spending a lot of time to improve the resiliency of our business resiliency of supply chain. It's at the end was earned us the slide freemium and.
On the investment with tooling.
But it's one that will serve us well in the longer term and will help us retain some of that premium in the market.
So a lot of work in other words going on.
So a lot of work in other words going on.
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The market is our delivery on our ability to service our customers and we're doing quite a bit of work to strengthen that supply chain in cases, Rick shoring. It in other cases.
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Hi, Good morning, Thanks, guys. Thanks for the question.
Hi, good morning, Thanks, guys. Thanks for the questions.
Good morning Nigel.
So I'm going to.
Finding duplicate.
I don't know probably retread some of the some of the maybe re ask.
Our sources of supply in other times as a cost actually increase to us certainly investment with tooling, but it's one that will serve us well in the longer term and will help us retain some of that premium in the market.
I will now probably retread some of the some of the maybe.
The seasonality question different way, obviously utility margins were gangbusters.
The seasonality question a different way, obviously utility margins were gangbusters.
When you go back in time.
When you go back in time.
The one key module utilities that there will be the low point for the year clearly the guy doesn't embed that so just curious.
The one key module utilities that there will be the low point for the year clearly the guidance embed that so just curious.
So a lot of work in other words going on.
What could feasibly happen to maturity break that trend in the margin is there anything funky or onetime ish in the <unk> margins utilities, just really curious what are you assuming on the margin line for utilities as we go through the year.
What could possibly happen to materially break that trend in the margin is there anything funky or onetime ish in the one key margin utilities distributor curious what are you assuming on the margin line for utilities as we go through the year.
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Hi, Good morning, Thanks, guys. Thanks for the question.
Yes, I would say Nigel we really don't have a lot of noise or one timers.
Good morning.
Yes, I would say Nigel we really don't have a lot of noise or one timers.
I'm going to.
I will now probably retread some of the some of the maybe re ask.
The seasonality question different way, obviously utility margins were gangbusters.
And those margins I would say.
And those margins I would say.
If you took.
If you took.
When you go back in time.
Typical for quarter Hubbell year seasonality wise.
Typical for quarter Hubbell year seasonality wise.
The one key module utilities that normally the low point for the year clearly the guidance embed that so just curious.
There is less.
There is less.
What could possibly happen to maturity break that trend in the margin is there anything funky or onetime ish in the <unk> margins utilities, just really curious.
Activity installation of our material in the first and fourth quarter and more in the second and third as a result of weather.
Activity installation of our material in the first and fourth quarter and more in the second and third as a result of weather.
What are you assuming on the margin line for utilities as we go through the year.
And those volume changes typically drive.
And those volume changes typically drive.
Yes, I would say Nigel we really don't have a lot of noise or one timers.
The incremental drop through such that you.
Incremental drop through such that you.
You get the pattern that you just mentioned so.
You get the pattern that you just mentioned so.
And those margins I would say.
Part of what's different.
Part of what's different.
It's where we're operating at capacity.
If you took.
We're operating at capacity.
Typical for quarter Hubbell year seasonality wise.
Right now right.
Right now right.
Theres no theres going to be no seasonality in the sense of as the weather gets better we'll be able to ship more because we're kind of cranking away.
Theres no theres going to be no seasonality in the sense of as the weather gets better we'll be able to ship more because we're kind of cranking away.
There's less.
Activity installation of our material in the first and fourth quarter and more in the second and third as a result of weather.
I think the second is.
I think the second is <unk>.
Again thinking about price cost is a net number.
Again thinking about price cost is a net number.
And those volume changes typically drive.
And we sort of had both variables break right here in the first quarter.
And we sort of had both variables break right here in the first quarter.
Incremental drop through such that you.
You get the pattern that you just mentioned so.
Part of what's different.
With price being very strong as we said channel being very supportive.
With price being very strong as we said channel being very supportive.
We're operating at capacity.
We're operating at capacity.
Right now right.
And materials.
And materials.
Theres no theres going to be no seasonality in the sense of as the weather gets better we'll be able to ship more because we're kind of cranking away.
Materials are combination of commodities.
Materials are combination of commodities.
And components.
And components.
And <unk>.
And <unk>.
Actually being for the first time in the last few years actually being a tailwind and we're not anticipating that tailwind to continue Nigel so as we saw the commodities pick up starting in the new year, we're thinking that it'll be inflation to us so.
Actually being for the first time in the last few years actually being a tailwind and we're not anticipating that tailwind to continue Nigel so as we saw with the commodities pick up starting in the new year, we're thinking that it'll be inflation to us so.
I think the second is.
Again thinking about price cost is a net number.
And we sort of had both variables break right here in the first quarter.
It is.
It is.
With price being very strong as we said channel being very supportive.
I know what you are saying when you look at a typical year. It has that seasonality you think things are getting better from here to us.
I know what Youre, saying when you look at a typical year. It has that seasonality you think things are getting better from here to us.
And materials.
We may be just in a little more of a sequential kind of analytic framework then VP y.
We may be just in a little more of a sequential kind of analytic framework then VP y.
Materials are combination of commodities.
And components.
And <unk>.
We're kind of building off the first quarter.
Because we're kind of building off the first quarter.
Actually being for the first time in the last few years actually being a tailwind and we're not anticipating that tailwind to continue Nigel so as we saw the commodities pick up starting in the new year, we're thinking that will be inflation to us. So.
No I agree with that thanks for that thanks for the color Bill and then we.
No I agree with that thanks for that thanks for the color Bill and then we'll.
We talked about potential <unk>.
<unk> talked about potential ends.
Commercial data center is a relatively small market you guys, but it's growing and.
Commercial data center is a relatively small market you guys, but it's growing and obviously will continue to grow.
We will continue to grow.
What are you seeing in that market because there's a lot of chatter about weakening trends just curious what your perspective based on data center.
Are you seeing in that market because there's a lot of chatter about weakening trend just curious what your perspective based on data center.
It is.
I know what you are saying when you look at a typical year. It has that seasonality you think things are getting better from here to us.
Yes, I think maybe.
Yes, I think maybe.
Because maybe because we are small we still even if the fangs.
Because maybe because we are small we still even if the fangs.
We may be just in a little more of a sequential kind of analytic framework then VP y.
Our firing people.
Our firing people.
We're kind of building off the first quarter.
We don't.
We don't you could read that as Oh man, they're not going to invest.
Read that as AUM and theyre not going to invest in.
No I agree with that thanks for that thanks for the color Bill and then we'll talk about residential.
In data centers and.
In data centers and.
We just think they where my head maybe in the pandemic.
We just think they where my head maybe in the pandemic overstaffed themselves as the war on talent kind of made them all higher each other's people a little bit so we're sort of looking more.
Commercial data center is a relatively small market you guys, but it's growing and.
Overstaffed themselves as the war on talent kind of made them all higher each other's people a little bit so we're sort of looking more.
We will continue to grow.
What are you seeing in that market because there's a lot of chatter about weakening trend just curious what your perspective based on data center.
As they are spec ing out these new data centers I would say they continue to revisit designs.
They're spec it out these new data centers I would say they continue to revisit designs.
Yes, I think maybe.
Because maybe because we are small we still even if the fangs.
And they really are focusing on speed.
And they really are focusing on speed.
Our firing people.
And.
And.
That's what they're saying to us and it's it's possible Nigel that because.
That's what they are saying to us and it's it's possible Nigel that because we still are kind of enhancing our footprint here through better vertical sales force.
We don't you could read that as AUM and theyre not going to invest in.
We still are kind of enhancing our footprint here through better vertical sales force.
In data centers and.
We just think they where my head maybe in the pandemic.
Better balance of systems with products. This new acquisition is giving us quite a lot of visibility at the front end of projects. So.
Better balance of systems with products. This new acquisition is giving us quite a lot of visibility at the front end of projects. So.
Overstaffed themselves as the war on talent kind of made them all higher each other's people a little bit so we're sort of looking more.
I'm not sure if I'm, saying, we're bullish because maybe we're coming from a small share.
I'm not sure if I'm, saying, we're bullish because maybe we're coming from a small share.
They're spec out these new data centers I would say they continue to revisit designs.
But.
But.
It just feels to us.
It just feels to us.
And they really are focusing on speed.
Like we see years of runway still in.
Like we see years of runway still in.
And.
That's what they're saying to us and it's it's possible Nigel that because we still are kind of enhancing our footprint here through better vertical sales force.
That may not be as much a market commentary as it is our franchise maybe.
That may not be as much a market commentary as it is our franchise maybe.
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Better balance of systems with products. This new acquisition is giving us quite a lot of visibility at the front end of projects. So.
Thank you.
Thank you.
<unk> produced a very strong 35% gross margin in the quarter.
Produce a very strong 35% gross margin in the quarter.
I'm not sure if I'm, saying, we're bullish because maybe we're coming from a small share.
I know that there were some seasonal impact and obviously very strong price cost.
I know that there were some seasonal impact and obviously very strong price cost.
So I do just kind of curious what you guys think is like normalized gross margin for the business.
So I do just kind of curious what you guys think is like normalized gross margin for the business.
But.
It just feels to us.
Like we see years of runway still in.
I believe you said that relative to February the expectation is for a bigger price cost tailwind this year.
I believe you said that relative to February the expectation is for a bigger price cost tailwind this year.
That may not be as much a market commentary as it is our franchise maybe.
And that comes despite metal replacement over the past couple of months. So just kind of curious more color on that thank you.
And that comes despite metal, replacing over the past couple of months. So just kind of curious more color on that thank you.
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Yes, Chris So maybe let's start with your price cost, yes. So.
Yes, Chris So maybe let's start with your price cost, yes. So.
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The pricing actions that we're taking at the end of the year that we didn't have insight into their stickiness when we shared.
The pricing actions that we're taking at the end of the year that we didn't have insight into their stickiness when we shared.
Thank you.
Produce a very strong 35% gross margin in the quarter.
I know that there are some seasonal impact and obviously very strong price cost.
Our full year outlook at the end of January.
Our full year outlook at the end of January.
So I do just kind of curious what you guys think is like normalized gross margin for the business.
It was it was a much better take up than we expected and much better than historical average on price increase take up so the price side of that is quite a bit bigger and then it really does dominate and overwhelm.
It was it was a much better take up than we expected and much better than historical average price increased take up so the price side of that is quite a bit bigger and then it really does dominate and overwhelm.
Also believe you said that relative to February the expectation is for a bigger price cost tailwind this year.
And that comes despite metal replace and over the past couple of months I'm, just kind of curious more color on that thank you.
Yes, Chris So maybe let's start with your price cost, yes. So.
What will happen from there.
What will happen from the amount of inflation that we've seen in the new year on the materials side.
The amount of inflation that we've seen in the new year on the materials side.
The pricing actions that we're taking at the end of the year that we didn't have insight into their stickiness when we shared.
And as.
And as.
As.
As.
I think Joe was asking.
I think Joe was asking.
Beyond materials, we've got to do.
<unk> materials, we've got to do.
Our full year outlook at the end of January.
A really good job of working our suppliers and making sure.
A really good job of working our suppliers and making sure.
It was it was a much better take up than we expected and much better than historical average on the price increase take up so the price side of that is quite a bit bigger and then it really does dominate and overwhelm.
That any lower material costs, they got in 'twenty two.
That any lower material costs, they got in 'twenty two.
That that's getting passed through to us. So we've got to do a really good job to make sure that that cost side is manage Chris but.
That that's getting passed through to us. So we've got to do a really good job to make sure that that cost side is manage Chris but.
What will happen from there.
The amount of inflation that we've seen in the new year on the materials side.
I do think.
I do think.
I do think that the price cost.
I do think that the price cost.
And as.
Which we we had to have price when we when we last talked about this week.
Which we we had to have price.
As.
When we last talked about this week.
I think Joe was asking.
Beyond materials, we've got to do.
We've added a couple of points to that.
We've added a couple of points to that.
That's <unk>.
A really good job of working our suppliers and making sure.
<unk>.
Quite quite meaningful.
Quite quite meaningful.
Thank you I appreciate that and then if I could just ask one more quick one.
Thank you I appreciate that and then if I could just ask one more quick one.
That any lower material costs, they got in 'twenty two.
For T&D.
For T&D.
Expectation that Theres long term mid single digit sustainable growth. So I was just kind of curious when do you think the business will kind of compressed back to that level is that like a 2024 expectation or where do you think you could still realized outsized growth even through next year as well. Thank you.
Expectation that Theres long term mid single digit sustainable growth. So I was just kind of curious when do you think the business will kind of compressed back to that level is that like a 2024 expectation or where do you think you could still realized outsized growth even through next year as well. Thank you.
That that's getting passed through to us. So we've got to do a really good job to make sure that that cost side is manage Chris but.
I do think.
I do think that the price cost.
Yes, I think the.
Yes, I think.
Which we we had to have price when we when we last talked about this week.
Josh had asked about stimulus.
Josh had asked about stimulus.
And we're not seeing a ton of.
And we're not seeing a ton of.
We've added a couple of points to that.
Direct impact of the stimulus, yes, theres lots of planning around it.
Direct impact of the stimulus, yes, theres lots of planning around it.
That's <unk>.
Quite quite meaningful.
Thank you I appreciate that and then if I could just ask one more quick one.
I think it is true.
I think it is true.
Net.
Net.
Our customers are feeling that there is funding there and.
Our customers are feeling that there is funding there and so maybe in the absence of the stimulus Chris we might see that mid single digits, maybe materialize in 'twenty four.
For T&D.
Expectations are that there is long term mid single digit sustainable growth. So I was just kind of curious when do you think the business will kind of compressed back to that level is that like a 2024 expectation or where do you think you could still realized outsized growth even through next year as well. Thank you.
So maybe in the absence of the stimulus, Chris we might see that mid single digits, maybe materialize in 'twenty four.
It's also possible stimulus will give us.
It's also possible stimulus will give us.
A little lift up.
A little lift.
For a couple of years, but.
For a couple of years, but.
Yes, I think the.
That's all.
That's all.
Josh had asked about stimulus.
That's a little bit outside of our Crystal ball right now.
That's a little bit outside of our Crystal ball right now.
And we're not seeing a ton of.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Direct impact of the stimulus, yes, theres lots of planning around it.
One moment for our final question for today and our final question for today comes from the line of Christopher Glynn from Oppenheimer.
One moment for our final question for today and our final question for today comes from the line of Christopher Glynn from Oppenheimer.
I think it is true.
Net.
Thanks for squeezing me in and congrats on the Rocky start to the year.
Thanks for squeezing me in and congrats on a rocky start to the year.
Our customers are feeling that there is funding there and.
So maybe in the absence of the stimulus, Chris we might see that mid single digits, maybe materialize in 'twenty four.
So just had a follow up on the accelerated price realization in the quarter, particularly in utility solutions.
So just had a follow up on the accelerated price realization in the quarter, particularly in utility solutions.
It's also possible stimulus will give us.
Okay.
There is a long term dynamic where the utilities get rate increases to fund <unk>.
There is a long term dynamic where the utilities get rate increases to fund regulatory required capex imperatives. So I am curious you are talking about expanding capacity a lot. There is that dynamic starting to shift to you where utilities are.
A little lift for.
For a couple of years, but.
Regulatory required capex imperative. So I am curious you are talking about expanding capacity.
That's all.
That's a little bit outside of our Crystal ball right now.
Thank you.
There is that dynamic starting to shift to you where utilities are kind of guiding you in a sense to continue that capacity investment.
One moment for our final question for today and our final question for today comes from the line of Christopher Glynn from Oppenheimer.
Goading you in a sense to continue that capacity investment.
Thanks for squeezing me in and congrats on the Rocky start to the year.
I would say.
I would say incur.
Encouraged I would use rather than goaded, but we have yes.
Encouraged I would use rather than goaded.
So just had a follow up on the accelerated price realization in the quarter, particularly in utility solutions.
But we have.
Strong to violent.
Strong to violent.
Support from them that they.
Support from them that.
There is a long term dynamic where the utilities get rate increases to fund <unk>.
They're eager that we do that.
They're eager that we do that.
I would say they are backing that up I think by giving us a little more share in the short term since then.
I would say they are backing that up I think by giving us a little more share in the short term such that that's.
Regulatory required capex imperative. So I am curious you are talking about expanding capacity.
Encouraging us further but.
Encouraging us further but for.
For sure.
For sure.
There is that dynamic starting to shift to you where utilities are kind of guiding you in a sense to continue that capacity investment.
They.
<unk>.
There.
They're there.
There's even a case, where <unk> can tell you where.
There is even a case, where <unk> can tell you where.
I wanted to get into some lines of business that we don't even have just because they're looking for the lead time management to get better and they are thinking that we could do a better job and so yes. There is.
I wanted to get into some lines of business that we don't even have just because they are looking for the lead time management to get better and they are thinking that we could do a better job and so yes. There is there's a lot of what youre, saying going on yes, absolutely and the nice thing about our position in this is that.
I would say.
Encouraged I would use rather than goaded, but we have yes.
Strong to violent.
There's a lot of what youre seeing going on yes, absolutely.
Support from them that they.
Nice thing about our position in this is that we have direct engagement with a lot of the end users right. So we had firsthand insight and Bill mentioned, an example of a CEO that I should have been a couple of weeks ago and the conversation, but we have many of these conversations so our insight into where the demand is up and how sustainable.
They're eager that we do that.
I would say they are backing that up I think by giving us a little more share in the short term such that that's encouraging us further but.
We have direct engagement with a lot of the end users right. So we had firsthand insight and Bill mentioned, an example of a CEO that I should have been a couple of weeks ago and our conversation, but we have many of these conversations so our insight into where the demand is up and how sustainable or not that is quite good.
For sure.
<unk>.
They're there.
There is even a case, where <unk> can tell you where.
Or not that is quite good and that's why we're making the kind of levels of investments that we are right now.
I wanted to get into some lines of business that we don't even have just because they're looking for the lead time management to get better and they are thinking that we could do a better job and so yes. There is there is a lot of what youre seeing going on yes, absolutely and the nice thing about our position in this is that.
Why we're making the kind of levels of investments.
Right now in that.
Particularly in the utility business.
Particularly in the utility business.
Talk soon.
Talk soon.
Hey, Chris.
Hey, Chris.
Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program I'd now like to hand, the program back to Dan <unk> for any further remarks.
Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program I'd now like to hand, the program back to Dan Marino for any further remarks.
We have direct engagement with a lot of the end users right. So we had firsthand insight and Bill mentioned, an example of a CEO that I should have been a couple of weeks ago and our conversation, but we have many of these conversations so our insight into where the demand is up and how sustainable or not that is quite good.
Yes.
Maybe <unk>.
Thanks, Nicole difficulties. So he is.
<unk> so he is.
He would like to close the call and tell you all that he is going to be around all day and all week to answer questions. As you may have them. So I appreciate your interest thanks for attending.
He would like to close the call and tell you all that he is going to be around all day and all week to answer questions. As you may have them. So I appreciate your interest thanks for attending.
Why we're making the kind of levels of investments that we are.
Our right now.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program you may now disconnect good day.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program you may now disconnect good day.
Particularly in the utility business.
Thanks Sue.
Hey, Chris.
Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program I'd now like to hand, the program back to Dan <unk> for any further remarks.
And maybe adding a technical.
<unk> difficulties so he is.
He would like to close the call and tell you all that he is going to be around all day and all week to answer questions. As you may have them. So I appreciate your interest thanks for attending.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program you may now disconnect good day.
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Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Hubbell incorporated first quarter 2023 earnings Conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation. There will be a question and answer session to ask a question. During this session you will need to press star one on your telephone.
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As a reminder, today's program is being recorded and now I would like to introduce your host for today's program, Dan Morado, Vice President Investor Relations. Please go ahead Sir.
Thanks, operator, good morning, everyone and thank you for joining US earlier. This morning, we issued a press release announcing our results for the first quarter of 2023 press release and slides are posted to the investors section of our website at <unk> Dot com.
Go ahead today of our chairman President and CEO of Bourbon Barker, our executive Vice President and CFO Bill Sperry. Please note. Our comments. This morning may include statements related to the expected future results of our company and are forward looking statements as defined by the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1095. Therefore, please note the discussion of forward looking statements in our press release.
<unk> incorporated by reference into this call. Additionally comments May also include non-GAAP financial measures. Those measures are reconciled to the comparable GAAP measures and are included in the press release and slides now let me turn the call over to Gardner.
Great. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss <unk> first quarter 2023 results.
<unk> is off to a strong start to the year, our first quarter results exceeded our expectations driven primarily by three factors stronger stick rates and realization on incremental price actions.
Fact that ramp up of recent capacity investments and improved operational productivity.
We are raising our full year outlook. This morning to account for this outperformance.
Maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities as we navigate a more uncertain second half.
Our investments in capacity innovation and productivity are yielding strong returns and enabling us to effectively serve strong customer demand for hubbell critical infrastructure solutions.
Most notably utilities continued to actively harden and upgrade aging infrastructure, while also investing to facilitate renewables and electrification through new interconnections and enhanced smart grid applications.
We achieved double digit sales growth in the first quarter as improved production output enabled continued volume growth, while leading service levels supported continued demand strength and price realization.
Operationally, we achieved over 600 basis points of adjusted operating margin expansion in the quarter driven by favorable price cost and productivity. In addition to volume growth.
While utility solutions continued to perform exceptionally well in a strong market environment. We are also very pleased with the operating performance of electrical solutions, which achieved strong margin expansion and a more modest market backdrop.
We're executing well in our strategy to compete collectively as a unified Acs operating segments I will talk more about that later.
Before I turn it over to Bill to give you more details on our financial performance in the quarter I want to highlight a few recent accomplishments, which demonstrate that our strategy and the investments we are making into our business are driving value for all our key stakeholders.
First Hubbell power systems, and Brian are proud to have been named supplier of the year by two of our largest electrical distributors in 2022.
With strong demand and tight supply changing that utility T&D and industrial markets.
Laboring on commitments to get customers the product they need when they need it while maintaining consistent quality reliability and service is critically important.
While the supply chain environment remains challenging our ability to execute and our willingness to invest in production capacity and working capital has helped strengthen our long term relationships with major customers.
In our electrical segment. We're also pleased to have been recognized with product of the year Award by a major trade publication for two innovative product launches.
Each connect screw loose termination wiring devices as a product line, we launched last year, which innovate on a 100 year old product design.
Eliminating the need for installation tools and delivering 80% labor savings for installers.
Furnish quick share bolt is a new product for solar and wind markets, which eliminates the need for compression tooling and manual torque wrenches, simplifying conductor installation and saving the contracts are time in the field.
These are just a couple of examples of the investments, we're making into innovation to accelerate hubbell's organic growth profile and core markets as well as strategic growth verticals.
And finally for the third consecutive year hold was named one of the world's most ethical companies by Ethisphere, a distinction that recognizes all of our employees for their dedication and are holding our core values each and everyday.
One aspect of those core values is our commitment to sustainability and as many of you will have seen in March we released our annual sustainability report with refreshed multiyear goals to substantially reduce greenhouse gas emissions water usage and hazardous waste by 23rd.
These new golf supersede our initial 2025 goals, which we achieved ahead of schedule.
Sustainability is a core component of our business strategy not just in our own manufacturing and operations, but through the impact of our products and making critical infrastructure safer more reliable and more efficient.
We continue to accelerate our investments in areas like T&D infrastructure renewables utility automation electric vehicles and broadband communications.
Each of which offer attractive growth opportunities for our shareholders, while enabling humbled to further its mission to energize and electrify our economy and our communities in front and behind the meter.
Now, let me turn it over to Bill to give you some more details on our performance.
Thank you <unk> and good morning, everybody I appreciate your interest in Hubbell.
Wanted to start by reminding us when we were together in January talking about our full year outlook.
We established a couple of them.
The important components of our framework of that outlook.
First is that we were confident in our end markets that they would outgrow GDP function of some of the key electrification megatrends.
We were confident that we were well positioned in those end markets with brands and solutions and people processing technology to continue to satisfy and service the customer.
We felt that our pricing, which is in response to a couple of year impact of some inflation.
Had a set up well for 2023 with a couple of points of wrap around.
And we also stated that our.
Our visibility to the first half was better than the second half and so it was important for us to get off to a good start in.
We were trying to be explicit that we had a front half loaded.
Outlook as a result of that second half uncertainty and as <unk> said in my comments I'm starting on page five of the materials.
We exceeded our expectations significantly in the quarter.
Sales of $1 $2 9 billion.
11% growth.
Was the sixth consecutive quarter of double digit growth in sales for us I think pretty good indication.
A solid demand out there.
Right now that demand has notably skewed towards the utility side of our business versus the electrical and we'll talk a little bit more about that as we impact results.
<unk> margin of 27%.
20% level.
A milestone achievement for us.
And really driven by some of the <unk>.
Price cost drivers that.
And productivity of that curve and Ed mentioned.
Earnings up 70% to $3 61.
Nearly $1 50, almost of new earnings generated versus the prior year period and cash.
Cash flow. This is typically a seasonal low for us at the very beginning first quarter.
But a nice amount of cash being generated because.
The income.
That we generated.
So on page six.
Drill down a layer into that into that strong performance starting in the upper left with sales the.
The 11% growth.
Comprised of high single digit price increase.
And low single digit volume increase.
The volume varied by segment, where I was quite flat and electrical end and very strong growth in utility.
The LP on the upper right.
You see an increase to $267 million of op.
66% increase over the prior year.
And again at that 20% benchmark level.
Earnings per share grew just a little bit more than the operating profit driven obviously by that profit, but also taxes were just slightly.
Slightly lower this period ends on the net interest expense line, we have our <unk>.
Interest costs in the form of our bonds are fixed versus the cash we have earns variable rates and with rates rising.
We earned more income so reduced net interest expense so it got a little bit favorability below the line and inside of earnings.
The cash flow there you can see the compare to last year.
Right above it you see the amount of income becoming more cash flow.
Quite.
<unk> for us to have the cash to leave us in a position where we are poised to support our investment.
We are keen to.
Continue to increased Capex, we think there's excellent growth opportunities for us on the utility side and continues to be good productivity opportunity on the electrical side.
As well as to half.
More capital to support investing in acquisitions, and we will talk about a couple of the acquisitions, we've done and how they are doing since we brought them on.
Yes.
Unpack those results by.
By segment and Youll see different profile here as we go through.
Utility right now is the engine driving the Hubble enterprise.
We find ourselves with a very constructive set of market dynamics coupled with.
Really excellent positioning.
And our best in class, leading franchise that we've constructed.
Over the decades here.
With components communications.
And controls really from the backbone to the edge.
A really really strong franchises performing really well in these market conditions, so starting with sales the 20% growth in sales to $782 million.
Is comprised.
Roughly half from price increase.
Half from volume gains.
Sure.
The volume was skewed more towards the transmission and distribution component side versus the comms and control side.
We feel that the capex that we've been investing to add capacity has allowed us.
To grow sequentially and year over year.
And that's been really helpful. I think besides helping us grow it has helped us manage service levels.
The feedback we keep getting from customers is that service level is beating that of the competition and I think those service levels and turn.
Our reinforcing our value proposition in helping us support our pricing environment as well as we believe leading to some share gains.
On the volume side.
On the communications and controls you see 4% growth there.
Youll recall that through much of last year.
As bumping along flat.
And so we may be starting to see a little bit of buying in the supply of chips, allowing those meters.
To get.
Build 10 installed.
And we're looking forward to more of that as we go forward.
On the operating profit side, 87% growth to $191 million.
You see almost $90 million of new profit generated by this segment just really impressive.
<unk> financial performance for them.
You have.
Lots of things going right.
Have.
Price and material being positive.
On the pricing side Thats.
Our multi quarter trends that you all have seen.
On the material side.
Actually.
A little bit new to see.
There was actually some tailwind that came from materials.
As opposed to we had been facing inflation all of last year on that side. So both of those contributing tailwind, which as you see pushed up margins impressively.
The volume that we enjoyed drops through at attractive incrementals that helps push the margin up.
We've been talking to you about the impact of disrupted supply chains on.
And pairing our productivity last year, and we're seeing some return to normalcy in some of those dimensions, where that productivity is starting to come back and be positive. So.
A lot of drivers really helping lift the margin and propel the results of the utility segment.
We thought it would be helpful on page eight.
So maybe give a multiyear view of.
How the demand pattern has looked and we've shared with you here.
A picture of the backlog.
And what you can see is starting really at the beginning of 2021.
Very significant and sustained increase.
And the backlog on the utility side of <unk>.
Distribution and transmission components.
This is obviously driven by the fact that the demand.
<unk> exceeded our ability to be able to make and ship.
Amount of material.
And.
One of the reasons, we wanted to show you the page as we feel that that level of demand is not the norm.
Would not be sustainable level over the long time.
Essentially I think we see the order pattern was responding to longer lead times and the fact that we were in an increasing price environment. Both of those phenomena I think cause people to put their orders in earlier than they otherwise might and thats evidenced and supported by the facts.
But there is quite a bit of content in this backlog.
David longer than 90 days.
And so what we expect is that as we start to get the supply chain normalized get our lead times normalized.
And bring those factors down we think will be enabling our customers.
To get their orders.
Put in.
With the anticipation that will get the material much faster.
So our anticipation is that.
The order rate can come down and we will be reducing this backlog to get it back into balance and what we feel over the medium and long term as a mid single digit sustainable book.
Book, and Bill order and ship right.
And so we.
We really wanted to show you. This page it's part of what gives us the conviction to raise our guidance of turbine mentioned at the top.
We think this this momentum you start to create visibility through the better part of this year.
And so it gave us the confidence that that we could give you that increase in guidance.
On page nine.
We switch to the electrical segment.
And Youll see very strong profit performance an increase of 30%.
15% margins $76 million of op.
On flat sales.
That flat sales.
Includes.
On the acquisition of <unk>, which just to remind you was.
A very intentional increase in our exposure to the data center space.
That business is based down in Raleigh.
Kevin and I and some of our partners had.
The opportunity to go visit the team last week and Raleigh and.
It's great to see them flying the Hubble flag at their facility and see how excited they are to be part of the Hubbell family.
And the greater resources that we have which they believe is going to enable them.
To be a more capable competitors so welcome those folks.
To our family.
The counter is that the organic part of electrical was down a little bit.
We saw.
Softness in residential.
At the double digit level.
We had strength.
In our industrial markets and notably some of the verticals, we have been calling out in renewables.
Data center and telecom.
<unk>.
And I think.
One way in a time like this besides the the compare to prior year is to also look at the sequential trend in demand and sales.
And typical seasonality for us is to have the fourth quarter.
Lead to a slight decline in the first quarter of a couple of points that would be typical seasonal.
Progression.
And the fact that it's flat this year is a favorable compare to that typical season leads us to believe that demand is fairly.
Fairly healthy shape there.
Even more impressive for us on the electrical side was the margin performance and similar to utility.
Very good price material performance.
Same improve productivity, where the plants are becoming more.
<unk> after dealing with some of the inefficiencies forced on them by the pandemic.
We also thought on page 10, it would be worthwhile.
To show you.
How we are building around some of these identified verticals and you'll remember at Investor Day, and Kevin mentioned in his comments.
We're trying to compete collectively in the electrical segment.
At Investor Day, we shared some of the benefits of <unk>.
Transitioning from a three.
Three vertical silo.
Segment, two single segment.
We think there is efficiency gains, but also importantly effectiveness gains. This is an example of the ability to be more effective so we organized around.
The renewable in this example, the renewable vertical and again to remind you.
As solar and wind applications, we're not making solar panels were not making wind turbines are approaches around the balance of system of components.
Those applications require.
Those balances systems can come from different business units across our electrical segment. So the trick is to get the sales force to be very effective at cross selling.
To get the marketing team focused on helping to solve customer problems.
Yet.
The capital flowing towards new product development that can come out of that improved voice of customer that the.
Newly organized sales force can get Girvin mentioned, a couple of these products, but good examples of us.
Being able to serve a vertical more capably when we compete collectively as an electrical segment.
We thought a noteworthy to show you that in just three years at the bottom we've been able to double.
Our performance in the.
Vertical to about $100 million of exposure and we anticipate similar amount of growth as we move forward.
I think also think of this.
As a model of other verticals that we're intending to.
To become more vertically oriented around including data centers.
Telecom and electric vehicles, all of which.
We're using similar techniques to become better and more effective.
So how does.
How does this performance and all that we're doing how does it compare to what we said when we were together in January and where does it take us.
As we look out.
And to us important for us to share with you where do we see improvement where do we see things the same and what is still uncertain.
And on the improvement side, it's clearly it starts with the pricing actions.
So actions that we were contemplating at the end of the year.
And implemented in the new year.
Had stick rates far above historical averages.
And far above our expectations.
I think it's an example of the channel really.
Endorsing and embracing.
These pricing actions.
And that created a big improvement.
Wally.
You'll recall our capex.
<unk> gone from about 100.
Two the ballpark of $1 30 last year, we're anticipating taking it up to 160. This year those big improvements in Capex are paying off and our ability to ship more volume.
And certainly the productivity.
That was impaired a little bit last year by.
Our labor being.
Not available on a consistent basis materials, not being available on a consistent basis and transportation likewise not.
Not being available on a consistent basis has made it very difficult.
To plan and execute inside our plants and we're seeing those conditions improve and we are seeing as a result.
Productivity improvement so all of that is causing us to raise our sales and margin outlook whats the same as utility demand in the market strength, we see continuing.
Showed you evidence of that order pattern in the backlog page.
The electrical markets.
Continue to trend and as we said, having a favorable compare sequentially the fourth quarter.
We think is a good sign of demand.
And.
We still believe that we have a significant part of the portfolio.
Is she going to show resistance to consumer led recession effects that includes.
<unk>.
Utility side transition and distribution components.
It also includes elements on the electrical side.
Both industrial and some of those verticals inside renewable telecom and data centers, we expect.
To grow through any macro but on the uncertain side on the right.
Still have uncertainty in the second half, we think we see good momentum to the second quarter, which gives us some confidence.
Still are working through channel inventory levels and making sure.
That what our customers have on the shelves is aligned with what they know they can move and making sure. They have the confidence to keep putting orders in with us that sell through.
I think the non resin markets, whether they're impacted by.
Any any macro uncertainty again.
We see signs of that yet.
But we read the papers just just like you all in and know there are concerns out there so thats, causing us to have some conservatism as we think about the second half in other words, our guidance that carbon is about to talk through us is not the first quarter seasonally extrapolated through the year.
It involves good momentum into the second and then.
Some caution around the second half so I'll turn it to go into to quantify our outlook for you.
Thanks, Bill for those additional insights on our results.
Hubble is raising our 2023 outlook to an adjusted earnings per share range of $13 to $13 50, representing approximately 25% adjusted earnings growth at the midpoint.
This outlook now assumes 8% total sales growth and 7% to 9% organic growth for the full year, consisting of approximately equal contributions from price realization and volume growth.
We continue to expect full year free cash flow conversion of 90% to 95%.
Yes.
This updated outlook incorporates a continuation of strong fundamental performance from the first quarter, while also maintaining a balanced view of risk and opportunities.
It also enables us to accelerate our investment levels to support high return capacity.
Sprint and innovation projects over the balance of 2023.
We believe this balanced view should enable us to achieve our outlook in a range of macroeconomic scenarios.
Not only is this updated outlook well ahead of our expectations coming into 2023.
But it also puts us on the path to achieve our 2025 targets, which we laid out for you during Investor Day last summer two years ahead of schedule.
All while accelerating investments back into our business and without substantial benefit from capital allocations.
Proud of our employees for the results that they are driving for our customers our shareholders and we remain committed to delivering differentiated results over the near and long term.
With that let me turn it over to Q&A.
Certainly ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time simply press star one on your telephone one moment for our first question.
And our first question comes from the line of Jeffrey Sprague from vertical research. Your question. Please.
Hey, Thank you good morning, everyone.
Jeff Good morning, Hey, just.
Couple of things first just on utility.
As your remark about mid single digit.
Kind of a continuation off this new higher base or.
Do you foresee a time frame.
Pick a year, maybe next year, where.
Our revenues actually half the sag a bit to kind of normalize things.
I mean, we're anticipating it's off of the new base Jeff.
But it's certainly something where we will continue to be watching that graph, we shared with you compare in orders to shipments.
But there does appear to be adequate backlog too.
In order to continue to grow off that base level.
And then just on electrical margins are are we beginning to see also some of the kind of restructuring and plant realignment coming to bear here in these margins or is it just really more kind of very favorable price cost dynamics.
Yes, I would say I would say Jeff.
Its more the ladder and the foreign I E more of the price cost and productivity that I would call being driven by the normalizing.
Operations inside the plants.
I think that.
Some of the efficiency.
That will get through.
Integrating into a single segment is actually.
Still still in front of us.
And I'll leave the utility question that someone else girvan.
Lighting.
This would seem like an ideal time.
To execute an exit of lighting, while youre, just crushing it and utility.
I just wonder your thoughts on that how important the businesses is there kind of a way to at least make it less important even even less so important and it's been recently.
Yes.
A lot of thoughts in that one and let me just maybe give a couple of comments on that first maybe just set that.
Spec on that business.
Single digits.
Revenue.
Florida of our business so quite.
Small it operates at the lower end of our margins and margin expectation, it's been particularly challenged the last.
Year plus.
When container rates, which this business depends heavily on.
Escalated at 345 ex the <unk>.
Good news is.
While while volumes are down in the markets.
Leon and resi are down the business is still recovering.
Quite well with.
Cost coming coming back in line, but all of that said, we take the responsibility to look at our portfolio.
Quite quite seriously and you saw that we executed the C&I lighting business I would say that.
In our portfolio was much more of a challenge than what our strategy what's going forward.
Our active on this Jeff not just been the example that you may gave of resi lighting, but other product lines SKU.
Action in just a matter of fact part of what drove the electrical margins slightly better this quarter was a conscious decision to exit some low margin.
Switch that partially to higher so it had a net revenue hit by the net margin accretion so.
I don't ever say.
Can you just kind of considerations off the table, we talked about some of the areas that it does help us, particularly with our digital strategy.
But this business is more valuable to somebody else.
We would certainly consider.
Yes.
Our options.
Great. Thanks.
Much appreciated.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
And our next question comes from the line of Steve.
<unk> from Jpmorgan your question please.
Hi, guys good morning.
Good morning Stan.
Can you just maybe give.
So an update on some of the absolute numbers embedded in the bridge for the year price cost and productivity are.
Anything else that on a quarter, maybe just just this quarter just absolutes.
Well, let's so let's start maybe with your first half, which was thinking about the bridge to the year.
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We had started in January thinking that.
There would be about two points of wraparound price.
Obviously improved and as carbon said about half of.
Half of our <unk>.
New sales guide as price. So that's that's a step up from from a couple too.
More in the single digit absolute.
And then I think thats.
That's a pretty big.
Thing as long as.
It's been interesting watching.
Sure.
The cost curves.
Where we basically.
We follow seal the most closely Steve and copper and aluminum has behaved a little bit like it where you saw a peaking.
Back in the fall of 'twenty, one and then a trough ing at the end of a 22%.
Kind of re inflating now in the new year.
And that that's kind of coming through now finally as.
As actual tailwind.
But it's possible.
Ultimately that that could as we're seeing inflation that could kind of inflect a little bit so.
<unk> for us to isolate price little harder to to.
To nail down price cost because of that cost dynamic, but I think that's the biggest absolute piece.
That's in there.
So like I thought before we had like a negative 90 of costs or something like that I don't know if that were if that was the number you guys put out there or not but so are you, saying that thats like basically price cost or the cost side of that is now like.
Just basically modestly positive for the year.
We've got it positive in Q1.
The way we're looking at it.
We're anticipating a reasonably flat and benign.
Contribution from <unk>.
The cost so it makes the price a little more.
Drop through rather than being absorbed.
Now you still have other inflation, obviously, a non material places like wages and things like that.
But the material.
And pricing equation has really proved quite a bit.
Youre under statements our legendary at this stage a little more I think it's a little more than a little more but.
The last question just on the electrical volumes.
Were they down like high singles year over year in the quarter and I guess, that's obviously not all rosy.
What else would have been down to drag that down or maybe it was resi.
No.
Yes your calculations.
<unk> <unk>.
<unk> at double digits and being.
The percentage of the segment that it is represents.
A couple of points plus of that but that still leaves.
Others, and so there was spot inside the commercial business Steve.
We started to reduce our lead times.
And we started to see our customers managing their inventory.
And kind of that sort of relates to I think Jeff's first question right where.
As they as the customer gets there.
Inventory normalized is there a period.
Where you see.
And under ordering a couple of weeks that affects things and I think that's what we saw in some of our commercial businesses.
It makes sense okay. Thanks.
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And our next question comes from the line of Tom.
Tommy Moll from Stephens Your question. Please.
Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.
Good morning, Tommy.
I wanted to start.
On your revised revenue outlook, so up several hundred basis points from when we spoke last quarter. If we look at it by segment.
Last quarter the call on the utility side with for mid singles plus for the year on the electrical side.
Low singles.
On an organic basis.
You well exceeded that on the utility side and came in light on the electrical side at least for the first quarter. So could you just refresh us on what the full year framework is like on either side of your business.
Yes, we've been quite careful to not re parse this framework into the two segments, but between them.
Thinking.
That volumes can be mid singles and I think that'll be obviously skewed towards utility being the the heavy contributor there.
Okay.
Make it a similar answer here, but I'll try anyway, just specifically for your non roads.
Exposure in electrical.
If if volumes there were down in the first quarter.
It sounds like there's incrementally more caution in the second half of this year.
My assumption would be that that your base cases for the volumes there to trend pretty consistently negative through the year, but if you could just comment there and also just.
Anything thats changed versus last quarter.
Yes, we're not I'd say.
I'd say, let me just.
Restate a couple of things one is I don't think we are increasingly cautious on the second half I don't think.
We have that.
Secondly, I think that one of the <unk>.
Interesting elements of seeing the electrical contract a little bit in Q1.
As a function of the fact that they grew quite dramatically in the first quarter of 'twenty, two and their sequential ramp up from the fourth quarter, which as I said typically comes down was up significantly last year. So we had this.
Really hard compare Tommy and so to answer your question.
To me you start to get a little more reliant on sequential analysis and the fact that we were flat from <unk> to <unk>.
Suggests to me some favorability.
But but as the compare won't be as hard as we go forward. So.
I think thats I think that inform sort of our outlook, but I wouldn't say, we've increased our caution in the second half and maybe maybe adding to that a little bit as to give you some insight into the complexities that we're working through and the thought process.
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Our supply chain normalizes again.
Now seeing that in.
Parts of our business specifically in some of the non dress businesses, you're really dealing with a couple of things. One is just by the fact of lead times coming down.
Sure.
Allow customers to not place orders for a little while and then place them again, the second component Thats going on at the same time. It's one of these lead times are coming down the supply chain becomes more predictable.
Customers and distributors don't need to have the inventory levels that they need it when there was a lot of uncertainties at the same time, we're seeing some some of the inventories coming down and managing both dose dynamics.
What's what create some challenges for us, though to fully understand at what level as each distributor doing this some are some arent.
Are they really following the lead times down to are they still.
Nervous and placing ourselves so there's a lot of complexity, which is why we're taking a more cautious approach kind of going into the second half for these dynamics.
I appreciate it and I'll turn it back thank you.
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
Our next question comes from the line of Josh <unk> from Morgan Stanley. Your question. Please.
Hi, good morning, guys.
Morning, Josh.
So I apologize I missed a little bit in the prepared remarks, the call kept dropping but I just wanted to dig in a little bit more on the utility side.
I think even to start the year, yes, there was some.
Signaling that maybe things could be a little bit better you saw like the EI capex forecast look pretty healthy, which is seasonally atypical, but just trying to get maybe my arms around her.
How much of this is.
Customers kind of preparing to do work and maybe building up some inventory how much of this is maybe stimulus related something like IRI.
Because we've been in this environment of grid hardening and grid investment for a while and this is just a big step function change so trying to pin down how much of this is kind of episodic versus run rate.
Yes, maybe I'll start building.
And I would say if you look at the underlying demand in the utility.
It's still very strong and we've seen that.
Throughout the last couple of years ramp up and we believe that that's fundamental.
Longer term demand, what bill talked about mixed single digits.
Still.
Very much intact.
Our improvement has been in Tripoli more driven by our ability to.
Bring up our production capacities and with some of these investments that we're making we're not able to ship more you can see that despite all of those efforts with that chart that bill showed you that backlog.
Has still not come down this actually flattening a little bit.
Something we are expecting.
We ramp up production and as lead times come back and so I would say we're still.
Yes.
Very bullish on the fundamentals here I think the infrastructure bills are actually very early where you expect more of that impact to come into next year in the next couple of years or so.
Yes, I don't think the increase.
As unusual by the actions that were taken just coming up a little faster than we anticipated with some of these investments that we're making.
I think Josh if you were thinking it should be mid single if you take price out this is sort of high single to double digit volume.
So.
I do think can't prove this but I think we have a little share gain involved in this so partially.
I think we're outperforming the market just because our service levels and our capacity is a little bit better because we've supported with the investments that we needed to you asked about projects, which is an interesting question.
Because I do think to transmission side is quite healthy transmission tends to be more project driven.
It has a more forward look to it.
But net net do I think utilities are like stockpiling.
Long term project partial inventories before they install it we don't we don't really see any evidence.
Of that so.
I think it's I guess I would say not sure. If this is.
Just part of your question sand I think the demand is a little bit stronger than the mid single that we think is the long run I think we've got a little bit of share in that that's that's kind of working out to our advantage and as frankly.
Compelling us to continue to invest the capex in the business because the margins are there to generate really good returns for this incremental volume that we can get.
Got it Super helpful. And then just with kind of all the consternation around commercial construction I know, it's hard to follow every cable gland, all the way to the job site.
For what percentage of the business, we should think about as kind of true new non res construction versus something that may be kind of away from the commercial element or more I'll call. It retrofit and maybe not as dependent on something like bank financing.
Yes.
I think the answer to that.
It's about.
It's about two thirds new.
And the balance is Reno.
And I agree, yes, that's sort of an estimate on our part.
Got it okay. Thanks, I'll leave it there best of luck guys.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
And our next question comes from the line of Joe O'dea from Wells Fargo. Your question. Please.
Hi, good morning.
Joe Good morning.
Hi, I wanted to start on margins it looks like the guide is implying that margins for the full year would be lower than where you were in the first quarter doesn't sound like any of the commentary about the second quarter, which suggests that we'd see something like that so one just to clarify that and then two kind of.
What youre thinking about in terms of the two.
Back half of the year and what could contribute to margins maybe coming in a little bit.
Lower than where you were in the first quarter.
Yes, Joe So let's start with your first point, which is that we do see momentum into the second quarter that we think.
As first quarter like in terms of.
In terms of that so yes.
Secondly.
The way this guide works Youre right its not just seasonally taken a first half and using the typical growth in margins off of that so.
We've injected.
Caution just because we don't know.
One of the things we're expecting.
Is to invest more in the second half and that'll be a combination of growth investing in productivity investing in.
But just I think we felt we have decent visibility to the second quarter.
And it feels like it gets more opaque to us.
If I were to maybe rephrase your question and say if trends continue as they are in the first half into the second we would actually do better.
Then this guide so the guide is just has.
Our cautious second half, we think out of Prudence, we we don't want to get our cost structure.
Too far ahead at the same time.
If there is growth in volume there, we're going to we feel very confident we can get our share and more than that so but so I think your observations are very accurate, yes, yes.
Thank you Bill stated during his prepared remarks, a little bit of the first quarter as a lot of things going in the right direction for us both.
Pricing that carried over to the new pricing that we implement at the same time that we sell some of the commodities actually going down.
Some of that is regards to and so we're seeing commodity is actually going up and that would be certainly a slide.
Headwinds for the second quarter. The other one is around pricing and our view on pricing is that we've generally been able to hold onto it longer rather than shorter I think in this environment.
Particularly going to be true, but the magnitude of some of those price increases.
As I was a little bit cautious to their Av.
If <unk> stay down can you hold onto those prices longer term.
Then the last part is around what I talked about.
Of our supply chain to come back in what happened.
Our shorter term basis with inventory levels and how to manage through that so just a little more certainty uncertainty going into into that second half with some of these variable that has us a little more cautious, but it could be better.
I appreciate those details.
And then also just wanted to ask about sort of maybe more opportunities on the cost side. When you talk about commodities getting a little bit better.
Obviously monitoring that but also just smoother operations, presumably your suppliers are seeing some of the same types of benefits and so just wondering how youre approaching that dynamic if you see opportunities to sort of go to your suppliers and sort of look for a little bit better cost profile.
Yes, absolutely.
We're active in that.
I would say not just with the supply side, but we're increasing our focus and this will be.
Throughout this year. This will go into next year on productivity to bring that to a higher level, we've really struggled throughout defend epic with with productivity factories running smoothly and our supply chain.
What's disrupted.
So we're focused on one of those focuses is exactly what you said, it's gone back to our suppliers and looking for cost out but the other thing that I will say in this closing part of the investments and could go well partially go counter to what I'm just saying, we're also spending a lot of time to improve the resiliency of our biz.
<unk> resiliency of supply chain, it's at the end what earns us the slide premium in the market as our delivery on our ability to service our customers and we're doing quite a bit of work to strengthen that supply chain in cases.
Showing it in other cases.
Finding duplicate.
Our sources of supply and that at times as our cost actually increase to us to do so.
On the investment with tooling.
But it's one that will serve us well in the longer term and will help us retain some of that premium in the market.
So a lot of work in other works going on.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
And our next question comes.
Nigel Coe from Wolfe Research your question. Please.
Hi, Good morning, Thanks, guys. Thanks for the question.
Good morning Nigel.
I'm going to.
I will now probably retread some of the some of the maybe re ask.
The seasonality question different way, obviously utility margins were gangbusters.
And then when you go back in time.
The one key module utilities that will be the low point for the year clearly the guidance embed that so just curious.
What could possibly happen to maturity break that trend in the margin is there anything funky or onetime ish in the <unk> margins utilities, just really curious what are you assuming on the margin line for utilities as we go through the year.
Yes, I would say Nigel we really don't have a lot of noise or one timers.
And those margins I would say.
If you took.
Typical for quarter Hubbell year seasonality wise.
There is less.
Activity installation of our material in the first and fourth quarter and more in the second and third as a result of weather.
And those volume changes typically drive.
Incremental drop through such that.
You get the pattern that you just mentioned so.
Part of what's different.
We're operating at capacity.
Right now right.
Theres no theres going to be no seasonality in the sense of as the weather gets better we'll be able to ship more because we're kind of cranking away.
I think the second is.
Again thinking about price cost is a net number.
Sure.
And we sort of had both variables break right here in the first quarter.
<unk>.
With price being very strong as we said channel being very supportive.
And Ms.
Materials are combination of commodities.
And components.
And <unk>.
Actually being for the first time in the <unk>.
Last few years actually being a tailwind and we're not anticipating that tailwind to continue Nigel so as we saw with the commodities pick up starting in the new year, we're thinking that it'll be inflation to us so.
It is.
I know what Youre, saying when you look at a typical year. It has that seasonality and you think things are getting better from here to us.
We may be just in a little more of a sequential kind of analytic framework then VP y.
Because we're kind of building off the first quarter.
No I agree with that thanks for that thanks for the color Bill and then we'll.
<unk> talked about potential and.
Commercial data center is a relatively small market you guys, but it's growing and obviously will continue to grow.
What are you seeing in that market because there's a lot of chatter about weakening trends just curious what your perspective based on data center.
Yes, I think maybe.
Because maybe because we are small we still even if the fangs.
Our firing people.
We don't you could read that as Oh man, they are not going to invest.
In data centers and.
We just think they where my head maybe in the pandemic overstaffed themselves as the war on talent kind of made them all higher each other's people a little bit so we're sort of looking more.
As they are spec ing out these new data centers I would say they continue to revisit designs.
And they really are focusing on speed.
And.
That's what they are saying to us and it's it's possible Nigel that because.
We still are kind of enhancing our footprint here through better vertical sales force.
Better balance of systems with products. This new acquisition is giving us quite a lot of visibility at the front end of projects. So.
I'm not sure if I am saying, we're bullish because navy, we're coming from a small share.
But.
It just feels to us.
Like we see years of runway still in that.
That may not be as much a market commentary as it is our franchise maybe.
Yes.
Thank you one moment for our next question.
And our next question comes from the line of Chris Schneider from UBS. Your question. Please.
Thank you.
Produce a very strong 35% gross margin in the quarter.
I know that there were some seasonal impact and obviously very strong price cost.
So I do just kind of curious what you guys think is like normalized gross margin for the business.
I believe you said that relative to February the expectation is for a bigger price cost tailwind this year.
And that comes despite metal, replacing over the past couple of months. So just kind of curious more color on that thank you.
Yes, Chris So maybe let's start with your price cost, yes. So.
The pricing actions that we're taking at the end of the year that we didn't have insight into their stickiness when we shared.
Our full year outlook at the end of January.
It was it was a much better take up than we expected and much better than historical average on price increase take up so the price side of that is quite a bit bigger and then it really does dominate and overwhelm.
What will happen from the amount of inflation that we've seen in the new year on the materials side.
And as.
As.
I think Joe was asking.
Materials, we've got to do.
A really good job of working our suppliers and making sure.
That any lower material costs, they got in 'twenty two.
That that's getting passed through to us. So we've got to do a really good job to make sure that that cost side is manage Chris but.
I do think.
I do think that the price cost.
Which we had to have price.
When we last talked about this week.
We've added a couple of points to that.
That's <unk>.
Quite quite meaningful.
Thank you I appreciate that and then if I could just ask one more quick one.
For T&D.
Expectation that Theres long term mid single digit sustainable growth. So I was just kind of curious when do you think the business will kind of compressed back to that level is that like a 2024 expectation or where do you think you could still realized outsized growth even through next year as well. Thank you.
Yes, I think.
Josh had asked about stimulus.
And we're not seeing a ton of.
Direct impact of the stimulus, yes, theres lots of planning around it.
I think it is true.
Net.
Our customers are feeling that there is funding there and so maybe in the absence of the stimulus Chris we might see that mid single digits, maybe materialize in 'twenty four.
It's also possible stimulus will give us.
A little lift.
For a couple of years, but.
That's all.
That's a little bit outside of our Crystal ball right now.
Thank you.
One moment for our final question for today and our final question for today comes from the line of Christopher Glynn from Oppenheimer.
Thanks for squeezing me in and congrats on a rocky start to the year.
So just had a follow up on the accelerated price realization in the quarter, particularly in utility solutions.
Okay.
There is a long term dynamic where the utilities get rate increases to fund regulatory required capex imperatives. So I am curious you are talking about expanding capacity a lot. There is that dynamic starting to shift to you where utilities there.
Goading you in a sense to continue that capacity investment.
I would say incur.
Encouraged I would use rather than goaded.
But we have.
Strong to violence or <unk>.
Support from them that.
They're eager that we do that.
I would say they are backing that up I think by giving us a little more share in the short term such that that's encouraging us further but.
For sure.
Hey.
There.
There is even a case, where <unk> can tell you where.
I wanted to get into some lines of business that we don't even have just because they're looking for the lead time management to get better and they are thinking that we could do a better job and so yes. There is.
There's a lot of what youre seeing going on yes, absolutely and the nice thing about our position in this is that we have direct engagement with a lot of the end users right. So we had firsthand insight and Bill mentioned, an example of a CEO that I should have been a couple of weeks ago and our conversation, but we have many of these conversations so our inside.
And to where the demand is up and how sustainable or not that is quite good in that.
Why were.
Making it kind of levels of investments that we are right now.
Particularly in the utility business.
Talk soon.
Hey, Chris.
Thank you. This does conclude the question and answer session of today's program I'd now like to hand, the program back to Dan <unk> for any further remarks.
Yes, maybe.
Technical difficulty so he is.
He would like to close the call and tell you all that he is going to be around all day and all week to answer questions. As you may have them. So I appreciate your interest thanks for attending.
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