Q1 2023 AerCap Holdings N.V. Earnings Call

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Speaker 2: Good day and welcome to the AirCAP holdings NV first quarter 2023 financial results. Today's conference is being recorded and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website.

Speaker 2: At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Joseph McKinley. Head of Invest Relations, please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 3: Thank you operator and hello everyone. Welcome to our first quarter, 2023 conference call. With me today is our chief executive officer, Engus Kelly, and our chief financial officer, Pete Uhas. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that some statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, maybe forward with these statements.

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Speaker 3: Further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in AirCup's earnings release dated May 2, 2023. A copy of our earnings release and conference call presentation are available on our website at aircup.com.

Speaker 3: This call is open to the public and is being webcast simultaneously at aircup.com and will be archived for each day.

Speaker 3: We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and will allow time at the end for Q&A.

Speaker 3: As a reminder, I would ask that analysts limits themselves to one question and one follow-up. I will now turn the call over to Angus Kelly.

Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2023 earnings call.

Speaker 4: generating adjusted net income of $566 million and adjusted earnings per share of $2.34. This reflects the continued normalization of air travel demand after the events of the past few years and a return to business as usual for air cap and our airline customers. I am also pleased to affirm our 2023 adjusted EPS guidance at the higher end.

Speaker 4: generating adjusted net income of $566 million and adjusted earnings per share of $2.34. This reflects the continued normalization of air travel demand after the events of the past few years and a return to business as usual for air cap and our airline customers. I'm also pleased to affirm our 2023 adjusted EPS guidance at the higher end of our previously announced range.

Speaker 4: Cash generation was extremely robust in the quarter with operating cash flows of $1.4 billion on strong collections and higher utilization of our assets.

Speaker 4: As a result of these excellent earnings and cash flows, I am pleased to announce a new $500 million share we purchased program.

Speaker 4: It is clear that the tone of the airline industry continues to be positive.

Speaker 4: And unlike prior years, this is now reflected in all major regions of the world.

Speaker 4: Demand is robust, and many airlines are reporting record performance metrics across bookings, sales, operating cash flow and revenues.

Speaker 4: From discussions with airlines recently.

Speaker 4: Their main concern is around securing enough capacity.

Speaker 4: to address the growing demand they see coming their way over the next several years. In the US, we are seeing announcements from the TSA on record numbers of passengers.

Speaker 4: as airlines reopen routes and increase frequencies to Asia in particular.

Speaker 4: European carriers continue to surpass expectations, despite the geopolitical uncertainty and higher rate environment.

Speaker 4: And in Asia, where the return to pre-pandemic levels of capacity was not possible last year.

Speaker 4: Airlines are quickly accelerating towards and through these levels.

Speaker 4: with the reopening of China.

Speaker 4: So from the conversations I have had with our customer since our last earnings call, confidence around future aircraft demand for the coming years continues to rise.

Speaker 4: I've spoken many times about the resilience of AirCap's business model, which has been enhanced by the greater scale, diversification and track record we have built up as a company. Of course, there will always be events around the world that create headlines.

Speaker 4: many of which have no impact on our business.

Speaker 4: From where we stand today, I am extremely pleased with the consistent levels about standing execution and customer focus that sets AirCAP apart. This focus on execution was reflected in the significant level of activity in the first quarter.

Speaker 4: During which air cap closed, 252 transactions.

Speaker 4: comprising 155 lease agreements.

Speaker 4: 56 purchases and 41 sales.

Speaker 4: This is an unparalleled level of activity in our industry.

Speaker 4: On the sales side, we continue to see strong and broad base demand for our assets.

Speaker 4: closing 639 million of transactions in the first quarter at an 18% gain on sale margin.

Speaker 4: This is a facet of our business that has provided consistent returns for our shareholders over many years.

Speaker 4: So I'd like to spend some time talking you through what we're seeing here today.

Speaker 4: At the outset, it's important to understand.

Speaker 4: that there are generally only three reasons why we sell aircraft.

Speaker 4: The first is to reduce exposure to certain aircraft types.

Speaker 4: The second is diversify airline credits.

Speaker 4: And the third is where the reinvested returns from a sail are higher than holding onto the assets.

Speaker 4: We never sell an asset just to make a gain.

Speaker 4: As doing so would erode the long-term quality of the platform. But simply, the gains look after themselves.

Speaker 4: If you have the patience and knowledge to buy at the right time and the discipline to sell at the right price

Speaker 4: In the last four years alone, we have sold almost 400 owned aircraft, engines and helicopters, underlining the attractiveness of our fleet through various global shocks and events. Fundamentally, selling an aircraft is the best confirmation a management team can have for how they run the business, as it validates your depreciation policies, acquisition values and fleet strategy.

Speaker 4: Likewise, PIRD party purchases are the best validation shareholder can have around the true value of a company's assets.

Speaker 4: As I mentioned, we have a wide range of potential buyers for aircraft.

Speaker 4: And as the chart on the right-hand side shows, their participation varies over time.

Speaker 4: In particular, airlines have stepped up significantly as buyers in the last 18 months.

Speaker 4: We are seeing more frequent requests from airlines to purchase older aircraft and engines.

Speaker 4: to ensure they have the capacity to meet the long-term demand they see for air travel.

Speaker 4: This supports our view that airlines simply do not believe the production rates announced by the OEMs and are planning accordingly.

Speaker 4: Furthermore, I expect that when the ABS market for aircraft reopens, we will see further demand from financial investors and other aircraft buyers.

Speaker 4: So how does this inform our strategy?

Speaker 4: Of course, every company talks about buying their aircraft well, and many also feel that their book values are undervalued. But no one has anywhere near the level of external sales validation that AirCAP has demonstrated over the course of the last 17 years.

Speaker 4: having sold over 1,000 assets. Given this dynamic, it is incumbent on us to take advantage of these opportunities.

Speaker 4: For example, if we can continue to sell aircraft at strong gains on sale and subsequently use the freed up capital from these sales to repurchase our shares at a discount to fair value.

Speaker 4: We will continue to create significant value for our shareholders.

Speaker 4: to create significant value for our shareholders. For example,

Speaker 4: Last year, we sold $2.2 billion of assets.

Speaker 4: within average age of 17 years. Selling these assets freed up a total of $755 million, comprised of $526 million of book equity.

Speaker 4: at 229 million of gain and sale.

Speaker 4: for a 1.4 times book equity multiple.

Speaker 4: We then redeployed $500 million of that excess capital into share repurchases during March.

Speaker 4: at $56.89 per share.

Speaker 4: Generating $88 million of additional value.

Speaker 4: This arises from purchasing 518 million of book equity for 500 million i.e. a 15% discount.

Speaker 4: So from the starting 526 million of book value of equity associated with those assets sold in 2022, we have managed to create $317 million of additional value for our shareholders.

Speaker 4: 60% uplift.

Speaker 4: We expect to generate further shareholder value from today's authorization, which will increase these returns.

So in summary, this was another great quarter for AirCAP, with broad-based demand for our products, generating strong earnings and cash flows throughout the business. We continue to execute numerous transactions every day, as our customers position themselves for continued growth and demand.

Our conference in the future remains strong and we look forward to demonstrating this to you in the quarters and years to come. With that, I will hand the call over to Pete for a detailed review of our financial performance and favorable outlook for 2023.

Thanks, Gus. Good morning, everyone. We had a strong performance for the first quarter. Our adjusted net income was $566 million or $2.34 per share. The impact of purchase to counting adjustments was $167 million in the quarter.

This included lease premium amortization of $43 million, which reduced our basic lease rents, maintenance rights amortization of $45 million that reduced our maintenance revenue, and maintenance rights amortization of $79 million that increased our leasing expenses. In the first quarter, we recognized $14 million of recoveries related to the Ukraine psychologically silly complaints that consp?????

primarily consisting of letter of credit proceeds that we received during the quarter.

Taking all of that into account, our Gapnet income for the first quarter was $432 million or $1.79 per share. I'll talk briefly about the main drivers that affected our results for the first quarter.

Basically, rents for $1,537,000,000, and increase of $43,000,000 from last quarter.

This reflected strong cash collections, and we also continued benefit from power by the hour rents from our less ease that are on PPH arrangements in their leases. As I mentioned, our basically rents reflected $43 million at lease premium amortization.

Lease premium assets are amortized over the remaining term of the lease as a reduction to basically rents.

Maintenance revenues for the first quarter were $187 million.

That reflects $45 million in maintenance rights assets that were amortized to maintenance revenue during the quarter.

In other words, maintenance revenue would have been $45 million higher or $232 million without this summarization.

Net gain on sale of assets was $100 million for the quarter. We sold 35 of our owned assets for total sales proceeds of $639 million.

That resulted in a very strong gain and so margin of 18%. As of March 31st, we also had around $600 million of assets held for sale.

As I mentioned earlier, net recoveries related to the Ukraine conflict were $14 million, which primarily represents proceeds from letters of credit that we received during the quarter. We've now received payment of all the $260 million of letters of credit that were in place at the time of the Ukraine invasion.

Asset impairment was $34 million in the first quarter, primarily due to lease terminations and sales, and was largely offset by maintenance revenue. Interest expense was $436 million, which included $14 million of negative market market undervolved.

that reflects the unwinding, as expected, of some of the positive movement and derivatives that we had last year.

Our leasing expenses were $226 million for the quarter, including $79 million of maintenance rights and organization expenses.

Equity in net earnings of investments under the equity method was $33 million for the quarter, again reflecting strong earnings from Shannon Engine Support, our engine leasing joint venture with Safran.

We continue to maintain a strong liquidity position. As of March 31, our total sources of liquidity were approximately $18 billion, which resulted in a next 12 months' sources' due to coverage ratio of 1.3 times.

That's above our target of 1.2 times coverage and represents excess cash coverage of around $4 billion.

Our total operating cash flow was approximately $1.4 billion for the quarter that was driven by continued strong cash collections with a collection rate of over 100 percent, as well as above average collections from finance leases during the quarter.

We generate a significant amount of excess capital each quarter. As a result, our leverage ratio remains similar to last quarter at 2.56 times, and that includes the impact of the $500 million share repurchase from GE in March.

Our secured debt to toll assets ratio was approximately 14% at the end of March, the same as last quarter, and our average cost of debt was 3.3% also the same as last quarter.

After the upgrades from Moody's and Fitch during the first quarter, we now have triple B flat ratings from all three major rating agencies. We executed $6.7 billion of financing, which included the extension and upsize of just under $5 billion of revolving credit facilities, the extension of around $700 million of bank terminology and makes it resolutions.

and around 1.1 billion of financing from some of our banking partners.

This activity, along with our stride performance in the quarter, results in our funding requirement for the remainder of the year dropping from $6 to $7 billion to around $4 or $5 billion. Most of which will likely come from the unsecured bond markets.

To overall, this was another strong quarter for ARCAP. Once again, we had a high level of transaction activity. Our financial performance was strong. We were upgraded by Moody's and Fitch, and we repurchased $500 million worth of stock at a 15% discount to book in connection with the first stage of GE's selldown.

As Gus mentioned, we've also announced a new $500 million shared purchase program through the end of September . As we look out for the remainder of the year, we're affirming our guidance for full year 2023, and we expect to be at the higher end of our guidance range. With that operator, we can now open up the call for Q&A. Thank you. If you would like to signal with questions, please press star one.

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And our first question will come from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks so much for the time.

So maybe just talking about the sales a little bit more, you know, you noted the strong sales margin in the quarter was primarily driven by asset composition. Is that a comment on the aircraft types of age or is that a comment on proportion of, you know, legacy GCAS versus legacy aircraft assets? And based on what you have in the pipeline so far towards the $2,000,000,000 target.

I believe you said 600 million currently helps the sale. Can you help us think through how that asset mix compares what was sold in the first quarter? Thanks. The asset mix is always a combination of if you want legacy air cap or legacy g-cats.

both portfolios were carefully constructed of buying when no one else was buying and selling when many are buying.

And that's what you see today and you've seen over the last 15 years from us.

So the sales market is strong and I think it's worth just commenting though on a few points about that. Sales is one aspect of the business but the key is the operating cash flows.

And we have a strong market now and we are converting that strong market now into strong earning, strong cash flows and capital deployment.

Just to quote a couple of numbers Catherine for you, in the last 12 months, AirCap has generated $2.2 billion of after-tax adjusted net income.

Just to quote a couple of numbers, Catherine, for you. In the last 12 months, Eric Hap has generated 2.2 billion of after-tax adjusted net income and 1.7 billion of book net income.

The leverage now, and sales are part of this pattern, leverage is now down to 2.56 times. And since the G-CAS acquisition, if you look at the December 31 balance sheet.

We have 48.4 billion of net deaths. Today we have 45.2.

So we've delivered by 3.3 billion. We've given 500 million back to the shareholders. That's 3.8 billion and authorize another 500.

That's 4.3 billion of capital in 15 months that we returned our Commissar to return to our capital providers.

That is a function, of course, of the strong market we see for asset sales, for demand, for all our product types. It could be aircraft, it could be engines, helicopters, freighters.

And we are now converting all that opportunity, all those assets, into hard cash profits being redeployed for the shareholders. And as we look out for the next several years into the future with the supply demand imbalance in the industry.

We will continue to see, we believe, strong earnings and cash flows coming out of AirCap.

Thanks so much for that, Gus. And yeah, definitely a strong track record of M&A by this team, including in a different supply demand backdrop back in 2014. So, fully appreciate that. Maybe just one on the engine leasing business. We continue to hear from airlines that New Tech engines are coming off, things faster expected that drive increased demand for spring engines.

Can you just give us some sense of the inbound interest on your spear engines and what least rates look like versus that? I don't know, maybe 18 months ago. Thanks so much for the time.

Like other raster classes, lease rates are up for the engines and in some cases significantly up 30% plus increases on certain engine types.

And it's not just limited to new aircraft engine types. What we're seeing is in the MRO shops, there is a lack of supply of certain critical parts for different engine types, which is leading to long lead times, which is pushing up demand for spare engines across the board.

And from what we see, over the next several years, we don't see that changing. As I said before, these engines are masterpieces of engineering capability to reduce the fuel burn. The challenge is that in certain operating environments, we can reduce the fuel burn.

They just don't last as long on wing as was originally envisaged and the predecessor engines had lasted on wing. Again, those issues, that technology will mature and over time we will see improvements in the performance of these engines.

but to improve the performance of an engine, to change parts out, blades, etc. By the time you get through that process, you're into multi-year, so this isn't something that will go away in the next 12 or 24 months. We're going to see increased demand for spare engines for quite some time to come.

And AirCap, as you know, is the biggest in the world by a long way in this business.

That was super helpful. Thank you so much, Gus. And our next question will come from Mosha Ormbook with Credit Suisse.

Gus, it sounded from your discussion and the description of the value that's created by aircraft sales, and you could probably add to that that in this current environment you have a couple of other benefits including reducing the need for marginal funding as well as reducing the GE overhang.

Well I think Moshe, you know, and that's why we put up the chart there. If you look at the slide where, on slide six I believe it is, we show the sales activity by quarter. You can see there of course when there was huge dips of asset sales, AirCap was the biggest buyer of airplanes in the world when no one else was buying.

And now we're the biggest seller, obviously a bearcaught in the world, but that's natural given our size. What I would point to you is the trend there. You see how much we sold in Q4, 2022, again, what we've done in this quarter, we've a good bit in the pipeline. We expect to do, you know, two and a half billion if the market is there for more.

I'm sure we'll execute on us and you see again the the capacity of this platform selling assets isn't easy and You have to have a platform that's capable of doing it and you can just see in the quarter alone We sold over 40 assets in just one quarter So that's the type of volume that this platform can deal with so certainly if the market's there You know, we'll do it. We think there's a tremendous investment opportunity for us

and buying back our own stock. Yeah, I think when you look at that example I gave, and this is real life. Yeah.

This isn't a fictional example of what might happen in the future. We're converting the opportunities today for our shareholders. When you looked at that example, we started out...

at 526 million of book equity on that slide, Joe, if you want to pull it up. By the end of the year, we'd added 317 million onto that. So we turned 100 cents of book equity into 160 cents of it.

And that was through the capability of the platform, re-siking the capital. You can't just look at a balance sheet no matter how pristine it is and be a lazy balance sheet. It's got a sweat, it's got a work, and that means the platform underneath it has to work to make that happen. And you see all that happening in the transactions that this business can do in a quarter. And...

that between 2016 and 2019, AirCap bought back 43% of the business.

So it's not something we haven't done before, and we're working hard for you here.

Got it. Thanks. And Pete, just as a quick follow up, I mean, I think that, you know, the spread, your net spread after depreciation was actually up 10 basis points. I think you had said that that should be stable throughout 2023. You know, any any other thoughts? I think that's been an area. I think that should give people some comfort, but.

as I had mentioned before, but we had some a little bit more positive results the first quarter than we had expected. I think it's worth noting also just, when we think about net spread, obviously that is a function also of the aircraft that we sell. So, some of the aircraft that we're selling are older aircraft, a lot of them average age 17 years old, some of them have higher yields.

but also have higher risk associated with them. So we're getting out of those aircraft. That's going to have a dampening effect on our net spread. And so the guidance I gave basically factor that into account in terms of the aircraft that we're going to sell, the 2.0 billion that we are going to sell this year, that's predominantly going to be those older aircraft. So that has an effect. But ultimately, we're not managing to a net spread. We're managing our EP.

we sell those assets average age of 17 years. They'll be higher yielding so if you sell them you're going to bring down your net spread but what do we do with that? We went out and we bought back the stock driving EPS higher creating shareholder value. That's the key number to look at and in the meantime

You have a better quality portfolio at the far side because we sold off some of those assets. So when anyone looks at net spread, you've got to look at the use of proceeds from sales.

Thanks very much. Sure. And our next question will come from Jamie Baker with JP Morgan.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Could you speak about aircraft placements in 23 and 24? How much you're booked and I guess related to this, I mean, are you managing placements differently now with the wind behind your back? I mean, are you incentivized to...

hold aircraft back and shorten the lead time for example. Ordinarily investors like to see a really high two-year placement figure, I'd argue at least in the current environment, you know, lower might be better.

Well, I think Jamie, one of the great advantages we have here and seeing what was happening particularly in the engine business for the last couple of years, we knew what was coming down the track and we've been saying it for some time, we could see two aspects to it. One, we could see it with the engine business ourselves, exactly what was happening every day. big

We can see every week what's happening to the global engine portfolio, when it's coming off wing, what's happening with MRO turn times. If turn times lengthen, there's less airplanes available. If you know turn times are going to be longer for years into the future, you know there's going to be scarcity.

Dan is the biggest trader of airplanes in the world. We could see that the airlines wanted to buy more and more used aircraft. So we could see that trend coming about a year and a half ago, Jamie, and we were managing it that way. So we've just done a chunky number of placements, actually, in the Midland for 2024, actually, right now. Okay, that's helpful. And somewhat related to that, yesterday, Air Leagues disclosed that,

It is really because you've always got to think about, I've said this before a few times, Jamie, a young fleet or an old fleet, the key is the barbell approach. If you have an asset and we've had this portfolio strategy for 15 odd years, and you've seen it in prior presentations at Sunset Strategy, you know, a young fleet of 737s, 777s is not a good thing to have because you won't get 20 more years out of them. But having 16, 17 year old variants is absolutely fine because the airlines need them now and they're buying them. So what we're seeing is we're extending it at 60%, but vitally what's happening.

is the airlines are our biggest buyer of older airplanes freeing up the capital to reinvest in the business.

That's helpful and I get the strategy, but are you seeing a difference on lease extensions by aircraft age or basically the vast majority of your customers requesting lease extensions for all of the obvious good reasons?

I'm sorry, Jim, it should have been clear. The older ones are being bossed. Okay, make sense. That's the key. Because the airlines don't believe what the OEM's are telling them. Yeah. And so we can see that. And so that's where the portfolio strategy over many years is comparing fruit.

Are the younger aircraft types, yeah you'll extend them, but certainly the older stuff, it's a combination of extensions, there's some new leases, but the real interesting trend and we show that there on the broad buyer base slide is the amount of purchases airlines are making.

Thank you for the color, Gus. I appreciate it. Our next question comes from Lane Becker with TD talent. Thanks very much operator. Hi everybody. I just have maybe one question. A couple of weeks ago I saw a note that

How should we think about that?

A course of the lane, Chuck being one of the insurers, they have their own view of our claims. We have our own view of course, which we believe is right. The one development that's occurred since we last spoke is that the trial date has been set for October of 2024.

So that will be when we'll see the validity of all the claims.

Okay, so that's like a long time away, right? That's like a year and a half away? Correct. Okay. Okay. Thank you. And then just one follow-on question, I think, just in terms of...

of the GE block. Do they tell you in advance when they're thinking about selling so that you can be ready with enough sherry purchase authorization? Well they have to notify us, Celine, beforehand when they plan to go to market to do a market that's offering. So yes, they do tell us in advance. And look obviously we've got...

Thank you. Thanks for the time. Thank you.

Sure.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Hilary Cacanado with Deutsche Bank. Thanks for taking my question. So you mentioned three reasons why you would sell an aircraft. One, to reduce aircraft exposure to an aircraft pipe, to diversify airline credit, and where the reinvestment returns from a sale would be higher than holding onto the assets. I was wondering if which of the three reasons have been more relevant in recent quarters you know for you.

airlines.

and that's a function of the fact that the airlines are short capacity.

They believe they're going to be short capacity for several years to come. Or else they just extend the airplane for six months or 12 months. They wouldn't buy us. So the main driver, that behavior for us, of course, is that we believe getting the money in, selling an older airplane, and then converting that into stock buybacks. So you think it's a tremendous opportunity.

And if you could kind of just talk about, you know, whether that's a region where you plan to grow more in the future, or is it something that you might want to reduce your exposure in the future in order to kind of minimize any geopolitical risk?

They have more of a focus and I've always had so over the last six years on the domestic markets. And so we see plenty of very good opportunities outside of China as well candidly. Thank you, that's very helpful. Thank you very much. Thank you. And as a reminder, if you would like to signal with questions, please press star one again as star one if you would like to ask questions. The next question will come from Ron Epstein with Bank of America. Hey, good morning, good afternoon. Maybe just a couple of quick questions. But what are you seeing in your insurance rate?

Sorry, Ron, could you repeat that? Yep, sorry, can you hear me better now? Sorry, yeah. What are you seeing in your insurance rates that you guys have to cover? Have they gone out? Well, our insurance, yeah, I mean, look, our insurance rates went up, Ron, as did they did for the industry generally. So not surprising. We've reflected that in our guidance, and we wouldn't expect further increases, you know, in years ahead, but obviously there was a big change over the past year.

But I mean I guess the point I'm getting at is if your rates went up, I mean if you think about it this way, right, like if you get a ding in your car and you go to the insurance company they raise your rates. So aren't the insurance companies kind of admitting that they owe you guys something? I don't know, just that's what it sounds like. Why would they? Yeah that would be a logical conclusion I think but as we heard...

participants come in the market because we think it is attractive for them.

Yeah, I mean it only seems fair if they don't want to pay you why they're gonna charge you more. Anyway, and then on the OE deliveries, I mean how far behind are they? I mean I guess in the current environment it's good for you guys that they can't get stuff out the door because it's...

I'm helping your whole book in the sales thing. But what's your sense on when the OEs will actually sort of be back to some predictable track of deliveries? And I know it's a little different for Boeing and Airbus and even across product lines, but what's your sense there?

in the sales thing. But what's your sense on when the OEs will actually sort of be back to some predictable track of deliveries? And I know it's a little different from Boeing and Airbus and even across product lines. But what's your sense there?

It's very hard to say, Ron. It's not just about Boeing and Airbus and GE and Safran. There's a lot of participants in the chain that have differing motivations.

You could be a supplier that makes more money out of MRO than OE activity. If that is the case, you're going to prioritize MRO parts over OE parts.

That can have an impact. What we also see is that there are many smaller participants in the chain. Those participants have lost highly skilled staff over the last several years. That can't be easily replaced.

and they've become financially levered and more concerned about the veracity

of the major OEM telling them, we're gonna raise output by 30 units a month in the next 36 months and you better ramp up for us. And these companies are thinking, wow, if I do that. Yeah. could only expect some of the

can I make it? What if it goes wrong? I'm out of business. I don't have the capacity to do that. I can't take that risk. So there's lots of discussions ongoing and of course you hear about the big ones between the major engine and air framer OEMs but there's a lot of other discussions.

that go on further down the chain where you have concerns around the ability to ramp up production if you're a small guy and do you want to do it? Can you take the risk?

because Airbus and Boeing aren't going to forward buyout if you are guaranteed those levels. So there's a lot more nuance behind it than what you just see when you look at the big guys. But certainly of course, look, the engine leasing business, the sales of aircraft to the airlines, they're good indicators of what the real participants in the industry think.

Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. And then maybe just one last one, the helicopter leasing business.

I mean, do you, you've done it now for a little while. Do you like it? Do you think it's core? Do you think it's not? I mean it.

The helicopter business has done pretty well for us. We've seen a rebound of course in oil and gas and mind you we've significantly reduced our exposure to oil and gas versus where it was four or five years ago. And there is life now returning to the helicopter trading market and you'll see that we are selling helicopters every quarter and I expect that to continue.

but the business has done very well for us since we bought it. Thank you.

has done very well for us since we bought it. Thank you. And our next question will come...

from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Morning, thanks so much for the extra time. I appreciate it. Actually, just a follow-up to Ron's question. I think contractual delivery schedules for the lesssours and airlines I cover when we look at 10Ks, et cetera. They weren't really fully reset to reflect lower production rates over the last couple of years.

So while there are likely continued delays versus contractual schedule sets pre-pandemic, could you just talk about how deliveries are tracking versus anticipated shorter term production rates? I know you just spoke about some of these smaller suppliers perhaps facing incremental issues versus a couple months ago. I'm just really trying to get a sense of if we're moving in the right direction on deliveries.

fully appreciating there's still a lot less aircraft than there's demand for. Catherine, you know, the issues I spoke about have been ongoing for the last two years, not the last few months, but I would say that overall

appreciating there's still a lot less aircraft than there's demand for. At Castle, you know, the issues I spoke about have been ongoing for the last two years, not the last few months. But I would say that overall delivery profiles are still dynamic.

and I think you'll see that each year with Boeing and Airbus and the engine guys

as they look at what they can and can produce in different via white bodies or narrow bodies, et cetera. So I think it's very hard to opine on that. I think it's safe to say that we've seen consistent delays over the course of the last several years.

And I'd say it's a reasonably safe bet that that will continue. Hey Catherine, just to, you know, when you look at R20F, so when we have our contractual obligations, what we've included there is our expectation about what those will be. So it's not necessarily the contractual amount. It's our best estimate of what it will actually be. And so, you know, if we look at the full year this year, we still think we're going to be around 6.76, 6.8 billion of CAPEX. So it's not, not FOUR.

and the rest of the year. I mean, if we look at the environment generally, we're seeing utilization higher. We're seeing cash receipts higher. You know, that was over 100% again in the first quarter. So that's been quite positive. And just the environment looks good generally. And really it's being driven on the revenue line, more than anything else. I mean, I'd say just looking at the guy and so we gave last.

Just first question on the barbell strategy and the barbell mix. Does one of you can disclose how much your portfolio is kind of on each end of that barbell and perhaps how much of that portfolio you'd be interested in?

selling or repositioning as you improve the quality of the overall book. Thank you. Sure. Yeah. And if you look at the appendix there that we have on the slide deck, I will show the portfolio. But, you know, as I mentioned before, the two biggest owners of airplanes in the world.

and the two biggest players in the industry and traders of aircraft were Air Cap and G-Cas. And we had the same portfolio strategy for the last 15, 16 years. That's what made it so attractive to us.

777s or 737s or A330s it'll show a nice average age but you're going to lose your shirt on them. You need to understand all that.

And if you look at us today and GCAS were the same, they said if we're going to buy assets, buy new tech. Don't buy end of run assets.

You're going to have old tech, make sure they're old. And so if you look at us today, we're just under 70% in new technology. And the balance then is 30% of the current tech. But I don't have the average age off the top of my head here, but you'll see, I'm pretty sure that's well into the high teens, which is exactly where you want it to be because we expect to see very strong demand for 737s.

three-tirties, triple-sevens, et cetera, for the next seven or eight odd years, which is exactly where you want to be. You don't want to be holding these things today if they're only seven years old. That's the fool's gold, and that's where your investors need to look through and understand the portfolio strategy of companies. Okay, perfect. Thank you, Gus.

just wonder if you could update us on the the funding markets when you're thinking about the 4 to 5 billion remaining maturities this year and the unsecured markets have a set look and then what do you think we need to see in terms of ABS markets from that the fully ramp back thank you

Sure. Thanks, Vincent. So we did a fair amount of funding in the first quarter, all of that away from the bond market. And as I said, just given the funding that we've done and the performance to date and our outlook, we're looking at around $4 to $5 billion for the remainder of the year. Most of that is going to be bonds, and we would expect to do that kind of periodically throughout the year.

But we're still going to go to other markets as well. But I expect most of that will be in the bond market. And look, you've seen issuance recently from some of the other aircraft lessors. So the market's obviously open and we would expect to do that funding. And I guess I'm sorry, on the ABS market, the ABS market is not really a, I mean, for many years that hasn't been a part of our direct funding.

at that point.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Thank you. And that does conclude the question and answer session. I'll now turn the conference back over to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Thanks operator and thank you all for joining us today and we look forward to talking to you in three months time.

Thanks operator and thank you all for joining us today, and we look forward to talking to you in three months time Well, thank you and that does conclude today's session.

conference. We do thank you for your participation. Have an excellent day.