Q1 2023 The Timken Company Earnings Call
Speaker 1: receive record revenue enterings per share in the quarter while expanding our operating margins.
Speaker 1: Organic revenue was up 11% in the quarter. This is a slight acceleration from the fourth quarter rate of 10% and it is our eighth consecutive quarter of double-digit organic growth.
Speaker 1: While demand strength remained broad-based, drivers of the organic growth included price realization, strong growth in renewable energy, and strong sales in China and India.
Speaker 1: In total, revenue was up over 12%, with the benefit of acquisitions more than offsetting the impact from divestitures and currency.
Speaker 1: EBITDA margins of 21% were up 100 basis points from last year. Margin improvement was driven by the benefits of price, mix, volume, improved manufacturing efficiencies, and lower logistics costs.
Speaker 1: which more than offset the headwinds of inflation, currency, and SG&A.
Speaker 1: While some costs have declined from peak levels and we are operating more efficiently as supply chain challenges have eased, we remain in an inflationary environment with costs up over last year.
Speaker 1: and advance the company in either a low or a high inflationary environment and through a wide variety of macroeconomic conditions.
Speaker 1: was up 22% from last year and was a new record for Timken.
Speaker 1: In addition to the benefit of growth and margin expansion, both share buyback and acquisitions contributed to the record level of earnings.
Speaker 1: Free cash flow in the quarter was $72 million better than last year, primarily as a result of Greater EBITDA and improved working capital management.
Speaker 1: The working capital improvements are a result of both supply chain stabilizing as well as our improved execution.
Speaker 1: We continue to invest in expanding and improving our manufacturing footprint and capabilities.
Speaker 1: The benefits of these actions were evident in the first quarter and will ramp up through the year.
Speaker 1: We completed the previously announced closure of our Indianapolis Industrial Motion Manufacturing Facility in the quarter.
Speaker 1: And we announced the end of year closure of an engineered bearings facility in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Our Mexico bearings facility continues to ramp up each quarter and will contribute positively to results this year.
Speaker 1: And our renewable energy investments are continuing to come online to support our continued growth in this sector.
Speaker 1: Additionally in the quarter, we paid our 403rd consecutive quarterly dividend, closed down the acquisition of American Roller Bearing, and purchased just under 1% of the outstanding shares.
Speaker 1: We also continue to be recognized for our outstanding corporate citizenship and innovative products and culture.
Speaker 1: In the quarter, Timken was named one of America's most innovative companies by Fortune, one of America's best large employers by Forbes, and a member of the American
Speaker 1: one of the world's most ethical companies by atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Our Timken team is committed to advancing our corporate social responsibility programming as we give back to our communities and drive sustainability in our products and global operations and across the industries we serve.
Speaker 1: And finally, we completed the previously communicated resegmentation of the company to engineer bearings in industrial motion.
Speaker 1: reflecting Temkin's advancement as a global, diversified industrial leader.
Speaker 1: Slide 7 in the IR deck breaks down the 2022 market mix for each of the two segments and highlights how far the company has evolved its market mix over the last decade, with automation, renewable energy, and industrial distribution being the largest end markets for the two segments.
Speaker 1: It was an excellent quarter and 2023 is on track to be another excellent year. Turning to the outlook. For more information, pleaseiome on leadership. ORcemic Bottles.
Speaker 1: We are increasing our outlook for the full year for revenue, margin, earnings per share, and free cash flow.
Speaker 1: For revenue, we've increased the revenue outlook from 6% to 9.5% at the midpoint of the guide.
Speaker 1: market demand, outgrowth, price, and our most recent acquisition of Medela are all contributing.
Speaker 1: While growth across markets is moderating, backlog and demand are strong, as evidenced by the first quarter's 11% organic growth.
Speaker 1: As you see on slide 8, we are forecasting all end markets to be flat to positive for the full year. There are no significant areas of weakness across our portfolio and demand in total is strong.
Speaker 1: We have factored into our outlook continued channel inventory reduction from supply chain normalization through the course of the year.
Speaker 1: The midpoint of the guide implies flattish organic revenue sequentials for the second quarter and then slightly greater than normal seasonal declines for the third and fourth quarters. If the revenue expectation proves to be too low, we'll be in excellent position to capitalize on the situation. We've also modestly increased our expectation for price for the full year, primarily due to the persistence of inflation. The majority of the price is in the first quarter actuals and we do not expect much further sequential price improvement as we move through 2023.
Speaker 1: Our outgrowth and market diversification efforts continue to show results. We expect a strong year in renewables, marine, and automation, in addition to traditional Timken markets such as heavy industries and rail.
Speaker 1: We closed down the Nadella acquisition in early April , and that is also now included in the full year outlook.
Speaker 1: Nadella furthers our market diversification with positions on automation, medical, and material handling.
Speaker 1: The midpoint of the revenue outlook is to be up just under 10% and would mark the fifth year out of the last six for a new revenue high for Temkin.
Speaker 1: We are now forecasting a margin improvement for the full year with margins of around 19.5%.
Speaker 1: Price mix, volume, and improved operational performance are all contributing and more than offsetting headwinds from inflation, S&A, and currency.
Speaker 1: Earnings per share of $7.25 at the midpoint would be up 12% from last year, and again with Mark V in the last six years setting new levels.
Speaker 1: In addition to the contributions from growth and margin, capital allocation to both M&A and buyback is also contributing to the results.
Speaker 1: And finally, we're expecting free cash flow conversion of around 100% from improved working capital management and moderating growth in the second half.
Speaker 1: After accounting for Nadella and CapEx, we forecast to end the year below the midpoint of our leverage range, which puts us in an excellent position to continue to create value through disciplined capital allocation through the remainder of this year and into 2024.
Speaker 1: In summary, the first quarter was a strong start to what we anticipate will be another excellent year for Timken.
Speaker 1: We continue to demonstrate the strength of our improved portfolio, our ability to execute at a high level through a wide variety of macroeconomic conditions as we continue to advance the company as a diversified industrial leader.
Speaker 1: I'll now turn it over to Phil to go into more detail on the results and the outlook.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Rich and good morning everyone. For the financial review, I'm going to start on slide 13 of the presentation materials.
Speaker 1: Timken followed up its record performance last year with record performance once again in the first quarter. And you can see a summary of the results on this slide.
Speaker 1: We posted revenue of 1.26 billion in the quarter, up over 12% from last year, and an all-time record for the company.
Speaker 1: We delivered an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21%, up 100 basis points from last year, and we achieved all-time record adjusted earnings per share of $2.09.
Speaker 2: Note that our adjusted EPS now excludes acquisition amortization expense.
Speaker 2: And finally,
Speaker 2: We delivered an adjusted return on invested capital of almost 15% over the past 12 months well above our cost of capital
Speaker 2: Turning to slide 14, let's take a closer look at our first quarter sales performance.
Speaker 2: Organically, sales were up nearly 11% from last year.
Speaker 2: driven by strong growth in both the engineered bearings and industrial motion segments.
Speaker 2: Organic growth continued to benefit from strong gains in both volume and pricing across most sectors and platforms during the quarter.
Speaker 2: Looking at the rest of the revenue walk, the impact of acquisitions, including GGB, net of divestitures contributed 4 percentage points of growth to the top line.
Speaker 2: while foreign currency translation was aheadwind of revenue as expected.
Speaker 2: On the right-hand side of this slide, you can see organic growth by region, which excludes both currency and net acquisition impact.
Speaker 2: Most regions were up in the quarter versus last year.
Speaker 2: with Asia Pacific leading the way.
Speaker 2: Asia Pacific leading the way. Let me touch briefly on a few regions.
Speaker 2: We were up 23% in Asia Pacific, driven by broad-based growth across the region.
Speaker 2: with renewable energy, rail, and distribution posting the strongest sector gains.
Speaker 2: In North America, our largest region, we were up 9%.
Speaker 2: with both the engineered bearings and industrial motion segments posting solid growth versus last year.
Speaker 2: Most sectors were also up in the quarter, led by distribution and rail.
Speaker 2: And in EMEA, we were up 6% with our industrial motion segment leading the way, driven by double-digit growth in the automatic lubrication systems and linear motion platforms.
Speaker 2: With respect to performance by sector, industrial distribution posted the strongest gain in the quarter. Turn to slide 15. Adjustity but down in the first quarter was 266 million or 21% of sales.
Speaker 2: compared to 225 million or 20% of sales last year.
Speaker 2: Looking at the change in adjusted EVA dollars, we benefited from favorable price mix, higher volume, and lower material and logistics costs.
Speaker 2: These positives more than offset the impact of unfavorable manufacturing performance.
Speaker 2: higher SG&A other costs, and a sizable headwind from currency.
Speaker 2: Overall, we delivered an incremental margin of just under 30%, driven by our positive price-cost performance and solid execution on the higher sales.
Speaker 2: with organic incremental margins, that is excluding currency and acquisitions, coming in closer to 40%.
Speaker 2: Let me comment a little further on a few of the key profitability drivers in the quarter.
Speaker 2: With respect to price mix, pricing was meaningfully higher in both engineered bearings and industrial motion compared to last year, and both segments saw pricing step up from the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: Mix was also positive, driven by strong growth again in attractive sectors like industrial distribution.
Speaker 2: Moving to material and logistics, the year-over-year change in the quarter was a net positive.
Speaker 2: lower logistics and transportation costs.
Speaker 2: more than offset slightly higher material costs. I'd also note that material and logistics costs were down sequentially from the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: On the manufacturing line, we were negatively impacted by continued inflation in labor and other input costs like energy.
Speaker 2: manufacturing line, we were negatively impacted by continued inflation in labor and other input costs like energy as well as lower production volume.
Speaker 2: as we built a sizable amount of inventory in the first quarter of last year.
Speaker 2: On the positive side, we delivered solid operational execution across the enterprise.
Speaker 2: In addition to the footprint actions Rich talked about, we're seeing benefits from improved supply chain dynamics and other efficiency gains in our plans.
Speaker 2: And finally, on the SG&A other line, costs were up in the first quarter as we expected, driven by higher compensation expense and other spending to support the increased sales and business activity levels.
Speaker 2: On slide 16, you can see that we posted net income of $122 million, or $1.67 per diluted share for the first quarter on a GAAP basis.
Speaker 2: This includes 42 cents of net expense from special items, driven primarily by a goodwill impairment charge related to the resegmentation.
Speaker 2: On an adjusted basis, we earn $2.09 per share, up 22% from last year, and a new record for any quarter.
Speaker 2: You'll note that we benefited from a lower share count in the first quarter versus last year, reflecting the significant amount of share buybacks we've completed in the past 12 months.
Speaker 2: Interest expense was higher as expected, driven primarily by higher debt levels resulting from our capital allocation initiatives.
Speaker 2: And finally, our adjusted tax rate of 25.5% was flat versus last year and in line with our expectations.
Speaker 2: Now let's move to our business segment results reflecting our new reporting structure, starting with engineered bearings on slide 17. For the first quarter, engineered bearing sales were $901 million.
Speaker 2: up 16.6% from last year. Organically, sales were up nearly 13%.
Speaker 2: driven by growth across most sectors with renewable energy, distribution, rail, and heavy industries posting the strongest gains.
Speaker 2: Pricing was positive and the impact of acquisitions net of divestitures added nearly 7 percentage points of growth to the top line.
Speaker 2: while currency translation reduced growth by about 3% in the quarter.
Speaker 2: Engineered bearings adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter was 204 million or 22.6% of sales compared to 174 million or 22.5% of sales last year with margins up slightly.
Speaker 2: Engineered bearing segment margins reflect favorable price mix, the impact of higher sales volumes, and lower material and logistics costs.
Speaker 2: offset partially by higher manufacturing and SG&A costs, and a sizable headwind from currency.
Speaker 2: Excluding the impact of currency and acquisitions, organic incremental margins and engineered bearings were above 30%.
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to industrial motion on slide 18. For the first quarter, industrial motion segment sales were 362 million, up 2.8% from last year. Organically, sales increased 7%.
Speaker 2: as all platforms are up in the quarter with automatic lubrication systems posting the largest revenue gain.
Speaker 2: platforms were up in the quarter with automatic lubrication systems posting the largest revenue gain. And pricing was positive.
Speaker 2: The impact of divestiture's net of acquisitions was a headwind in the corridor of around 2%, as was foreign currency translation.
Speaker 2: Industrial motion adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter with $77 million, or 21.2% of sales, compared to $63 million, or 18% of sales last year.
Speaker 2: A sizable increase in industrial motion segment margins was driven by the benefit of positive price cost and improved operational execution.
Speaker 2: which more than offset the impact of higher sgna and manufacturing costs.
Speaker 2: Turning to slide 19, you can see that we generated operating cash flow of $79 million in the quarter.
Speaker 2: And after CapEx, free cash flow was $37 million, a significant improvement compared to last year, driven mainly by higher earnings and better working capital performance.
Speaker 2: From a capital allocation standpoint, we returned $78 million of cash to shareholders during the first quarter through dividends and the repurchase of 670,000 shares.
Speaker 2: We also completed the ARB acquisition at the end of January . Looking at the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with net debt to adjusted EBITDA at 1.9 times.
Speaker 2: unchanged from your end and well within our targeted range.
Speaker 2: With our strong balance sheet and increased cash flow outlook, we remain in a great position to grow the earnings power of the company moving forward, both organically and through office.
Speaker 2: all while continuing to return cash to shareholders. In early April , we closed down the Nadella acquisition, and the integration with our roll-on business is well underway.
Speaker 2: Now let's turn to the outlook with a summary on slide 20.
Speaker 2: As Rich highlighted, we're raising our 2023 outlook for both the top and bottom lines, as well as our outlook for free cash flow.
Speaker 2: Starting on the sales outlook, we're now planning for sales to be up 8 to 11 percent in total, or 9.5 percent at the midpoint, versus 2022.
Speaker 2: Our prior guide was 6% at the midpoint.
Speaker 2: The increase reflects the impact of the Nadella acquisition as well as a slightly higher organic growth outlook.
Speaker 2: Organically, we now expect revenue will be up 4% at the midpoint versus 3% in our prior guide.
Speaker 2: Note that our volume assumptions continue to reflect some prudent cautiousness around the second half.
Speaker 2: given all the market uncertainty still out there. We expect the acquisition's net of divestitures to contribute around 5.5% to revenue for the full year, up from 3.5% in our prior guide.
Speaker 2: This includes roughly nine months of Nadella results. And finally, we now expect currency translation to be neutral to the top line for the full year based on current spot rates.
Speaker 2: On the bottom line, we're raising our 2023 outlook and now expect record adjusted earnings per share in the range of $7 to $7.50.
Speaker 2: which represents around 12% growth at the midpoint versus 2022.
Speaker 2: The midpoint of our earnings outlook implies that our 2023 consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin will now be about 19.5%, which is 50 basis points up from both our prior guide and last year.
Speaker 2: It would also mark a new high for the company.
Speaker 2: Note that we expect both the engineered bearings and industrial motion segments to expand margins for the full year.
Speaker 2: Our margin assumption reflects favorable price costs, the impact of higher organic sales volumes, and improved operational execution, which would more than offset higher manufacturing and SG&A costs.
Speaker 2: as well as the impact of lower production volume in terms of less inventory build.
Speaker 2: Note that our margin assumption also reflects a sizable bottom line headwind from currency off the favorable impact we saw last year.
Speaker 2: Moving to free cash flow, we now expect to generate over $450 million for the full year of 2023, or around 100% conversion on our reported net income. This would be over $160 million above last year, reflecting the impact of higher earnings and improved working capital performance, offset partially by higher CapEx spending.
Speaker 2: We continue to estimate CapEx at around 4% of sales.
Speaker 2: And finally, we now anticipate net interest expense of roughly $95 million for the full year.
Speaker 2: which reflects higher debt associated with the Nadella acquisition.
Speaker 2: and we expect our adjusted tax rate to remain around 25.5%. So to summarize, the company delivered record results to start the year, and we're raising our 2023 outlook across the board.
Speaker 2: Our team is working hard to advance Timken as a global industrial leader, and we're confident in our ability to deliver higher levels of performance through dynamic economic environments.
Speaker 2: This concludes our formal remarks and will now open the line for questions.
Speaker 2: This concludes our formal remarks and will now open the line for questions. Operator.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: We will just take a brief pause to assemble our Q&A roster. The first question today comes from Steve Volkmann with Jefferies. Please go ahead and see if your line is open.
Speaker 5: Great. Thank you. Good morning, everybody.
Speaker 5: Good morning. I think both of you guys characterized your revenue forecast as sort of potentially conservative, which makes sense given sort of all the uncertainties out there. But I was actually sort of surprised that you didn't raise your margin guidance a little bit more given the performance of the first quarter.
Speaker 5: I guess I just want to see whether you think the margin performance could be characterized as conservative and more directly, what would be the kind of headwinds fill that would limit the incrementals going forward relative to what we saw in the first quarter?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a great question, Steve. I think as we look at the outlook, you know, we took the margins up to 19.5% at the midpoint, which does reflect improved incrementals and what we would have talked about a quarter ago. Part of that would imply, call it a mid-20s.
Speaker 2: All in incremental margin for the year. The biggest thing that's in there that's a little bit unusual would be the currency The currency situation we had a large benefit last year That's not repeating so it is affecting the year-on-year comps for currency And we I think we talked about it last year, but I mean if we strip that out strip out the acquisitions We're actually our guidance would imply organic incrementals of north of 40%
Speaker 2: So I do think we're generating the positive price cost, we're seeing the improved execution. I think there's opportunities to continue to improve there, but we do feel like we have a fair amount of improvement baked in. Certainly if volumes are better, that'll give us an opportunity to take advantage of the volume and generate some potentially higher margins. And obviously the input cost situation will be...
Speaker 2: will have the ability to weigh on it as well. But I do feel like we have a good, pretty solid improvement baked in, especially when you strip out that unusual currency headwind that we've got in the current year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just add there's the seasonal element as well that I think last year Q1 to Q4 was about 300 basis points of margin difference and we still expect that seasonality impact. We expect the first half margins to be higher than the second half.
Speaker 5: Understood, thanks. And then, Rich, you mentioned that your forecast factors in some de-stocking at some customers or distributors or something. Has that, has your view of that changed? Is that more now than it was three months ago or any color there would be great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think de-stocking, maybe normalization of supply chains would be a better term than de-stocking. I think we did talk about that in the...
Speaker 1: Last quarterly call that we thought that was inventory.
Speaker 1: was a bit of a headwind for us as much the fourth quarter and then again in the first quarter. You know, I would use us as the example. We would usually build inventory in the first quarter on a modest revenue and we were up 11 and didn't build much inventory and that
Speaker 1: I think is an indication of a lot of the inefficiencies that we had in our own inventory from the supply chain challenges over the last couple of years. And I think that is happening up the chain from us in the supply chains as well. And we're seeing that come out.
Speaker 1: We're not seeing necessarily distributor de-stocking, we're not seeing reduction from demand. I would say it's much more of the supply chains coming into normal, lead times coming back down, particularly logistics lead times are fairly normal. And that alone is a pretty significant amount of inventory out for us.
Speaker 5: Great, thank you guys.
Speaker 4: Thanks Steve, thanks to you. Our next question comes from Rob Wertheimer with Melius Research. Please go ahead Rob.
Speaker 5: Thank you and good morning everybody. Morning. Hey, Rob. So my question, my 1st 1 is just going to be on on a. Wonder if you would characterize the overall environment, whether it's changing as interest rates have risen, whether the number of buyers is diminishing or otherwise changing, whether sellers are more active just your general thoughts on.
Speaker 5: the market and then your pipeline within it.
Speaker 1: I would say M&A markets remain slow. I think they've been slow for some time. I think it's pretty well publicized out there that deal activity has been down. Cost of capital, certainly a factor in that, on the uncertainty and then maybe potentially. Ah
Speaker 1: buyer-seller value expectation gaps as well. That being said, it's been, it was slow over the last year and during that slow time we acquired four businesses. So, because the slow doesn't mean it can't be done, but when you look at those four, only one of those four was a traditional...
Speaker 1: seller process. The other three were us pursuing the businesses.
Speaker 1: which I think is an indication of slow. So I do think the inbound has been and remains slow, but that doesn't mean that we can't get it done. I'd also say the Industrial Motion and Engineer Bearings reorganization, which is what was behind the resegmentation, was done with the intent to both improve our management of the businesses that we've acquired over the last decade, as well as be in position to do more.
Speaker 1: And I think that that is a couple quarters in. That's been highly effective. And we are in position to do more. I think we have the bandwidth both from a management perspective as well as from a financial capital standpoint to be more active. We're working our pipeline.
Speaker 1: And again, we've managed to overcome the slowness and we'll have to see as we look forward.
Speaker 5: Okay, perfect. Thank you. And if I may, just a couple of quick end market ones. Rail you called out as being strong. Is that just rail car build or is there any other dynamic we should be aware of? And then in general, as we move into Project START, the IRA funding, et cetera, could you talk about the multi-year outlook for renewables? Is any better than there has been another?
Speaker 1: And that's a market for us that's.
Speaker 1: that has been down for a few years and didn't hit a new peak as many of our other markets did in the last couple of years. So a little later build on that, but it's also one that we have a little longer lead time than some of our other markets.
Speaker 1: I think we look really good in that space, at least through the third quarter and into the fourth quarter with our orders and backlog. M2
Speaker 1: On the renewable energy, I...
Speaker 1: I would say for us that market tends to be more Asian and European. I do believe, and it's not a huge for us, we are largely for when we're mostly in the drive system of the turbine and then secondarily in the turbine itself. Those supply chains tend to be in Asia and Europe regardless of where the install is going.
Speaker 1: more investments coming online, making more investments in the space, and we remain very bullish on the five-plus year outlook and again our ability to profitably participate in that. You know the US part of that with the taxes and infrastructure build.
Speaker 1: would certainly be additive to that, but I think even without that we're in a pretty good spot. Our next question comes from Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Speaker 1: be additive to that but I think even without that we're in a pretty good spot. Our next question comes from Brian Blair with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning everyone.
Speaker 1: I hope you can offer a little more color on integration efforts across Spinea, GGB, ARB, earlier stage. And with Q1 in the books and the net load now closed, how should we think about net accretion for the year? Yeah, I'd like to talk about the integration. I don't know what Phil talked about, the accretion fee.
Speaker 1: those parts into roll on from sales forces, etc. There will be some fairly heavy integration in that in the in the coming months. No surprises with the business and it comes to us with good day one profitability.
Speaker 1: So there's no burning platform on the integration, but certainly to capture the synergies long-term, we'll be moving forward there. American roller bearing, more of a fixer-upper, but a market that we know very well and one that has a lot of overlap with our engineered bearing business.
Speaker 1: So very heavy integration there. We've integrated the Salesforce and we're really in the process of converting that from a standalone private business into more of a product line within our within our US North American bearing infrastructure and operations.
Speaker 1: see significant margin improvement potential in that business. But again, it came to us at very modest profitability and will take us some time. But I would expect quarter to quarter we'll see sequential improvement in that as we move that up to
Speaker 1: to the profitability levels that we achieve in similar markets, similar products, similar spaces.
Speaker 1: TGB now about two quarters of ownership, and I would say kind of between those two of a more of a synergistic approach to the where we're focused as a business and looking more at cross-selling opportunities than integration, but it is integrated into our bearing business. And most of the work there in the first couple of quarters, that was a carve out from $COM Rs and Nap wants to give a shout out to everyone working working on this. So he's that good guy, so it's a little bit.
Speaker 1: in pro and that work and the transition services agreement just expired at the end of April . So we've finished the stand up work and we're now focused more on the outgrowth synergies going forward in the business.
Speaker 1: is pretty much exactly what we expected, like the product line, like the applications, and a lot of good both cost and market synergies for us within the bearings business. And then Spinea, much more of a standalone business, which was a step out product for us.
Speaker 1: So there's some, we're really looking more to leverage our North American and Asian sales organizations and really accelerate the globalization of what was really a European, a small European business. The technology is great, the product position is great. It's going to do really well from a growth standpoint.
Speaker 2: Potential of that and I'll put the meal to talk about the financial. Yeah, sure Brian This is Phil on the accretion is rich that Nadella very coming in very attractive He but that margins kind of near the company average 20 ish percent and would expect within our guide would be call it in a five to ten five to ten cent range
Speaker 6: accretion for 2023 with a great opportunity to expand that in 2024 and beyond. All helpful color there. And with regard to the opportunity to increase accretion going forward.
Speaker 6: you know, you're kind of integrating alongside roll-on, which is uniquely profitable, as your integration efforts continue and that business has grown. Are roll-on type margins achievable over time? Are there structural limitations that would prevent it from getting to quite that level?
Speaker 1: I would say there's some mixed limitations probably within that that we would, our case would be to probably get the margins somewhere halfway between where the Della enters and where Roland sits today.
Speaker 7: That's fair. Thank you again.
Speaker 4: Thanks Brian . Our next question comes from David Rasso with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead David.
Speaker 8: Hi, thank you. I apologize if I missed this, but did you give the organic sales expectation for the 2nd quarter?
Speaker 2: So it would be sequentially flattish. Yeah, which would imply year over year, David, I'll call it mid singles, year on year, organic.
Speaker 8: Okay, so if we use five or six for the second quarter, it's basically the idea of the second half. You're just assuming it's flat year over year. That's the general. Correct. Organically, that'd be the midpoint of the guide. Obviously, the high end would be growth off that and obviously the low end is the conservatism we've built in. Yeah, expanding that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the high end of the guide, it would be pretty close to that. We certainly do better than that. I think we did better than that in last year. We did better than that I think in 2018, and we could do better than that, but I think that's fairly normal-ish. And then, you know, in a softening market, a little lower than that, and you go down to the low end.
Speaker 1: of the revenue guide and in the lower end would be.
Speaker 1: a fairly significant softening on the low end and a normal-ish on the high end.
Speaker 8: And I know by no means are you a long cycle business. I appreciate that. But given it's already the 1st week in May.
Speaker 8: The idea of the second half being flat is that still at the moment a bit theoretical or are you starting to see? order patterns
Speaker 1: you know, 60 days out that would suggest that level of slowdown. To that, I would say no, we're not seeing, we're not seeing that level of slowdown. April , on a daily basis, was right in line with the first quarter. If you look at slide, the market slide, which I don't have a number on, oh, slide eight.
Speaker 1: Two of those we moved from up mid singles to positive. So orders in those space were strong in the.
Speaker 1: first quarter, first four months of the year. You move to the far left, those would be the markets, you know, automotive would probably have eight, ten weeks on the OEM side, and in the aftermarket, most of the orders that come in go out in the same week. Same thing for heavy truck. We are in the middle, Gu imperfect around 1100 miles, around 1,000 have to do remote shopping to get 8 on his left.
Speaker 1: distribution, we have a little bit of backlog, but a lot of that is same thing that the orders are coming in and out. So, you know, it's that middle that I think if we get the orders to stay at the pace they have been through April , you know, there'd be more upside to that. And again,
Speaker 1: The number you just quoted is the midpoint of the guide. If you go up to the higher end of the guide, I think it'd be a little more optimistic than the numbers you just put out there. That's great. And a clarification, when you said April in line with the first quarter, that's a sequential comment, I assume, or year over year?
Speaker 8: I mean, the 10, 11% organic year over year or sequentially in line, no softening. So it's sequentially in line with our, with our outlook to be flattish on a daily basis. That's great. And a quick follow up. The pricing comment, if I heard correctly. We're not expecting much any further year over year pricing.
Speaker 1: after the first quarter or no further? No, no sequential. So unlike the last two years where we got our biggest step up from Q4 to Q1, which is fairly typical, but then we had a fair amount of more sequential pricing that we were putting in every quarter.
Speaker 1: So I think the first quarter just marked our 10th consecutive quarter of sequential pricing.
Speaker 1: We are not expecting much sequential pricing from the first quarter rate on. That being said, it probably will still be positive, but it's going to be a nominal positive. And then the comps get harder because of the phenomenon that we were raising them through the course of last year. So the year over year number would come down just from the comp perspective.
Speaker 2: But sequentially it would be flat to up very modestly. Yeah, what I would say, David, is we'd exceed it. But there's carry over. It was positive in Q1. There is up year over year. It was positive in Q1. Yeah, what was that? It'll be positive year over year all year. It'll just moderate as we move through the year, just on the difficult tops. But pricing should be positive every quarter, year on year through the year. OK.
Speaker 8: And the 4% organic for the year then so prices two and a half of it something like that just to get a sense of Yeah, it'd be more more of a contribution from price than volume We're not getting too specific on it anymore But more of it definitely more of a contribution from price and volume so yeah more than two less than four we do expect volume To still be positive as well, okay?
Speaker 4: Thanks, David. Our next question comes from Steve Barger with KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead, Steve.
Speaker 1: Thanks. With your previous segments, the M&A focus was on process. With this new reporting structure, do you lean in one direction or the other in terms of building out the portfolio, or will the focus be more on specific targets, specific verticals that you might target?
Speaker 1: Well I would think certainly say that the in market focus would remain on process so Nadella and American roller bearing would be almost they'd certainly be 80 plus percent process industries markets maybe maybe more than 90.
Speaker 1: GGB a little more mobile, but still the exciting part of it is probably more the process industries markets, but they have some really good positions in aerospace and. So, I think and then would also be. Process for so the focus would remain on process industries and then.
Speaker 1: within that, some of the markets that we've talked about, automation, food and beverage remains a focus, Marine has been a focus for us. And that being said, certainly something that comes with a mobile mix of rail.
Speaker 2: beneath the segment, which would be automatic lubrication systems, linear motion, drive systems and services, belt chain, etc. And I think we'll look to continue to scale those platforms as we move forward. So, Spinea with an opportunity to scale in the robotic drives area. And obviously, Nadella in the linear motion area. So, continuing to really scale those platforms.
Speaker 8: as we move forward and then while we're targeting the most attractive sectors. So re-segmentation doesn't really change how you think about how you'll approach the M&A market. Yeah, I really know those process-oriented businesses. Right, correct. And engineered has higher margins.
Speaker 1: and better incrementals last year. Is that what you expect with respect to operating leverage going forward just based on mix, ability to price, how you see the manufacturing footprint? And more broadly, does one have more margin expansion potential than the other?
Speaker 1: I would say when we look at our long range margin.
Speaker 1: I would say when we look at our long range margin targets of 200.
Speaker 1: basis points of expansion over the multi years of the target range, we would look at most of that margin expansion coming through industrial motion as opposed to bearings. So, not that we don't have a potential and we're always working to expand the margins in bearings, but we definitely see more potential in industrial motion.
Speaker 1: On the flip side of that, some of these businesses come to us at relatively modest margins to start, so it does take some time to get them up there, so you have some time mixing yourself down. But definitely see more potential there on the expansion. Got it. And if I could ask one...
Speaker 1: got one big bearing business that's largely being run globally. And there's some pockets of it like GGB and especially areas like aerospace that are sub-businesses down beneath that. But one big global business there and then we're on the industrial and motion side set up more.
Speaker 1: as a combination of businesses that in some cases share some sales forces and certainly other other synergy possibilities like our digital platform, etc. But we do have, you know, a dedicated management over that group. I think we're in a much better position from a management bandwidth standpoint to scale it.
Speaker 1: and to drive the synergies across the platforms. I would say the Salesforce change has already been happening. We continue to go, it's a combination. We go to market by in-market geography and product, essentially some combination of those in some cases.
Speaker 1: some relatively small geographies. We have salespeople that are covering a wide range of products. In some cases we have salespeople that cover one customer. So it's an ever-evolving situation on the sales side. I think we're good at it and we definitely have, you know, a lot of cross-selling opportunities from the portfolio that we've put together.
Speaker 4: Great, thank you. Thanks Steve. Our next question comes from Tim Sane with Citigroup. Please go ahead.
Speaker 8: Thanks, good morning. We talked through the pricing earlier, but I'm just curious on...
Speaker 2: how to think about mix as we go through the year. So if distribution was obviously a good guy here in the first quarter, probably, I would assume, still a tailwind in a second, but how does that behave?
Speaker 9: you know, if we switch to, you know, the markets like rail, I don't think renewables historically is the best from kind of a contribution standpoint, but just kind of the trade off first half to second, does mix end up being enough to offset.
Speaker 1: the pricing tailwind you have or is it not that pronounced? Any help on that? I'm gonna let Phil take that one. I did want to make one comment on the renewable energy. We used to talk about renewable mixed down process industry segment, but it's fine from a company perspective. It's not far off company, so I would not say that's a big negative from a company perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim, but I think on overall on this I do I do think you're thinking about it, right? So, you know if you look at our market chart, we have industrial distribution sort of in the middle for the year You know, it was quite strong In the first quarter so, you know, and again, we've got conservatism baked Conservatives and baked into the second half but as that were to moderate I do think you would see mixed
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay. I mean, yeah, and obviously they're a small piece of your overall distribution, but the commentary from the handful of public industrial distributors doesn't...
Speaker 9: No, not at all. Yeah. And then, sorry, just on the manufacturing piece, and maybe for you, Phil, just on the – so you've got these inflationary impacts still coming and the absorption headwind that we've – that you've been telegraphing for some time. Do these – the footprint realignment, as those come through, are those enough to –
Speaker 9: Is it a push or do you expect that manufacturing head when you had in the first quarter? Based on what you see today, does that get better or worse as we go through the year? I would say that net would get better as the comps get a little bit easier as we move through the year. In terms of the components, I think you're thinking about the components the right way, which would be...
Speaker 2: Obviously continued inflation a Delta in terms of significant inventory bill last year Obviously our free cash flow guidance actually implies inventories that slightly are actually down for the year So big Delta there which creates some headwinds on the on the manufacturing side as well as some of the costs That inflation we got hit with last year They got capitalized the inventory kind of working its way through You know offsetting that is we continue to improve the operational execution of the business With the you know with the Mexico plant ramping the consolidation
Speaker 2: of the chain plants and the other actions were taken is going to be an offset to that. And then, as I said, the comps will get sort of easier as we move through the year. So, to Rich's earlier comment about first quarter maybe being the best for mix, I think the first quarter is probably close to the worst that we'll see on the manufacturing line. And to that point, I'd also add that costs are definitely leveling off sequentially. Again, we've seen some things decline, logistics costs are...
Speaker 1: are back to close to where they were pre-pandemic. But labor markets remain tight and don't see those costs certainly going back. So it's really a comp issue. And we've been in this sequential increasing cost environment for nine, 10 quarters, but it's definitely leveled off. And then the other thing that's...
Speaker 1: that's leveled off as our own internal efficiencies from the supply chain challenges. So year over year, would expect some nice improvement embedded in those manufacturing numbers from that. Although I'd also say there were some nice improvements in the first quarter, but it was overwhelmed by the inflationary pressures. I wouldn't say we have step changes now in productivity from the supply chain issues.
Speaker 8: Hey guys, thanks for squeezing me in. Just on the margin trajectory and talking about production, interesting you said your inventory is going to end the year slightly down on a year basis. The slowing production, is that going to accelerate in the second half? Do you take more out in maybe Q3, Q4?
Speaker 9: I recognize you're kind of building that into the guide and just curious how that kind of plays out through the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first I would say in the first quarter, it's a, if you look year over year, pretty big delta in inventory. We built a lot last year in the first quarter, did not in the first quarter of this year. So there was a large.
Speaker 1: absorption cost issue in the first quarter when you look at the year over year. Again, some of Phil's comments, some of that will moderate because the inventory growth moderated. But would expect inventory to be flattish probably in the second quarter and then down a little bit in the second half. But I think we've got that.
Speaker 1: fully baked into our financial models. And again, it was the first quarter when you look at a year over year numbers, probably as bad as it gets. Great, and do you feel like that's representative of the distribution channel that by the end of the year, inventories will be potentially down slightly?
Speaker 1: versus a year ago and just help us understand with all the concern on inventories. Like, how do inventories look to you in the distribution channel relative to where we were pre-pandemic? I would say they're actually probably a little low still, as you put it, as a percentage of sales or turns. So I think they're improving in the turns where we have visibility to it.
Speaker 1: So, you know, inventory distribution is only one small piece of the total inventory. So I would not say we're looking at a big change there. But I mean, everybody now is managing inventory, we're managing inventory, and things are happening on time and to a cadence and a schedule now. So just the inefficiencies and the waste are natural.
Speaker 2: it aligns with the midpoint of our guide, which would have volume slightly down in the second half. But more importantly, what we're trying to do with inventory is get our days, as we manage our days, back where they were, because they were elevated as we moved through last year. So it's really more about trying to get our days aligned with where we need to be moving forward in a healthy environment versus anything else.
Speaker 1: Typically our inventory turns would improve in a year where we're delivering double-digit organic and they declined last year. So we've got a we just got a good opportunity as do many of our customers just to get their turns back in line with where they were. Great, I'll just sneak one last in there.
Speaker 10: first four months a year. Thanks.
Speaker 1: I think it's a real positive when you look at both from a cost standpoint of us running our plants over there, the plants are running the best they have since early 2020. And then from a revenue standpoint, you see now some periods in the first four months of the year where you look and say China was almost shut down for that two week period last year and you know,
Speaker 1: markets have been a little more mixed but there's some some pretty low comps I think
generally pretty bullish about that market in 23. Our final question today comes from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Real quickly, on the re-segmentation, hey guys.
I'm curious, like, you know, there's a lot of questions around like M&A. Do you look at it the opposite way too? Is there an opportunity potentially for some addition by subtraction and divesting some of the some of the businesses within within the two segments?
I would not say we have anything of size in either segment that we would be looking to divest. Okay.
We did divest. Yero drives business, so 35, 40 million in revenue. Always looking at the portfolio, certainly that could change, but if we did anything in the next 12 to 18 months, I would expect it to be somewhere between nothing and of a similar size to ADS, a relatively small piece of the portfolio.
Okay, cool. And then last one for me, just China. It seemed like Asia was really strong this quarter. I'm curious, what was China specifically? And it seems like, you know, there's a bit of a disconnect going on across the coverage where China is reopening a little bit slower for some folks. It seems like it was probably pretty positive for you guys. So where are you guys kind of seeing strength in your business in China? Probably in the renewable space. So.
For us, it was the strong numbers were driven by renewable energy, and for the year they're going to be driven by renewable energy. And I would say we're seeing the same thing. Putting renewable energy aside, we're seeing some mixed results in China with the reopening, but overall positive. And I would add India was up significantly and quite bullish on the India market for not just 23, but the several years following that as well. Yeah, what was great about Asia, Joe, is that we were up 23% in the region, but we sort of split it.
There are no remaining questions at this time. Sir, do you have any final comments or remarks? Yeah, thanks Emily, and thank you everyone for joining us today. If you have any further questions after today's call, please contact me. Thank you, and this concludes our call. Thank you for participating in today's Timkins-