Q1 2023 Mohawk Industries Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: Good day and welcome to the Mohawk Industries Inc. first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen only mode.
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Speaker 1: Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to James Brunk. Please go ahead.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dave. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Mohawk Industries Quarterly Investor Call.
Speaker 2: Joining me on today's call are Jeff Lorbon, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and Chris Walvorn, President and Chief Operating Officer. Today, we'll update you on the company's first quarter performance and provide guidance for the second quarter of 2023. I'd like to remind everyone that our press release and statements that we make during this call are fully available from www. PoliciesForMac here to find Bob, Bob, Bob and Bob Galilei on our website.
Speaker 2: Securities and Exchange Commission. This call may include the discussion of non-GAAP numbers. For reconciliation of any non-GAAP to GAAP amounts, please refer to our Form 8K and press release in the investor section of our website.
Speaker 2: I'll now turn the call over to Jeff for opening comics.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jim. For the first quarter of 2023, Mohawk's net sales were $2.8 billion, down approximately 6.9% as reported, or 5.9% on a constant basis, and our adjusted EPS for the quarter was $1.75.
Speaker 2: All of our businesses are adapting our strategies to a more challenging environment. We're managing our costs while investing for both short and long-term growth. We exceeded our earnings expectations with the businesses maintaining higher pricing and mix and flooring rest of world outperforming the other segments.
Speaker 2: The commercial channel continues to be stronger than residential with home remodeling projects being postponed and new housing construction being impacted by higher mortgage rates. Our balance sheet remains strong and we generated over 125 million of free cash flow.
Speaker 2: We strategically invested in new product innovation, enhanced merchandising, and customer trade shows to improve sales. We are continuing to reduce costs across the enterprise by enhancing productivity, streamlining processes, and controlling administrative expenses.
Speaker 3: Our customers remain conservative in their inventory commitments, and all of our operations are running at lower utilization levels, creating higher costs from unabsorbed overhead. We see increased competition as industry capacity utilization and input costs decline.
Speaker 3: In Europe , natural gas prices have dropped dramatically, though they remain at almost double the historical levels. We expect consumer spending to improve as wages rise, inflation slows, and energy costs fall. Our new product introductions provide more value options for budget-conscious consumers.
Speaker 3: In the U.S., limited supply, high interest rates, and persistent inflation have suppressed the housing market. Our home sales and changing consumer spending habits are impacting the remodeling category.
Speaker 3: We are maximizing our commercial business with new introductions, marketing initiatives, and targeted promotions.
Speaker 3: In our other geographies, demand is similarly slowing, with residential more affected than commercial.
Speaker 3: Though the Mexican economy faces challenges, our business air is holding up better, while Brazil slowed more with higher interest rates and reductions in consumer inventories.
Speaker 3: Our restructuring actions are on track in the flooring North America and flooring rest of world segments and should improve the results of our business.
Speaker 3: We are limiting our other capital investments to those providing significant sales, margins, and process improvements.
Speaker 3: We're expanding our constrained category that have the greatest growth potential when the economy recovers. These include LBT, premium laminate, quartz countertops, porcelain slabs, and insulation products.
Speaker 3: We completed two acquisitions in ceramic in Brazil and Mexico that had combined sales of approximately $425 million, almost doubling our existing market share in those geographies.
Speaker 3: We are developing strategies to increase our sales by providing broader product offering and using combined brands to satisfy all price points.
Speaker 3: In each country, we're beginning to consolidate the businesses to reduce costs, improve efficiencies, and optimize production.
Speaker 3: We also continue to improve the small bolt-on acquisitions in Europe and the U.S. that we completed last year.
Speaker 3: Despite falling energy prices, natural gas and electricity inflation remained a headwind in the first quarter, though our future results will benefit as lower costs flow through the P&L.
Speaker 3: Our sustainable strategy includes investments in both production of green energy from biomass, wind and solar, which reduces both our expenses and our carbon footprint.
Speaker 3: Our two biomass energy plants lowered our costs and improved our results in the quarter. We also purchased some of our European energy at various times to reduce future cost volatility.
Speaker 3: Italian energy subsidies have been extended at reduced levels through the second quarter.
Speaker 2: I'll turn the call over to Jim for his review of our financial performance. Thank you, Jeff. Sales for the quarter were just over $2.8 billion. That's a decrease of 6.9% as reported, or 5.9% on a constant basis, driven by a reduction in volume and unfavorable FX, as compared to Q1 2022, which was still benefiting from the COVID-19 pandemic.
Speaker 2: Gross profit as a percentage of sales was 22.9% as reported, and excluding one-time items was 24.1% versus 26.6% in the prior year. The year-over-year decline was due to the impact of inflation, lower volume, the related temporary plant shutdowns, and unfavorable FX.
Speaker 2: partially offset by stronger price mix and productivity gains.
Speaker 2: The actual detailed amounts of these items will be included in the MD&A of our 10Q, which will be filed after the call. SG&A as a percentage of sales was 18.4% as reported. The year-over-year dollar increase in SG&A was driven by inflation, primarily in employee expenses.
Speaker 2: increased cost in product development and marketing to drive future sales, volume and unfavorable price mix, partially offset by favorable FX and productivity initiatives.
Speaker 2: Operating margin as reported was 4.5 percent.
Speaker 2: Restructuring, acquisitions, and other charges were $36 million in the quarter, of which $6 million was cashed. These charges are primarily related to the previously announced initiatives, mainly in Florida, North America, and Florida and the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: Operating margin excluding charges is 5.8%. Similar to gross margin, the year-over-year decline is driven by higher inflation, lower volumes and related temporary plant shutdowns and costs associated with investments in new product development and marketing.
Speaker 2: partially offset by favorable price mix and productivity gains.
Speaker 2: Interest expense for the quarter was $17 million, increasing year over year, primarily due to the higher interest rates. Our non-GAAP tax rate for the quarter was 22.6% versus 22.3% in the prior year. We expect Q2's tax rate to be approximately 19 to 20%, and the full year rate to be between 21 and 22%.
Speaker 2: with quarterly variations.
Speaker 2: That leads us to an earnings per share as reported of $1.26 and excluding charges of $1.75.
Speaker 2: Turning to the segments, in global ceramics sales were just shy of 1.1 billion dollars. That's a 0.5% decrease as reported and 1.2% decrease on a constant basis.
Speaker 2: Volume declines across all regions were only partially offset by favorable price mix, FX gains and acquisitions.
Speaker 2: Overall, the US business had the strongest year-over-year performance as commercial and new home construction outperformed residential remodeling.
Speaker 2: Operating margin excluding charges was 6.3%, declining year over year due to the slowing economies and higher interest rates impacting all geographies, resulting in lower volumes and short-term plant shutdowns, partially offset by favorable price mix and productivity gains.
Speaker 2: We are focusing on expanding markets, integration of our acquisitions in Mexico and Brazil, differentiated products, and growth capex to drive future results.
Speaker 2: In Florida, North America, sales are 953 million. That's an 11.1% decrease as reported and on a constant basis. We saw weakness across all product categories compared to a very robust Q1 of 2022 led by residential soft surface products.
Speaker 2: as our commercial and laminate businesses, while still down versus prior year, had the strongest year-over-year volumes in the segment.
Speaker 2: Operating margin and schooling charges was 0.5%. The decline in operating margin was due to the weakening in the housing market, with consumers deferring home improvement projects and trading down to meet constrained budgets, leading to lower volumes and temporary plant shutdowns.
Speaker 2: In addition, the segment's margins were compressed as it absorbed peak material costs from prior periods. In the quarter, we also invested in new product development and marketing initiatives to expand future sales. These headwinds were partially offset by favorable price mix and productivity gains.
Speaker 2: And finally, flooring rest of the world with sales of 793 million, that's a 9.7% decline as reported, including unfavorable effects, and 6% on a constant basis.
Speaker 2: As housing-related purchases significantly declined, negatively impacting our flooring products.
Speaker 2: as compared to our installation business, which maintained a positive year-over-year growth driven by the push to further conserve energy.
Speaker 2: Operating margin excluding charges was 12.6%, declining versus prior year due to the higher inflation, lower volumes, and temporary plant shutdowns, partially offset by favorable price mix and benefit from our green energy production.
Speaker 2: We are implementing selective promotion, executing our restructuring actions, and increasing supply chains outside of Europe to drive sales and margin growth. Corporate expense and eliminations were $10 million in line with the prior year and I would expect full year corporate expenses should be approximately $45 million.
Speaker 2: Turning to the balance sheet, pre-cash flow for the period was $129 million versus a $75 million use of cash in the prior year. Receivables were just shy of $2.1 billion with DSO at 56 days versus 54 in the prior year but improving from 60 days as of the end of the year of 2022.
Speaker 2: Inventories were just over $2.7 billion. Now excluding the impact of acquisitions, inventories decreased $114 million versus Q4 of 2022. For days, stand at 128 days versus 111.
Speaker 2: in the prior year, but improving from 138 days at the end of 2022.
Speaker 2: Property plant equipment was just over $4.9 billion, and Q1 capex was $128 million, with DNA at $170 million.
Speaker 2: Full year, our 23 forecast includes capex of $570 million and DNA of approximately $600 million.
Speaker 2: And finally, gross debt of $3.3 billion and leverage at 1.7 times adjusted EBITDA gives us the strength and flexibility to manage through this uncertain market.
Speaker 2: Now, I will turn the call over to Chris to review our Q1 operational performance. Thank you, Jim.
Speaker 1: The global ceramic segment spans many countries, with each having their own unique economic conditions.
Speaker 1: All of our regions are being impacted by slowing economies and higher interest rates.
Speaker 3: The commercial channel is strongest and new home construction held up better than residential remodeling as consumers reduce Discretionary purchases in this softening environment our customers are lowering their inventory levels with significant differences in each region
Speaker 3: As industry volumes decline, we are facing additional competitive pressures in our markets.
Speaker 3: Our pricing has lagged our cost changes, though we are seeing decreases in energy and material expenses which should benefit our future results.
Speaker 1: The US is performing better than our other ceramic markets due to our greater sales in the commercial sectors. Our domestic production is more reliable than imported alternatives which is benefiting our sales particularly in our premium collections which compare favorably to European alternatives.
Speaker 3: We are shifting our sales force focus to target opportunities in the multifamily and exterior channels and are expanding our commercial and builder distribution with curated collections for immediate delivery. To increase our countertop volume, we are expanding our business with national accounts, contractors, and kitchen and bath retailers.
Speaker 3: We are re-engineering our entry-level quartz countertop to lower our cost and enhance the value.
Speaker 3: To manage through the slowing environment, we continue to reduce our costs across the business, including overhead and discretionary spending.
Speaker 3: Our ceramic business in Europe remains under pressure as demand has declined due to ongoing inflation and higher interest rates. We maintained higher average selling prices than we anticipated, partially due to our new introductions.
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Speaker 3: We maintained higher average selling prices than we anticipated, partially due to our new introductions.
Speaker 3: Our overall volumes were down in the quarter with all markets impacted by slowing residential remodeling.
Speaker 3: As the market slows, competition is becoming more aggressive in all channels. We are increasing porcelain slab production to support continued sales growth through enhanced visuals and specialized textures.
Speaker 3: A drop in fourth quarter energy prices benefited our cost in this quarter, and subsidies from the Italian government helped to offset the impact of energy inflation.
Speaker 3: We continue to focus on cost containment, including productivity projects and R&D initiatives.
Speaker 3: Our other ceramic markets are slowing and we are reducing our production to align with demand. Sales trends improved as we progress through the quarter and we expect these markets will continue to improve. Our 2023 product launches with new sizes, unique visuals, and polished finishes.
Speaker 3: are being well accepted in the market. The integration of our acquisitions is progressing, and we are implementing specific sales, marketing, and operational plans to improve the businesses.
Speaker 3: This year we will convert the acquisitions to our information systems to enable operating as a single business and enhance efficiency.
Speaker 3: In our Flooring Resto World segment, our European businesses have been compressed as high energy prices and inflation impacted consumer budgets.
Speaker 3: In the first quarter, higher volumes, reduced shutdowns, lower energy costs, and production of green energy improved our business from the fourth quarter. The contraction in the housing market has reduced volume levels in our industry as consumers changed spending priorities and customers adjusted inventory levels.
Speaker 3: We are increasing promotions to attract additional volume and expanding product options for more constrained consumer budgets. We have increased controls to manage our costs and reduce our inventories. We are re-engineering our formulations and expanding our supply base to improve our competitive position.
Speaker 3: We are executing our restructuring actions to adapt to the current environment. As input costs decline, we anticipate greater competitive pressures in the market.
Speaker 3: As consumers have deferred residential remodeling projects, our flooring category was most impacted during the quarter. Both laminate and LBT volumes were lower in the quarter and we are controlling our cost and production levels in response. We have begun the conversion of our residential LBT from flexible to rigid and are preparing to restructure the operations.
Speaker 3: Our sheet vinyl increased in volume as consumers sought options to lower remodeling costs. We are improving the product offering at our new Eastern European sheet vinyl acquisition with updated styling as we enhance the facility's production efficiencies.
Speaker 3: Our panel's business has slowed with market and inventory reductions in the channel. Our margins are higher than anticipated due to stronger pricing, lower input costs, and benefits from our biomass energy plans.
Speaker 3: We are making progress on achieving our planned synergies of our French Panels plant and our recent mezzanine flooring acquisition. Our insulation category performed the best in this segment as energy efficiency has become a greater priority. Current regulations around energy composition improve acoustic PuttingBackground incoming
Speaker 3: conservation continue to increase, and our polyurethane products provide the greatest heat resistant properties. We have integrated our insulation acquisition in Ireland and the UK, and our new facility is ramping up ahead of schedule.
Speaker 3: In Australia and New Zealand, the economies are slowing and inflation and higher interest rates have affected the housing market. In the quarter, our results were impacted by lower volumes in both residential soft and hard surfaces.
Speaker 3: We're implementing additional price increases to offset inflation and selectively introducing promotions to drive sales.
Speaker 3: The commercial sector is outperforming residential and we are expanding our emphasis in specified projects.
Speaker 3: We are controlling costs and adjusting inventory levels to market demand. Our flooring North America segment has been challenged by significant inflation, higher interest rates, and more restrictive lending, which have weakened the housing market and our industry.
Speaker 3: Many consumers are deferring home improvement investments or trading down due to budget constraints. As a result, our customers are more tightly managing their inventory levels.
Speaker 3: The segment's earnings for the quarter were compressed due to lower volumes and absorption of peak material costs, which our pricing did not cover.
Speaker 3: We significantly reduced inventory as we aligned production with demand and benefited from lower energy and material costs.
Speaker 3: Our restructuring actions are on track and will lower our cost in our residential and commercial soft service categories.
Speaker 3: As the market conditions evolve, we are adjusting our manufacturing and sales strategies and reducing inventory with market demand.
Speaker 3: To control costs, we are postponing capital projects.
Speaker 3: and reducing discretionary spending. Our second quarter margin should expand as our input costs improve and plant utilization increases.
Speaker 3: Our first quarter commercial sales remain solid with new construction and remodeling projects continuing in most channels.
Speaker 3: The architectural billing index indicates limited softening in the planning of new commercial projects this year. We are providing exciting flooring options that are carbon neutral with superior features to deliver greater value for the desiring green alternatives.
Speaker 3: Developed in partnership with disabled and disadvantaged artists, our new artlifting collections fashionable designs are quickly gaining traction in the market. The commercial flooring accessories acquisition we completed last year has complemented our product offering and benefited our business.
Speaker 3: Sales of residential soft surfaces decline more than other categories as retailers reduced inventory due to weaker consumer discretionary spending and the slowing housing market.
Speaker 3: The multi-family business remains the strongest category in residential and we are expanding our participation in this channel.
Speaker 3: Retailers have responded positively to our new product launches, including EverStrand polyester collections at accessible price points and our proprietary SmartStrand silk collections that provide superior softness and design.
Speaker 3: The new merchandising systems for our new carpet collections are being well accepted by our customers. In the quarter, we enhanced our LBT collections with higher value introductions featuring our WebProtect and antimicrobial technologies.
Speaker 3: We're seeing a more competitive market as the industry slows and ocean freight costs decline.
Speaker 3: Imports from Asia are being interrupted as the US requires proof of compliance with the Forced Labor Protection Act. It is still too early to determine the disruption this legislation will create.
Speaker 3: Cheap vinyl sales are outperforming as consumers seek more budget-oriented options. Our West Coast LVT plant is continuing to ramp up and our production will expand as we move through the year.
Speaker 3: During the quarter, our laminate sales in retail expanded with its increased acceptance as a waterproof alternative. Volumes in other channels are declining as consumers deferred remodeling projects and our customers reduced their inventory levels. We expect our Revwood collections to continue taking share due to their realistic...
Speaker 3: declining, which will help us recover the inflation that impacted our margins.
Speaker 3: Now, I'll return the call to Jeff for his closing remarks. Thanks, Chris. Our industry is operating in a completely different environment than a year ago. Around the world, central banks are raising interest rates to slow their economies and reduce inflation.
Speaker 3: These actions lower our industry volume as new home sales and residential remodeling are postponed. The commercial sector has remained stronger than residential, though higher interest rates and tighter lending requirements could affect business investments as the year progresses. We're maximizing our sales and distribution by focusing on
Speaker 3: better performing channels, introducing differentiated products, and providing enhanced service and value.
Speaker 3: We are proactively managing our spending and cost structures to optimize our results. We anticipate that industry volume and pricing will remain under pressure across our markets. We expect seasonal improvement in demand along with reduced energy and material costs to improve our future results.
Speaker 3: Given these factors, we anticipate our second quarter adjusted EPS to be between 256 and 266.
Speaker 3: excluding any restructuring, acquisition, and other charges.
Speaker 3: This industry downturn is unique with employment remaining high, businesses continuing to invest, and homes maintaining their valuations. We are conservatively managing the near term while we invest in a long term growth through product innovation, capacity expansions, and acquisitions.
Speaker 3: Our strong balance sheet enables us to navigate the current downturn as we prepare for the industry rebound that follows. Longer term, all of our regions require the updating of aging homes and significant new home construction to satisfy market needs. With our strength across regions, markets and products, we are committed to improving
Speaker 3: We anticipate capturing increased opportunities when the recovery occurs in the housing market and the economy.
Speaker 3: We anticipate capturing increased opportunities when the recovery occurs in the housing market and the economy. We'll now be glad to take your questions.
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Speaker 1: The first question comes from Joe Owlsmeyer with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning and congrats on the Solid Start to the year.
Speaker 4: on the Solid Start to the year. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Jeff, the headwinds impacting results and the reasons to continue to be cautious as we go forward here, those reasons are well understood. Even as we look to make our own predictions about your business, it's probably not fair to expect you to make any definitive predictions beyond what you've given us in the guidance for the upcoming quarter.
Speaker 4: You've also said in the past that managing the business as it's emerged from contractions gives you the confidence that it will recover. But that also means you're probably among the best position to help investors conceptualize those scenarios realistically.
Speaker 4: So, especially since you've no doubt contemplated this as you've taken actions to position your business, and you touched on this a bit in your conclusion to your prepared remarks there, my first question simply without necessarily getting into when specifically we see a recovery.
Speaker 4: Can you just offer some thoughts on how that might realistically manifest, maybe by category or end market or geography?
Speaker 3: When you go through a cycle, our industry always goes through a similar direction. Going into the cycle, the first thing that slows down is the residential remodeling because the consumers can immediately postpone it. It's followed by the new housing construction and then...
Speaker 3: by the commercial businesses that take longer to execute. When you come out of the cycle, it comes out in the same order for the same reason. So the remodeling piece should pick up first and do better.
Speaker 3: This cycle is not typical of the other cycles. Historically, by this point, employment would be down significantly and it still remains strong. You have wages are still increasing.
Speaker 3: We have housing is in short supply and mortgage rates are limiting people to move.
Speaker 3: These things, combined with aging homes and higher home values, should support more remodeling and commercial projects continue to be initiated.
Speaker 3: So when you take all this together, we're expecting the rebound on the other side to be stronger and faster.
Speaker 3: then it has in past cycles because we're not under the same compression that we've been in these areas we just discussed.
Speaker 4: Jim, we have discussed in the past the tradeoffs in running the business with respect to choices you make around price, cost, market share, production, and inventory levels.
Speaker 4: And that it's probably unrealistic actually to assume that as the industry recovers, you'd face earnings headwinds from all of these things at once. And so without making this a specific question about your volumes or price cost relationship in any one quarter, particularly beyond the next quarter, are you able to give investors any guardrails around Mohawk's annual?
Speaker 2: the relationship between materials, energy, and pricing, as you alluded to. If you think about it, the cost really started to gradually fall for us late in 2022, and it takes anywhere from three to six months for it to flow through the P&L.
Speaker 2: What we would expect in 2023 is that inflation to become a more kind of declining headwind and become a benefit in the second half with price and mix weakening with more competition from lower industry volumes.
Speaker 2: Volume itself, it was interesting in the first quarter, it was lower against some very, very strong comps in the prior year with pricing lighting and inflation. The other point is, as we had indicated, we did not build inventory as normal.
Speaker 2: So some of the shutdowns compressed our margins, though it improved sequentially. In the second quarter, we would anticipate higher production and fewer shutdowns. And as I said before, all the details of this certainly will be in our 10Q in terms of the bridge items. Thanks for coming!
Speaker 2: But also one other point would be around the growth investments. Our current expansion projects...
Speaker 2: We are focused on future sales opportunities and capacity constraints, very focused on laminate, LVT, quartz countertops, ceramics labs and our insulation businesses. We are postponing other investments until visibility improves.
Speaker 2: But these investments should really set us up along with their acquisitions to help our business in 24 and beyond.
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate all the details guys. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. Our next question comes from Tim Woz with Baird. Please go ahead. Hey everybody. Good, I think it's still morning. Good morning. Maybe just the first question I had as you kind of think about energy prices.
Speaker 1: How would you expect that to kind of mechanically kind of work through the P&L? I would imagine maybe you get some benefit early and then pricing kind of starts to react to that. But how quickly do you think pricing reacts to energy prices? I mean is it pretty immediate or do you think it's more like...
Speaker 2: what you would see with oil-based inputs in like, Florida and North America, for example? Well, as I just know with Joe, it takes some time for it to flow through the P&L. So, sequentially, if you think about that, you would see improvement from, you know, we saw some from Q4 to Q1.
Speaker 2: on input cost. I would expect from Q1 to Q2 for that to be even stronger because of flooring North America having to absorb in the first quarter most of that peak material cost. So that's raw materials, but obviously we also have energy in there as well in the inflation.
Speaker 2: So from Q1 to Q2 you would see that improvement, but the pricing in mix would continue to be under pressure as competition steps up, especially with the lower industry volumes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so is it fair to say it would kind of be like normal input cost? We just haven't seen this type of energy inflation before, so that's what I'm trying to ask. Even though it's down, I would expect you'll see some, you saw the headwinds and Q1, and then from a year-over-year perspective, in Q2, it would get better.
Speaker 1: If it stays on trajectory it is right now, from a year over year perspective, that energy should turn to a tailwind in the back half of the year. Okay. Okay, good. And then on price mix, just kind of holding up better than you thought in the quarter, do you think that's due to the overall consumer not trading down as much as maybe?
Speaker 3: and take everything into account. So we were a little more conservative than it turned out. There's still continued pressure on pricing and mix. Lower volumes in the industry always drives people trying to run their assets, including us. We expect that.
Speaker 3: in this environment to continue to have more competition and promotions. But the input costs are going to decline and with that we're really expecting as we go through the next quarter or two for some of that to get passed through and lower pricing by the industry.
Speaker 2: And don't forget also you were seeing falling ocean freight, which is reducing the cost of imports to the US, so the weaker dollar certainly will partially offset. Okay, okay. Appreciate the color, guys. Good luck on Q2. Thank you. Our next question comes from Susan.
Speaker 3: mclary with goldman sachs please go ahead thank you good morning everyone good morning
Speaker 5: My first question is, appreciating that you've got limited visibility to the second half, but can you talk contextually about how you're thinking about the operating environment as it relates to housing activity, R&R, commercial, and then even maybe the US versus Europe ? And are you still expecting that we will see more normal seasonality as we move through the balance of this year?
Speaker 3: and we're anticipating commercial slowing down somewhat. With the same thing as we just talked about, we're expecting the price and mix to continue to be under pressure with plant utilization improving from the first quarter, which was low.
Speaker 3: In Europe , most people believe that the demand, the consumer demand could increase because these high energy costs were such an impact to people. And second is in Europe , the wages are rising at a higher rate than they are in the United States. When you look through the normal seasonality, remember the third quarter, the second quarter
Speaker 3: is always affected outside the United States by vacations and then we're assuming the normal seasonal decline as we go through the year.
Speaker 3: A little longer term, you know, we expect the recovery when we rebound from it. You know, our industry, you postpone purchases, you don't lose them. And so during this time that it's going to be down, we're expecting those to create a significant upturn on the other side as it always does.
Speaker 3: In this time, right now, we're investing more in growth investments, which we haven't done in prior cycles, which should put us in a better position when we come out. The new acquisition should also be helping us a year from then. Okay. That's helpful. Then focusing in on the flooring North America segment, obviously that's been under pressure recently just given the reduced...
Speaker 3: Well, the segment was impacted more with the oil and energy costs than the other businesses, which impacted the material costs all through it. We were still...
Speaker 3: We raised the inventories trying to catch up to help people in the first half of the last year. We came out with high inventories and we never anticipated the thing collapsing like it did. The pricing is leading the pricing. We've never recovered the total price at the peak. Then the promotions and things are causing the pricing to flow through faster than theatic P
Speaker 3: material costs are flowing through in the first quarter, we're expecting to see that turn in the second quarter as the margins expand will help. And then in most of the categories we're expecting the margin, the cost decreases to help us recover the margin we didn't cover in a lot of the categories in the fall of last year.
Speaker 3: So the margins should increase as we go through and we're expecting all the businesses to do better the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: should increase as we go through and we're expecting all the businesses to do better the rest of the year. Okay, thank you. Good luck.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Susan. The next question comes from John Lavallo with UBS. Please go ahead. Good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my questions as well here. The first one on SG&A was a little bit higher than we were looking for in the quarter, and I think you guys noted a few items, including higher employee expense and some investment spend.
Speaker 3: the inventories were low, we were having trouble getting materials, we were hitting limitations with employees, so we went into the first quarter of last year with low inventories and our customers also had low inventories, so we didn't put out as many new products, we didn't spend as much in marketing and merchandising.
Speaker 3: So this year we're going back to a more normal level. It's always heavier in the first quarter and then we expect it to come down as we go through the year. We're putting investments in new merchandising and product categories across the businesses, trying to upgrade the product and mix and maximize the
Speaker 2: the opportunities that are here in the environment that we're in. We're also doing that with balancing the administrative side and trying to control that cost, making sure that we emphasize the selling and the marketing aspects as we go forward. Makes sense. Okay, thank you. And then just on the commercial...
Speaker 3: on the commercial side in Mohawk's business? There is some slight slowing in the category, but it's still doing reasonably well. Hospitality is outperforming the other categories. You have healthcare and education are still strong, but the cycle, there's other categories that aren't performing as well.
Speaker 3: We, like you, are looking at the architectural billing index and we see some weakening in it, so we're assuming that it's going to weaken with lower investments as we enter the second half of the year, but we'll have to see.
Speaker 2: Make sense. Thank you, usour. Next question comes from Stephen Kim, with ever core ifi, Please go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much guys. I believe you mentioned in the multifamily business, or in the FNA business that you were sort of leaning into multifamily increasing your participation there. I was curious if you could describe what kind of actions you are taking there. And then related to that, multifamily completions are really lagging multifamily starts and the pipeline is still growing.
Speaker 2: it appears from the national numbers. So I think your products tend to go in later, closer to completion. So does that mean that the surge in demand from this multifamily category is still ahead of you? If you can sort of talk about how you see the shape of demand there ahead of you.
Speaker 3: Usually, you go into cycles, the multifamily will slow down as well and then people start having to move around as jobs get harder. We haven't seen that here. What you have is the multifamily, the vacancy rates are still reasonably low. You still have more completions coming in.
Speaker 2: and we are trying to maximize our share in what we think is going to be one of the stronger parts of the business this year. James? Right. Any specific kind of actions, are you increasing your sales force? Have you made any other kind of changes that you could describe that would provide a little color around that?
Speaker 3: In the multifamily side, they tend to have lower value products because they're trying to control the cost of the rentals. So we have a broad selection in carpet, LVT, and laminate that are all going into the category and.
Speaker 3: as well as sheet vinyl. And we're not doing much different with the products because we've always had a broad offering to satisfy it. We're just being more aggressive in our selling.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. And then secondly, you've been pretty active on the acquisition front, not so much the big ones, although I know you just bought Vitrimix and Elizabeth it looks like. It looks like they are closing in one queue. So a couple of questions regarding acquisitions, first of all, I think Vitrimix and Elizabeth, you said $425 million in annual sales.
Speaker 2: In the first quarter, you're right, we closed on Vitrimix and Elizabeth. Purchase price is just over $500 million combined. If you step back, we did about five bolt-on acquisitions last year in 2022 plus two.
Speaker 2: The ceramic acquisitions that we just completed, the frame it from a sales perspective should be in the $600 million range on an annual basis given normal conditions. Obviously, the markets are a little bit tighter in Brazil and Mexico like they are in other geographies.
Speaker 2: What we gave you was their sales from the prior year. Gotcha. And that's excluding Vitrimix and Elizabeth's 425, right, in that 600? Yes. All in, it's a little over $600 million. There were small acquisitions, but...
Speaker 2: and some of the sales are also included in last year. Right. Okay. Thanks very much, guys. Our next question comes from Keith.
Speaker 6: Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead. Thank you. You had said in the prepared comments, taking less down production days in the second quarter versus the first. Is that just a function of seasonality or do you have inventories kind of where demand is and that's not quite as necessary in the second quarter?
Speaker 3: A combination of everything. First is that we did take some inventories down. The second is we expected we had...
Speaker 3: expect a improvement from seasonal improvements from one or the other so were there less shutdowns across the business all over.
Speaker 6: Okay, and one other question you had said in answer to another question. In the second half of the year, energy turning, I think you said energy turning in your favor. I just want to make sure you're talking about energy or are you talking about energy and input costs? This is the first question I have.
Speaker 2: I was speaking about the question, Keith, was on energy. That was the comment on energy.
Speaker 2: What's your view on raw material cost? Is that something where we could see some deceleration in the second half of the year? In total, if you take energy and raw materials, again, that should be a declining headwind as you go through Q1 to Q2 and becoming a benefit in the second half of the year.
Speaker 2: And that's also leading to some price mix weakening as well, you know, with competition with lower input cost and volumes being lower. Okay. Thank you.
Speaker 2: My next question comes from Michael Rehat with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. First, I just wanted to thank you for being here today.
Speaker 7: possible get a little bit of quantification on how you're thinking about the incremental benefit from
Speaker 7: on how you're thinking about the incremental benefit from
Speaker 7: lower energy costs in 2Q itself and you talked about it turning into a tailwind in the back half so you know how much do you expect energy costs you know if you kind of quantify it would benefit margins in 2Q vs 1Q
Speaker 7: and incrementally, what would flow through further into the back half. Well, sequentially is what I think you're asking. From Q1 to Q2, what would flow through further into the back half?
Speaker 2: The savings of the lower cost energy will pick up from the prior quarter. So it should become, sequentially, it will be a benefit in the second quarter compared to the first quarter. And I appreciate that. Is there any way to quantify that benefit?
Speaker 2: You'll see that detailed later today. So I would expect that total inflation from a year-over-year perspective to be significantly lower than that in the second quarter.
Speaker 7: Okay, and then maybe just on the restructuring benefits, also any way to quantify how you're thinking about the dollars.
Speaker 7: in terms of benefits in 2023 and where we are in terms of the percentage realization of that. The next Consideration of pans to future market thank you.
Speaker 7: you know, in the second quarter, what you expect to have in the second quarter versus by year end?
Speaker 2: So we have, to step back, we've announced the two restructuring plans really last year. The total cost is somewhere between 135 and 140 million dollars. Only about 25 million of that is cash. So we're gonna save a little bit over probably 60 million dollars annually.
Speaker 2: That will be ramping up as you go through this year. Most of the savings for Florida, North America, the actions are on track and you'll see that in the Florida North American results.
Speaker 2: as you go Q2 and Q3 to the end of the year. The actions in flooring the rest of the world, which are really around phasing out our residential flexible LVT and turning that in, concentrating on rigid... has Iron styles. We talked about it other than JRaway...
Speaker 7: That will take a little bit longer as you go through 2023. Okay. One last quick one if I could squeeze it in. As you look at the sales patterns for the rest of the year, given that you have easier comps in…
Speaker 7: each of the next three quarters, if you were to take current sales patterns today or sales trends today, would you expect first quarter's 7% decline to lessen and potentially even turn positive as you get to the fourth quarter?
Speaker 2: It depends whether you're looking sequentially or year over year. Last year you had it slowed down, so as we go through the year, year over year, the volume will improve as you go through the year with the comparisons. We have an easier, very difficult comp in the first half of the year, and then that will become a little bit...
Speaker 2: easier as you get to the back half of the year. So you would see those, you would assume if we stay where we are in terms of recovery, that those percentages would decrease, the difference would decrease as you go through the back half of the year. Let me share with you what is new as far as, in terms of recovery.
Speaker 2: get to the back half of the year. So you would see those, you would assume if we stay where we are in terms of recovery, that those percentages would decrease, the difference would decrease as you go through the back half of the year. Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Our next question comes from Adam Baumgartner with Zelman. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning everyone. I believe you guys talked about some European ceramic competitors shutting down production when natural gas prices were spiking. Have you seen those competitors re-enter the market at this point?
Speaker 2: Our next question comes from Adam Baumgartner with Zelman. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning everyone. I believe you guys talked about some European ceramic competitors shutting down production when natural gas prices were spiking. Have you seen those competitors re-enter the market at this point? The gas prices have declined substantially.
Speaker 3: Each of the competitors have different purchasing strategies, so I don't know exactly where the costs are today and when they purchase the gas prices.
Speaker 3: But Europe , the market's still under pressure because the demand from the
Speaker 3: consumers is significantly down. Chris, you want to add some more? Well, I would say especially those competitors that were producing at the low end, pricing at the low end, Spain, other places have been under particular pressure with the natural gas.
Speaker 2: And yes, there have been a few competitors that have fallen out of the market, but we don't have really good visibility on that. None of the major ones have gone out. It would be smaller ones.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. Thanks. And then just on LBT, just given some of the declines you guys talked about on imported product, maybe just if you could help us walk through your cost competitiveness of the US and Mexico capacity that you guys are now bringing up.
Speaker 3: Well, on the LVT, we have a broad offering for both residential and commercial, and all price points are rigid and flexible. And our local production is valued for faster, more consistent service. We're improving our operations and differentiating it with features. And our West Coast plant efficiencies will increase over time.
Speaker 3: An overall market is resetting prices with the materials and freight costs moving.
Speaker 3: There's still significant inventory in the channels. And then right at the moment there's this thing we talked about, about the US government stopping some shipments impacting service and it's really difficult to tell what impact that's going to have on the supply and the marketplace today.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it, thanks. Best of luck. Thank you, Ed. The next question comes from Mike Dale with RBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my question. Just as a follow up to that around this import dynamic, I know it's tough to tell how it could resolve, but in terms of what's currently sitting at ports, is there any way you can quantify how much supply has currently been stopped?
Speaker 6: from coming into the domestic market and then do you have any insight on whether this issue has significantly stemmed the flow of ships on the water you know making their way to the US at this point.
Speaker 3: The only thing I can tell you is one of the largest suppliers in the United States, all his products have been stopped. The question, what we don't know is how many others are going to be impacted. The reverse side is we don't know what it will take to get them released and come back in.
Speaker 3: You're really just at the start of it and we're going to have to see what happens with the government.
Speaker 6: Okay, got it. And then as a follow up to kind of the price.
Speaker 6: I mean, you mentioned that price mix came in better than you guys had forecast during the quarter. I'm wondering, as you went through the quarter, have you seen price mix?
Speaker 6: evolved in a way that was closer to your expectations, i.e. you have referenced still seeing some pressure. So are you seeing the pressures that you initially expected now coming through or is it still better than you expected? And if I could kind of...
Speaker 6: add a second part to that question in response to Mike's question around volumes. You know, presumably the price mix comp will get worse as the year progresses even as the volume comp gets better. So from a total revenue standpoint, just you know, should we think that the times in total revenues also get better or...
Speaker 3: or does the worsening price mix offset the easier volume cost? I'll see how to answer that one. First is our expectations coming in. We didn't know how much the channel inventories were declined and how much more they were going to decline. Then the other part with pricing and mix, it was a combination of both. It wasn't as depressed as we expected it to be. The pricing and mix.
Speaker 3: is getting more difficult as you have these low volumes and depending upon which category you're in, as you would suspect where you have really high capital investments, people try to keep running the investments and that pushes the prices down. You have more competition and promotions coming on as the input costs decline and then you have the mismatch between the flow through of inventory and the pricing that happens to us.
Speaker 3: So, we're trying to estimate all those things at the same time. That's the bottom line. If you're talking just the sales line, then you also have the improvement in comps in terms of volume, which will help, as well as the acquisitions we described. So, those help on the top line.
Speaker 3: Most people in Europe are expecting that due to the substantial decline in energy...
Speaker 3: that the consumers have pulled back dramatically because of the cost of heating, heating their homes and the use of energy over there got so high. They're expecting that the demand is going to improve as we go through the year and we are too.
Speaker 3: consumers have pulled back dramatically because of the cost of heating, heating their homes and the use of energy over there got so high. They're expecting that the demand's going to improve as we go through the year and we are too.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. Our next question comes from Eric Bossard with Cleveland Research. Please go ahead. Thanks, two things. First of all, Jeff, I think you made a comment that you had a more favorable view on North American remodel activity in the second half. I just want to clarify, did I hear that right and what are you seeing that
Speaker 3: supports that viewpoint. We just thought that the postponement of projects had gotten really significant at this time, that people aren't moving as much as they normally do, and that they're not moving as much as they normally do. So, we just thought that the postponement of projects had gotten really significant at this time, that people aren't moving as much as they normally do,
Speaker 3: they may be getting more comfortable with the interest rate, so we just thought it was at a depressed level and we...
Speaker 3: In our things, we're assuming there's going to be some relief as we go through the year, but we'll have to see.
Speaker 3: And I would just add to that that the activity in the Daltow Health Service Centers has been higher and the comment would be that the people coming in are very serious about getting projects done.
Speaker 3: And probably one last thing, Eric, as Jeff said earlier, this cycle is a little bit different with the employment remaining strong, wages increasing, and housing obviously remaining in short supply and people staying in their homes.
Speaker 2: As they get more comfortable from a consumer confidence standpoint, if that evolves, then they would come back to the remodeling. Okay. Then secondly, the guidance from 90 days ago, you ended up doing 40 cents better, and it sounds like it was.
Speaker 2: price mix was better than your assumption. As you look into this next 90 days, and Jeff, I guess we all appreciate your comment on predicting the future is not that easy, but in terms of how you've made this assumption with the 2Q guidance relative to the 1Q.
Speaker 3: Have you considered price mix differently, or is it a similar conservative price mix viewpoint that you had for OneQ? The OneQ, the question was, how much was the inventory in the channels going to change also? We are assuming at this point that most of the inventory in the channels are aligned around the world. We're expecting that. Again, we're expecting the...
Speaker 8: Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Our next question comes from Truman Patterson with Wolf Research. Please go ahead. Young likes the firstbors are natural Bonnie City used toaine
Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First on Rest of World, margins inflected pretty nicely from 4Q. You mentioned some increased promotion to help your sales activity there, maybe a bit better consumer trends in Europe and you reduce costs.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that a lot of that you're also doing in North America. I'm just hoping you can give us a little bit more color on the rest of world margin inflection. Yes, so in Q1, our margin expanded from Q4 with seasonal growth. We had fewer shutdowns. We had lower energy and a green production.
Speaker 2: Our pricing and mix were a little better than we expected. Going forward, we anticipate greater competitive pressures as the input costs decline, but we're implementing selective promotions. We're doing a lot to control our costs, and we're also doing some restructuring. Okay, perfect. And then Jeff.
Speaker 9: Not necessarily, you know, looking for guidance here. Always, you know, enjoy getting your kind of big picture view on the cycle and everything. I'm just hoping you can help us think through 2024, how that might trend, you know, primarily on the residential side. You know, do you think we're kind of in the eye of the storm, you know, here in 2023 with the volume declines.
Speaker 9: and you're expecting or positioning the company for some improvement in 24 volumes. I'm just trying to see where your head's at here because clearly there's a lot of moving parts with inflation, you know, war in Europe , but there's still...
Speaker 9: you know, pretty healthy job and wage, job growth and wage gains right now. So just want to kind of wrap my head around that. What was, I guess, multiple parts. One is
Speaker 3: But you know as well as I do there's different views on what's going to happen with economy. One is that the economy is going to slow down and that the Fed's going to start lowering rates at the end of the year, the first to next year, and start the improvement in the whole housing cycle. The second says it's going to take longer.
Speaker 3: increases substantially in the first two years coming out of a downturn because of this.
Speaker 3: We've been in a downturn now for close to nine months, and the rest of the economy hasn't reacted as much. We're in a...
Speaker 3: industry that is really affected by interest rates as people postpone things. So we're looking that when it does occur that it's going to be greater than normal. We are investing in the categories that are the highest growth categories and constrained growths and we expect to get benefit out of all those as it comes up. Perfect.
Speaker 9: follow up there on the RESI RNR side. In your view, the typical downturn a year or two years normally? Typically, they go from 12 to 18 months. It's the general range. Some go longer and shorter. For more information, visit www.resi.gov
Speaker 2: Perfect, thank you all, appreciate it. Thanks Jeremy. Our next question comes from Phil Ng with Jefferies. Jefferies, please go ahead.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, thanks for squeezing in. Jeff, your comments on demand feel like things have bottomed out here and generally more upbeat about the back half. When you think about the recovery within your end markets, products or regions, do you have a view where you think things could potentially pick up faster?
Speaker 2: And then from a pricing standpoint, any markets in particular that you have more concerns about prices will fall a little more significantly.
Speaker 3: Europe was so impacted by energy costs, which they're still double what they were before we started. But if you go back to five months ago, they were 10, 12 times where we started. So the energy impact on Europe has been dramatic....how to figure that in with the war and what's going on...
Speaker 3: It's hard to guess. The other side that's different, we're seeing in Europe , the increase in wages is generally higher than the US. There's some countries that we know the wages are going up 10% or more. So as the wages increase, there are some countries where the wages are going up 10% or more.
Speaker 3: It's possible that they have less impact on their consumption, and we're assuming that it's going to get better as we go through this year.
Speaker 3: impact on their consumption. And we're assuming that it's going to get better as we go through this year.
Speaker 3: All the other markets, they've all gone through a similar downturn. The interest rates are being raised everywhere. The as in every market, the residential fell off substantially in all of them and the commercial is trailing. Some of the areas like Mexico, the economy's held up better.
Speaker 3: There's things moving in, you know, as we have problems with China. So the Mexican market's doing better. The Brazilian market, for instance, turned down later.
Speaker 3: But it turned down later and in our marketplace, the last quarter there's been huge changes in the inventories in the channel as we go through it. So each one's different, but it looks like the whole world's more interconnected and they're more closely aligned than they have been in the past 20, 30 years.
Speaker 2: Any markets where you see more pricing pressure? There's pricing pressure in all of them. There's the markets.
Speaker 3: Again, as the markets slow down, all of us where we have large capital investments try to find ways to minimize the unabsorbed overhead. Typically, we pass through the decreases and work on lower margins in prior cycles. I don't see it being any different this one. Got it.
Speaker 2: What's driving some of the relative strength? You see that business holding up pretty good from here on out. Pricing in particular has been strong. You've had a nice pricing umbrella from inflation. Now that energy prices and ocean freight container prices have come down, how are you thinking about competition or pricing pressure from imports on the ceramic side of things?
Speaker 3: Well, on the ceramic side, we have performed better than our other ceramic markets in the US, one due to a greater mix of commercial. Our domestic production has been reliable or is reliable more than the imported alternatives, and that's helped us. We've developed premium collections that have been used versus Italian imports, and we're increasing our focus on the multifamily exteriors, kitchen, and bath channels.
Speaker 3: and we're also enhancing our commercial and builder markets with curated collections. Having said that, the imported ceramic prices are decreasing with freight, which has partially been offset by weakening dollar. We do have more of our sales in the mid-high segment, which has insulated us a little.
Speaker 2: But no doubt it'll be under pressure as we go through the year with imports coming down. Okay, thanks for calling guys. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Rafe Jedrosich with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker 2: Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to just follow up on some of the comments on the import restrictions on LBT from China. Can you remind us sort of your exposure to Chinese imports on the LBT side? Maybe how does that compare to competitors?Wanna cooperate with China's domestic debut?
Speaker 2: And just given your higher domestic production, if there are additional restrictions, is there a share gain or pricing opportunity there?
Speaker 3: Our imports from China are fairly limited, but it's affecting not only the local producers, they've extended this thing back to the raw materials, and some of the surrounding countries use raw materials out of China, and that's also causing the problem with supply outside of China....
Speaker 2: commercial slowing today, when would we actually expect that to have an impact on your revenue?
Speaker 10: Well, from a percentage basis, it runs different by segment. We have more commercial exposure in global ceramics, especially in the US that could have over 35% or so of its business in ceramic.
Speaker 10: or excuse me, in ceramic being in commercial in the US. And then in flooring North America, it would be the next largest with limited exposure in flooring the rest of the world.
Speaker 3: The commercial sales typically fall off later because, and it depends on which project, they can take anywhere from 12 months to three years to complete. So all these different projects that started, it tends not to fall off for at least about a year after residential starts falling off.
Speaker 3: And this one's different because you have really sectors in the commercial business that are still going up. You know, like the hospitality pieces, so it's really an unusual environment.
Speaker 2: That's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference over to Jeff Lorbon for any closing remarks.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. We appreciate all of you joining us. We're navigating the current environment and we're investing to optimize our results when the economy improves. Thank you for joining us. Have a good day.
Speaker 2: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.