Q1 Werner Enterprises Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: our Derek Leathers, Chairman, President and CEO , John Steele, retiring CFO , Chris Wycoff, recently appointed CFO , and Chris Neal SVP of pricing and strategic planning.
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Speaker 2: I would now like to tongue the call over to Chris Neal. Please go ahead.
Speaker 2: Earlier today, we issued our earnings release with our first quarter results. The release and a supplemental presentation are available in the Investor section of our website at 1er.com.
Speaker 2: Today's webcast is being recorded and will be available for replay later this evening. Please see the disclosure statement on slide two of the presentation, as well as the disclaimers in our earnings release related to forward-looking statements. Today's remarks contain forward-looking statements that may involve risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. The company reports results using non-GAAP measures, which we believe provides additional information for investors to help facilitate the comparison of past and present performance.
Speaker 2: A reconciliation of the most directly comparable GAT measures is included in the table attached to the earnings release and in the appendix of the slide presentation.
Speaker 2: Now I would like to turn the conference over to Derek. Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon. On our fourth quarter earnings call, we shared our expectation that freight conditions in the first half of 2023 would be challenging and competitive. We anticipated first quarter freight would be soft due to seasonality, inventory destocking, and the impact of the Fed's monetary policies to control cost inflation.
Speaker 2: Over the last several years, we built a business model designed to perform better in both good and less desirable freight markets. Our large, indurable, dedicated fleet, nerd-aversified one-way truckload business, and our growing and increasingly diversified logistics segment, provide us with a more resilient portfolio of complementary services and industry verticals. Over this period, we grew our dedicated one-way business in a very difficult operating environment, which along with contributions from recent acquisitions contributed to 9% year-over-year revenue growth.
Speaker 2: I want to sincerely thank the 14,000 plus talented Warner team members for staying true to our core values and delivering on our unrelenting strategy to safely provide superior service to our customers. Now let's move to slide three. I'm delighted to formally introduce and welcome our new CFL, Chris Wykov.
Speaker 2: After an extensive search process over the last several months, we hired our top candidate. Chris joined Warner two weeks ago and is hit the ground running. Chris is the right CFO for Warner at this exciting time in our history. He's an accomplished and strategic financial leader with over 20 years of corporate finance and business transformation experience, with large public and private companies in the technology and telecommunications industries.
Speaker 2: Chris shares our company values and he brings to order a growth mindset and in each skill set in technology operational processes, a treasury, capital markets, M&A and investor relations.
Speaker 2: We expect a smooth CFO transition as our retiring CFO John Steele, Chris Neal, and our entire leadership team working closely with Chris in his new role. Welcome aboard Chris.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Derek. Great to be here and to be part of the Warner team. Coming into the role, I was highly optimistic about the strengths of Warner, including deep management experience, significant reach and a scale of one of the largest truckload carriers in North America. Warner has a history of operational excellence, a strong balance sheet and steady growth and results.
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying working with John during this time and I appreciate his commitment and partnership in the final mile of his legendary career. Over the past two weeks of assimilating into Werner, I've been listening, learning, and meeting with associates and leadership across the organization. I'm gaining greater understanding of the business operations, industry, and clients, as well as increasing familiarity with the financial performance, outlook of the business, and opportunities in the markets and verticals where we compete. I look forward in the coming weeks and months to engage with many of you in the investor community while further establishing a rapport and cadence with the Werner associates and business leaders. With that, I'll turn the presentation back to Derek to cover our first quarter financial highlights.
Speaker 2: Thanks, let's move to slide 5. In first quarter, revenues increased 9%. Adjust the DPS decrease 37% to 60%.
Speaker 2: Adjusted TTS operating margin for the quarter was 10.7%. For the last 12 months, our adjusted TTS operating margin was 13.8%. Dedicated freight demand in first quarter was solid and steady, in line with our expectations. Sequentially, our dedicated fleet declined by 105 trucks. A few dedicated customers adapted to lower demand this quarter by slightly reducing fleet size within the parameters of our contract terms. An implementation for a few expected new dedicated fleets have been extended, which flowed our dedicated fleet additions during the quarter. A year ago, freight was unusually strong for both one-way truckload and logistics.
Speaker 2: We entered the quarter with 8,475 trucks down 125 sequentially and up 250 year-over-year. Revenues were 833 million, with 71% in TTS and 27% in logistics. Three quarters of our revenue base comes from retail and food and beverage, with customers winning in their verticals. We intentionally focused on growing companies that ship recurring and repeatable consumer central products, with workers on time delivery requirements. We did not plan to grow our fleet in second quarter. We plan to grow dedicated in the second half of the year. Turning the slide 8.
Speaker 2: Warner is one of the four largest dedicated providers in the US. We serve customers with extremely high service and safety requirements.
Speaker 2: which are not easily replicated by our competition. Our typical dedicated fleet consists of shorter lethal off rate, serving local and regional geographic markets. The superior consistency and reliability of our dedicated on-time service product provides our customers with high predictability for their inventory to help them avoid out of stock surprises. Dedicated is steadily grown over the last 13 plus years.
Speaker 2: with a customer annual retention rate of over 95%. During this period, we added over 2200 trucks, growing our dedicated share total TTS trucks by 17 percentage points.
Speaker 2: Nearly two-thirds of dedicated is retail and two-thirds of that business is with discount retailers. Discount retail performs better in recessionary economies when shoppers have less discretionary income spend and as they look to trade down for value. Conversations with customers and consumer competence numbers indicate we are seeing a more focused approach to discretionary spending. Another 16% of dedicated revenues are with food and beverage companies that ship consumer staples. Historically, this segment is more recession proof than discretionary products.
Speaker 2: Because of the high service requirements and relatively consistent freight volumes, dedicated revenue for truck is less variability.
Speaker 2: Because of the high service requirements and relatively consistent pray volumes, dedicated revenue for truck has less variability. Revenue for truck has increased eight of the last nine years.
Speaker 2: During first quarter, dedicated revenue per truck increased 4.6% year over year.
Speaker 2: Turn in to slide 9 for an update on our growing logistics segment.
Speaker 2: With the acquisition of RETMS, logistics last November , our asset light logistics freight revenue is grew in first quarter by 40 million to 229 million and has a combined pro forma annual revenue run rate of nearly 1 billion.
Speaker 2: Read TMS as expertise in the food and beverage verticals.
Speaker 2: The addition of this business in our logistics segment expanded our diversity for temperature-controlled freight and aided in growing our refrigerated truckload logistics business from 7% of revenues in 2022 to 21% of revenues in Q1.
Speaker 2: The integration of ReadTMS and Warner brokerage is on track. We are making significant progress with systems integration, automation, and procurement savings and we remain on pace to meet our center gene savings goals that we identified prior to making the acquisition.
Speaker 2: These synergies were offset in Q1 as early integration costs were observed.
Speaker 2: Turning to slide 10 for a deeper dive on our first quarter results, total revenues grew 9% driven by 4% growth in average trucks, slightly higher revenue per truck, an $8 million increase in fuel surcharges and logistics revenue growth. As mentioned earlier, the soft freight market in first quarter was a significant headwind, compared to an unusually strong market the same period a year ago. At this time, I'd like to turn the presentation over to John who will discuss our segment results. John .
Speaker 3: Thank you, Derek. On slide 11 are the truck load transportation services results. TTS revenues increase by percent and adjusted operating income decreased 31 percent.
Speaker 3: TTS suggested operating margin decline 570 basis points year over year due to increased operating expenses. Our adjusted operating expenses for mile net of fuel increase 7.2 percent compared to our TTS rate for mile net of fuel which increased 0.4 percent. Inflationary pressure is having a more pronounced impact on our margins.
Speaker 3: The largest operating expense increases within TTS were in driver paste, supply the maintenance, and insurance and claims.
Speaker 3: Driver pay for mile increases, continue to moderate and we're up 6% for first quarter.
Speaker 3: Supplies and maintenance expense increased 11 million or 20%. This was caused by higher than expected over the road truck and trailer maintenance and increased tire cost.
Speaker 3: While these costs continue to be inflationary, we have actively taken steps to control our spend and we continue to see signs of cost moderation thus far in second quarter.
Speaker 3: Insurance and claims expense increase 9 million or 33%. We continue to be encouraged by our recent quarterly low and both the number and frequency of claims and our 10-year record low last year for DOT preventable accidents.
Speaker 3: This is driven by our focus on safety, our highly trained experience drivers combined with our investment in the industry's best technology and equipment. That said, we are seeing an elevated cost per claim. We are holding firm on our commitment to safety by continuing to reduce the frequency of claims and being laser focused on claims resolution and claims cost. In first quarter we sold significantly more tractors and trailers.
Speaker 3: at a lower average gain per unit. Gains on sales of revenue equipment were $18 million, a decline of $2 million year over year.
Speaker 3: With the continued decline in spot rates, the shortfall between small carrier operating costs and spot freight rates has grown to over 15%.
Speaker 3: This is leading to carrier failures in greater numbers and will result in an opportunity to focus on yield improvement. Conversely for the use truck and trailer market, we anticipate these trends will gradually lower use truck demand, pricing and equipment gains.
Speaker 3: We are committed to controlling costs and performing within our annual TTS operating margin range of 12 to 17 percent.
Speaker 3: These initiatives include driver recruiting expense, savings from lower driver turnover and SGNA, as well as cost-saving opportunities for fuel efficiency, equipment maintenance, and supplies. Now let's move to first quarter TTS fleet metrics for dedicated and one-way truck load on slide 12.
Speaker 3: Dedicated revenues net of fuel increased 9%. Average trucks increased 4%. Revenue per truck increased 5%.
Speaker 3: One way truckload revenues net a fuel decline 2% due to 3% lower rates and a much softer freight market.
Speaker 3: Average trucks grew 4% due to the Baylor acquisition, and miles per truck declined 3%. Moving to Werner Logistics on slide 13, in first quarter, logistics revenues grew 21% as growth from the November REITMS acquisition offset lower brokerage pricing and intermodal revenues.
Speaker 3: Truckload logistics revenues increased 41 percent, driven by an increase in shipments due to the REIT TMS acquisition and growth in our organic volumes partially offset by a decline in revenue per shipment. Despite a weak freight market in first quarter 2023 compared to the strong market in first quarter 2022, æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ æ ? Chester æí contemporary tiger champion beaten us in one quarter second quarter this a declarations ru spirit ? meet ended at redundancy and the
Speaker 3: Both are Warner and RE TMS truckload logistics units, grew shipment volume year over year.
Speaker 3: Intermodal revenues declined 33% due primarily to a decline in shipments. Final mile revenues increased 12%. First quarter shipments and revenue per shipment were negatively impacted by a more challenging macro for the sale of discretionary products.
Speaker 3: In total, logistics achieved adjusted operating income of $6.4 million with a 2.8% adjusted operating margin down $2.8 million year-over-year.
Speaker 3: Moving to slide 14, we added first quarter in a strong financial position following the closing of our new syndicated credit facility last December .
Speaker 3: We are well positioned with over 500 million of liquidity and a low net debt to EVA DA ratio of 0.9 times.
Speaker 3: The six large commercial banks in our syndicated credit facility all have strong Tier 1 capital ratios and healthy loan-to-deposit ratios.
Speaker 3: On slide 15 is a summary of our cash flow from operations, net capital expenditures, and free cash flow over the past five years.
Speaker 3: Expanded operating margins and less variable net capex resulted in ongoing robust free cash flow generation.
Speaker 3: And in first quarter, we generated $167 million of cash flow from operations and $64 million of free cash flow.
Speaker 3: Turning to slide 16 in our capital allocation framework, our first capital priority continues to be reinvesting in our truck and trailer fleet and enhanced technology.
Speaker 3: New truck deliveries from our OEMs are improving, which helps lower our average truck age.
Speaker 3: Reducing our average age back to two years is a priority, as it reduces our trucks out of warranty and related expense, improves our on-time service, and strengthens driver recruiting and retention. With our fourth quarter acquisitions of Baylor Trucking and Reed TMS logistics, we are currently focused on integration and capturing revenue and cost synergies.
Speaker 3: but remain open for business for the right acquisition opportunity that fits within our strategic, financial, and cultural criteria.
Speaker 3: We will take a balanced capital allocation strategy by maintaining low leverage, returning value to our shareholders, and providing financial flexibility to invest in growth and initiatives to expand our operating margin.
Speaker 3: Next, on Slide 17, we continue to execute our drive strategy as we are building on our durable, resilient, and balanced revenue portfolio. We are committed to a relentless focus on exceptional on-time service that drives long-term value for all stakeholders. Warner is a leader in the logistics industry, focusing on innovation and technology.
Speaker 3: investing in our associates, and progressing on our sustainability journey.
Speaker 3: Here are a few updates. We've deployed our new Warner Edge TMS and Truckload logistics with more of our logistics business units currently in development.
Speaker 3: and we are fine-tuning the platform to leverage real-time insights that drive operational improvements. We have also continued to invest in our new tech stack by deploying and integrating back-office, CRM, and API platforms that improve operations and enhance the customer experience. As evidence of our commitment to safety, in first quarter we achieved a high level of success in the first quarter.
Speaker 3: Coral cohort of PACE, a rotational development leadership program.
Speaker 3: As we work to be good stewards of our environment, auxiliary power units were installed on half of the new tractors placed in service during first quarter, reducing truck engine idle fuel consumption. As we search for new technologies, we received our first 15-liter renewable natural gas truck in April in connection with our partnership with Cummins.
Speaker 3: And this week we began transporting freight with two battery electric vehicles in the Southern California market. That concludes my remarks. I will now turn it back over to Derek.
Speaker 2: Thank you, John . Next on slide 18 is a review of our first quarter performance compared to our guidance and our updated guidance metrics.
Speaker 2: During first quarter, our truck fleet declined 1% as we adapted our fleet size to adjust to freight market conditions. As a result, we lowered our truck growth guidance for the year to negative 2% to 1%.
Speaker 2: We are maintaining our net capex guidance for the year 350 to 400 million.
Speaker 2: Dedicated revenue per truck increased 4.6% in first quarter, slightly ahead of our full-year guidance range that we are retaining.
Speaker 2: One-way truckload revenues per total mile for first quarter decreased 3.2% at the upper end of our first half guidance range. Our guidance range for the first half remains down 3% to down 6%.
Speaker 2: Our tax rate in first quarter was 24.3% in line with our guidance range for the full year. The average age of our truck and trailer fleet in first quarter was 2.2 and 5.1 respectively. Now let's move to slide 19 to discuss our updated market outlook for 2023 and our modeling assumptions.
Speaker 2: The freight market in spot rates in one way truckloading logistics did not experience typical seasonal improvement in March and in fact declined. Freight demand in April remained challenging and consistent with March.
Speaker 2: The March freight law occurred concurrent with the timing of the banking system failures, which has resulted in tighter lending standards. On last quarter's earnings call, we expected 2023 would have a relatively muted economic backdrop. At that time, we forecast that a better second half of the year with inventory replenishment resuming, trucking capacity, exiting and a more normal peak shipping season in fourth quarter. Our outlook has not changed, but improvement may be delayed a few months due to the uncertainty caused by the recent banking failures.
Speaker 2: We continue to expect freight and one more truckload and logistics will remain challenging in a second and potentially third quarter as retail inventory destocking runs its course and the Fed completes monetary tightening. We expect spot freight rates will bottom in second quarter and then begin to improve in the second half. Smaller carriers that rely on the spot market are facing tremendous financial challenges, given the shortfall between revenues and costs.
Speaker 2: and tighter bank lending standards with much higher interest rates. Trucking company failures are increasing. FMCSA data backs this up. Starting last September for 31 consecutive weeks, Interstate truck deactivations exceeded truck activations with net deactivations of over 80,000 trucks over the seven month period.
Speaker 2: By fourth quarter, we expect the freight market will begin to show improvement for the holiday shipping season. This is driven more by inventory and capacity trends than confidence in a macro economic acceleration. For the used truck market, we expect gradually declining demand in a difficult freight and financing market, which should moderate pricing and equipment gains of the year progresses.
Speaker 2: We continue to expect that our equipment gains for the full year will be in the range of 30 to 50 million.
Speaker 2: Due to higher interest rates and a higher debt level, we continue to expect net interest expense this year will be $20 million higher than last year.
Speaker 2: We anticipate that OEM truck and trailer production will continue to show improvement the rest of this year. This should enable us to gradually decrease the age of our truck fleet, which in turn will help with maintenance expenses, on-time service, and driver retention.
Speaker 2: We have a powerful business model with a large and durable dedicated fleet, a diversified one-way truckload fleet, and a growing logistics segment.
Speaker 2: As nearshoring expands, we have the largest Mexico cross-border franchise in truckload and deep experience operating in this complex market. We are building a Warner-branded Premier final mile solution to service a rapidly growing customer need for high service home delivery. We continue to prioritize and invest in our cloud-first, cloud-now technology strategy through Warner Edge.
Speaker 2: We are streamlining operations and are enhancing the experience of our stakeholders. Three-quarters of our freight base is aligned with winning retail, food, and beverage customers with a focus on transporting necessity-based goods. And most importantly, we are continuously improving our superior safety record and award-winning service. Now, I would like to turn the call over to our operator to begin the call.
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Speaker 2: And at this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble our roster. And the first question will be from Jack Atkins from Stevens. Please go ahead. Okay, great. Good afternoon, guys. Chris, welcome. Welcome to Warner. And John , congratulations on your retirement. Jerry was a great way to put it.
Speaker 2: half of the month. Are you seeing anything in your business in the last couple of weeks that would make you a little bit more encouraged about whether it's the Spring Peak or maybe just capacity rationalizing somewhat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack. Thanks for the question. I might stop a little short of the tail-to-afts approach, but I would say this. We have definitely seen as we added delayed spraying, especially relative to produce and other products that were impacted by weather that as that starts to work its way through, that does draw a capacity both from the obvious.
Speaker 2: of freight flows in that part of our market as well. So yes, we are encouraged by some of what we've seen in the last couple weeks of April , but I certainly don't want to be too optimistic at this point. I'd rather cautiously continue to observe it and see if we can continue to see this trend developed. Okay, no, I'm not interested. I know we have a lot of wood to chop here, both.
Speaker 2: quarter, you guys said you expect to be able to stay within that range this year, even despite the market challenges. I know it's one quarter, it's a seasonally soft quarter, we were below that in the first quarter. How are you thinking about what you need to do to be able to make sure you can stay within that range this year? I'm sure the entire organization is focused on that, but are there cost-out opportunities, efficiency opportunities? Yes, opportunity opportunities, but.
Speaker 4: What needs to happen to make sure you can stay in the bottom of that range?
Speaker 2: Yes, Jack, I mean, you summed it up pretty well. We are laser focused right now on the cost side of the equation. I would say the passion for taking cost out of the business right now is as heightened as it's been in a long time. We are not celebrating Q1 results. We certainly know that we've got work to do ahead of us. But we've maintained the guidance because of the confidence that we have as we look forward and think about.
Speaker 2: you know, what happened within supplies and maintenance. Some of the integration costs that we know were just a reality during the first 90 days of digesting to acquisitions that took place kind of, you know, in the middle of Q4, the work, the ongoing success we're having on insurance and claims as it relates to both frequency.
Speaker 2: severity and work comp as well that it's
Speaker 2: That's the toughest one to ever predict because it always takes just one bad outcome for that to move differently. But over time, the thing that we can most control in that line is simply being safer. And we continuously are setting new 10 year, now 11 year record.
Speaker 2: and Q1 and we're going to continue to drive lower. I would say I'm also encouraged because the work we're doing within one way to further engineer that network has started to reap benefits as it relates to production. And that, you know, if you can't get right, the next best thing is to make sure we're actively utilizing our assets.
Speaker 2: and doing the best possible job we can to keep them busy. That has certainly been encouraging. And we've seen some encouraging signs on the turnover front as I think the overall backdrop, economic backdrop, becomes more and more real. It allows us to continue to present a compelling story to our drivers as to why Warner is a great place to work. So you put all that together.
Speaker 2: And you add the large caveat, which is there is a lot of work to be done to make sure that we deliver on that long-term guidance range relative to 12 to 17 percent. But at this point we feel that that is still something that we can deliver on.
Speaker 4: Okay, Derek, thank you for the time. Really appreciate it. And the next question will come from Scott Group from Wolf Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks. Afternoon guys and best of luck, Sean and congrats, Chris. So we've talked about the resiliency of dedicated margins through the cycle. But if I look this quarter, I get just one quarter, but dedicated 60% of the revenue and overall margins were down 570 basis points.
Speaker 5: Maybe it would be helpful. Can you just give some directional color on how one way and dedicated margins performed in the core? I just want to understand where we're seeing the margin pressure.
Speaker 2: Yes Scott, great question. So dedicated, let me start with this. Our premise on dedicated remains intact. We do believe it will continue to perform well through the cycle in both good and softer freight markets. We do believe it will continue to perform well through the cycle in both good and softer freight markets. We do believe it will continue to perform well through the cycle in both good and softer freight markets.
Speaker 2: you know largely as expected in Q1 but if you think about a couple of the caveats that we held out there or some of the largest headwinds of both supplies and maintenance as well as insurance and claims you know those are impacts to both dedicated in one way and so we did have outsized cost that we've got our arms around and we've made progress on already and have seen the impact of some of the progress specifically on the supplies and maintenance line.
Speaker 2: On the revenue per truck per week, it did exactly what we thought it would do. It continued to find increased efficiencies and increased the opportunity to improve that metric. It was a cost issue, clearly. As far as where the OR and TTS, the degradation, obviously it was much more severe in one way than it was in Dedicated. admittedly for?
Speaker 2: Obviously we've got to put the lion's share of our focus there to make sure that we get that turned around and that is where our focus is at this time. And then lastly I'll just say again, I'm not trying to point the quarter toward this issue but there was clearly no ability to, although synergies are being realized on the acquisitions, rather be an offset by.
Speaker 2: the integration costs that take place predominantly early on as we had to quickly mobilize and work toward getting fleet standards to where we wanted to see them getting that equipment maintained and upgraded where appropriate and then some significant work on the system side to make sure we secure those networks and made sure that you know we did we did not have Any vulnerabilities post integration so some of that?
Speaker 5: any way to just think about how much sequential margin or earnings improvement you'd expect trucking in the second quarter and then
Speaker 2: The cost opportunity to talk about is anyway just putting numbers around how much cost you use potentially to take out? Yes, so we'll start with the first question. I mean, if you look historically over a multi-year period, Warner's earnings from Q1 to Q2 normally go up somewhere in the neighborhood of Calla 25 to 30%.
We do not believe that is the case this quarter, given the economic backdrop that we're faced with right now. So that's not something that we think is in the cards. We don't give quarterly guidance, as you know, but I do want to frame up very clearly that 30% improvement in Q2 is not the way we are thinking about that. We have made headlines. I've indicated already on supplies and maintenance until very good.
that some of the moves we took in the first quarter, although they increased cost in that quarter, they set up for a better Q2, three and four. The insurance and claims line, again, I'll reiterate, you know, what we can do is continue to be safer and safer and safer, and at some point, we need to see some of this prior period stuff kind of work itself through and hopefully put us behind us.
But that's clearly the most volatile and least predictable line in the entire P&L. And so I just want to be cautious about trying to give anything too specific there. The market itself has shown a couple of weeks. And so I want to be careful with how much credence we put on that. A couple of weeks of stabilizing it appears as those spot rates have found to bottom.
both. So if that's true and we start to see any lift from here that certainly is a positive. On the overall cost savings initiatives I mean we've we've up till now kind of shied away from talking about specific numbers but I think we owe it to you and the investor community to say you know we've identified at this point and it started implementation and I've already started to see some of these come through.
cost savings in the neighborhood of about $34 million. Those are annualized numbers, and obviously some of those have not yet started, so you only get partial year impacts, et cetera. We're going to continue to dig, and we think there's more that we can find. But as we sit here, it's already May. Many of those are just being implemented as we speak.
but we're going to stay aggressive in that category. Very helpful. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Scott. And the next question is from Tom Wojtowicz from UBS. Please go ahead.
for the first half after posting down 3.2 and 1Q. That implies a pretty wide range for placing the QQ could be anywhere between down to the down nine. So just wondering what you're assuming would drive the lower and a higher end of the guide for revenue per mile. Thanks.
Hey Mike, this is Chris Neal. So yeah, you're right on the one way trucking rate per total mile to climb. We were at 3.2. That was at the higher end of our guidance down 3.2, right? And it is definitely choppy waters out there. We built the one way portfolio with
you know, winning customers and volumes, you know, really held in there pretty good in January and February and as mentioned by us and others, I think, you know, there was some weakness in March, the second half of March and then a little bit in the first half of April and now we've seen a little improvement. You know, in terms of what we're thinking, I mean, we've got some bid rates that are going to be
one-way trucking specifically to be effective in Q2, a little more than 30%, a little less than 30%. We're in Q1. In Q3 we have about 23% exposure and then the rest in Q4. So as some of those negative rate renewals are implemented and effective.
we'll see some increased pressure on the one-way trucking metric. You know, there's... We've also had to increase spot exposure a little bit as we've maintained disciplined with our pricing.
So I think as you look at, you know, most likely we would expect that our one-way trucking rate per total mile would decline sequentially, mainly because of those negative rate renewals, but there are some opportunities to continue to perform in that area. We could see spots that have bottomed.
actual volumes in general and that would decrease our exposure to spot which would improve our, you know, help as you talked, improve that number toward the upper end of the range in the second quarter. But it's a tough environment out there and we're just going to continue the best we can know.
I guess at this point, bid season has gone as expected. Right. Then the other question I have is just on the demand side, just to go back to that.
Some of your biggest customers are the largest retailers out there. So just curious how they're viewing demand in their businesses. Has their outlook on inventory replenishment changed at all? And how much advance notice would you ordinarily get from those customers if there was an inflection or change in their demand forecasts? Thanks.
Hi, this is John . As it relates to our retail inventory customers, that's a big line share of our business.
Clearly, their demand has been declining, but we are concentrated with discount retailers that are really more attractive to the value conscious consumer. A high percentage of what they sell is consumer staples, and that's definitely seeing less pressure than what discretionary goods are seeing.
reports reported that they achieved a reduction in their inventory dollars per store from November to January , all 13. Seven of the 13 had stronger growth in same store sales than they did in inventory per store growth.
We think that they're well along the way in de-stocking of inventory as a group and they're getting closer back to normal replenishment of inventory, which would increase freight shipments compared to a de-stocking environment. A few of the comments are, inventory levels moderated significantly after the first half of 2022. We took bold actions last summer to quickly take action to right size our inventory.
Inventory growth is still elevated, but the pace is moderating as we expected. Units per store are at a similar level to pre-pandemic periods. We've had a strong execution of inventory rebalancing. And finally, the last one is our inventory is in good shape. So, overall, we think we're in the latter stages of de-stocking. Obviously, demand is hard to predict, but we think...
Things are getting closer to a normalization at levels that we'll see with this recessionary type economy.
are getting closer to a normalization at levels that we'll see with this recessionary type economy. Right.
about how are their sales doing. There's the equally important one, which is where they're at the imagery cycle. And then the last one is what are we doing relative to their share? And so we have continued to both be able to. And if you ask me what I think some of the bright spots in the corner are, one of those is keeping pricing discipline and expecting and being paid appropriately for the type of work we do.
It's hard to do, hard to serve, difficult work, especially on the dedicated side with the service expectations and taking Wallachare from others through that service. So that's something I'm proud of. It also positions us well in the sterns to be able to grow further with winning customers.
and Derek Scott grew up and I just boarded a plane and he said he's going to kick my chair the longer I ask a question. So let me dig into the state of the market following Jack's questions. Did you say there was a 15% spread between spot rates and I guess cost above spot right now and maybe Derek just giving you a historical experience maybe talk a bit about
You know what you've seen in peak to trough, you know kind of markets and how we should look at that Spread indicative of what what you know the time frame you see in the past Sure, kid. Well, I'll start by saying don't get any fights on the plane. They don't like that these days anymore. So be nice
relative to, it's our strong belief that if you look at where spot rates are today, they are 15 to 17, maybe even as high as 20% below carrier operating costs. There's several ways you could look at that. You could think about average carrier operating costs across the publicly traded group. ATA also does, or ATRI I should say, puts out really strong operational cost of trucking. And then of course we work with and talk to all these other implies that checknots are normal when they're private. There's a lot to consider and then armed price which goes back to safety of our driver. And note as Steven was saying, every time we look at blister happening, essentially everyone says, you already know what we're doing at THANK):
variable lending arrangements that are now becoming much more expensive almost overnight and inclusive of today. It's just it's going to be a very tough time. So yes, we do believe that it's only so low it can go and I said a quarter ago that the cure for low prices is low prices. Eventually they go too low and they have to bounce back.
So that's part of the confidence that some of the lesser efficient operators are going to continue to exit. And that exodus now, you know, 31 straight weeks have met the activations. Sure, some of those are ending up as those experienced drivers we spoke of, and they are ending up in company fleets, but it isn't like large company fleets are growing either right now.
It's simply an opportunity to raise the bar on quality, to make sure you're getting the very best drivers behind the wheel in every possible truck to take a further step down in accident frequency and work comp frequency and kind of step up in service. So these are all kind of foreshadowing better performance as we go forward while we wait for this market to turn.
Another reality is when you have these markets that are slow and been slow like they've been kind of year to date, it presents opportunities to take care of necessary things and sometimes you pay a little bit of a price for it, like maintaining equipment and getting equipment completely up to snuff, if you will. When drivers have more time and we have more time, you can find more things to fix. We've got to watch that. We've got to get our arms around that and we're doing that actively as we speak. We've got to get our arms around that and we're doing that actively as we speak.
The last part of your question was about peak to trough. If you look through historically in cycles, I mean from when we start seeing spot rates going negative, 18 months kind of on the outer end before they bounce and start to come up, we're certainly over 12 and working our way further, but it's our belief there's no six months more to go. You just can't go lower from here. I think April , when the dust settles, will represent the bottom.
The question is how long does it drag on the bottom before you see some improvement and we still have conviction that that happens in the second half But we're going to see sequential you know Q1 to Q2 spots going to be worse in Q2 than it wasn't Q1 in our exposure Is slightly up it we're still very low spot exposed on the total mile basis? You know somewhere you know south of seven percent of total miles, but that's still north of where we'd like to be
But it's about discipline, right? So I'd rather be disciplined in Q1 and take a little pain than to inherit or digest really bad contractual terms into this business that I have to live with for quarters to come. So that was our stance. That was our strategy. It presents a tough spot relative to Q1 results.
But I think it's the right play as it relates to 2023 and beyond. Really helpful perspective and just if I can do my follow on that, Derek on what you just left off with, which is the cost side, right? What happens to driver pay when you get this rate reduction market? I guess for John , is there integration potential from the Baylor and read TMS acquisitions or is that was that built into your cost kind of focus commentary that.
Yes, so driver pay is certainly moderating. I mean, what's happened with driver pay over the last couple of years, you know, both here and across the industry was really significant. And you know, you're looking at driver pay, you know, really for the industry, but certainly here, you know, where we have daily home time jobs, dedicated jobs that give people really, really upgraded lifestyles. And yet year one wages that can in many cases surpass $70,000.
of that pay pressure is behind us, especially with the macro backdrop of what is more likely to be a tougher labor market for employment itself. I mean, I eat more unemployment and other things on its way. We've aggressively been working, especially in Q1 through some further engineering for lifestyle in our one-way fleet and the expansion of some of the legs of the stool around Team X provided it.
from Citigroup. Please go ahead. Hey, good evening, guys. It's Rob Sam and I'm Chris. John , congrats on the upcoming retirement and Chris, looking forward to working with you. I guess the follow up on Scott's question with regard to the cost inflation can give us a sense of how much integration costs you guys incurred in the first
in the first quarter and how you're thinking about that for the back half of the year.
Yeah, we, I don't have a firm number to be able to give you on integration costs. What I can tell you is that it more than outweighed the synergies that we experienced thus far. We think the largest portion of that is really behind us. If you think about the world we live in today, one of the large upfront integration costs that we attack very aggressively here is on the cyber side.
And so there's a lot of work we do and a lot of expense we make to make sure and bring everything that we touch immediately. And that whatever cost that may represent up to the standards that we have from a cybersecurity perspective here at Warner, that was part of it. There's the obvious integration cost as it relates to maintaining and improving upon the equipment allotment that some of those companies may have had because of how difficult it was to get to get equipment during the pandemic.
There's travel costs related to the integration teams and the work that they do. And most of the synergies. There's a few things you get right away. You can get some synergies right away on fuel and other items, but a lot of it is a larger kind of journey that we have to take. As we look forward, I guess all I would say is I'm encouraged by where we're at and getting better each time we've had one of these acquisitions at integrating more rapidly. We have been Reader MARK, Peter D courtyard fromoves and Simon T pump. We have had aTMAS ready.
getting some of the synergies realized and measured more quickly, and then mostly improving upon the scorecarding we're doing with those businesses. The last thing I'd say on this is it's also tough. To be fair to these acquired companies, who we think so highly of their leadership teams, they too are operating in this very, very difficult market.
So I'll point back to a highlight we mentioned earlier in the call. One of the highlights for me of the quarter is that unique to really only a few players in the space, you know, in our logistics business, both on our organic truckload brokerage as well as on the acquired Reed TMS business, both of those individually and then obviously collectively.
were up year over year in shipments. So the product they're putting out there in the market is winning, we are gaining share, we were fairly close from a gross margin perspective year over year, everybody has seen some compression there, but most importantly, we're getting deeper footholds in the very key customers that we feel strongly about.
has already started. How much did you guys see in the first quarter? How much do you plan on doing in the second quarter and then obviously the remainder would come in at some point in the back half of the year? Yeah it was you know I would say first quarter was you know mid single digits so call it you know three to five because it takes a while to get it ramped up get it identified and get it going.
we're gonna identify more and dig deeper. But certainly maybe a safe way to think about it is half a year of that number, because it's gonna be a tough lift to get a lot of it done quickly here in Q2, and then it'll build from there.
Really appreciate the time, guys. Our next question is from John Chappelle from Evercore. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good afternoon. Derek, just wondering how the dedicated pipelines changed at all in this kind of weaker environment, especially as you transitioned from maybe a more optimistic start to the year to a little bit more of a difficult March, April . I know you said you're not going to really grow your fleet until the second half. Is it going to be an incredibly back-end loaded kind of 4Q fleet growth that are laid out?
the differences in the spot between a week 2, Q, 3, Q, and then a more optimistic fork here. We're not signing up today for kind of the hockey stick type growth in the back half, but what I can tell you is the dedicated pipeline is really robust. We will actually be implementing some new dedicated business in Q2. Some of that will be offset by
either attrition and or some things that we've made decisions to separate and or downsize. So you could see slight dedicated growth even in Q2, but we wanted to be more prescriptive and talk about that being in the second half. There's really no line of sight right now at this point for us growing our one-way fleet through the back half of the year. And so we really thought the safer thing was to talk about flat.
fleet in Q2 with growth in the second half, but if there was growth it would be in dedicated. And I'd remind you that one area that has continued to grow and we really haven't spoke about it on the call yet is power only. And so power only operates in conjunction with our one way network and that has had tremendous success. It continues to sort of improve month over month both in volumes but also in efficiency.
And so we're gaining further excitement about the future of what power only could look like. And it obviously helps us take some of the capital intensity out of the business as we think about going forward. We're still going to be an asset player because Dedicated is still going to be a major part of our portfolio.
But as we go forward, we'll continue to find ways to do more with focusing on less asset-intensive footprint and power only in the mix as part of that solution. Great. My follow-up is actually going to be on power only. Just really quickly, I mean, with the logistics margin pressure, if you didn't have the growing power only, was it something where it could have been closer to break even? Is the power only proven to be less cyclical, a little bit more stickier through these really weak broker environments?
of a more secular end of the spectrum, but it's stickier. It behaves and operates in drop trailer configurations that are tougher to compete with, with pure brokerage. It behaves and operates with more sophisticated customers that tend to have.
a longer term view because their expectations around service are more elevated than your typical spot load type shipper. So I'm not trying to be evasive, but somewhere between where dedicated sits and where your transactional one-way market sits is kind of where power only resides.
a little stickier, a little more resilient, a little better through the cycle, but certainly I'm not trying to portray it to be the same as dedicated. Got it, thanks a lot, Derek. Thank you.
And our final question for today will come from Bert Subin from Stiefel. Please go ahead. Oh yeah, thank you in a good afternoon and congratulations to John on an incredible career and welcome to Chris. Thank you. Derek, you talked a lot about sort of the setup today. You know, if we think about you.
for the upswing.
Yeah, great question Bert. So first off we think let me talk about second half of 23. Let me let me start with what we don't think it is. We don't think there's some big economic recovery right around the corner and suddenly all of this sort of background noise is going to go away and subside. We don't think that suddenly the banking industry looks strong and resilient and and consumer confidence goes to the roof.
What we do believe is that what's happening from a capacity perspective is real and it's accelerating, meaning what's taking place relative to the cleansing of less efficient or less less, you know, capable operators is happening all around us and that will continue. We think our model, our execution, our service.
our commitment to our customer. We'll continue to pay dividends and we'll continue to take share both with existing and new customers. We think the inventory to stocking is in the later innings and so we think as that continues to run its course and in some cases has run its course with some key customers within our network, you start to see normal replenishment cycles.
We think living in the neighborhood that we live in and discount retail where folks can continue to have you know the opportunity to trade down as they are becoming more frugal with those discretionary dollars is a good place for our portfolio to sit. We think the share gains that we've made in logistics and our ongoing ability to not only hold and retain volumes, but increase volumes sets us up very well for when this thing turns.
So the back half we think is got opportunities to outperform and really be stronger and see some normal return to seasonality. We think Christmas is still going to be on December 25th and people are still going to buy and participate in that and unlike a year ago where inventory gluts were profound that will cause and necessitate the movements of goods.
for some of that stock and inventory to move. We think you put all that together, that that's our outlook and that's why we have more optimism still for back half, but perhaps with a month or two delayed from our original expectation. As you get into 24 and 25, yeah, we think it sets up much better. I don't foresee this, I mean, it's my personal view that, you know, this economic recession is not long lived.
I think people we get through this knothole and you start to see a better environment in 24 You you see the the strong have survived We continue to execute against our drive strategy to set up for that and even in the short term You know as we sit around and make decisions here It's always tough being a publicly traded company thinking about a quarter, but having to run a business
based on a strategy and a long-term vision. And so when in doubt, we're gonna focus on long-term vision strategy and where we see this business in two to three years over a month to month of decision-making tree. So that's kind of the course we're on, that's the course we'll stay on, as long as I'm here, that's how I believe strongly in taking that longer-term view. And I think our portfolio is set up really, really well for when this turns. That's great, thanks so much for the great answer there, Derek, maybe, you know,
enhanced and expanded our ability to cross-dock and be able to do both temperature controlled as well as dry van stock cross docking so that we can use our assets and or others. We now have all of our major components playing in the Mexico market if you will so we do both power only into and out of standard brokerage
truckload asset and intermodal. So that's exciting. Our customers are absolutely telling us that they are interested in doing more nearshoring and they've and many of them have been trusted partners with us for over 20 years. We've worked with some of these companies since the days I came to Warner 24 years ago. So we're excited as we look forward to Mexico.
for international trade, but we don't always get everything we want. But as I look at the medium to long term, and I think about Mexico, I think about a seasoned team with over two decades of experience, most of the management group having been here for that entire run, partnerships with carriers across Mexico that have the same amount of longevity.
customers really the same thing and yet some very robust new customers coming into the fold as of late. So I'm pretty excited about what that business looks like going forward and its profile has maintained to be one that has premium returns because of its complexity, less competition because of its complexity and one that we think we can continue to excel.
Thank you, Derek. Thank you. I'll now turn the call back over to Mr. Derek Leathers who will provide closing comments. Please go ahead. I'd like to just thank everybody for joining us on our first quarter earnings call today. While we recognize Q1 certainly had its share of challenges, our main confident in our ability to deliver as we move through this cycle.
We're positioned well for strong performance with a robust dedicated pipeline to further enhance our stable and growing dedicated fleet. We've remained disciplined on price across the organization while still being able to grow volumes and logistics both organically and with our recent acquisition.
Power only and truckload brokerage growth continues to add solutions for our customers while lowering the capital intensity of our business and that's exciting. We remain committed to operational excellence and expect superior performance from our team and have an unwavering focus on sustainability as demonstrated by the meaningful progress we made achieving our ESG goals.
We remain well positioned to generate superior earnings and free cash flow to weather the storm and drive long-term shareholder value. And I like the end by one last time, thanking John Steele for again to use the word legendary career. Thank you for all that you've done and all that you've contributed. It's been an honor to work with you. Thank you, Derek.
We remain well positioned to generate superior earnings and free cash flow to weather the storm and drive long-term shareholder value. And I'd like to end by one last time thanking John Steele for, again, to use the word legendary career. Thank you for all that you've done and all that you've contributed. It's been an honor to work with you. Thank you, Derek. And with that, we conclude our call today. Thank you, everyone.
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