B&G Foods Inc. Q1 2023 Earnings Call
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Good day and welcome to the B N G Foods first quarter 2023 earnings call today's call, which is being recorded is scheduled to last about one hour, including remarks by P&G Foods' management and the question and answer session I would now like to turn the call over to Michael Bauer director of corporate strategy and business development for B and.
Foods Mike.
Good afternoon, and thank you for joining US with me today are Keith P. Kelley, our Chief Executive Officer, and Bruce Walker, Our Chief Financial Officer you.
You can access detailed financial information on the quarter in the earnings release, we issued today, which is available at the Investor Relations section of <unk> Dot com.
Before we begin our formal remarks I need to remind everyone that part of the discussion today includes forward looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore undue reliance should not be placed upon them.
We refer you to <unk> annual report on Form 10-K, and subsequent SEC filings for a more detailed discussion on the risks that could impact our company's future operating results and financial condition.
<unk> undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements whether as a result of new information future events or otherwise we will also be making references on today's call to the non-GAAP financial measures adjusted EBITDA adjusted net income adjusted diluted earnings per share and base business net sales reconciliations.
These financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in today's earnings release Casey.
Casey will begin the call with opening remarks, and discuss various factors that affected our results selected business highlights and his thoughts concerning the outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2023, Bruce will then discuss our financial results for the first quarter of 2023, and our guidance for fiscal 2023, I would now like to turn the call over to Casey.
Good afternoon. Thank you, Mike and thank you all for joining us today for our first quarter 2023 earnings call.
First quarter results continued strong pricing recovery against inflationary costs adjusted.
Adjusted EBITDA increased plus 12, 9% versus last year to $82 $4 million.
Margin improved significantly with adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales at 16, 1%, increasing plus 240 basis points from Q1 2022.
Excluding items affecting comparability gross profit as a percentage of net sales improved to 22, 4% in Q1, 2023, increasing plus 300 basis points versus 19, 4% last year.
Base business net sales, which excludes net sales from the recently divested back to nature brand were down slightly at minus one 2% versus Q1 2022.
But up substantially plus three 8% versus the two year comparison to Q1 2021.
Last year Q1 sales were elevated plus five 4% growth by the higher at home demand and retailer inventory, resulting from the omicron partial lockdowns in January and February 2022.
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Some key perspectives on the results inflation Q1 inflation across packaging and commodities was above last year, but has moderated from Q4 levels.
Total fiscal year 'twenty three input costs are projected to remain higher than average costs throughout 2022, particularly in the first half.
However, we are seeing declines in key commodities, including soybeans, corn wheat and fuel versus the highs reached in the middle of 2022.
Soybean oil is now trading on the spot market in the 50% to 55 range per pound range relative to the high 70% range in late spring 2022.
Pricing.
In total pricing realization, including product mix contributed $63 2 million in Q1 versus Q1 last year.
Reflecting pricing actions taken across the portfolio in 2022.
We implemented new pricing actions in February to recover higher costs on Tomatoes glass and starches, specifically on <unk>, and Taco sauces and baking powder.
At this point, we expect that the vast majority of pricing actions are complete to recover expected inflation in 2023.
Volume Q1 sales volumes compared to a relatively high base period in Q1, 2022, which experienced higher demand and retail retailer pipeline behind omicron partial lockdowns.
Chris go oil volumes also declined as a result of higher elasticities greater than one as the average price point crossed a key $5 per bottle threshold following baking season in Q4.
We have now lowered prices in the market to reflect lower soybean oil costs consistent with our commodity pricing approach with customers and expect to return below the key five dollar threshold in the back half of the year.
Finally, green giant volumes continue to reflect the exit of low to no margin dollar channel can business last summer and the discontinuation of low margin innovation in the <unk> portfolio.
Despite these volume declines green giant gross profit dollars and gross profit margin were up substantially in the first quarter.
Supply and service customer service and fill rates improved during the quarter, reaching over 96% in March and sequentially, increasing from 94%, 95% in Q4.
Last year, Q1, 2022 service levels were less than 90%.
Impacted by disruptions from the Omicron Covid variant in the supply and distribution network.
Spices and seasonings.
Higher margin spices, and seasonings business extremely experienced strong growth in Q1 with net sales, increasing plus nine 6% versus last year.
Led by year over year growth in Dash Spice Islands, foodservice and new growth from license seasons seasonings toppings.
Including cinnamon toast Crunch Einstein brothers et cetera.
Service levels and production reliability also improved versus last year with fill rates, reaching 96%.
<unk> is a key platform for future growth and expansion with solid category growth and higher margins relative to the rest of the <unk> portfolio.
In terms of capital structure, we continue to bring down leverage in the first quarter.
Pro forma net debt to adjusted EBITDA before share based compensation expense is now seven two times down from 764 times at the end of Q4.
We believe we are on track to reduce leverage below seven times by year end, a critical focus in a rising interest rate environment.
Bruce will discuss the balance sheet in more detail, but leverage was reduced by lower inventory and working capital and prepaying term loan debt with excess cash flow and the proceeds from the back to nature divestiture.
As we move forward, we expect to deliver continued year over year margin and adjusted EBITDA recovery in Q2 and to some extent in Q3.
Inflation is projected to moderate from historic highs in 2022 with some new inflation already covered by executed price actions.
We also expect to achieve low single digit net sales growth behind easier Covid comps service recovery restored promotional activity and lower vegetable oil pricing below key thresholds at higher volume elasticity.
Further we are continuing to reshape the P&G portfolio.
The sale of the back to nature brand to Birla America was completed in early January and as a proactive step to exit the small fragmented lower margin snacks portfolio that is outside of the future P&G foods core.
We are actively evaluating other divesture possibilities to sharpen the portfolio focus and reduce debt. We will keep you updated as plans progress.
Finally, the transition to four business units spices in flavor solutions meals frozen vegetables, and specialty is proceeding well.
And beginning to drive future performance as.
As discussed these units clarify the portfolio focus in future platforms for acquisition and push accountability down to improve management and decision making.
Business unit leadership is working to drive improved margins better manage supply and demand build stronger growth and innovation plans and optimize product lines.
As previously communicated we expect to be in a position to share business unit financial performance later this year.
Thank you and I'll now turn the call over to Bruce for more detail on our quarterly performance and outlook for the year.
Thank you Casey and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on our first quarter 2023 earnings call.
As you can see our first quarter 2023 results reflect in many ways a continuation of the strong operating performance that we delivered in the fourth quarter of last year.
In the first quarter of 2023, we generated $511 8 million and net sales $82 4 million in adjusted EBITDA adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales was 16, 1% and adjusted diluted earnings per share of 2007.
Base business net sales, which excludes net sales from the recently divested back to nature brand remained robust despite being slightly behind last year's elevated demand from partial lockdowns related to the army ground resurgence.
On a two year stack base business net sales increased by approximately three 8% in the first quarter of 2023, when compared to the first quarter of 2021.
Meanwhile, our profits and margins have continued to recover for example, adjusted EBITDA and our adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales continue to show a very nice improvement from the inflationary challenges that we faced throughout 2022.
Our first quarter 2023, adjusted EBITDA of $82 4 million increased by $9 $4 million or 12, 9% compared to the first quarter of 2022.
Adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales increased by approximately 240 basis points to 16, 1% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales of 13, 7% in the first quarter of 2022.
And while we are still seeing inflation across much of our portfolio. The pace of this inflation is finally slowed allowing pricing to catch up with costs and continue restoring margins in our P&L.
Separately in some cases, we're even seeing some favorability in certain commodities and other input costs in our portfolio that experienced some of the most extreme levels of inflation such.
Such as soybean oil diesel fuel and overall transportation or logistics as these cost returned to more normalized levels.
Net sales were mixed across the portfolio.
Among our largest brands Clabber girl had the best performance in the quarter of 2023, and net sales were up by $6 5 million or 31% compared to the year ago period.
Clabber girl is seeing strength across all of its product lines, including baking powder.
<unk> soda and corn starch and.
And channels, including branded retail private label and industrial.
Our spices and seasonings business also had very strong net sales performance for the first quarter of 2023 with.
With our various places and seasonings brands, including Dash tunes, and Weber and others, increasing by $8 4 million or nine 6% in the aggregate compared to the year ago period.
Our spices and seasonings business has largely recovered from the supply chain challenges that we faced for much of last year and we are very much looking forward to enjoying growth in this business again.
Nipple grow forms net sales were up approximately $600000 or two 7% for the first quarter of 2023 compared to last year.
Cream of wheat was largely flat for the quarter down less than $5 million or one 7% following five consecutive quarters of net sales growth.
Cream of wheat was up $2 4 million or 13, 5% when compared to the first quarter of 2021.
Net sales of Chriscoe were down $6 7 million or eight 4% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the prior year period, but up $14 3 million or.
24, 8% compared to the first quarter of 2021.
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Chris go has seen the highest levels of inflationary pressure out of all of our brands and is therefore, the brand where we have taken the highest levels of pricing.
Net sales have been positive on this brand throughout much of our ownership as the benefits from pricing have more than offset any elasticity driven volume shortfalls over the past few years.
In the first quarter of this year, however, pricing began to have a greater impact on volumes.
Fortunately with the cost for the underlying commodity coming down we have been able to increase our promotional activity and we are already seeing improved volume performance and the recent consumption data.
Our profitability on Chriscoe has remained robust despite movements in the underlying commodity.
Net sales of green giant, including Le Sueur were down approximately $9 9 million or seven 3% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the prior year period, although profitability of this business has seen a nice recovery following our pricing initiatives.
Net sales of Ortega were down approximately $4 2 million.
Or nine 7% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the prior year period.
Much of the decline in the quarter involves our lapping of last year's supply recovery and the re piping for soft business.
And in fact consumption for Ortega was up two 4% for the quarter.
Net sales of Ortega were effectively flat in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the first quarters of 2021 and 2020.
Base business net sales in all other brands in the aggregate decreased by.
<unk> $7 million or 0.8% for the first quarter of 2023 as compared to the first quarter of 2022.
Gross profit was $114 2 million for the first quarter of 2023 or 22, 3% of net sales.
Excluding the negative impact of <unk> 7 million of acquisition divestiture related expenses and nonrecurring expenses included in the cost of goods sold during the first quarter of 2023. The company's gross profit would have been $114 9 million or 22, 4% of net sales.
Gross profit was $101 3 million for the first quarter of 2022 or 19% of net sales.
Excluding the negative impact of $2 1 million of acquisition divestiture related expenses and nonrecurring expenses included in the cost of goods sold during the first quarter of 2022.
The company's gross profit would have been $103 4 million or 19, 4% of net sales.
Gross profit as a percentage of net sales excluding the impact of acquisition divestiture related and nonrecurring expenses was up over 300 basis points in the first quarter of 2023 compared to last year's first quarter.
The improved margins represented continued turnaround compared to the first three quarters of fiscal 2022, where we suffered from the severe input cost inflation that we're seeing industry wide and which led to large declines in our gross profit and margins.
Selling general and administrative expenses decreased by <unk> $1 million or 0.2% to $46 $7 million for the first quarter of 2023 from $46 8 million in the first quarter of 2022.
The decrease was composed of decreases in warehousing expenses of $1 $7 million.
Selling expenses of $1 1 million and consumer marketing expenses of $1 1 million.
Largely offset by increases in general and admin administrative expenses of $2 3 million.
And acquisition divestiture related and nonrecurring expenses of <unk> 5 million.
Expressed as a percentage of net sales selling general and administrative expenses increased by three percentage points to nine 1% for the first quarter of 2023 compared to eight 8% for the first quarter of 2022.
As I mentioned earlier, we generated $82 $4 million and adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $73 million in the first quarter of 2022.
The increase in adjusted EBITDA is primarily attributable to our pricing initiatives, which finally caught up to industry wide input cost inflation and logistics inflation beginning in last year's fourth quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales was 16, 1% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to 13, 7% in the first quarter of 2022.
The improvement of some 240 basis points represents continued turnaround to the first three quarters of last year during which we separate decreases in margins following unprecedented industry wide input cost inflation.
Net interest expense was $39 4 million, including approximately $2 $5 million and the amortization of financing fees in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $26 8 million in the first quarter of 2022.
The increase was primarily attributable to higher interest rates on our variable rate borrowings, partially offset by a reduction in average long term debt outstanding.
We reduced the principal amount of our long term debt by $111 million during the first quarter as compared to year end.
During the quarter, we prepaid $121 million of term loans using $71 million and net cash provided by operating activities and cash on hand, and $50 million in gross proceeds from the back to nature divestiture.
This was partially offset by an increase in our revolving loan balance of $10 million at the end of Q1 compared to last year.
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Depreciation.
<unk> and amortization of $18 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $19 8 million in the first quarter of last year.
We generated 27 and adjusted diluted earnings per share in the first quarter of 2023 compared to 29 last year.
We are very encouraged by the progress we have made over the past year in terms of restoring our P&L.
In addition to our P&L improvements I would also like to highlight some of the improvements in both our cash flows and our balance sheet.
For example, we generated $69 5 million and.
Net cash from operations during the first quarter of 2023 compared to just $25 2 million in the prior year.
Improved margins and more favorable working capital were the primary driver of improved performance.
Which was offset in part by increased interest expense.
Our net cash from operations during the first quarter also benefited from the semiannual interest payment on our 2025 notes falling in the second quarter of 2023 as compared to the first quarter of 2022.
Our balance sheet also improved during the first quarter of 2023.
We reduced inventory by nearly $25 million in the quarter to $700 9 million from approximately $726 5 million at the end of the fourth quarter.
As you may recall, the inflationary pressures that negatively impacted our profits nearly all of last year also impacted our inventory to leading to a full year increase in inventory in 2022 of nearly $125 million.
Similarly, as I mentioned earlier, our strong net cash from operations and our sale of back to nature allowed us to reduce the principal amount of our long term debt by $111 million at quarter end as compared to last year.
Moving forward, we continue to expect the year to play out largely as we described back in late February when we released our fourth quarter 2022 results and provided our preliminary guidance for the year.
We expect 2023 to be a P&L, our profit and margin recovery year.
With performance driven by the various pricing new cost savings initiatives that we have executed over the past 12 months.
As Casey said earlier, we are also watching the impact of our pricing initiatives on elasticity in volumes. So that we can tweak our strategy if needed.
And as we look forward, we remain cautiously optimistic about our outlook for 2023 and beyond we continue to expect this year's second quarter to look similar to this year's first quarter when we compare the prior year quarters with regards to improvements in the P&L.
We also continue to expect that our third quarter will show slightly more modest improvements in 2023 versus 2022.
And we still expect a fourth quarter of 2023 to look similar in many regards to the fourth quarter of 2022 with more limited year over year improvements.
We still live in a very volatile world and we cannot appreciate the full impact of the fed's efforts to reduce inflation at this point in time.
Or its impact on the broader economy and the consumer behavior.
However, we have all been trained to expect the unexpected over the last few years and we will make the best of the next set of challenges that we face.
In closing and based on what we know today, we are reaffirming our guidance for 2023 net sales of two three to $2 $1 7 billion.
Adjusted EBITDA of $310 million to $330 million.
And adjusted diluted earnings per share of <unk> 95 to $1 15.
As a reminder, our 2022 financials included the benefit of back to nature and every quarter of the year, while 2023 will not.
We also expect full year fiscal 2023 to include interest expense of $145 to $150 million, including cash interest expense of $140 million to $145 million.
Depreciation expense of $47 5 million to $52 5 million.
Amortization expense of 20 million to $22 million.
An effective tax rate of 26, 5% to 27, 5%.
And capex of $35 million to $40 million.
Now I will turn the call back over to Casey for further remarks.
Thank you Bruce and closing Q1 results demonstrated continued recovery with pricing covering inflationary costs.
Improved margins and a positive reduction in leverage.
We remain on track to achieve stronger year over year performance in Q2 and Q3.
Further reduce leverage and deliver within guidance for fiscal year 'twenty three.
This concludes our remarks and now we would like to begin the Q&A portion of our call operator.
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Our first question comes from the line of Hale Holden with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Good afternoon.
Two questions for you guys. The first one is.
That was a pretty outstanding number from Clabber girl.
Surprisingly you see the cloud growth in the context of a down chriscoe corner.
So maybe just some thoughts on.
What drove that.
Sure I think starting out with Chris go for example, this is one of the brands in our portfolio Thats had the highest input cost inflation over the inflationary cycle and we were aggressive as we said we would be in terms of protecting our margins and so within Chriscoe, we actually have a pretty good.
Profit number relative to prior years, but we increased price a lot and this is a category with private label with competition.
We crossed some important lines from the from a price point and we saw some elasticity. The fortunate thing is input costs are coming down for that brand and that will ultimately be reflected in a little bit more promotion and eventually pricing.
The dynamics on that Chris go into Clabber girl business are very different so we took pricing on collaborat Karl and the rest of our baking powder of baking soda portfolio in February of the first quarter to reflect higher costs on starts.
Starches.
Cornstarch sodium bicarbonate, some other things and we took pricing not only on.
The Clabber girl brand in our branded powders, but we also took pricing on private label as part of kind of annual contracts in <unk> and.
And agreements with retailers so.
<unk> growth is being driven by not just our branded products.
Products with pricing, but also the private label business it was priced.
Respectively to the to the commodity input increases.
Got it and then set.
Second question I had was.
Bruce you made the comment that.
Green giant.
Margins have improved sequentially.
And I was wondering if you could give us some context of where they are now.
Either relative to where they've been or just where they are on an absolute basis.
Yes, we haven't provided that level of detail specifically for green giant but for the quarter. The amount of improvement that we saw in the base business was pretty good green giant was actually.
Better improvement than the overall base business was just to give you some context I mean, the only other thing I would add to that is.
Yes.
Disclose obviously more specific information when we report business unit segments in the future, but the green giant frozen portfolio, where we've been really trying to improve the mix and improve the profitability.
That the gross profit margin on that business was up several hundred basis points.
That's great to hear thanks, so much for the time for us.
Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Carla Casella with Jpmorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Carla your line of lives.
Our next question comes from the line of Michael <unk> with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you good afternoon.
Hey, Michael.
Could you just.
Give a little more color on that.
Chris go pass through pricing in some of the mechanics there.
What kind of timing lags does it have how do you think about.
The outlook for that in terms of what.
It's reflected in guidance.
Just anything you can add and also just any color on how it impacts is it meant to protect gross profit dollars or margin or can you just help us understand how to think about the rest of the year relative to all of that.
Yes sure.
Remember I think we've talked on previous calls that the that pricing strategy on Chris go that we've aligned with customers and we execute with customers is that.
We are pricing to protect gross profit dollars. So.
We basically have an arrangement that every quarter, we reset prices based on kind of.
Recent market costs on soybean oil, we reset our pricing with customers based on the input commodity costs and the goal there is to have pricing move up and down with the commodity buy to protect gross profit dollars. So that's how you should think about it Chris go we will protect gross profit dollars that complication becomes.
How much movement that we have in the input costs and what does that do on pricing relative to volume, but I think what you heard us say.
On the call today is that one of the things we're learning on critical oil. So shortening has actually been a little less in the lab at less elastic on pricing, but as we crossed a five dollar per threshold.
$5 per bottle threshold in the market in the first quarter because in last baking season, we were largely selling at about a $5 price point.
During <unk> season, with more of the promotional activity, including Walmart as.
As we cross that threshold in the first quarter, we began to get data that showed the elasticity is much higher once you cross that $5 Mark.
And over one so before we were saying it was kind of the elasticity of 0.8 that was what we were kind of forecasting now we're seeing at once across the $5 at over one and this is the first time, we avail reprice point to that level.
And we've now reduced the price.
With our last round of customer agreements. So it's coming back down and my expectation is because of the trend of the soybean oil input costs as we will be below $5 a bottle in the back half of the year and we will get quite a bit of volume pickup in volume recovery at a one two or whatever elasticity. So it's a little comp.
Located because elasticities changes you had certain price thresholds and we just didn't have any data before on that but I think you should think about as protecting gross profit.
Margin dollars with our pricing structure, but the price point may move up and down in volume and pricing effects may move around on that business as well so.
I hope that helps.
No that's helpful.
A little bit related it sounds like.
Critical pricing could take another step down and it sounds like you just did one.
Maybe more modest but.
Just putting it all together with the February pricing some of the moving parts on Chris go in the.
Easier comp.
In <unk> relative to just a smaller price hike last year or some heavier promotion with <unk> likely be the peak for pricing or would <unk> still be pretty similar how should we just think about.
One is the peak Q1 will be the peak and then I think it will come down in Q2 and Q3.
Okay, great. Thanks, so much.
And remember we haven't so we have an agreement that we price kind of.
We have about a 60 day lag in the pricing, but we based on the most recent market condition. So as the prices come down.
Think youll still see our Chriscoe pricing model comes out and Michael I think the important thing to remember when you think about the model.
Assuming good execution in consumer behavior that makes sense, but.
You would see potentially an impact to sales and an impact to pricing plus or minus but effectively your gross profit dollars your product contribution dollars for the brand. So it essentially remained.
In line.
Alright, so you might have pressure on your sales, but you'd have.
Steve will EBITDA same thing when it was going on the way up.
Input cost increases, but we were able to raise price and therefore.
Relatively neutral on the profit dollars.
I just wanted to clarify is the follow up I was adding was total company in terms of just it would <unk> there'll be around the peak pricing level not just for Chriscoe.
I mean, we.
We really only move on a commodity pricing structure with Chriscoe. So Chris go as is the one that will move.
And I guess you mentioned some of the February pricing is that significantly we took I'm sorry, yes, yes. So we took we took we took pricing in February .
To reflect all of the new commodity increases that we're seeing new in 2023. So that's all done so yes, I don't anticipate that we're really going to take much additional pricing in the course of the year, because we basically covered inflation with the February actions that we're experiencing.
In 2023 relative to 2022.
Okay, great. Thanks, so much.
Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Carla Casella with Jpmorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Yes, sorry about that technical difficulty.
On that seen lines of elasticity can you just give us any more color aside from Tesco.
Which categories or brands, you see the most or the lease elasticity and if youre seeing any change in his last <unk> tends to be kind of move through the year.
I think we've only seen elasticity changes the biggest is on crisco and is across the $5 threshold, which kind of makes sense, but that that's that's probably the biggest change that we've seen most of our other businesses haven't taken the magnitude of pricing that Chriscoe has so we haven't really.
<unk> seen a big change from the last issue that were modeling kind of at the in the Q4 timeframe. The only other one I would say is.
Green giant canned vegetables.
Alaska is a little bit higher.
From the recent reads as the <unk>.
<unk> gone up with the last pack last fall.
But not not huge I mean.
Some increase in our last SEC from that one but for the most part the <unk>.
Outside of Crystal and canned vegetables, we've seen elasticity is staying pretty much in that overall average of seven eight that we've talked about before.
Okay, Great and then.
Backup back to nature of that sale.
Successful, but are there any further thoughts about asset sales and I guess what would.
Driving you to look back at the portfolio for potential asset sale.
Yes, I mean, I think we're always looking both at our existing portfolio as well as what's out there and available for us to buy and hard to really promise.
Comment on M&A before.
It happens, but we're always looking.
Certainly for us in terms of any portfolio rationalization.
Things coming out of the portfolio, it's going to be driven by things that fit or don't fit with the with the new strategy and so back to nature with it.
The first one but its one that made perfect sense, we're no longer in.
Snacks in a big way, it's not a priority for us.
Smallest cookie and cracker business, even though it's a.
A really nice business, just isn't a fit for us and so that's.
Thats the thought process there.
To the extent there is anything to update we will do so going forward.
We will be willing to bet, we will probably divest businesses in the future, but obviously, we're not going to fire sale. So we're going to be deliberate about when and how we do it but it is aligned with our strategy of what categories in portfolio pieces, we want to stay in the longer term and which ones. We don't feel we have enough scale or enough capability.
Sustained.
Okay, Great and then just one last housekeeping item I'm not sure. If you already mentioned that do you have a leverage target for yearend.
Cash with your guidance.
I wouldn't say that we've got like an official guidance number.
With regards to the leverage target, but our expectation is to bring it down below seven times by the end of the year.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad. One moment. Please while we re poll for questions.
It appears we have no further questions at this time I would like to turn the floor back over to Keith.
Miller for closing comments.
Thank you all for joining us for this quarterly earnings call and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Thank you.
This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect. Your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.
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Good day and welcome to <unk> Foods' first quarter 2023 earnings call today's call, which is being recorded is scheduled.
About one hour, including remarks by P&G fluids management and the question and answer session I would now like to turn the call over to Michael Bauer director of corporate strategy and business development for <unk>.
Mike.
Good afternoon, and thank you for joining US with me today are Casey Keller, our Chief Executive Officer, and Bruce <unk>, Our Chief Financial Officer.
You can access detailed financial information on the quarter in the earnings release, we issued today, which is available at the Investor Relations section of <unk> Foods' Dot com before.
Before we begin our formal remarks I need to remind everyone that part of the discussion today includes forward looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore undue reliance should not be placed upon them.
We refer you to <unk> annual report on Form 10-K, and subsequent SEC filings for a more detailed discussion on the risks that could impact our company's future operating results and financial condition.
<unk> undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements whether as a result of new information future events or otherwise we will also be making references on today's call to the non-GAAP financial measures adjusted EBITDA adjusted net income adjusted diluted earnings per share and base business net sales reconciliation.
All of these financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in today's earnings release.
Casey will begin the call with opening remarks, and discuss various factors that affected our results selected business highlights and his thoughts concerning the outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2023 previous will then discuss our financial results for the first quarter of 2023, and our guidance for fiscal 2023, I would now like to turn the call over to Casey.
Good afternoon. Thank you, Mike and thank you all for joining us today for our first quarter 2023 earnings call.
First quarter results continued strong pricing recovery against inflationary costs adjusted.
Adjusted EBITDA increased plus 12, 9% versus last year to $82 4 million.
Margin improved significantly with adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales at 16, 1%, increasing plus 240 basis points from Q1 2022.
Excluding items affecting comparability gross profit as a percentage of net sales improved to 22, 4% in Q1, 2023, increasing plus 300 basis points versus 19, 4% last year.
Base business net sales, which excludes net sales from the recently divested back to nature brand were down slightly at minus one 2% versus Q1 2022.
But up substantially plus three 8% versus the two year comparison to Q1 2021.
Last year Q1 sales were elevated plus five 4% growth by the higher at home demand and retailer inventory, resulting from the omicron partial lockdowns in January and February 2022.
Some key perspectives on the results inflation Q1 inflation across packaging and commodities was above last year, but has moderated from Q4 levels.
Total fiscal year 'twenty three input costs are projected to remain higher than average costs throughout 2022, particularly in the first half.
However, we are seeing declines in key commodities, including soybeans, corn wheat and fuel versus the highs reached in the middle of 2022.
Soybean oil is now trading on the spot market in the $50 to 55 range per pound range relative to the high 70% range in late spring 2022.
Pricing.
In total pricing realization, including product mix contributed $63 $2 million in Q1 versus Q1 last year.
<unk> pricing actions taken across the portfolio in 2022.
We implemented new pricing actions in February to recover higher costs on Tomatoes glass and starches, specifically on parts and Taco sauces and baking powder.
At this point, we expect that the vast majority of pricing actions are complete to recover expected inflation in 2023.
Volume Q1 sales volumes compared to a relatively high base period in Q1, 2022, which experienced higher demand and retail retailer pipeline behind the omicron partial lockdowns.
Chris go oil volumes also declined as a result of higher elasticities greater than one as the average price point crossed a key $5 per bottle threshold following baking season in Q4.
We have now lowered prices in the market to reflect lower soybean oil costs consistent with our commodity pricing approach with customers and expect to return below the key five dollar threshold in the back half of the year.
Finally in Green giant volumes continue to reflect the exit of low to no margin dollar channel can business last summer and the discontinuation of low margin innovation in our <unk> portfolio.
Despite these volume declines green giant gross profit dollars and gross profit margin were up substantially in the first quarter.
Supply and service customer service and fill rates improved during the quarter, reaching over 96% in March and sequentially, increasing from 94%, 95% in Q4.
Last year, Q1, 2022 service levels were less than 90%.
Impacted by disruptions from the Omicron Covid variant in the supply and distribution network.
Spices and seasonings.
Higher margin spices, and seasonings business extremely experienced strong growth in Q1 with net sales, increasing plus nine 6% versus last year.
Led by year over year growth in Dash Spice Islands, foodservice and new growth from license seasons, seasonings, toppings, including cinnamon toast Crunch Einstein brothers et cetera.
Service levels and production reliability also improved versus last year with fill rates, reaching 96% spy.
Spices and seasonings as a key platform for future growth and expansion with solid category growth and higher margins relative to the rest of the <unk> portfolio.
In terms of capital structure, we continue to bring down leverage in the first quarter pro forma net debt to adjusted EBITDA before share based compensation expense is now seven two times down from 764 times at the end of Q4.
We believe we are on track to reduce leverage below seven times by year end, a critical focus in a rising interest rate environment.
Bruce will discuss the balance sheet in more detail, but leverage was reduced by lower inventory and working capital and prepaying term loan debt with excess cash flow and the proceeds from the back to nature divestiture.
As we move forward, we expect to deliver continued year over year margin and adjusted EBITDA recovery in Q2 and to some extent in Q3.
Inflation is projected to moderate from historic highs in 2022 with some new inflation already covered by executed price actions.
We also expect to achieve low single digit net sales growth behind easier Covid comps service recovery restored promotional activity and lower vegetable oil pricing below key thresholds at higher volume elasticity.
Further we are continuing to reshape the P&G portfolio.
The sale of the back to nature brand to Birla America was completed in early January and as a proactive step to exit the small fragmented lower margin snacks portfolio that is outside of the future P&G foods core.
We are actively evaluating other divesture possibilities to sharpen the portfolio focus and reduce debt. We will keep you updated as plans progress.
Finally, the transition to four business units spices in flavor solutions meals frozen vegetables, and specialty is proceeding well.
And beginning to drive future performance as.
As discussed these units clarify the portfolio focus on future platforms for acquisition and push accountability down to improve management and decision making.
Business unit leadership is working to drive improved margins better managed supply and demand build stronger growth and innovation plans and optimize product lines.
As previously communicated we expect to be in a position to share business unit financial performance later this year.
Sure.
Thank you and I will now turn the call over to Bruce for more detail on the quarterly performance and outlook for the year.
Thank you Casey good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us on our first quarter 2023 earnings call.
As you can see our first quarter 2023 results reflect in many ways a continuation of the strong operating performance that we delivered in the fourth quarter of last year.
In the first quarter of 2023, we generated $511 8 million and net sales $82 4 million in adjusted EBITDA adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales was 16, 1% and adjusted diluted earnings per share of <unk> 27.
Base business net sales, which exclude net sales from the recently divested back to nature brand remained robust despite being slightly behind last year's elevated demand from partial lockdowns related to the AMA ground resurgence.
On a two year stack base business net sales increased by approximately three 8% in the first quarter of 2023, when compared to the first quarter of 2021.
Meanwhile, our profits and margins have continued to recover for example, adjusted EBITDA and our adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales continued to show a very nice improvement from the inflationary challenges that we faced throughout 2022.
Our first quarter 2023, adjusted EBITDA of $82 $4 million increased by $9 4 million or 12, 9% compared to the first quarter of 2022.
Adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales increased by approximately 240 basis points to 16, 1% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales of 13, 7% in the first quarter of 2022.
And while we are still seeing inflation across much of our portfolio. The pace of this inflation is finally slowed allowing pricing to catch up with costs and continue restoring margins in our P&L.
Separately in some cases, we are even seeing some favorability in certain commodities and other input costs in our portfolio that experienced some of the most extreme levels of inflation.
Such as soybean oil diesel fuel and overall transportation or logistics as these cost returned to more normalized levels.
Net sales were mixed across the portfolio.
Among our largest brands Clabber girl had the best performance in the quarter of 2023, and net sales were up by $6 5 million or 31% compared to the year ago period.
Clabber girl is seeing strength across all of its product lines, including baking pattern.
<unk> soda and corn starch and.
And channels, including branded retail private label and industrial.
Our spices and seasonings business also had very strong net sales performance for the first quarter of 2023 with.
With our various places and seasonings brands, including Dash tunes, and Weber and others, increasing by $8 4 million.
Or nine 6% in the aggregate compared to the year ago period.
Our spices and seasonings business has largely recovered from the supply chain challenges that we faced for much of last year and we are very much looking forward to enjoying growth in this business again.
Nipple grow forms net sales were up approximately $600000 or two 7% for the first quarter of 2023 compared to last year.
Cream of wheat was largely flat for the quarter down less than $5 million or one 7% following five consecutive quarters of net sales growth.
Cream of wheat was up $2 4 million or 13, 5% when compared to the first quarter of 2021.
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Net sales of Chriscoe were down $6 7 million or eight 4% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the prior year period, but up $14 3 million or.
Or 24, 8% compared to the first quarter of 2021.
Chris go has seen the highest levels of inflationary pressure out of all of our brands and is therefore, the brand where we have taken the highest levels of pricing.
Net sales have been positive on this brand throughout much of our ownership as the benefits from pricing have more than offset any elasticity driven volume shortfalls over the past few years.
In the first quarter of this year, however, pricing began to have a greater impact on volumes.
Fortunately with the cost for the underlying commodity coming down we have been able to increase our promotional activity and we are already seeing improved volume performance and the recent consumption data.
Our profitability on Chriscoe has remained robust despite movements in the underlying commodity.
Net sales of Green giant, including lessor were down approximately $9 9 million or seven 3% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the prior year period, although profitability of this business has seen a nice recovery following our pricing initiatives.
Net sales of Ortega were down approximately $4 2 million or nine 7% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the prior year period.
Much of the decline in the quarter involves our lapping of last year's supply recovery and the re piping for soft business.
And in fact consumption for our ticket was up two 4% for the quarter.
Net sales of Ortega were effectively flat in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the first quarters of 2021 and 2020.
Base business net sales in all other brands in the aggregate decreased by.
Zero point $7 million or 0.8% for the first quarter of 2023 as compared to the first quarter of 2022.
Gross profit was $114 2 million for the first quarter of 2023 or 22, 3% of net sales.
Excluding the negative impact of <unk> 7 million of acquisition divestiture related expenses and nonrecurring expenses included in the cost of goods sold during the first quarter of 2023. The company's gross profit would have been $114 9 million or 22, 4% of net sales.
Gross profit was $101 $3 million for the first quarter of 2022 or 19% of net sales <unk>.
Excluding the negative impact of $2 $1 million of.
<unk> divestiture related expenses and nonrecurring expenses included in the cost of goods sold during the first quarter of 2022.
The company's gross profit would have been $103 4 million or 19, 4% of net sales.
Gross profit as a percentage of net sales excluding the impact of acquisition divestiture related and nonrecurring expenses was up over 300 basis points in the first quarter of 2023 compared to last year's first quarter.
The improved margins represent a continued turnaround compared to the first three quarters of fiscal 2022, where we suffered from the severe input cost inflation that we're seeing industry wide and which led to large declines in our gross profit and margins.
Selling general and administrative expenses decreased by <unk> $1 million or 0.2% to $46 7 million for the first quarter of 2023 from $46 8 million in the first quarter of 2022.
The decrease was composed of decreases in warehousing expenses of $1 7 million cells.
Selling expenses of $1 1 million and consumer marketing expenses of $1 million.
Largely offset by increases in general and admin administrative expenses of $2 3 million and.
An acquisition divestiture related and nonrecurring expenses of <unk> $5 million.
Expressed as a percentage of net sales selling general and administrative expenses increased by three percentage points to nine 1% for the first quarter of 2023 compared to eight 8% for the first quarter of 2022.
As I mentioned earlier, we generated $82 $4 million and adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $73 million in the first quarter of 2022.
The increase in adjusted EBITDA is primarily attributable to our pricing initiatives, which finally caught up to industry wide input cost inflation and logistics inflation beginning in last year's fourth quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of net sales was 16, 1% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to 13, 7% in the first quarter of 2022.
The improvement from 240 basis points represents continued turnaround to the first three quarters of last year during which we separate decreases in margins following unprecedented industry wide input cost inflation.
Net interest expense was $39 $4 million, including approximately $2 $5 million and the amortization of financing fees in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $26 8 million in the first quarter of 2022.
The increase was primarily attributable to higher interest rates on our variable rate borrowings, partially offset by a reduction in average long term debt outstanding.
We reduced the principal amount of our long term debt by $111 million during the first quarter as compared to year end.
During the quarter, we prepaid $121 million of term loans using $71 million and net cash provided by operating activities and cash on hand, and $50 million in gross proceeds from the back to nature divestiture.
This was partially offset by an increase in our revolving loan balance of $10 million at the end of Q1 compared to last year.
Okay.
Depreciation and amortization of $18 million in the first quarter of 2023 compared to $19 8 million in the first quarter of last year.
We generated 27 and adjusted diluted earnings per share in the first quarter of 2023 compared to 29 last year.
We are very encouraged by the progress we have made over the past year in terms of restoring our P&L.
In addition to our P&L improvements I would also like to highlight some of the improvements in both our cash flows and our balance sheet.
For example, we generated $69 $5 million and net cash from operations. During the first quarter of 2023 compared to just $25 2 million in the prior year.
Improved margins and more favorable working capital were the primary driver of improved performance.
Which was offset in part by increased interest expense.
Our net cash from operations during the first quarter also benefited from the semiannual interest payment on our 2025 notes falling in the second quarter of 2023 as compared to the first quarter of 2022.
Our balance sheet also improved during the first quarter of 2023.
We reduced inventory by nearly $25 million in the quarter to $700 9 million from approximately.
<unk> $726 5 million at the end of the fourth quarter.
As you may recall, the inflationary pressures that negatively impacted our profits nearly all of last year also impacted our inventory to leading to a full year increase in inventory in 2022 of nearly $125 million.
Similarly, as I mentioned earlier, our strong net cash from operations and our sale of back to nature allowed us to reduce the principal amount of our long term debt by $111 million at quarter end as compared to last year.
Moving forward, we continue to expect the year to play out largely as we described back in late February when we released our fourth quarter 2022 results and provided our preliminary guidance for the year.
We expect 2023 to be a P&L, our profit and margin recovery year.
With performance driven by the various pricing and cost savings initiatives that we have executed over the past 12 months.
As Casey said earlier, we are also watching the impact of our pricing initiatives on elasticity in volumes. So that we can tweak our strategy if needed.
And as we look forward, we remain cautiously optimistic about our outlook for 2023 and beyond we continue to expect this year's second quarter to look similar to this year's first quarter when we compare the prior year quarters with regards to improvements in the P&L.
We also continue to expect that our third quarter will show slightly more modest improvements in 2023 versus 2022.
And we still expect a fourth quarter of 2023 to look similar in many regards to the fourth quarter of 2022 with more limited year over year improvements.
We still live in a very volatile world and we cannot appreciate the full impact of the fed's efforts to reduce inflation at this point in time or its impact on the broader economy and the consumer behavior.
However, we have all been trained to expect the unexpected over the last few years and we will make the best of the next set of challenges that we face.
In closing and based on what we know today, we are reaffirming our guidance for 2023 net sales of two three to $2 $1 7 billion.
Adjusted EBITDA of $310 million to $330 million.
And adjusted diluted earnings per share of <unk> 95 to $1 15.
As a reminder, our 2022 financials included the benefit of back to nature and every quarter of the year, while 2023 will not.
We also expect full year fiscal 2023 to include interest expense of $145 to $150 million, including cash interest expense of $140 million to $145 million.
Depreciation expense of $47 5 million to $52 $5 million.
Amortization expense of 20 million to $22 million.
An effective tax rate of 26, 5% to 27, 5% in.
And capex of $35 million to $40 million.
Now I will turn the call back over to Casey for further remarks.
Thank you Bruce and closing Q1 results demonstrated continued recovery with pricing covering inflationary costs improved margins and a positive reduction in leverage.
We remain on track to achieve stronger year over year performance in Q2 and Q3.
Further reduce leverage and deliver within guidance for fiscal year 'twenty three.
This concludes our remarks and now we would like to begin the Q&A portion of our call operator.
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Good afternoon.
Two questions for you guys.
One is that.
That was a pretty outstanding number from Clabber girl, but surprisingly you see the cloud recurring growth in the context of a down Chris Growe corner.
So maybe just some thoughts on.
What drove that.
Sure I think so.
Now with Chris Go for example, this is one of the brands in our portfolio that's had the highest <unk>.
Input cost inflation over the inflationary cycle and we were aggressive as we said we would be in terms of protecting our margins and so within Chriscoe, we actually have a pretty good.
Profit number relative to prior years, but we increased price a lot and this is a category with private label with competition and we cross some important lines for me.
From a price point and we saw some elasticity. The fortunate thing is input costs are coming down for that brand and that will ultimately be reflected in a little bit more promotion and eventually pricing.
The dynamics on that Chris go into Clabber girl business are very different. So we took pricing on clabber girl and the rest of our baking powder or baking soda portfolio in February of the first quarter to reflect higher costs on <unk>.
Starches.
Cornstarch cellulite carbonate some other things and we took pricing not only on.
Clabber girl brand in our branded powder, but we also took pricing on private label as part of kind of our annual contracts.
And agreements with retailers so.
<unk> growth is being driven by not just our branded products.
Products with pricing, but also the private label business it was priced.
Respectively to the to the commodity input increases.
Got it and then some.
Second question I had was.
I appreciate the comment.
Green giant.
Margins have improved sequentially.
And I was wondering if you could give us some context of where they are now.
Either relative to where they've been or just where they are on an absolute basis.
Yes, we haven't provided that level of detail specifically for green giant but for the quarter. The amount of improvement that we saw on the base business was pretty good green giant was actually.
Better improvement than the overall base business was just to give you some context I mean, the only other thing I would add to that is.
Yes.
Disclose obviously more specific information when we report business unit segments in the future, but the green giant frozen portfolio, where we've been really trying to improve the mix and improve the profitability.
That the gross profit margin on that business was up several hundred basis points.
That's great to hear thanks, so much for the time for us.
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Our next question comes from the line of Michael <unk> with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you good afternoon.
Hey, Michael.
Could you just.
Give a little more color on that.
Chris go pass through pricing in some of the mechanics there.
Timing lags does it have how do you think about that.
The outlook for that in terms of.
What's reflected in guidance.
Just anything you can add and also just any color on how it impacts is it meant to protect gross profit dollars or margin or can you just help us understand how to think about the rest of the year relative to all of that.
Yes sure.
Remember I think we've talked on previous calls that the that pricing strategy on Chris go that we are aligned with customers and we execute with customers is that.
We are pricing to protect gross profit dollars. So.
We basically have an arrangement that every quarter, we reset prices based on kind of.
Recent market costs on soybean oil, we reset our pricing with customers based on the input commodity costs.
And the goal there is to have pricing move up and down with the commodity buy to protect gross profit dollars. So that's how you should think about it Chris go we will protect gross profit dollars that complication becomes how much movement that we have in the input costs in half what does that do on pricing relative to volume.
What you heard us say.
On the call today is that one of the things we're learning on critical oil. So shortening has actually been a little less and less elastic on pricing, but as we crossed the $5 per threshold.
$5 per bottle threshold in the market in the first quarter because in last baking season, we were largely selling at about a $5 price point during.
During <unk> season, with more of the promotional activity, including Walmart.
As we cross that threshold in the first quarter, we began to get data that showed the elasticity is much higher once you cross that $5 Mark.
And over one so before we were saying it was kind of a <unk>.
Elasticity of 0.8, there with what we were kind of forecasting now we're seeing at once across the $5 at over one and this is the first time, we would be able to re price points to that level.
And we've now reduced the price.
With our last round of customer agreements. So it's coming back down and my expectation is because of the trend of the soybean oil input cost as we will be below $5 a bottle in the back half of the year and we will get quite a bit of volume pickup in volume recovery at a one two or whatever elasticity. So it's a little comp.
<unk> because elasticities changes you had certain price thresholds and we just didn't have any data before on that but I think you should think about as protecting gross profit.
Margin dollars with our pricing structure, but the price point may move up and down in volume and pricing effects may move around on that business as well so.
I hope that helps.
No that's helpful.
A little bit related it sounds like.
Critical pricing could take another step down and it sounds like you just did one.
Maybe more modest but.
Just putting it all together with the February pricing some of the moving parts on Chris go in the.
Easier comp.
In <unk> relative to just a smaller price hike last year or some heavier promotion with <unk> likely be the peak for pricing or would <unk> still be pretty similar how should we just think about.
One is the peak Q1 will be the peak and then I think it will come down in Q2 and Q3.
Okay, great. Thanks, so much.
And remember we haven't so we have an agreement that we price kind of.
We have about a 60 day lag in the pricing, but we based on the most recent marketing conditions, so as the prices come down.
You will still see our Chriscoe pricing model comes out and Michael the I think the important thing to remember when you think about the model.
Assuming good execution in consumer behavior that makes sense, but.
You would see potentially an impact to sales and an impact to pricing plus or minus but effectively your gross profit dollars your product contribution dollars for the brand so essentially remain.
In line.
Alright, so you might have pressure on your sales, but you'd have.
Stable EBITDA same thing when it was going on the way up we.
Input cost increases, but we were able to raise price and therefore.
Relatively neutral on the profit dollars.
And I just wanted to clarify is the follow up I was adding was total company in terms of just it would <unk> there'll be around the peak pricing level not just for Chriscoe.
I mean, we.
We really only move on a commodity pricing structure with Chriscoe. So Chris go as is the one that will move.
And I guess you mentioned some of the February pricing is that significantly we took I'm sorry, yes, yes. So we took we took we took pricing in February .
To reflect all of the new commodity increases that we're seeing new in 2023. So that's all done so yes, I don't anticipate that we're really going to take much additional pricing in the course of the year, because we basically covered inflation with the February actions that we're experiencing.
In 2023 relative to 2022.
Okay, great. Thanks, so much.
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Yes, sorry about that technical difficulty.
On that seen lines of elasticity can you give us any more color aside from chriscoe.
Which categories or brands, you see the most or at least the elasticity and if youre seeing any change in his last yesterday it tends to be kind of move through the year.
I think we've only seen Alaska changes the biggest is on Chriscoe and is across the $5 threshold, which kind of makes sense, but that that's that's probably the biggest change that we've seen most of our other businesses haven't taken the magnitude of pricing that Chriscoe has so we haven't really.
<unk> seen a big change from the last issue that we are modeling kind of at the in the Q4 timeframe. The only other one I would say is <unk>.
Green giant canned vegetables.
Alaska is a little bit higher.
From the recent reads as the price has gone up with the last pack last fall.
But not not huge.
Some increase in our last SEC from that one but for the most part.
Outside of Chris gone canned vegetables, we've seen elasticity staying pretty much in that overall average of seven eight that we've talked about before.
Okay, Great and then.
Back to nature of that sale.
Successful, but are there any further thoughts about asset sales and I guess what would.
Drive even look back at the portfolio for potential asset sale.
Yes, I mean, I think we're always looking both at our existing portfolio as well as what's out there and available for us to buy hard to really promise.
Comment on M&A.
For.
It happens, but we're always looking.
Certainly for us in terms of any portfolio rationalization.
Things coming out of the portfolio, it's going to be driven by things that fit or don't fit with the with the new strategy and so back to nature with it.
It's the first one but its one that made perfect sense, we're no longer in.
Snacks in a big way, it's not a priority for us so our smallest cookie and cracker business, even though it's a.
A really nice business, just isn't a fit for us and so.
That's the thought process there and to.
To the extent there is anything to update we will do so going forward.
We will.
We will probably divest businesses in the future, but obviously, we're not going to fire sale. So we're going to be deliberate about when and how we do it but it is aligned with our strategy of what categories in portfolio pieces, we want to stay in the longer term and which ones. We don't feel we have enough scale or enough capability to sustain.
Okay, Great and then just one last housekeeping item I'm not sure. If you already mentioned that do you have a leverage target for yearend.
Attached with your guidance.
I wouldn't say that we've got like an official guidance number.
With regards to the leverage target, but our expectation is to bring it down below seven times by the end of the year.
Okay, great. Thank you.
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