Q1 2023 Vuzix Corp Earnings Call
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the music's first quarter and 2023 ending March 31st Financial Results in Business Update Conference Call. With us today, our music CEO Paul Travers and our CFO grant Russell.
Speaker 3: Before I turn the call over to Paul, I would like to remind you that on this call, management of the Parade-Ray Marks may contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties, and management may make additional forward-looking statements during the question and answer session.
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Speaker 3: the ability to attract and retain qualified personnel, as well as changes in legal and regulatory requirements.
Speaker 3: In addition, any projections as to the company's future performance represent management's estimates as of today, May 10, 2023.
Speaker 3: He's as soon as no obligation to update these projections in the future as market conditions change.
Speaker 3: Today's call may include certain non- GAAP financial measures.
Speaker 3: When required, reconciliation is the most directly comparable financial measure calculated and presented in accordance with GAAP can be found on the company's Form 10Q filing at sec.gov, which is also available at www.vusix.com.
Speaker 3: I'll now turn the call over to the EZXE EOPOL Traverse. We'll give an overview of the company's operating results and business outlook.
Speaker 3: Paul will then turn the call over to Grant Russell, the music CFO , or provide an overview of the company's first quarter financial results.
Speaker 3: Pull will then return to make some closing remarks after which we'll move on to the Q&A session.
Speaker 3: after which we'll move on to the Q&A session. Fall?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Ed. Hello everyone and welcome to the VUXX Q1 2023 conference call. On this call we're going to review our results in recent developments and then give you some perspective on where we see things headed. Thank you.
Speaker 3: 2023 is off to a strong start. Our Q1 revenue driven entirely by record product sales and specifically sales of our smart classes was $4.2 million dollars, an increase of 67% compared to the previous year and up 44% sequentially.
Speaker 3: We have record unit sales of our flagship M400 smart glasses, mainly to support our independent software vendors and the expansion of global sales channels. Our customer channel, which I will expand upon shortly, is focused on widening our distribution network with integrators and partners that are adept at solution selling.
Speaker 3: We did not realize any engineering services sales in Q1, which was solely a function of project milestones in timing, and not a sign of demand for our OEM components and products as we move from the sales process of responding to quotes, requests, and ultimately receiving purchase orders from our customers.
Speaker 3: This is an exciting new business for Vuzix in very large markets that generate billions of dollars in revenues annually. I'll explain more on this shortly.
Speaker 3: The investments we've made to streamline our operational and sales structure, expand our product breadth and competitiveness, and advance our IP and technology over the last several years are beginning to pay dividends and will increasingly continue to do so into the future as we have invested in a strong foundation for the music to build upon.
Speaker 3: As a result, we remain bullish on our full year prospects for 2023 and believe we are well positioned and should continue to achieve overall record revenues for the full year. As our business expands, our revenue generating opportunities are continuing to grow with it. Never before in our history has Vuzix had so many paths before it to drive stronger and more profitable.
Speaker 3: further expansion of our sales channels in specific regions.
Speaker 3: increased SAS revenue from a movient acquisition, additional and larger engineering engagements from defense firms, short-term paths to production with multiple defense and enterprise firms,
Speaker 3: expectations of signing multiple new non-defense agreements by OEM and white label firms and development of contracts and initial deployments of ultra-light platform-based products.
Speaker 3: Our focus going forward will be to successfully monetize all of these opportunities and leverage our relationships to generate long-term sales and recurring programs related to smart classes, SaaS Solutions, and OEM components and products.
Speaker 3: Now I'd like to get into some detail on what we are seeing on the product side, then move on to our OEM efforts and finish with a discussion of the technologies and developments that will drive our future success and growth in both. Achieving records, my glass of sales this quarter, post the COVID pandemic is significant. Two years ago, we saw an influx of new business coming from companies that were desperate for remote video in Colossum.
Speaker 3: mental reality and business, medical, defense organizations, and ultimately by consumers represents the way of the future as entities around the world are realigning their future strategies around AI, AR glasses, and the combination of both.
Speaker 3: The expected ubiquitous use of AI across applications in areas such as education, e-commerce, healthcare, communications, defense security, and more, it's just amazing. But it fits hand-to-glove with AR smart glasses.
Speaker 3: Some simple examples include visual search, language translation, voice control, the list goes on and on, and this marriage of technologies will accelerate the need for use cases for lightweight wearable displays.
Speaker 3: Logistics, healthcare, and manufacturing are three market verticals that continue to expand and represent significant potential business for music, our ISVs, and our ecosystem partners. Google's recent decision to step away from the enterprise smart glasses market presents an opportunity for V6 to capture additional market share.
Speaker 3: We are already in discussions with a number of prior Google Glass enterprise adopters to convert them over to music smart glasses as they continue their transformation journey.
Speaker 3: The underlying trend towards enterprise-wide rollouts from numerous key Fortune 100 accounts is a very exciting development for music in the enterprise smart glasses industry in general. Industry awareness of smart glasses in enterprise continues to grow. And although the move to smart glasses is slower than we would like, there is no doubt that customers are now committing to deploying smart glasses-based solutions across their company.
Speaker 3: And as a result, we are bullish about the growth of our enterprise business in 2023.
Speaker 3: Working with our leading ISVs like Team Viewer, Logist of View, and OX in the Logistics and Warehousing spaces, music has significant accounts that have indicated that they will be rolling out our smart glasses in a major way this year. And in fact in many cases have already started. We're seeing sizable deals across all regions including the US.
Speaker 3: Latin America, Japan, Europe , and Asia. Viewtics smart glasses are being used to enhance productivity across enterprise in a multitude of environments and configurations. Whether it's healthcare, where we have customers deploying with the views displayed M400 and M4000 as they go to the voices of choice.
Speaker 3: to warehousing and logistics in industry 4.0.
Speaker 3: Our newest announced win in the healthcare space was with Proximate. Their PXLens product based on the V6M 4000 allows users to collaborate live on procedures and share surgical content from anywhere, as well as securely record and store procedural videos to let surgeons build a library of their own content
Speaker 3: to review and share, as well as analyze operating room practices to improve on patient safety and productivity.
Speaker 3: Our Smart Glasses product family now offers a standardized Android 11 operating system for the mute that we have.
Speaker 3: M400 and M4000 and the Vuzix Shield. The advancement to Android 11 enables a variety of key benefits including increased security, improved user experience, easier integration with a variety of third-party mobile device management software packages and enablement of advanced Android features within third-party apps. On the software side, movie and SaaS solution which was developed in a...
Speaker 3: significant market opportunity to support traditional warehousing hardware. And our plan is to introduce music smart classes as an upgrade for hands-free picking into these environments.
Speaker 3: Moovient's solution has already proven to be very sticky for end customers, and we're focused on expanding our existing customer footprint and bringing on additional customers in select markets and niches. We're also continuing to advance the underlying software platform, which will enable Vuzix over time to broaden our go-to-market strategy for customers.
Speaker 3: and ISVs within the warehousing and logistics market verticals.
Speaker 3: We continue to expand our Global Sales Channel with a focus on solution selling to best service and support the end customers.
Speaker 3: Expanding our global channel is important for our long-term growth as it allows the music as a company to effectively multiply our sales team with minimal investment in core regions across the globe. We're targeting mature companies that have an established ecosystem and integrators.
Speaker 3: ISVs and end customers. Recent engagements with value added distributors have included MACE virtual labs.
Speaker 3: which services the U.S. and Tabara Electronics, which services the Middle East and Northern Africa. Over the last 12 months, music's developed and implemented a sales channel portal that brings us closer to our channel partners to share product information, marking materials, and more.
Speaker 3: The implementation of our sales channel portal, alongside our efforts to streamline our operations with the recent opening and establishment of new offices, and corporate entities in Germany and Japan are helping improve sales and customer support in these areas and also help to reduce overall costs.
Speaker 3: Germany and Japan are two examples of countries that are geographically situated to address significant local and regional market opportunities, which not only increase music's ability to better serve our customers and partners, but also show our commitment to these strategic growing markets.
Speaker 3: We believe these structural enhancements will allow us to provide local staffing, a stronger regional presence, enhance or localize knowledge and result in higher customer confidence and sell through into these and other regional markets.
Speaker 3: The formalization of our OEM Design and Manufacturing Group in 2022 helps streamline our OEM efforts to respond to requests for inputs and formal requests for quotes for our waveguide-based solutions and in most cases display engines to go with them.
Speaker 3: It is interesting to note that it takes very specialized skills to design and manufacture waveguide optics and the display engines that go with them. And there are very few companies that have in-house staff with the knowledge to do it.
Speaker 3: They are not able nor willing to bring it in-house.
Speaker 3: This is why our OEM business is being received with such open arms.
Speaker 3: Viewsics can spend a new design in three to four months, while the few competitors out there take 18 months for a new design, if they would even entertain trying to meet the customer's requirements at all. We have done hundreds of designs, while the competitors can only support the one or two that they are currently trying to ship. The fact is, in this business, one size does not fit all, and our fast turn in years of...
Speaker 3: Commercial aviation enterprise in the broader AR consumer markets.
Speaker 3: The defense head mounted display markets today consists mainly of night vision devices and head mounted information displays. The night vision device market alone is estimated to reach a value of 8.1 billion in 2027 according to strategy research. According to markets and markets the head mounted display market is expected to reach 6.4 billion in 2027.
Speaker 3: that have been or are developing our waveguides into their head mounted display programs.
Speaker 3: Some are full custom waveguides and engines, while others will employ our standard waveguide and display-ins and offerings. We anticipate several of these defense accounts to begin full-scale production by the end of this year and going into the first half of 2024. The potential revenue from these companies for music could amount to hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: for several specific programs and tens of millions for other smaller opportunities. We clearly have to go win the business, but the business looks like it will be fantastic for views when we do. And these represent a fraction of the overall multi-billion dollar market potential. Waveguides and display engines are needed for all kinds of applications around information.
Speaker 3: to produce waveguides in volume out of our U.S. manufacturing facility here in the greater Rochester, New York area. These new facilities have the ability to produce both small and large format waveguides. Waveguides that are 10 times larger than that needed for AR glasses. Meaning we can now manufacture waveguides to support not only head-mounted displays
Speaker 3: but also large format head up displays for using ground vehicles to aircraft cockpits just like the heads up display in the windshield of a luxury car.
Speaker 3: According to a markets and markets industry report, the market size for commercial head-up displays, including aviation, is anticipated to grow to $6.4 billion by 2027, up from a current $2.4 billion in 2022.
Speaker 3: growing at a compounded annual growth rate of 21%.
Major players such as BAE systems, LBET systems, Honeywell Aerospace, Rockwell Collins, and Talis group are currently selling large complex aviation heads up displays for well into the six figure range per aircraft. Factors such as increasing awareness about
passenger and vehicle safety are driving the growth of the market during the forecasted period. The USICS has just started to approach this market and with our new manufacturing capabilities, we already have companies reaching out to work with us. Our waveguides and microLED display engines taken together can offer a significant reduction in the needed space and cost to implement the heads-up display within the precious little space available inside the aircraft.
According to AR Insider, quote, the entire smart augmented reality glasses market revenue is projected to grow to 17.7 billion by 2025.
a 61.8% compounded annual growth rate. Specifically, enterprises expect it to grow to 1.8 million units by 2025.
Consumer AR glasses will trail enterprise in early years, but will pull ahead in later years.
Why is this? The consumer AR market barriers will alleviate over time through improving standards, and specs for consumer grade smart glasses around size, weight, style, etc. Unquote.
In fact, we feel Vuzix Ultralight Platform is the first AR glasses solution that solves for these critical issues.
along with the most important basic requirement of delivering the number one issue. And that is the need for prescriptions for the 64% of users that need glasses just to see.
Viewsix has IP around prescription-based waveguides. And based on our research and ongoing discussions with iGlass brands, we will believe we will be able to drop our prescription-based waveguides right into their current supply chains for prescriptions.
The ultra light platform was announced about four months ago, and because it is utilizing the latest micro LED technology and waveguides from the music, the form factor is the first smart glasses form factor that appeals to the broader markets. Because of this, we already have an array of potential customers lining up. The ultra light platform was announced about four months ago, and the first smart glasses form factor is the first smart glasses form factor that appeals to the broader markets.
for multiple consumer market areas, including the fashion glasses industry. And I have to say, in the 26 years I've been doing this, I have never seen that industry salute smart glasses until now.
The sporting goods industry, the wireless phone industry, the entertainment and gaming industry and more. The customers in these markets are talking tens to hundreds of thousands of devices to address what they see as their market needs.
The music's ultra light platform will start production by the end of this year and should be going to market with multiple well-known brands through 2024. I would like to now take a few minutes to share some details on the intellectual property position. Music has been built over the years.
First, we feel that our current market capitalization does not fully reflect the vast amount of intellectual property we have created in a market that is touted by industry experts to be in the trillions of dollars within a decade.
I would like to help frame this better for everyone and let's start with our patents. The Vuzix patent portfolio currently includes 308 patents and patents pending. This breaks down to 173 issued patents and 135 pending applications. Our portfolio covers a broad range of technologies including several applications,
portfolio stems from our vast collection of waveguide design patents and applications making up roughly one-third of the portfolio.
Traditionally, multiple waveguides are needed within a display to achieve multiple colors.
A number of our patents and patents pending are directed to designing the diffractive optics of a waveguide to allow for multiple colors within a single waveguide, or a reduced number of waveguides. The compact designs that we have developed allow significant weight reduction of the overall system while maintaining color performance, allowing Vuzix to lead the industry with lightweight efficiency.
fashion-forward eyewear products. We have also focused on designs that reduce crosstalk between color channels within a single waveguide and allow for more compact solutions that offer more pupil expansion and fit in tighter spaces. We have several applications and patents directed to optical coupling mechanisms.
example prisms that allow us to fold projectors into places and positions virtual images in space without compromising our design and tense. Several patents are directed to our fixed focus technology that allows us to change focal distances of virtual objects without the addition of extra push pull optics around the waveguide.
to position the virtual image in space. This again allows for the work to be done without adding more heavy and expensive optics.
We also have patents and pending applications directed to methods for building better waveguides.
example, making them flatter and more parallel than as possible with other methods that improves resolution or sharpness of the virtual image and methods for making waveguides that utilize defective optics on the top and bottom surfaces of the same waveguide.
We also have patents that leverage different multi-projector solutions and ways of layering gradings across multiple parts of a waveguide stack to create larger fields of view.
On a system level, we have applications that are directed to expanding our prescription capabilities beyond a simple insert and providing some customization in the form factor and fit of a pair of fashion-forward smart glasses.
Some of our latest filings include methodologies for incorporating complex, stronger scripts and the same compact space so the wave guide becomes part of a fully custom pair of glasses. And some designs incorporating replaceable components including custom lenses and custom nose bridge designs. The Zewsix also has a large trained secret weapon.
I hope you can understand but we just can't share how our Coca-Cola is made. Add to this our patents and trade secrets regarding replication in double-sided formats and Vuzix is the complete package.
Finally, our core patents are layered atop the original core Nokia patents in this space. These patents range from stacking to wide field of view to to the grading arrangements for compact designs. And of course, our agreements can flow through to our OEM customers, providing access to these basic protections.
Bottom line, we feel VUZX has the best intellectual property position of any other company in this critical area of the AR Glasses space. Clearly, waveguides and micro LED displays are essential components for lightweight AR smart glasses and other wearables.
and our ability to design and fabricate waveguides in high volume and at low cost is second to none. From specification to design to mold production to replication to test and system integration, we do it all in-house in our New York facility.
We can customize a ground-up system based on specifications, offer a reference design, or provide design parameters so we can build to print based on a customer's own waveguide layout. We can make them small or large and we can turn the design around quickly. Our expertise and capabilities in this area are unmatched.
in our opinion substantially undervalued relative to our current market capitalization.
And we're going to push and leverage these advantages as hard as we can. The significant advancements in our core technology we are making behind closed doors to our waveguide manufacturing processes will fortify Vuzix's position to play a critical role in an industry that should ultimately represent many billions of dollars of revenue annually.
Our waveguide manufacturing expansion is being implemented in our recently released facility, which provides an additional 12,000 square foot of manufacturing space adjacent to our existing plant. This new facility is designed to support our latest waveguide technologies. Increase our unit capacity.
significantly lower the unit cost to manufacture our waveguides for ourselves and our OEM customers. The new facilities will also focus on the advancement of higher index materials, advanced glass substrates, and unique formulation technologies. We expect optical component waveguides and parts to be coming out of this facility during the second half of 2023.
In the meantime, our current facility continues to meet the needs of this growing part of our business.
The ability to produce RGB micro LEDs on a single substrate that still have high efficiency color remains incredibly difficult. However, there have been varying degrees of success to date by some, but just barely to an acceptable level, and no one is shipping anything that's full color yet.
in this space. Through both partnerships and investments, many of which we will not publicize for competitive reasons. Of course, our highest profile development in this area is the agreement we signed with Adamistik roughly one year ago. While we have been short on specifics today, I can say that Adamistik, with its very novel approach, is making great progress.
great potential to create incredibly advanced full color high efficiency micro LED displays.
displays that have the potential to upend the entire smart glasses industry, and quite frankly, the display industry in general. With full color, exceptionally bright, and all-day battery performance to be incorporated in a fashion-forward smart glasses form factor that everyone will wear. I'd like to now pass the call over to Grant for his financial review.
The three-month end of March 31st, 2023, was 4.2 million as compared to 2.5 million for the prior 2022 period, and overall increase of 67%.
Revenue increased with so the result of higher product sales as we did not realize any engineering services Revenue in Q1. Please note we have remaining performance obligations of just under 0.2 million On a current wave-dive development project which we expect to complete and recognize as Revenue in Q2 of 2023
Product sales were primarily driven by record unit sales of our M400 smart glasses, partially offset by higher average sales discounts due to larger volume or reseller sales as compared to those in the same period of 2022. There was an overall gross profit of .9 million.
or 21% for the three months ended March 31, 2023, as compared to a gross profit of 0.5 million, or 19% for the same period in 2022. The improvement was due to our increased sales, which resulted in further manufacturing overhead absorption.
was $2.5 million as compared to $2 million for the 2022 period, an increase of 26%, largely due to increases in staff compensation expenses due to headcount increases.
General and administrative expenses for the three months ended March 31, 2023, was $5.1 million, a decrease of 6% versus $5.5 million in the prior year's period. The decline was largely due to a decrease in non-cash stock compensation expense related to our 2021 performance-based long-term incentive plan.
Appreciation and amortization more than tripled $1 million for the three-month ended March 31st, 2023 versus the prior years period. The bulk of the increase was due to the amortization of the technology license without a mistake, which was not in place in Q1 of 2022.
The net loss for the three months ended March 31, 2023 was $10.2 million or $0.16 per share versus a net loss of $10.5 million or $0.16 per share for the same period in 2022.
Now for some balance sheet highlights. Our balance sheet remains strong with cash and cash equivalents of $63.2 million as of March 31, 2023, and a network and capital opposition of $67 million.
$1 million decrease in inventory's and vendor prepayments and a $0.6 million reduction in accounts receivable.
Cash used for investing activities for the first quarter of 2023 was $4.7 million as compared to $0.2 million in the prior years period as we made further investments of $2.3 million in our WABE Guide expansion project and made a $2 million payment towards our adamistic technology licensing fee commitment.
As of March 31st, 2023, the company continues to have no current or long-term debt obligations outstanding, other than the currently outstanding license fee commitments to add amistic.
Looking forward to the balance of 2023 and 2024. If we are confident that we have the resources to actually get our growth business plan and further invest in our future. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to Paul. Thanks, Grant. As a public company, we are well aware of the importance of growth, profitability, and positive cash flow as key drivers of a stock market valuation. As our revenues continue to grow.
our line of sight to achieving profitable operations get clearer and nearer. We expect the pace of our growth in the coming months and quarters will continue and with it our operating cash runway will get longer and of course our path to profitability will get shorter. It is a focused effort for our music and as Grant just said we have all the resources we need to execute our plans going forward.
Finally, the music's annual shareholder meeting is on June 15th and will be held in person this year. We will have an open house and will be providing tours of some portions of our amazing new facilities. We look forward to seeing everyone here at the music's West Henry at a site. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to the operator.
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The first questions come from the line of Matt Van Vliet with BTIG. Please proceed with your questions. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Paul, you've mentioned a number of the, I guess, transportation logistics.
and warehousing deals that have been signed over the last year or two and a lot of those projects being in early stage and now reaching more of a mainstream deployment. But curious if you could help us characterize sort of where in the process or of the overall scope of a number of those projects. How many of you?
that we work with, the ISVs, the TeamViewer folks, themeviewers, aux, and the dividend surveys group,
They all have programs. In some cases, multiple companies that are starting to roll out, these are not, maybe they're going to do a rollout. At least two or three of these, they are rolling out.
physically filling up distribution centers and they're part of the base in the growing base of our growing revenues that we talked about. I will say still in Q1 and even in Q2 it won't be a significant impact from these in the better half of the year it's going to be the really
Much more steeper part of the rollout with these guys our second quarter is looking great We don't need those guys to necessarily roll out faster. Although the faster they do the better for us There's no doubt about that, but to give you a maybe a quantified number It's I would say hundreds of shifts thus far and it'll start to go into the thousands as we get into the fall of the year Okay, very helpful and
I guess bringing a lot more production capacity online, how much at this point is earmarked for a number of the projects already under contract or in some capacity already negotiated versus looking at opportunities ahead, maybe things in the pipeline that haven't received any substantial orders yet.
for the year kind of a thing out of the new facility. Let me say that the new facility does more for us than just capacity, Matt, though you know there's things that we're doing with some of these high-performance wave guides and the defense side and the likes that need higher index materials and a bunch of other things that I would be boring for you to hear but there's a whole bunch of things this new facility brings us.
I can also say that some of the broader market opportunities that we have, without this facility giving these upgrades, we would not be able to meet the capacitor requirements in next year for sure. I mean our ultralight starts shipping before the end of this year. We're talking to some very large partners in this regard that they just...
They don't do these things unless there's volume and their expectations are pretty significant. And our plant will be busy in 2024 delivering to it.
This facility has the ability to grow. We can rent the entire facility. We have options for it as our business grows and increases our intentions are to expand, to address the market as they grow even further. This is the beginning.
of the tip of an iceberg, man. The broader markets are literally, it's going to sell in cell phone, smartphone, kinds of quantities, these smart glasses. And when you finally solve this problem of that sexy looking field, glasses that people will actually wear, it changes everything. And so we're not in an okay spot right now. We're going to be, I think.
under the pressure next year, but we'll have enough in capacity, but then we're going to have to look at expanding again as the business unfolds.
Yeah, that was it. All right, thank you. And then Grant, just maybe a modeling question on sort of the extra capacity and the cost side of things. At current volume levels, or at least committed current volumes maybe through the second or third quarter.
How are we looking at a gross margin trajectory as the new capacity is coming online later this year and into 24 and how much of that is sort of an upfront investment that we should contemplate having more of a return later on then.
We spent a little over 2.3 million, I think, in Q1, and we got some more to go, but it's mainly CapEx as far as operating costs. I mean, it's.
It's not going to be huge for us and we will stop accordingly. So we're trying to keep the capacity.
Capabilities as variable as possible, so it's not going to be have a material impact on our. Ongoing operating costs, I will say the good part of our volumes picking up. Is that as they do the cost of manufacture per unit goes down because the overheads get.
kind of spread out over the unit volumes and you should see margins get better and better through the year because of that. All right, great. Thank you. Our next question is come from the line of Jane Maplery with Dawson James. Please proceed with your questions. Yeah, thank you and good evening.
Paul, in your commentary, it...
Maybe I'm just imagining this, but it sounded like you would need to increase expenses for some of these initiatives. Did I hear that correctly? Or am I just making that up? No, short of what we're spending on the new facility, which I mean we're very clear on what that is, I think.
If they're customized, Jim, they're paying the play. So it doesn't come out of our pocket. It's engineering fees that our partners pay. Once they're in production, they're in production. And on the defense side of this stuff, our margins are wonderful. To Matt's earlier question, those programs actually met great margins for the users.
and it's not costing us more. Our team that we have here right now is all we need to be very effective at executing to, I believe to get to the point to where VU6 doesn't break even. All right, thank you. I think I just confused something that you were saying. Thank you on that. And on the defense side, I'm still a little bit confused on the...
Not necessarily the timing, but on...
not necessarily the timing, but on where you are with your
I'm assuming you're working with with multiple partners on multiple bids.
Have these relationships been formalized? Are you exclusive on some of these bids that are out there? Are you displacing somebody? I'm just trying to understand a little bit better.
The aiming arrangements you might have on the defense side of the work. Really, it's a great question, Jim. And in some cases, we are replacing alternatives that are in the market. And those alternatives are coming from sources that aren't necessarily the best sources when you're in the US military.
If there are some Asian sources, just are not the best place to be buying things that need to go to the US military. So you might imagine. So in those cases it's replacement. In other cases, we don't necessarily have a stated exclusivity, but I'm telling you, it takes so much time and energy to get to the point where you can deliver the waveguides we can make.
that it's not like people have options. They really don't. So they're coming to music because we are the de facto standard. As far as how far along we are, in some cases, these guys are using our in-house versions of wide field-of-view optics and engines that we've built.
they've already got them designed into the gizmos and so that's why I tried to explain that by this fall slash towards the end of this year we have several of these defense based programs that we anticipate will be going into production we have one in an enterprise mode that also we feel will be going into production
this year in the fourth quarter, you start to see revenue that's on the only-am side of the fence that is production product. And of course, it should accelerate nicely into 2024. There are other programs that they've got a longer runway. They could be a couple of three years out, but it's just an age with a beast here. Sometimes it's quick and sometimes it takes more time to get to design finished. Great. That's all, Paul. Thank you. And my last one is on-
Adam, can you update us on any milestones that they have hit? Have there been any milestones where they have not delivered?
Can you update us on any milestones that they have hit? And have there been any milestones where they have not delivered at the expected time? We?
I would, I don't know how to gauge against the expected time. I'd rather not touch that 1. I will say that. Milestone notwithstanding, these folks are making some amazing progress that I personally think is ahead of schedule in some ways. In other ways.
And quite frankly, it's almost just like they got to turn the crank on a couple of these milestones. So I would suggest that there are milestones that they've already had in some cases.
So it's a bit of a mixed-mode answer there. I will say it's darn exciting and I really wish I could share more, but they're making great progress.
Thank you. That's it for me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Everybody again, thank you very much for listening in. We look forward to a phenomenal Q2. I think it's going to be more exciting than our Q1 was. And the back half of this year is going to be even more exciting than that. We're on a great track this year. It will be great to unfold some of the announcements we have about relationships right on through the revenue streams and margin growth, etc.
It's exciting times of music. Thanks again for listening in. I hope folks can make it to our annual shareholders meeting. We've got some really cool soft to share. And I think a nice agenda of discussions that we'll be sharing at the same time. Thanks everybody and have a great evening. Thank you. That does conclude today's telecomments. We appreciate your participation. May disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.