Q4 2023 Oracle Corp Earnings Call
Speaker 1: and any applicable amendments for a complete discussion of these factors and other risks that may affect our future results or the market price of our stock. And finally we are not obligating ourselves to revise our results or these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. Before taking questions we'll begin with a few prepared remarks.
Speaker 1: And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Safra.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Ken, and good afternoon, everyone. As you can see, Q4 was another fantastic quarter and the end of a great year. But before I get to the numbers, I'd like to go over our journey to get here. Three years ago, I shared with you that our own business transfer...
Speaker 2: Now, I don't blame you for not believing me at the time. The fiscal year 2020 growth was zero.
Speaker 2: Well, as you can see, this has played out with organic revenue growth accelerating significantly. And that's despite the closure of our nearly half a billion dollar Russia business.
Speaker 2: Since fiscal year 2020, our strategic back office SaaS business has more than doubled in size, and consumption of our Gen2 cloud infrastructure service is now seven times larger.
Speaker 2: And while competitors have seen their growth rates drop precipitously over the last year, our cloud infrastructure growth rate has essentially doubled from last year to 77% this quarter. And with Gen 2 OCI growth…
Speaker 2: even higher. And we're far from done. In fact, I just told my team, I think we're at about the middle of the beginning. Looking ahead, I see even more growth opportunities that should help power future growth acceleration in the future.
Speaker 2: We remain committed to the fiscal year 2026 targets that we shared with you last fall at our financial analyst meeting and our exploding AI demand leaves us significant upside.
Speaker 2: Our momentum has been driven by two fundamental differences from our competition. One, highly differentiated technology, and two, a much better customer experience.
Speaker 2: Firstly, our cloud applications are very popular with a growing base of customers in part because we are the most modern, comprehensive, and innovative set of apps across back office, CX, and industry applications.
Speaker 2: We implemented AI machine learning capabilities years before anyone was talking about it, and it helps our customers run their businesses every day. To complete the picture, we can serve customers of any size around the world, from small businesses on NetSuite, to small businesses on Amazon.
Speaker 2: to global enterprise on fusion in all industries.
Speaker 2: Having the best cloud application technology has helped us grow the business to $11 billion in SaaS revenue while expanding gross margins.
Speaker 2: On the infrastructure side,
Speaker 2: We're seeing more and more media articles reporting on the unique capabilities of OCI and our database technologies. Larry will explain our unique differentiation in a moment, but the result is that customers are choosing to run on Oracle infrastructure.
Speaker 2: for all their requirements, be they new services like AI training or services we're known for, like database and Java. To complement the technology, we've changed our culture such that we are totally focused on our customers' success.
Speaker 2: That partnership spirit starts with engineering as we work hand in hand with companies as they try out our technology and continues all the way through their success with us. There's no question that this close partnership with our customers has led to our success.
Speaker 2: As part of that, we've also created an organization called Customer Success Services or CSS. This group ensures that customers get the most value from their Oracle purchases, from planning to activation to implementation to support to anything else they need to succeed.
Speaker 2: We think this unique approach, which customers already tell us they love, ultimately drives overall customer satisfaction, and that results in higher renewal rates, expansion rates, and references.
Speaker 2: Now, I'll turn to Q4, as always. I'll discuss financials using constant currency growth rates and also provide a full picture I'm going to share with you results including and some excluding CERNers so that you have it all.
Speaker 2: Total cloud revenues, SAS plus IS, was $4.4 billion, up 55%, with IS revenue of $1.4 billion, up 77%, and SAS revenue of $3 billion, up 47%. Excluding Cerner, total cloud revenue.
Speaker 2: SAS Plus IS was up more than 33% at $3.8 billion.
Speaker 2: Total cloud services and license support revenue for the quarter was $9.4 billion, up 25 percent driven again by our strategic cloud applications, autonomous database, and our Gen2 OCI. Application subscription revenues
Speaker 2: which include product support, were $4.4 billion, up 37%.
Speaker 2: application specific revenues including support, but excluding Cerner, worth 3.4 billion.
Speaker 3: up
Speaker 2: 11%. SAS Cloud revenue, again excluding Cerner, was $2.4 billion, was up 17%. Our strategic back office SAS applications now have an annualized revenue of $6.6 billion and grew 24%, including Fusion ERP up 28%.
Speaker 2: NetSuite ERP up 24%. Together our strategic back office businesses are now larger and have grown faster than our local competitor for four straight years.
Speaker 2: Infrastructure subscription revenues, which also includes support, were $5 billion, up 15%. As mentioned already, infrastructure cloud services revenue was up 77%, excluding legacy hosting services.
Speaker 2: Infrastructure cloud services revenue grew 89 percent with an annualized revenue of $5.2 billion, including OCI consumption revenue, which was up 112 percent. Cloud at customer consumption revenue was up 60 percent. An autonomous database was up.
Speaker 2: 47 percent.
Speaker 2: Database subscription revenues, which include database support, were up 6 percent highlighted by Cloud database services, which were up 41 percent. As on-premise databases migrate to the Cloud and Cloud and customer, we expect these Cloud database services to be up 4 percent.
Speaker 2: will be a third leg of revenue growth and revenue growth acceleration alongside that cost assessed and Gen 2 OCI cloud services.
Speaker 2: Software licensed revenues were $2.2 billion, down 14%, following the 25% growth we saw a year ago in Q4. So all in total revenues for the quarter, including Serna's revenue contribution of 1.5 billion, or 13.8 billion, up 18%.
Speaker 2: Shifting to margins, the gross margin percentage for cloud services and licensed support was 78% as a result of the mix between support and cloud. Last year, Oracle licensed support revenues with its mid 90s gross margins, and the growth margin was 78%.
Speaker 2: represented about 62% of cloud services and license support revenue and now it's down to 53%. But this is happening because our cloud services are growing much much faster than license support even as license support continues to grow. Most importantly
Speaker 2: gross profit dollars of cloud services, and license support grew 19% with Cerner, 10% excluding Cerner in Q4. Additionally, I would note that IS gross margins improved substantially.
Speaker 2: from last year and I expect IS gross margins will continue to improve.
Speaker 2: While we have continued to build data center capacity, we've also seen our margins go higher as these new cloud regions fill up.
Speaker 2: non-GAAP operating income was $6.2 billion.
Speaker 2: up 12% from last year. The operating margin was 44% as we continued to integrate Cerner. As we drive Cerner profitability to Oracle standards and continue to benefit from economies of scale in the cloud.
Speaker 2: We will not only continue to grow operating income, but we will also grow the operating margin percentages.
Speaker 2: The non-GAAP tax rate for the quarter was 9.2%, and the non-GAAP EPS was $1.47 in US dollars, up 8% in USD, 10% in constant currency, the GAAP EPS was $1.19.
Speaker 2: For the full fiscal year, total company revenue was $50 billion, up 22%, and excluding revenue, total revenue grew 7%. Total application subscriptions were 35% and 10%, excluding Cerner, compared to 8% last year.
Speaker 2: and total infrastructure grew 10% compared with 5% growth last year. Clearly, our revenue growth continues to accelerate again this year as investments into our cloud businesses are paying off. Total cloud services and license support revenue.
Speaker 2: with $35.3 billion, up 21%. Total cloud services by itself were up 50% to $15.9 billion. And excluding Cerner, total cloud services were up 29% to $13.6 billion.
Speaker 2: and with revenue growth acceleration in both strategic back office cloud applications, which were up 27% for the year, and cloud infrastructure services, which were up 63% for the year.
Speaker 2: non-GAAP EPS was $5.12 in USD, up 4% in USD, and up 10% in constant currency. The full year operating margin percentage was 42%.
Speaker 2: At quarter end, we had nearly 10.2 billion dollars in cash and marketable securities. In the short term, deferred revenue balance was 9 billion. Up 9% operating cash flow for the quarter was up 42%.
Speaker 2: at $5.6 billion while free cash flow was up 46% at $3.7 billion. Now over the last four quarters.
Speaker 2: Operating cash flow was $17.2 billion, up 80% from last year, as we're now seeing cash flow benefit from our cloud transformation.
Speaker 2: With capital expenditures of $8.7 billion this year, free cash flow was $8.5 billion, up from $5 billion last year. And I expect that we will see very good results in our fiscal 24 free cash flow.
Speaker 2: The remaining performance obligation or RPO balance is 67.9 billion up 47% in constant currency due to strong cloud bookings as well as Cerner. I would also note that organic RPO was 15% in constant currency.
Speaker 2: as a result of our customers burning through their commitments at a heightened rate. I expect that you'll see this number run up as customers reload and new customers sign up. Approximately 49% of total RPO.
Speaker 2: Is expected to be recognized as revenue over the next 12 months.
Speaker 2: CatEx was 1.9 billion in 2004 and 8.7 billion for fiscal year 2023 as we continue to build capacity for existing bookings and our customers growing needs. Our investment strategy for adding capacity remains to build many, many identical.
Speaker 2: cloud region. Our starting point is smaller which allows us to go where competitors cannot and this continues to be an advantage for us.
Speaker 2: Given the demand we have and see in our pipeline, I've increased our cap projection and I'm now expect the fiscal 2024 will be similar to this year's.
Speaker 2: I also expect our Gen 2 OCI business will have another excellent year of revenue growth as existing centers fill up and new centers come online. As always, we remain careful to pace our investments appropriately and in line with booking trends.
Speaker 2: Microsoft Azure, giving customers true multi-cloud capabilities. We have many, many clouded customer implementations, 10 dedicated regions, and 9 more planned. And lastly, we have 9 national security regions live with immense demand for more.
Speaker 2: As we've said before, we're committed to returning value to our shareholders through technical innovation, strategic acquisition, stock repurchases, prudent use of debt, and a dividend. This fiscal year, we repurchased 17 million shares.
Speaker 2: for a total of $1.3 billion. In addition, we paid out dividends of $3.7 billion over the last 12 months, and the board of directors declared a quarterly dividend of $0.40 per share. Now to guidance. And as I've said before, our fundamental principle is to grow EPS while substantially increasingky population for our single personnel.
Speaker 2: Cloud revenue growth. Let me turn to my guidance for Q1, which I'll review on a non-GAAP basis, like everything else. If currency exchange rates remain as they are now, currency should have a 0 to 1% positive effect on total revenue and a 1 cent positive effect on APS in Q1. However,
Speaker 2: Actual currency impact may be different. Total revenues for Q1, including Cerner, are expected to grow from seven to 9% in constant currency and are expected to grow from eight to 10% in USD at today's exchange rate.
Speaker 2: Additional upside depends on how fast we can put out even more capacity to our customers.
Speaker 2: Total cloud revenue, again, excluding Cerner, is expected to grow from 28 to 30% in constant currency and 29 to 31 in USD. non-GAAP EPS is expected to grow between 8 to 12% and be between $1.11 and $1.15 in constant currency.
Speaker 2: non-GAAP EPS is expected to grow between 9 to 13 percent and be between $1.12 and $1.16 in USD. My EPS guidance assumes a base tax rate of 19.5. However, as you see nearly every quarter,
Speaker 2: One-time tax events could cause actual tax rates to vary.
Speaker 2: Now, before I finish, let me also give you some initial thoughts on fiscal year 2024. As I described, and Larry will elaborate in depth, we are seeing unprecedented demand for our cloud services and especially our AI services.
Speaker 2: As a result, I expect cloud revenue, excluding Cerner, will continue growing at at least similar rates to what we experienced in fiscal 2023, even though our base is much bigger and may be higher.
Speaker 2: As our high growth cloud revenues are becoming a larger, larger portion of total revenue. We are seeing an acceleration of our total revenue growth. I expect this trend will continue in fiscal 2024. And of course, we also expect to deliver.
Speaker 2: A higher non-GAAP operating margin percentage.
Speaker 2: This coming year as well. Okay. Before I hand off to Larry.
Speaker 2: I want to take a moment to thank our customers for making fiscal year 2023 such an enormous success. You've been wonderful partners and we thank you for your trust in us. And I want to thank our employees for being focused on advancing our customers' mission so spectacularly.
Speaker 2: Some of you are new and many of you have been with us for years, in fact, even decades. And I think you all see that our best days are, in fact, ahead of us.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your loyalty and for your incredibly hard work. And thank you, Larry, our CTO, our chairman, and our founder, for leading with brilliant determination and vision and allowing us to all be part of this incredible journey.
Speaker 2: which is just getting started. Thanks, Larry. With that, I'll turn it over to you for your comments.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Safra. The hardware and software in Oracle's Gen2 cloud is fundamentally different than other hyperscalers clouds.
Speaker 4: The CPUs and GPUs we rent to customers are interconnected using an ultra-high performance RDMA network plus a dedicated set of cloud control computers that manage security and data privacy.
Speaker 4: Oracle's unique set of hardware and software building blocks.
Speaker 4: Enable our Gen2 cloud to deliver much higher performance.
Speaker 4: Gen2 cloud to deliver much higher performance than any of our cloud competitors.
Speaker 4: and in the cloud.
Speaker 4: And in the cloud, since you pay by the minute.
Speaker 4: If you run twice as fast and we do.
Speaker 4: If you run twice as fast, and we do, you pay half as much.
Speaker 4: What is especially interesting in today's world is that
Speaker 4: What is especially interesting in today's world is that all of Oracle's pilot data centers.
Speaker 4: have a high bandwidth low latency RDMA network.
Speaker 4: that is perfectly optimized.
Speaker 4: for building the large-scale GPU clusters that are used to train generative large language models.
Speaker 4: NVIDIA themselves are doing AI development in the Oracle Gen2 cloud.
Speaker 4: And we are partnering with NVIDIA to build the world's largest high-performance computer, an AI computer.
Speaker 4: with 16,000 GPUs. The extreme high performance and related cost savings of running generative AI workloads in our Gen2 cloud has made Oracle the number one choice.
Speaker 4: among cutting-edge AI development companies.
Speaker 4: AI development companies, including
Speaker 4: MosaicML, Adept AI, Cohere
Speaker 4: Adept AI, Cohere, Modal Labs,
Speaker 4: Character.
Speaker 4: Character. Hyperreal.
Speaker 4: SliceX, VectorSpaceBio, Falconry, Respeacher, Altair, InfoWorld.
Speaker 4: Vectorspace Bio, Falconry, Respeacher, Altair, Infoworld, 12 Labs,
Speaker 4: latent space plus many, many others. In the aggregate, our generative AI cloud customers have recently signed contracts to purchase more than 2 billion dollars of capacity in Oracle's Gen 2 cloud.
Speaker 5: One last thing.
Speaker 4: In partnership with Cohere, Oracle is launching a generative AI cloud service.
Speaker 4: for enterprise customers.
Speaker 4: This new service protects the privacy of our enterprise customers' training data.
Speaker 4: enabling those customers to safely use their own private data to train their own private specialized large language models.
Speaker 4: Oracle's application development teams were early adopters of this new AI cloud service. We used our own private data to improve and extend the training of existing cohere large language models. Inside Oracle's newreat j Vickadel-gate intelligent, software and translation software offers standard
Speaker 4: This supplementary training resulted in two new specialized large language models.
Speaker 4: one for medical professionals and one for first responders.
Speaker 4: Specialized large language models will be instrumental.
Speaker 4: in helping highly trained professionals use their precious time more efficiently.
Speaker 6: As I said.
Speaker 4: Cohere and Oracle are working together to make it very, very easy for enterprise customers.
Speaker 4: to train their own specialized large language models while protecting the privacy of their training data.
Speaker 4: Over the next few years, lots of companies are going to train their own specialized large language model.
Speaker 4: Our partner Cohere is also using the Oracle Gen2 Cloud for training their own large language models.
Speaker 4: In healthcare alone,
Speaker 4: Specialized large language models will speed the discovery of new life-saving drugs.
Speaker 4: improve the quality of patient care, and increase access to healthcare by lowering costs.
Speaker 4: A technology revolution is dawning.
Speaker 4: A technology revolution is dawning. Back to you, Safra.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to take some questions. Ken?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Safra. Thank you, Larry. Lisa, if we could please prepare the audience for Q&A.
Speaker 7: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question on the phone lines today, you can press star one on your telephone keypad. And if you would like to remove yourself from the queue, it is star one again. We'll take our first question from John Defucci with Guggenheim.
Speaker 8: Thank you. My question is for, I think it's mainly for Safra, but maybe Larry has some thoughts too. It's somewhat surprising to see the acceleration across all your cloud businesses when others, whether it's the other hyperscalers or even other cloud-based vendors,
Speaker 8: are seeing just the opposite effects in this environment today, in today's environment, and that's important. We get the better performance at a lower price. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: But at least I've been around quite a while, I guess, and usually in tough environments, we see people just freeze.
Speaker 8: But that's not what's happening here. So the question, in addition to what I just said, better performance at lower price, why? Is there anything else outside of like Oracle even that would show your cloud business accelerating when other pretty good companies are doing just the opposite?
Speaker 2: Let me take a start at it, and Larry, you add in here. First of all, the OCI accelerate, the fact that OCI is just growing and accelerating is because customers want to spend less. And they also need to do more. They need to...
Speaker 2: stay competitive, they need to stay agile. And so our technology, whether it's our applications, which allow them to spend a lot less and make better decisions running their business. So that's very, very natural. So our fusion, and there's just so many things about fusion that is.
Speaker 2: that are so compelling it costs less, it just helps them run their business, but then you go to OCI where some of these customers are coming from our competitors, and as Larry said, imagine, Larry talked about the workload being twice as fast.
Speaker 2: on OCI, but imagine it's 10 times as fast or a hundred times faster, or as is common in some cases, a thousand times faster. So imagine what that bill looks like. So we have, sorry, the
Speaker 2: compelling technology at a much lower price and that's without a doubt causing our customers to move to us more quickly. I don't know Larry if you want to add into that. Well I'm just going to be a little more specific because Sakhar says, you know, I said if we run twice as fast.
Speaker 4: we cost twice as much. No, we cost half as much. Half as much. We run twice as fast, we cost half as much.
Speaker 4: But sometimes we do run a lot more than twice as fast. And we cost a lot less than half as much.
Speaker 4: We announced a new database, a new version of MySQL with a fast query processor called HeatWave.
Speaker 4: And we have customers moving from Amazon Aurora.
Speaker 4: where they're experiencing a thousand times speed up versus Aurora. We're a thousand times faster in query processing than Amazon's version of MySQL. It's an open source database that we added a fast query processor to. We're much, much cheaper. And that's one example.
Speaker 4: was a super fast network.
Speaker 4: which means most of the applications, most of the things you run in the Oracle Cloud are going to be much faster than our competitors' clouds because they don't use that kind of network.
Speaker 4: So we have huge cost advantages, huge cost advantages across a broad portfolio of applications. Let me throw in one thing. It cost 1 tenth to implement Fusion ERP versus SAP's ERP.
Speaker 4: new ERP system with HANA. So the cost of implementing our applications are dramatically lower than our competitors. So we have a lot of people moving to AWS, to our cloud for infrastructure services, and a lot of people continuing to move from SAP to Fusion.
Speaker 4: We're seeing that migration and we're taking a lot of market share from our competitors. That's why we're doing better and they're not doing quite as well.
Speaker 8: Okay, well, thank you.
Speaker 8: Thank you and really nice job. Thanks.
Speaker 7: Thank you. We'll take our next question from Brad Selnick with Deutsche Bank. Great, thank you so much and congrats on a strong finish to the year.
Speaker 1: Larry, Oracle is somewhat unique in being a leader in both infrastructure and applications. And when we look back, I don't know, maybe five years from now, how much of the generative AI opportunity will have been captured on the infrastructure side of your business versus within apps? And I'm not just thinking strategic back office apps, I'm thinking front office.
Speaker 4: Cerner and all these verticals as well. Yeah, absolutely. It's very hard. It's very hard to answer that question. A long time ago, it said the biggest difference between the biggest...
Speaker 4: strategic difference between Oracle's cloud and everyone else's cloud is actually not the RDMA network. That's a technical difference. The biggest strategic difference is that we do both. We use our infrastructure.
Speaker 4: and build applications with it.
Speaker 4: So, we learn a lot about how we can improve our infrastructure by building lots of applications, enterprise scale applications on top of our infrastructure.
Speaker 4: So we have this continuous feedback loop where we're building applications.
Speaker 4: obtaining insights, making improvements in our productivity. We have a new programming language. We have Java and we love Java. We use it a lot for building applications. But we have this other low-code application development tool called Apex. And we're now building a lot of our applications in Apex.
Speaker 4: and our productivity gains are again a factor of 10. We build the applications in one-tenth the time or one-tenth the amount of people or at one-tenth the cost.
Speaker 4: But these are not typical low-code applications. These are applications that can scale to millions of users and all over the world.
Speaker 4: So most low code applications are for small projects. We use them for applications we've rolled out globally.
Speaker 4: And we've made our underlying infrastructure, the APEX development environment, the underlying APEX database, which is the Oracle Autonomous Database, you know, has made our application developers dramatically more productive. It's one of the reasons why we bought...
Speaker 4: into the idea that we could rewrite a whole suite of medical applications in a very, very short period of time, that we could redo Cerner very, very quickly because of these underlying tools. I'll close with one last thing.
Speaker 4: Again, we use AI technology to make our database better. It's an autonomous database. You don't need the DBAs.
Speaker 4: It recovers itself, it updates itself, it adds more space. It really is a self-driving database. We've used AI technology to do that. We've used AI technology throughout our cloud, where our cloud is self-healing. We pair bugs while the cloud is running.
Speaker 4: We have an autonomous Linux operating system that's different than all of the other Linuxes.
Speaker 4: You can patch it online, it patches itself online, it repairs itself online. So, again, by being in those two businesses, applications and data and underlying infrastructure, we, again, use our infrastructure and make it better to make our applications better.
Speaker 4: And I think it gives us a huge competitive advantage in technology. It's why we have technologies that other people don't have.
Speaker 7: Very helpful caller. Thank you, Larry. Take our next question from city of Pena. Right with Miss you hope.
Speaker 9: Thank you and congrats on a great quarter. I want to dig into the application part of the business. Very impressive SaaS growth especially in Fusion Apps and Cloud ERP in this macro environment. So what are you hearing from your customer in terms of migrating to the SaaS application and what's driving that?
Speaker 9: And also the cloud world last year, you talked about the opportunity in combining horizontal application with vertical offering. So how is that helping SaaS growth? Okay. Well, I will tell you that there's no question. It's our secret weapon.
Speaker 2: is the fact that we have vertical applications also. Many of our customers end up wanting to buy a vertical application and fusion together. And it's industry by industry. We will be posting online.
Speaker 2: probably some of our wins for the quarter, but what you'll see is when we have existing customers in a segment and a vertical application in that, we truly are without a doubt the most popular. Whether it's healthcare with all of our existing customers.
Speaker 2: whether they be Cerner customers, the fact that we have ERP and the ERP and HCM, SCM, all of our horizontal applications, CX, as well as the vertical applications.
Speaker 2: it makes us very tough to beat. And new healthcare wins are gonna be listed. Many, many, many go live the same in financial services, retail, hospitalities, these whole segments end up wanting to buy their entire solution.
Speaker 2: from us and that really makes us also very sensitive to their needs and we can fill them much better. So that's been a big winner for us and I will tell you that our customers also when they move from on premise.
Speaker 2: they realize that they're moving into the 21st century with a much better system, but also a much lower cost system that also is kept current every 90 days. New capabilities become available. They'll never have to do that.
Speaker 2: We're just building momentum.
Speaker 4: around the world. Let me just add one example to Safra's comments, which I think are right on. But there's an interesting example. Everyone knows we compete with Workday in HCM, HR, whatever. When we bought Cerner, we decided that we were going to take our HR...
Speaker 4: at home that they're seeing. They might work for two or three different hospitals. They might do some work in clinics as well. So scheduling these people who have multiple jobs, doctors may have teaching assignments in universities.
Speaker 4: They, you know, obviously they travel, and they also, they have their own office hours. They have a private practice in addition to working at the hospital. Scheduling these professionals is very, very tricky. Recruiting the professionals is very, very tricky. Paying them, you know, when you're working three days a week, one week, two days the next week.
Speaker 4: no way, there's no way we would have done that unless we had a focus in the healthcare industry.
Speaker 4: So we not only have all the Cerner healthcare apps for hospitals, we've specialized our ERP system for hospitals, we've specialized our HCM for managing the hospital workforce, we've done a bunch of things around the healthcare industry.
Speaker 4: One of the things we want to do is, you know, we're the largest provider of clinical trial software. But the results of the clinical trial goes to a government regulator, and we're now working with the government regulators to develop the software that allows them to take the clinical trial output in digital form.
Speaker 4: and get it through the regulatory process much faster at a much lower cost. So we're looking at the entire healthcare ecosystem and trying to automate both sides of the transaction, the pharmaceutical company that's designing the drug, the hospitals that are testing the drug, and the regulators that are approving the drug.
Speaker 4: should all be digitized and we are well on our way to doing that because of our investment in Cerner and now what has blossomed into an investment across the entire healthcare ecosystem.
Speaker 9: That's a perfect example, Larry. Thank you both for the color. We'll take our next question from Rimo Lencio with Barclays.
Speaker 8: Hey, thank you. Could I switch gears a little bit? Question for Safra. Safra, we now have Serna in as part of Oracle. Where are we on the cost on the synergy capture and cost takeout? And so are we, do you see we are done there or are we kind of still at the beginning of a journey? Thank you and congrats for me as well. Thank you. I actually feel like we're still at the beginning.
Speaker 2: the way we operate the business. And we are just at the very beginning of it. Their margins are nowhere close to the way we run our company and...
Speaker 2: We are right at the, I'd say we're at the beginning-ish, sort of at the beginning of the middle at most. We've got a long way to go on just operationally, and we've got a lot of work going on on the development side.
Speaker 2: as we bring our technical capabilities into the product and move them into the Oracle Cloud, there are a lot of savings as we do that also. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 7: We'll take our next question from Mark Mordler with Bernstein Research.
Thank you very much for taking my question. Congratulations on the quarter and frankly on the guidance. I'd like to get a better understanding about the underpinning of the OCI Gen 2 business. Specifically, can you give us some color on the customer concentration, industry concentration, both in the existing customer base and in the industry?
as well as the pipeline and how you think that's going to change over time. Thanks. I don't know, Larry, if you want to take a stab at it. The reality is that our customers run from very small to very large. As a general matter, we are a small percentage.
of their IT costs when they get started, and sometimes a small percentage of their cloud spending. And as they try us out, they move larger percentages of their business off of other clouds or from on premise.
We're at the very beginning of this movement, especially on the database side, as more and more of our customers, our big customers often have clouded customer or dedicated regions is sort of their ultimate goal for their most critical.
database workloads, we're at the absolute beginning of that with most of our customers. It's basically what we find is if you give us a chance.
It is so much better, so much more cost effective, of course, so much more secure that customers very quickly realize how advantageous it is to move. It's all industries. You know, many, as some of you know, auto companies are doing their simulations with us.
It's really, it's across industries, across sizes. It's very, very diversified. Larry, I don't know if you have additional comments.
Yeah, I just like, maybe the most interesting industry that's adopting the Oracle Cloud are people who are in the...
in the technology business. So, a lot of our customers are, I mean, they're business. I mean, Zoom in the early days of Oracle, you know, it wasn't long ago we were talking about Zoom and still very excited about Zoom. And they came to us, one of our earliest very, very large customers.
and a lot of their business is just running an app, if you will, an application on the cloud.
and a huge amount of their expense is running that application in the cloud and doing it efficiently.
And where we're most obvious, I mean, NVIDIA is an extraordinary company, but Cohere is a great company, but a lot of their expense is running AI training in the cloud. And when it's that much of your expense, having it
If we're a lot faster, they do a lot of due diligence about the technology. And it became very apparent, a lot of the early adopters, if you will, and this is, we're still in the early stages, a lot of the early adopters at scale of the Oracle Cloud were highly technical companies, like a Zoom or an Nvidia, and I can name a bunch of others.
or a highly technical industry like phone companies, telecommunication companies, where they see the advantages, not only by the way, the performance and cost advantages, another thing that we're very proud of is because of our network, we're highly reliable, and because of the autonomy, we're highly reliable.
If, for example, the Oracle Autonomous Database doesn't lose your data because you can't make a pilot, usually a lot of the data loss is caused by pilot error. Well, with the Oracle Autonomous Database, there are no drivers, the driver is the system. It's a self-driving database. So you can't make a human error that causes you to lose data. So it's very, very difficult to make a human error.
beginning their journey of looking more closely at the Oracle cloud. And when they do look closely, we compare very favorably with the other clouds.
That's very helpful. I really appreciate it. And we'll take the last question from Kirk Matern of Evercore ISI.
Thanks very much. Just a quick one for Safra if I could. Safra, obviously a very strong free cash flow quarter. We've gotten some questions from investors wondering about the CapEx this quarter, where you saw some efficiencies, how you're able to keep CapEx flat going into next year given the fact that you're going to see this great demand for OCI.
And I think we're getting real economies. In addition, one of the things you don't realize is that our underlying infrastructure, for example, I'll give you one example. Our underlying infrastructure becomes more and more efficient. The best example actually is under fusion.
As we've moved to OCI, we are also moving to Autonomous Database Serverless, which again gives us added capacity. So we're constantly, constantly becoming more efficient. Our original landing was 12 racks. We're moving to 10 racks.
Same as this year. Again, if it just becomes overwhelming, it may go up higher, but I think we've got it very much in hand. We've laid out a lot this past year. And I think if we stay where we're at, we're gonna be able to.
fit a lot more workloads within that envelope straightforwardly. Great. Thanks and congrats on the quarter. Thank you.
Thank you, Safra. Thank you, Kirk. A telephonic replay of this conference call will be available for 24 hours on our Investor Relations website. Thank you for joining us on the call today. And with that, I'll turn the call back to Lisa for closing. Thank you. And that does conclude today's presentation. Thank you for your participation. And you may now disconnect. With that, I'll turn the call back to Lisa for closing.