Q2 2023 Marsh & McLennan Companies Inc Earnings Call
Welcome to Marsh McLennan's earnings conference call.
Today's call is being recorded. Second quarter 2023 financial results and supplemental information were issued earlier this morning. They are available on the company's website at marshallmcclennon.com.
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I'll now turn this over to John Doyle, President and CEO of Marsh McLennan. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss our second quarter results reported earlier today. I'm John Doyle, President and CEO of Marsh McLennan.
Joining me on the call is Mark McGivney, our CFO and the CEOs of our businesses.
Martin South of Marsh, Dean Klassur of Guy Carpenter, Martin Furlan of Mercer, and Nick Studer of Oliver Wyman.
Also with us this morning is Sarah DeWitt, Head of Investor Relations.
Marsh Mclennan's second quarter results were excellent.
We perform well across our businesses and geographies.
extended the best run of quarterly underlying revenue growth in over two decades, and generated double-digit growth in adjusted EPS.
Top line momentum continued with 11% underlying revenue growth on top of 10% growth in the second quarter of last year.
Adjusted operating income grew 17% versus a year ago.
Our adjusted operating margin expanded 100 basis points compared to the second quarter of 2022.
and adjusted EPS grew 16%. We also raised our quarterly dividend by 20% to 71 cents and completed $300 million of share repurchases during the quarter.
I'm pleased with our performance, especially when viewed in the context of the current macroeconomic and geopolitical environment.
While the U.S. and other major economies have been resilient, there remains significant uncertainty given persistent inflation,
continued central bank tightening, and geopolitical instability.
However, we continue to perform well. As we have discussed in the past, there are factors that are supportive of our growth. We also have a track record of resilience and believe we are well positioned to perform across economic cycles.
We manage our business to grow revenues faster than expenses in both good and challenging periods.
We've made meaningful investments in market-facing talent and improving sales operations and client engagement, which are contributing to our growth. And we continue to deliberately shift our business mix to faster growth areas.
So while the macroeconomic and geopolitical environment remains volatile, we see opportunity to deliver greater value to clients through our leadership and capabilities in risk, strategy, and people.
A good example is Marsh Mclennan's work to aid Ukraine's economy.
Our four businesses together are mobilizing our unique expertise to support their future recovery and reconstruction efforts.
In June , I attended the Ukrainian Recovery Conference.
hosted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
We had the honor of hosting a delegation of Ukrainian and British officials at our London offices, where we announced proposals to help with Ukraine's recovery.
Some estimates suggest over $1 trillion may be required for this effort.
Yet investment capital will not be forthcoming until investors can protect themselves from war risk.
To this end, we propose to Ukraine and the G7 the creation of a war risk insurance pool that would ensure commercial insurance is available for reconstruction projects.
We also announced that we will partner with the Ukrainian government and insurers to create a data platform for the assessment of war risks.
This project draws on Marshall McLennan's expertise and leverages data and information provided by the Ukrainians.
By enabling effective and targeted risk modeling, it represents a critical first step for the industry to offer commercial insurance and unlock capital.
Our colleagues at Oliver Wyman also partnered with the Ukrainian government to develop a post-war transformation strategy. This would reposition Ukraine's economy in a way that leverages national strengths to move beyond resilience to opportunity.
At Marsh-McClennan, we consider it a privilege to support these endeavors.
Now I'd like to take a moment to provide an update on the strategic initiatives we discussed last quarter.
As a reminder, in the first quarter, we appointed new leaders for Marsh-McLennan International and U.S. and Canada, as well as region and country leaders.
These leaders are driving client impact through enhanced collaboration, while at the same time maintaining the individual value propositions of the businesses. We are bringing our collective capabilities where there is opportunity to provide greater value.
This allows us to harness the benefits of our scale, data, insights, and expertise.
to meet our clients' challenges and realize possibilities.
This approach is already yielding benefits and improving the client and colleague experience.
At the same time, we were also finding new ways to operate, reduce complexity, and organize for impact.
The actions we are taking aim to realign our workforce and skill sets with evolving needs.
rationalize technology, and reduce our real estate footprint.
As we said last quarter, we expect roughly $300 million of total savings by 2024, with total costs to achieve these savings of $375 to $400 million.
Our go-to-market collaboration and restructuring actions are an opportunity to drive higher growth.
enhance the colleague value proposition and be more efficient and connected.
Turning to insurance and re-insurance market conditions.
Primary insurance rate increases continued, with the Marsh Global Insurance Market Index up 3% overall versus 4% in the first quarter.
Property rates increased 10%, the same as last quarter.
Casually pricing was up in the low single digit range.
Workers' compensation was down low single digits, and financial and professional liability insurance rates were down high single digits.
Cyber insurance pricing stabilized after several years of increases.
In re-insurance, challenging market conditions persisted at mid-year renewals.
Reinsurers were disciplined and rate increases remained significant, although the market showed more interest in deploying capacity than at January 1, given the firm pricing and improved terms.
Global property cat reinsurance risk adjusted rates increased about 30% on average with loss of impacted clients seeing higher pricing.
The impact of rate increases on seated premiums was mitigated by higher retention. The impact of rate increases on seated premiums was mitigated by higher retention.
rate increases on seated premiums was mitigated by higher retentions. On the casualty side...
Pricing pressure continued across most lines driven by prior year loss development and concerns about social and economic inflation.
We continue to help clients manage these dynamic market conditions.
Now let me turn to our second quarter financial performance. We generated adjusted EPS of $2.20 which is up 16% from a year ago.
On an underlying basis, revenue grew 11%.
Underlying Revenue Group 13% in RIS and 8% in Consulting.
13% in RIS and 8% in consulting. Marsh was up 10%
Guy Carpenter 11%.
Mercer 6%, and Oliver Wyman Group 11%.
For the six months, consolidated revenue grew 10% on an underlying basis. Adjusted operating income grew 15% and are adjusted operating margin expanded 130 basis points. Adjusted EPS was $4.74, up 13% from a year ago. Turning to our outlook, we are well positioned for a strong year in 2023. In terms of revenue outlook, given our momentum, we expect full year underlying revenue growth to be high single digits. This reflects a continuation of current trends.
But as we noted, the macro outlook remains uncertain and can turn out to be different than our assumptions.
As for the bottom line outlook, we continue to expect margin expansion for the full year and strong growth in adjusted EPS.
Overall, I'm proud of our second quarter performance, which demonstrates our continued execution on strategic initiatives and momentum across our business despite an uncertain macro environment. I'm grateful to our colleagues for their focus and determination and the value they deliver to our clients, shareholders, and communities.
With that, let me turn it over to Mark for a more detailed review of our results.
Thank you, Johnny. Good morning. Our second quarter results were outstanding with continued momentum in underlying growth mid-tune suggested ETS growth solid margin expansion.
Our consolidated revenue increased 9% to $5.9 billion with underlying growth of 11%.
Operating income was 1.5 billion, and adjusted operating income was also 1.5 billion, up 17%.
Our adjusted operating margin increased 100 basis points to 27.7% of good results. Given the headwinds from the talent investments we made in 2022, the timing of our annual raises and the continued rebound and expenses such as T&E that we mentioned last quarter.
GAP EPS was $2.07 and adjusted EPS was $2.20 up 16% over last year. For the first month of 2023, underlying revenue growth was 10% or adjusted operating income grew 15% to 3.3 billion.
Our adjusted operating margin increased 130 basis points. Our adjusted EPS increased 13% to $4.74.
Looking at risk and insurance services, second quarter revenue was $3.7 billion, up 12% compared with a year ago, or 13% on an underlying basis.
This result marks the ninth consecutive quarter of 8% or higher underlying growth in RIS and continues the best stretch of growth in nearly two decades.
Operating income increased 20% to 1.2 billion.
Adjusted operating income increased 18% to 1.2 billion, and our adjusted operating margin expanded 140 basis points to 34.2%. For the first six months of the year, revenue in RIS was 7.6 billion with underlying growth 12%.
Adjusted operating income increased 17% to 2.6 billion, and the margin increased 170 basis points to 36.4%.
At Mars, revenue in the quarter was $3 billion, up 9% from a year ago, or 10% on an underlying basis.
This comes on top of 9% growth in the second quarter of last year.
Growth in the second quarter reflected strong new business and excellent retention. In US and Canada, underlined growth was 9% for the quarter.
In international, underlying growth was 10%.
It comes on top of 9% in the second quarter of 2022.
Latin America was up 17%, EMEA was up 11%,
Latin America was up 17%, EMEA was up 11%, and Asia Pacific grew 6%.
But first six months of the year, Marsha's revenue was 5.8 billion, with underlying growth of 9%.
US and Canada grew 8%, and international was up 10%.
Gai Carpenter's revenue was 576 million in the quarter of 10% or 11% on an underlying basis driven by strong growth across all regions and global specialty.
For the first six months of the year, Guy Carpenter generated 1.6 billion of revenue and 10% underlying growth.
In the consulting segment, second quarter revenue was 2.2 billion, up 4% from a year ago, or 8% on an underlying basis.
Consulting operating income was $388 million. Adjusted operating income increased 9% to $403 million.
The adjusted operating margin was 19.2% compared to 19.3% in the second quarter of last year.
For the first six months of 2023, consulting revenue was 4.2 billion representing underlying growth of 6%.
and adjusted operating income increased 5% to 809 million. Mercer's revenue was 1.4 billion in the quarter, up 6% on an underlying basis, representing the ninth consecutive quarter of 5% or higher underlying growth in Mercer.
Wealth grew 3% driven by continued strength and defined benefits.
Investment management also delivered modest growth. Our assets under management with 393 billion at the end of the second quarter, up 11% 12.
14% compared to the second quarter of last year.
Growth was driven by a modest rebound in capital markets, positive net flows, and our transaction with WestPak.
Health underlying growth was 10% in reflected strength in all segments and regions. Career revenue increased 6% on top of 17% growth in the second quarter of last year.
We continue to see demand for rewards, talent strategy, and workforce transformation advice and solutions.
But first six months of the year, Revenue at Mercer was 2.7 billion with 7% underlying growth.
Oliver Wyman's revenue recorded with $798 million, an increase of 11% on an underlying basis, and reflected continued strength in the Middle East in Europe and a rebound in the Americas.
First six months of the year, revenue at Oliver Wyman was 1.5 billion, an increase of 6% on an underlying basis.
Barne Exchange was a two-cent headwind in the second quarter.
Assuming exchange rates remain at current levels, we expect FX to be a 1 cent headwind in the third quarter and a 1 cent benefit in the fourth quarter.
We reported 65 million of total restructuring costs in the quarter, approximately 50 million of which relates to the program we announced in the fourth quarter.
These charges include costs related to severance, leaf texas, and screenlining our technology environment.
We continue to expect total charges under this program to be 375 to 400 million.
The date even occurred approximately 300 million in charges and currently expect to incur most of the remaining costs in 2023.
We still expect to achieve total savings of roughly 300 million by 2024, and now expect to realize approximately 200 million in 2023.
Our other net benefit credit was 60 million in the quarter. For the full year 2023, we expect our other net benefit credit will be about 240 million.
Investment income was 3 million in the second quarter on a gap basis and 2 million on an adjusted basis.
Interest expense in the second quarter was 146 million up from 114 million in the second quarter of 2022.
The surfluxen increase in long-term debt and higher interest rates on short-term borrowings, which we use for efficient working capital management.
Based on our current forecast, we expect approximately 142 million of interest expense in the third quarter and approximately 567 million for the full year.
Our effective adjusted tax rate in the second quarter was 24.2% compared with 23.7% in the second quarter of last year.
Our tax rate in both periods benefited from favorable discrete items.
The largest discrete item, this quarter, was the accounting for share-based compensation.
Exploiting discrete items, our effective adjusted tax rate was approximately 25.5%.
When we give forward guidance around our tax rate, we do not project discrete items which can be positive or negative. Based on the current environment, it is reasonable to assume a tax rate between 25 and 26% for 2023.
Bernie's capital management in our balance sheet. We ended the quarter with total debt of 12.6 billion.
Our next scheduled debt maturity is October 2023, when 250 million of senior nodes mature.
We continue to expect to deploy approximately $4 billion of capital in 2023 across dividends, acquisitions, and share repurchases.
The ultimate level of share repurchase will depend on how the M&A pipeline develops.
Last week we raised our quarterly dividend by 20%, marking our 14th consecutive year of dividend growth.
This increase the largest in 25 years reflects our strong earnings growth over the past couple of years, confidence and our outlook.
Our cash position at the end of the second quarter was $1.2 billion.
Uses of cash in the quarter totaled $1 billion and included $295 million for dividends, $421 million for acquisitions, and $5 million for the
cash in the quarter totaled 1 billion and included 295 million for dividends, 421 million for acquisitions, and 300 million for share repurchases.
The first six months uses of cash total 1.9 billion, and included 591 million for dividends, 701 million for acquisition, and 600 million for share repurchases.
Given our strong results in the first half, we now expect high single digit underlying revenue growth for the full year. We continue to expect margin expansion for the full year and strong growth in adjusted EPS.
This guidance is based on our outlook today, but as John mentioned, there continues to be uncertainty and the environment looking forward. So outcomes could be different than our current assumptions.
Overall, our excellent start leaves us well positioned for another great year in 2023. With that, I'm happy to turn it back to John .
Thank you, Mark. Operator, we're ready to begin Q&A.
Thank you, Mark. Operator, we're ready to begin Q&A. Certainly.
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And our first question comes from the line of Elise Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question, you guys updated your organic growth guidance for the full year to high It has been two weeks since Facebook released the Storage Analysis Lennings. I am John HA
and a moderation in right to get the high single digits for the full year. And then embedded within that guide, what are you assuming for for do share investment income in the back half of the year?
Good morning, Elise. Thanks for the question. As I said, I'm quite pleased with the growth year to date. The macro environment, although volatile, remains supportive of good strong growth, inflation, pricing, tight labor markets, our tailwinds.
As I pointed out in my prepared remarks, we've been shifting our mix of business to better growth markets. We've been investing in talent, sales operations, client engagement. We've sold some non-core businesses and recently announced the sale of a non-core business. So we've been working very hard at the growth profile of the company.
And our outlook remains quite positive. So, we upped our guidance to high single digits. It's, again, a terrific start to the year. I feel like we're well positioned. I think our team is executing very well in the marketplace. And in spite of the volatile macro environment, I think we'll have a good time.
a good second half of growth as well.
We're not going to give specific guidance on fiduciary income, but you saw what it looked like in the second quarter, obviously meaningful growth. We expect that to likely continue in the second half.
Thanks. So then my second question is on margin. You guys had pointed right that the Q2 would see lower improvement than the other quarters of the year. Does that still stand? And when you expect margin improvement to, you know, pick up in the Q3 and the Q4. And with the higher expense savings, now 200 million this year, does the higher savings in 23 do those all come in? The back half, or was that spread?
to grow revenue more than expense over time. And we're constantly trying to balance with delivering today and investing for the future. I think we're getting that balance right. Our growth in both top line and earnings shows that. We did guide to less improvement in the second quarter. Mark talked about his prepared remarks, some of the drivers behind that, but again.
I'm quite pleased with where we are. We expect solid margin expansion again for the 16th year. Mark, maybe you can talk about the restructuring program. Hi, Elise. How are you? Elise, you see that we did take up the outlook for this year to $200 million, but left the overall at $300 million. It just reflects the fact that we're executing well and we've just gotten added a little bit.
And as we said last quarter, you know, wouldn't be a bad assumption just to assume the savings comes in radically across the year. And I would say the same thing. It's just that we've gotten at the savings a little bit quicker. So I would just assume a ratable spreading over the course of the year as opposed to all the increase coming in the back half. And we do have a bit of better second half comps from the expense, on the expense line.
Thank you, Elise. Operator, next question.
Operator, next question. Thank you.
And our next question comes from the line of Jimmy Bueller with JP Morgan. Hey, good morning. First, just a question on revenues in the RIS business. You've grown at a pretty fast rate the last several quarters and I think generally better than some of your larger peers and part of that might have been just the benefit from the hiring activity that you've done over the past couple of years.
Is the tailwind from that fully reflected in your results and has it fully ramped up or is there more to go there?
Thanks Jimmy. As I said, quite pleased with our growth. You know, you pick on one of your words, just a benefit from some hiring. As I noted, we've been working quite hard at shifting the mix of business, bringing in talent.
We've not just been pleased with the financial outcome. Culturally, we were very thoughtful about who we brought into the organization and they're not only helping us grow but they're making us better as well. So we're quite pleased with those investments.
And then just you mentioned, sorry, go ahead. No, I'm sorry, do you have a follow up?
Yeah, I was just going to say you mentioned macro and geopolitical a bunch of times and geopolitical obviously is understandable macro from the outside and it seems like most of the factors are tailwind more than their headwinds, the equity market strong inflations high GDP growth is held in so
Maybe you could just elaborate a little bit on what is it that on the macro side that you see as a negative and specifically on inflation, if it stays elevated, is that obviously it's a positive on your growth but is it a positive on your earnings is all overall or is the benefit offset by just higher expenses in your own business?
Yeah, you know, it's a good question. I was trying to thread the needle a bit, right? I mean, again, the economy has been, you know, been quite resilient, but inflation remains persistent. You know, you're obviously beginning to see it come down here in the United States, but not, you know, at the level that, you know, the central bank, you know, seems to be targeting.
you know with their mission to reduce inflation you know that's gonna have an impact on not just the market here but but in other markets uh... and so you know i think there there's still a meaningful risk of recession and and fact you know where we do have exposure in other parts of the world we have economies in
in recession currently. But I think you had it right, I think nominal GDP is a better indicator of demand for us rather than real GDP. And inflation overall we do think is beneficial to the company. We're not again immune to some of the challenges that we confront from an inflationary environment in our expenses but overall.
Jimmy.
Operator next question.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Michael Zorimski with BMO Capital Markets. Hey, great. First question, maybe I'll try to ask, the Jimmy's question differently. So in the risk segments specifically,
organic growth much stronger than consensus expectations, which is great. Any way you can offer any thoughts on whether a material portion of that kind of excess growth was market share taking versus just the entire, maybe overall market conditions for the entire industry were stronger than...
Then maybe some expats it. You know, it's a mix of impacts, of course. So, you know, it's difficult to say with real precision, Mike. But, you know, you've, again, you've started to see inflation come down here in the United States. You saw GDP, you saw, in many markets, you're seeing GDP growth slow.
P&C pricing moderated a bit in the quarter as well. Tight labor markets though you know remain a you know a positive factor and overall at least you know compared to you know the 2010 to 2020 decade you know it's it's certainly you know we have more tailwinds than than headwinds but
you know, we're pleased. You know, I forgot to mention, you know, when Jimmy asked the question too, you know, I talked about the economy a bit, but you know, the geopolitical environment remains a risk as well, right? So again, just trying to thread the needle between, you know, what's been obviously a terrific first half of the year and what we think is a terrific.
outlook for revenue growth in the second half, but there's macro risk as well.
Okay, that's helpful. My follow-ups on, if you look at cash flow from operations, net of a cap X.
That's helpful. My follow-ups on, if you look at cash flow from operations, net of a cap X.
If I'm doing the math right, it looks like it's growing at a pretty big clip. Do you expect
free cash flow at this point to grow faster than earnings and any comments, if that's the case, your cash flow conversion will take a step up this year.
It can be a bit lumpier than, you know, that earnings growth as we pointed out in the past and have demonstrated in the past, but maybe I'll ask Mark to talk about the outlook for free cash flow growth. Yeah, thanks Mike. I, you know, we've consistently say we really try not to emphasize focusing too much on free cash flow growth than in any quarter or even a year. It can be really...
volatile. Yes, as you point out in the second quarter free cash flow was up quite nicely. There is you have to be careful especially early in the year for us because there's a bit of a low base issue. Our cash flows tend to be lower early in the year as you know them then later in the year. But look we've had a terrific run over a long period of time of double-digit free cash flow growth that is cracked.
pretty closely to our run of double digit earnings growth last decade and as we've talked about we're confident in our outlook for continued strong earnings growth and we would expect that our free cash flow growth in the future would track that as well.
Thank you, Mike. Operator, next question.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Robert Cox with Goldman Sachs. Hey, thanks for taking my question. Just thinking about the marsh business and I realize growth has been strong both domestically and internationally. But if you look at those domestically and internationally,
I said we're performing well, we're well positioned. I think we have the best talent in the market. And I do believe we are capturing share, but maybe I'll ask Martin to talk a little bit about the growth so far this year, and what you see for the rest of the year.
Thanks John . As you said, we had a great strong organic growth of 10% in the second quarter, which is on top of 9, which we posted in the second quarter of 22. And better of the full year growth of 8%. As you said, great balance. International is 10%, Latin America is 17%.
EMEA 11, 8x6, U.S. and Canada 9.
You know, I'd say the growth has been, you know, so it's really nice balance across all the geographies. Specialties growth is strong. Credit specialties, construction aviation, energy and power. Strong. Our advisory business part of the risk advisor at the future, very strong, double digit growth. And then B was strong. Renewal both growth was strong. So it's just a nice mix of business across the board. But new business and renewal.
Thanks, Mark. Again, the consistency of growth has been just outstanding in addition to the total. Do you have a follow-up, Rob? Yeah, thanks. And so, maybe switching to Oliver Weinman, growth came in well above the levels you guys had guided from last quarter.
And there's been a number of positive economic data points as of late. Do you see the pipeline reflecting that? And is it looking like growth in the back half?
Yeah, we're, thanks Rob, very pleased with the growth at Alvar Wyman. I'll ask Nick to talk a bit more about it in detail. Nick?
Yeah, thank you, Robert. We still see a relatively wide range of possible future outcomes. When we gave guidance at the end of the first quarter, that was based on what we saw in our sales pipeline, which was ticking up nicely, but not aggressively. In the second quarter, we
We saw quite strong growth in sales. It's a reflection on places where all of a Wyman is being selected to support our clients really transformative moments.
And then also some of our other businesses are economic research, consultancy nearer and our brand consulting business, living coach showing.
strong growth and our digital practice showing strong growth. So I wouldn't say yet that it's correlated with economic uptick. Clients need to use this for their performance transformation as well as for their growth strategy. But sales in the second quarter have been better than we'd expected and in the near term.
I'm relatively optimistic and the longer term the economic outcomes are still fairly widely ranged.
Thank you, Nick. Operator, do we have a follow-up?
I'm sorry. Next question actually. That was the follow up. Question comes from the line of David Mothamatin with Evercore I.
Hey, thanks. Good morning. Just had another question on the increased outlook to high single digit for the year. Just sort of high level question, was that improved outlook more function of the results you've achieved to date or has your outlook?
Improved at all going forward.
You know, thanks David for the question. It's really a function of both, right? We've had, again, a terrific start to the year, very, very pleased with the growth. And again, not just growth in parts of the business, just broad-based, good execution, and a lot of hard work by the team, and really a reflection of the value that we're creating for clients.
And so, you know, we remain positive, you know, with that outlook. And again, you know, geopolitical environment particularly, but also, you know, the macroeconomic outlook, you know, or there's volatility there. So we want to be mindful of that, but we feel very good about the second half. Got it. Thanks. And maybe just a question on Mercer career. So I saw that decelerated a little bit, the growth decelerated, and the compare wasn't that much harder than the first quarter. So I'm just wondering, is there anything
that you're seeing there on the pipeline front or just anything that would indicate that any clouds on the horizon.
Yeah, thanks David. We love what we're doing at Mercer Careers. And we ask Martin to talk about our results here today. Yeah, thanks David for the question. And you touched on it. As the quarter growth this quarter was on top of challenging 17% comparable for the second quarter of last year.
Our quarter at 6% in 2-2 now has also been impacted by the delay of start of certain projects. But I would say that the fundamentals for the business remain very strong. We have 9% growth year-to-date. The demand for service continues. Our clients still grapple with labour shortages.
macroeconomics. But I would say at this point our sales, our pipeline, the client sentiment, very strong so it continues to give us good visibility into strength for the third quarter and beyond. So I'm confident that the rest of the year will be good for career. Thanks Martin. Thanks David. Operator, next question please.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mike Ward with CIDI.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mike Ward with City. Thanks, good morning.
You called out global specialty and Guy Carpenter just wondering if you can discuss some of those trends and maybe the runway and how significant those impacts are.
Sure, thanks Mike for the question. Maybe I'll ask Dean, we're quite pleased with our execution and what's been a very, very challenging re-insurance mark in the first half of this year, but Dean maybe can talk about the growth of GC. Sure, thanks, John . We're very pleased with our 11% underlying growth in the quarter.
10% for the first half of the year. As you call out, we've seen strong growth across all of our regions, in particular internationally, and global specialties. Global specialties place deeply in the retrocession capital market based in London and globally, and there's been some capital challenges.
Despite that, we've seen some capital inflow into the marketplace, but despite market conditions, our global specialty team continues to grow and perform impressively. New business across Guy Carpenter continues to accelerate. Some of that's from all the talent that we hired.
We're winning in the marketplace. We're seeing very strong demand in this marketplace for our analytics platform, which we think is the best in the marketplace. Demand for our advice and solutions remain strong. I mean, our clients are really experiencing and seeing a flight to quality works and a challenging market environment.
where capital still constrained, where re-insurers are driving, really challenging terms and conditions, you want to be with the best.
I think also Guy Carpenter Securities is differentiating in the marketplace. We did over 20 Cap-Pond deals in the first half of the year with some of that new ILS capital coming into the marketplace. We've done ILS structuring for key clients.
And so I think there's just kind of real momentum in the business kind of globally. And of course, the market continues to be a tailwind. There's not enough new capital in the marketplace to change the trajectory of the pricing environment.
Thank you, Dean. Martin, maybe you could talk a little bit about the growth in specialties. Yeah.
Thank you, John . As I mentioned earlier, where we've seen really good growth in the specialty areas being in the credit specialties, maybe not surprising given what's happening in the environment. Construction has been very strong internationally. Aviation and energy in power is both through transition there. And aviation has bounced back.
Feeling very good about that. I'll also take it with the advisory business as well where we, you know, the two businesses hang together. We're advising clients increasingly on how to manage their lost costs, how to drive growth, you know, during the energy transition and so forth. So all of those specialty areas we're seeing really strong growth and momentum and that's how we go to market.
and how we differentiate ourselves through that lens. In a world where the cost of risk is continuing to escalate, our efforts on risk consulting are really important to our clients and driving a lot of value, Mike. I also want to point out, you know, it's obviously been a, particularly on the reinsurance side of late.
But after several years of pricing increases, of course, at Marsh as well, it's a difficult market. We take our role as a market maker quite seriously and in the quarter announced a couple of different things that I would point out. A multi-line facility in London that we call Fast Track for our clients at Marsh.
And then we also created a reciprocal inside of our MGA operations at Victor, as well trying to bring new solutions to what is a difficult market for clients.
created a reciprocal inside of our MGA operations at Victor as well trying to bring new solutions to what is a difficult market for clients. Do you have a follow-up, Mike?
Thank you. Yes, that was super helpful. Maybe last quarter you spoke a little bit about developing counter cyclical products in Oliver Wyman. Just wondering if you can share some examples on that. Yeah, Nick, do you want to talk about some of the capabilities we've been building inside of Oliver Wyman? Yeah. I don't know. Anyway.
There are various of our sectors which are perhaps less exposed to the cycles. So last year you saw we acquired the excellent Avicend business which is Aerospace and Defence.
specialist as an example. So some of our sectors we've been trying to position ourselves carefully through the cycle and then on the capabilities side we do a very large amount of work now in performance transformation.
And that's not solely a downturn oriented solution, but it's needed when clients are going through either margin squeeze on the top line or the bottom line.
And then a couple of years ago we started to build a restructuring practice. It's still very nascent, but we've seen very strong growth in that area as well. So that's just a few different examples. I think the final point I'd make is that really from the pandemic onwards we've seen a reduction in the correlation.
between our different industries. Some have been in downturn for quite a long time, some are working through their own mini-crisis, which sometimes requires advisory support. And then some are quite pro-cyclical, but I'd note that our private equity, private capital practice, which obviously slowed considerably over the last three or four quarters.
has started to pick up and we're seeing activity there both pre and post deal. So that's a sort of bit of a picture across the business. Thank you Nick, thank you Mike for the questions. Operator, next question please.
Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Brian Meredith with UBS.
Hi, this is Weston Bloomer on for Brian . My first question is a follow-up on Oliver Wyman. Obviously strong growth there and you highlight a few sub-sectors that saw the growth.
I'm curious within financial services and banking, was any of that growth driven by the banking turmoil that we saw earlier in the year or more one-off opportunities? Where I guess I'm going with that too is, is that something that you think could play out?
in the back half of this year or 2024, just given the turmoil earlier in the year? Thanks, Weston. Good question. Nick, maybe you could talk a little bit about, you mentioned banking being a strength to date, but maybe you could talk about the outlook. Yeah, I mean...
There were different puts and takes in our growth numbers, but perhaps 35 to 40% of our growth was driven by our banking practice, as you know. That is really a preeminent business for us.
And at the beginnings of that crisis, we felt that that was just adding to uncertainty, may lead to some pauses in decisions which may slow down the pipeline. In the second quarter, we did see some work coming through from it. It's hard to separate out exactly how much is driven by...
crisis response versus banks preparing to get ahead of capabilities that they now know they need given the very different interest rate environment. A lot of the core essentials of the banking system are muscles that haven't had to be used in the very low rate environment we've had for a very, very long time. And so there is work on liability management, interest rate risk management, deposit management.
the value of the branch network, not to mention tooling ourselves up for the new tech and AI capabilities that might be helpful. But yeah, we have seen that be a driver of some business already, and we continue to expect that over the coming quarters.
the value of the branch network, not to mention tooling ourselves up for the new tech and AI capabilities that might be helpful. But yeah, we have seen that be a driver of some business already, and we continue to expect that over the coming quarters. Thanks for your question.
Yep, go ahead. You highlighted that 35 to 40 percent of growth was driven within financial services. Have you given a break – rule of thumb, I'd always assume that financial services was the largest subsector within OI.
I just want to confirm that that's the case, or if you've given a break out there. We don't give a break out. I mean, it's one of our strongest practices. It's also one of the largest sectors in management consulting globally. But it's one of our strength areas. Got it, and then just one more within Guy Carpenter. Can you talk about the dynamic versus tree?
3D versus FAC placements.
and the kind of the growth outlook that you're seeing there, are there more opportunities within fact given just changes in buying or buyer behavior?
Thanks, Weston. We've seen good growth in fact over the course of the last couple of years, both seated and client driven fact Oliver Wyman and excuse me, Guy Carpenter at Marsh work quite closely together to capture that opportunity and to make sure we're bringing all the available capital all over the world to our clients.
And our next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome with Piper Sandler.
Good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. I didn't think I heard much of anything about the M&A environment. I think we're all sort of waiting to.
things to change there because the interest rate environment changes. Any updated thoughts on M&A and how you see...
change there because the interest rate environment changes. Any updated thoughts on M&A and how you see in the environment there for yourself?
Yeah, sure, Paul. We remain quite active in the market and have a solid pipeline. Of course, we continue to look for businesses with solid growth fundamentals that are well-led and have terrific talent. Not only will they make us better, but...
Hopefully we think we can make them better as well. You know, I'd say the pipeline is pretty broad from both an RIS and consulting perspective. We of course did a big deal in Mercer investments on the 1st of April . So we're excited about that in Australia. And we were just in Australia as a team. So excited about the acquisition there and what it means to our investments.
The market, obviously, the number of deals is down. Some buyers, primarily financial buyers, are sitting it out at the moment, but strategic players are still quite active. What I would say is demand is strong for higher quality businesses that are out there. Obviously, the cost of capital has increased quite a bit. Prized assets are still trading at a premium. But again, we're excited about what's possible there.
We've worked very hard and have built a very strong reputation as a buyer in the market and that creates a lot of opportunity for us. Do you have a follow-up, Paul? Yes, as a follow-up, could you talk about the divestitures that you've made and how important or maybe not important they are to the margin improvements? Yes, sir.
over the last quarter or last year. I know they're small in size. Yeah, no thanks. Sorry to jump in on you there. They are relatively modest in size, but we are being thoughtful about the portfolio in that respect.
You know, for the most part, they've happened at Mercer. You know, again, we recently announced the divestiture of what really is an admin business, primarily, or really entirely an admin business. And so, you know, not core, lower growth, capital intensive.
operations and candidly they're better owners of assets like that than us, others that can bring greater scale and technology and solutions. So, you know, we don't expect to do a lot of it, but where we see the opportunity and it makes us better and stronger and enables us to invest in our core, we'll take steps to do that.
Thank you, Paul. Operator, next question. Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jing Li with KBW. Hi there. Thank you for taking my questions. It's a question on the Asian Pacific.
For instance, can you add some color on it since I see that it's just a relative sum for this quarter? So do you expect it to continue for the coming quarters? Sure, Jang, maybe I'll ask Martin to talk about it, but you know We're very excited about the possibility for growth in Asia and in the Pacific
Not just at Marsh, but across our businesses, as I mentioned, as a leadership team, we're recently in Australia, and we see lots of possibilities. But Martin, maybe you could talk a little bit about the quarter and your outlook. I think the example, when we look at international, we like to look at growth over longer periods of time.
And with regard to APAC 6% underlying growth in the course of its 8% year to date, we think that's much more indicative of what the growth would be like over a longer period of time. Likewise, we probably have slightly elevated growth in that in America, we'd expect that to normalize over a period of time as well. So I just think it's something that we're not worried about. We've got a great business in Asia-PAT.
feel very comfortable in the future. Lots of opportunities, you know, it's one of the parts of the world where, you know, there's a meaningful protection gap. So Jing, do you have a follow-up? Yeah, so for this quarter, six percent, I guess. So you mean that means that it's kind of like one time thing.
lots of opportunities. It's one of the parts of the world where you know there's a meaningful protection gap. So Jing, do you have a follow-up? Yeah, so for this quarter 6% I guess, so you mean it's kind of like a one-time thing. So it continues to be a double-digit.
kind of going forward? Sure, yeah, we're not going to give specific guidance on Asia Pacific underlying revenue growth, but we do think it's an area, a region that we're very well positioned for strong growth going forward. So, as Martin mentioned, we're...
We're well positioned in that market. We've got terrific distribution throughout most major countries throughout the region, and we're excited about it. It's one of the ways in which JLT made us quite stronger. So thank you, Jane. Operator, are there any more questions?
to unpack our growth at Mercer Investments a bit.
Yes, absolutely. I mean, our OCIO business has grown really rapidly over the last few years, but as you know, it's been impacted by capital markets over the last many quarters. Although it does benefit from net AUM inflows, some of that volatility does drive demand for the OCIO.
accretive growth from capital markets for two, three as far as we can see from levels today. So this is a good business for us. It's a diversified portfolio. The volatility in the equity market has come down. On the bond market it's still a little bit elevated but all the data has contributed to to let a need on the client side for advice.
Regarding the volatility, the funding of their pension plans, etc. It's been good for us and our clients have been finding new ways to deal with the environment. Thank you, Marten, and thanks, Rob, for the follow-up.
You know, I want to thank you all for joining us on the call this morning. In closing, I want to thank our over 85,000 colleagues for their hard work and dedication. I also want to thank our clients for their continued support. So thank you all very much, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Operator, thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's program. You may now disconnect.