Q2 2023 Frontdoor Inc Earnings Call
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This time will begin today's coke. Please go ahead Mr. Davis.
Thank you operator, good morning, everyone and thank you for joining run your second quarter 2023 earnings Conference call.
Today, our front doors, chairman and Chief Executive Officer.
And front door, and Chief Financial Officer, Jessica Ross.
Press release, and slide presentation that will be used during today's call can be found on the Investor Relations section in front doors website, which is located at investors Dot front door home dotcom.
There is also additional detail about our front door brand that front door dotcom and our new mobile App that you can download in the App store and at Google play.
As stated on slide three the presentation I'd like to remind you that this call and webcast may contain forward looking statements.
These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here today. These.
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All forward looking statements are made as of today August 2nd and except as required by law.
Company undertakes no obligation to update any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information future events or otherwise.
We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures throughout today's call.
We have included definitions of these terms.
Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most comparable GAAP financial measures in our press release.
And the appendix to the presentation in order to better assist you in understanding our financial performance.
I will now turn the call over to Bill Cobb for opening comments.
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Thinking about Davis and good morning, everyone. Let me start by saying, we had a great second quarter I'm, especially excited to see that many of the headwinds continue to turn in our favor and this was especially true for the second quarter is everything superbowl our way.
Jessica will cover our financial results in more detail, but let me hit the highlights in the second quarter revenue increased 7%.
Gross profit increased 840 basis points to 52%.
Justin EBITDA jumped 57% to $121 million.
We repurchased $50 million of stock through July and we are raising our full year outlook for revenue adjusted EBITDA and share repurchases, we have come a long way over the last year and I am proud of how the team is executing across all functions.
Now turning to slide five.
Wallet is encouraging the Sierra margin to start to rebound, we still have work to do on driving revenue across our two growth engines, the front door and American home Shield brands.
To that point I want to use this call. It will provide you with a <unk> update on the strategy, we laid out at our Investor day in March.
First I want to acknowledge that the home service plan category has recently been in a state of decline.
We now estimate that there are about five to 6 million active at home service plans in the United States, but we know there was a lot more opportunity.
We continue to target that total addressable market for American home Shield at 13 million owner occupied homes.
Based on our third party research and we believe demand for the category was down somewhere around 10% in 2022 and.
And we believe that the decline has accelerated through the first half of 2023.
While it is disappointing for all of us that sell a home service plans, we believe our overall category sure has actually improved.
The real challenge has it been attracting new customers to a home warranty product and value proposition that is not substantially evolved over the years.
As the category leader, we're committed to updating our marketing and core consumer value proposition to attract new customers.
Once they become a customer there are highly likely to stay at a discount and our strong second quarter retention rates.
Now turning the side six and the renewals channel, where our retention rates continue to perform well.
Our overall retention rate increase to 190 basis points year over year to 76.3%.
This is especially strong when you consider or 11% realized price increase in 2023.
While a large portion of this improvement is driven by a lower mix of real estate customers. We have also been doing some smart things on the execution front.
Better personalization of customer communications, enhancing our dynamic pricing model and continuing to improve service quality.
One way, we have improved our customer service is from our process improvements to optimize contractor capacity and maximize use a preferred contractors.
Not only provides us with a lower cost of service, but it also results in a higher quality customer experience.
During the second quarter, our deployment of preferred contractors increased to approximately 84% versus 82% a year ago.
As a result of all these efforts we are seeing clear in progress.
Customer five star ratings of contractors are now at a decade high with one star ratings at an all time low.
Now turning to slide seven in our real estate channels. The National Association of Realtors, Oregon are recently came out with housing market statistics for June .
Existing homeless sales declined 23% during the first half of the year.
Slowly it closely correlates with the decline we are seeing in our real estate channel, which is highly dependent on the overall real estate environment.
Further it was reported that only 14 homes out of a thousand change hands in the first half of the year the lowest rate in the deck.
A decade.
Inventory remains tight at 3.1 months of supply, which contributed to driving median home prices up to $410000.
Prices are rising because there is more demand and supply and we're seeing bidding war has come back in certain markets.
In fact, some homeowners are reluctant to move because they have a substantially lower mortgage rate than the current market of nearly 7%.
In short the resurgence of the strong seller's market continues to delay the transition.
Two or more of a buyer go more balance buyer seller environment.
While we believe that the housing market will eventually become more conducive for us to sell a home warranty it is taking longer than we expected.
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Last quarter I discuss some of the challenges facing our DTC channel.
Includes the impact of changing consumer behavior due to evolving macroeconomic conditions higher price sensitivity for home service plans and reduced marketing spend.
Let me be clear growing hour DTC demand is our top focus as we head into the back half of this year.
That and we have several war extreme is to re energizes channel.
We are optimizing our discounting strategy, we have been testing into various discounts and I am pleased to report that we are seeing some positive results as our sales are coming in higher than our original plan.
Second we are increasing our marketing investment.
Given that the front door brand is generated such substantial consumer awareness. We are now able to reallocate $20 million to the American home Shield brand.
When including the 10 million dollar increase we made in the first quarter totaled DTC marketing spin is up $30 million compared to our original plan.
This means that we are now virtually flat on our DTC marketing investment on a year over year basis.
Now longer term, we know we need to update and enhance VHS brand to reevaluate our core value proposition.
So that we can engage more consumers in new and compelling ways.
This is exactly what Cathy Collins and her team are working on it as we speak.
To bring some of that front door brand marketing magic to American home Shield.
More to come here, which includes conducting extensive consumer and competitive research evaluating product improvements and finding ways to better connect our offerings with consumers.
Now, let's turn this slide nine of the web Decworld dive into more details on the front door brand strategy.
Just a quick reminder, that we previewed the front door branded are Investor day on March 2nd we launched the brand on April 11th and then on June 6th we launched front door premium.
I want to start by highlighting our on demand services, which totaled $20 million in the second quarter.
This is higher than we first anticipated when we decided to pursue aidsvax upgrades at the start of the year.
As a reminder, and HVAC upgrade is when we partner with our preferred contractors and leverage our scale to sell new HVAC units to our existing members at a steep discount.
We are now targeting approximately $45 million of revenue from our front door pro on demand home services in 2023.
Now I would like to return to the front door of marketing campaign, which has been.
Which has been a tremendous success and driving consumer brand awareness.
As of today, the App has been downloaded nearly 950000 times.
Significantly exceeding our original expectations.
Additionally, we have received consistently positive customer feedback, including rave reviews on the video chat with an expert feature and the easy to use app.
In all my years around marketing I have never seen awareness of a new brand take off like this and.
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Another way, we drove a sizeable level of awareness at a much lower price and in a much shorter time frame that originally planned.
As a result, we are now able to reallocate that $20 million, a marketing spend to help drive DTC sales within our American homes Scheel brands.
As I mentioned that our Investor day, we want the flexibility to invest across both the front door in American homes Scheel brands.
This allows us to optimize where our marketing dollars are being invested which is exactly what we're doing with you which is exactly what we're doing now.
But let me be very candid with you.
Despite extremely strong brand awareness converge into paid memberships services has not been what we anticipated.
We are working to address this by developing a robust strategy to monetize at high consumer awareness into paid services and we look forward to sharing more about where we're going next quarter.
We remain very bullish about the new front door brand. Our research shows there is significant untapped consumer demand the.
The number of downloads is a strong validation of the opportunity.
And now we just need to do a better job of unlocking the revenue potential.
Before I handed over to Jessica Let me briefly summarize where we are we had an exceptionally strong second quarter performance and we are raising our full year outlook across the board.
On the operational front, we are improving execution the previous cost headwinds. We saw last year have largely turned and we have had some extremely favorable trends driving gross margins higher.
But to be clear, we would still have much work to do while consumer awareness of front door has been tremendous we need to be better than converting app downloads into actual revenue.
On the DTC front, we understand the challenges there as well and are deep into making significant improvements to get this channel back on track track. This is our top focus in the back half of the year.
I will now turn the call over to Jessica to review our financial results Jessica.
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Sales and marketing costs increased $16 million in the second quarter, primarily related to launch a new flanked our band.
General and administrative costs increased $6 million driven by investments in technology and increased labor costs and professional fees.
And it has a net investment income increased $4 million as a result of driving interest rate on cash deposits.
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The total amount of Chevy practices in 20 $23 million to $50 million.
On slide 16, you'll see that are free cash flow is $96 million for the six months ended June 3rd yet.
We ended the second quite a with $344 million in cash.
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Pleased to increase our full year savvy purchase target to approximately $100 million.
Now turning to 517, and our third quarter and full year 2023 outlets.
We expect our third quarter revenues to be between $500 million and $515 million.
Approximately 15% pro and then a vanilla channel, partially offset by a mid 20 per cent decline in the real estate channel and.
And then lastly, 50 per cent decline in the D. T C channel.
Third quarter adjusted EBITDA is expected to range between $80 million and $90 million, an increase of 7% pay your period as a result of improving plus Martin's.
This incorporates the impact of the recent hot weather in July and expectation that it will continue into August and then largely which had to normal for the balance at the here.
Outlets also assumes customer service will pass patterns increase in the second half at the year.
Now turning to install your outlet we are increasing our 2023 revenue range to $1.73 billion to $175 billion or a 5% increase over 2022.
This anticipates a low double digit increase in revenue off channel a mid 20% decline in the real estate channel and a low double digit revenue decline in the DTC channel.
It also seems as a revenue increased to approximately $60 million as a result of swelling on demand services.
We continue to expect approximately 11% and higher price, which will more than offset a 6% decline from lower volume.
We also expect the number of home service plans to decline in the mid to upper single digits in 2023.
As a result, we continued to charge that ending the year with approximately 2 million home service plans, including about 500000, new first year customers across the DTC and real estate channels.
We increased our full year gross profit margin outlet to be between 45.5 and 47.5%.
Let me be clear.
Margin with 49% in the first half of the year due to the exceptional favor ability I mentioned earlier.
The second half press margin outlet is below the full year range that remains consistent with the expectations, we laid out at Investor day.
This also takes into account the recent hot weather trends and higher customer incidence rates in the back half of the year.
It also seems that inflation will average approximately 9% on cost per service <unk> and the number of customer service if possible decline, 9% to approximately 4.1 million.
We have seen cost improvements accelerate at the macro level. So replacement units over the last several months.
For example, the producer price index for a fast declined to 7% in the second quarter, some 25% in the prior year period.
We're seeing similar declines in buying likes to like products. However, I 2023 inflation rate is expected to be 9%, when adding and contractor related inflation regulatory changes and mix shift.
Full year SG&A target is between 575 and $590 million.
While the midpoint has not changed since last quarter, we are re allocating approximately $20 million from front door to the American home sale brand to drive D. T C sales.
As a result of target warhead working marketing spend for the front door brand is now approximately $40 million.
We spent approximately $25 million in the second quarter to launch the brand and expect a amanda to be spent in the third and fourth quarters.
Based on these updated and put we are raising our phone ear adjusted EBITDA range by $40 million to be between 260 and $280 million.
This includes stock compensation expense of approximately $30 million and $15 million an interesting huh.
And finally, we continued to project our full year capital expenditures to range between 35, and $45 million and the annual effective tax rate to be approximately 26 per cent.
In conclusion, we delivered an extremely strong second quarter.
We remain confident in our long term business outlet and we continue to build a strong foundation by progressing initiatives that intestinal brand technology infrastructure and productivity enhancements across the business.
With that I'll now turn the call back over to Bill for a few final comments before we go to Q&A.
Thanks, Jessica one final thing I would like to extend a warm welcome to Dr. <unk>.
Who just joined our board and two per customer Variola, who recently joined the senior Vice President and Chief Technology Officer.
Both of them will raise the bar on front doors ability to leverage technology and data and improve the customer and contractor experience strawberry to let us know open the lines for questions.
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Our first question comes from Brian Fitzgerald for Awhile Hawkeye, Brian . Please go ahead.
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Yeah, Hey, congrats on the corner of one of the digging on the front door.
You mentioned strong download the trouble converting users to pay plan.
I'm just curious if you consider any color on how users are engaging in the app.
Any sense for you know use the retention of those free users and then lastly, I wanted to double click on that point around improving conversion Bill paid plan.
What near term levers do you have available.
To get users onto those plans.
Okay. So let me.
Absorb all that so in terms of the App what were.
What we're doing is obviously, where we introduce the brand. The campaign has been very well received the amount of downloads et cetera.
What has happened is that we are working hard we have not been able to convert the those app downloads into the revenue that we thought which is caused us to take a look at a number of initiatives, including we just this week did a change.
Change to the registration slow that is showing early promise in terms of being being able to quickly register and become part of the front door for it because it goes from registration then obviously into the into the membership plans.
Right now we are working to figure out what's the best way between on demand services and membership plans to monetize that.
But like I say the reason I'm. So encouraged by this is not only the download is not only the receptivity to the campaign, but I wanted to give you a couple of a few steps.
The Kpis, we're looking at.
We do a tracking study.
Has been pretty consistent since we launched this and I want to give you the latest numbers.
So in this research, we only take account or take credit for anyone who responds extremely or very and I'll talk about what the components are.
So in terms of Likeability and this is where someone says they really liked the brand and extremely or very.
Brand average according to the research a house that we're using across leading brands reps is about 70% were at 81%.
When it comes to Irrelevance brand that's relevant to you the average for a brand is about 44% where it's 65%.
<unk> differentiating this is something unique something disruptive et cetera average again, 45%, where it's 60% pluses over 80% interest in the concept et cetera. So all the consumer variables and in my experience. This is going to translate.
Into a real a real brand. The other thing is the user experience and I don't know how many of you have used the video chat with an expert or whatever we're getting extremely high marks at the ability of the experts to diagnose problems too in many cases.
Homeowner in terms of fixing it so.
So we're a little disappointed in terms of the revenue piece, but it's very early days were only four months into this we only launched the premium product less than two months ago. So we're working right now to figure out what that.
What's that.
<unk> well, we had a meeting with our board last week, they're extremely supportive of this.
A lot of them said they've seen this in their careers, where you start out and there's such interest in the brand is just figuring out with the revenue model is so we.
We remain very bullish on this and more to come on this as I mentioned, but I think those are those are real there there.
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Two quick ones any DTC channel is there anything in particular that you're seeing that kind of gives you the confidence and heavier with the shifting of $20 million in market you spend and then secondly on the 84 per cent preferred contractor usage and <unk> are you could expand on how much kind of more room, you have there to that higher thanks.
So first of all with the with the D. C. C. I think we've under invested in the Hs friend today and.
We still think and we're a big believer in.
The core value proposition of.
Warranty plan is still very appealing to consumers.
Look at that what I was talking about it with the real estate numbers with people not moving repairs and maintenance or not going to go away. So we still think that that we have some tailwinds behind us. It's just a matter of us looking into how do we best appeal to people to get them over over the line.
Is it a discretionary purchase purchase with the price increases we had to take I think the entire industry has had to take there is a little bit of sticker shock.
I think as as normalizes, we feel very confident in terms of how old.
This can resonate in terms start to turn our our unit count in the right direction as far as contractor Uhm is 84% of the limited.
Of course, not but we don't think it is I don't think it'll ever be 100% with the work that we've done over the past six to nine months with the contractor relations team, which has been terrific. We haven't set a specific goal. We wanted to see how things played out that something will work on in terms of what the what the stretch target will be but.
Certainly I'm pleased with the 84%, but I don't think anyone in with our contractor relations team is satisfied with that and they want to continue to drive that fire.
Just add onto that.
Continuous improvement perspective.
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Next question comes from Charleston patch of symptoms Keybanc Jonathan Pizza.
Great. Thank you this is sergio on for Justin.
Dale I appreciate the color on increasing investment in the DTC marketing and I think you said, it's spot now expected to be flat versus a year ago.
How this strategy with a D. C. C brand in particular has evolved to increase the RLI on that investment versus a year ago.
Then Jessica maybe one for you just how you're thinking about the weather impact as we head into three Q in the guide them.
Often the headlines of the extreme heat.
Starting this starting in July so just curious on how you're thinking about the weather impact therein.
Potential increase in service request you to warm weather. Thank you.
Yeah, no like Sergio in terms of the ROI et cetera.
It's an interesting.
Question.
Because you could argue that the Roy so the first half of the year was actually better because we had reduced spending.
But it didn't translate into units.
The thing with DCC units is it's not about the first year, it's not about that Roy return it's about the the.
The LGBT the long term value up against the cost of acquisition and generally we have seen over time that given our strength and and the renewal of area that we're able to renew people.
In the end to the mid to high seventies Uhm normally that's about a three extra return.
We don't see anything that has changed that we just have to get more units and we have to appeal to people.
And then and then Avenue, where as I said earlier the industry has been <unk>.
Decline lately I don't think it's a it's going to be consistent or persistent and I think it's as we normalized pricing.
We will come out of really inflation moderating there is a need for this the value proposition has not declined. So that's why we're going to continue and we're going to invest more in the back half of the year and look to this is our number one priority as we go forward now with regard to the weather impact I'll turn it over to a desk or thanks, yeah. Thanks Bye.
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Listening to the news is extremely hot weather across the United States, We don't expect that favor ability to continue into the back half. So yes that has kind of been absolutely baked into our into our outlet can't reflect hotter weather in July and continuing to August and then as I said earlier I think uhm, we're gonna get back to normal service <unk>.
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Jessica Martha right in thinking that if somebody has an air conditioning issue. They call you up immediately there wouldn't be any kind of lag and your ability to see what the acquaintance trends are that's fair.
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Yeah that'd be the question was used around the timing of when you get the cleans notifications.
The extreme hot weather.
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If someone's air Conditioner goes I assume you'll get notified pretty quickly that there is a potential.
You kind of just talking just in terms of a claims development process style, you're absolutely right. We know you know absolutely we outside the number of members service request each day by train.
Don't necessarily know the cost.
Tibet until the claim is that the whole transaction is finalized and the payments, so which can take two to three months of that kind of where you're going and then <unk>.
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Yeah, Mark what I would say also and is this isn't answering the question. We can we can probe further on this but one of the things that happens during a time like this is an increase in service request. Obviously, so yes, we'd love to have our preferred contractors handle every call, but that's why we have to use other contractors and that's where our costs are higher.
Generally know what the preferred contractors are gonna do and that's what happens is we have to estimate the cost of the end of each each quarter. So it's a little bit of a tricky the formula as you would try to blend the preferred with a because we have to try to respond, especially when it when it comes to something like a track we have to try to respond to our.
Customers as quickly as we can so that's that's another part of the equation that they can get a little.
A little difficult as we as we try to forecast the cost.
Yeah, Yeah, it sounds like though that you've got pretty good line of sight at least in terms of.
Frequency of claims given the hot weather.
That is informed your guidance.
Yeah, why don't you talk about how we true things up yeah now that time has just stomach we have.
Detailed process uhm within my team. So every quarter. We are looking at all of the data that we have in terms of actual service a class. We're looking at historical data on fast current that data on weather and performing an estimate at each corner and I think he probably same then we typically have either I think about or anything.
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That is of letting the numbers on this regular army dot at very detailed process to make sure that we're getting out the estimate.
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Right and then the I think your revenue recognition pattern you you tend to recognize more revenue.
In the summer months Q2, Q3 to correspond with claims cost. So there's more of matching there were there any updates to that pattern this quarter.
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No there's been no changes in just to kind of remind our contact with our customers are generally 12 months in duration, so regardless of whether the caches I saved upfront and with for example, the real estate channels I'm, sorry that that is a monthly over the contract period <unk>, we on a contract by contract basis back to nine 112th of that and.
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As far as the declines in service plans that you were mentioning.
Is that primarily in you think the real estate channel.
We can see channel and renewal channels, you know basically what is driving and what area might be driving.
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So let me just to make sure I understood your firm.
First one are you asking about the decline in service requests and where is it coming from by channel.
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Okay and do you think it's temporary but I'm asking you both like where is that a decline most pronounced yesterday and uhm real estate.
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In direct to consumer so as it is in those two areas that we are seeing the softness.
As you can see from a renewal of the book.
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It's been pretty consistent and improving.
Does that help at all and then.
The second one inflation, hey, so just as a reminder, arthritis, our internal inflation is comprised of three main back at the contractor related caught parts and equipment and then the impact of regulatory changes and mix in some regulatory changes things related to energy and efficiency on a stack and plumbing and fell while we're thing.
What the rest of the World a thing in terms of low inflation when buying like for like products like we talked about eight fact that 7% think P. P. I for appliances at three per cent. When you add up about three components collectively we're still setting it that that 9% right now which is what we are targeting thoughtful your outlet.
And again, you know just getting to our internal process and payments were working hard.
That sort of thing side, the contact of relations side to bring that down but right now are holding with Michelle Uhm inflation estimate that we gave added after that.
Okay. Thank you and if I could just sneak in one quick one more on the front door initiative you seem revenues now come in.
The sense of where margins my shuttle out or kind of what you're targeting as far as profitability backwardness versus maybe decor, a cash business. Thanks.
Yeah, I think it's <unk>. It's the right question, it's a little early to tell as we figure out the mix of this conversion the pace paid plans and the on demand piece. So we are an answer on that I don't think we have it at this point, we're still trying to sort through.
It should be it should be you know a positive impact obviously on demand it a little bit different economics that <unk>.
Many cases is it really beneficial, especially like on a track upgrades in terms of the dollar amount as opposed to the the margin itself, but we're still working through that but we're conscious of the interest in that.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Our next question comes with Eric <unk>, Eric. Please go ahead.
Thanks, So much for particular question and I think.
Download success, you guys have had seems to be a direct beneficiary of the marketing shift you highlighted at the analyst a couple of quarters ago can we talk a little bit about how the marketing approach of the company might've halls.
Between the elements of aiming towards brand building a driving.
App downloaded to evolution into conversion and monetization and what that might mean in terms of both overall marketing spend in some of the targeting of where you spend those dollars as we look not only this year, but over the medium to long term. Thanks, so much.
Yeah I think.
We were very pleased and that's why we're relocating money to American home gym with the awareness building I can't pay we are we are going to shift our emphasis overtime to the conversion aspect. So I don't really have a specific in terms of what the what those amounts are but and beyond.
Jessica said will will spend roughly $15 million in front door in the back have some of that will be in a test mode. As we work through some of these revenue model pieces.
But an overall $40 million.
Not going to comment on 24 does yet because we haven't figured out our plan for them. So.
We'll see what the what the notion is but the idea is that we are really pleased with the with the awareness building campaign. We're pleased with the receptivity to the concept now we gotta figure out how we're gonna convert that into paid paid.
Membership sales.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
She smiled to enter the Q&A session and ladies and gentlemen, Thank you again for joining sunk to second quarter 2020, <unk> todays call. It now completed.
Thank you. Thank you.
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