Q2 2023 Bank of Marin Bancorp Earnings Call
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Thank you for joining Bank of Marin Vancouver's earnings call for the second quarter ended June 30, 2023. I'm Andrea Henderson, Director of Marketing for Bank of Marin.
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This conference call is being recorded on July 24, 2023.
Joining us on the call today are Tim Myers, President and CEO , and Tawny Gertin, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Our earnings press release and supplementary presentation, which we issued this morning, can be found in the investor relations portion of our website at bankofmurray.com.
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Before we get started, I want to note that we will be discussing some non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the reconciliation table in our earnings press release for both GAAP and non-GAAP measures. Additionally, the discussion on this call is based on information we know as of Friday, July 21, 2023.
and may contain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements.
For discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review the forward-looking statements disclosure in our earnings press release, as well as our SEC filings.
Following our prepared remarks, Tim Tawney and Chief Credit Officer Misako Stewart will be available to answer your questions.
And now I'd like to turn the call over to Tim Myers.
Thank you, Andrea. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter earnings call.
Our second quarter reflected the full impact of the late Q1 bank failures, resulting in meaningful net interest margin compression due largely to the higher cost of funds on FHLB borrowings and deposits paired with slower lending activity. We believe that this impact is temporary in nature.
and will not be an indicator of future performance, as we have continued to make significant progress by focusing on our balance sheet. In fact, we substantially strengthen the balance sheet by attracting customers, raising deposits, and improving liquidity to position the bank for efficient growth and stronger profitability. Here are a few key highlights of note.
After regional bank failures triggered significant industry deposit outflows and price sensitivity, our deposits quickly stabilized late in the first quarter.
During the second quarter, we raised $152 million in new balances at below capital market rates. Additionally, we opened over 1,400 accounts for both new and existing customers. New balances, net abnormal customer activity, and some continued outflow largely to money market accounts.
through a deposit growth of $75 million in the second quarter. Importantly, those new deposits and investment cash flows enabled us to reduce our short-term borrowings at the FHLB by $113 million, or 28%, during the second quarter.
Deposit growth has continued post quarter end and included seasonal DDA growth we had anticipated. From quarter end to July 18th, we added $116 million to total deposits, which are now within $50 million of pre-bank failure levels in early March 2023. Our percentage of demand deposits has also increased to a...
active customer outreach and relationship-based pricing discussions.
We have not offered CD specials or tapped into brokered CD markets.
In the quarter, we saw a natural shift from non-interest-bearing to interest-bearing deposits as customers sought higher yields on excess cash as well as increased FDIC insurance coverage to our reciprocal deposit network offerings.
Second quarter deposit costs increased 49 basis points sequentially due to deliberate pricing adjustments that we made.
We expect that funding cost increases will level off in the second half of 2023 as Fed rate hikes and customer reallocation of funds between operating accounts and interest-bearing accounts slow.
Our deposit mix at June 30 consisted of 48% non-interest bearing deposits, down from 50% last quarter. However, the percentage of non-interest bearing deposits was back up to 50% by July 18.
Going forward, we will continue to carefully manage deposit pricing on a customer-specific basis, and as we have throughout our history, we'll remain in close contact with our customers to understand opportunities and risks.
In alignment with our stringent liquidity standards, we continue to maintain a high level of liquidity that covers all of our uninsured deposits by over 200%.
Notably, our uninsured deposits declined to 29% from 33% of our total deposits at quarter N.
In addition, our average balance per deposit account declined slightly by $2,000 to $62,000 from the prior quarter, with our largest depositor representing only 1.3% of total deposits.
Our available contingent liquidity was approximately $2 billion and consisted of cash, unencumbered securities and borrowing availability from the FHLB and Federal Reserve Bank.
Post quarter end, we have taken additional steps to bolster on balance sheet liquidity by selling AFF securities and Visa B class shares at a net breakeven and retaining proceeds in cash. In addition, we entered into fixed pay interest rate swaps to protect our other available for sale securities from changes in market value.
We also continue to actively engage with and support our borrowers, and we are optimistic about identifying compelling lending opportunities in the second half of this year. While lending activity has slowed, the new loans that we are bringing onto our books are high quality credits.
coming on at notably higher yields than those being paid off.
This is providing a boost to our interest income and moving forward we believe should help us protect our NIM as we continue to fund our pipeline.
Additionally, approximately 29% of our loan portfolio will reprice in the next 12 months.
If those reprisings occurred at today's rates, we estimate it will provide an incremental lift of roughly 30 basis points for the loan portfolio.
While loan demand is eased, our teams continue to focus on achieving attractive risk-adjusted returns while maintaining solid credit quality.
We are sticking to the prudent lending policies and standards that we have always had, carefully monitoring our loan portfolio and proactively adjusting risk rating.
While there has been some risk-grade migration, largely in special mention loans, there were no meaningful surprises in the quarter.
During the second quarter, non-accrual loans held steady at just 10 basis points of total loans.
Classified loans comprised only 1.81% of total loans at quarter end. Classified loans did increase during the quarter, centered primarily around the non-office CRE loan, the C&I term loan, and increased usage on a previously downgraded line of credit.
I'll take a moment to provide added color to our commercial real estate portfolio as it is the largest concentration in our loan book representing 73% of our total loan balances at the end of the second quarter.
Of our total CRE loans, 22% are owner-occupied, which we believe carry a different risk profile than non-owner-occupied loans in this environment.
Our $366 million of non-owner-occupied office portfolio consists of 142 loans with an average loan size of $2.6 million, the largest loan being $17 million.
The average LTV was 55% and the average death service coverage was 1.67 times based on our most recent annual review process.
Lastly, we are actively recruiting proven talent as recent industry disruption has made available a considerable number of seasoned bankers.
We have taken advantage of the recent market changes and expect to announce some meaningful recruiting news soon that we believe will help boost lending activity and deposit growth and deliver greater value to our customers and our shareholders.
Now, I'll pass it over to Tani to discuss our financial results in greater detail.
Thanks, Tim. Good morning, everyone.
Now that Tim has provided a picture of how our balance sheet is evolving, I will walk through earnings.
Bank of Marin generated net income of $4.6 million or 28 cents per diluted share in the second quarter.
As Tim said, the decline from the first quarter was largely due to a higher interest expense both from the rising cost of deposits and higher average borrowing balances.
Our second quarter tax equivalent net interest margin of 2.45% was down 59 basis points from the prior quarter as rapid deposit pricing adjustments and higher borrowing balances far outweighed gradually increasing loan yields.
While lagging deposit rate increases delayed NIM compression and contributed to 2022 earnings, it also resulted in more change concentrated in the second quarter of 2023.
We expect pressure on our net interest margin to continue in the second half of 2023, but to abate somewhat as deposit rates have caught up with market rate changes and loan yields are expected to continue improving.
Additionally, we have taken steps early in the third quarter to mitigate the impact of further rate hikes by paying down another $126 million in borrowings, selling $83 million in securities to retain proceeds in cash, and entering into $102 million fixed-pay interest rate swaps.
and classified loans and collateral value.
Subsequent to quarter end, we sold our only other real estate owned property at a slight higher cost of separation from Santa Anita, Michigan, June 23, 2018.
Non-interest income of $2.7 million was down modestly from the first quarter, primarily related to the recognition of policy payments on bank-owned life insurance in the first quarter, somewhat offset by higher debit card interchange fees and wealth management and trust services income in the second quarter.
Non-interest expenses remain well controlled at $20.7 million for the quarter, up from $19.8 million in the first quarter.
The increase included $589,000 in annual giving program charitable contributions, $486,000 in salaries and related benefits which included annual merit increases.
$393,000 in deposit network expenses and a $377,000 FDIC assessment base rate adjustment.
These increases were partially offset by reductions of $482,000 in depreciation and amortization expense and $434,000 in occupancy and equipment expense related to first quarter branch closures.
In addition, professional services decreased by 326,000 related to the timing of audit work performed.
Our second quarter earnings translated into a return on assets of 0.44% and return on equity of 4.25%, down from 0.92% and 9.12% in the prior quarter.
The efficiency ratio increased to 76.91% from 60.24% in the prior quarter due to both higher interest and non-interest expenses.
All capital ratios were above well-capitalized regulatory requirements at June 30.
The total risk-based capital ratios for Bancorp and the bank increased to 16.4 percent and 15 percent respectively.
Quarter-end tangible common equity was 8.6% for Bancor and 8.4% for Bank of Marin as compared to 8.7% and 8.3% in the previous quarter respectively.
After adjusting for 85 million after-tax unrealized losses in our HTM securities portfolio, our TCE ratio would be 6.7% for Bancorp.
Our board of directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of 25 cents per share payable on August 11, 2023. This represents the 73rd consecutive quarterly dividend paid by Bank of Marin Bancorp.
The Board also approved a new share repurchase program for $25 million effective through July 2025. Our ample capital position and high quality investment portfolio provide strength and liquidity for the ongoing operations and investments in the future of Bank of Marin.
We evaluate the bank's interest rate, liquidity, economic value, and market price risks under various scenarios regularly, and we stress test underlying assumptions.
We believe that our unwavering emphasis on the fundamentals of relationship banking and credit, liquidity and capital management will continue to position Bank of Marin to navigate challenging cycles profitably.
Now I'll turn it back to Tim to share some final comments.
Thank you, Tawny. In conclusion, while the current rate environment and the effects of the recent bank failures caused a significant impact on our net interest margin and earnings in the second quarter, we continue to believe those effects to be temporary.
Due to our intense focus on the balance sheet, we considerably enhance our prospects for NIM and EPS improvement going forward while doing nothing outside our normal business model and we have seen material improvement post quarter end.
With that, I want to thank everyone on today's call for your interest and support. We will now open the call to your questions.
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Our first question is from the line of David Feaster with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning everybody.
Morning David, how are you? Maybe just starting out on the deposit side and the flows. You know, look, it's great to hear the commentary that you had about what you guys have been very active this far in the third quarter already. But I'm just curious...
If you could characterize some of the NIB flows, it sounds like it's a lot of its seasonality. I'm curious how much has continued to count growth and then just...
How do you think about continued deposit growth going forward and your efforts there, your strategy to continue to drive growth, and then is the plan to continue to have deposit growth outpace loans and pay down the borrowings?
hopefully by the end of the year? So good question. So the movement and demand deposit accounts in the quarter and after quarter end were reflective of our normal seasonality. You had payroll and taxes in there on the outflow side, and we have some seasonal increases that we mentioned on the call last quarter where they start to go up.
maybe $10 million or so of that deposit raising effort was in checking accounts. Most of that was in interest-bearing, as you can imagine, because we're going out and soliciting funds. So the bulk of the money we mentioned we raised through our deposit initiative was interest-bearing, but what was nice was the weighted average.
rate on that was 320 for the whole pool, so still well below our cost of borrowing. So the goal is to continue to raise deposits. Our goal is not to shrink loans. Our goal is to grow loans. We continue to build a pipeline. We did have some closings we expected to happen get pushed into the next quarter.
You know, when you talk about issues with office real estate, tenancy issues or vacancy, you know, we're seeing that affect us kind of more in the pipeline than we are in the portfolio. Our portfolio is maintained very steady, but we have had to do in our pipeline activities weed out where there's a lot of lease turnover risk, etc.
valuation risk. So we continue to build a pipeline. We're looking to make some hires in the near future to help drive that growth. So the goal is to continue to build deposits, pay down the borrowings, and continue to drive a pipeline that will result in loan growth. So long-winded answer. We're trying to do both.
But we did have a very concerted effort on the fundamentals in the quarter of raising deposits at the lowest rates we could, because those will retain as customers when all this goes away. And those rates will eventually subside. And we are trying to maintain that mix of non-interest bearing and interest bearing as close to that level as we are today as we can.
Okay that's helpful and I want to touch on the growth side in just a second but before we get there you know there's there's a lot of moving parts for all the things that we've talked about as it relates to the margin and just hearing Tani kind of your commentary it sounds like expect a bit more pressure in the back half of the year but it sounds like we're getting close to the trough I was hoping just given
You know, all the moving parts in there between the borrowing paydowns, the deposit growth you've seen in your quarter, if you could just help us think about the timing of a trough and kind of the nintrojectory as we look forward. Yeah, I can help you with that. So short answer, I believe we have hit the trough, but if not soon, and a lot of that is.
just dependent on, you know, as we continue to go out and try to bring in more deposits, which we would like to do to pay down some more of those federal home loan bank borrowings, at what rate those end up coming in at. But if you think about it, you know, we sold about 83 million in securities. That gave us proceeds of about 80 million.
the base case, no rate change scenario.
And assuming a Fed funds rate increase just won in next, this week, you know, we'd probably, we'll probably pick up 70 basis points there and also the 150 basis points that I gave you on securities.
That also assumes a 25 basis point increase in the Fed this week.
So let's see, the other thing is on deposits, if you look at where we were July 18, you know, we got another 20 basis points in cost. So cost of deposits was up to 89. That's the wild card where that one's going.
But then you've got borrowings coming down by $175 million, and those had yielded about $518 during the quarter. But offsetting that, you know, you have $200 million remaining in federal home loan bank borrowings, and that's because we're, you know, retaining
the 80 million on the balance sheet, that portion would go up 25 basis points. So you put it all together, I think, you know, assuming no growth to the balance sheet and, you know, again, not taking into account where deposits are going to go beyond where they went as of July . So that's the first step.
the June figure.
I was that I was thinking about the second quarter.
Okay, so you think margin starts expanding here in the third quarter?
Yes, that's what I'm thinking. With all those assumptions and caveats I gave you. Yes, of course. Of course. And then Tim, back to your point on the growth side. I mean it's encouraging to hear about the opportunities, understand some delays. I'm just curious, things getting pushed back. I'm just curious maybe if you could talk about what you're hearing from your clients, what's the pulse of your market?
how much this slowdown is truly like demand versus your appetite for growth. It sounds like you still have a pretty big appetite for growth. Where you're still seeing good risk adjusted returns and then just kind of where these new hires are coming from. Is it infill? Is it market expansion?
Just any color on all that, I know it's a broad category, but just curious what you're seeing. Sure. So there's no question that with rates where they are, and a lot of our client base being real estate investors, that the demand is muted. We actively are pushing on a C&I calling program.
through, you know, is there a rollover risk? Are we sacrificing some of our credit standards, meaning if there's a third of that tenant list that's going to roll over the next year or two and they want a five or seven-year loan, you know, those conversations are a little more protracted because we're just not going to stretch right now. And so we are, I think it's pretty even throughout our footprint about the opportunities we're seeing. A lot of that is in the
that already understand how we do things that can benefit growth within our model, but also bring us new things but on the edges, meaning not changing dramatically our lending appetite for our strategic push around that. Does that answer your question, David? Yeah, no, that's terrific. Thanks for all color.
Hey Dave, can I go back to, I think I left out loans on my last description. That 10 basis points also includes an assumption of an increase of roughly 7 basis points on the loan portfolio with the embedded repricing and also assuming a 25 basis point increase at the Fed.
Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Our next question is from Andrew Terrell with Stevens. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Tim. Morning, Tony. Morning, Andrew. Um, time just to go back to that last point on the, on the 10 basis point, pick up at the margin, can you, uh, talk about the underlying assumptions that might be in that commentary in terms of
incremental deposit cost pressure?
So what that includes is the list to 89 basis points that we disclosed in earnings in the release and the presentation as of July 18th. It doesn't include anything else because like I said that's the big wild card.
It's really tough to assess right now because while we think that the repricing on the deposit portfolio is going to slow down because we had so much catch up to do during the quarter.
We're still having those conversations and we're still pricing kind of at levels where we've been pricing. There hasn't been a lot of pressure to take it up higher than that. But then you get another 25 basis points. My initial thought is the next 25 basis points.
won't be as impactful as all of that catch-up. And since we've caught up to where Fed funds are today, it might not come in as strong, but it's really, really hard to gauge. Yep, understood. No, I appreciate that. So let's move to a biteaway roll here from the
If I could drill down the deposit front specifically, I appreciate the disclosure for the 89 basis points quarter to date in the third quarter. I guess, can you give us a sense on how that compares to where total deposit costs ended the quarter or what the June deposit cost ended?
was on average, just trying to get a sense of really whether or not the cost pressure is leveling off throughout the third quarter or not. Yeah, so the second quarter total cost of deposits was 69 basis points.
If we just look at the month of June , that was 82 basis points. And if we look at... Got a word?
July 1 through July 18, that was 89 basis points. Understood. Okay, so only a seven basis point list so far throughout the month of July versus the spot at the end of June . We do think the pace of requests is moderated. It hasn't stopped. But as a number...
of you and your peers noted on our last call, Andrew, we had a lot of catch up to do. We talked about the fourth quarter where given the loan to deposit ratio, not being full transparency into where rates were going to go, we're slower to adjust our rates than the events of early March happened. We had already started that process, but you know, we're going to have to do a lot of
I was going to ask a question on just the presentation mentioned the interest rate risk modeling assumption using a 35% interest bearing beta. I think if I recall correctly from the last quarter call, we've discussed kind of a 45% beta on interest bearing for the prior kind of...
rate risk modeling assumption, but expectations to outperform that. I get a lot of moving pieces right now, but what drove the moderation to 35% in this presentation from, I think, the previous discussion of 45%? Is that kind of where you'd, I guess, now that we've seen a lot of the catch up, is that kind of firmly where you...
think you're going to shake out from a beta perspective? So that's a little bit of apples and oranges. The 45 percent beta was on money market deposits only and the 35 is on all interest-bearing deposits.
So we're not changing our betas. We're definitely not taking the betas down. In fact, what we're doing is we're eliminating the lag.
in our modeling.
Okay, understood, understood. And then it sounds like maybe getting close on some team hires, I'm just hoping to maybe get a sense on the non-interest expense, kind of run rate moving forward, and how much you can share about the team hires or individual hires you might expect and how that influences the expense.
I'll just leave that one there just because I don't want to, for disclosure reasons.
Yep, understood. Okay, thank you for the questions. Yeah, there was, David Ziester, I did fail to answer, I think, part of your question around the growth and the loan yield. So if you look at the quarter, the loans that came on were how to yield a weighted average yield of about 6.6.
which was considerably higher than the average of those paying off. Unfortunately, the ones that paid off were still high compared to our overall portfolio yield at around $595, but that gives you a sense of the pickup as originations as we hope will improve.
and sort of move it around, but excluding any additional hires. I know there was a little bit of noise in the 2Q expenses with the charitable contributions, but if you adjust for that, I mean, does 2Q seem like a reasonable run rate going forward?
I appreciate. Oh, sorry, what was the last thing you said there?
Sorry, I just said excluding any potential hires. Okay, so depreciation, amortization, occupancy, and equipment, those two lines, those reflect the branch closures now and are indicative of the go-forward levels. So most of the acceleration was in the...
is look at the first quarter FDIC and adjust for the change in deposits and then raise that by 67 percent because the second quarter included an adjustment for the first quarter because we
We incorporated that later than we should have. We should have accrued for it in the first quarter. And then it also included a higher accrual for the go-forward. So that's going to, it's going to be lower than Q2, but higher than Q1. You are absolutely right on charitable contributions. Those mostly go out in.
Q2. The rest of them seem pretty indicative. Other expenses higher because we do have more reciprocal deposits. So that's also indicative. Yeah, that's helpful.
Maybe shifting over to the new client disclosure, I mean, it looked like it was a really successful quarter on that front. How sticky do you view these clients and how optimistic are you that you can sort of get the full suite of business over time with these clients?
Oh, that's a good question. I do tend to think it's sticky. A lot of that was going back and getting money that had left. So you look at the number of accounts that were opened, just over half was new accounts for existing customers, so reallocating the architecture of their account structure, putting some money that was in a DDA into an interest bearing account.
we can grow that relationship in their totality.
Got it. And then last for me, I saw the renewed buyback announcement. Just with, you know, the volatility in the market seeming to settle down a little bit, are there any updated thoughts on how you are thinking about the buyback?
They're very similar to how we have described it in the past. We think our stock is a tremendous value. We think the impact that we've had on earnings as a result of what happened in Q1 remains temporary and we want to have the ability to take advantage of that value depression and purchase the stock.
All that being said, we are being very cautious about capital preservation, so we're not rushing out to do that, but we want to retain the ability to do so. Got it. Thanks, guys. I think I'll just add, you know, our top priority in the capital management is to make sure that there isn't a source for Horizon 5 or Horizon 5 and so on.
All right. Thanks, Ed.
Thank you. Our next question is from Jeff Fuleis with DA Davidson. Please go ahead. Thanks. Good morning. Morning, Jeff. Tony, appreciate all the color on the deposit and trends in cost.
Did you have a month of June managers margin average? Yes, let me pull that. I should already have that at my fingertips because it sounds to me not every time. I'll pull it just a second. Okay. Maybe these.
During that, I wanted to hop to the classified loan increase, the loans that I think you've outlined in the loan segments, CNI, CRE, line of credit. Do you have within industries and geography of those additions on classifieds?
Yeah, I'm going to ask Masako Stewart, our Chief Crowd Officer, to talk about the classifieds. Yeah, there's not really a concentration in geography, if that's the question, and it's kind of across the board in terms of both the migration that we saw from Watch 2, the criticize and criticize to classify, where it kind of covers all different...
again as Tim noted it was an increased usage on an already existing classified loan and then two loans that downgraded one a C&I term loan and the other a
a CRE secured terminal as well. In different geographies. Got it. So yeah, not so much geographic concentration, just kind of where they were. So it sounds like it was spread throughout the footprint.
Yeah, both geographically and asset class diversified. If you look at the largest migration we had, which was in the special mention within Criticize, it's all over the place. There's nothing alike there. There was CNI on the wine industry side, a motel.
a retail commercial real estate space, and a multifamily space. None in the same geography, none in the same asset class. So we have not seen meaningful deterioration in any one particular class. The problems we have on the substandard side remain the same ones we've been talking about for multiple quarters. And again, the increase in that, as Masako noted, was outstanding usage on the substandard
a C&I revolving credit that we're negotiating full real estate collateral for. So we've been able to focus on those properties. Right. And that line has since paid down. And I also wanted to note too, the migration from watch to special mention isn't necessarily indicative of deterioration. We just haven't seen any meaningful improvement and we kind of treat the watch category as mandatory, so we don't see any.
appreciate the buyback, you know, a prudent, cautious approach.
You know a philosophy kind of question I guess on the TCE. I think you got I think it's eight six current and I think six seven with AOC I baked in What do you value more? I mean is that a guiding?
kind of thought. I mean the regulatory capital is very robust. I don't know if you look at that. Is that part of the cautiousness of, you know, with AOCI? Do you value that metric or do you look at 86? I guess I'm trying to get to what's the capital target that you value most that we should look at.
It's a good question, Jeff, and I'm not sure I have a solid answer, meaning we look at all those factors all the time and those are the conversations we have amongst ourselves and with the board. Meaning, yes, we have high regulatory capital, but right now T-E-C ratio is important. It's important to the investment community, it's important to us, and we do have to look at that adjusted for AOCI.
or the impact of unrealized losses in the HTM book. And so, and certainly we'll look at that within the context of our deposit trends and our asset growth and our earnings generation. So it's, you know, we look at all of that and yes, we want to take advantage of the stock value and we'd love to buy back more shares. We just look at all those factors and say, okay, what's the right thing to do at this time?
So there is no one clear answer for you, and I'm not saying that to be evasive, but if we continue along the balance sheet cleanup path that we're on, our earnings start to improve and we don't feel like we're going to have any other marginal, I'm sorry, meaningful impacts to capital, then we'll certainly take a lot closer look at that.
Thank you. Okay, Jeff, back to your month of June net interest margin question. That was 2.4%. And just to give a little bit of color to that, our fed funds borrow, sorry, our funds purchase borrow balance.
that we're holding because we are keeping the 83 million or the proceeds from the 83 million sold on the balance sheet. The borrowing level is now closer to 125 million. So that's going to have a significant impact on the margin improvement. Tony that.
the 240 is relative to the fully tax equivalent 245.
is relative to the fully tax equivalent 245. That is correct.
Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you. As a reminder, to register for questions, you may press the 1 followed by the 4. Our next question is from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, Tintani.
I appreciate it. Thank you. Mm-hmm. As a reminder, to register for questions, you may press the 1 followed by the 4. Our next question is from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, Tintani. Morning, everyone.
Just on the.
The restructuring within the securities portfolio looks like you're taking advantage of the visa gain here. Just what's your appetite for restructuring?
more of that portfolio in the back half here? So that's a tough question. We impacted $180 million if you include the swaps in terms of our interest rate risk position. So in terms of selling securities, I think we want to remain opportunistic.
You know, it's really a matter of once you start taking losses, what's the earned-back period? And we'd be looking at a very short earned-back period and that's, you know, that's frankly hard to achieve right now. Do you think inherently, what no brand is the best Florida elf?
know, if rates go down and we do have that opportunity, then we will take it. Okay, great. And then in terms of the swap, what are the specific terms there in terms of what you're receiving tied to what index?
and we do have that opportunity, then we will take it. Okay, great. And then in terms of the swap, what are the specific terms there in terms of what you're receiving tied to what index and what you're paying?
So we did $50 million in two and a half years and we did $50 million in three years and the underlying on those is the AFS security portfolio. Those are floating at SOFR.
And the fixed rates are on average in the 4.5% range.
And the fixed rates are on average in the 4.5% range. 4.5%. And that... Thank you for watching Level 3 smaller than normal with a snage, mobile-even includes web tool functionality, liveddt-umbles, videos, videos that the V through V
Yes. Okay, didn't mean to cut you off. And then on your interest-bearing deposit beta assumption of 35% for the cycle.
And in light of the spot rate on July 18th,
And assuming another 25 basis points this week by the Fed would imply
I've been assuming another 25 basis points this week by the Fed would imply your deposit cost.
meaningfully, in terms of the rate of increase, meaningfully slow beginning of the fourth quarter and into one queue and I'm assuming I'm not missing anything but just didn't want to speak out of turn.
meaningfully, in terms of the rate of increase, meaningfully slow, beginning in the fourth quarter and into one Q. And I'm assuming I'm not missing anything, but just didn't want to speak out of turn. That's a fair assumption.
Matthew, you're talking about fourth quarter of 22 and first quarter of 23? No fourth quarter of this year. No I'm just saying it looks like given the spot rate you provided, you have another step up here in the upcoming quarter, but then after that you get to that back end there with 35% deposit beta.
It would suggest that your deposit costs The rate of change, you know meaningfully slows beginning in the fourth quarter of this year and into next year Yes, that is in the numbers I gave earlier that is the Embedded in a function
with a lot of caveats, but I only assumed a 25 basis point increase in Fed funds rates.
But in our modeling, of course, it's different. In the base case, you're assuming zero interest rate changes. And then in the up scenarios, we apply the betas with no lag. So those actually would go up.
faster than what was assumed in previous modeling attempts. We're running our, we will run our next model on, as of July 31st, and that will take into account all of the actions, balance sheet actions that have occurred in July . What will be published in the...
the second quarter earnings will be the or in the second quarter to Q sorry 10-Q will be the interest rate risk results from April 30 as of April 30 and as I said we were at peak fed funds there so we we will be showing much more
And then just shifting gears to the office theory portfolio.
What do you have in terms of what you have that is going to be maturing or repricing?
through the end of this year, maybe even through next year. And whether or not you've gone through this year. We have about 10 loans maturing the rest of this year and a little bit more than that into next year. So not a tremendous number. That's just within the end.
because with the earnings for the quarter, what that does is it reduces the...
the rate for the full year. So there's some adjusting going on there. So that had a big impact. That was the biggest driver.
rate for the full year. So there's some adjusting going on there. So that had a big impact. That was the biggest driver. And the rate going forward would you?
Twenty-six and a half still? Yes, so that rate, because we adjust it to reflect future, what the future expectation is for the full year provision, I think that that's interesting. Let me just take one quick look.
I think that that's...I don't think it's going to be 26...it was 26.70 last quarter. I don't think it's going to be that high going forward.
Because it was down to 22 and a half this quarter due to all those shifts. So I think it'll balance out somewhere between those.
Okay, thank you. And speakers, there are no further questions at this time. Please continue with your presentation or closing remarks.
So we had one more question from the participants online. Can you talk about the duration on the swaps? Should we assume they are immediately accretive to the net interest margin? So I gave the detail on the swaps. Yes, they are immediately accretive to the net interest margin.
With that, I want to thank everybody for your questions, your interest and support, and I look forward to talking to you all next quarter. Thank you.