Q2 2023 JetBlue Airways Corp Earnings Call

Speaker 1: Good morning. My name is Lara. I would like to welcome everyone to the JetBlue Airways second quarter 2023 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Speaker 1: I would now like to turn the call over to JetBlue's Director of Investor Relations, Kush Patel. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 2: Thanks, Lara. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our second quarter 2023 earnings call. This morning, we issued our earnings release and a presentation that we will reference during this call. All of those documents are available on our website at investor.jetblue.com and on the SEC's website at www.SEC.

Speaker 2: Joanna Garrity, our President and Chief Operating Officer, and Ursula Hurley, our Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 2: Also joining us for Q&A are Dave Clark, our Head of Revenue and Planning, and Andres Berry, President of JetBlue Travel Products.

Speaker 2: This morning's call includes forward-looking statements about future events. During today's call, we will make forward-looking statements within the meeting of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. All such forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and...

Speaker 2: Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements. Please refer to our most recent earnings release and our most recent 10-K and other filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from those contained in our forward-looking statements, including amongst...

Speaker 2: Others, the COVID-19 pandemic, risks associated with execution of our strategic operating plans, our extremely competitive industry, fuel availability and pricing, our planned wind down of the Northeast Alliance, the outcome of the lawsuit filed related to our merger with Spirit Airlines, and various other risks and uncertainties related to JetBlue's acquisition of Spirit.

Speaker 2: The statements made during this call are made only as of the date of the call and other than as may be required by law, we undertake no obligation to update the information. Investors should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. Also during the course of our call we may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures.

Speaker 2: These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP. For an explanation and reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the corresponding GAAP measures, please refer to the tables at the end of our earnings release, a copy of which is available on our website and on sec.gov.

Speaker 2: Please note that our definition of these measures may differ from similarly tiled measures presented by other companies. And now I'd like to turn the call over to Robin Hayes, JetBlue's CEO . Thanks Kush and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 3: I'd like to start by offering a resounding and heartfelt thank you to our 25,000 crew members for their incredible dedication, patience and perseverance.

Speaker 3: I've been at JetBlue now nearly 15 years and this is the most exceptionally difficult summer that I can remember. And our crew members have worked tirelessly to serve our customers as air traffic control challenges and weather issues have affected tens of thousands of flights industry wide.

Speaker 3: Our crew members have gone above and beyond in helping our customers deal with this summer's problems, and we very much appreciate their efforts every day, but especially during this very challenging period.

Speaker 3: For the second quarter, we delivered revenue and cost performance within our guided ranges.

Speaker 3: I am particularly pleased that we delivered all-time record quarterly revenues, including record revenues in each month of the quarter, as well as our sixth consecutive quarter of meeting or exceeding our cost expectations. As a result, we reported adjusted pre-tax income of $236 million, adjusted pre-tax margin of 9.1%.

Speaker 3: an adjusted earnings per share of 45 cents, which was at the top end of our guidance range.

Speaker 3: These strong results demonstrate our momentum in this post-COVID era.

Speaker 3: Turning to slide 5, on our first quarter earnings call in April , we predicted the summer would be very challenging.

Speaker 3: To prepare, we made significant investments to build resiliency into operation, which helped us to manage costs related to unexpected schedule disruptions and enabled us to deliver our second quarter results.

Speaker 3: We also received a very disappointing NEA decision during the quarter and have been working to adjust to the loss of that agreement.

Speaker 3: And finally, as you've heard from others, the transitory shifts in post-COVID customer demand are also affecting our results.

Speaker 3: Therefore, as we look ahead…

Speaker 3: We've recalibrated our expectations for the remainder of the year.

Speaker 3: While the current environment is extremely dynamic, we are executing plans to offset these challenges as we'll discuss.

Speaker 3: Firstly, and as previously disclosed, we made the difficult decision not to appeal the unfavourable NEA Court ruling. We made the decision to appeal the unfavourable NEA Court ruling.

Speaker 3: This allows us to turn our full focus to our combination with spirit, which we believe is the best and most effective way to increase competition in the industry and bring the JetBlue effect to more customers across the country.

Speaker 3: However, our decision to terminate the NEA will result in a near-term drag on margins as we lose key codeshare revenue.

Speaker 3: but certainly NEA costs.

Speaker 3: will linger due to the necessary gradual wind down of our MEA driven capacity growth.

Speaker 3: We expect a 20 to 25 cents EPS headwind to our full year outlook and we expect to see the biggest impact in Q4.

Speaker 3: As we head into 2024, we will be able to mitigate the impact as we are increasingly able to redeploy capacity currently underperforming in NEA markets to high margin leisure opportunities throughout our network.

Speaker 3: We have already begun to reflect this initial capacity redeployment in our selling schedules and we are planning an orderly but gradual wind down of the NEA driven capacity growth through next summer to ensure that we continue to support our customers.

Speaker 3: As I mentioned, we are facing headwinds from weather and ATC in the Northeast, which have been much, much worse than we planned for when we reduced our New York departures by 10% for this summer. And we are seeing ATC programs stay in place longer than we have ever seen before for similar weather events.

Speaker 3: which is driving hundreds of delayed flights a day for JetBlue alone. To put it in perspective,

Speaker 3: When we look at the FAA's data on the worst industry cancellation events for thunderstorms at JFK,

Speaker 3: The worst four events since 2014 happened in late June and early July of this year.

Speaker 3: And while we don't know what the ATC impacts will be in August , we have assumed that they will be similar to July .

Speaker 3: These real-time...

Speaker 3: Disruptions generate cost pressures beyond our initial planned investments.

Speaker 3: and also impact revenue due to high cancellations which drive refunds and reduce sellable capacity.

Speaker 3: Taken together, we expect ATC constraints to Q3 to result in a 20-25 cents headwind to our full-year EPS outlook.

Speaker 3: Our Q2 results though do show the investments we made are making a difference, as our June completion factor in New York outperformed the average of other airlines with a more significant footprint in the market. But it is coming at an incredible cost that is not sustainable over the long term.

Speaker 3: as we are pulling all the levers under our control to help drive improvement.

Speaker 3: As we look to next summer, while the wind down of the NEA driven growth in New York will help reduce our Northeast exposure, we will also need to see substantial improvements in ATC performance and additional industry slot relief to ensure we can deliver the operational experience our customers deserve.

Speaker 3: Finally, we've seen a greater than expected geographic shift in pent-up COVID demand, as the strength in demand for long winter national travel this summer has pressured demand for shorter haul travel.

Speaker 3: We estimate this shift away from domestic travel is negatively impacting our full year EPS by 15 to 20 cents.

Speaker 3: However, we expect this trend to improve as we move out of the peak summer travel period and into Q4, particularly around the winter holidays when demand typically favors VFR travel, which is not as susceptible to these shifting trends.

Speaker 3: As we head into 2024, we will be more aggressive in redeploying capacity to expected pockets of future demand, areas where our VFR and leisure orientation give us an advantage in the marketplace.

Speaker 3: Given these revenue headwinds, we are updating our four-year earnings outlook to 5-40 cents of EPS.

Speaker 3: Let me be clear, we are not satisfied with this change.

Speaker 3: And as I've described, we are taking action on all of these issues.

Speaker 3: I also want to end slides with our first.

Speaker 3: that our full year unit cost outlook remains intact as our team has been successful in offsetting the incremental costs associated with these challenges.

Speaker 3: We consider the coming quarters a reset as we adjust for the loss of the NEA and for the overall shift we and others are seeing in post-COVID demand.

Speaker 3: Over the longer term, we continue to believe we have the right building blocks in place and we remain laser focused on rebuilding our earnings power and adding incremental value to our shareholders.

Speaker 3: Moving to slide 6, I want to spend a few moments reviewing these building blocks for the positioning JetBlue for long-term success.

Speaker 3: First and foremost is the transformational nature of our planned acquisition of Spirit.

Speaker 3: Combining with Spirit will not only turbocharge our organic growth plan, creating a truly national low fare challenger to bring more competition to the industry, but it will also add geographic diversity to our network, which will improve our network relevance and increase our operation within it.

Speaker 3: We look forward to bringing more of JetBlue's low fares and award-winning service to more customers and more markets.

Speaker 3: Next, our large footprint in the slot constrained New York market is a substantial long-term asset for JetBlue. And even as we wind down the NEA, New York will still remain our largest focused city with well over 200 departures per day.

Speaker 3: While New York was significantly impacted by COVID and therefore has taken longer to recover, it has historically produced long above system average margins.

Speaker 3: and is now improving faster than our network average.

Speaker 3: The closing of the gap will drive continued improvement of our red venue and margin performance.

Speaker 3: We are also driving long term structural improvements in our profitability from our redesigned TrueBlue program which continues to see double digit membership growth and of course JetBlue travel products.

Speaker 3: We have seen great success from our Structural Cost program, which is on track to deliver 150 to 200 million in savings by the year end 2024. We also continue to make strides in our ongoing fleet modernization program as we replace our B190 fleet with the margin accretive A220s. I would like to close by again thanking our crew members for delivering our second...

from our structural cost program which is on track to deliver 150 to 200 million in savings by the year end 2024. We also continue to make strides in our ongoing fleet modernization program as we replace our B190 fleet with the margin accretive A220s. I'd like to close by again thanking our crew members for delivering our second quarter results.

While we face near-term headwinds, we remain focused on controlling what we can control and work towards improving margins and driving profitable growth. I remain optimistic about our future as our unique combination of low fares and great service continues to distinguish us in the market.

term headwinds, we remain focused on controlling what we can control and work towards improving margins and driving profitable growth. I remain optimistic about our future as our unique combination of low fares and great service continues to distinguish us in the market. With that, over to you, Joanna.

Thank you Robin. I would also like to thank our crew members for their continued commitment to our customers as we navigate this difficult operating environment. Although the summer has proven challenging, your hard work is making a difference.

Through early June , we saw nice operational improvements year over year. Our completion factor and on-time performance were middle of the industry, and we were beginning to see improved productivity.

Of course, we know how to manage extreme weather conditions and are performing as well as others in the Northeast during these events, but the sheer number of these events and their duration is among the most challenging we have ever seen. Our teams are doing an excellent job navigating this environment and our investments are enabling us to recover more quickly. This in turn allows us to better protect completion factor coming out of these events. However, the fact remains, our network exposure to this challenged geography is the highest in the industry.

Turning to slide seven, sorry slide eight. For the second quarter of 2023, capacity grew 5.8% year over year around the midpoint of our guidance. This capped a strong first half in which we delivered a three point year over year improvement in our completion factor and a six point improvement in our on-time performance.

Our strong operational performance in the first half of the year helped offset the more than half a point of adverse impact from the severe ATC led restrictions beginning in mid-June. While our proactive operational investments and anticipation of a challenging environment this summer enabled us to mitigate 30 days in a row of a regular operations.

During the months of June into July , they have not been enough to overcome even greater challenges in July , which reduced our July completion factor by four points. We are assuming a similar level of operational disruption will continue in August and now expect third quarter capacity to be up five and a half to eight and a half percent year over year. We'd like to thank our colleagues with the FAA for the close partnership and transparency.

While we are not alone and expect these delays to ease in the coming years as the FAA works to rebuild staffing and experience to more appropriate levels, our Northeast-centric footprint makes us disproportionately exposed to these challenges. Turning to revenue. In the second quarter, we grew revenue by 6.7% year-over-year, above the midpoint of our guidance range and driven by strength in Latin Leisure, VFR, and Transatlantic demands. The demand environment remains healthy overall, characterized by double-digit growth in RASM compared to 2019. Our transatlantic service, in particular, has performed extremely well and driven the strongest year-over-year revenue.

of all geographies in our network. We look forward to continuing to diversify geographically by expanding our transatlantic network and later this month we will launch service to our third transatlantic blue city, Amsterdam.

We expect to continue on this path in the coming years as we take additional deliveries of our A321LR aircraft. We also continue to see healthy demand across much of our domestic networks. However, the demand recovery in our largest market of New York City, while showing sequential improvement, continues to lag that of other geographies, in line with the areas slower economic recovery compared to the rest of the country.

While the gap is improving, our New York margins are still lagging 2019 levels by high single digits.

This is a sharp contrast from the rest of our network, which exceeded 2019 margins during the second quarter. To be clear, we do have many attractive opportunities and will redeploy capacity into these higher performing geographies as we unwind our NEA growth in New York.

As we head into the third quarter, we continue to see many of the same trends, including strong demand during peak periods. However, during off-peak periods, we are now seeing demand trends normalize. This contrasts with the same period last year when we saw extremely strong pent-up COVID demand across our entire network during both peak and off-peak periods.

As a result, while load factors remain very strong, we've seen fares normalizing back towards 2019 levels.

In the third quarter, we expect revenues to be down 4% to 8% year over year. In addition to the revenue pressures from the NEA UNDWINE process, ATC challenges and demand shift to long-haul international travel, we are also cycling against a very difficult revenue comparison, as last year in Q3, we delivered revenue 23% above 2019 levels.

more than double the industry average. For the full year, we are now forecasting revenue to be up 6% to 9% year over year. Finally, our loyalty program is an area of continued strength as loyalty revenue hit a record level of 21% year over year in the second quarter and continues to become a bigger piece of our revenue story.

In the second quarter, we relaunched our redesigned True Blue program, which offers even more ways for our customers to engage with us and earn points. And we saw double-digit year-over-year increases in active members, enrollments, and co-brand acquisitions.

CoburnSpend had its best quarter ever and we expect to reach record contributions from our Barclays Coburn portfolio this year as member engagement continues to grow and as we continue to expand our loyalty ecosystem.

We are excited by the growth these enhancements are delivering as part of our multi-year journey in evolving our True Blue program and closing the gap to our peers.

I'd like to close by once again thanking our crew members for everything we have done to serve our customers in very stressful situations. While we are facing near-term headwinds amid a challenging operational backdrop, we are focused on taking action and pulling all levers at our disposal to minimize the impact to our customers and to our crew members. Together we will build a better and stronger JetBlue for all stakeholders.

With that, over to you Ursula. Thank you, Joanna. I'd like to add my thanks to our crew members for all their hard work and dedication. Our second quarter results are a testament to the impact their efforts are having on the operation and on the cost side.

Turning to slide 10. As Robin mentioned, I am pleased that this quarter marked the sixth consecutive quarter where we met or exceeded our quarterly cost guidance. In outcome, I am particularly proud of given the increased cost pressures we faced as we navigated an exceptionally challenging operational environment in June . I am pleased that this quarter marked the sixth consecutive quarter where we met or exceeded our quarterly cost guidance.

we need across our operation to boost resiliency, as well as an incremental one point of chasm x pressure as the ATC challenges we faced in June were more severe than expected, which resulted in lengthier delays.

increased cancellations, and a lower completion factor. Despite these headwinds, our team's laser focus and execution enabled us to deliver second quarter CASMX in line with our expectations as our investments to enhance operational planning.

and build resiliency into our schedule successfully enabled us to exert greater control over variable costs such as labor premiums and disruption related costs.

We also continue to successfully implement our structural cost program, supporting efforts to mitigate cost pressures related to maintenance and rents and landing fees.

We remain on track to drive approximately $70 million in cost reduction this year and $150 to $200 million in cumulative cost savings through 2024.

We expect structural cost program savings in the second half of 2023 and throughout 2024 to be driven by three main areas. Enterprise planning initiatives, technology-based solutions aimed at enhancing frontline productivity, impact and quality of life.

maintenance optimization of our midlife aircraft. Additionally, we continue to expect our fleet modernization program to generate 75 million dollars of cost savings through 2024 as we replace our E190 fleet with margin accretive A220.

We have already achieved over half of the expected savings from this program, with 12 E190s retired to date, including seven currently parked and five that we have sold.

Looking to the third quarter, we are forecasting Chasm X fuel to increase 2.5 to 5.5 percent year over year.

As Robin noted, unwinding the NEA will result in a near-term drag on margins as the cost benefits will lag the immediate loss of codeshare revenues.

As we gradually redeploy our NEA-related capacity and optimize our schedules for this new normal, we expect to see a corresponding improvement in costs.

For the full year, we remain on track to execute on our CASMx fuel target of up 1.5 to 4.5% despite an additional 1.5 points of CASMx headwinds for the full year from the ATC challenges versus our original expectation.

We are seeing exceptional cost headwinds, but we are working hard to find offsets and to ensure we are delivering on the cost guidance we set out at the start of the year.

As a reminder, our full year cost outlook implies a step up in year over year CASMx in the second half of the year, primarily driven by two factors. An additional step up tied to our pilot agreement, which is about three points total year over year in the third quarter.

and four points in the fourth quarter. And the timing of maintenance, which is about two points of year over year in the fourth quarter.

As Robin mentioned, we now expect to generate earnings per share between 5 and 40 cents.

This is not an outcome we are satisfied with. And I want to reiterate that we are taking action to offset these temporary headwinds as we work towards restoring our long-term earnings power and delivering profitable growth for our shareholders.

Turning to slide 11, we closed the second quarter with $2.4 billion in liquidity, including our $600 million revolving credit facility, which remains undrawn.

We continue to take a conservative approach to managing liquidity as we step up our fleet modernization efforts.

We have been financing recent aircraft deliveries and have committed financing in place for approximately $550 million year-to-date, of which approximately $300 million was raised in the first half of the year.

We took delivery of four new aircraft in the second quarter and one in July , bringing our year-to-date total to seven new aircraft.

We expect to take delivery of 12 additional aircraft through the end of the year for a total of 19 new deliveries this year.

Finally, we continue to look at hedging opportunities to manage risk. In the second quarter, we took advantage of renewed price weakness to layer on some additional protection for the fourth quarter of 2023, and as of today, we have hedged approximately 30% of our expected fuel consumption for the second half of the year.

Our updated earnings outlook reflects the near-term headwinds we are facing. The NEA termination, ATC constraints, and a temporary shift to long-haul international travel this summer. However, we are not standing still. We are focused on controlling what we can control and executing our plans to address these challenges. On the revenue side, we are leveraging the strength of our network to shift capacity from New York in the near-term where we can. On the cost side, we remain acutely focused on pulling every lever at our disposal. Efficient utilization and planning, technology upgrades, and more.

fleet modernization, and our structural cost program. And we are also working closely with the FAA to identify solutions to help ease disruptions next summer. Despite the headwinds, I'm optimistic about the trajectory of the business.

Our team's ability to continue to execute under these very challenging circumstances, coupled with the spirit combination, puts us solidly on a path towards creating significant long-term value for our owners and all our stakeholders. Thank you very much.

With that, we will now take your questions.

Please press star followed by the number two. Maybe also please request our analyst to limit themselves to one question and one follow up. Your first question comes from the line of Mike Linenberg from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Yeah, good morning, everyone. Two here. Can you just, how many of your A321 News with the GTS are potentially subject to the issues that that fleet is now facing? And is there any risk that this is an A220 issue as well? Just your thoughts? I really, it's very...

on the ground for the last few months due to various engine issues. We have been notified by Pratt & Whitney over the last few weeks that we have a handful of engines that will be impacted and have to come off wing by mid-September. So we expect...

the number of aircraft that we have on the ground through the end of the year to approximately double from what we have today. As a note, we did not include any of that impact in our guidance today, given that we're still assessing the longer term impact with Pratt & Whitney. In regards to the A220, we're still working through potential.

Great, and then just my follow-up is, you know, as you wind down the NEA, you know, obviously the schedules will change, but when I do look in the forward schedule going all the way out next year, it does seem like you are planning to operate or at least in the schedule that a good amount of LaGuardia, additional LaGuardia flights. Is that the plan or are we going to just see everything wind down and you'll be back to, I don't know, it was about a dozen departures a day from LaGuardia? Just any insight you can give on that if possible. Thanks for taking my questions. Sure, thanks Mike for the question. This is Dave.

With regards to the NEA wind down, we've already made some initial adjustments in Boston where we don't have to work through slot issues in constraints there, so we've been able to move a bit more quickly. On New York, we have a plan coming together, but have not yet changed it in our selling schedule.

Just as a reminder, at LaGuardia, we flew before the NEA 16 round trips a day for LaGuardia. That went up to 52 during the NEA, so an incremental 36. As we go into this winter season, you'll see us step down by about a handful of flights.

in LaGuardia and then next summer, so beginning in the mid spring for the summer season, you'll see us flying less than half of those 36 growth round trips of LaGuardia. So it'll be an orderly wind down that takes the first step down late October this year and second step down in late March of 2024.

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in place for better earnings power. You referenced some of the moats that JetBlue has, but one, are they enough to get the airline back to 2019 margins, I guess, first? And then secondly, how quickly can you turn things around? Is it reasonable to assume you can get close in 2024, for example, a all-SQL?

Yeah, I'll take that. Thanks, Dan. It's Robin, and good morning to you. I think when I think about our progress against 2019, on the revenue side, I think that quarter two was very important because we were, other than New York,

we were above system margins, 2019 system margins, and all of our other focus cities. And so the ramp up in New York is extremely important to our recovery to 2019 margins. And whilst this summer has been a significant setback.

for reasons that we've described. You know, we were continuing to see recovery in New York, and I believe as we go into next year, we're gonna continue to see that recovery. So, you know, I think overall, the New York recovery has to deliver, as Dave and Joanna mentioned, or one of them mentioned, Joanna mentioned earlier, I'm sorry.

becomes a tailwind at some point. Then, you know, on the other revenue side, you know, I think continuing rolling out of the revenue initiatives, very pleased with True Blue, very pleased with JetBlue travel products. One of the areas that's been constrained with our fleet delays is Mint. I'm pleased to say that the airplanes that we're now taking

from Airbus, the 321s are min-configured airplanes, so we can catch up. That continues to be part of our business that's not performing. I think continuing to develop more geographic diversity, I think is important. So you're gonna continue to see ramp up to European markets next year.

You know, I mean, other airlines have talked about how strong Europe is. We're seeing that too. We just don't have very much of it. And then on the cost side, you know, I'm really pleased with the progress on the structural cost program. This is a different jet blue two years ago. And the fact that we can

take the punches that we're taking both in Q2 and Q3 around very, very significant operational costs and headwinds. I mean, when you are flying one day schedule with hundreds of flights that are running significantly late due to ATC programs and you have, you know, a lot of that flying.

has to be re-crewed. We're absorbing all of that and so I'm very confident that continuing execution on the structural cost program is underway. And of course the last thing I mentioned is the fleet transition.

This has been a much longer fleet transition than we would like, but 2024 is game time. We take the most 220s next year. We retire most 190s next year. And by the time we get to end to 2024, we'll really be left, I think, with maybe a dozen 190s that will then sort of start to retire by 2021.

summer 2025. So we're really now getting into that part of the fleet transition that other airlines have demonstrated is a significant tower wind to unit cost improvement. So overall, I think we've got the right building blocks in place. We do have some challenges to work in the midterm. We do have actions to take to mitigate.

some of the challenges in the near term and that's what we're doing. Yeah, very good. And then I guess for the second question here, the full year revenue guide implies a pretty strong reversal of revenue trends in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter. And you guys did touch on that in the script a little bit, but I'm wondering if you can just elaborate a little bit more. What is it?

Dave, it really ties to the timing of these three big headwinds we've called out. Two of them improve markedly as we head out of the third quarter into the fourth. So first with ATC, we expect that entire impact to be limited to the third quarter and we're expecting no ATC impact in the fourth quarter. So that's

full three plus points of revenue in the third quarter that dissipates before the fourth. And then secondly the geographic shift is much more pronounced in the summer especially as Europe's in their peak season. As we head into the winter travel we expect a point or more of improvement.

as we go from the third quarter to the fourth quarter of that geographic demand shift. The one piece that does get worse is the NEA headwind will grow from about one point, a bit more than one point, but roughly one point in the third quarter to two points in the fourth quarter. And that's just getting the full impact of the ramp up.

Sense Code share sales turned off in late July . We did get a partial quarter in Q3. And then that will begin to improve with the capacity to redeploy as we go through the winter and into 2024.

Thanks for the time you guys.

Thanks, Dan. Thank you. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Sadie Seif from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Just on it looks like you're only expecting about 30 of the kind of fixed state contractual kind of aircraft next year and GTF issues, you know, things that can be continuing. I was just kind of curious what your early thoughts on 2024 capacity are and.

you know, if you'd still lean a little bit more international or how you're thinking about it.

Thanks, Slavi, for the question. It's still really early, given the fluidity of Airbus and the Pratt & Whitney conversations and evolutions. So contractually, we technically had over 40 deliveries expected in 2024. Our current planning assumptions are using 30 deliveries.

And that does not include any impact to the recent GTF issue. So we are still working with Airbus and Pratt & Whitney identifying 2024 impact. As Robin highlighted in one of his answers, a good portion of those deliveries are 220.

So more to come on 2024 capacity. There's just a lot of puts and takes right now. Obviously we strive to the mid to high single digit and we'll continue to work with our partners to refine what we think that growth rate will be.

Thanks Ursula. And just keep my mind on the New York region commentary. Is that more of a kind of, is that more short-haul business markets that are lagging or I'm just kind of curious if there was any kind of smoking gun or whatever that's driving the Unfortunately, they are cruising the map. You might think about an orange

the slower recovery in New York margins versus the rest of the system. I'm curious how much your business demand has recovered and if that's driving it.

Yeah, hi, Savi. This is Dave. Great question and you're spot on. We're seeing the largest impact in terms of revenue recovery in two areas. One is the business markets which are recovering much more slowly than leisure and second is short haul. So a short haul business market is sort of the most impacted type of market.

And obviously we fly some of those and then the industry fly some of those and has been redeploying some capacity out of those and into other leisure markets that adds competitive capacity to the us. So that's sort of the general type of market that's most at risk and whether something we fly or competitor.

is redeploying past the adamant into our markets. We feel the impact both ways. That's helpful. Thank you.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Jamie Baker from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning everybody. You know, so when you think about more aggressively redeploying capacity to expected pockets of future demand, your words.

I mean, that's pretty much what Southwest is also planning to try. And I suspect we may hear something similar from Frontier in Spirit. I realize your networks aren't carbon copies of one another. But if everyone is trying to optimize their network and shifting capacity to peak days, I mean, does that...

factor into your expected returns? I'm not saying you shouldn't try to optimize. I'm just thinking if everybody tries the same thing, well then that really doesn't drive much optimization, you know?

No, it's a great question, Jamie. This is Dave. A couple things. One, we think about not only what's underperforming and what is performing better today, but then we think a lot about what our natural sort of model advantages are, our business model advantages are versus these other carriers. So for example...

We know JetBlue does well, especially on longer haul flying, because the onboard product is excellent and certainly far superior to the ULC-C. So as we redeploy, we not only think about current capacity, but competitive capacity and how structurally advanced we are over the long term.

Okay. And I think, to give you an example, we touched on Mint a little bit. Mint continues to perform very well. And it's both the front of the airplane and the back of the airplane. And it's doing things like Sleep

What we haven't been able to really do in the last year or two is add any min capacity because those airplanes have really not been coming at us in any volume and the ones we've had have been flying to Europe and so, you know, think, you know, we expect next summer to be a very strong seasonal another strong European summer, you know, we think

Transcom will continue to perform sort of with both the mint franchise and the products at the back of the airplane. And again, I think that New York, you know, New York's line is going to have to look different, but New York is coming back and will continue to come back. And, you know, those are markets, of course, that, you know, because they're

slot constrained are going to be tough to get into. But also we don't know what the FAA is going to have to do next year on New York slots either. I mean as you know there was that 10 slot waiver this year. If you want Robin's personal opinion that was not enough from what we've seen. And so you know how should we think about New York capacity going forward in terms of total.

industry capacity as well. So I feel really good that given the number of airplanes that we have, we have a lot of good options, but I take your point, you know, everyone's going to be looking for that product gold, but we're going to focus my plan on improving our network returns.

That's helpful, thank you. Obviously, part of JetBlue's challenge is market concentration, the exposure in New York. You talked about this in your prepared remarks, Robin. And the merger will obviously help with that, but just for argument's sake,

If the merger doesn't close for some reason, have you started to develop a plan B, which I assume would include trying to find an additional hub or focus city, you know, somewhere else, presumably not in the northeast? Yeah, Jamie, look, how to answer that is we're very focused on getting the spirit deal done. It is our number one priority.

So having said that, the network team is always looking at opportunities that might be out there and they've done that in the past, they'll continue to do that.

Okay, thank you very much, gentlemen.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Dodora from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning, everyone. So, just that, I guess, historically targeted, so that mid to high single-digit type of capacity growth, when we think about the continued unwind of the NEA, I think it's just that it goes through.

Based on your answer to that question, what are the puts and takes on Kazim-X next year, particularly as the additional pilots flow through? Any color there would be helpful. There is also such a requirement for components, as well as theACT Finances in the background. rhythmic and what I move

Sure, thanks Andrew. This is Dave. I'll start it off and then kick it over to Ursula. In terms of the NEA wind down, given the strength we're seeing in our non-New York geography, as mentioned in Q2, our non-New York flying significantly outperformed 2019 in terms of profit margin.

We feel good about our redeploy options and sort of the larger ability to profitably deploy the fleet. So from that perspective, no impact on 2024 capacity. Obviously, as Ursula mentioned, delivery schedule, engines, ATC, those things may have an impact, but from a pure customer demand perspective, we feel good. Then over to you, Ursula.

On the CASMx side, so as we ramp down the NEA, you will start to see some CASM relief in 2024, depending on how quickly and at what rate we ramp down. We're going to, as Dave mentioned, redeploy that capacity and obviously the average rent and landing fee.

across the country is typically lower outside of New York. So you will see some benefit there. In regards to the pilots, so we actually have a step up in pilot rates here in the third quarter and the fourth quarter of 2023. So in the third quarter, it's a three point.

impact to Casimax and a four point in the fourth quarter. Those obviously will impact one H of 2024 and then we'll lap it in the back half of next year.

Great, thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Catherine O'Brien from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for the time. Maybe just a bit of a follow-up to Jamie's question. On the leisure routes you're reallocating to, are these routes JetBlue has historically served and had to pull down to feed the NEA? If historical JetBlue, how has the competitive landscape changed since you last served them? Or maybe it hasn't.

And then, you know, or are there some new markets? I'm just trying to get a sense of how we can expect these routes to ramp, you know, versus system performance. Thanks. Yeah, thanks. This is Joanna. So it's a combination of routes we previously served, but also new routes, exploring some of the seasonal markets, really refining our day of week flying as well to target specific demand pockets that may be there for.

I want to say just what I mean is that historically, you know, leisure markets have ramped up more quickly and we know that there is a, in many months a year, there is a demand that can't be satisfied. So that is how I think my insuranceAliasc isolation system got groaved down and I am providing scissors, modifiers, Signed out system and now I have started using those

I think the question is going to be in terms of some of the off-peak capacity, and in a world where corporate travel is 20% down, how do airlines meet that off-peak need? I think it's far broader the network. I think it's resorting strategy.

I think it's maintenance planning. I think there's a whole number of things that, you know, in a world where business trouble may not be coming back, you know, we're going to have to work through and think through and just rest assured, you know, we have a lot of actions and focus on that area. So it's far broader than just network in terms of how we manage these off-peak periods.

It's super interesting. And maybe just the last FAA outlook on air traffic controller headcount I saw didn't show a big improvement anytime soon. Just given your geography in a more constrained operational environment and the investments you've had to make to deal with that, should we expect the headwind you're pointing to in the slides? Let me know in the comments below.

I think the entirety of your 2.5 to 5.5% year-over-year growth for the full year, driven by that. Is that just part of the base now, like into next year and going forward? Or we've got to wait until there's more air traffic controllers? Or do you see a path to any relief into next year? Thanks. Yeah, let me – I just want to make sure I'm answering the right question. If you're talking about capacity or chasm in terms of what's baked.

as we go into the summer. You should think of air traffic control sort of through the lens of high volume and convective weather. So summertime is when we see the most the most challenging time. That abates in the fall and it abates in the winter. So you know in terms of the longer term trajectory you know it will improve it just won't improve.

in the next couple of years. There are a few things that we're focused on with the FAA. They've been a very collaborative and transparent partner this summer in terms of collaborating with us and letting us know when there are staffing challenges going into events.

But what that has translated to is longer events and more restrictive events. And that has impacted obviously, as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, July completion factor by four points. As you think about the other things that we can do to help mitigate some of the near-term challenges given our exposure.

Additional slot relief next summer is going to be something that we're working on with the FAA. Obviously the sooner the better on that slot relief because it will enable us to pull costs out. The way the slot relief came in this year was too close in and we'd already hired pilots and in-flight and we just kind of reabsorb those in as additional operational protections.

But if we can address the slot relief earlier, that will enable us to pull capacity more efficiently. And then we're gonna have a smaller footprint in LaGuardia next summer as we think about stepping down the NEA. And so that should provide some relief as well. And then hopefully with Spirit, that will help us diversify the network longer term out of the NE and New York more quickly.

All that color is super helpful.

All that color is super helpful. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Shaleen Becker from TD Calum. Please go ahead.

Thanks very much operator. It's Helene. Just a question on the weather related issues. You know, they've been getting worse every summer for the past decade. And I heard your answer to Catherine's question about ATC and I appreciate that.

As you think about whether in three of your biggest markets, Boston, New York and Fort Lauderdale, how should you think about adjusting capacity for summer months to not get into a situation where you're continually having...

30 days in a row of irregular operations. And then the other question I have unrelated a little bit is I'm just kind of trying to figure out when you figured out that Europe was going to be the strong place this summer because as part of the Northeast Alliance you should have seen

where your passengers, the passengers you were putting on American flights were going. So kind of trying to rationalize this to, you know, you're being so strong, yes, but shouldn't you have seen it?

Hey Helene, I'll grab those two and then Robin might have some additional commentary on the weather as he's been spending quite a bit of time studying it on the weekends. So in terms of capacity reductions in the Northeast to address potentially more challenging weather environments, you know as a reminder New York is slotted and so reducing capacity without FAA relief is going to be a challenge for us.

And as we've mentioned, New York was an incredible margin producer for JetBlue pre-COVID. And so, New York continues to be a very strategically important part of our network. And even in the face of weather, we need to operate within that environment.

And so that plays into events on the weekends when weather typically hits. And the FAA has done a number of things over the last few weeks to try to address that experience gap issue. So that we hopefully can avoid some of these more restrictive programs when you have weather that, you know, may be slightly worse than years prior, but not the magnitude that, you know, we're seeing this summer in terms of the restrictive ATC programs. And with regard to Europe , as you think about last summer and our revenue performance last summer, demand was incredibly strong in our domestic and our Caribbean franchise. Our belief was that some of that would come out and we address that in how we planned the year.

for those customers who were limited in being able to fly last year because fares were higher and capacity was more limited. You know, obviously that hasn't played out quite as we expected, but you know hindsight's 20-20 and while they're all in Europe and Asia this summer, we expect that to cycle through as well just as.

that extra COVID pent up demand we saw last summer cycles to a different geography this summer. Robin, I don't know if you want to answer the... Yeah, Helene, the other point I would just add on the demand, what we've seen is, and I'm going to give you some examples, I mean, markets like New York, Nantucket, Masters, Vineyard, markets like that have always been extremely...

strong performance for us in the summer. You know, people look at the HEC environment, they look at the weather, and they drive and get on the ferry. And so I think these things are, you know, also to a certain degree commingle, so you know people may take less trips or they want to do one trip and it's a longer trip.

I think Joanna's point, I mean the demand, I mean there's a lot of people traveling. You know our load factor today is well into the 90s, so it's not that people aren't traveling, it's just on the domestic system as you know the fares this summer have come in you know lower than I think everyone in the industry had expected. I mean on the weather that you asked, I mean we have a

So the optic analysis, the participation, the surface analysis, the pressure, and there is no doubt that the conditions this year have set us up, at least for July , for a more challenging environment. Having said that, it still compares in terms of severe weather, 2016 was worse. So it's been worse than recent years. However, as Joanna said, it's not just the weather. We are seeing, when weather comes in, we're seeing programs earlier, we're seeing them lasting for longer. You look at LaGuardia last Friday night, for anyone who was flying, I think there were 50 industry airplanes out there, and it gets very challenging to recover from those events, and then it bleeds into the...

the next day. So you know I think we made a good call on the amount of disruption that we would see this summer. What we underestimated is the the ATC impact to these weather delays and again Joanna stressed an important point the FAA you know they accept the challenge they've got, they've been extremely collaborative, no one is interested in finger pointing.

People just want a system that works. That's what we want to. And I'm confident that as we get to 2024, however we do it, whether it's more controllers, whether it's different work resources, whether it's slot waivers again, that we have to get as an industry and FAA to a better operating solution.

for the flying public and at JetBlue we will be vocal in making sure that that happens. That's really helpful, thank you. Well hopefully we get a budget and I think it was actually 61 planes at the...

last Friday night at LaGuardia. But thank you. Thanks for that.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Duane Fenwickworth from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning.

Just taking a step back, can you remind us how much of your revenue and your capacity touched the NEA at peak? And is there any potential fleet implication here? In other words, could some of this capacity get parked?

or will it all be transitioned to markets away from New York and Boston? Hi, good morning, Dwayne. This is Dave. I'll take that. As noted, we are very exposed to the Northeast and concentrated there. Our New York and Boston is 75 to 80 percent of our capacity, just to sort of put it in terms of order of magnitude.

that and we'll be continuing to execute that over the coming period. But with the non-New York part of our network driving above 2019 margins in the second quarter, we feel confident that we've got a number of good options to redeploy this capacity into. So don't expect it to impact.

the overall level of capacity, but certainly the geographic deployment of where it flies. I guess not the 75 to 80 that needs to be redeployed, but what percentage you know touch the NEA specifically if you had there. And then just for my follow-up

Can you remind us what JetBlue committed to with respect to labor to be able to implement the NEA? Was there a rate bump specifically tied to that?

Yeah, so there was, I would say that was before the last extension that we did. So to a certain extent, that's sort of in the past, Dwayne, because that's kind of just where we started from in terms of where we got to. And that was for the pilot group. And the other thing I just wanted to add to what Dave said is that

You know a lot of the LaGuardia flying that we talked about getting redeployed is very you know is short stage flying So you know what you're going to probably see is that get deployed to longer stage markets 190s are disappearing a 220s or Arriving so you know you're going to see a stage engage bump on that so it might be like

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Tran from Citi. Please go ahead. Good morning everybody and thanks for taking my question. Most of them have been answered but I was curious if you wouldn't mind providing any color on what sort of competitive dynamics you're seeing southbound into the Caribbean and in Wacom for example. We hear for instance a carrier called our jet that recently started and I'm wondering.

We do leisure very well. It's sort of our bread and butter and one that we will continue to grow and redouble our efforts with that segment. Super, appreciate that. And actually just one quick follow up to Dwayne Fendingworth's question. When you think about the shift from E190s to A220s, I believe, you know, definitely going with a.

smaller destinations or have those routes that were adequate for E190s 20 years ago, they now kind of spooled up to accommodate larger gates flying.

that were adequate for E190s 20 years ago, have they now kind of spooled up to accommodate a larger gauge flame. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks Stephen. It's a great question. All the cities we serve today with the E190 can be served with the 220 from a sort of operational perspective and from a demand perspective we believe the same. So I would not expect any market exits as we go through the transition.

And I just just add I think in one in one sense here the the You know reduction in some of those short-haul business line Which I think everyone recognizes and certainly we will do from the trips that we used to do and don't do now but the ones most under pressure to a certain extent that has coincided with the Replacement the 190s with the 220s and the 220s of course

are capable to do a lot more mission in terms of length than the 220, the 190. So, you know, I think to a certain extent that as we, whether this was the NEA or not, we may be looking to redeploy from business markets into other markets, the 220 actually gives us much more flexibility.

to do that. Okay, very helpful. Appreciate the color.

given the Airbus delivery delays as well as Pratt and Whitney. So, you know, if we were targeting mid to high single digit capacity, the goal would be to deliver flatish chasm ex-fuel over the next few years. Specific to your question on Q4, this is just a timing of maintenance spend and specific to the year over year comp. We have highlighted that maintenance will continue to be headwind over the next few years, just given the V2500 fleet, but that's also why we have the structural cost program in place, which I'm very pleased on the progress that we're making on that program in order to continue to mitigate maintenance pressures over the next few years. Okay.ton

And then Robin, the NEA ruling and then your decision to withdraw, how does that in your mind bolster or not your confidence around getting the spirit deal done? Well, you know,

The first voice that focus on this video, but also if you read the complaint, you know there's they talk about the DOJ talks about the NEA and certainly it came a lot it came up a lot during the course of the last year And so we've completely taken that off the table You know when we went into this at the beginning we felt the NEA was pro-competitive

We still do, we lost the case and as such we're moving on. So this is now, and I think if you look at the strength of the legacy airlines at the moment and just the benefit of the scale and the geographic diversity, I think this plays extremely well into our argument about creating a pro-consumer, national, low fare, high quality.

airline as the best catalyst to competition that we have. And so we're going to focus on now making that case.

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