Q3 2023 Johnson Controls International PLC Earnings Call
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Good morning, and thank you for joining our conference call to discuss Johnson controls third quarter of fiscal 2000 twenty-three results. The press release and all related tables issued earlier this morning as well as the confidence called slide presentation can be found on the Investor relations portion of our website at Johnson controls Dot com.
Joining me on the call today, or Johnson controls, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, George Oliver and Chief Financial Officer Olivier Lionetti.
We began let me remind you that during our presentation today, we will make forward looking statements listeners or caution that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond the control of Johnson controls. These risks and uncertainties can cause the actual results to differ materially from our current expectations, we advise listeners to carefully review the.
Risk factors and cautionary statements in our most recent Form 10-Q Form 10-K, and today's release, we will also reference certain non-GAAP measures reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are contained in the schedules attached to our press release and in the appendix to this presentation both of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of Jocelyn.
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Now turn the call over to George Thanks.
Thanks, Chairman good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today.
Let's begin with applied three.
Johnson controls delivered another strong quarter, but the high end of our guidance, we delivered 9% organic sales growth adjusted segment EBITDA margin expansion of 130 basis points and 21% adjusted EPS growth.
Or a longer cycle building solutions business continue to show strength globally and service momentum accelerated driven by our enhanced solutions and increased adoption of our digital offerings.
What is it grew 8% overall with service orders, leading the way with 12% growth.
Our backlog ended the quarter up 8% to $12 billion across both install in service.
We remain confident in the resiliency of our backlog in order momentum as our performance during the quarter. It solidifies our investments and building a world class service organization.
We continue to see a strong pipeline of opportunities and the outlook for orders and or a longer cycle businesses remains robust.
You know a shorter cycled global products business are applied in rooftop businesses delivered another quarter of very strong double digit growth in demand remains strong.
We also continue to see strengthen our commercial ducted and fire detection businesses.
Consistent with trends in the industry are Dr. North American residential business remained soft.
Overall, we are encouraged by the continued strength and good visibility across to our building solution segments.
As we look ahead for the remainder of the year with one quarter to go we are narrowing or a full year adjusted EPS guide to approximately $3.55, which represents the mid point of the previous range.
Johnson controls, we continue to expand on the solid foundation that we have built with strong order momentum and a record backlog driving consistent top line grow.
We've made good progress enhancing profitability across to our portfolio throughout the fiscal year, we have significant actions underway that we believe will result in further margin expansion.
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We have spent the past few years investing more strategically in our service business and we are seeing strong returns from those investments.
During the third quarter of service orders and sales both grew 12%.
Or a service business has transformed from a traditional break and thinks business, helping customers proactively and more efficiently optimize management of all assets in the building.
Digital is becoming an important enabler to driving more service opportunities and growth.
We also accelerated sales of our higher margin parts business, which once again God, a strong double digit pace in the corner.
The carbonization is an area of focus across the entire Johnson controls portfolio.
This includes our sustainable infrastructure or assign business as well as many products and solutions in our portfolio such as heat pumps energy efficient refrigerants and digital solutions.
In fact, nearly 55% of revenue comes from sustainable products and solutions.
We continue to see strong demand in our ISI business with orders growing 20 per cent in the quarter.
He pumped sales were up mid single digits globally with very strong double digit growth in our applied and industrial refrigeration businesses.
During the quarter, we acquired Eminem Carno, a leading provider of natural refrigerant solutions with ultra low global warming potential or G. W. P.
Eminem designs equipment and controls that use carbon dioxide, which has a T. W. P of one by.
By contrast, traditional refrigerants can have GW peace and thousands magnifying rather than solving global warming.
We have spent the past few years defining or a multi phase digital strategy to transform environments tomorrow effectively use data to drive outcomes for our customers and we continued to gain momentum.
In the quarter, we grew our connected revenue at a high single digit rate and we surpassed 16000 connected chilies.
We are now expanding open blue into connecting controls insecurity to better optimized customer assets and improve outcomes and buildings further differentiating are offering.
Historically buildings required standalone system to manage each asset within the building.
Today connected buildings are creating a single digital dashboard optimize for energy, but still require multiple system to manage the assets.
We are making great progress in creating the digital thread throughout the building lifecycle and connecting controls is the next step in the evolution of this journey.
Moving on to slide five we recently announced the acquisition of FM systems, which is an important next step and adding critical capabilities to open blue.
F. M systems is a leader in the growing integrated workplace management system or I W. M S sector.
W. M S furthers, our open blue capabilities, allowing Johnson controls to offer a one stop solution that helps customers accelerates their digital transformation journey improve building efficiency and reduce operational costs.
F. M systems advances are open blues capabilities and brings a significant amount of data, including service space utilization and real estate portfolio manager.
The addition of Fm's capabilities into open Blue enhances Johnson controls relationship with customers by providing a full suite of integrated outcome based solutions.
Turning to slide six.
Extreme temperatures are increasingly straining buildings, putting at risk the ability to deliver comfortable and healthy indoor environments.
Are open Blue digital solutions help optimize indoor air quality comfort and the energy consumption, while monitoring outdoor air condition.
Ensuring our customers can meet their operating objectives, even in the most extreme conditions.
When paired with our open Blue digital services, we are uniquely positioned to help our customers deliver a healthy indoor environments, all optimizing cost reducing emissions and ensuring HVAC equipment is operating at peak performance ready for any condition.
We spoke earlier to the progress we are making expanding margins and we are not done supply chains are improving which abnormalize lead times, allowing us to create better operating leverage and our manufacturing facilities.
We continue to make progress in improving our S. G&A structure and have additional actions underway to further optimize our performance.
On capital allocation, we have established a track record of being prudent and discipline.
In fiscal 2023, we have returned $1.3 billion to shareholders be share repurchases and dividends. In addition to investing in several strategic acquisitions.
Climate change is the defining theme of this century with nearly 40% of emissions coming from buildings, we have the technology and the people to turn building from one of the greatest challenges into one of the biggest and best solutions.
I will now turn the call over to alleviate to go through the financial details of the quarter.
Olivier.
Thanks charge and good morning, everyone. Let me stopped with December Marie onsite seven dust.
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Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow on slide 13, we ended the quarter with $1.1 billion in available cash and net debt declined 2.1 times, which remains within our longer term target of 222 and a half times.
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The first question will come from my Joe call with Wolf Research.
Go ahead.
Oh, Thanks, good morning, everyone. Thanks for the questions.
Maybe we could just unpack a little bit more you know the fourth quarter sales growth, especially with a global product. So it sounds like you'll still see in highschool digit growth and the fish that businesses sons. It looks like parks down mythical digit. So so is that correct and maybe just talk about some of the headwinds I mean I think by.
<unk>, we understand but maybe just talk about the phone security products that I had been maybe you know unpacked between geography, fend and then market.
Yeah. Good morning, Nigel let me start by saying, our overall commercial business both products and services remains incredibly strong and what I would say is across the board hitting on all cylinders. We do continue to see strong bookings and and are applied in a rooftop commercial rooftop businesses across the board.
When you look at our building solutions you know we've made great progress during the course of the year improving the margins in the service momentum now is is expected to continue in.
When I look at the the our building solutions business, we've got a very strong backlog more important is within that backlog. The the mix of services that are coming through with the momentum that we've been building and adding up in the system is is gonna be a big big add to that now referencing the orders and.
Q for when you're in revenue to fall when you look at our residential apartment security businesses, we have been experiencing some short term pressure and are shorter shorter cycled work to build business <unk>.
In those two areas the inventories in the channel or resetting as we've been able to improve lead times and and so therefore, there are some short term adjustments in the book to Bill <unk>.
Revenues, but but what I would say is with those adjustments were continuing to execute with the deployment of our new products and it would be a good traction there and as we project going forward, we still see that coming back and being very strong as we set up for 2024. So on the on the <unk> I think it said.
Line with what you're seeing across the industry and on foreign securities mainly in our products business, which ultimately as opposed to bill business and therefore was seeing that adjustment.
Okay. That's stomach escalate I will put up offline spilled you mentioned 24, and obviously, we turn the calendar why 24 very soon so maybe just talk about how you're thinking about the setup for 24, you know I don't know based on the backlog conversion, though cause my conversations how should we think about you know that the top line environment for FY Twinkle.
Yeah, well, neither what I'd say is that you know we're still building the 24, a plan, but I'd I'd I'd touch upon some some key items here that I think really set us up well for 24, when you look at the commercial markets and as I talked a little bit earlier that we see that are incredibly healthy and are playing to our strengths.
Especially with the secular trends that are underway within the commercial space.
And so that we see with our orders up by 8% with our backlog up in in our building solutions business.
12 billion in or even in our global products business. Despite somebody inventory adjustments, we are about eight per cent of our global products business also.
And so when you look at that desk momentum is gonna continue now, which if you add the stimulus spending that we don't believe has really been materialized yet as in the background and and I believe with the secular trends in combination of what we're doing in H back with our digital platform and now services are gonna benefit.
Really nicely from the investment so that ultimately you're going to be needed to drive sustainability then.
And then if you look at our backlog you know we look at this very closely it's very resilient and very strong with the idea that we believe that even through the next quarter. We we've got an incredible pipeline that we're converting working to develop the backlog so that when we plan and ultimately enter it in the next year, we're going to have a nice bath.
Clogged to work from and then the last is is really the acceleration of the transformation of our building solutions business to services.
Proposition is playing out I would call. It a reply wheel, which has been accelerating which is about creating installed base getting that in base connected with higher attach rates with higher revenue per customer that leads to lower attrition and then all of that spins out additional business like with our spare parts and upgrades and the like so.
You know I I feel that the current trends that we see and how we're being set up we're gonna set up for you know.
<unk> 2024, but but again you know you can't predict b the environment, but the trends that are underway do play to our strengths and additional comment on the margin at night, George such to ordering gross margin and we see expansion gross margin George mentioned it services is growing faster than Instore now we are used.
<unk> to drive service. So we should see gross margin expansion and also we're working on for the S. G and a leverage as we started the eyes and love Reg orchestral functional excellence across the organization. So top line and marching we believe we have witnessed position for 24.
Okay. That's good detail thanks, guys.
Thank you and Nigel.
The next question will come from Steve too so with J P. Morgan you.
You may not go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
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Can you just walk through a little bit the fourth quarter and this <unk>.
Sales deceleration as well as maybe some color on what you would expect for the margins by segment. The the growth seems to be slowing pretty significantly here just wanted to see if that's concentrated in any particular business, maybe there's some segment color for the fourth quarter.
So if you look at the top line today in the building solution business the top Chinese very strong the order momentum is expected to continue in the fourth quarter. We have good visibility today based upon where we are today in the quarter you have in the top Klein some.
And <unk> channel, that's it's impacting our short of Psych cycled business <unk>, George mentioned that that would be an impact on global policy, but we see that as being temporary.
If you look at <unk>, we believe that the field business, the olive business solution business marching would keep improving.
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Some absorption as we are ramping applied to <unk> to drive market share and need time, we have add some absorption impact and also we have normalizing inventory inventory and finished goods went down by about 20 days in in about two quarters that is.
Impacting also absorption so that's the story <unk> and how about you.
Yeah, I I guess for global products, what what what do you expect for revenue, maybe either organic you over a year or.
Sequentially. However, you think about it because I think that that's kind of where the whole is on revenue here it seems like.
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Growing low single digits, two flat and marching would be expanding too flat for all of our products because of the two Santa minutes I've mentioned Steve.
Yep. Okay, then sorry, one one last quick one how much price that you're getting the feel business in the quarter.
We we don't talk about price anymore for the building so there shouldn't business because we send a solution it's difficult to differentiate price from from volume anymore. We discuss about this but you know oh, behold pricing and value proposition is resonating with our customers.
So let's see so then just say so.
So I guess, how do you calculate if you don't if you don't calculate price how do you calculate price cost than in your slides on slide 12 for the solutions business.
Mainly going to impact, our <unk> business and and to an extent also the fields.
So you've just a comment on that as we discuss we've been building models robust models from Ah.
Caused the value proposition standpoint, and it's calculated on based on the inflation that that we built into our long cycle businesses and then how that plays out two then the value proposition that we bring to our customers would be differentiated install that ultimately, which then leads to our our service growth and that's what's in the the overall.
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Great. Thank you.
Thank you Sir.
Our next question will come from Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. You May not go ahead.
Alright, Thanks, good morning, everyone.
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Maybe just just going back to the Destocking comments and global products I'm sure you guys. You know conversations with your channel partners it might be yeah, there might be a little bit of uncertainty but.
You did mention Olivia gets that you expect us to be temporary.
What kind of sense, you'll get in terms of the timing destocking and how elevated their inventories are today I'm just trying to trying to get a sense for you know how quickly we should get back to normal demand patterns in that business.
<unk>, let me tell you that you're on the the rescue side I think in line with what what everyone's seeing in the industry. We've seen a significant adjustment and we've taken that in the first half and now through third quarter pretty significant adjustment, where now where we believe we're now in line with the industry relative to our.
To our volumes and the like now when you look at we do believe there's some additional destocking in queue for but I pick through that will set up here in the first quarter for a second quarter of next year I think it will be pretty normalized.
On the on the firing security when you look at those businesses. It is mainly a product of when we saw a significant ramp when lead times were extended we redevelop significant backlog and we've been working down that backlog, what's the good news I've seen that I was on the input side Uhm as we're now moving forward with start.
To see a pick up now some of that the backlog and so our ability to be able to then take on the orders create the backlog and then be position from a supply chain to respond we're in a much better position and so we will see some of that play out here in the in the fourth quarter as it relates to foreign security, but we do believe it's short term and we do.
Believe is totally aligned with the the lead times the lead time adjustments that have been made and I would tell you that when we look at some of the core products and new products that were bringing into into that that segment. We're seeing some nice pickup on market share with some of the new products.
Okay, Great. That's good to hear George I guess, maybe my my second question, just going back to 2024, and just thinking about the service growth that you've seen over the last three quarters, obviously that is gonna be mix secretive to the business. How did you kind of think about the margin impact that's in the back.
Log right now and and that we should see come through in 2024, and the building police and stuff.
Well as it as it relates to the overall growth in I mean.
I think this is the first.
We've seen where now our service growth on a sustained basis is outpacing our install and so when you go back to the strategy of the company with our building solutions business was to to make sure. We use install very strategically and how we build our installed base with our assets with our equipment and then with a digital assets.
Enable us to be able to extract.
<unk> lifecycle, the services and now with the digital content that we have we're not only enhancing what historically, we've done, but it's not giving us the opportunity to add additional services with the customers that were serving so we feel very good about continuing to sustain that growth rate services that'll.
Be a natural mix with the revenues that turn within our within our building solutions business globally and was seen it.
The traction as in every one of the reasons I mean this is not isolated into two one vertical one reaches its pretty much across the board and so with that that combined Olivia et cetera margins. We continue to drive strong productivity both in Cogs as well as SG&A. So that combined with the mix of services is gonna <unk>.
Do a creep margins within our building solutions business.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Alright so.
Our next question will come from no. Okay with Oppenheimer you May now go ahead.
Good morning, Thanks for taking the questions. Your first if it looks like guide is now for higher amortization of intangibles and that's driving about a 575th headwind versus the park can you confirm that math and then B talk about the time may expectation for accretion on on some of the acquisitions, you've made I I assume that.
Acquisitions are what's driving the higher amortization for the year.
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Soft off off the next fiscal year.
[noise] Alright, that's helpful and and then you know just to better understand the free cashflow conversion dynamics. It sounds like you do expect some inventory reduction you know here in four Q, but you know as we think about you know what needs to happen for you to kind of get back to.
You know of course that 100 per cent free cash flow conversions reset for 24, what are you going to be focused on.
<unk> you mentioned it we add a good poll question inventory reduction into tree.
We have good momentum as indicated we have reduced almost finished goods lithotome entries in days by about 20 days. So that's where the focus is as it anytime is improving we have seen some and inventory extra it's mentioned the channel and that is impacting on a short term I'll <unk>.
T to dispose of the inventory at the speed we added she painted but we believe it's a short term phenomenon and we believe that we are absolutely going to return to or one of the <unk> next physical.
I appreciate that thank you.
The next question will come from Jeff Sprog with vertical research you may not go ahead.
Alright. Thank you good morning, everyone.
I just wanted to come back to service margins and kind of Georgia, new addresses to some degree in a prior question but.
The key K P. I in my view that in this quarter was you know there's significant lift in North America margins in the quarter and you delivered on that.
Is surface mix, playing a really.
Really significant role in that performance in the corner.
Or are we actually just seeing more kind of <unk>.
<unk> and SG&A programs and other things you were trying to do on productivity and.
Maybe you could just give us a little bit more color on how you would expect that north American margin to progress into the fourth quarter.
Yeah, Let me reflect here, Jeff if you go back to North America, and what played out last year, you may recall that a lot of the backlog that was built up darn 21 prior to the significant ramp up of inflation and the backlog that turned is really what caused the margin pressure laugh.
Last year.
And so that.
Then the work that we've done since then with the cost models and value proposition in pricing as a result on a go forward basis, we've been building very strong marching in backlog across the board not just North America, but across our building solutions business you know over the last 18 months and so significant.
Piece of that is the the margin we had been put in backlog after that ramp up of a pricing and the accumulation of the inflation inflationary caused that we took into consideration into our models that being said North America.
Is starting to turn relative to service as a percent of revenue and you're gonna start to see that accretion on a go forward basis contributing now you also on a margin right. We have been with the value proposition that we've had with service we've been able to through all the inflationary cycle, we've been able to maintain very <unk>.
Tractor margins and so it has been through that cycle very strong and now with the mix going forward is gonna be continue to be accelerating the accretion in the benefit that we're gonna get into Marjorie on a go forward basis.
I would add <unk> to get we are now driving installed to drive services. It wasn't the case before so you would see marching expand short. So also because we are very selective onions stolen and to your <unk>.
The <unk> is to come in to M. S G and a love rich as we standardize all operations further and we're in the middle of this and leverage function that makes sense. So <unk> and we have said that in order to level of conviction is actually increasing we believe we can believe over the next gen for.
2% incremental for the company because of those two phenomena marching in this Janet.
Alright and.
Sounds like you're noodling on maybe moving to an egg sandwiches nation E. P. S construct <unk> I wonder if you'd upon a little further on that and just the amortization that we see.
How much of that is directly kind of deal related amortization versus maybe amortization of software or other things that are running through the system.
<unk> relating to deals and if you look at all the P is today, where do you will only one two <unk> four data <unk> EPS. So we're looking at that as a potential for next year chess that's already related.
The the cycle Johnson controls manager would be the lion's share of T. Some optimization.
Great. Thank you.
Our next question will come from Julian Mitchell with Barclays. You May not go ahead.
Thanks, very much maybe.
Maybe I'm just wanted to start off with how you're thinking about that sort of slide seven and the profit drive is from price cost and uhm productivity benefit so get running very stolen productivity benefits in 2023.
Maybe just remind us what's the incremental saving into 2020 full that's that's left on the the the cost out program and then how quickly it should we expect that big price cause tailwind to narrow towards parity next year. Thank you.
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That should drive a margin expansion, who at <unk> <unk>.
Mailing gross margin and prices cost.
Julian relative to just pure price when we're planning for 24, we see continued pricing note certainly at a reduced level like given the continued inflation and how we're we're booking that inflation into our backlog, we still see pricing playing out as we as we plan for 24.
That's helpful. Thank you and then I.
This is my second question on the the top line. So looking at slides 12, you have the 4% install or does gross in North America and Emilia in the third quarter.
Just wanted to you know given the sort of the the macro data out there Dodge start square footage and so on an interest rate. So you think those in stole all the numbers decelerate from that 4% in the two regions or they can sort of hold the line when you look out.
Yeah. So when you look at our go to market and we look at this very closely on a weekly.
Weekly monthly basis, when you look at our pipeline our pipeline is continuing to grow and so as we look at whether it be domain to buy domain or as we look at our building solutions now addressing these secular trends we're building a very strong pipeline.
And on a run rate basis, as we project Q4, we still see very strong order growth in queue for.
So it is it is hard to dissect exactly.
<unk> from a vertical standpoint, because we see pretty pretty boy broad strangth across whether it be industrial data centers. We we we talked about government. There's a lot of strength that we see here and we're making sure that from a go to market standpoint, we're gonna be positioned to be able to capitalize.
With her and then the value propositions that we have as it relates to the secular trends. It really does tie to be able to be able to create the most amount of value and then in our solutions business really builds an attractive service business from and.
And so I was as I used to set up for 24, it's gonna be critical here is we pace through the fourth quarter with the order rates.
Set up a backlog because our our building solutions business at least from an install standpoint is pretty predictable over the next 12 months and that backlog continues to build in our pipeline and conversion right now in queue for suggest if that's gonna continue with a very strong right.
Perfect. Thanks very much.
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Yeah. Thanks, good morning eyes.
<unk> Alright, Nicole maybe just starting with the price <unk> dynamics and email I, specifically, so I know that segment is kind of lagging a bet with respect to execution of higher price backlog is the expectation that price Cos turns positive you know could that happen in the fourth quarter has gotten more of like a 2020th four events.
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Describe the business. So if you were to remove those the Mancini Miller would have increased by about 140 basis points in the quarter. You will have some of those impacts again in queue for impacting me laugh, but again nothing structural E E. Miller.
Nicole.
We look at the all the work we've done on on the the price costs over the last <unk>.
Coupla years, especially in this <unk> environment. When you look at the margins in backlog in our mail a business or a very strong going forward and so it's a matter of of just the timing of the conversion.
Got it that's clear thanks, guys and then just thinking about that overhang that you're seeing with <unk> products <unk> global products, <unk> and very tough prior year comps I guess, how do you think about physical 20th four from that perspective like do you see the potential to start expanding Martin.
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Being manufacturing of every time, we had an impact in congestion costs.
Again, as we have normalized fault for inventory we have <unk>.
<unk> that is impacting congestion cost as well.
Combine impact those those two elements ease up a bit more than the pointing to quarter of Nicole and we believe that we will have some of that happening in queue for that we see absolutely margin expansion happening you know what global products business.
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Thank you I wanted to follow up on the the destock headwinds on the indirect sorry for <unk>, Okay, and this may be quantify you know what that headwind means for fiscal queue for organic growth and and the guy like you know where where would.
That four per cent if it wasn't for these headwinds thank you.
I would say that on the yeah decent back just about one to one and a half and and then you could do the maths four four or so <unk>. It's it's in the ballpark of one to one and a half would impact on the on the yet.
Thank you I I appreciate that and it sounds like from from the prior commentary that you guys would expect this headwind to alleviate in the early part of fiscal 24. So you know obviously, that's a tailwind to the four per cent organic guide for the fiscal fourth quarter are there any sort of negative offsets. There you know <unk> you know.
If anything you know kind of getting worse from here is we try to build the organic broken into next year. Thank you.
So when you look at those businesses in the applied foreign security products, we put through our building solutions business and we're starting to see that you know that's very strong and pick it up and it's critical to our building solutions business as far as how we create value and ultimately create service so that is.
<unk> is coming back nicely and then the on the indirect channel where we see the pressure the same has happened there relative to.
The timing of orders based on the the reduce lead times and so are our assessment based on you know.
The intimacy that we have with our distributors and the pulse do we have across the globe that that's gonna come back we're starting to see you know sequential improvement and and then getting you know baseline here that for 24, you know swimming.
<unk> economic conditions are somewhat stable, we we we have been outperforming with our products and our new product.
Launches in the light. So we're confident that we're gonna that's gonna come back and we're gonna be position to be able to to pick that grows up as it is just.
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Well thanks, good morning, guys.
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Wondering if you could comment on supply chain and your own lead times manufacturing many times and.
And whether you anticipate that will have any impact on orders just.
S lead times shrink is there a risk of kind of an order less urgency to place orders that could show up in any given quarter and if so when would you expect that to be.
A potential factor if at all.
And we've seen that it's already been playing out here over the last really the last couple of quarters as it as it relates to our global products business because.
Everyone as supply chain begin to improve and lead times reduced allows our customers to be able to back off what they have to carry and still be able to deliver on their commitments. So that has been playing out we think that you know there's still a little bit left here with Rosie going forward, so a little bit more in the.
<unk> and the indirect foreign security, but.
You know we've already seen a lot of that impact on our book to Bill business and over the last couple of quarters. So we're positioning here uhm to get through that over the next quarter too and and there'll be position to be able to build backlog and have conversion strong growth in 24.
Has there been any spillover effect to the direct channel.
No no you can just come in.
No on the direct channel actually cause we we ultimately you know from end to end, we're responsible for delivery to the customers or whether it be even in or even a rescue direct stores you know we saw.
Nice growth in our rescue direct stores, because we ultimately on the channel and we saw an ice pick up there.
On the on our building solutions business as far as the predictability of our projects and how we're converting we're we're very tight relative to what is going to be consumed and how we're going to deploy it to the field.
And George said that earlier <unk>, all the rate for the building solution business.
Is very strong in queue for.
Yeah. Thank you very much guys.
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Yes, we can Andrew.
Yeah. So as we think about these you know semi fabs and that you'd be plans.
Yeah, I think Ethan was kind that I have to give us sort of range for average content per plant could.
Could you guys just sort of do something similar you know how big a unit goes on average and to one of these so we can just sort of size the opportunity and then the car too when do you guys actually book these projects in your backlog formally right at what stage.
Is it a year into construction just trying to sort of you know follow up on your commentary how.
You should start booking more equipment eventually, but just trying to size the timing and scope of those sent to 24. Thank you.
Well, let me talk about the on the front and the demand and so what you've seen over the last couple of years, we have been.
Been very aggressive not only with the development of our product portfolio, but also our capacity to be able to serve the market.
If you look at our you know orders and applied we we have been getting more than our fair share. We believe that market share wise, where we're up a number of points here on a year on your basis, we've been building backlog and are applied equipment.
And.
We can follow up and get you the average size, but right now because of the expansion. We we've we've more than doubled our capacity.
And were pacing with full utilization of that capacity. So we're we're all doing making sure that we're gonna be position with the demand and that from a lead time standpoint, that's been very important to be able to then be able to respond and be able to create the value with are offering and then be able to then convert on time to be able to capitalize on the demand.
Some of these projects are they are they can be over a year.
<unk> there are now a lot of projects coming into the market that cycle time matters and you can create a lot of value because you have a short of lead time, where we have orders that were taken on now that we're going to deliver next year in 24, and so from a from a positioning in the market we have positioned ourselves to get a very <unk>.
Strong order book in our apply business and that is a core strength of hours across the globe and it relates to to what you said E. E. B plans data centers you know the the the chip manufacturing plants in the light and so on the average sized so you can imagine when you get these large data center customers. They are very large install a.
<unk> and have multiple multiple piece of equipment that are deployed to be able to support the capacity that they're building an additional quota Android we mentioned at <unk>, we have AD and D. U S. All in Europe . So D. I R. A R D equivalents timid us in Europe as not impacted demand.
So far.
So we believe that those friends, we are starting to see are going to be maintained and last one we buchenwald when were received assigned some contract Andrew.
Gotcha and Okay, and just a follow up question on supply chain are you seeing any ability as you know some companies are <unk> talking about disinflation or even deflation are you finally getting back ability to extract pricing concessions from your supply chain.
Into 24.
Yeah, We've always said when you look at our procurement organization in the work that they do even through this period of time, we've been strategically sourcing and making sure we're leveraging our scale and demand to drive productivity drive savings to.
To try to offset some of the inflation or inflationary pressures on the commodities and the like so our team has done a really nice job through the cycle to do that and the answer is of course, yes. I mean, we're we're now planning for continued strong productivity with our scale with our by making sure that we're position that.
The lowest cost with the the leverage of our overall volumes that gives us a competitive advantage you know when when when you look at our product costs are all of our costs within within our cost of goods.
Thanks, so much.
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