Q4 2023 LSI Industries Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: Greetings and welcome to LSI Industries fiscal fourth quarter 2023 results conference call.
Speaker 1: At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation.
Speaker 1: If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Jim Golis, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you. Jim Golis, Chief Financial Officer, The New York Times, is a member of the New York Times
Speaker 2: Good morning everyone and thank you for joining. We issued a press release before the market opened this morning detailing our Fiscal 23 fourth quarter and full year results.
Speaker 2: In conjunction with this release, we also posted a conference call presentation in the investor relations portion of our corporate website at www.lsicorp.com.
Speaker 2: Information contained in this presentation will be referenced throughout today's conference call. Included are certain non-GAAP measures for improved transparency of our operating results.
Speaker 2: A complete reconciliation of GAP and non-GAAP results is contained in our press release and 10k.
Speaker 2: Such statements involve risks and opportunities, and actual results could differ materially. I refer you to our Safe Harbor Statement, which appears in this morning's press release, as well as our most recent 10-K and 10-Q. Today's call will begin with remarks summarizing our fiscal fourth quarter and full year results. At the conclusion of these prepared remarks, we will open the line for questions. With that, I'll turn the call over to LSI President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Clark.
Speaker 3: It's also thanks to the efforts and confidence of our agents, our partners, and the vast network and number of customers we serve. Our customers, agents, and partners trust LSI to be their partner of choice to deliver high quality solutions that help their business grow. I could not be prouder of the contributions of so many and help us achieve a real milestone in the history and journey of LSI.
Speaker 3: Just about four years ago, we developed and published a goal of being a $500 million company with double-digit EBITDA performance in 2025.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to say that we have wholly met that goal as we finish the year just shy of $500 million and just over $52 million of Viva DA.
Speaker 3: And we did that a full two years earlier than our plan. We finished this year in a very strong financial position as we generated over forty six million dollars of free cash flow for the year and reduced our net debt to about thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 3: It's quite an accomplishment for a company that was struggling to hit 300 million in sales and 15 million dollars of EBITDA just four years ago.
Speaker 3: As many of you know, we published an updated plan back in March, which we call our Fast-Forward Plan.
Speaker 3: It outlines our roadmap to get to $800 million in sales and nearly $100 million in EBITDA performance in 2028.
Speaker 3: The plan is as ambitious as our original plan to hit $500 million in sales.
Speaker 3: But this time we'll be doing it with the advantage of a seasoned team of folks on our management team
Speaker 3: right through our sales team, manufacturing floor, and operations team.
Speaker 3: Much like our original plan, it calls for a balance of growth through organic activities and M&A.
Speaker 3: It continues to focus on our strategic initiative of zeroing in on high potential vertical markets.
Speaker 3: such as grocery, c-store, warehousing and manufacturing, automotive and sports courts, among others.
Speaker 3: Those goods and services are differentiated. They are designed and developed to serve those vertical markets in a way that commodity and catalog offerings cannot, and they provide value to our customers that help them run their businesses. Over the past five years, we have regularly been introducing more than 20 new products each and every year. Last year, our spotlight product was the LSI ReadyMount. The ReadyMount allows our customers and our installers the opportunity to install our award-winning canopy lighting solutions more efficiently and with less time and cost to them.
Speaker 3: In addition, it allows for vastly simplified installation, service and upgrade process, and it creates a long-term relationship with our customers.
Speaker 3: in which everyone benefits. This year, in 2024, we will continue that pace of development and innovation with the introduction of more than 20 new products again, and with our flagship solution being a next-generation, environmentally-friendly, refrigerated display solution with the support of our five- tactic communityangle.
Speaker 3: that uses no ozone depleting chemicals.
Speaker 3: This product will move away from man-made refrigerants into an organic gas refrigerant that has a zero ozone depleting footprint and virtually no global warming potential.
Speaker 3: We are in the process now of adding an additional manufacturing facility in Maine that will house this R290 solution with the goal of taking orders in Q2 and delivering first generation products in Q3 of 2024. Our Digital Menu Board Division continues to gain interest in orders.
Speaker 3: from an ever-expanding base of customers. Three years back, we were fortunate to be awarded a $100 million project to install outdoor digital menu boards across the country for one of the world's largest quick-serve burger chains.
Speaker 3: We have wholly completed that project with a very satisfied customer.
Speaker 3: and we've made a significant name for ourselves as a quality supplier and partner that can manage not only the design and manufacturing of this solution, but also the project management, installation, and post-sales support.
Speaker 3: With that, we have a small but growing revenue, recurring revenue associated with this ongoing remote content management and services.
Speaker 3: and we continue to differentiate ourselves as a company as a full solutions provider.
Speaker 3: With an oversized award like this project, there has to be a lot of work done to fill the gap once things are complete.
Speaker 3: And I'm happy to say our sales and design team have done an outstanding job of doing just that.
Speaker 3: by infilling ongoing activities of that hundred million dollar order with a variety of customers from burgers to chicken, Chinese food to tacos.
Speaker 3: We are very excited to continue to expand this solution and we think in the long run digital displays will find a place in other areas of our vertical marketing strategy.
Speaker 3: Our lighting division continues to innovate and expand its product and services offering.
Speaker 3: LSI has always been known for its industry leading outdoor lighting and advanced control solutions.
Speaker 3: But it's also always had a very robust indoor product lighting offering.
Speaker 3: Our ability to deliver these solutions to the vertical markets we serve has continued to pay dividends for LSI, our customers, and our investors.
Speaker 3: We believe LSI has a lot of runway left.
Speaker 3: We have a team of folks that are ready to continue our growth in lighting, digital and print displays, refrigerated solutions, and our expanding base of project management and service solutions.
Speaker 3: We have a well thought out strategy and a plan to grow that is adaptable to changing market conditions and competitive forces.
Speaker 3: We feel confident in our ability to manage and seek out continued productivity and cost opportunities while managing price, margin and cash flow.
Speaker 3: With that, I'll turn the call over to Jim Golisz who will provide additional details on our fourth quarter and full year performance.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Jim.
Speaker 2: A solid fourth quarter capped a successful year for LSI.
Speaker 2: In summary, fourth quarter operating income increased 43% year-over-year on sales of $124 million.
Speaker 2: The business generated $14 million of adjusted EBITDA in Q4, 33% above last year.
Speaker 2: and continue to realize margin expansion.
Speaker 2: with adjusted EBITDA margin of 11.4 percent, 310 basis points.
Speaker 2: above last year.
Speaker 2: Fourth quarter reported earnings per share, or 28 cents, with adjusted EPS at 30 cents.
Speaker 2: This compares to 18 cents and 21 cents respectively for the prior year quarter.
Speaker 2: improved profitability combined with a lower fourth quarter effective tax rate through the increase.
Speaker 2: The lower tax rate contributed 4 cents to reported EPS and 3 cents to adjusted EPS. For the full fiscal year, sales increased to 497 million, representing 9% year-over-year growth. Adjusted net income increased 61% to 29 million. Adjusted earnings per share increased 55% to 99 cents per share. This represents the company's highest full-year EPS in over 20 years. Full-year adjusted EBITDA increased to 52 million, with the adjusted EBITDA margin rate expanding 270 basis points to 10.4%, and all quarters showing considerable improvement over prior year.
Speaker 2: Our significantly improved earnings and working capital efficiency generated full year free cash flow of $46 million. Cash generation was positive throughout the year, culminating with fourth quarter cash flow of approximately $16 million.
Speaker 2: Strong cash flow was applied to reduce the level of outstanding debt.
Speaker 2: We reduced debt by over 50% in the last 12 months to $35 million.
Speaker 2: lowering our ratio of net debt to trailing 12 month adjusted EBITDA to 0.7 times.
Speaker 2: Lower debt was a capital allocation priority in fiscal 23 and provides the balance sheet flexibility to pursue both organic and inorganic growth initiatives as outlined in our updated five-year strategic plan.
Speaker 2: A regular cash dividend of five cents per share was declared payable September 5th for shareholders of record on August 28th.
Speaker 2: Now, a few comments on segment performance.
Speaker 2: Lighting growth continued in Q4 with sales increasing 5%.
Speaker 2: representing the ninth consecutive quarter of growth compared to the prior year period.
Speaker 2: Growth reflects ongoing healthy activity in our key vertical markets.
Speaker 2: particularly parking applications, warehousing, and automotive.
Speaker 2: For fiscal year 23, lighting sales increased 17%.
Speaker 2: with double-digit growth achieved in both indoor and outdoor applications.
Speaker 2: Our assessment is that we are taking share and outperforming the market.
Speaker 2: a combination of our expanding position in key markets, and the overall vitality of these priority verticals.
Speaker 2: The lighting gross margin rate improved to 33% in the fourth quarter and the full year margin rate improved to 32%.
Speaker 2: 190 basis points above last year.
Speaker 2: We enter fiscal 24 with a project quotation level steady at a high level.
Speaker 2: and Q4 bookings were favorable.
Speaker 2: With a book to bill ratio above 1.
Speaker 2: We are seeing some slowing in large projects, but small and medium project activity remains healthy.
Speaker 2: We continue to experience lengthening quote to order conversion periods, but these are holding steady.
Speaker 2: These are committed projects, but because of financing and budgetary purposes.
Speaker 2: final specs and product requirements are constantly being modified.
Speaker 2: are constantly being modified, delaying order release.
Speaker 2: Pricing remains steady and material input costs vary by commodity, but overall input costs remain aligned with pricing.
Speaker 2: As expected, four-quarter display solution sales declined versus the prior year.
Speaker 2: as the prior year quarter was a peak period for our large digital menu board order.
Speaker 2: Full year display solution sales increased 1%, but sales increased 13% when excluding the digital menu board order.
Speaker 2: reflecting the ongoing strength and investment in the grocery, refueling C-Store, and QSR market verticals.
Speaker 2: Full year display operating income increased 43% and realized significant margin rate expansion.
Speaker 2: with the gross margin rate improving 470 basis points.
Speaker 2: and operating income improving to 11.6% of sales.
Speaker 2: The mix of higher value applications along with improved program pricing drove the rate expansion.
Speaker 2: We enter fiscal 24 with very active customer inquiry levels for branding and image initiatives.
Speaker 2: particularly in the refueling sea store and grocery space.
Speaker 2: In addition, we are experiencing very high interest in our new refrigerated display case product scheduled for launch in Q3 of fiscal 24. We will begin taking orders late in fiscal Q2 for shipment beginning in fiscal Q3.
Speaker 2: In summary, it was a solid quarter and fiscal year for LSI.
Speaker 2: We enter fiscal 24 well positioned to build on this.
Speaker 2: The market is steady at a healthy level and will support our commercial efforts with continued strong operational execution and effective margin management.
Speaker 2: I will now return the call back to the moderator.
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Speaker 1: Our first question comes from the line of Aaron Spachella with Craig Hallam. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning, Jim and Jim. Thanks for taking the questions.
Speaker 2: First, for me, I saw in the deck you talked about the second half of FY24 being stronger than the first half. Can you just talk about some of the factors that go into that? Then just more broadly on the markets that you're in seem to be a little more insulated from the macro and have had good capex trends. Can you just...
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about paybacks or return on investment or just other factors that customers are looking at when evaluating lighting and display versus other projects.
Speaker 3: Good morning Aaron, thanks for the question, thanks for getting on the call. Yeah, I mean, we're not shielded from anything anymore or less than anybody else, but as we've talked before kind of in this forum and others.
Speaker 3: You know, we selected our strategies really based around vertical markets and we want to be, you know, more to fewer as opposed to something to everyone. And within those vertical markets we picked, we look for how we can add value to our customers businesses and help them improve their overall function as a business. And then,
Speaker 3: Also, how they would respond to any kind of external macro pressures and things like that. So the markets that we've picked are generally aligned with that. They're not immune, but they're more resistant, if you will. So as you look across our vertical markets like grocery or...
Speaker 3: or C-Store or, you know, interestingly enough, automotive has just been on fire. We just thought that these are markets that will kind of move through the cycles of this in a longer term, but the customers will still invest and keep to their plans.
Speaker 3: And that's proven out to be a pretty solid strategy over the last five years or so.
Speaker 3: in terms of strength in the second half and you know for us.
Speaker 3: I just mentioned it a few minutes ago, we're going to be introducing some newer products. Probably at the top of mind this year is the introduction of our R290 refrigerated solution. It's a zero ozone, zero global warming contributor. And it's.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a product we think is going to have a lot of demand and we have a lot of opportunity with it. So we see that as, you know, as being a real growth driver in the second half.
Speaker 3: And then lastly, I would say to that you're aware of the seasonality we have, you know, where these numbers right now reflect Q4 participation. We'll have the Q1 participation, but you know, the winter months are from a seasonality perspective are usually a little bit lighter on us. It's got nothing to do with
Speaker 3: demand or interest or lost deals or anything, it's just the reality of doing exterior installations and such during winter months.
Speaker 2: The only thing I would add to that, Jim covered it very thoroughly, is we mentioned about the lengthening to order conversion rate. That started sometime in Q3 and is continuing.
Speaker 2: So that will affect us from out the door more in the first half. That will be the norm and stabilized and hopefully condensed a little bit by the second half of the year. So that will be more of a normal operating.
Speaker 2: environment. Right, right. That makes sense. And then just second on margins, great job obviously to date. And you talked about some of the runway that's left there. Can you just provide a little bit more detail on some of the key levers and just how margins might...
Speaker 3: you know, progresses as we think about FY24? Well, you know that we're pretty good about planning and, you know, I think our fast forward plan up on the web is a good indication of how we like to set our goals and objectives. We have a number of things we feel we can still do operationally from a procurement standpoint, from a manufacturing standpoint.
Speaker 3: But a lot of those things are gated by the ongoing kind of variations, you know, we input commodity pricing, some things are moving down, some things are moving up. Labor is still a bit unsteady. I mean, we've been doing very good with it and we feel very good, but it's still just a bit unsteady.
Speaker 3: And it's not really within our company as much as externally. And so some of the programs that we want to initiate, implement, and continue to refine and implement are, if the timing's just not right, because you're trying to do things while it's raining outside. So it's just better.
Speaker 3: for some of those things to wait when things become more stable, but we have the plans to implement that. When I say that we have more runway, we have the plans to do those things. I think you can see from our margin performance and stuff, we're incrementally implementing those, if the environment was a little bit more stable.
Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about internal, I'm talking about external partners and things like that, installation teams, permitting issues, things like that. We think there's another couple of turns of the wheel we can implement that just allow us to become more efficient and they'll be reflected in margin.
Speaker 2: Aaron, one of the things we're very encouraged about our margin expansion has been it's been very balanced, not driven by one particular element. So volume certainly over the last year has been a contributor. Higher quality applications, higher quality mix certainly playing into that.
Speaker 2: our ability to really, and we spend a lot of time on this, getting pricing right by program, representing the value of the solutions we're providing and the customer recognizing that. So we spend a lot of time on pricing and then we always keep a sharp eye on costs.
Speaker 2: expansionally driven now over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Right, right, thanks for that. And then just maybe last, really nice free cash flow generation and continuing to pay down the debt over the last year and a half. Can you just maybe give an update on capital allocation priorities, saw the mention of organic and inorganic, but just maybe some more color there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you're going to see any material changes in our capital models that we've used in the past. I think you have to give some way for inflation and the general, from a total dollar standpoint, just the inflated cost of things that are going to be with us for some time.
Speaker 2: we see in the short intermediate term remaining the same. Correct.
Speaker 5: Okay, and then anything new on the M&A outlook as we think about that opportunity with the balance sheet? Not so much....
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's always a tricky subject to talk about. You know, I'll just say what I've said in the past. We always have our oars in the water looking for opportunities. We think that the environment is a bit better right now. I know there's a lot of thoughts on this, but.
Speaker 3: struggles or stabilization of their business and how much they want to continue to put in. You know I think that the change in cost of capital and such has you know slowed down some of these stratospheric multiples and I like the tone of the conversations a lot better today.
Speaker 3: than I did a year ago, and our activity level is strong. But as you know, you've been following us for a while, yeah, we're very disciplined. We're disciplined buyers and the value's gotta be there, not just from a financial perspective.
Speaker 3: but how it fits into our strategy and then how it fits into our culture. Right, right. I appreciate that. That's it for me. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll turn it over.
Speaker 5: and how it fits into our culture. Right, right. I appreciate that. That's it for me. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll turn it over. Okay, thanks Aaron. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: Our next question comes on the line of George Nariquez with Kenicord Unuity. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 6: Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my question and thanks for coming to our conference.
Speaker 6: Good morning and thanks for taking my question and thanks for coming to our conference last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning George and thank you. It was great to see you and it was a great conference too. We certainly had a full dance card through the whole thing and I you know, I appreciate the invite. That's great to hear. So maybe to start just a couple questions on the macroeconomic environment. You mentioned that these are
Speaker 6: You expressed some consternation last quarter about some just small signs you were seeing in the marketplace that maybe things weren't exactly going swimmingly. What has changed about the character of the issue that you've seen, that you expressed some issues about last quarter and also addressed this quarter as well?
Speaker 6: of the customer that you're seeing issues with changing, or is it sort of the same that you saw last quarter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, I'll just sum it up in one word, which is timing. It's not interest, it's not quote activity, it's not project activity. All of those things...
Speaker 3: remain on the same pace that we've had for the last couple of years, if you will. And in general, by the way, that activity rate has increased kind of quarter over quarter. What we're seeing is a lengthening in the...
Speaker 3: the process, if you will, the initial request for a quote, the sit-down and discussion, and then, if you will, the final decision, that lengthening between the final quote and agreement on the project and the actual execution of the project.
Speaker 3: has been lengthening. It's stable right now, but at an extended kind of arm if you will and we just noted, I just brought it up in the sense that from a timing perspective, things that we saw that might have closed in, you know, that we were planning on closing, you know, June 20th are now closing, you know.
Speaker 3: July 18th things that we thought Traditionally we're going to close on you know or through our systems indicated a close on May 12 You know didn't happen until June 26. We're not losing any projects We're just seeing that once we get to that
Speaker 3: point where we're like, okay, we're ready to move forward. We've noticed just in some of our customer base that time between, okay, we're done, let me get you the purchase order has just lengthened a bit. And I think there's lots of factors for it. I think there's lots of reasons for it. Most of them are external. They could be in new construction.
Speaker 3: There are things like final funding releases and things like that. As you know, all the banks have tightened up and when you're in a project like that, it's just taking a couple more checks and signatures for developers or such to keep the timing going. When we're talking about
Speaker 3: remodels and things like that. We're looking at labor issues, either external subcontractors or even in some cases internally, just the number of people to get all the paperwork and the processes done.
Speaker 3: You know, I just think it's fair. We've always been very transparent and we just wanted to kind of mention it. I do not want to overplay it.
Speaker 2: You know, George, the secular trends of some of our key verticals remain very sound. You look at refueling, C-Store, grocery, QSR, 290 plays into, but also the customer experience as things are their competitive environment and so forth.
Speaker 2: So we see some of these secular trends in our key verticals remaining pretty healthy.
Speaker 2: as Jim's points, then it just comes down to timing.
Speaker 6: All right, so no cancellations, just timing issues, so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yep, and like I said that that kind of popped up in the spring and
Speaker 3: And it hasn't lengthened anymore, but it's at an extended level right now because we track this stuff, right? We look and you know, it's not perfect science or anything, but we have an expectation from initial inquiry to project development to final spec to order, you know, to actual order and then obviously through manufacturing and delivery.
Speaker 3: It's not just an extension, it's kind of a little bit of an accordion.
Speaker 3: We're in an extended phase and then things can compress on us.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: How is the permitting environment, do you express?
Speaker 6: Some issues with that I think maybe last quarter the quarter before that you know you're getting permits on time
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that is wholly stabilized, you know, it's still at a very extended permitting time in Mexico, but you know that's just that just may be the new norm for her.
Speaker 7: you know
Speaker 3: years or months, you know, but it's just now it's just a new norm down there, but domestically the states in Canada that has stabilized.
Speaker 3: And you know it's yeah, it's less of an issue right now.
Speaker 6: You gave some kind of qualitative guidance around fiscal 24. You discussed the previous question. I'm curious as to whether you can help us bridge 23 to 28. Do you think 24 will be a growth year?
Speaker 3: I think we're one month into the year right now. We have some limited visibility, but it would be premature for me to kind of guess on 24 or forecast on 24. I will say that I expect that, you know,
Speaker 3: I can tell you in lighting, I think that the signs remain positive within that limited window that we have, let's say a two month window or such. I think that more timing related in the display side and that has to do with construction schedules and that lengthening.
Speaker 3: concern about our ability to continue to grow. I do see that you know timing related issues could be off you know 30, 60 days and what I worry about in the public market side is that you know something that pushes one quarter that will pick up in the next quarter is overreacted.
Speaker 3: I don't see anything that's going to keep us, take us too far off track of where we're going. Yeah, we feel confident we'll continue to outperform the market.
Speaker 2: So to Jim's point, whatever the market may end up being. And we also feel solid about maintaining the quality of our earnings.
Speaker 6: as well. That's a great segue to my last question. With regard to the M&A environment, how much does earnings accretion matter to you when you look at targets?
Speaker 3: Well, I will tell you that I think we have a demonstrated management team with the ability to kind of work with something that is dilutive and create value, but we would also certainly like to kind of focus on things that are accretive right from the beginning. I think that it would be...
Speaker 3: anything that we would do that we would consider that might be initially dilutive, you can be assured we have a plan that will make it accretive at some point and not take too long. If we did something accretive, we want to make sure we're not.
Speaker 3: paying too much of a premium that washes away that accretion. So what I would tell you is we're disciplined investors. We're choosy. And I just mentioned it with Erin's question, you know, we don't look just at the financial metrics. We look at how it fits into our strategy. There's no sense having orphans.
Speaker 3: to our strategy. And then lastly, or maybe not lastly, but just as importantly, we look at culture. We don't want to kind of take a square peg no matter what its performance is and try to force it into our round hole, if you will.
Speaker 3: You know, all of those factors, you know, help make our decisions, but I would just underline with saying we're disciplined, but I am encouraged by the environment right now.
Speaker 3: I think there's more in front of us maybe based on our results, maybe based on the general market or maybe based on a combination of all those things.
Speaker 8: Thanks. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. George, thank you for the questions.
Speaker 1: Our next question comes from the line of Samir Joshi with HC Wainwright. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 9: Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple on the orders. The EV battery manufacturing facility order, have you disclosed the scope in dollar terms of that opportunity going forward?
Speaker 3: We haven't, you know, what I would like to say is, you know, it's a, you know, I know that there was, there's been a number of questions over the, you know, last year or so, like projects like our large digital menu board order, you know, it's a hundred million dollar project that hits you all at once.
Speaker 3: Well, you know while we were executing against you know the delivery of that project we were also executing around backfilling that You know and so when you have a big spike like that like a big order like that our attention
Speaker 3: outside of delivering on that immediately turns to okay how do we maintain this elevated level. The EV project, that EV project doesn't rise to that same level but it was you know it's a project we wanted to make note of not only because of the composition of the project.
Speaker 3: But because it's within what we consider our Ohio region, you know, we like this whole concept of Ohio for Ohio buying locally. But that buying locally, by the way, also extends to Texas and extends to...
Speaker 3: Utah and the West Coast, wherever we have a facility, we're trying to make sure we're visible in the community and we want to participate in a way that allows our employees to see their work in a local facility but also for those customers to see the pride of the people that are in that area. So
Speaker 3: You know, that's why we highlighted it, we were excited about it. It's a sizable project and to be completely frank, we're working on phase two of that right now so maybe there will be something else we have. But it doesn't rise to the level where it...
Speaker 3: created any big Abnomalee in the corridor or anything. It's just another one of those larger projects we get
Speaker 9: Understood, thanks for that. And on the display side, there is a capacity expansion that is being planned or already underway. Is there any significant capex involved in that or is it just a few couple million dollars?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a couple million dollars and it's kind of within our plan, you know, plus or minus a million or so. Nothing, again, I think the first one of the first questions we got was around our capital plan and it remains consistent with our prior years, you know.
Speaker 3: adjusted for inflationary costs and things like that. But yeah, it's already included and it's not significant.
Speaker 3: inflationary costs and things like that. But yeah, it's already included and it's not significant.
Speaker 3: We have been in our prior years. We've been staging up for this so there has been incremental investments we've made that we're now just consolidating into one facility, new facility.
Speaker 9: Understood. And then just, you mentioned a few things in terms of delay, lead time delays. How does that impact your OpEx and working capital requirements? Another way to ask the question is...
Speaker 3: Do you see any impact on operating profits because of these delays? No. They don't rise to the level where they disrupt a quarter significantly, but there could be**
Speaker 3: you know, mid-single digit adjustments on a quarter by quarter basis, but I think if you took any two quarters together, they would normalize.
Speaker 9: Okay, and so we should expect operating leverage year over year. In other words, operating expense as a percent of revenue should be expected to be lower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that is one of the levers we pull, right? Is that, and so yeah, I mean I think there's still a lot of, there's still a lot of those efficiencies and there's still a lot of the timing things that we can do, you know, to create that opportunity and that's just our ongoing job to execute against them and I think.
Speaker 3: You know, this year, if you look at 2024 on a whole, you can see that kind of incremental steps up. You know, sometimes we're taking two steps forward and a half step back, you know, and sometimes we're taking, you know, a half step forward. So, but if you look at it on an aggregated basis, you can see that continual improvement.
Speaker 2: Samir, I'll just add that there are some variable cost in operating expense, so they do flex.
Speaker 2: you know if there is a bit of softness somewhere things like you know agency commissions you know go down because you don't you don't pay it. So there is we'll be able to we'll be able to manage you know our OpEx in line with our operating margin expectations.
Speaker 9: Understood. And then the distribution of, or rather contribution from the lighting versus display. I think this quarter you had around 57.7% of revenues from lighting. Is that trend, is that proportion expected in the next few quarters?
Speaker 9: And if so, does it imply a better gross margin going forward?
Speaker 3: No, I think that, you know, and I'm not making any blanket statements here, but in general, lighting has more of a sensitivity to the seasonality we talked about than display solutions does. I think that you'll always see it kind of hovering in this.
Speaker 3: it in terms of a football field, we're going to play between the 40s all the time, you know lighting and display solutions.
Speaker 9: and gross margin implications?
Speaker 3: In what regards you mean? Because I think your liking segment gross margins are 33% plus and displays are lower. Yeah, much different business profile. I think that in order to get an apples to apples comparison you look at the top line revenue and you look at the bottom line.
Speaker 2: One being more capital intensive than the other. One has a higher gross margin rate than the other, but the other may have a lower OPEX smear as you know. Right, yeah. So they wash out. Yeah. As you know at the bottom operating margin they're pretty close. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks for that. Yeah. You know, just to further that one other, just one other comment, I don't think you're ever going to see the gross margins kind of.
Speaker 3: equal up. It's just not good. They're fundamentally different businesses.
Speaker 3: and it's just a different structure. So I think it's really important to look at that top line and up income. That's your true measure.
Speaker 9: Understood. And then this last one, how big is this refrigerated display for the R290? How big is that opportunity that you're looking at right now?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it still fits within the whole portable refrigerated display market. It's just that we think that, you know, it is.
Speaker 3: it's a leading edge, if you will, technology and you know it could create a lot of opportunity for us to take additional share. The market's bigger than we, you know, by a magnitude bigger than we serve. And the mobile refrigerated display market continues to grow.
Speaker 3: You know, our thing is always about we have to earn every project we take and once we get that, we get a tremendous amount of customer loyalty.
Speaker 3: do, you know, we hold it in very high regard to make sure we hold on to that. The stickiness we have with our customers is demonstrated, you know, through our continued performance and our customer list, but we have to go out and...
Speaker 3: The market is much bigger than us right now and we need to go out and fight for every new opportunity there is. And once we get those opportunities we do do a pretty good job of holding on to them.
Speaker 3: But, you know, nobody's going to be the...
Speaker 3: The opportunity is not going to be beating down our door. We still need to go out and earn every every dollar
Speaker 9: Thanks for that color and thanks for taking the questions. Good luck.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Samir. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Our next question comes from the line of Rick Freon with Creative Capital Partners. Please distribute your question.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Jim and Jim. Congrats on another fantastic quarter. Nice job back filling on the menu board business. Just a couple questions regarding M&A have already come up. My only question is a little more specific about the acquisition philosophy, Jim.
Speaker 10: mostly regarding your sort of buy versus build considerations, maybe specific to some product extensions like security, or as you get into the new refrigerants right now, this is the success you had with Redimount, the opportunity that R290.
Speaker 10: on the M&A side versus how much growth you think you guys will accomplish organically.
Speaker 3: Well, good morning Rick and thanks for joining the call and thanks for the comments. First of all, if you look at the Fast Forward Plan and you look at our prior plan, our 2025 plan,
Speaker 3: you know, both of those have a component of organic growth and M&A. And, you know, between 2019 and 2020, in the end of this 2023, you know, we led with organic growth and M&A was a piece of that. In our 2028 Fast Forward Plan, we still have organic growth as the...
Speaker 3: majority contributor with M&A as a minority contributor. They're close, but you know, for the sake of discussion and alignment in the business, we want to, you know, the real discipline and the real execution comes around organic growth. And we want to make sure that we're balanced in that. In terms of the make versus buy and that type of thing.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of, you know, very well-organized, well-run equipment manufacturers in the security side. I'm not, we're not interested in acquiring a security equipment manufacturer, but we are interested in being able to deliver value in that market, maybe through our metal fabrication and some of our capabilities access to them.
Speaker 3: Access to market is another one and then you know really we talk about it a lot but our ADAPT group which is our project management group
Speaker 3: just allows us to offer more goods and services to our customer base, which increases our value to that customer.
Speaker 3: So when we look at something like security, we see it as an extension in the goods and services we offer, but we don't necessarily have to make it as much as we have to own the design, the integration, and the installation and delivery of it. Now when you go somewhere else, you know, we'll talk about, you know, I'm just going to use this as an example.
Speaker 3: It's not anything that we actively are engaged with or anything, and it doesn't necessarily reflect anything we're going, but I'll just use as an example. Let's say we were getting into checkout counters or something like that. That would probably be closer to a make.
Speaker 3: equation because, you know, in that segment we do a lot, we already do a lot of the things that are required for making checkout counters. We already have a lot of the technology and the capabilities and we source similar materials and things like that. So that might be more of a...
Speaker 3: hey look at this acquisition can get us a start but we can add a lot of value because of our already strong internal capabilities. So that's kind of how we look at it make versus buy and it changes depending on what that M&A target might be.
Speaker 10: That's great color, Jim. Thanks. It just kind of raised a question in my mind when you talk about other extensions like checkout counters. I think of...
Speaker 10: Security is kind of, there's sort of two benefits, right, with, you know, getting into that business is, you know, you, you've certainly your background, your experience, but you know, you're selling a, you know, presumably a little bit of a higher margin product, but then you have the recurring revenue stream, which with it.
Speaker 10: you're correct me if I'm wrong, but might be sort of that recurring communication with customers, you know, leading to other opportunities down the road, but is there a recurring revenue component to check out counters or is that sort of fall into the sort of like refrigerant category where, you know, you'd be obviously able to do some service and stuff like that, but not really.
Speaker 3: or fixed fall more in kind of the refrigerated and non-refrigerated display type of market, right? There might be some service to it, but there's really not any recurring revenue. However, you look at the security market, you know, and our initial view on that is a strong lean towards surveillance. Bye.
Speaker 3: when you look at intrusion and hold up and things like that, there is a well-established recurring revenue model associated with that. And it's not, listen, there's no way we're going to go from zero to meaningful contribution in the security market, you know, in the next six months or something. But on a longer-term basis, recurring revenue is something that we want to
Speaker 3: We want to continue to put a focus on not only, you know, for the business and the income stream and the convenience of the customer, but from a commercial standpoint, it tends to create stickiness and a kind of a closer proximity to the customer. You're in contact with them more often. You're seeing things that are happening within their business.
Speaker 3: and you're able to act as a good partner and many times offer a solution or assistance. And so we are very focused on expanding our recurring revenue model. The digital menu boards are a good example of it. It's a good start.
Speaker 3: And you know we continue to look for ways that we can make that happen, but no matter what happens there it's not going to be something that happens overnight, and it's not going to be you know a you know a triple digit contributor to revenue or income you know quickly. We're going to have to it's going to be pick and shovel work, but we're in the process.
Speaker 10: Thanks for all the great work. Good luck this quarter. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: If there are no further questions in the queue, I'd like to hand the call back to management for closing comments. If you have any questions, please post them in the comments section below.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to say thank you again for all those who take the time to get on the call or follow us after. You know, our story has consistently been about execution and, you know, what I always refer to as a high say-do ratio. Our plan, our fast-forward plan that extends out to 2028 is published on our website.
Speaker 3: It's there and available for investors, but it's also there and available for our suppliers, our employees, our partners, and our customers.
Speaker 3: And I think it's just a document that tells you, that shows you the roadmap and what we're planning to do. And it just remains consistent and connected with our philosophy around execution and a high say-do ratio.
Speaker 3: With that, I would just say thank you for the continued following of LSI investment and consideration and we'll look forward to talking to you on the next quarter.
Speaker 3: following of LSI investment and consideration and we'll look forward to talking to you on the next quarter. Take care.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And have a wonderful day.