Q3 2023 MRC Global Inc Earnings Call
Speaker 1: Greetings and welcome to MRC Global's third quarter, 2023, earnings conference call. At this time, all purchase events are in a listen-only mode.
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It is now my pleasure to introduce Monika Broughton, Vice President Investor Relations and Treasury.
Speaker 1: Now my pleasure to introduce Monica Broad, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Thank you and good morning. Welcome to the MRC Global Third Quarter 2023, earnings conference call and webcast. We appreciate you joining us. On the call today, we have Rob Salteel, President and CEO , and Kelly Young's lead executive vice president and CFO .
And good morning, welcome to the MRC Global third quarter 2023 earnings conference call and webcast. We appreciate you joining us on the call today, we have Rob <unk>, President and CEO, and Kelly Youngblood Executive Vice President and CFO.
Speaker 2: There will be a replay of today's call available by Webcast on our website, mrcglobal.com, as well as my phone until November 22, 2023. The dial in information is in yesterday's release.
There will be a replay of today's call available by webcast on our website MRC global dot com as well as by phone until November 22023, the dial in information is in yesterday's release we.
Speaker 2: We expect to file our quarterly report on Form 10Q later today, and it will also be available on our website.
We expect to file our quarterly report on Form 10-Q later today and it will also be available on our website.
Speaker 2: Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today, November 8, 2023, and therefore, you were advised that information may no longer be accurate as of the time of replay.
Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today November eight 2023, and therefore, you were advised that information may no longer be accurate as at the time of replay.
In our call today, we will discuss various non-GAAP measures you are encouraged to read our earnings release and securities filings to learn more about our use of these non-GAAP measures and a reconciliation of these measures to the related GAAP items, all of which can be found on our website.
Speaker 2: And our call today, we will discuss various non- GAAP measures . You are encouraged to read our earnings release and securities filings to learn more about our use of these non- GAAP measures and to see a reconciliation of these measures to the related gap items, all of which can be found on our website.
Speaker 2: and let's specifically state otherwise references in this call to Ibadah refer to the adjusted Ibadah.
Unless we specifically state otherwise references in this call to EBITDA refer to adjusted EBITDA. In addition, the comments made by the management of MRC Global during this call may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the United States Federal Securities laws.
Speaker 2: In addition, the comments made by the management of MRC Global during this call may contain forward-looking statements within the meeting of the United States Federal Security's law.
Speaker 2: These four-looking statements reflect the current views of the management of MRC Global. However, actual results could differ materially from those expressed today.
These forward looking statements reflect the current views of the management of MRC Global However.
Actual results could differ materially from those expressed today you are encouraged to read the company's SEC filings for a more in depth review of the risk factors concerning these forward looking statements and now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO Mr. Rob thoughts yeah. Thank you Monica good morning, and welcome to everyone. Joining today's call I will begin.
Speaker 3: You are encouraged to read the company's SEC filings for a more in-depth review of the risk factors concerning these poor looking statements. And now I'd like to have a call over to our CEO , Mr. Rob Faltiel. Thank you, Monica. Good morning, and welcome to everyone joining today's call.
Speaker 3: I will begin with a high level overview of our third quarter results and sector performance and then provide some preliminary thoughts about 2024.
With a high level overview of our third quarter results in sector performance and then provide some preliminary thoughts about 2024, Kelly will provide a detailed review of the third quarter financial results before I end, our prepared remarks with a brief recap we continue to execute well for our customers in the third quarter. Despite the fact that our rate of top line grew.
Speaker 3: Kelly will provide a detailed review of the third quarter financial results before I end our prepared remarks with a brief recap.
Speaker 3: We continued to execute well for our customers in the third quarter, despite the fact that our rate of top-blown growth slowed a bit. Revenue for the third quarter was $888 million, up 2% sequentially over the second quarter.
<unk> slowed a bit revenue for the third quarter was 888 million up 2% sequentially over the second quarter, we generated 70 million of adjusted EBITDA up 11% sequentially, resulting in an EBITDA margin of seven 9%. This marked the sixth consecutive quarter for our EBITDA margin to exceed.
Speaker 3: We generated 70 million of adjusted EBITDA up 11% sequentially, resulting in an EBITDA margin of 7.9%.
Speaker 3: This marked the 6 consecutive quarter for our EBITDA margin to exceed 7% as well as our 6 consecutive quarter for adjusted growth profit margin to exceed 21%.
7% as well as our sixth consecutive quarter for adjusted gross profit margin to exceed 21%. We also realized $102 million of cash flow from operations in the quarter, bringing our year to date cash flow to 92 million exceeding our guidance for the full year. The strong cash flow result was achieved through excellent work.
Speaker 3: We also realized 102 million of cash flow from operations in the quarter, bringing our year-to-date cash flow to 92 million, exceeding our guidance for the full year. The strong cash flow result with a G through excellent work by our supply chain and operations themes in managing our inventory levels, and our finance team in managing our working capital components effectively.
Our supply chain and operations teams in managing our inventory levels and our finance team in managing our working capital components effectively.
Speaker 3: Casulo generation across the business cycle, even in growth periods when more working capital is required, is imperative for our company and our shareholders, and we are pleased with this result.
Cash flow generation across the business cycle, even in growth periods. When more working capital is required is imperative for our company and our shareholders and we are pleased with this result.
Turning now to our sectors, our diet sector experienced a strong 14% sequential growth in the third quarter that would've been even higher had not some of our larger orders for chemical and refining customers slipped into the fourth quarter due to project delays. We also made two significant announcements involving our diet sector since our last earnings call.
Speaker 3: Turning that to our sectors, our diet sector experienced a strong 14% sequential growth in the third quarter that would have been even higher had not some of our larger orders for chemical and refining customers flipped into the fourth quarter due to project delay.
Speaker 3: We also made two significant announcements involving our diet sector since our last earnings call.
Speaker 3: The first was the five-year extension of our Enterprise Frame Agreement with our longtime customer Shell. Much of our future activity with Shell is expected to involve energy transition and chemical projects with a large international component.
The first was the five year extension of our enterprise frame agreement with our longtime customer shell much of our future activity with shell is expected to involve energy transition and chemical projects with a large international component. We also announced our role as a major supplier about to frames biofuel project in Sweden.
Speaker 3: We also announced our role as a major supplier of valves to Prem's Biofuel Project in Sweden. Further demonstrating the opportunities that our energy transition business brings, as well as the benefits of our global footprint.
Further demonstrating the opportunities that are in energy transition business brings as well as the benefits of our global footprint.
Speaker 3: PTI revenue declined by 3% in the third quarter sequentially, as we experienced a general drop in North American oil field activity. We continue to perform well in our biggest PTI region, the Permian Basin, as the large publicly traded customers there continue to provide us steady work.
T I revenue declined by 3% in the third quarter sequentially as we experienced a general drop in North American oilfield activity, we continued to perform well and our biggest P. T I region. The Permian basin as the large publicly traded customers. There continue to provide us steady work, we believe that recent announcements.
Speaker 3: We believe that recent announcements of acquisitions of major producers in the Permian Basin and rock
The acquisitions of major producers in the Permian Basin, and Rockies have the potential to be beneficial to MRC global once completed we work more extensively with the acquirers today than we do the targets and we are built for customers who value high quality longer life products that new purchase consistently through there.
Speaker 3: have the potential to be beneficial to MRSKY Global once completed.
Speaker 3: We work more extensively with the acquirers today than we do the targets. And we are built for customers who value high quality, longer life products and who purchase consistently through the enterprise agreement.
Enterprise agreements.
In contrast to the exciting growth in the Permian basin, our customers operating in the California oilfields have faced a difficult regulatory environment that is inhibited in investment and production growth decreased activity in California contributed to our lower P. T I revenue in the third quarter.
Speaker 3: In contrast to the exciting growth in the Permian Basin, our customers operating in the California oil field have faced a difficult regulatory environment that has inhibited investment and production growth. Decreased activity in California contributed to our lower PTI revenue in the third quarter.
Speaker 3: In our gas utility sector, we also experienced a slight sequential revenue decline. As we discussed on our last call, the normalization of product supply chains has led our customers to focus on de-stocking their own inventories as a near-term priority. We expect this de-stocking to continue for one or two quarters longer. In addition, higher interest rates have raised the bar for new projects, while higher labor and construction costs have reduced the share of CapEx that is available for product purchase.
And our gas utility sector. We also experienced a slight sequential revenue decline as we discussed on our last call. The normalization of product supply chain has led our customers to focus on destocking their own inventories as a near term priority. We expect this destocking to continue for one or two quarters longer in <unk>.
Asian higher interest rates or raise the bar for new projects, while higher labor and construction costs have reduced the share of Capex that is available for product purchases. It is noteworthy that most of our various product lines sales. This year within the gas utility sector are in line or higher than last year with the exception of mine pipe.
Speaker 3: It is noteworthy that most of our various product line sales this year within the gas utility sector are in line or higher than last year, with the exception of line pipe. In this product group, we have experienced significant deflation over the past year and increasing competition, leading to approximately 20% lower line pipe revenue this year in our gas utility sector.
In this product group, we have experienced significant deflation over the past year and increasing competition, leading to approximately 20% lower line pipe references revenue this year in our gas utility sector in particular, some of our major customers have significantly reduced spending in the line pipe product group, but we expect these.
Speaker 3: In particular, some of our major customers have significantly reduced spending in the line-pipe product group, but we expect these customers to return to previous spending levels as we move through next year. Additionally, we have avoided chasing low margin sales with our line-pipe inventory, which has allowed us to preserve an adjusted gross profit percentage in excess of 21%. But at the cost of a lower-top line.
Customers to return to previous spending levels as we move through next year. Additionally, we have avoided chasing low margin sales with our line pipe inventory, which has allowed us to preserve and adjusted gross profit percentage in excess of 21%, but at the cost of a lower top line. The good news is we expect that line pipe.
Speaker 3: The good news is we expect that line pipe prices have likely bottomed, so this headwind should diminish over the next year.
You have likely bottomed. So this headwind should headwind should diminish over the next year.
Speaker 3: Despite the temporary pause in the growth of our gas utility sector, the fundamentals of this business remain very strong. We maintain a leading market position, and we have served many of our customers for more than a decade. We are integral supply chain partners for these utilities, and we have been entrusted with responsibilities previously under the purview of the utility that would in many cases require significant cost and effort to migrate back in-house.
Despite the temporary pause in the growth of our gas utility sector. The fundamentals of this business remain very strong we maintain a leading market position and we observed many of our customers for more than a decade. We are integral supply chain partners for these utilities and we've been entrusted with the responsibilities previously under the purview of the utility.
That would in many cases require a significant cost and effort to migrate migrate back in house. These utilities have recognized that MRC global's ability to purchase at scale and to provide value added services provide significant cost savings and a better quality supply chain result. Additionally, this sir.
Speaker 3: These utilities have recognized that MRC Global's ability to purchase at scale and to provide value-added services provides significant cost savings and a better quality supply chain result. Additionally, this sector has historically been less susceptible to a major slowdown due to its reduced dependency on energy demand and commodity prices.
Sector has historically been less susceptible to a major slow down due to its reduced dependency on energy demand and commodity prices.
Speaker 3: Kelly will provide more detail in his section about our outlook for the fourth quarter, but a big positive that I want to mention is that we now expect to generate approximately $110 million in cash from operations this year, exceeding our previous guidance of $90
Kelly will provide more detail in his section about our outlook for the fourth quarter, but a big positive that I want to mention is that we now expect to generate approximately 110 million in cash from operations. This year exceeding our previous guidance of 90 million.
Speaker 3: Looking ahead to 2024, we are not quite ready to provide specific revenue guidance as many of our customers are still determining their capital budgets for next year. However, I will offer some perspectives on the key drivers. We expect that the PTI sector will benefit from generally high oil prices supported by OPEC plus and increased capital spending by producers in North America and international markets.
Looking ahead to 'twenty 'twenty four we are not quite ready to provide specific revenue guidance as many of our customers are still determining their capital budgets for next year. However, I will offer some perspectives on the key drivers we expect that the P. T I sector will benefit from generally high oil prices supported by OPEC plus.
And can and increased capital spending by producers in North America, and international markets, We expect our gas utilities customers to grow capital spending at a more muted pace with the majority of their activity concentrated in the second half of the year when the bulk of the Destocking is concluded we expect the diet sector.
Speaker 3: We expect our gas utilities customers to grow capital spending at a more muted pace, with the majority of their activity concentrated in the second half of the year, when the bulk of the destocking is concluded. We expect the diet sector to benefit from robust refinery and chemical plant maintenance activities, supplemented by a strong and growing slate of projects.
<unk> to benefit from robust refinery and chemical plant maintenance activities supplemented by a strong and growing slate of projects in summary, we remain optimistic about the underlying fundamentals of all three sectors and their longer term outlook I will now hand, it over to Kelly.
Speaker 3: In summary, we remain optimistic about the underlying fundamentals of all three sectors and their longer-term outlook.
Speaker 4: Thanks, Rob, and good morning, everyone. My comments today will primarily be focused on sequential results, comparing the third quarter of 2023 to the second quarter of 2023, unless otherwise stated.
Thanks, Rob and good morning, everyone. My comments today will primarily be focused on sequential results comparing the third quarter of 2023 to the second quarter of 2023, unless otherwise stated.
Speaker 4: Total company sales for the third quarter were $888 billion, a 2% sequential improvement.
Total company sales for the third quarter were 888, billion% to 2% sequential improvement.
Speaker 4: From a sector perspective, gas utility sales were $314 million in the third quarter, a $9 million or 3% decrease due to the reasons Rob mentioned earlier.
From a sector perspective gas utility sales were $314 million in the third quarter, a $9 million or 3% decrease due to the reasons Bob mentioned earlier.
Sector third quarter revenue was $279 million, an increase of $34 million or 14%, primarily due to increased turnaround project activity.
Speaker 4: The diet sector third-quarter revenue was $279 million, an increase of $34 million, or 14 percent, primarily due to increased turnaround project activity. But as expected, this sector had a rebound in sales compared to the second quarter, but some deliveries that were originally expected in the third quarter slipped into the fourth quarter.
As expected this sector has rebounded.
Quarter, but some deliveries that were originally expected in the third quarter slipped into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: As we have mentioned before, this sector has a significant amount of project activity which can create substantial variability between quarters.
As we've mentioned before this sector has a significant amount of project activity, which can create substantial variability between quarters.
Speaker 4: The PTI sector revenue for the third quarter was $295 million, a decrease of $8 million or 3% sequentially, primarily due to the timing of shipments and project activities.
The P T I sector revenue for the third quarter was $295 million, a decrease of $8 million or 3% sequentially, primarily due to the timing of shipments in project activity.
Compared to the third quarter of 2022, PCR sales are up 10% and backlog is up 12% driven by growth in the international segment.
Speaker 4: Compared to the third quarter of 2022, TTI sales are up 10% and backlog is up 12%, driven by growth in the international segment.
From a geographic segment perspective U S revenue was $745 million in the third quarter and 18 million for a 2% increase from the previous quarter, driven by the diet sector, which was up $31 million or 17%.
Speaker 4: From a geographic segment perspective, U.S. revenue was $745 million in the third quarter, an $18 million or a 2% increase from the previous quarter, driven by the diet sector, which was up $31 million or 17%, partially offset by declines in our gas utilities and PTI sectors, which were down $10 million and $3 million respectively.
Partially offset by declines in our gas utilities and P. T I sectors, which were down $10 million and 3 million respectively.
Speaker 4: Canada revenue was $38 million in the third quarter, flat compared to the prior quarter.
Canada revenue was $38 million in the third quarter flat compared to the prior quarter.
Speaker 4: International revenue was $105 million in the third quarter, down $1 million, or 1%, essentially flat. We remain very optimistic about the outlook for our international segment, which has experienced a 35% increase in backlog since the beginning of the year, with double-digit growth in both the PTI and diet sectors.
International revenue was $105 million in the third quarter down $1 million or 1% essentially flat we remain very optimistic about the outlook for our international segment, which has experienced a 35% increase in backlog since the beginning of the year with double digit growth in both the P. T I N diet sectors.
Now turning to margins.
Speaker 4: Adjusted gross profit for the third quarter was $189,000,000 or 21.3%, a 20 basis point decline from the second quarter. Although we have experienced deflation in our line pipe business this year, along with inflation stabilization across most other product lines,
Adjusted gross profit for the third quarter was $189 million or 21, 3%, a 20 basis point decline from the second quarter.
Though we have experienced deflation in our line pipe business. This year, along with inflation stabilization across most other product lines. We have been successful maintaining adjusted gross margins in excess of 21% of sales due to a higher margin product mix improved contract terms and a higher contribution contribution of revenue.
Speaker 4: We have been successful maintaining adjusted gross margins in excess of 21% of sales due to a higher margin product mix, improved contract terms, and a higher contribution of revenue from our international segment, which is accretive to overall company gross margins.
From our international segment, which is accretive to overall company gross margins.
Speaker 4: This makes the sixth consecutive quarter with adjusted gross margins exceeding 21 percent.
This makes the sixth consecutive quarter with adjusted gross margins exceeding 21%.
Speaker 4: Reported SG&A for the third quarter was $126 million or 14.2% of sales as compared to $130 million or 14.9% for the second quarter.
Reported SG&A for the third quarter was $126 million or 14, 2% of sales as compared to $130 million or 14, 9% for the second quarter.
Speaker 4: This quarter includes $3 million of pre-tax charges related to a customer settlement in our U.S. segment offset by a $4 million favorable adjustment for insurance.
This quarter includes 3 million of pretax charges related to a customer settlement in our U S segment offset by $4 million favorable adjustment for insurance.
Speaker 4: Due to the non-recurring nature of the customer settlement expense, we have excluded it from our SG&A expense this quarter to arrive at a net adjusted SG&A expense for the third quarter of $123 million.
Due to the nonrecurring nature of the customer settlement expense, we have excluded it from our SG&A expense this quarter to arrive at a net adjusted SG&A expense for the third quarter of $123 million.
Speaker 4: Adjusted EBIT offered the third quarter with 70 million or 7.9% of sales, a 70 basis point improvement from the second quarter.
Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $70 million or seven 9% of sales a 70 basis point improvement from the second quarter.
This makes the sixth consecutive consecutive quarter with adjusted EBITDA margins exceeding 7% significantly stronger than our historic results.
Speaker 4: This makes the sixth consecutive quarter with adjusted EBITDA margins exceeding 7% significantly stronger than our historic results.
Tax expense in the third quarter was $14 million with an effective tax rate of 29% as compared to 2 million of expense in the second quarter.
Speaker 4: Tax expense in the third quarter was $14 million, with an effective tax rate of 29% as compared to $10 million of expense in the second quarter.
Speaker 4: The difference in the effective rate and the statutory rate is due to state income taxes, non-deductible expenses, and differing foreign income taxes.
The difference in the effective rate and the statutory rate is due to state income taxes, nondeductible expenses and deferring foreign income tax rates.
Speaker 4: For the third quarter, we have net income attributable to common stockholders of $29,000,000 or $0.33 per diluted share, and our adjusted net income attributable to common shareholders on an average cost basis normalizing for LIFO adjustments and other items was $28,000,000 or $0.32 per diluted share.
For the third quarter, we had net income attributable to common stockholders of 29 million or <unk> 33 per diluted share.
Adjusted net income attributable to common shareholders on an average cost basis normalizing for LIFO adjustments and other items was $28 million or <unk> 32 cents per diluted share.
Speaker 4: In the third quarter, we generated 102 million in cash from operations in a net 92 million year today.
In the third quarter, we generated $102 million in cash from operations and a net $92 million year to date.
Speaker 4: As Rob noted, the performance this quarter allowed us to achieve our full-year cash flow target a quarter early due to strong working capital efficiency.
As Rob noted the performance this quarter allowed us to achieve our full year cash flow target a quarter early due to strong working capital efficiencies.
Speaker 4: We expect to generate additional cash flow from operations in the fourth quarter, enabling a full-year cash from operations of approximately $110 million.
We expect to generate additional cash flow from operations in the fourth quarter, enabling a full year cash from operations of approximately $110 million.
Speaker 4: This is an increase over the 90 million target we mentioned last.
This is an increase over the $90 million target, we mentioned last quarter.
Turning to liquidity and capital structure.
Speaker 4: Turning to liquidity and capital structure, our current availability on the ABL is $696 million, and including cash, our total liquidity is $748 million.
Current availability on the ABL, the $696 million, including cash our total liquidity of $748 million.
Speaker 4: Our leverage ratio, based on net debt of $251 million, was 0.9 times, dropping below the one-times hurdle a quarter earlier than expected.
Leverage ratio based on net debt of $251 million was 0.9 times dropping below the one times hurdle a quarter earlier than expected with.
Speaker 4: With the cash we expect to generate in the coming year, we believe liquidity and the leverage ratio will continue to show improvement.
With the cash we expect to generate in the coming year, we believe liquidity and the leverage ratio will continue to show improvement.
And if we do not refinance our term loan b that matures in September of 2024.
Speaker 4: And if we do not refinance our Term Loan B that matures in September of 2024...
We expect to have plenty of capacity under our ABL to us if needed to address payment of the balance before maturity.
Speaker 4: We expect to have plenty of capacity under our ABL to use, if needed, to address payment of the balance before maturity.
Speaker 4: As noted in our earnings call last quarter, given our ability to repay the term loan using the ABL with no impact to current assets, we have continued to classify the term loan as long-term debt, despite the term loan technically maturing within one year. This designation on the balance sheet will continue throughout 2024 as long as the existing term loan remains outstanding.
As noted in our earnings call last quarter, given our ability to repay the term loan using the ABL with no impact to current assets. We have continued to classify the term loan as long term debt. Despite the term loan technically maturing within one year. This designation on the balance sheet will continue throughout 2020 for as long as the existing term.
Loan remains outstanding.
Turning now to the fourth quarter. We currently expect a seasonal sequential revenue decline of 5% to 10% and this year could be at the higher end of the range due to the factors already discussed related to the gas utility sector.
Speaker 4: Turning now to the fourth quarter, we currently expect a seasonal sequential revenue decline of 5 to 10 percent, and this year could be at the higher end of the range due to the factors already discussed related to the gas utility sector.
Speaker 4: For the full year, our international segment is expected to approach a mid-teens percentage level of growth followed by our U.S. segment with a low single-digit increase in Canada with an upper single-digit decline.
For the full year, our international segment is expected to approach a mid teens percentage level of growth followed by our U S segment with a low single digit increase in Canada with an upper single digit decline.
Speaker 4: From a sector perspective, we expect our highest full-year growth percentages to be in the PTI and diet sectors with upper single-digit percentage growth.
From a sector perspective, we expect our highest full year growth percentages to be in the P. T I and diet sectors with upper single digit percentage growth in <unk>.
Speaker 4: And gas utilities, as explained earlier, is experiencing near-term headwinds and as a result is expected to have a mid-single-digit decline for the full year. Also for the full year, we expect to maintain adjusted gross margins in the 21 percent range and adjusted EBITDA margin in excess of 7 percent.
Gas utilities as explained earlier is experienced some near term headwinds and as a result is expected to have a mid single digit decline for the full year.
So for the full year, we expect to maintain adjusted gross margins in the 21% range and adjusted EBITDA margin in excess of 7%.
We intend to provide we intend to provide 2024 guidance for our fourth quarter call and with that I would like to turn it back to Rob for closing comments. Thanks Kelly.
Speaker 3: We intend to provide 2024 guidance for our fourth quarter fall. And with that, I would like to turn it back to Rob for closing comments. Thanks, Kelly. These are some of the key highlights I want to summarize before opening for Q&A. Cashflow generation remains a top priority across the business cycle. We generated 102 million of cash from operations in the third quarter, even as we grew our revenue sequentially. We now expect to exceed our prior guidance of 90 million for full year 2023.
Or some of the key highlights I want to summarize before opening for Q&A cash flow generation remains a top priority across the business cycle, we generated $102 million of cash from operations in the third quarter, even as we grew our revenue sequentially. We now expect to exceed our prior guidance of $90 million for full year 2023, we.
Speaker 3: We expect adjusted gross profit to remain in the 21% range and adjusted EBITDA margins to be an excess of 7% for the full year 2023.
Expect adjusted gross profit to remain in the 21% range and adjusted EBITDA margins to be in excess of 7% for the full year 2023, our diversification strategy is paying off with each of our three sectors, providing approximately a third of our revenues with largely uncorrelated business drivers we.
Speaker 3: Our diversification strategy is paying off with each of our three sectors providing approximately a third of our revenues with largely uncorrelated business drivers. We anticipate positive drivers for our PTI and DIBE sectors in 2024 that should compensate for any first-half potential weakness in gas utilities.
We anticipate positive drivers for our P. T. I N died sectors in 'twenty 'twenty four it should compensate for any first half potential weakness in gas utilities and.
Speaker 3: And lastly, before we open up the call for Q&A, I do want to acknowledge that there have been articles in the media relating to an activist investor in our stock. As I'm sure you can appreciate, we don't discuss the specifics of our interactions with any of our existing or potential shareholders, and we won't be able to comment on this situation. As such, we ask that you keep your questions in the Q&A session focused on our quarterly results. And with that, we will now take your questions. Operator?
And lastly, before we open up the call for Q&A I do want to acknowledge that there have been articles in the media relating to an activist investor in our stock as I'm sure. You can appreciate we don't discuss the specifics of our interactions with any of our existing or potential shareholders and we won't be able to comment on this situation as such.
We ask that you keep your questions in the Q&A session focused on our quarterly results and with that we will now take your questions operator.
Yeah.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session.
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Our first question comes from the line of Tommy Moll with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions.
Hey, good morning Tommy.
I wanted to start on gas utilities, it's a it's a two part question just to follow up on some of the things you laid out Rob.
Speaker 5: I wanted to start on gas utilities. It's a two-part question just to follow up on some of the things you laid out, Rob. First, on the destocking, anything you could point to that gives you visibility on the timing of that cycle. And then maybe a newer topic to hit on today, you called out interest rates and inflation as impacting the rate of customer spend and the real underlying demand.
First on the Destocking.
Any anything you could point to that gives you visibility on the timing of that cycle and then maybe a newer topic to hit on today, you called out interest rates and inflation is impacting the rate of customer spend and the real underlying demand.
Speaker 5: How much visibility do you have there and could those factors get worse before they get better?
How much visibility do you have there and and could those factors get worse before they get better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Tommy. As far as the destocking is concerned, you know, our team maintains a regular dialogue with all of our significant customers to really understand what their plans are for the remainder of this year and into next year. And as we talked about on the last call, it's very clear that a lot of our major customers really are reducing their inventory levels, having kind of seen the normalization of the supply chains.
Yeah. Thanks Tommy.
As far as the Destocking is concerned you know our team maintains a regular dialogue with our.
All of our significant customers to really understand what their plans are for the remainder of this year and into next year and as we talked about on the last call. It's very clear that a lot of our major customers really are reducing their their inventory levels, having having kind of seen the normalization of the supply chain.
And realized that they were holding too much inventory in too many different piles and some of that inventory that were holding they're not pulling on as much as they would because they've got some of their own inventory to work themselves through.
Speaker 3: and realized that they were holding too much inventory and too many different piles. And some of that inventory that we're holding, they're not pulling on as much as they would because they've got some of their own inventory to work themselves through.
Speaker 3: As we've said on a number of occasions, we think that this is a
As we've said on a number of occasions, we think that this is a shorter term phenomenon probably a.
Speaker 3: shorter term phenomenon, probably a two quarter or so phenomenon.
Two quarter or so phenomenon.
Speaker 3: And as we continue to have dialogue with customers they yet
And as we continue to have dialogue with customers. They are are they they seem to reaffirm that but we want to be clear that this this is somewhat fluid and development. Because you know we really haven't seen this for a while.
Speaker 3: They seem to reaffirm that, but we want to be clear that, you know, this is somewhat fluid in development because, you know, we really haven't seen this for a while.
Speaker 3: And obviously as we move ourselves into 2024, we'll be able to check it in more detail.
And obviously as we move ourselves into 'twenty 'twenty, four we will be able to check it in more detail, but again, if you look at the fundamentals of our business, there's tremendous amount of infrastructure out there that still needs to be replaced updated modernized.
Speaker 3: But again, if you look at the fundamentals of our business, there's a tremendous amount of infrastructure out there that still needs to be replaced, updated, modernized. The quote is basically that about a third of the gas utility...
The quote is basically did about a third of the the.
Gas utility.
Speaker 3: lines out there are over 40 years old, and so there's tremendous modernization that needs to take place. We also have obviously a lot of demand for upgrading meters and some of those projects have been delayed, but we know that those projects are gonna go through. And then we also mentioned in the paired comments that some of the decline that we're seeing in the...
Lines out there are over 40 years old and so theres tremendous modernization that needs to take place. We also have obviously a lot of demand for upgrading meters and some of those projects have been delayed but we know that those projects are going to go through and then we also mentioned in the in the prepared comments that some of them.
The decline that we're seeing in the.
Gas utility space has really been around a a curtailment of line pipe purchases. So that's actually been a concentrated amongst some of our bigger customers and that's been something that that we think is going to be a transient effect. We've seen line pipe pricing bottom and we expect to see more normal <unk>.
Speaker 3: Gassy Tilly Space has really been around a curtailment of line pipe purchases. So that's actually been concentrated amongst some of our bigger customers. And that's been something that we think is gonna be a transient effect. We've seen line pipe pricing bottom and we expect that we'll see more normal purchases of line pipe as we move through next year.
Is the line pipe as we move through next year and then finally I do want to say a couple of things around our gaining of market share. We've added new customers. We've got more customers in the pipeline that we think we can add to our business as we move into 'twenty four and when we look at budgets, even though budgets haven't really been announced across the board yet are the ones that are announcing.
Speaker 3: And then finally, I do want to say a couple things around our gaining a market share. We've added new customers. We've got more customers in the pipeline that we think we can add to our business as we move into 24.
Speaker 3: And when we look at budgets, even though budgets haven't really been announced across the board yet, the ones that are announcing seem to be increasing their budgets for next year. And ultimately, even with the destocking, we think that we're going to start to see a pick-up next year in our revenues as these effects I've talked about, you know, kind of work themselves through.
Seem to be increasing their budgets for next year and and ultimately even with the Destocking. We think that you know we're going to start to see a pickup next year in our in our revenues are as as these these effects I've talked about you know kind of work themselves through.
Speaker 3: So, you know, destocking is a big part of it, but as you said in the second part of your question, you know, interest rates and inflation, all these things sort of eat into product purchases.
You know Destocking is a big part of it but as you said in the second part of your question you know interest rates inflation all of these things sort of eat into project product purchases and in the discussions we've had with customers they've indicated that yes. The destocking is a big part of it but you know they've got fixed capex budgets, and then with the cost of construction going up with the.
Speaker 3: and in the discussions we've had with customers they've indicated that yes the destockings a big part of it but you know they've got fixed cap ex budgets and then with the cost of construction going up with the challenges of clearing hurdle rates for projects all these things sort of work you know to challenge the environment
The challenges of clearing hurdle rates for projects all of these things sort of work you know to challenge the environment. We think that these are.
Speaker 3: We think that these factors are nearing a bottom or certainly are not going to get worse as we go past this force.
These factors are nearing a bottom or certainly are not going to get worse.
As we go past this force fourth quarter into next year, but I think we're really going to have to kind of see how that develops and and again. We are we're more bullish on the second half of next year than we are in the first half as it relates to gas utilities and our you know, we'll we'll we'll see how all of this develops.
Speaker 3: fourth quarter in the next year. But I think we're really gonna have to kind of see how that develops.
Speaker 3: And again, we're more bullish on the second half of next year than we are on the first half as it relates to gas utilities and you know, we'll see how it is developed.
Rob the to pivot for a follow up on P. T I the rig count here in North America, obviously dropped pretty quickly over the last quarter, where we're also now getting close to budgeting season for your customers for next year do you have any visibility at this point too.
Speaker 5: Rob the tip of it for a follow up on PTI. The rig count here in North America obviously dropped pretty quickly over the last quarter. We're also now getting close to budgeting season for your customers for next year. Do you have any visibility at this point to that rig count having bottomed or any visibility to customers potentially picking up rigs anytime soon?
That rig count, having bottomed or any visibility to customers potentially picking up rigs anytime soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we read all the typical industry outlooks as everybody else. And we talked to our customers as well. And...
Yeah, I mean, we are we read all the typical industry outlooks as everybody else and we talk to our customers as well and we certainly have the view that the rig count bottomed in the third quarter, we've seen it pick up three out of the last four weeks, we think it's going to pick up as we move into 'twenty.
Speaker 3: We certainly have the view that the recount is bottomed in the third quarter. We've seen it pick up throughout the last four weeks. We think it's going to pick up as we move into 2024. Obviously, we need to see the budgets actually crystallized from the individual producers. And obviously we're much more heavily levered to the publicly traded larger companies. And again, with a big focus on the Permian Basin.
24, obviously, you know we need to see the budgets actually crystallized from the individual producers and obviously, where we're much more heavily levered to the public publicly traded larger companies and again with a big focus on the Permian basin, but previously people to talk about our capex spending being.
Speaker 3: but previously people talked about uh... cap expanding being up kind of mid-single did you did for north america we don't have any reason to believe that that's changed and again
Kind of mid single digit for North America, We don't have any reason to believe that that's changed and again you know the trend should be in our our friendly direction, believing that it's bottomed in the third quarter picking up in the fourth quarter and keep in mind, our business, which is really you know removed from our drilling it's really on the production.
Speaker 3: You know, the trend should be in our friendly direction, believing that it's bottomed in the third quarter, picking up in the fourth quarter, and keep in mind our business, which is really...
Speaker 5: you know, removed from drilling. It's really on the production post completion side. There's typically a one to two quarter delay between seeing that rig count pick up and seeing the PTI business grow from there. So that's really our outlook, Tommy, and we'll just have to watch as the budgets get set among these major operators. Thank you, Rob. I'll turn it back. Sure. Thanks, Tommy.
And post completion side Theres typically a one to two quarter delay between seeing that rig count pick up in and see in the Pgi business grow from there. So that's really our outlook Tommy and we'll just have to watch as the budgets get set up among these major operators.
Thank you, Rob I'll turn it back.
Sure. Thanks Tommy.
Our next question comes from the line of Nathan Jones with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning, everyone.
Good morning Nathan.
I'm going to follow up on some of the gas utility south here.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna follow up on something that gas utility stuff here.
Obviously, you've called out de stocking is having a big impact on the business here with a few other things is there any way.
Speaker 6: Obviously, he's called out day stockings, having a big impact on the business here with a few other things. Is there any way that you can quantify what you're doing?
You can quantify what you think.
Speaker 6: Your customers have destructed in terms of inventory this year and will continue to destruct maybe for the next couple of quarters.
Your customers have destocking tons of inventory this year.
And well continue to de stock maybe Kurt you know in the next couple of quarters.
Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, Nathan. I think as a practical matter, it's difficult to break down each of these individual components.
Well, it's a great question, Nathan I think as a practical matter, it's difficult to break down.
Each of these individual components, we think that Destocking is the major component, but as we mentioned before you know the challenge of getting any projects across the line with higher interest rates and the fact that the cost of construction each into a fixed capex budget. All of these things are coming together and keep in mind that.
Speaker 3: We think the destocking is the major component, but as we mentioned before, you know, the challenge of getting any projects across the line with higher interest rates and the fact that the cost of construction eats into a fixed-cap-x budget, all these things are coming together and keep in mind that each individual utility has its own set of circumstances that drive one or more of these factors to have a bigger, smaller role depending on the situation.
Each individual utility has its own set of circumstances that drive our one or more of these factors to have a bigger or smaller roll depending on the situation.
Speaker 3: You know, one of the things that's worth mentioning is that if you look at our top 25 customers through three quarters of this year, 14 of those have actually increased their spending with us and 11 have reduced.
One of the things that's that's worth mentioning is that if you look at our top 25 customers.
Through three quarters of this year 14 of those have actually increased their spending with us and 11 have reduced so each utility is kind of doing its own thing. It turns out that some of our bigger utilities have really pulled back on on the spending and again, that's because they overloaded on inventory relative to.
Speaker 3: So each utility is kind of doing its own thing. It turns out that some of our bigger utilities have really pulled back on the spending. And again, that's because they overloaded on inventory relative to the rest of the group as we were coming out of the pandemic and they were concerned about the availability of product.
The rest of the group as we were coming out of the pandemic and they were concerned about the availability of products. So it really is a bit of a mosaic and its individual utility by utility, but again, what we're talking about here on the call are general trends that we think will persist as we move into 2024.
Speaker 3: So it really is a bit of a mosaic and it's individual utility by utility. But again, what we're talking about here on the call are general trends that we think will persist, you know, as we move into 2024.
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Maybe I could try asking it this way if they wish now to customer Destocking do you think.
Speaker 6: Maybe I could try asking it this way, if there was no custom of day stocking, do you think that the gas utility business would have grown in 23, rather than shrunk?
The gas utility business would have grown in 'twenty three rather than shock.
Yeah, if you look at.
Speaker 3: You know, year to date, we're basically flat in 23 versus 22. We're obviously modeling the week or fourth quarter than what we had last year. And, you know, unequivocally without the destocking, you know, we would, we believe we would be seeing growth in the gas utility space.
Year to date were basically flattened twenty-three versus 'twenty, two we're obviously modeling a weaker fourth quarter than what we had last year and you know unequivocally without the Destocking you know we would we we believe we would be seeing growth in the gas utility space. This is a business that's grown more than 20% two years running.
Speaker 3: This is a business that's grown, you know, more than 20% two years running. Obviously we knew we would come off the boil a little bit on that growth rate, but we certainly didn't see the business being down this year relative to last year. And again, the discussions that we've had with customers indicate that, you know, they got a bit over their skis to be really safe. Again, I've said before, this is a conservative customer set. They provide a public service.
Obviously, we knew we would come off the boil a little bit on that growth rate, but we certainly didn't see the business being down this year relative to last year and again the discussions that we've had with customers indicate that you know they've got a bit over their skis.
To be really safe again, I've said before this is a conservative customer set you know they.
Provide a public service.
Speaker 3: They have to have their products when they need them in order to modernize and update their facilities to make sure that they're safe and reliable. So, it's not really a big surprise that if one sector was going to get over its skis in terms of making sure they had what they needed, it would be the gas utility space.
They have to have their products when they need them in order to.
Modernize and update their their facilities to make sure that they're safe and reliable. So it's not really a big surprise. It if one if one sector was gonna get over its skis in terms of making sure. They have what they need it it would be the gas utility space, that's where we are today without the destocking, we absolutely expect.
Speaker 3: That's where we are today, without the destocking, we absolutely expect the business would have grown this year.
The business would have grown this year.
Yeah, everybody built too much inventory when I didn't know when I could get any Jerry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody built too much inventory when they didn't know when they could get any inventory. Just the last quick one on the meter side of it, I was a bit surprised to hear that they're slowing down the deployment of smart meters. I would have thought that the ROI on that kind of deployment would have been there to maintain that as a higher priority for death utilities. So just any commentary on why you think that's slowing down and I'll pass.
Just a last quick one on the meta side of it.
Surprised to hear that that's slowing down the deployment of smart meters I would've thought that the ROI on that kind of deployment would it be need to maintain that at the highest priority for gas utility, but just any commentary on.
Why do you think that slowing down and I'll pass it on thank you yes.
Some of that is still down to our supply chain challenge is actually on the meters you know and in particular without getting too technical some of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of that is still down to supply chain challenges actually on the meters. You know, and in particular without getting too technical, some of the telecommunications.
Telecommunications capabilities of those smart meters are the folks who manufacture those had been limited in their production and also the meter our industry is fairly concentrated industry. It doesn't have necessarily all of the production volume.
Speaker 3: capabilities of those smart meters. The folks who manufacture those have been limited in their production. And also the meter industry is a fairly concentrated industry. It doesn't have necessarily all of the production volume that meets demand. And so that's also been a factor. But like any projects, you clearly have to focus on safety and reliability even before you focus on let's say how we can make more money. Those projects are going to happen. In some cases we've got inventory of these meters, these smart meters, so that they can be installed over the next few months.
It meets demand and so that's also been a factor, but like any any projects.
You clearly have to focus on safety and reliability, even before you focus on let's say, how we can make more money those projects are going to happen in some cases, we've got inventory of these meters. These smart meters. So that they can be.
Installed over the next few months, but like everything you know the the.
Speaker 7: But like everything, you know, the utilities are having to just take a close look at, you know, what is absolutely critical and then the things that they can defer their movement to the right. But again, on the meter side, there has been some production bottlenecks that have also moved some of those projects into 24 that would have happened in 23.
The utilities are having to just take a close look at you know what is absolutely critical and then the things that they can defer their moving to the right, but again on the meter side. There is there has been some production bottlenecks that have also moved some of those projects into 'twenty for that would've happened in 'twenty three.
Our next question from the line of Chris Dankert with loop capital markets. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker 5: Hey, morning guys. I think I'm taking the question. Morning. I guess given all the de-stocking going on that does suggest you put the carry some lower amount of inventory, kind of an opportunity on the working capital side is given what the capital needs are here. I guess any comments on just cash generation maybe in the shorter term, I know it's difficult without guiding 24, but maybe the next.
Hey morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question.
Good morning, I guess I guess, given all the destocking going on that does suggest you plan to carry some a lower amount of inventory kind of an opportunity on the working capital side, just given what the capital needs are here I guess any comments on.
Just cash generation maybe.
In the shorter term I know, it's difficult without guiding 24, but maybe the next.
Yep.
Speaker 8: Three, six, you know, nine months. How do we think about cast generation or kind of where inventory levels can come down to?
369 months, how do we think about cash generation and kind of where inventory levels can come down too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well thanks for bringing up the silver lining here because
Yeah, well, thanks for thanks for bringing up the silver lining here, because we seem to be focusing on all of the the negatives around destocking and how it's impacting our our revenue on the gas utility side, I mean, clearly as the supply chains have debottleneck and become a more normalized AR. This is <unk>.
Speaker 3: We seem to be focusing on all the negatives around destocking and how it's impacting our revenue on the gas utility side. I mean, clearly, as the supply chains have debottled and act and become more normalized, this has given us an opportunity to manage our own inventory more efficiently. And the fact that we're able to produce the same amount of revenue with a lower amount of inventory and lower amount of working capital in addition to the strong margins that we've been able to generate has really allowed us to generate so much cash. And we're very excited about that. I mean, if you think about...
US an opportunity to manage our own inventory more efficiently and the fact that we're able to produce the same amount of revenue with a lower amount of inventory and lower amount of working capital are.
In addition to the strong margins that we'd been able to generate you know has really allowed us to generate so much cash and we're very excited about that I mean, if you think about what what's the role of a corporation ultimately is to generate cash and this company and this management team is dedicated to generating cash.
Speaker 7: What's the role of a corporation? Ultimately, it's to generate cash.
Speaker 7: And this company and this management team is dedicated to generating cash across the entire business cycle. You know, we grew our revenue 2% quarter to quarter, generated over $100 million of cash flow from operations. That's a great story.
Cash across the entire business cycle, you know we grew our revenue 2% quarter to quarter are generated over $100 million of revenue I'm, sorry of cash flow from operations. That's a great story and as we go to 'twenty four we're not giving guidance on this call, but we certainly expect to Jen.
Speaker 3: And as we go to 24, we're not giving guidance on this call, but we certainly expect to generate a significant amount of cash next year as well.
<unk> has significant amount of cash next year as well. So we've got a much improved balance sheet. We were at a record low for net debt as a public company. So all of these things around destocking and in getting a getting our own house in order as it relates to inventory should be very positive for investors.
Speaker 7: So we've got a much improved balance sheet, we're at a record low for net debt as a public company. So all these things around destocking and getting our own house in order as it relates to inventory should be very positive for investors because we're going to be generating a lot of cash and I think ultimately that's what investors want to see.
Cuz, we're gonna be generating a lot of cash and and I think ultimately that's what investors want to say.
Yes, understood and I guess, maybe if I could zoom out even further for just a moment I mean this time next year, we're going to have some of the capital structure issues, a little bit more decided but no matter what leverage is going to be quite low I guess any thoughts on just capital deployment priorities. Once we kind of get through some of the pending issues there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, understood. And I guess maybe if I could zoom out, you know, even further for just a moment, I mean, this time next year, we're gonna have some of the capital structure issues a little bit more decided, but no matter what, lever is gonna be quite low. I guess any thoughts on just capital deployment priorities, you know, once we kind of get through some of the pending issues there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question. Thanks for asking it. Because we were getting questions a year ago on capital allocation and those who will remember or pull up the transcripts will recall that we said, we need to demonstrate that we will generate cash even as the business grows. Well, it looks like we're doing that. And the fact that we're able to generate cash across the cycle gives us more financial flexibility.
Yeah. That's a great question. Thanks for asking it because you know we were getting questions a year ago on capital allocation and those who will remember in pull ups transcripts will recall that we said we need to demonstrate that we will generate cash even as the business grows well it looks like we're doing that and the fact that we're able to do.
Generate cash across the cycle gives us more financial flexibility, we would really like to get back to M&A to grow. This company. This company hasn't done any significant M&A since 2014, we want to be thoughtful about how we grow our business we want to make sure that we're getting into businesses that are we.
Speaker 7: We would really like to get back to M&A to grow this company. This company hasn't done any significant M&A since 2014. We want to be thoughtful about how we grow our business.
Speaker 7: We want to make sure that we're getting into businesses that we feel like we can compete with effectively. We can add value to based on our existing either product mix, customer mix.
Feel like we can compete with effectively we can add value to based on our existing either product mix customer mix geography, what have you, but we want to make sure that we're very disciplined about that M&A. We haven't had really the flexibility to think about M&A in a big way because we've been heavily levered.
Speaker 7: geography, what have you. But we want to make sure that we're very disciplined about that M&A.
Speaker 7: We haven't had really the flexibility to think about M&A in a big way because we've been heavily levered. We think that that's actually been...
We think that that's actually been a detriment to the company's ability to trade in the market because people were concerned about overleverage, especially as we were going into the pandemic, but this company will now have more financial flexibility going into 'twenty. Four then we will have had probably in our entire existence as a public company.
Speaker 7: a detriment to the company's ability to trade in the market because people were concerned about over leverage especially as we were going into the pandemic.
Speaker 7: But this company will now have more financial flexibility going into 24 than we will have had probably in our entire existence as a public company.
Speaker 7: and we will continue to scan the market for attractive M&A for ways to profitably grow our business.
And we will continue to scan the market for attractive M&A.
For ways to profitably grow our business.
Good stuff thanks for the color guys.
Youre welcome. Thank you.
There are no further questions I'd like to hand, the call back to Monica Broughton for closing remarks.
Speaker 1: There are no further questions. I'd like to hand the call back to Monica Broadden for closing remarks.
Thank you for joining us today and for your interest in MRC Global we look forward to having you join us for our fourth quarter conference call in February a great day.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us today and for your interest in MRC Global. We look forward to having you join us for our fourth quarter conference call in February . Have a great day.
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