Q3 2023 TopBuild Corp Earnings Call
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Speaker 1: Greetings and welcome to the top builds third quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone wants to require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone t-pad. As a reminder, this conference is being recognized.
Greetings and welcome to the top built third quarter earnings Conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance. During the conference. Please press star zero on your <unk>.
Telephone keypad as a reminder, this conference is being recorded it is now my pleasure to introduce your host Tabitha Dean Vice President Investor Relations. Thank you Tabitha you may begin.
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Speaker 1: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tabusa Dane, Vice President and Investor Relations. Thank you, Tabusa.
Speaker 2: transcript
Speaker 2: Thank you and good morning. On the call today are Robert Buck, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Rob Koons, Chief Financial Officer. We have posted senior management's formal remarks and a PowerPoint presentation that summarizes our comments on our website at topbuild.com.
Thank you and good morning.
On the call today are Robert Buck, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Rob Kuhns, Chief Financial Officer, We have posted senior management's formal remarks, and a powerpoint presentation that summarizes our comments on our website at topsail Dot com.
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Speaker 2: Many of our remarks will include forward-looking statements which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in this morning's press release as well as in the company's filings with the FCC. The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement forward-looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events.
Many of our remarks will include forward looking statements, which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in this morning's press release as well as in the company's filings with the SEC. The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement forward looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events.
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Speaker 2: Please note that some of the financial measures to be discussed on this call will be on a non-GAAP basis. The non-GAAP measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP.
Please note that some of the financial measures to be discussed on this call will be on a non-GAAP basis. The non-GAAP measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided a reconciliation of these financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in a table included in today's.
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Speaker 2: We have provided a reconciliation of these financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures in a table included in today's press release and in our third quarter presentation, which can also be found on our website. I will now turn the call over to Robert Buck. Good morning and thank you for joining us today.
The press release and in our third quarter presentation, which can also be found on our website I will now turn the call over to Robert Buck Good morning, and thank you for joining us today.
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Speaker 3: With one quarter left in 2023, this year has exceeded our expectations with solid, profitable growth.
With one quarter left in 2023, this year has exceeded our expectations with solid profitable growth.
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Speaker 3: Our strong results are testament to our team's hard work, perseverance, and strategic focus on growing our multifamily and commercial work, as well as our continued emphasis on operational excellence and driving improvements throughout all areas of our business.
Our strong results are testament to our team's hard work perseverance and strategic focus on growing our multifamily and commercial work as well as our continued emphasis on operational excellence and driving improvements throughout all areas of our business.
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Speaker 3: Total sales for the nine months are at 4.4%. Our gross margin has expanded 130 basis points to 31%. And our adjusted EBITDA margin has expanded 160 basis points to 20.4%.
Total sales for the nine months were up 4.4%. Our gross margin has expanded 130 basis points to 31% and our adjusted EBITDA margin has expanded 160 basis points to 24%.
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Speaker 3: reviewing our third quarter results, our installation segment was able to drive efficiencies and grow revenue 4.9% despite volume contracting from the slowdown in single-family starts earlier in the year.
Regarding our third quarter results, our installation segment was able to drive efficiencies and grow revenue four 9%. Despite volume contracted from the slowdown in single family starts earlier in the year.
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Speaker 3: To offset the single-family decline, our branches have actively and successfully targeted multifamily and live commercial work.
To offset the single family decline, our branches have actively and successfully targeted multifamily and light commercial work.
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Speaker 3: On the commercial installation front, our dedicated heavy commercial branches are reporting strong bidding activity and are winning their fair share of projects. Building up our already solid backwards.
On the commercial installation front, our dedicated in heavy commercial branches are reporting strong bidding activity and are winning their fair share of projects building up our already solid backlog.
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Speaker 3: As a reminder, we are agnostic as the types of projects we work on and are not over indexed to office or any other type of heavy commercial jobs.
As a reminder, we are agnostic as to the types of projects. We work on and are not Uber index to office or any other type of heavy commercial jobs.
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Speaker 3: Current projects we are working on include renovation of the CTAC Airport in Washington State, the hard rock casino in Virginia and several large medical projects.
Current projects. We're working on include renovation at the Seatac Airport in Washington State.
The hard rock casino in Virginia, and several large matrix medical projects.
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Speaker 3: In total, our commercial installation business grew 9.4% in the third quarter, compared to the third quarter of 2022, and year to date, it is up 13%.
In total our commercial installation business grew nine 4% in the third quarter compared to the third quarter of 2022 and year to date it is up 13%.
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Speaker 3: Turning to our special distribution business overall sales in the second quarter declined 2.1% primarily as a result of a 1.9% decline in price.
Yeah.
Turning to our specialty distribution business overall sales in the second quarter declined two 1% primarily as a result in a one 9% decline in price.
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Speaker 3: The greater availability of fiberglass and spray foam in the quarter, put pressure on market price.
The greater availability of fiberglass and spray foam in the quarter put pressure on market pricing.
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Speaker 3: As residential distribution vines continue to normalize, our teens are doing a nice job of identifying and building attractive areas of growth as their overall results demonstrate.
As residential distribution bodies continue to normalize our teams are doing a nice job of identifying and building an attractive new areas of growth as our results demonstrate.
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Speaker 3: We are pleased to see a 1.7% increase in sales from our commercial and industrial channels.
We are pleased to see a 1.7% increase in sales from our commercial and industrial channels.
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Speaker 3: Our special distribution segment continues to support many major commercial and industrial projects, including the Salt Lake City International Airport and the new N-cell chip factory in Arizona.
Our specialty distribution segment continues to support many major commercial and industrial projects, including the Salt Lake City International Airport, and the New Intel Chip factory in Arizona.
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Speaker 3: We're also seeing quite a few major projects being planned across several diverse industries, healing the demand for mechanical insulation.
We're also seeing quite a few major projects being planned across several diverse industries fueling the demand for mechanical insulation.
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Speaker 3: Maintenance and repair work on many commercial and industrial sites is also being scheduled and this revenue stream should serve as a continued stabilizing revenue drive.
Maintenance and repair work on many commercial and industrial sites has also been scheduled in this revenue stream should serve as a continued stabilizing revenue driver.
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Speaker 3: We remain very optimistic about their opportunities for growth in both the commercial and industrial in markets in the US and Canada.
We remain very optimistic about the opportunities for growth in both the commercial and industrial end markets in the U S and Canada.
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Speaker 3: We've also entered in the second phase of our growth strategy and operational improvement initiatives relating to our specialty distribution model.
We've also entered into a second phase of our growth strategy and operational improvement initiatives relating to our specialty distribution model.
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Speaker 3: Over the past two years, we've identified many cross-selling opportunities, including areas of the country where either DI or service partners does not have a presence, but where there is demand for their respective products and services.
In the past two years, we've identified many cross selling opportunities, including areas of the country, where either D. I or service partners does not have a presence, but where there is demand for their respective products and services.
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Speaker 3: In 2024, we plan to co-locate some DI and service partners operations, effectively expanding our footprint where we already have existing operations and establish customer base.
In 2024, we plan to co locate some D. I N service partners' operations effectively expanding our footprint, where we already have existing operations and established customer bases.
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Speaker 3: Without the investment journey associated with opening a green fill location.
Without the investment, Germany associated with opening a greenfield location.
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Speaker 3: More details to come next year and we continue this process to drive organic growth.
More details to come next year as we continue this process to drive organic growth.
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Speaker 3: Moving to material in the quarter, fiberglass was more readily available than it had been earlier in the year. As a result, some of the manufacturers have pushed the September price increase out until later in the year.
Moving to material in the quarter fiberglass is more readily available than it had been earlier in the year as a result, some of the manufacturers have pushed the September price increase out until later in the year.
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Speaker 3: Over the past month however, the material has started to tighten.
Over the past month, however material has started to tighten.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, single-family starts will be an important bellwether for the industry as a whole as they move through 2024. Also, as a reminder, maintenance on production lines has an impact on product availability and we work closely with our suppliers to effectively manage our emissions.
Obviously single family starts will be an important bellwether for the industry as a whole as we move through 2024 also as a reminder, maintenance on production is has an impact on product availability and we work closely with our suppliers to effectively manage our inventory.
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Speaker 3: On the capital allocation front, year to date, we've completed four acquisitions, which are expected to generate almost $173 million of revenue on a pro forma, full year basis.
On the capital allocation front year to date, we've completed four acquisitions, which are expected to generate almost $173 million of revenue on a pro forma full year basis.
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Speaker 3: One of these acquisitions was completed this month. Panhandle installation, a residential installer generating approximately $5.3 million of annual revenue.
One of these acquisitions was completed this month panhandle installation, a residential installer generating approximately $5 $3 million of annual revenue.
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Speaker 3: In July , we also announced our intention to acquire specialty products and insulation, or SPI, a North American special distributor and custom fabricator of mechanical insulation and a special distributor of building and installation to the industrial, commercial, and residential end markets, generating approximately $700 million in annual revenue.
In July we also announced our intention to acquire specialty products and installation or Spi and North American specialty distributor and custom fabricated mechanical insulation and our specialty distributor of building installation to the industrial commercial and residential end markets generating approximately $700 million in.
Annual revenue.
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Speaker 3: This transaction is currently going through regulatory review and we expect to close in 2024.
This transaction is currently going through regulatory review and we expect to close in 2024.
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Speaker 3: We are working closely with the SPI folks to ensure the integration process is smooth once the transaction closes.
We are working closely with the STI folks to ensure the integration process is smooth once the transaction closes.
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Speaker 3: As we got to know the SPI team even better, our confidence about the potential of this transaction has only increased.
No. The S. P I see even better our confidence about the potential of this transaction has only increased.
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Speaker 3: This well-run company has a strong operations team and a culture that aligns well with topics.
It's well run company has a strong operations team and a culture that aligns well with tocqueville.
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Speaker 3: In the first 12 months, our focus will be integrating SPI onto our systems and supply chain, and to further identify operational efficiencies and improvements across our entire organization.
In the first 12 months, our focus will be integrating spi onto our systems and supply chain and to further identify operational efficiencies and improvements.
Across our entire organization.
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Speaker 3: We are very confident we will achieve the 35 million to 40 million dollars of run rate cost energies we've targeted over the first 24 months.
We are very confident we will achieve the 35 million to $40 million of run rate cost synergies, we've targeted over the first 24 months.
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Speaker 3: Looking ahead, our M&A prospect pipeline remains robust for residential and commercial installation companies and for mechanical insulation specially distributed.
Looking ahead, our M&A prospect pipeline remains robust for residential and commercial installation companies and for mechanical insulation specialty distributors, we expect to remain very active on all three fronts going forward.
Operator: Greetings and welcome to the TopBuild's third quarter earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation.
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Speaker 3: We expect to remain very active on all three fronts going forward. Acquisitions remain our number one capital allocation priority, generating by far the greatest return for our shareholders, as evidenced by our return on invested capital, which increased from 8.6% in 2017 to 18.5% at year-end 2020.
Acquisitions remain our number one capital allocation priority generating by far the greatest return for our shareholders as evidenced by our return on invested capital, which increased from eight 6% in 2017 to 18, 5% at year end 2022.
Operator: If anyone wants to require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone t-pad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
Tabitha Zane: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tabitha Zane, Vice President Investor Relations. Thank you, Tabitha.
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Speaker 3: In summary, we had a great third quarter and we're on track to report another solid year as evidenced by our increased 2023 guidance, which Rob will discuss.
In summary, we had a great third quarter and we're on track to report another solid year as evidenced by our increased 2023 guidance, which Rob will discuss.
Tabitha Zane: You may begin. Thank you and good morning.
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Speaker 3: Our team continues to execute well on our diversified and our diversified model positions top bill to outperform in any environment.
Tabitha Zane: On the call today are Robert Buck, President and Chief Executive Officer and Rob Kuhns, Chief Financial Officer. We have posted senior management's formal remarks and a PowerPoint presentation that summarizes our comments on our website at topbuild.com. Many of our remarks will include forward-looking statements which are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties, including those set forth in this morning's press release, as well as in the company's violence with the SEC.
Our team continues to execute well on our diversified and our diversified model positions tocqueville to outperform in any environment Rob.
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Speaker 4: Thanks Robert and good morning everyone. We're pleased to report another strong quarter of profitable growth, a reflection of the continued success of our focus strategy and the hard work of our team.
Thanks, Robert and good morning, everyone. We're pleased to report another strong quarter of profitable growth a reflection of the continued success of our focused strategy and the hard work of our teams.
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Speaker 4: Our third quarter net sales increase 1.9% to 1.33 billion. Breaking that down, our installation segments third quarter net sales were 821.7 million and increase of 4.9% driven by MNA of 4.8% and price of 3.6% partially offset by a 3.5% decline in volume.
Our third quarter net sales increased one 9% to $1 three 3 billion breaking that down our installation segment third quarter net sales were $821 7 million, an increase of four 9% driven by M&A or four 8% and price of three 6% partially offset.
Tabitha Zane: The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement forward-looking statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. Please note that some of the financial measures to be discussed on this call will be on a gap basis. The non-gap measures are not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with gaps. We have provided a reconciliation of these financial measures to the most comparable gap measures and a table included in today's press release and in our third quarter presentation, which can also be found on our website.
By a three 5% decline in volume.
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Speaker 4: While multifamily sales remain strong throughout the quarter, we did not see the traditional second quarter to third quarter increase in single-family activity due to the slower single-family starts earlier this year.
Multifamily sales remained strong throughout the quarter, we did not see the traditional second quarter to third quarter increase in single family activity due to the slower single family starts earlier this year as.
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Speaker 4: As a third quarter unfolded, single family failed began improving each month in line with the growth and single family starts that occurred beginning in May.
As the third quarter unfolded single family sales began improving each month in line with the growth in single family starts that occurred beginning in May.
Robert Buck: I will now turn the call over to Robert Buck. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. With one quarter left in 2023, this year has exceeded our expectations with solid profitable growth. Our strong results, our testments, our team's hard work, perseverance, and strategic focus on growing our multi-family and commercial work, as well as our continued emphasis on operational excellence and driving improvements throughout all areas of our business. Total sales for the nine months are 4.4%.
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Speaker 4: I also want to highlight that the strengths of our diversified end-market strategy was evident as our commercial sales for the installation segment grew 9.4% driven by strong activity from both light and heavy commercial projects.
I also want to highlight that the strength of our diversified end market strategy was evident as our commercial sales for the installation segment grew nine 4% driven by strong activity from both light and heavy commercial projects.
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Speaker 4: Specialty distribution's net sales were $571 million, a 2.1% decline from prior year, primarily due to lower price.
Especially distributions net sales were $571 million, a two 1% decline from prior year, primarily due to lower prices.
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Speaker 4: Special distributions residential sales were down 7.5%, as a larger percentage of construction activity continues to be focused on multi-family, a channel with lower participation from the smaller installation contractors we serve.
Especially distributions residential sales were down seven 5% as a larger percentage of construction activity continues to be focused on multifamily a channel with lower participation from the smaller installation contractors we service.
Robert Buck: Our gross margin has expanded 130 basis points to 31%. And our adjusted EBITDA margin has expanded 160 basis points to 20.4%. We're bringing our third quarter results. Our installation segment was able to drive efficiencies and revenue 4.9%, despite volume contracting from the slowdown and single-family starts earlier in the year. To offset the single-family decline, our branches have actively and successfully targeted multi-family and life commercial work. On the commercial installation front, our dedicated heavy commercial branches are reporting strong bidding activity and are winning their fair share of projects.
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Speaker 4: Especially distributions commercial industrial sales were up 1.7% in the course.
Especially distributions commercial and industrial sales were up one 7% in the quarter.
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Speaker 4: Third quarter gross margin expanded 130 basis points to 31.7% driven by operational efficiencies and strong margins on installations, multi-family and commercial projects.
Third quarter gross margin expanded 130 basis points to 31, 7% driven by operational efficiencies and strong margins on installations multifamily and commercial projects.
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Speaker 4: Normally the margins on these larger commercial and multi-family projects are similar to what we see on the single family side. However, on many of our recent projects, our teams have done a tremendous job delivering higher margins throughout standing executes.
Normally the margins on these larger commercial and multifamily projects are similar to what we see on the single family side. However on many of our recent projects. Our teams have done a tremendous job delivering higher margins through outstanding execution.
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Speaker 4: Third quarter adjusted EBITDA increase 9.4% to 283.7 million. And our adjusted EBITDA margin was 21.4%, a 150 basis point improvement compared to last year.
Third quarter, adjusted EBITDA increased nine 4% to $283 7 million and our adjusted EBITDA margin was 21, 4%, a 150 basis point improvement compared to last year.
Robert Buck: Building up our already solid backlog. As a reminder, we are agnostic as the types of projects we work on and are not over indexed to office or any other type of heavy commercial job. Current projects we are working on include renovation of the CTAC Airport in Washington State, the New Hard Rock, Casino, in Virginia, and several large medical projects. In total, our commercial installation business grew 9.4% in the third quarter compared to the third quarter of 2022, and year today it is up 13%.
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Speaker 4: Adjusted EBITDA margin for our installation segment was 23.7%, up 210 basis points and driven by the gross margins discussed earlier.
Adjusted EBITDA margin for our installation segment was 23, 7% up 210 basis points and driven by the gross margins discussed earlier.
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Speaker 4: Despite lower sales, especially distribution segment delivered an EBITDA margin of 18.2%, a 20 basis point improvement from productivity and continued realization of synergies from our acquisition of distribution international.
Despite lower sales, especially distribution segment delivered an EBITDA margin of 18, 2%, a 20 basis point improvement from productivity and continued realization of synergies from our acquisition of distribution International.
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Speaker 4: Other income and expense was 2.1 million lower than prior year as higher interest expense on our variable term loan was more than offset by higher interest income from our cash on hand.
Other income and expense was $2 $1 million lower than prior year as higher interest expense on our variable term loan was more than offset by higher interest income from our cash on hand.
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Speaker 4: adjustments to net income were 8.4 million and primarily related to acquisition related costs and the opportunistic disposition of a small non-core business.
Adjustments to net income were $8 4 million and primarily related to acquisition related cost and the opportunistic disposition of a small noncore business.
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Speaker 4: For the quarter adjusted earnings per deluded share were $5.43, a 13.1% increase from prior year.
For the quarter adjusted earnings per diluted share were $5 43, a 13, 1% increase from prior year.
Robert Buck: We are pleased to see a 1.7% increase in sales from our commercial and industrial channels. Our special distribution segment continues to support many major commercial and industrial projects including the Salt Lake City International Airport and the new Intel chip factory in Arizona. We are also seeing quite a few major projects being planned across several diverse industries dealing the demand for mechanical insulation. Maintenance and repair work on many commercial and industrial sites is also being scheduled and this revenue stream should serve as a continued stabilizing revenue driver. We remain very optimistic about their opportunities for growth in both the commercial and industrial in markets in the US and Canada.
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Speaker 4: Moving to our balance sheet and cash flows, our working capital is a percent of trailing 12 month sales with 14.6 percent, 90 basis points lower than a year ago.
Moving to our balance sheet and cash flows our working capital as a percent of trailing 12 month sales was 14, 6% 90 basis points lower than a year ago.
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Speaker 4: We have worked hard over this past year to get working capital in line with our long-term guidance of 12 to 14%. And this has helped drive our 75% increase in year-to-date operating cash flow from prior year to 588.5 minutes.
We have worked hard over this past year to get working capital in line with our long term guidance of 12% to 14% and this has helped drive our 75% increase in year to date operating cash flow from prior year to $588 5 million.
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Speaker 4: September year-to-date CAPEX was 48.1 million, approximately 1.2% of revenue.
September year to date, Capex was $48 1 million approximately one 2% of revenue.
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Speaker 4: In addition, year to date, we have allocated 147.6 million to acquisition.
In addition year to date, we have allocated $147 6 million for acquisitions.
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Speaker 4: We ended the third quarter with trailing 12 months EBITDA, the net debt leverage of 0.79 times.
We ended the third quarter with trailing 12 months EBITDA, the net debt leverage at zero.
0.79 times.
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Speaker 4: Total liquidity at September 30, 2023 was 1.1 billion, including cash of $615.6 million, and an accessible revolver of $436.2 million.
Robert Buck: We have also entered in the second phase of our growth strategy and operational improvement initiatives relating to our specially distribution model. Over the past two years, we have identified many cross-selling opportunities including areas of the country where either DI or service partners does not have a presence but where there is demand for their respective products and services. In 2024, we plan to co-locate some DI and service partners operations, effectively expanding our footprint where we already have existing operations and established customer basics.
Total liquidity at September 32023 was $1 1 billion, including cash of $615 6 million and an accessible revolver of $436 2 million.
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Speaker 4: Moving to annual guidance, we expect to close out 2023 with a strong fourth quarter and have adjusted guidance accordingly.
Moving to annual guidance, we expect to close out 2023, with a strong fourth quarter and have adjusted guidance Accordingly.
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Speaker 4: We are projecting total 2023 sales to be between 5.13 billion and 5.21 billion. A 105 million increase on the low end of the range and a 35 million increase on the high end.
We are projecting total 2023 sales to be between 5.13 billion and $5 to 1 billion a $105 million increase on the low end of the range and a $35 million increase on the high end.
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Speaker 4: Breaking that down, same branch residential revenue is expected to be relatively flat for the year. And same branch commercial and industrial revenue will be up mid single digits.
Robert Buck: Without the investment journey associated with opening a green fill location, more details will come next year as we continue this process to drive organic growth. Moving to material in the quarter, fiberglass was more readily available than it had been earlier in the year. As a result, some of the manufacturers have pushed the September price increase out until later in the year. Over the past month, however, material has started to tighten. Obviously, single-family starts will be an important bell weather for the industry as a whole as they move through 2024.
Breaking that down same branch residential revenue is expected to be relatively flat for the year and same branch commercial and industrial revenue will be up mid single digits.
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Speaker 4: We have also raised our 2023 guidance for adjusted EBITDA to be between 1.025 billion and 1.055 billion.
We've also raised our 2023 guidance for adjusted EBITDA to be between 1.025 billion and 1.055 billion a $75 million increase on the low end of the range and a $55 million increase on the high end.
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Speaker 4: A 75 million increase on the low end of the range and a 55 million increase on the high end. Our long-range modeling targets are unchanged. I want to...
Our long range modeling targets are unchanged.
Now I'll turn the call back to Robert for closing remarks, Thanks, Rob as 2023 graph for clothes. We are very pleased with how this year has progressed and our results once again demonstrate the strength of our operating model and the hard work of our continental team.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Rob. As 2023 grow up for close, we are very pleased with how this year has progressed and our results once again demonstrate the strength of our operating model and the hard work of our top built team.
Robert Buck: Also, as a reminder, maintenance and production lines has an impact on product availability and we work closely with our suppliers to effectively manage our inventory. On the capital allocation front, year to date, we've completed four acquisitions which are expected to generate almost $173 million of revenue on a pro form of four-year basis. One of these acquisitions was completed this month, Panhandle Insulation, a residential installer generating approximately $5.3 million of annual revenue.
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Speaker 3: In addition to successfully managing inflation, we continue to make operational improvements throughout our organization as we drive both growth and profitability.
In addition to successfully managing inflation, we continue to make operational improvements throughout our organization as we drive both growth and profitability.
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Speaker 3: I'm also pleased to report that our MFCI ESG rating improved from 80 to double A. A direct result of the hard work of our dedicated sustainability team.
I'm also pleased to report that our MSCI ESG rating improved from eight to Dudley a direct result of the hard work of our dedicated sustainability T. We've made great strides over the past few years and our ratings improvement reflects this progress.
Robert Buck: In July, we also announced our intention to acquire, especially products and insulation or SPI, an North American Special Distributor and Custom Fabricator Mechanical Insulation and a Special Distributor of Building Insulation to the industrial, commercial and residential end markets, generating a approximately $700 million in annual revenue. This transaction is currently going through a regulatory review and we expect to close in 2024. We are working closely with the SPI folks to ensure the integration process is smooth once the transaction closes.
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Speaker 3: We made great strides over the past few years and our ratings improvement reflects this progress.
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Speaker 3: In closing, I think the entire top-down team for their focus on working safely to deliver value, quality, and service to our customers. Operator.
In closing I. Thank the entire tableau team for their focus on working safely to deliver value quality and service to our customers.
Operator, we're now ready for questions.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session.
Thank you we will now be conducting a question and answer session.
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Speaker 1: If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question.
We'd like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad.
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Robert Buck: As we've gotten to know the SPI team even better, our confidence about the potential of this transaction has only increased. This well-run company has a strong operations team and a culture that aligns well with TopBuild. In the first 12 months, our focus will be integrating SPI onto our systems and supply chain and to further identify operational efficiencies and improvements across our entire organization. We are very confident we will achieve the 35 million to 40 million dollars of run rate cost energies we've targeted over the first 24 months.
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Speaker 5: Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Mike Riyot with JP Morgan.
Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Mike Rehaut with Jpmorgan. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks, and good morning, everyone.
Congrats on the results.
Robert Buck: Looking ahead, our M&A prospect pipeline remains robust for residential and commercial installation companies and for mechanical insulation specialty distributors. We expect to remain very active on all three fronts going forward. Acquisitions remain, our number one capital allocation priority, generating by far the greatest return for our shareholders as evidence by our turn on invested capital, which increased from 8.6% in 2017 to 18.5% in year in 2022.
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Speaker 5: I wanted to focus first, you kind of mentioned some of the improvement that you saw during the quarter from single family new rez, you know, from I guess some of the improving trends in the second quarter
Thanks.
Wanted to focus first you kind of mentioned some of the improvement that you saw during the quarter.
From a single family New res.
From I guess some of the improving trends.
In the second quarter.
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Speaker 5: You know, given how that's trended through your today, I was curious if you had any early views around, at least the first half of 24.
You know given how.
That's true.
Through our year to date.
I was curious if you had any early views around at least the first half of 'twenty four.
Robert Buck: In summary, we had a great third quarter and we're on track to report another solid year as evidence by our increased 2023 guidance, which Rob will discuss. Our team continues to execute well on our diversified and our diversified model positions TopBuild to outperform in any environment.
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Speaker 6: And as the market is kind of shaping up, and obviously there's a lot of volatility currently in the market, but any thoughts on how single family and for that matter multi-family and non-REDs.
And.
As the market is kind of shaping up and obviously, there's a lot of volatility currently are in.
In the market, but.
Any thoughts on you know how single family and for that matter multifamily and non res or at least shaping your views early on for the first half of 'twenty four.
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Speaker 6: are at least shaping your views early on for the first half of 24.
Rob Kuhns: Rob, thanks Robert and good morning everyone. We are pleased to report another strong quarter of profitable growth, a reflection of the continued success of our focus strategy and the hard work of our teams. Our third quarter net sales increased 1.9% to 1.33 billion. Breaking that down, our installation segments, third quarter net sales were 821.7 million and increase of 4.9% driven by M&A of 4.8% and price of 3.6% partially offset by a 3.5% decline in volume.
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Speaker 3: Agamon and Michael's Robert. So, you know, as we mentioned, the quarter started out a little slow on the single family side, but as we progressed through the quarter, we saw single family activity picked up as we think about, you know, ending the year going into first quarter next year. You know, the public builders, you know, continue to be optimistic. You've heard it on their call. The majority of them are looking for, you know, growth next year. That's what we hear from them and see as well. Some of the smaller builders, you know, little more, I'd say, talking more flat next year, but right now heading out of Q4, heading to Q1. We expect single family and given some of that pickup and starts, if you saw coming in May and June , be carried forward.
Yeah, Good morning, Mike as Robert So yeah.
As we mentioned the quarter started out a little slower on the single family side, but as we progressed through the quarter. We saw single family activity picked up as we think about ending the year going into first quarter next year, you know the public builders continue to be optimistic you've heard on their call.
Majority of them are looking for growth next year, that's what we hear from them and see as well some of the smaller builders you know little little more I'd say, he's talking more flat next year, but right now hidden heading out of Q4 and into Q1, we expect single family and given some of that pickup in starts that you saw coming in May and June.
Rob Kuhns: While multifamily sales remained strong throughout the quarter, we did not see the traditional second quarter to third quarter increase in single-family activity due to the slower single-family starts earlier this year. As a third quarter unfolded, single-family sales began improving each month in line with the growth and single-family starts that occurred beginning in May. I also want to highlight that the strengths of our diversified end market strategy was evident as our commercial sales for the installation segment grew 9.4% driven by strong activity from both light and heavy commercial projects.
June.
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Speaker 3: You know, from a multi family perspective, definitely backlogs are down slightly, but we say still very healthy. We think that demand carries into 2024.
The carryforward.
From a multifamily perspective definitely backlogs are down slightly but we say still very healthy we think that demand carries into 2024 as well. So I think overall, we remain positive you know we'll see.
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Speaker 3: as well. I think our bro we remain positive. You know, we'll see what happens here with the single family stars is we finish up Q4.
See what happens here with the single family starts as we finish up Q4, and that'll tell that'll be the bellwether as we get into Q1 Q2 of 2024.
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Speaker 3: And that'll tell that'll be the bellwether as you know, we get into Q1 Q2 of 2024.
Rob Kuhns: Especially distributions net sales were 571 million, a 2.1% decline from prior year, primarily due to lower prices. Especially distributions residential sales were down 7.5% as a larger percentage of construction activity continues to be focused on multifamily, a channel with lower participation from the smaller installation contractors we service. Especially distributions commercial industrial sales were up 1.7% in the quarter. Third quarter of gross margin expanded 130 basis points to 31.7% driven by operational efficiencies and strong margins on installations, multi-family and commercial projects.
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Speaker 6: Great, great, now I appreciate that. I guess secondly, when you think about installation capacity currently and perhaps...
Right right no I appreciate that I guess secondly.
When you think about insulation capacity currently and perhaps.
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Speaker 6: you know what the industry has planned for the next you know six or 12 months.
What the industry has a plan for the next you know six or 12 months.
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Speaker 6: Do you anticipate any significant change in either availability of products?
Do you anticipate any significant change in either our availability of product.
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Speaker 6: or for that matter, pricing to the extent that.
Or for that matter.
You know pricing.
To the extent that you know.
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Speaker 6: you know, capacity might change and, and, and let's say in a more stable or just moderately improving backdrop, how that might impact, you know, industry pricing or the ability to push through price increases over the next six or 12 months.
Past that he might change in the end and let's say in a more stable or just moderately improving backdrop.
How that might impact.
Rob Kuhns: Normally, the margins on these larger commercial and multi-family projects are similar to what we see on the single family side. However, on many of our recent projects, our teams have done a tremendous job delivering higher margins throughout standing execution. Third quarter adjusted EBIDOT increased 9.4% to 283.7 million, and our adjusted EBIDOT margin was 21.4%, a 150 basis point improvement compared to last year. Adjusted EBIDOT margin for our installation segment was 23.7% of 210 basis points and driven by the gross margins discussed earlier.
Industry pricing or the ability to push through price increases over the next six or 12 months.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so as we mentioned in the remarks, so you know, the material is tight and as we finished Q3 and now at Q4, with definitely at least one manufacturer, you know, document and allocation.
Yeah. So as we mentioned in the remarks, so materially tightened as we finished Q3 and now in Q4.
It's definitely at least one manufactured document and allocation in the market and I think that supply driven given the maintenance that's going on really across the industry. So they get to the two dynamics, you've got maintenance, which a lot of manufacturers have maintenance planned and announced and then again the single family starts will be that kind of bellwether point. So you have maintenance.
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Speaker 3: And the market now, I think that supply driven given the maintenance that's going on really across the industry. So they get to the two dynamics.
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Speaker 3: You got maintenance which a lot of manufacturers have maintenance planned and announced. And then again, the single family starts will be that kind of bell weather point. So you have maintenance and single family keeps up.
Some single family keeps up from a from a curve perspective are growing I think you see material stay tight as we head into 2024.
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Speaker 3: You know, from a curve perspective of growing, I think you see material stay tight as we head into 2024.
Rob Kuhns: Despite lower sales, especially distribution segment delivered an EBIDOT margin of 18.2%, a 20 basis point improvement from productivity and continued realization of synergies from our acquisition of distribution international. Other income and expense was 2.1 million lower than prior year as higher interest expense on our variable term loan was more than offset by higher interest income from our cash on hand. Adjustments to net income were 8.4 million and primarily related to acquisition-related cost and the opportunistic disposition of a small non-core business.
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Speaker 3: and the Q1 here and possibly definitely the Q2 again given that maintenance schedule and if we see the single family starts continue to grow.
Into Q1 here and possibly definitely into Q2 again, given that maintenance schedule and if we see the single family starts continue to grow.
Yeah.
Alright, thanks, so much.
Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks a lot guys, appreciate it. Just to clean up a couple of those questions that might just ask. So first of all regarding the rebuild, our sense is that we're gonna have an unusually high level of rebuild across the fiberglass industry in 2024, which we're expecting to at least offset the capacity additions that are planned.
Yeah. Thanks, a lot guys I appreciate it just a just a clean up a couple of those questions that Mike just asked so first of all regarding the rebuilt our sense is that we're going to have an unusually high level of rebuilds across the fiberglass industry in 2024.
Rob Kuhns: For the quarter adjusted earnings per diluted share were $5.43, a 13.1% increase from prior year. Moving to our balance sheet and cash flows are working capital as a percent of trailing 12 month sales was 14.6%, 90 basis points lower than a year ago. We have worked hard over this past year to get working capital in line with our long-term guidance of 12 to 14%, and this has helped drive our 75% increase in year-to-date operating cash flow from prior year to 588.5 million.
Which we're expecting to at least offset the capacity additions that are planned curious if there is as to whether or not you would agree with the magnitude of the rebuilt in 2024 being you know a higher than normal if you could just sort of comment on that relative to what a normal year is and then regarding the.
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Speaker 7: curious if that is as to whether or not you would agree with the magnitude of the rebuild in twenty twenty four uh... being you know higher than normal um... if you just sort of comment on that relative to what a normal year is and then regarding the uh... the drag from single family being offset by the multi-family like commercial just to get a sense you know i'm wondering whether the drag from single family
The drag from single family being offset by the multifamily and light commercial just to get a sense I'm wondering whether the drag from single family was about equal to the seven 5% decline you saw on your spec distribution business that you referenced.
Rob Kuhns: September year-to-date CAPEX was 48.1 million, approximately 1.2% of revenue. In addition year-to-date we have allocated 147.6 million to acquisitions. We ended the third quarter with trailing 12 months EBITDA the net debt leverage of 0.79 times. Total liquidity at September 30, 2023 was 1.1 billion including cash of 615.6 million and an accessible revolver of 436.2 million.
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Speaker 7: but about you know equal to the seven and a half percent decline you found respect distribution of this is he that you referenced um... and if so does that mean that multi-family and like commercial sort of recovered back about four hundred basis points you know just strictly talking volume
And if so does that mean that multifamily and light commercial sort of recovered back about 400 basis points, you know just strictly talking volume.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning, Steve. It's Robert. I'll think that first part of that on the material and rebuild site. So yeah, I think it is.
Yes, good morning, Steve It's Robert I'll take that first part of that on the material and rebuild side. So yeah. I think it is a little above average what we're seeing scheduled for the rebuilds and the industry ended up Q4 and heading into 2020 for some of the manufacturers haven't exactly nailed down windows rebuild start so it's kind of a.
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Speaker 3: a little by beverage, what we're seeing scheduled for the rebuilds in the industry and enough Q4 and head into 2024.
Rob Kuhns: Moving to annual guidance, we expect to close out 2023 with a strong fourth quarter and have adjusted guidance accordingly. We are projecting total 2023 sales to be between 5.13 billion and 5.21 billion. A 105 million increase on the low end of the range and a 35 million increase on the high end. Breaking that down, same branch residential revenue is expected to be relatively flat for the year and same branch commercial and industrial revenue will be up mid-single digits.
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Speaker 3: Some of the manufacturers have an exactly now-down when those rebuild starts. So it's kind of hard to say, you know, what that does with the capacity coming on.
Hard to say you know what that does with their capacity coming on but given those rebuilds and if that single family start number continues to improve yeah. I think you could see material stay tight in 2024 at least to start the year. So some of those rebuilds get finished and that new capacity comes on and just a reminder, that new capacity comes on sometime around.
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Speaker 3: but given those rebuilds and if that single family start number continues to improve.
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Speaker 3: I think you could see material stay tight in 2024, at least to start the year till some of those rebuilds get finished and that new capacity comes on just a reminder that new capacity comes on sometime around.
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Speaker 3: end of Q2 and early Q3 and as always we're staying close to the manufacturers we have good insight into that.
One end of Q2 and early.
Rob Kuhns: We have also raised our 2023 guidance for adjusted EBITDA to be between 1.025 billion and 1.055 billion. C. A 75 million increase on the low end of the range and a 55 million increase on the high end. Our long-range modeling targets are unchanged.
Early Q3, and as always we're staying close to the manufacturers. We have we have good insight into that.
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Speaker 4: Yes, even then this is Rob on the second part of your question there around the single family decline we saw on the install side. I'd say you're in the ballpark there, the decline we saw was definitely in that mid single digits that we saw on the specially distribution side, right? And that really just goes to show you what we've been talking about here in terms of multiple avenues for growth. What we're able to do on the install side of the business is quarter by completely offsetting that with growth from multi family and commercial.
Yes, Stephen and then this is Rob on the second part of your question there around the single family decline, we saw on the install side I'd say you're in the ballpark. There. The decline we saw was definitely in that mid single digits that we saw in the specialty distribution side right and that's that really just goes to show you what we've been talking about here in terms of multiple avenues.
Robert Buck: I will now turn the call back to Robert for closing remarks. Thanks, Rob. As 2023 grout for a close, we are very pleased with how this year has progressed and our results once again demonstrate the strength of our operating model and the hard work of our top built team. In addition to successfully managing inflation, we continue to make operational improvements throughout our organization as we drive both growth and profitability. I'm also pleased to report that our MFCI ESG rating improved from 80 to double A, a direct result of the hard work of our dedicated sustainability team. We've made great strides over the past few years and our ratings improvement reflects this progress.
Robert Buck: In closing, I think the entire top built team for their focus on working safely to deliver value, quality, and service to our customers. Operator, we are now ready for questions. Thank you.
For growth.
What we were able to do on the on the install side of the business this quarter by completely offsetting that with growth for multifamily and commercial.
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Speaker 7: okay that's that's encouraging and then you talked about the fact that margins and commercial multi-family were stronger then single-family and that's you know rather unusual is running if you could come in a little bit on maybe what drove
Okay. Yeah. That's that's encouraging and then you talked about the fact that margins in commercial and multifamily were stronger than single family and that's rather unusual I was wondering if you could comment a little bit on maybe what drove those higher margins.
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Speaker 7: those higher margins in commercial multi-family and you talk about multi-family demand carrying in to I think the middle of next year. But given the starts we're seeing in multi- is it also reasonable to think that maybe that might press?
In commercial and multifamily and you talked about multifamily demand carrying into I think the middle of next year, but given the starts we're seeing in multi well what is it also reasonable to think that maybe that my crest in mid year and become a little bit of a headwind in the back half of 2024.
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Speaker 7: in mid-year and become a little bit of a headwind in the back half of 2024.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so so Steven's here to your question on on margins and we talked a little bit about it last quarter that, you know, on the, on the commercial side, the multi family side of things, these larger, more complicated projects. On average, the, the, the margins going to be similar to single family, but.
Yeah. So so Stephen to your to your question on margins.
Talk a little bit about it last quarter that you know on the on the commercial side the multifamily side of things. These larger more complicated projects on average the margin is going to be similar to single family but.
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Speaker 4: Back in 2-3 we mentioned it. We probably had about 80 basis points of benefit about $10 million due to just out performance, both operationally as well as.
Back in Q3, we mentioned that we probably had about 80 basis points of benefit about $10 million due to just outperformance both operationally as well as we bid a lot of these projects early on and.
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Speaker 4: We bit a lot of these projects early on and I'm in back in Q2. We had that happen.
I went back in Q2, we had that happen.
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Speaker 4: You know, we bid these projects, maybe anticipating some inflation. So we've performed very well on those jobs. And here in Q3, we probably had another 110 basis points to call it, about 15 million of benefit from that. So that's...
We bid these projects may be anticipating some inflation.
We performed very well on those jobs and they're here in Q3, we probably had another 110 basis points call. It about $15 million of benefit from that so that that's benefit we're not baking into our guidance going forward were certainly and it's part of our culture of constant improvement to try to continue to achieve those levels.
Mike Riyot: Our first question comes from the line of Mike Riyot with JP Morgan. Please thank everyone. Congrats on the results.
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Speaker 4: That's benefit we're not making indoor. Our guidance going forward. We're certainly, and it's part of our culture of constant improvement to try to continue to achieve those levels.
Robert Buck: I wanted to focus first. You kind of mentioned some of the improvement that you saw during the quarter from single family new res, you know, from I guess some of the improving trends in the second quarter. Given how that's trended through a year to date, I was curious if you had any early views around at least the first half of 24. As the market is kind of shaping up, and obviously there's a lot of volatility currently in the market, but any thoughts on how single family and for that first half of 24.
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Speaker 4: But it's not something we're baking into our guide and moving forward. Okay.
But it's not something we're baking into our guidance moving forward.
Okay.
Alright, thanks, very much guys.
Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Almeyer with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joe <unk> with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
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Speaker 8: Hey everybody, congrats on the strong results, and thanks for taking the questions.
Hey, everybody congrats on the strong results and thanks for taking the questions.
Thanks, Joe.
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Speaker 8: If we could just talk about the commercial business and the outlook going forward, I think there's leading indicators showing potential weakness and commentary from others in the industry about certain end markets.
If we could just talk about the commercial business and the outlook going forward I think there's some leading indicators showing some potential weakness in commentary from others in the industry about certain end markets within commercial but you held the commercial and industrial revenue guide flat and I'm just.
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Speaker 8: within commercial, but you held the commercial industrial revenue guide flat. And I'm just curious if that is purely a reflection of the backlog you have now, and just how you might be thinking about the sales opportunity there year-over-year.
If that is purely a reflection of the backlog do you have now and just how you might be thinking about the sales.
Robert Buck: As we mentioned, the quarter started out a little slow on the single family side, but as we progress through the quarter, we sell single family activity picked up as we think about ending the year going into first quarter next year. The public builders continue to be optimistic. You've heard it on their call. The majority of them are looking for growth next year. That's what we hear from them and see as well.
City, there year over year into next year.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Joe Sravitz. I think it just really speaks to what we've built and what the teams in the field are doing. So as we mentioned, we're agnostic to the type of projects. And as we bid our work, we're looking at that mix.
Yeah. Good morning, Jos Robert So I think it just really speaks to what we've built and what the teams in the field are doing so as we mentioned in Iraq Gnostic to the type of projects and as we bid our work we're looking at that mix of business as well as to what we're bidding. So it gives us a lot of bandwidth. So I think if you look at <unk>.
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Speaker 3: of business as well as the work we're bidding. So it gives us a lot of bandwidth. So thank you if you look at our light commercial work, which is just a reminder, the majority of our, really all of our residential branches do that work. And then our heavy commercial dedicated branches do that. So, you know, we see that.
Robert Buck: Some of the smaller builders, you know, a little more, I'd say talking more flat next year, but right now heading out of Q4, heading to Q1, we expect single family and given some of that pickup and starts if you saw coming in May and June to carry forward. You know, from a multi-family perspective, you know, definitely backlogs are down slightly, but we say still very healthy. We think that demand carries into 2024 as well.
Light commercial work with just a reminder, the majority of our really all of our residential branches do that work and then our heavy commercial dedicated branches I'd do that so we see that as.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're growing share from that perspective and quite honestly it's a part of the area part of the business that we're investing in I'll give you a couple examples one is Salesforce we're continuing to ask sales talent in that area across
We're growing share from that perspective, and quite honestly as a part of the area part of the business that we're investing in and I'll give you a couple of examples one is our sales force, we're continuing to add sales talent in that area across commercial industrial light heavy really across the business and then number two you've heard us talk about our lead up to that is really a fabulous tool.
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Speaker 3: commercial industrial, light heavy, really across the business. And the number two you've heard us talk about our lead app tool that is really a fabulous tool for really bringing together leads.
Robert Buck: I think overall we remain positive. You know, we'll see what happens here with the single family starts as we finish up Q4, and that'll tell that'll be the we get into Q1, Q2 of 2024. Great. Now, I appreciate that.
So really bringing together leads across the business that exists today, and that's being rolled out to our industrial business here in the future. So.
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Speaker 3: across the business that exists today and that's being rolled out to our industrial business here in the future. So I think it's, you know, we're optimistic about the growth there and we're really confident of our ability to outperform in any environment based on the model that we've built around commercial and industrial.
So I think it's it's we're optimistic about the growth there and we're really confident of our ability to outperform.
Robert Buck: I guess secondly, when you think about installation capacity currently and perhaps, you know, what the industry has planned for the next, you know, six or 12 months, do you anticipate any significant change in either availability of product, or for that matter, you know, pricing to the extent that, you know, capacity might change and, and let's say in a more stable or just moderately improving backdrop, how that might impact, you know, industry pricing or the ability to push through price increases over the next six or 12 months. Yes.
Any environment based on the model that we've built around commercial and industrial.
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Speaker 8: That's great. And it also, something you said in the prepared remarks picked by interest around the co-locating of the branches. It sounded like this is more of a sales expansion effort, not really a...
That's great and then it also something you said in the prepared remarks piqued my interest around the co locating of the branches it sounded like.
This is more of a sales expansion effort not really a cost reduction.
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Speaker 8: cost reduction or consolidation, footprint consolidation effort. I don't think you mentioned this as part of the DI acquisition. First, do I have that right that this is sort of incremental to what you've talked about? And then understand it would be difficult to quantify it, certainly in advance. But can you give us a sense maybe of how extensively you're going to pursue this strategy?
Our consolidation footprint consolidation effort.
I don't think you mentioned this is part of the D. I acquisition first do I have that right that this is sort of incremental to what you've talked about and then I understand that.
It's difficult to quantify it certainly in advance, but can you give us a sense maybe of how extensively youre going to pursue this strategy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we think there's great opportunity here as we look across. You're really, you're right. It's incremental and we said earlier, whenever we did the AI acquisition, we felt there were also an opportunities and we could after those after that first round of.
Yeah. So we think there's a great opportunity here as we look across you're really you're right. It's incremental and we said earlier whenever we get to the Adi acquisition, we felt that our cross selling opportunities and we get after those after that first round of improvements in synergies that are that we delivered one so yes, we think it is a great opportunity.
Robert Buck: So, as we mentioned in the remarks, so, you know, maternity tightness, we finished two, three, and now it's two, four with definitely at least one manufacturer, you know, document and allocation and the market. Now, I think that's applied driven given the maintenance that's going on really across the industry. So, they get to the two dynamics. You got maintenance, which a lot of manufacturers have maintenance planned and announced. And then again, the single family starts will be that kind of bell weather point.
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Speaker 3: improvements and synergies that we deliver on. So yeah, we think it is great opportunity where great footprint with DEI, great footprint of service partners, and we're leveraging the best of the two as we look across. And early on, I say we've identified, I'm gonna call it, you know.
Robert Buck: So, you have maintenance and single family keeps up, you know, from a, from a curve perspective of growing, I think you see material state tight as we head into 2024 into Q1 here and possibly definitely into Q2. Again, given that maintenance schedule, and if we see the single family starts continued to grow. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you.
Great footprint with D. I, a great footprint and service partners and we're leveraging the best of the two as we look across and you know early on I would say, we've identified I'm going to call. It you know.
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Speaker 3: 8, 9, 10 locations. Now we'll be looking to move forward with and you know, hard to quantify to your point, but we think this would be great where we have existing customer bases. Now we can serve them better and we would be growing those areas given the footprint that we would capitalize upon. E ?? v one Utah pit a
Eight 910 locations that we'll be looking to move forward with and you know hard to quantify to your point, but we think that will be great, where we have existing customer bases now we can serve them better and we were able to grow in those areas given the footprint that we were to capitalize upon.
Good stuff alright best of luck.
Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Zener with C-Port Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Zinger with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Stephen Kim: Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Kim with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question. Yeah. Thanks a lot. Guys, appreciate it. Just to clean up a couple of those questions that might just ask. So, first of all, regarding the rebuilds, our sense is that we're going to have an unusually high level of rebuilds across the fiberglass industry in 2024, which we're expecting to at least offset the capacity additions that are planned.
Good morning, everybody.
Good morning, good morning.
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Speaker 9: focusing on distribution and the commercial side. Can you talk to how the recurring maintenance repair piece of that business, if you can talk about like what percent that is today, as well as, you know, with the SPI acquisition, if that's something that has been helping.
Focusing on our distribution in the commercial side can you talk to how.
The recurring maintenance repair piece of that business. If you could talk about like what percent that is today as.
As well as you know with the SDI acquisition, if that's something that has been helping you.
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Speaker 9: You guys relative to the market, you know, whatever that end of market demand is.
You guys relative to the market.
Whatever that end market demand is.
Stephen Kim: Curious as to whether or not you would agree with the magnitude of the rebuilds in 2024 being, you know, higher than normal, if you just sort of comment on that relative to what a normal year is. And then regarding the drag from single family being offset by the multi-family and like commercial just to get a sense, I'm wondering whether the drag from single family. Well, the battle, you know, equal to the seven and a half percent decline you saw in your spec distribution business that you referenced. And if so, does that mean that multi-family and like commercial sort of recovered back about 400 basis points, you know, just strictly talking volume?
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Speaker 3: So as we think about it today, Ken, that's probably about 25% of that especially distribution revenue today. And then with the future of SPI, they get up to about a third.
Yes, so as we think about it today, Ken that's probably about 25% of that specialty distribution revenue today, and then with the future of Spi that gets up to about a third of the revenue. So yeah. We think of this as a stabilizing piece of the business and it really strapped.
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Speaker 3: of the revenue. So yeah, we think it is a stabilizing piece of the business and it really goes across service partners.
It goes across service partners.
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Speaker 3: the I and SPI, whether you think about recurring items such as PPE around safety, or whether you think about some of the extreme conditions that some of the mechanical insulation is exposed to.
N S. P. I, whether you think about recurring items, such as PPE around safety or whether you think about some of the extreme conditions that some of the mechanical installation is exposed to refineries food and beverage those types of things that really requires some.
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Speaker 3: refineries, food and beverage, those types of things that really requires some regular repair.
Some regular.
Repair and maintenance on those products. We think is a great part of the business and it's something that we'll continue to build upon and just one thing to point out there Ken on those numbers for the quarter on the commercial side for specialty distribution I mean, it was one 7% growth, but we also had one less day than prior of prior year as well as.
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Speaker 3: on those products. We think it's a great part of the business and something that will continue to build up.
Robert Buck: Yeah, good morning, Steve, it's Robert. I think that first part of that on the material and rebuild site. So, yeah, I think it is a little by beverage, what we're seeing scheduled for the rebuilds in the industry and up to four and heading into 2024. Some of the manufacturers haven't exactly nailed down when those rebuilds start. So, it's kind of hard to say, you know, what that does with the capacity coming on.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: And just one thing to point out there, it can on those numbers for the quarter on the commercial side for specialty distribution. I mean, it was 1.7% growth, but we also had one last day than prior year, as well as we were comping a pretty tough quarter. So really the average daily sales for us on the commercial industrial side, for specialty distribution was a record this quarter. So a really strong quarter there.
We were we were comping, a pretty tough quarter. So really the average daily sales for us in the commercial industrial side for specialty distribution was it was a record this quarter, so a really strong quarter there.
Robert Buck: But given those rebuilds and if that single family start number continues to improve, yeah, I think you could see material stay tight in 2024, at least to start the year till some of those rebuilds get finished. And that new capacity comes on just a reminder that new capacity comes on sometime around end of Q2 and early Q3. And as always, we're staying close to the manufacturers. We have good insight into that.
Speaker 9: transcript
Speaker 9: Yeah, Rob, just sticking with that. I mean, it looks like an up six comp last year. And then it's been down five down three down three is, you know, does that imply that you might be going up against these easier comps? Or how should we think, you know, in terms of that, you know, you're going to be going
Yeah, Rob just sticking with that I mean, it looks like an up six comp last year.
And then it's been down five down three down three.
It is.
Does that imply that you might be going up against these easier comps or how should we think.
You know in terms of.
Rob Kuhns: Yeah, Stephen, and then this is Rob on the second part of your question there around the single family decline we saw on the install side. I'd say you're in the ballpark there, the decline we saw was definitely in that mid single digits that we saw on the specially distribution side, right? And that really just goes to show you, you know, what we've been talking about here in terms of multiple avenues for growth, what we're able to do on the install side of the businesses quarter by completely offsetting that with growth from multi-family and commercial.
That perhaps next year.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I'm not sure the numbers you quoted there because I think on the special distribution side we would be up each quarter this year for sure on the commercial industrial side.
Yeah, I think I'm not sure of the numbers you quoted there because I think on the especially distribution side, we would be up each quarter. This year for sure on the commercial industrial side.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: But, you know, it's going into the fourth quarter here. I can tell you, it's a pretty tough cop there. We grew, you know, on a same branch basis around 7% last year on the specialty distribution side. So, you know, a pretty tough quarter. And typically the fourth quarter on the mechanical insulation side thing do slow down a bit. So the activity is a little bit slower, especially in December .
But going into the fourth quarter here I can tell you. It's a it's a pretty tough comp there we grew.
On a same branch basis around 7% last year, and especially distribution side. So you know a pretty tough quarter and typically the fourth quarter on the mechanical insulation side things things do slow down a bit so the activity is a little bit slower, especially in December.
Stephen Kim: Okay, yeah, that's encouraging. And then you talked about the fact that margins and commercial and multi-family were stronger than single-family and that's, you know, rather unusual. I was wondering if you could comment a little bit on maybe what drove those higher margins in commercial and multi-family. And you talked about multi-family demand carrying into, I think, the middle of next year, but given the starts we're seeing in multi-, is it also reasonable to think that maybe that might crest in mid-year and become a little bit of a headwind in the back half of 2024?
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Speaker 9: Alright, and then I guess just relative to the operating leverage you got, you know, price is kind of flattening out.
Alright, and then I guess just relative to the operating leverage you got you know price is kind of flattening out.
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Speaker 9: We don't know what's happening, but obviously, your labor pool, your key smule contract, and can you talk about the different pressures that margin face relative to your material price, labor, gas, obviously with the auto strikes, that's not an issue for you guys, but you're still indicating labor's tight there for it would seem to be inflationary on that, but the business.
We you know we don't know what is happening, but obviously you know your labor pool your.
Piecemeal contracting can you talk about the different pressures that margin faced relative to you know your material prices the labor gas.
Obviously with the auto strike, that's not an issue for you guys.
But you're still indicating labor's tight therefore, it would seem to be inflationary on that side of the business.
Stephen Kim: Yeah, so Stephen, to your question on margins, we talked a little bit about it last quarter that, you know, on the commercial side, the multi-family side of things, these larger, more complicated projects. On average, the margin's going to be similar to single-family, but back in Q3, we mentioned it. We probably had about 80 basis points of benefit, about $10 million due to just outperformance, both operationally, as well as, you know, we bid a lot of these projects early on and, I mean, back in Q2, we had that happen.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: Yeah Ken, so you're right, I mean on the on the material front definitely seeing, you know, inflation flow down on that side, the price increase.
Yeah, Ken. So so you are right I mean on the on the material front definitely seeing inflation slowed down on that side the price increase.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: that was announced in Q4 has been pushed out. You know, and on the labor side, you know, we do all we can to get after that with productivity. It's really been, you know, one of the secret softwares of our success, particularly on the in-spell side, where the, you know, the majority of our workforce sits.
That was announced in Q4 has been pushed out you know and on the labor side. You know, we we do all we can to get after that with productivity. It's really been one of the secret sauces of our success is particularly on the install side, where the you know the majority of our workforce sits.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: you know, the fact that we pay them on a P-Srate, you know, allows us to align their incentives with ours, right, the more productive we can make them, the more money they can make at the end of the week, which is what they care about. So, you know, we've done a really good job of offsetting, you know, labor inflation on that side with productivity as well as price. And, you know, nobody's done a better job with that, I think, and we'll continue to do that moving forward as well.
The fact that we pay them on a piece right you know allows us to align their incentives with hours right and the more productive we can make them the more money. They can make at the end of the week, which is what they care about so yeah. We've done a done a really good job of offsetting a labor inflation on that side with productivity as well as price.
Stephen Kim: You know, we bid these projects, maybe anticipating some inflation. So we've performed very well on those jobs, and then here in Q3, we probably had another, you know, 110 basis points to call it, about $15 million of benefit from that. So that's benefit we're not baking into our guidance going forward. We're certainly, and it's part of our culture of constant improvement to try to continue to achieve those levels, but it's not something we're baking into our guidance moving forward.
And you know nobody has done a better job of that I think we'll continue to do that moving forward as well.
Thank you.
Speaker 1: transcript
Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Adam Bumgarten with Zellman. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you art.
Stephen Kim: Okay. All right. Thanks very much, guys. Thank you.
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Speaker 9: Morning everyone. I mentioned that the fire glass installation price increase pushed out. Do you expect that to still be kind of highly realized? Just give them a, you know, a pick of demand or that, you know, potentially a risk of not being realized, but it was from the manufacturers.
Joe Al's Meyer: Our next question comes from the line of Joe Al's Meyer with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question. Hey, everybody.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
You mentioned that the fiberglass insulation price increases pushed out.
We expect that to still be kind of high.
Joe Al's Meyer: Can you grab some of the strong results? And thanks for taking the questions. Thanks, Joe. If we could just talk about the commercial business and the outlook going forward, I think there's some leading indicators showing some potential weakness and commentary from others in the industry about certain end markets within commercial, but you held the commercial industrial revenue guide flat. And I'm just curious if that is purely a reflection of the backlog you have now, and just how you might be thinking about the sales opportunity there year over year into next year.
Having realized just given the.
Uptake of demand or is that.
Actually at risk of not being realized.
Many factors.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: Yeah, more Adam, it's Robert. I think a little hard to say is that it's been pushed out and the traction wasn't as much in September , but given it's tightened up here in October , and the maintenance that we talked about earlier, I think it's probably got some better traction coming. And as we've always talked about before, we stay close to the manufacturers relative to that and have an ongoing discussion.
Yeah morning, Adam It's Robert I think little hard to say at the end that has been pushed out and the traction wasn't as much in September but given it's tightened up here in October and.
Again, the maintenance that we talked about earlier I think it's come up against some better traction coming in and as we've always talked about before we stay close to the manufacturers relative to that and have an ongoing ongoing discussions.
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Speaker 10: Okay, got it. It's helpful. And then just on SDI, I mean, it's been a few months now since you guys announced a deal to say incremental benefits that you're starting between the business and you kind of get under the hood here.
Okay got it that's helpful. And then just on SP I mean, it's been a few months now since you guys announced the deal just any incremental benefit that you're starting to see in the business as you kind of get under the Hood here.
Joe Al's Meyer: Hey, good morning, Joe Schrober. I think it just really speaks to what we've built and what the teams in the field are doing. So as we mentioned, we're agnostic to the type of projects. And as we bid, our work, we're looking at that mix of business as well as the what we're bidding. So it gives us a lot of bandwidth. So thank you. If you look at our light commercial work, which is just a reminder, the majority of our really all of our residential branches do that work.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: Well, we would say there is we, as we've gotten closer with the team there and this really, you know, obviously what we can do is planning integration and how that would look on the other side. Our confidence level just continues to rise and strengthen. I mean, it's a great team there. You know, great, great operations team as well as throughout the business, including the leadership team there. So I think our confidence is continues to grow as we talk about integration, what that looks like, you know, things about systems, levers, tools.
Well, we would say there is as we've gotten closer with the team there and it's really you know obviously, what we can do is planning integration and how that would look on the other side. Our competence level just continues to rise in strength and I mean, it's a great team there great great operations team as well as throughout the business, including the <unk>.
Joe Al's Meyer: And then our heavy commercial dedicated branches do that. So we see that as we're growing share from that perspective. And quite honestly, it's a part of the area, part of the business that we're investing in. I'll give you a couple examples. One is sales force. We're continuing to ask sales talent in that area across commercial industrial light heavy really across the business. And the number two you've heard us talk about our lead app tool that is really a fabulous tool for really bringing together leads across the business that exists today.
Shifting there so I think our confidence continues to grow as we talk about integration what that looks like you know think about systems leverage tools those types of things. So I think you heard in our prepared remarks, our confidence continues to strengthen there that acquisition.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: Those types of things, so I think you heard it in our prepared remarks. Our confidence continues to strengthen their that acquisition.
Okay. Thanks best of luck.
Speaker 1: transcript
Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of fill, eng with Jeffries. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Phil <unk> with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Joe Al's Meyer: And that's being rolled out to our industrial business here in the future. So I think it's, you know, we're optimistic about the growth there. And we're really confident of our ability to outperform in any environment based on the model that we've been able to around commercial industrial. Strayer. That's great.
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Speaker 11: Hey guys, I have a quick question on how we should think about the volume cadence through this year going to early next year. You mentioned Robert that single family, the pickup and single family starts kind of started flowing through later in the quarter. So have volumes, effectively bond out here and maybe we see a inflection by early next year.
Hey, guys I had a quick question on how we should think about the volume cadence through this year going into early next year.
You mentioned, Robert that single family to pick up in single family starts kind of started flowing through later in the quarter. So have volumes effectively bottomed out here and maybe we see a inflection by early next year and then on the multifamily side I mean, we can all appreciate starts out at a all time high right now, but silver into single family. This year there's a.
Robert Buck: And it also, something you said in the prepared remarks, peaked my interest around the co-locating of the branches. It sounded like this is more of a sales expansion effort, not really a cost reduction or consolidation, footprint consolidation effort. I don't think you mentioned this as part of the DI acquisition. First, do I have that right that this is sort of incremental to what you've talked about, and then understand that it'd be difficult to quantify it, certainly in advance.
Speaker 10: transcript
Speaker 11: And on the multi-family side, I mean, we could all appreciate start today at all time high right now, but still there's a single family this year. There's a lag dynamic on completion. So as it relates to completions on the multi-family side, what kind of impact should we expect on demand for you next year just because there's certainly some concerns around months?
Lag dynamic on completion, so as it relates to completions on the multifamily side, what kind of impact should we expect on demand for you next year, just because there is certainly some concerns around multifamily right now.
Robert Buck: But can you give us a sense, maybe, of how extensively you're going to pursue this strategy? Yeah, so we think there's great opportunity here as we look across. You're really, you're right. It's incremental and we said earlier, whenever we did the DI acquisition, we thought there were also opportunities and we could after those after that first round of improvements and synergies that we delivered on. So yeah, we think it is great opportunity to wear, you know, great footprint with DI, great footprint with service partners.
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Speaker 4: Yep, so this is Rob. So on the volume side of things, as you look at the guidance, we've put out there, I'd say if you back into it from a same branch perspective, we're looking at kind of flatish.
Yes, Joe this is Rob so on the on the volume side of things as you look at the guidance. We've put out there you know I'd say you know.
If you back into it from a from a same branch perspective, we're looking at you know kind of flattish.
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Speaker 4: fourth quarter there. You know, and that's probably with, you know, flatish volume, flatish price on a year-over-year basis. So some improvement on the single family side, but also, you know, the seasonality that usually comes in in the fourth quarter, and we're not anticipating a significant jump up there.
Fourth quarter, there and that's that's probably with you know flattish volume flattish price on a year over year basis. So so some improvement on the single family side, but also you know the seasonality that you usually comes in in the fourth quarter, we're not anticipating a significant jump up there.
Robert Buck: Now we're leveraging the best of the two as we look across. And, you know, early own I'd say we've identified, I'm going to call it, you know, eight, nine, ten locations. I will be looking to move forward with, and, you know, hard to quantify to your point. But we think this would be great where we have existing customer bases. Now we can serve them better and we would be growing those areas given the footprint that we would have capitalized upon. Good stuff. All right, best of luck. Thank you.
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Speaker 4: And then to your point, as we move into next year, we're definitely cautiously optimistic that single family will continue to improve as it has. Obviously, we've got to see how things play out with interest rates and the impacts of that. But we're cautiously optimistic there and the backlog we have on multi-family, we definitely feel it's going to last us into next year. How far that's going to last in the next year, we'll make that part of our guide when we talk to you in February .
And then to your point as we move into next year, where we're definitely cautiously optimistic that the single family you know we'll continue.
To improve as it has you know obviously, you've got to see how things play out with interest rates and the impacts of that but we're cautiously optimistic there and the backlog we have on multifamily we definitely feel it's going to last us into next year, how far that's going to last into next year, you will make that part of our guide when we when we talk to.
Ken Zener: Our next question comes from the line of Ken Zener with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. So focusing on distribution and kind of the commercial side, can you talk to how the recurring maintenance repair piece of that business, if you can talk about like what percent that is today, as well as, you know, with the SPI acquisition, if that's something that has been helping you guys relative to the market, you know, whatever that end of market demand is.
In February.
Speaker 10: transcript
Speaker 11: On pricing on your distribution side of things pricing was down a little bit. Do you see more risk of slippage from here? Any impact? I mean didn't impact your margins in a meaningful way, but anyway think about the impact there. Any color where you see more pressure I guess for absence of ray versus cyber.
Okay.
Pricing on your distribution side of things pricing was down a little bit do you see more risk of slippage from here.
Ken Zener: Yeah, so as we think about it today, Ken, that's probably about 25% of that special distribution revenue today. And then with the future of SPI, they get up to about a third of the revenue. So yeah, we think it is a stabilizing piece of the business and it really strapped, you know, goes across service partners, the I and SPI, whether you think about recurring items such as PPE around safety, or whether you think about some of the extreme conditions that some of the mechanical insulation is exposed to refineries, food and beverage, those types of things that really requires some regular repair and maintenance on those products.
Any impact I mean did it impact your margins in a meaningful way, but any way to think about the impact there and any color where you see more pressure I guess, perhaps as frey versus fiberglass.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil, this is Rob. So I'd say, you know, the pressure we saw there in the quarter was primarily driven by spray foam and gutters. And so as we move into Q4, I think, you know, I don't anticipate it and get significantly worse from where we are. But if something certainly will keep our eye on, and as you mentioned, you know, we're gonna do our best to maintain our margins and, you know, recover on the material side, anything we give up on the price side.
Yeah. Phil This is Rob So I'd say you know the the pressure we saw there in the quarter was primarily driven by spray foam and gutters.
And so as we move into Q4, I think you know I don't I don't anticipate and they're getting significantly worse from where we are but it's something certainly will keep our eye on and as you mentioned you know we're going to do our best to maintain our margins and recover on the materials side anything we gave up on on the price side.
Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1: transcript
Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Noah Merkuko with Stevens. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Noah <unk> with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.
Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions.
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Speaker 4: So first, I know there's been a lot of talk about price here, but you've got pricing moving in two different directions on these segments, on installation versus distribution. I guess just going forward.
So.
First I know there's been a lot of talk about price here, but you've got pricing moving in two different directions on these segments on installation versus distribution I guess just going forward.
Rob Kuhns: We think it's a great part of the business and something that we'll continue to build upon. And just one thing to point out there, Ken, on those numbers for the quarter on the commercial side for especially distribution. I mean, it was 1.7% growth, but we also have one last day than prior year, as well as we were comping a pretty tough quarter. So really the average daily sales for us on the commercial industrial side for especially distribution was a record this quarter.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: you know, should we continue to expect from some higher, I guess a greater amount of pricing power in the installation segment that even if we do see material availability increase that the installation pricing should outperform compared to distribution.
You know should we continue to expect from some higher I guess, a greater amount of pricing power in the installation segment that even if we do see a material availability increase that the installation pricing should outperform compared to distribution.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning, no less Robert. So, you know, as you look at that, obviously Rob mentioned that we saw some pressure on the distribution side spray foam gutters and some fiberglass as well in the quarter. Yeah, and then think about the install side. I would, I would,
Yeah. Good morning, Robert So as you look at that obviously, Rob mentioned that we saw some pressure on the distribution side spray foam gutters and some fiberglass as well in the quarter and then think about the install side I would I would you know what happened there more to productivity than I went pricey.
Rob Kuhns: So a really strong quarter there. Yeah, Rob, just sticking with that. I mean, it looks like an up to six comp last year, and then it's been down 5, down 3, down 3. Is, you know, does that imply that you might be going up against these easier comps? Or how should we think, you know, in terms of.., that perhaps next year.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: You know what happened there more to productivity than I would pricey. Again, where the team just continue to work, the labor efficiency sells productivity.
Again, we're the teams just continue to work the labor efficiency sales productivity and again, we talked about some of the tools that we put in place on that side of the business. So I think.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: And again, we talked about some of the tools that we put in place from that side of business. So I think you'll continue to see the team work, operational improvements, and efficiency in the business. But I did note it more than that, and I wear on the pricing side.
I think youll continue to see the teamwork operational improvements and efficiencies in the business, but I did notice more to that and I went on the pricing side and I think we will see what happens relative to the demand curve here, but as Rob mentioned, we see material getting tighter here in the quarter and we'll see how that plays out for the rest of the year and hadn't.
Rob Kuhns: I'm not sure the numbers you quoted there because on the special distribution side we would be up each quarter this year for sure on the commercial industrial side but you know it's going into the fourth quarter here I can tell you it's a pretty tough cop there we grew you know on a same branch basis around 7% last year on the special distribution side so you know pretty tough quarter and typically the fourth quarter on the mechanical inflation side things[inaudible] going to say I'm not going to say I'm not going to say Thank you.
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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, we'll see what happens relative to the demand curve here, but as Rob mentioned, we see material getting tighter here in the quarter. And we'll see how that plays out for the rest of the year and heading into 2024.
Into 2024.
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Speaker 4: And now, and this is Raba, I just add to that, I mean, just historically speaking, price tends to be a little stickier on the install side than it is on the distribution side.
Yeah, No and this is Rob I'd, just add to that I mean, just historically speaking price tends to be a little stickier on the on the install side than it is on the distribution side of things.
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Speaker 12: Got it, that's helpful. And then on my follow up, you know, leverage here really low below one turn. How are you thinking about balancing capital allocation towards M&A versus share repurchases?
Got it that's helpful. And then on my follow up you know leverage here really low below one turn how are you thinking about balancing capital allocation towards M&A versus share repurchases.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, this is Rob. So I mean, our strategy there really is unchanged, I'd say. You know, you layer in SPI, our net debt is quarter on a performance basis would have been about 1.59 times.
Yeah. No. This is Rob so I mean, our strategy. There really is unchanged I'd say you know you layer in S. P. I, our net debt this quarter on a pro forma basis would have been about 1.59 times, which is right in that targeted range of one to two that we're comfortable in so so.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: which is, you know, right in that target of range of one to two that we're comfortable in. So while we're a little bit lower, where we land it for the quarter, you know, I think with STI sitting, you know, just down the road from us here, we see that definitely going higher. And we're going to continue to...
We're a little bit lower where we landed for the quarter. You know I think with S. P. I sit and just down the road from US here, we see that definitely going higher and we're going to continue to to focus on capital allocation. Our strategy. There is to prioritize M&A and to continue to evaluate stock buybacks right in and obviously.
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Speaker 4: to focus on capital allocation, our strategy there is to prioritize M&A. And to continue to evaluate stock buybacks, right? And obviously at our evaluation today, we think that's an attractive opportunity as well. So we'll continue to evaluate both just like we have in the past. That all makes sense.
At our at our valuation is today, we think that's an attractive opportunity as well so we'll continue to evaluate both.
Just like we have in the past.
That all makes sense I'll leave it there thanks for taking the questions.
Thank you Don.
Okay.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Stevenson's with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Stevenson with loop capital markets. Please proceed with your question.
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Speaker 4: Alright, thanks for taking my questions and congrats on my nice quarter.
Hi, Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a nice quarter.
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Speaker 4: So you reported another quarter of healthy, high-single-digit commercial installation volume growth, and just wanted to be to talk more about the success you've had growing your commercial installation business. And whether you've seen any change in bidding activity as we move through the back half of the year, as some of the leading indicators have started to slow.
So you reported another quarter of healthy high single digit commercial installation volume growth I'm. Just wondering if you could talk more about the success you've had growing your commercial installation business and whether you've seen any change in bidding activity as we move through the back half of the year of some of the leading indicators have started to slow.
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Speaker 3: Jeff, this is Robert. So I'll have several points of that. Number one is just again, we're in that light commercial and heavy commercial space as well as the industrial space. So we really cover all the end markets. And all of our residential branches can do that light commercial work. And they're doing a fabulous job of betting that staying after it. Heavy commercial, we've not just driven growth in that. We've also driven operational improvements in that, which Rob hit on some of his.
Yes, Jeff This is Robert so I'll hit on several points of that number one is just again, we're in that light commercial and heavy commercial space as well as the industrial space. So we really cover all the end markets.
All of our residential branches can do that like commercial work and Theyre doing a fabulous job of bidding that staying after heavy commercial we've not just driven growth and that was also driven operational improvements in that which Rob hit on some of his commentary as well.
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Speaker 3: commentary as well. And I think, you know, as we, as we look across that, we continue to make investments. We continue to add sales talent. You heard just not about some cross selling opportunity. You've heard about a major investment we've made in a lead app tool, which is really exclusive to our business, part of our business. So I think those are the drivers. We've got our team focused on our team really buys into this multiple avenues of growth.
And I think you know as we as we look across that we continue to make investments we continue to add sales talent.
We're just not about some cross selling opportunity you've heard about a major investment we've made in our lead <unk>, two which is really exclusive to our business' proprietary to our business. So I think those are the drivers we've got a keen focus on our team really buys into this multiple avenues of growth.
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Speaker 3: And so I think you see that coming through in the results and our confidence in this piece of the business going forward, and again, we'll be building.
And so I think you see that coming through in the results and our confidence in this piece of the business going forward and again, what we built here.
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Speaker 4: Okay, understood. No, that makes sense. And then given your capital-life business model, I'm wondering if you had to make any adjustments to your workforce with the main continued to hold in better than the prior expectation.
Okay understood that makes sense and then given your capital light business model I'm wondering if you've had to make any adjustments to your workforce with demand continues to hold up better than our prior expectations.
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Speaker 3: No change in the workforce. I mean, we're always driving efficiency there. So again, back some of the margin performance you see that was driven by a lot of efficiency and continue things that we work in the business. But no adjustments given the nice growth that we're seeing and our outlook.
No no no change in the workforce I mean, we you know we're always driving efficiencies there. So again back to some of the margin performance you see that was driven by you know.
Lot of efficiencies and continued things that we work in the business, but no adjustments given the nice growth that we're seeing in our outlook.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you.
Phil Ng: Our next question comes from the line of Phil Ng with Jeffries. Please proceed with your question. Hey guys, I have a quick question on how we should think about the volume cadence through this year going to early next year. You mentioned Robert that single family, the pick up single family starts kind of started flowing through later in the quarter. So have volumes effectively bond out here and maybe we see an inflection by early next year.
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Speaker 11: Thank you, good morning, everybody. One of my questions have been asked already, but I just have one quick one. So a lot of talk about fiberglass availability. Can you talk about availability and pricing trends in some of the more commercial and mechanical areas, anywhere that you have any particular ones that you expect to remain tight in the 24 any areas that could be at risk of kind of loosening up?
Thank you good morning, everybody.
Most of my questions have been.
Hum asked already but I just have one.
Quick ones. So a lot of talk about fiberglass availability can you talk about.
Availability and pricing trends in some of the more commercial and mechanical areas anywhere that you any particular ones that you expect to remain tight into 'twenty for any areas that could be at risk of kind of loosening up.
Phil Ng: And then on the multi family side, I mean we could all appreciate start today that all time high right now. But similar to single family this year, there's a lag dynamic on completion. So as it relates to completions on the multi family side, what kind of impact should we expect on demand for you next year? Or just because there's certainly some concerns throughout multi family right now?
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: No, I mean, there hasn't been, you know, considerable inflation in some of those products. I mean, there's some products that are still kind of tight. And I think about mineral walls, some of those products are definitely still tight in the industry.
No I mean, there hasnt been a you know consider.
Considerable inflation in some of those products I mean, there there are some products that are still kind of tie in I think about mineral wool. Some of those products are definitely still tight.
Rob Kuhns: Yep, so this is Rob. So on the volume side of things, as you look at the guidance we've put out there, you know, I'd say, you know, if you back into it, you know, from a from a same branch perspective, we're looking at, you know, kind of flatish fourth quarter there. You know, and that's probably with, you know, flatish volume, flatish price on a year over year basis. So some improvement on the single family side, but also, you know, the seasonality that usually comes in in the fourth quarter.
And the industry.
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Speaker 3: And then from a pricing perspective, the only thing I'd mention is on the mechanical side or what the industry calls C&I commercial and industrial, there is an industry announced price increase out there in that piece of the business. And we'll call that in January of 2024. Not unusual for that piece of the industry to announce increases at the beginning of the year. So look at how that plays out, but that's out there in the future and has been announced by the manufacturer.
From a pricing perspective, the only thing I'd mentioned is on the mechanical side or what the industry calls C&I commercial industrial there is an industry announced price increase out there in that piece of the business.
And we'll call that in January of 2024, not unusual for that piece of the industry to announce increases at the beginning of the year. So we'll see how that plays out but that's that's out there in the future and has been announced by the manufacturers.
Rob Kuhns: And we're not anticipating a significant jump up there. And then to your point, you know, as we move into next year, we're definitely cautiously optimistic that single family, you know, will continue to improve as it has. You know, obviously we've got to see how things play out with interest rates and the impacts of that, but we're cautiously optimistic there. And the backlog we have on multi family, we definitely feel it's going to last us, you know, into next year.
Rob Kuhns: How far that's going to last in the next year, you know, we'll make that part of our guide when we talk to you in February. Okay.
Speaker 10: transcript
Speaker 11: Okay, I said one question, but one quick follow up since you brought up mineral wool. I've heard we've heard increased usage in the residential space, you know, town homes have gained theme. I guess you gotta use it in that area. Is that something you guys do and maybe have elevated share on given your commercial exposure maybe relevant to some of your peers?
Okay.
One question, but one quick follow up since you brought up mineral wall.
I've heard we've heard increased usage in <unk>.
The residential space Townhomes have gained theme I guess, you've got to use it in that area is that something you guys do and maybe you have.
Elevated share on given your commercial exposure, maybe relative to some of your peers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're probably the largest player in mineral wool for both in Canada and the US. Obviously, a lot in the commercial space, some in some high rise multi-unit type of development with the definitely big user on the commercial site. So, very familiar with the product, and we really use it across the footprint. The product.
Yeah, I think we're probably the largest player in mineral wool, both in Canada, and the U S. Obviously, a lot in the commercial space, some and some high rise multi unit type of development, but definitely big user on the on the commercial side, so very familiar with the product and we really use that across the footprint.
Phil Ng: And on pricing on your distribution side of things pricing was down a little bit. Do you see more risk of slippage from here? Any impact? I mean, didn't impact your margins in the meaningful way, but anyways, think about the impact there. And any color where you see more pressure, I guess, for absence of ray versus fiberglass.
Great. Thanks, Congrats on the strong results guys.
Rob Kuhns: Yeah, Phil, this is Rob. So I'd say, you know, the pressure we saw there in the quarter was primarily driven by spray foam and gutters. And so as we move into Q4, I think, you know, I don't, I don't anticipate and get and significantly worse from where we are. But if something certainly will keep our eye on, and as you mentioned, you know, we're going to do our best to maintain our margins and, you know, recover on the material side, anything we give up on the price side. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Thanks, Nick.
Speaker 1: transcript
Speaker 1: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with tourist securities. Please proceed with your questions.
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Speaker 12: transcript
Speaker 13: Thank you. Question on true team. You call it out the strong commercial multi-family. As a percentage, what are those two representatives of true team sales?
Thank you question on true team, you've called out the strong commercial multifamily.
As a percentage what are those two represent a true T cells, what's the run rate.
Speaker 4: transcript
Speaker 4: Commercial runs about 15% of total two teen sales and then on multi-family we're going to be indexed in learn to what the industry is there so the split will be our residential be split similar to what the industry sales
Commercial runs about 35 or I'm, sorry, it runs about 15% of total <unk> sales and then on multifamily. We're gonna be you know index similar to what the industry is there. So the split will be a residential will be split similar to what the industry sales are.
Noah Maracucco: Our next question comes from the line of Noah Maracucco with Stevens. Please proceed with your question.
Robert Buck: Good morning. And thanks for taking my questions. So first, I know there's been a lot of talk about price here, but you've got pricing moving in two different directions on these segments on installation versus distribution. I guess just going forward, you know, should we continue to expect from some higher, I guess, a greater amount of pricing power in the installation segment that even if we do see material availability increase that installation pricing should outperform compared to distribution.
Speaker 12: transcript
Speaker 13: You mean versus what we say on Starrix or what's the benchmark?
So you mean versus what we see on starts or what's the benchmark you're referring to.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a multi-family, a little tougher because, you know, the shopping is in the starts and completions data, but probably completions would be the best thing to look at there.
Yeah.
Our multifamily its a little little tougher because you know the choppiness.
Dropping it in the in the starts and completions data, but probably completions would be the best thing to look at there.
Speaker 12: transcript
Speaker 13: And then just a big picture question, you know, with the move up and right in the last month or so. Are you getting any reports from your builder customers? How about affected orders? Inflating down notably in any...
And then just a big picture question, you know with the move up in rates in the last month or so are you getting any reports from your builder customers, how that's affected orders wiping.
Let them down notably in any kind of intelligence will be helpful.
Robert Buck: Yeah, good morning, Noah's Robert. So, you know, as you look at that, obviously Rob mentioned that we saw some pressure on the distribution side spray foam gutters and some fiberglass as well in the quarter. And then think about the install side, I would do know what happened there more to productivity than I would pricing. Again, where the team just continue to work, the labor efficiency sells productivity. And again, we talked about some of the tools that we put in place on that side of business.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Keith, this is Robert. So, you know, production builders are pretty positive. You know, they talk about the buy down in the rates and that kind of, you know, less than six being the magical number. So they're still very active in the buy downs. And they're pretty, you know, I say optimistic for growth in 2024. You've seen some of their public announcements. Some of them are doing a nice job with new community count.
Yeah. Keith this is Robert so production builders are pretty positive and then you talked about the buy down in the rates in that kind of you know less than six being the magical number. So they are still very active in a buy downs in.
And Theyre pretty you know I'd say optimistic for growth in 'twenty 'twenty four you would see some of their public announcements some of them are doing a nice job with new community counts those types of things so production builders I say optimistic.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: Those types of things. So production builders, I say optimistic, you know, I say the smaller private builders, you kind of talk more of a flat environment and some of the impact for them. So I think you can probably expect to see production builders continue to grow and maybe some of the other smaller builders more of a flat outlook for the future.
Robert Buck: So, I think you'll continue to see the team work, operational improvements and efficiency in the business. But I did note it more to that than I wear on the pricing side. And I think, you know, we'll see what happens relative to the demand curve here. But as Rob mentioned, we see material getting tighter here in the quarter. And we'll see how that plays out for the rest of the year and head into 2024.
The smaller private builders, you were kind of talking more of a flat environment in some of the impact for them. So I think you can probably expect to see production builders continue to grow and maybe some of the other smaller voters are more of a flat outlook for the future.
Okay. Thank you thank.
Thank you.
Robert Buck: And now, and this is Rob, I just add to that. I mean, just historically speaking, price tends to be a little stickier on the on the install side than it is on the distribution side of things. Got it. That's helpful.
Thank you.
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Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: Hi, good morning. It's, it's, it's really thanks for taking my question.
Hi, Good morning, it's Chris Thanks for taking my question.
Rob Kuhns: And then on my follow-up, you know, leverage here really low below one turn. How are you thinking about balancing capital allocation towards M&A versus share repurchases? Yeah, no, this is Rob. So, I mean, our strategy there really is unchanged, I'd say. You know, you layer in SPI, our net debt is quarter on a performance basis would have been about 1.59 times, which is, you know, right in that target of range of one to two that we're comfortable in.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: I wanted to ask on the fourth quarter guidance, if I look at the midpoint, sales are sort of being guided to flat year over year, which implies a slight decline organically.
Just I wanted to ask on the fourth quarter guidance. If I look at the midpoint sales are sort of being guided to flat year over year.
Which implies a slight decline organically.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: which is the slowest growth of the year or the worst record the year despite will be kind of the easiest comp.
Which is the slowest growth of the of the year or the worst or bankruptcy year, despite would be kind of the easiest comp.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: Are there incremental headwinds or parts of the business that are softening as you're starting to see single-family business improve? Can you just help us understand the fourth quarter guidance kind of relative to your entry expectation?
Or are there incremental headwinds or are parts of the business that are softening.
As you're starting to see singles the single family business improved can you just help us understand the fourth quarter guidance kind of relative to your expectations.
Rob Kuhns: So, while we're a little bit lower, where we land it for the quarter, you know, I think with SPI sitting, you know, just down the road from us here, we see that definitely going higher and we're going to continue to, you know, focus on capital allocation, our strategy there is to prioritize M&A and to continue to evaluate stock buybacks, right? And obviously, at our at our valuations today, we think that's an attractive opportunity as well. So, we'll continue to evaluate both, just like we have in the past. That all makes sense.
Speaker 13: transcript
Speaker 14: Yep, yep, so this is Rob. So I think, you know, if you take that midpoint of the guide and you kind of break it out between residential and commercial, it's basically going to be flat for both in the fourth quarter. You know, commercial, definitely, as we've talked about, and we talked about in the last call the second half of the year, definitely a little tougher comp than the first half.
Yeah, Yeah. That's right. So this is Rob so I think the if you if you take the midpoint of the guide.
You kind of break it out between <unk>.
Residential and commercial.
It's basically going to be flat for both in the fourth quarter you know.
Commercial definitely as we've talked about it when we talked about on the last call. The second half of the year definitely a little tougher comp than the first half. So so nothing alarming going on in the commercial side.
Rob Kuhns: I'll leave it there. Thanks for taking the questions. Thank you.
Speaker 13: transcript
Speaker 14: So, nothing alarming going on on the commercial side. Normal, seasonal, slow down in the fourth quarter, nothing above that. And then on the residential side of things, right?
Jeff Stevenson: Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Stevenson with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the nice quarter.
You know normal seasonal slowdown in the fourth quarter nothing above that and then on the on the residential side of things right. If you think about it last year in the fourth quarter or the single family side, we were still benefiting from the backlog of work that was out there. So if you look at you know the Q4 complete.
Speaker 13: transcript
Speaker 14: If you think about it last year in the fourth quarter, the single family side, we were still benefiting from the backlog of work that was out there. So if you look at the Q4 completions of last year, and you compare those to the Q3 start,
Robert Buck: So, you reported another quarter of healthy, high-single-digit commercial installation volume growth and just wanted to be to talk more about the success you've had growing your commercial installation business and whether you've seen any change in bidding activity as we move through the back half of the year as some of the leading indicators have started to slow. Yeah, Jeff, this is Robert. So, I have several points to that. Number one is just, again, you know, we're in that light commercial and heavy commercial space as well as the industrial space.
<unk> of last year, right and you compare those to the Q3 starts that just happened right that we'll be completing here in the fourth quarter. They were about 5% greater than what we saw so that's that's really the the volume slowdown where were projecting their year over year.
Speaker 13: transcript
Speaker 14: that just happened, right, that will be completing here in the fourth quarter. They were about 5% greater than what we saw. So that's really the volume slowdown. We're projecting there, here we are.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: Got it. That's very helpful. And then in the quarter in a softer single family environment, you still been able to maintain pricing and obviously the margin performance was really strong when completions are down.
Got it got it that's very helpful and then in the quarter and a softer single family environment, and you've still been able to maintain pricing and obviously the margin performance was really strong with completions are down.
Robert Buck: So, we really cover all the end markets and, you know, all of our residential branches can do that like commercial work and they're doing a fabulous job of bidding that and after it, heavy commercial. We've not just driven growth in that. We've also driven operational improvements in that which Rob hit on some of his commentary as well. And I think, you know, as we as we look across that, we continue to make investments.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: Can you just talk about your ability to hold prices as builders are trying to solve the affordability issue? Are you seeing pushback at all from the builders in terms of pricing? I don't know, there's another price hike, which manufacturers are trying to push through here. Like how do you think about maintaining margins, pushing?
Can you just talk about your ability to.
Hold prices as builders are trying to solve the affordability issue are you seeing pushback at all from the builders in terms of pricing I know, there's another price hike, which manufacturers are trying to push through here like how do you think about maintaining margins pushing price.
Robert Buck: We continue to add sales talent. You heard just about some cross-selling opportunities. You've heard about a major investment we've made in a lead app tool, which is really exclusive to our business, part of our business. So, I think those are the drivers. We've got our team focused on our team really buys into this multiple avenues of growth. And so, I think you see that, you know, coming through in the in the results and, you know, our confidence in this piece of the business going forward and, again, we'll be building, here. Okay, understood. No, that makes sense.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: in an environment where builders are trying to keep the cost of construction.
In an environment, where builders are trying to keep the cost of construction down.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if this is Robert, it's cost of discussion with the builders, you know, around those points, but I think as you've seen some spikes and stuff, they value the service that we bring, they value the labor that we have on a consistent basis for them where we can handle those spikes. And if you take this time of year, where big builders are going through their closures, they're here in closing and
Yeah. So this is Robert so its constant discussion with the builders around those points, but I think as you know you've seen you've seen some spikes and stuff they value. The service that we bring the value of the labor that we have on a consistent basis for them, where we can handle those spikes and if you take this time of year.
Robert Buck: And then given your capital-life business model, I'm wondering if you had to make any adjustments to your workforce with the main continued to hold in better than prior expectations. No, no change in the workforce. I mean, we, you know, we're always driving efficiency there. So again, back some of the margin for which you see that was driven by, you know, a lot of efficiency and continue things that we work in the business, but no adjustments given the, the nice growth that we're seeing and, and our outlook. Great, thank you. Thank you.
Here with big builders are going through their closures are there here in closings and you know they can have 60 70 units become available at one time that plays to our strength to move labor around materials and assets and stuff. So it's a constant discussion, but we do believe they value what we bring forward and so I think from that perspective.
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Speaker 3: You know, they can have, you know, 60, 70 units become available one time. That's like our strength has been a little labor around and materials and assets and stuff. So it's a constant discussion, but we do believe they value what we bring forward. And so I think from that perspective, our team's done a nice job with the pricing and, you know, continuing to show that value.
Our team has done a nice job with the pricing and you know continuing to to show that value to the builders.
Speaker 14: transcript
Speaker 15: And one more just quick one on SPI, so I can put it in. Can you just talk about the timing? I felt previously you were expecting the force quarter. I could be wrong. I think you said it was gonna be 2024, just where are you in that process and what's your best guess on when it comes to...
And one more just quick one on SP I, if I can put it in could you just talk about the timing I thought previously you were expecting the fourth quarter I could be wrong.
Reuben Garner: Our next question comes from the line of Reuben Garner with Dean Benchmark Company. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Most of my questions have been asked already, but I just have one quick one. So a lot of talk about fiberglass availability. Can you talk about availability and pricing trends in some of the more commercial and mechanical areas anywhere that you, any particular ones that you expect to remain tight in the 24, any areas that could be at risk of kind of losing up?
I think you said he was gonna be 'twenty 'twenty four just where are you in that process and what's your best guess on when it closes.
Speaker 3: transcript
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're saying 2024 things are progressing well. You know, continuing to work going through the regulatory process, but you know, as we all know, it's a new regulatory process takes a little longer, but you know, we've been through before, and we're just working the normal processes you would expect there. So at least, say 2024 with the holidays and everything coming up that's fully what we expect.
Yeah. So we're saying 2024 things are progressing well continues.
To work going through the regulatory process, but you know as we all know as a new regulatory process takes a little longer but we've been through before and we're just working the normal the normal process as you would expect there. So when we say 2024 with the holidays and everything coming up that's fully what we expect.
Yeah.
Reuben Garner: No, I mean, there, there hasn't been, you know, considerable inflation in some of those products. I mean, there, there's some products that are still kind of tight. And I think about mineral walls, some of those products are definitely still tight in the industry. And then from a pricing perspective, nothing I'd mention is on the mechanical side or what the industry calls C&I commercial and industrial. There is an industry announced price increase out there in that piece of the business.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to pass the floor back over to management for closing remarks.
Thank you there are no further questions at this time I would like to pass the floor back over to management for closing remarks.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us today. We look forward to talking with you in February to share Q4 and full year results. Thank you.
Thank you for joining us today, we look forward to talking with you in February to share our Q4 and full year results. Thank you.
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Reuben Garner: And we'll call that in January of 2024. Not unusual for that piece of the industry to announce increases at the beginning of the year. So look at how that plays out, but that's out there in the future and has been announced by the manufacturers. Okay.
You for your participation.
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Robert Buck: I said one question, but one quick follow up since you brought up mineral wall. I've heard, we've heard increased usage in the residential space, you know, townhomes have gained theme. I guess you've got to use it in that area. That's something you guys do. And maybe you have elevated share on given your commercial exposure, maybe relative to some of your peers. Yeah, I think we're probably the largest player in mineral wall by both the Canada and the US.
Speaker 15: transcript
Speaker 16: Oh.
Speaker 15: transcript
Speaker 16: Good Z.
Robert Buck: Obviously, a lot in the commercial space. Some in some high rise multi-unit type of development, but definitely a big user on the commercial side. So very familiar with the product and we really use it across the footprint. Great, thanks.
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Speaker 16: So.
Operator: Congrats on the strong results, guys. Thank you.
Keith Hughes: Our next question comes from the line of Keith Hughes with tourist securities. Please proceed with your question. Thank you.
Oh.
Mhm.
Robert Buck: Question on true team. You called out the strong commercial multi-family. As a percentage, what are those two representatives of true team sales? What's the run rate? Commercial runs about 15% of total true team sales. And then on multi-family, we're going to be, you know, index similar to what the industry is there. So the split will be, our residential will be split similar to what the industry sells, as well. You mean versus what we see on starts, or what's the benchmark you're referring to? Yeah, it's a multi-family, it's a little tougher because, you know, the sharpiness in the starts and completions data, but probably completions would be the best thing to look at there. Okay.
Hum.
Robert Buck: And then just a big picture question, you know, with the move up and rates in the last month or so, are you getting any reports in your builder customers, how about affected orders, influencing down notably in any kind of intelligence will be helpful? Yeah, Keith, this is Robert. So, you know, production builders are pretty positive, and they talk about the buy-down and the rates and that kind of, you know, less than six being the magical numbers, so they're still very active in the buy-downs.
Robert Buck: And they're pretty, you know, I say optimistic for growth in 2024. You've seen some of their public announcements. Some of them are doing a nice job with new community counts, those types of things. So, production builders, I say optimistic, you know, I say the smaller private builders, you kind of talking more of a flat environment and some of the impact for them. So, I think you can probably expect to see, you know, production builders continue to grow, and maybe some of the other smaller builders more of a flat outlook for the future. Okay. Thank you.
Rafe Jorriski: Our next question comes from the line of Rafe Jorriski with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question. Hi, good morning. It's Rafe. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask on the fourth quarter guidance. If I look at the midpoint, sales are sort of being guided to flat year over year, which implies a slight decline organically, which is the slowest growth of the year or the worst of record of the year, despite would be kind of the easiest comp.
Rafe Jorriski: Are there incremental headwinds or parts of the business that are softening? As you're starting to see the single family business improved, can you just help us understand the fourth quarter guidance kind of relative to your entry expectations?
Rob Kuhns: Yeah, Rafe, so this is Rob. So, I think, you know, if you take that midpoint of the guide and you kind of break it out between residential and commercial, it's basically going to be flat for both in the fourth quarter. You know, commercial, definitely, as we've talked about, and we talked about in the last, called the second half of the year, definitely a little tougher comp than the first half. So, nothing alarming going on on the commercial side.
Rob Kuhns: You know, normal, seasonal, slow down in the fourth quarter, nothing above that. And then on the residential side of things, right? If you think about it last year in the fourth quarter, the single family side, we were still benefiting from the backlog of work that was out there. So, if you look at, you know, the Q4 completions of last year, right, and you compare those to the Q3 starts that just happened, right, that will be completing here in the fourth quarter. They were about 5% greater than what we saw. So, that's really the volume slowdown we're projecting there, here over here. Here.
Robert Buck: Got it. That's very helpful. And then in the quarter in a softer single family environment, you've still been able to maintain pricing and obviously the margin performance was really strong when completions are down. Can you just talk about your ability to hold prices as builders are trying to solve the affordability issue? Are you seeing pushback at all from the builders in terms of pricing? I don't know. There's another price hike, which manufacturers are trying to push through here. Like, how do you think about maintaining margins, pushing price in an environment where builders are trying to keep the cost of construction down?
Robert Buck: Yes, this is Robert. It's cost of discussion with the builders around those points, but I think as you've seen some spikes and stuff, they value the service that we bring, they value the labor that we have on a consistent basis for them where we can handle those spikes. If you take this time of year, where big builders are going through their closures, their hearing closings, and you know, they can have 60, 70 units become available one time.
Robert Buck: That place, our strength has been a little labor around the materials and assets and stuff. It's cost of discussion, but we do believe they value what we bring forward. And so I think from that perspective, our team's done a nice job with the pricing and continuing to show that value to the builders.
Rob Kuhns: And one more quick one on SPI. Can you just talk about the timing? I felt previously you were expecting the force quarter. I could be wrong. I think you said it was going to be 2024. Where are you in that process and what's your best guess on when it closes? Yeah, so we're saying 2024 things are progressing well, you know, continued to work going through the regulatory process, but you know, as we all know, so new regulatory process takes a little longer, but you know, we've been through before and we're just working the normal, the normal process as you would expect there. So we say 2024 with the holidays and everything coming up.
Operator: That's fully what we expect. Great. Thank you. There are no further questions at this time.
Operator: I would like to pass the floor back over to management for closing remarks. Thank you for joining us today. We look forward to talking with you in February to share Q4 and four-year results. Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. Thank you.
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