Q3 2023 Blue Owl Capital Corp Earnings Call

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Operator 2: At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Dana Sclafani, Head of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Greetings and welcome to the Blue Owl Rock Capital Corporation third quarter 2023 earnings call.

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Dana Sclafani: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Blue Owl Capital Corporation's Q3 earnings call. Joining me this morning are our Chief Executive Officer, Craig Packer, and our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer, Jonathan Lamm. We're also joined this Q3 by senior members of our team, including Alexis Maged, our Chief Credit Officer, and Logan Nicholson, who joined the firm in September and served as a portfolio manager for several of our diversified direct lending funds, including OBDC. I'd like to remind our listeners that remarks made during today's call may contain forward-looking statements which are not a guarantee of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that are outside the company's control. Actual results may differ materially from those in forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described in OBDC's filings with the SEC.

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Dana Sclafani: The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Certain information discussed on this call and in our earnings material, including information related to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. The company makes no such representations or warranties with respect to this information. OBDC's earnings release, 10-Q, and supplemental earnings presentation are available on the investor relations section of our website at blueowlcapitalcorporation.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Craig.

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Craig Packer: Thanks, Dana. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today. In Q3, we saw continued strong momentum, delivering excellent credit performance across the portfolio and another quarter of record earnings. Net investment income was $0.49 per share, reflecting our third consecutive quarter of record NII. This was driven by increased interest income due to higher rates, solid dividend income, and our resilient portfolio performance. These increased earnings translated into an attractive return on equity of 12.7%, in addition to growing distribution for our shareholders. Based on our earnings well in excess of the regular dividends, our board has declared a supplemental dividend for Q3 of $0.08 per share. Coupled with our previously declared regular dividend of $0.33, this equates to total dividends paid for Q3 of $0.41.

Thanks, Dana good morning, everyone and thank you all for joining us today.

In the third quarter, we saw continued strong momentum.

Excellent credit performance across the portfolio and another quarter of record earnings.

Net investment income was 49 per share, reflecting our third consecutive quarter record NII.

This was driven by decreased interest income due to higher rates solid dividend income.

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These increased earnings translated into an attractive return on equity of 12, 7%.

In addition to growing distributions for our shareholders.

Based on our earnings well in excess of the regular dividend.

Our board has declared a supplemental dividend for the third quarter.

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Coupled with our previously declared regular dividend 33.

This equates to total dividends paid for the third quarter of 41.

Craig Packer: Reflecting our confidence in both the sustainability of NII and the continued credit performance of our portfolio, our board has also approved a $0.02 increase to our regular dividend, increasing the Q4 regular dividend to $0.35 per share. The business is generating record earnings, and we continue to share those earnings with our shareholders. This is the 2nd increase in our base dividend since the Q2 2022, and our total dividend of $0.41 for the Q3 represents a more than 30% increase in our total quarterly dividend during this period. Net asset value per share increased to $15.40, up $0.14 from the Q2. This marks the highest NAV per share since our inception. Our non-accrual rate remains low at 0.9% of the fair value of the debt portfolio, with just three names on non-accrual, unchanged from last quarter.

Reflecting our confidence in both the sustainability of NII and the continued credit performance of our portfolio.

Our board has also approved a two cent decrease to a regular dividend increase in the fourth quarter regular dividend of <unk> 35 per share.

The business is generating record earnings and we continue to share those earnings and our shareholders.

This is the second increase in our base dividend since the second quarter 2022 and.

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The third quarter represents a more than 30% increase in our total quarterly dividend during this period.

Net asset value per share increased to $15 40.

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This marks the highest NAV per share since our inception.

Our non accrual rate may slow at 25% the fair value of the debt.

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Three names on non accrual unchanged from last quarter.

Craig Packer: We continue to demonstrate our ability to resolve non-accruals and protect our principal. Since inception, we have deployed over $25 billion of capital and experienced a net loss ratio of only 15 basis points. Our borrowers' operating performance remains solid, continuing to reflect the strength of the US economy. Consistent with last quarter, our borrowers reported modest quarterly growth in revenues and EBITDA, with many borrowers delivering margin expansion as a result of price increases and moderating inflation levels. Borrowers' performance has grown steadily over the last past year. On a year-over-year basis, our borrowers reported revenue and EBITDA growth of roughly 10% to 12% for each of the last two quarters. Our largest sectors, software, insurance, food, beverage, and healthcare, continue to deliver strong results, reflecting the durable nature of these industries and the less discretionary services they provide.

We continue to demonstrate our ability to resolve non accruals and protect our principle.

Since inception, we have deployed over $25 billion of capital and experienced a net loss ratio only 15 basis points.

Our borrowers operating performance remains solid.

She is going to reflect the strength of the U S economy.

Consistent with last quarter, our borrowers reported modest quarterly growth revenues and EBITDA.

With many borrowers delivering margin expansion as a result of price increases and moderating inflation levels.

Borrowers performance has grown steadily over the last past year.

On a year over year basis, our borrowers reported revenue EBITDA growth roughly 10% to 12% for each of the last two quarters.

Our largest sectors software assurance food beverage and health care.

GE to deliver strong results.

The durable nature of these industries.

Less discretionary services they provide.

Craig Packer: We believe the portfolio will continue to be resilient and to perform in line with our underwriting expectations. Even still, we are closely monitoring the impact of the higher rate environment on our portfolio. Over the course of this year, we have seen interest coverage levels come down as rates have increased, with coverage moving from 2.3x to 1.8x today. While the rate outlook today is higher than it was 6 months ago, the impact on coverage ratios has been meaningfully mitigated by better than expected operating performance. Although rates are higher, we continue to believe interest coverage ratios will reach trough levels of mid 1x in H1 2024. We expect that the vast majority of our borrowers will maintain an adequate coverage cushion and strong operating performance through this period.

We believe the portfolio will continue to be resilient.

Perform in line with our underwriting expectations.

Even still we are closely monitoring the impact of a higher rate environment on our portfolio.

Over the course of this year, we have seen interest coverage levels come down as rates have increased.

Average moving from two three times to one eight times today.

While the rate outlook today is higher than it was six months ago.

The impact on coverage ratios, it's been meaningfully mitigated by better than expected operating performance.

As a result, although rates are higher and continue to believe interest coverage ratios or its trough levels mid one times in the first half 2024.

We expect that the vast majority of our borrowers will maintain an adequate coverage cushion and strong operating performance through this period.

Craig Packer: The list of borrowers who we believe could see more challenged liquidity needs remain small. Our underwriting and portfolio management teams remain very focused and engaged with these borrowers. We believe any challenges will be manageable across our portfolio as a whole. We continue to be very pleased with the performance of our companies despite the higher rates. With that, I'll turn it over to Jonathan to provide more detail on our financial results.

The list of borrowers, who we believe could see more challenged liquidity needs remains small.

Our underwriting and portfolio management teams remain very focused engaged with these borrowers.

We believe any challenges will be manageable across our portfolio as a whole.

We continue to be very pleased with the performance of our companies despite the higher rates.

With that I'll turn it over to Jonathan Reich for detail on our financial results.

Jonathan Lamm: Thanks, Craig. We ended the Q with total portfolio investments of $12.9 billion, outstanding debt of $7.1 billion, and total net assets of $6 billion. Our Q3 NAV per share was $15.40, a $0.14 increase from our Q2 NAV per share of $15.26, largely attributed to the continued over-earning of our dividends from NII, as well as the net unrealized gains in the portfolio. Year over year, we have grown NAV by 3.7%, in addition to paying out 10.2% in distributions, which equates to a total return of 13.9%. In terms of deployment, we continue to largely match originations with repayments to maintain a fully invested portfolio. OBDC had $500 million of new investment commitments, of which $387 million were funded, offset by the $390 million of repayments for the Q.

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We ended the quarter with total portfolio investments of 12.9 billion outstanding debt of $7 $1 billion.

And total net assets of $6 billion.

Our third quarter NAV per share was $15, 40% to 14% increase from our second quarter NAV per share of $15 26.

Largely attributed to the continued over earning our dividend from NII as well as the net unrealized gains in the portfolio.

Year over year, we have grown now by three 7%. In addition to paying out two 2% in distributions, which equates to a total return of 13, 9%.

In terms of deployment, we continue to largely match originations with repayments to maintain a fully invested portfolio.

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New investment commitments of which $387 million were funded.

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Jonathan Lamm: The weighted average total yield of the portfolio was 11.8%, up from 10% in Q3 of the prior year. Turning to the income statement. We earned a record $0.49 per share in Q3, up from $0.48 per share in the prior quarter. Based on these results, our board declared a supplemental dividend of $0.08 per share for Q3 2023, which will be paid on 15 December to shareholders of record on 30 November. For Q4 2023, our board has increased our regular dividend $0.35 per share, which we believe is still a very comfortable level relative to our earnings power, and we expect to continue to declare and pay supplemental dividends quarterly to provide further distributions to shareholders. The Q4 dividend will be paid on or before 12 January to shareholders of record as of 29 December.

The weighted average total yield for the portfolio was 11, 8% up from 10% in the third quarter of the prior year.

Turning to the income statement.

We earned a record 49 per share in the third quarter up from 48 per share in the prior quarter.

Based on these results our board declared a supplemental dividend of eight <unk> per share for the third quarter of 2023.

Which will be paid on December 15 to shareholders of record on November 30.

For the fourth quarter of 2023, our board has increased our regular dividend <unk> 35 per share.

Which we believe is still a very comfortable well level relative to our earnings power.

We expect to continue to declare and pay supplemental dividends quarterly to provide further distributions to shareholders.

Our fourth quarter dividend will be paid on or before January 12 to shareholders of record as of December 29.

Jonathan Lamm: Since we instituted the supplemental dividend in Q3 2022, we have paid out $0.28 of additional dividends per share. This dividend structure provides increased income to our shareholders while also allowing us to build NAV through excess earnings. As a result, we have $0.26 of spillover income through the end of Q3. OBDC continues to benefit from its flexible balance sheet and well-diversified financing structure. Overall, we continue to maintain significant liquidity of $1.9 billion. We ended the quarter with net leverage of 1.13 times, in line with the prior quarter and within our target range. With that, I'll turn it back to Craig for closing comments.

Since we instituted the supplemental dividends in the third quarter of 2022, we.

We have paid out 28 cents.

Additional dividends per share.

This dividend structure provides increased income to our shareholders, while also allowing us to build NAV through excess earnings.

As a result, we have 26 cents a spillover income through the end of the third quarter.

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Overall, we continue to maintain significant liquidity of $1 $9 billion and we ended the quarter with net leverage of 113 times in line with the prior quarter and within our target range.

With that I'll turn it back to Craig for closing comments.

Craig Packer: Thanks, Jonathan. I'd like to spend some time addressing one of the most frequent questions we're hearing today. How will borrowers fare in a higher for longer rate environment? Interest coverage is the metric that is most widely cited, and it is certainly a meaningful high-level statistic to assess the health of the portfolio. However, in our ongoing portfolio monitoring, we evaluate borrowers on many different metrics to give us a more comprehensive perspective. In addition to interest coverage, free cash flow, and liquidity expectations, we believe loan to value and potential equity owner support are also key considerations in assessing the overall health of our borrowers. Over the course of the year, private equity owners have been proactive in addressing the higher rate environment through cost-cutting initiatives and liquidity management. These include reducing operating costs, improving working capital, and reducing capital expenditures and acquisition spending.

Thanks, Jonathan.

Like to spend some time addressing one of the most frequent questions. We are hearing today.

Ours, there are higher for longer rate environment.

Interest coverage is the metric that is most widely cited.

It is certainly meaningful high level statistics to assess the health of the portfolio.

However, in our ongoing portfolio monitoring.

Valuate borrowers on many different metrics you can give us a more comprehensive perspective.

In addition to interest coverage pretty cash flow and liquidity expectations.

We believe loan to value and potential equity or support.

Key considerations in assessing the overall health of our borrowers.

Over the course of the year private equity owners have been proactive in addressing the higher rate environment through cost cutting initiatives and liquidity management.

These include reducing operating costs, improving working capital and reducing capital expenditures acquisition spending.

Craig Packer: We believe these actions and the sponsors' willingness to support the business with additional equity when needed are critical components to the preservation of long-term value for these businesses. While we have had a limited number of comprehensive credit amendments this year, sponsors have contributed additional capital in 70% of these cases. An important part of our underwriting assessment is loan to value. On average, we invest at approximately 40% loan to value. Even in a lower valuation environment, the sponsors retain significant equity investments in their companies. While not contractually required, this means that the private equity firms have a strong economic motivation to continue to support the business. It also means that if we need to take over a business, we believe we will have the opportunity for a very high recovery.

We believe these actions and the sponsor's willingness to support the business with additional equity when needed are critical components. So the preservation of long term value for these businesses.

While we have had a limited number of comprehensive credit amendments. This year sponsors have contributed additional capital and 70% use cases.

An important part of our underwriting assessment as loan to value.

On average, we invest at approximately 40% loan to value.

EBIT and a lower valuation environment, the sponsors retain significant equity investments and their confidence.

While not contractually required this means that the private equity firms have a strong economic motivation to continue to support business.

It also means that we need to take over a business. We believe we will have the opportunity for a very high recovery.

Craig Packer: Of course, all this doesn't minimize the amount of time and effort that it takes to work through more challenging situations. We have both the resources and the time horizon associated with our permanent capital base to work with borrowers to provide the operating runway needed to optimize value. We continue to invest in our team with over 115 investment professionals today, reflecting our commitment to ensure we have the resources necessary to work on troubled situations and protect our portfolio. To close, I wanted to spend a minute on the current market opportunity and our outlook for Q4 and into next year. New activity has picked up nicely since H1 of the year, driven by increased refinancings, add-on acquisitions, and new buyout activity. We have seen the reopening of the public markets, which has led to some tightening of spreads.

Of course, all of this doesn't minimize the amount of time and effort that it takes to work through more challenging situations.

We have both the resources and the time horizon associated with our permanent capital base to work with borrowers to provide the operating runway needed to optimize value.

We continue to invest in our team with over 115 investment professionals today.

Selecting our commitment to ensure we have the resources necessary to work on troubled situations and protect our portfolio.

To close I wanted to spend a minute on the current market opportunity and our outlook for the fourth quarter and into next year.

You'll activity has picked up nicely since the first half of the year driven by increased refinancings add on acquisitions and new buyout activity.

We have seen the reopening of the public markets, which has led to some tightening of spreads. However, we are still able to earn 11%, 12% returns a unit tranche loans, which we believe is a very attractive absolute returns on new opportunities.

Craig Packer: However, we are still able to earn 11% to 12% returns on unitranche loans, which we believe is a very attractive absolute return on new opportunities. Direct lenders continue to provide a compelling financing solution for borrowers of scale. We've had notable success leading the financings on many of the largest deals announced in recent months, including the multi-billion dollar refinancing facilities for Finastra and PetVet. In many of these larger deals and across our broader portfolio, we typically serve as the administrative agent, which is not just a technical title, but instead is an important role awarded to only one lender on each deal. As the administrative agent, we are in direct dialogue with the borrower and sponsor in shaping the transaction terms and the credit documentation.

Direct lenders continues to provide a financing solution for borrowers and scale. We've had notable success, leading the financings on many of our largest deals announced in recent months, including the multibillion dollar refinancing facilities for Astro and Tetra.

Many of these larger deals across our broader portfolio. We took we serve as the administrative agent.

Which is not just a tactical title.

That is an important role awarded only one lender on each deal.

As the administrative agent we are in direct dialogue with the borrower and sponsor shaping the transaction terms and then credit documentation.

Craig Packer: In addition, this role allows our team to maintain a frequent dialogue with the borrower over the life of the loan, which gives us the singular best insight into its operating performance and liquidity profile on a real-time basis. Our franchise continues to win this important role across some of the most attractive deals in the market. In recent months, we have committed to seven deals with financing sizes over $1 billion and serve as the administrative agent on five of them. We believe this reflects the confidence that the private equity sponsors have in our firm. We are also seeing the benefit from incumbency with roughly 70% of our originations this quarter deployed into existing borrowers, reflecting both our confidence in our borrowers and the power of this growing incumbency with 187 borrowers in the portfolio today.

In this role allows our team to maintain a frequent dialogue with the borrower over the life of the loan which gives us the single work that insight to its operating performance and liquidity profile on a real time basis.

Our franchise continues to win the support role across some of the most attractive deals in the market.

In recent months, we are committed to seven deals with financing size is over $1 billion.

As the administrative agent on five of them.

We believe this reflects the confidence that the private equity sponsors have in our firm.

We are also seeing the benefit of incumbency.

With roughly 70% of our originations this quarter deployed into existing borrowers, reflecting both our confidence in our bars and the power of this growing incumbency with 187 borrowers in the portfolio today.

Craig Packer: Looking forward, we expect deal activity will continue to rebound as valuations and the rate environment stabilize, driving increased interest in M&A by both companies and sponsors. We believe this more robust market environment will lead to a continued increase in repayment activity, which could drive further income for OBDC and allow us to redeploy capital into the new opportunities. Finally, I just want to reflect on OBDC's continued success and what a strong quarter this was. This is our Q3 of record NII. We achieved the highest NAV since our inception, and we delivered an attractive ROE of 12.7%. Credit performance remains strong and is driving consistent earnings and increased distributions to shareholders. We expect that our portfolio will continue to perform well, and we will be able to deliver strong operating results and returns to our shareholders.

Looking forward, we expect deal activity will continue to rebound as valuations and the rate environment stabilize.

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We believe this more robust market environment will lead to a continued increase in repayment activity.

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This is our third quarter a record NII.

The highest NAV since our inception, and we believe delivered an attractive ROE of 12, 7%.

Credit performance remains strong and is driving consistent earnings and increase distributions to shareholders.

We expect that our portfolio will continue to perform well and we will be able to deliver strong operating results and returns for our shareholders.

Craig Packer: With that, thank you for your time today, and we'll now open the line for questions.

With that thank you for your time today, and we'll now open the line for questions.

Operator 2: Thank you. Our first questions come from the line of Brian McKenna with JMP Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

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Our first questions come from the line of Brian Mckenna with JMP Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Brian McKenna: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just a question on the dividend to start. Coverage of both the regular and supplemental dividends has been running around 120% year to date. I guess, is this a reasonable expectation for the next few quarters, assuming no material shift in the rate backdrop and then also continued healthy underlying credit trends across the portfolio?

Thanks, Good morning, everyone. So just a question on the dividend to start you know coverage of both the regular and supplemental dividend she's been running around 120% year to date. So I guess is this a reasonable expectation for the next few quarters, assuming no material shift in the rate backdrop, and then also continued healthy underlying credit trends across the portfolio.

Craig Packer: Sure, Brian. Good morning. We felt really comfortable increasing the base dividend. Obviously, supplemental dividend has worked really well and delivered additional dividends to shareholders. We certainly feel extremely comfortable with this new base, and I think folks should expect us to continue to pay this going forward with the conditions that you suggested. If the portfolio continues to perform well and rates continue to stay high, we currently have a little additional room as well. We feel really comfortable where we are, and if conditions warrant, we will always evaluate whether we should increase it. I think it's a good representation of where we sit right now.

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We felt really comfortable increasing the base dividend, obviously supplemental dividend has worked really well and deliver additional.

Dividends to shareholders.

Certainly feel extremely comfortable with this new base.

I think folks should expect us to continue to pay this going forward with the conditions that you suggested.

The portfolio continues to perform well and rates continue to stay high.

Currently have little additional room as well so.

I feel really comfortable where we are in conditions warrant, we will always evaluate whether or whether we should increase it but.

I think so.

A good representation of where we sit right now.

Brian McKenna: Got it. Helpful. Switching gears a little bit. If I look at the average investment size of your portfolio companies, it's been holding steady around $70 million the last several quarters. That said, I know the broader Blue Owl platform is more focused on the large end of the market and deal sizes in this part of the industry continue to trend upward. How should we think about the size of new investments and then kind of the overall average size of the portfolio at OBDC over time?

Got it helpful and then switching gears, a little bit and so if I look at the average investment size of your portfolio companies, it's been holding steady around $70 million. The last several quarters. You know that said I know the broader blue all platform is more focused on on the large end of the market and deal sizes. In this part of the industry continue to trend upward so how should we.

Think about the size of new investments and then kind of the overall average size of the portfolio at all BDC overtime.

Craig Packer: Sure. We've been really pleased with the number of large, high-quality, new investment opportunities. I talked a minute ago about $7 billion deals, five of which we're leading. We continue to see this trend in this quarter and in our pipeline with large companies tapping direct lending more and more. I think that's very exciting, particularly because the quality of the companies are very high.

Sure we've been really pleased with the number of large high quality, new investment opportunities I talked a minute ago about 7 billion dollar deals five of which we are leading we continue to see this trend in there.

This quarter, our pipeline with large companies happening direct lending more and more so I think that's very exciting.

Particularly because the quality of the companies are very high as for our position size.

Craig Packer: As for our position size, as a platform, when we sign up these new deals, our aggregate investment is quite large. Could be $400 or $500 or $600 or $700 million in total investment across our platform. When it comes to sizing OBDC specifically, it's really a function of our capital available at the fund at that moment in time. The fund is squarely in our target leverage level. We are sizing new investments essentially to replace repayments. In this quarter, we got it. I think it's as perfectly accurate as you can get it. It can be a little bit lumpy. If we get more repayments, and those repayments are of greater size, then we would look to put marginally larger investments in OBDC.

As our platform when we sign up these new deals are aggregate.

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It comes the sizing Ob DC, specifically, it's really a function of.

Our capital available upon at that moment in time the fund is squarely.

Squarely in our target leverage level and so we are sizing new investments.

Sensually.

To replace repayments and so in this quarter got it.

It's perfectly accurate as you can get it but it can be a little bit a little bit lumpy. So if we get more repayments and those repayments are of greater size than we would love to put.

Marginally larger investments in this and it will be D C.

Craig Packer: Having said all that, I really like the increased diversification that we've been able to achieve over the last couple of years. That's also a goal. Any one, two, or three quarters is not going to change the average size of the portfolio, given the number of names in it. At 187 names, it would take a lot of turnover. I think the average size probably won't drift much higher over time, which I think is a good thing, because the diversification is very attractive.

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Able to achieve over the last couple of years and so that's also a goal so.

The one two or three quarters is not going to change the average size of the portfolio given the number of names in it at one.

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Average size.

We won't drive much higher over time.

Which I think is a good thing because the diversification is very attractive.

Brian McKenna: Great. Thanks, Craig.

Great. Thanks, Greg.

Craig Packer: Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator 2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed with your questions.

Robert Dodd: Hi, guys. Congrats on the quarter. Two questions. One, your comments on liquidity and interest coverage, et cetera, Craig, are very helpful. Have you seen any change in revolver draws at the portfolio companies? You disclose all the unfunded commitments, it's sometimes hard to see when they move from one quarter to the next or whatever, whether those are getting drawn or the commitments are expiring or whatever. Have you seen any change in pattern there, or is it just regular course of business?

Hi, guys and congrats on the quarter I mean, two questions I mean, one you you know.

Comment some on liquidity and interest coverage.

Very helpful.

You've seen.

Any change in in revolver drawls of the portfolio of companies I mean disclose only partly commitment sometimes.

To see when they they move from one quarter to the next or whatever whether those are getting drawn all the commitments.

Well whatever so it would be have you seen any change in pattern there or is it just you know.

They get a course of business.

Craig Packer: Thanks, Robert. No change in behavior on revolvers. Business as usual. Companies use revolvers to fund the short-term liquidity needs of their business, no change in those regards. Our companies are performing really well. I highlighted some of the statistics, we've been really pleased with the strong operating performance, revenue growth, EBITDA growth, both quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year. Nothing of note to comment on revolvers. I think it reflects just the overall strength of the portfolio company performance.

Thanks, Robert No change in behavior on revolvers business as usual.

The company's use of revolvers.

On the short term liquidity needs of their business.

No change.

Those regards our companies are performing really well and I highlighted some of the statistics, but we've been really pleased with the strong operating performance revenue growth EBITDA growth both quarter over quarter year over year.

And so.

Nothing of note to comment on revolvers I think it reflects just the overall strength of the portfolio company performance.

Robert Dodd: Got it. Thank you. On the second one, on the outlook, as you said, you're winning some very large deals. Do you expect 2024 to obviously, it's very hard predicting the future, but do you expect that to continue that theme, more deals, bigger deals, and a rebound in the market? Or do you think the near term is maybe a spurt of activity by the industry, and could it level off again? Any thoughts there?

Got it thank you.

The second one I mean on the outlook I mean, as you said I mean, yeah, youre, winning some very large deal.

Uh huh.

Are you do you expect 2020 forward to kind of help.

Okay.

Predicting the future but.

But do you expect that kind of.

You need that theme you know more deals bigger deals and a rebound in the market or you.

Do you think the near term it may be.

But spud of activity by the industry and could it could.

Metal off of it.

Okay.

Craig Packer: I'm pretty optimistic that 2024 will see a significant pickup in activity. We're seeing that already as we look to the Q4 of this year. I noted that in my comments. Our pipeline of deal activity for the Q4 looks good, both in terms of repayments and new activity. There's a lot of pent-up appetite from the private equity firms to exit portfolio companies. For those of you that follow the private equity industry, you'll be aware that private equity fundraising is more challenged because private equity firms have not had the opportunity to return capital to their LPs as much as they would like, given some of the volatility over the last 12 months. They would like to exit their companies, and that is the single biggest driver of deal activity. We're seeing that beginning to happen.

I am.

I'm pretty optimistic that 2024, we will see a significant pickup in activity and we're seeing that already as we look to the fourth quarter of this year I know that in my comments.

Our pipeline of deal activity for the fourth quarter looks good both in terms of repayments and new activity.

There is a lot of pent up.

Appetite from the private equity firms to exit portfolio companies for.

For those of you that follow the private equity industry.

You'll be aware of that private equity fund raising is more challenged because private equity firms have not have the opportunity to return capital to their Lps as much as they would like.

Given some of the volatility over the last 12 months, they would like to exit their companies and that is the single biggest driver of deal activity and so we're seeing that beginning to happen and I think if we get stability in the rate environment.

Craig Packer: I think if we get stability in the rate environment and in the markets, and the economy stays in a reasonable place, I think you'll see a meaningful pickup in M&A activity that will drive new deals for us. You will also see a pickup in refinancings in our portfolio. What we've been really pleased with is there have been some really sizable companies of very high quality that had been previously financed in the public markets that are increasingly choosing to refinance in the private markets. Finastra, PetVet would be two great examples. Hyland. This is, I think, an extremely strong trend for direct lenders such as OBDC. These are large companies, and they offer us really attractive risk-adjusted returns. We're seeing some. I think you're going to continue to see meaningfully more in 2024.

And in the markets and the economy stays in a reasonable place I think you'll see a meaningful pickup in M&A activity that will drive.

New deals for US you will also see a pickup in finance refinancings.

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Craig Packer: I'm optimistic about deal activity, both in terms of repayments, income generation off of those repayments, as well as deploying capital in high-quality situations.

I'm optimistic about deal activity both in terms of repayments.

Income generation off of those repayments as well as deploying capital in high quality situations.

Robert Dodd: Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Craig Packer: Thank you.

Operator 2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you. Our next question is coming from the line of Ryan Lynch with VW. Please proceed with your questions.

Ryan Lynch: Hey, good morning, nice quarter, guys. One of the questions I had was, you've talked a lot about some large deals that you guys are leading, as well as potentially the pickup in 2024. There's a lot of loans coming from the broadly syndicated loan market that are now going to the private credit route. I think you mentioned some from PetVet, Finastra, Hyland, just an example of a few that you guys are either leading or participating in. Can you maybe just speak to the notion that some of these large borrowers that were maybe in the broadly syndicated loan market before are choosing the private credit solution versus not being able to access the broadly syndicated loan market, that this is more of a choice versus them not being able to access that, and that's why they're coming to the private credit side?

Hey, good morning, and nice quarter guys.

One of the questions I had was you know you've talked a lot about.

Some large deals that you guys are are leading as well as potentially the pick up in 2024, there's a lot of loans coming from the broadly syndicated loan market that are now going to the private credit route I think you mentioned some fun pet that finasteride, Thailand.

Examples of that that you guys are either leading or participating in.

Can you maybe just speak to the notion that that some of these these large borrowers that were maybe in the broadly syndicated loan market before are choosing the private credit solution versus not being able to access the broadly syndicated loan market that that this is more of a choice versus.

They're not being able to access that in that and that's why they're coming to the private credit side.

Craig Packer: Sure. Look, obviously, there's a multitude of factors, but I think that this phenomenon is extremely attractive for private credit. The public loan market, by far the dominant purchaser of those loans are CLOs. In strong market environments, when CLO creation is high, CLOs have lots of cash and can deploy, and they do so at reasonable spreads. When those factors are not in place, then the largest buyer base is missing. CLO creation has been spotty this year. There have been times when it's been light. There's been times when it's rebounding. It's bumping around. CLOs need a certain ratings profile, and the rating agencies have a certain rubric that they use to evaluate credits. If you get a certain rating, you can go to the public markets. If you don't get it, for whatever reason, you can't.

Oh sure.

Look.

Obviously, there is a multitude of factors.

I think that this phenomenon is extremely attractive for private credit.

Pollack loan market.

By far the dominant purchaser of those loans are close.

In strong market environments, when CLO CLO creation is high.

So those have lots of cash.

Can deploy and they do so.

At reasonable spreads.

But when those factors are now in place and the largest buyer base is missing.

CLO creation has been spotty this year there've been times when it's been light there's been times when it's rebounding that was bought is bumping around.

CLO user ratings profile.

The rating agencies have rubric that they use to evaluate credits.

So if you get a certain rating.

With markets don't get at whatever reason.

Craig Packer: The other factor is the private equity firms have become sensitized that even when they have a deal that is issued in the public markets and you get a rating, that over time they are vulnerable to that rating changing, leaving them with lack of access to the public markets. That risk is one that they have had to live with, that they no longer have to live with because the private credit markets, we can do our own independent work, our own credit analysis, and make our own judgments about the creditworthiness. We don't have that short-term time horizon if there's a downgrade. The private equity firms have become more and more comfortable just choosing a private credit solution with the certainty, the privacy, the customization, and the private equity firms are willing to pay a premium for that.

The other factor is the private equity firms have become sensitized.

Even when they have a deal that is issued in the public markets and you've got a rating that over time, they are vulnerable to that rating change it.

Meeting them with lack of access to the public markets.

That risk is one that they have had to live with.

Longer half of it is because of the private credit markets.

One independent work our own credit analysis.

Our own judgments about the credit worthiness, and we don't have that short term time horizon Theres, a downgrade and so the private equity firms have become more and more comfortable just choosing a private credit solution with a certainty of privacy customization.

Private equity firms are willing to pay a premium for that.

Craig Packer: I think this is a great trend for our investors to get access to these extremely high-quality companies. It's part choice. In some cases, there may be companies that just don't have the ratings profile, or they're trying to finance in a market where CLO creation is light. Generally, private credit, we can also offer customization that the public markets can't offer. We can offer maybe a bit more leverage for a high-quality company. Again, we're financing at 40% loan value. I think it's a combination of these things, but I would very much look at it as an opportunity for our portfolio to invest in high-quality businesses. That opportunity set is growing, and we have more to choose from. Our capital base as an industry is allowing much bigger financings to get done in private credit markets.

So I think this is.

A great trend for our investors to get access to these extremely high quality companies.

And so it's part choice in some cases are may be companies that just don't have the ratings profile or they are trying to answer in a market where CLO creation.

Right.

Generally private credit we can also offer customization that the public markets can offer.

We can offer maybe a bit more leverage for a high quality company and we're financing at 40% loan value. So.

So I think it's a combination of these things, but I would very much look at it as an opportunity for for our portfolio to invest in high quality businesses.

And we are in that opportunity set is growing and we have more to choose from and our capital base as an industry is allowing much bigger financings to get private credit markets.

Craig Packer: I think it's very much a sign of strength and something that sponsors tell us regularly that they like and would like to see more ways to finance in the private markets.

Much sign of strength.

The sponsors how us regularly.

I would like to see more ways to finance the private markets.

Ryan Lynch: Okay. That's really helpful background and color on that. The other question I had was, your guys' credit quality has fared really well, as shown by the low non-accruals and really nice NAV performance. You mentioned something on the call that I was curious on, and I want to make sure I got the number correct. I believe you said with some of the performance-related amendments that you guys have made in your portfolio, private equity sponsors have contributed 70% of capital in 70% of those cases, I should say. I'm just curious, on the remaining 30% that the private equity sponsor didn't contribute additional capital into, was that because that was not a request that you guys had made?

Okay, that's really helpful background or color on that the other question I had was you guys credit quality has has fared really well you know as shown by the low non accruals and really nice snap performance.

But you mentioned something on the call that I was curious on I want to make sure I got that number correct, but I believe you said, but with some of the performance related amendments that you guys have made in your portfolio.

Private equity sponsors have contributed 70%.

Capital and 70% of those cases, I should say I'm just curious on the remaining 30% that the private equity sponsored didnt contribute additional capital into was that because that was not a request that you guys had made was that something that the private equity sponsor was unwilling to do or is that something that the private equity sponsor, maybe just didn't have any capital.

Ryan Lynch: Was that something that the private equity sponsor was unwilling to do, or was that something that the private equity sponsor maybe just didn't have any capital remaining in that fund to do so? Just love to get a little color on that remaining 30% where private equity capital wasn't contributed.

And that fund to do so just wanted to get a little color on that remaining 30% where we are.

Private equity capital wasn't contributed.

Craig Packer: Sure. Every situation is unique. I think that's, again, one of the great attributes of private credit. If you have a broadly syndicated loan and there's a credit problem, there's nobody to talk to. Your loan's held by 200 CLOs that you don't know. You have no ability to have a negotiation. We have a bilateral loan. We typically own more than half of it, and the sponsors like being able to call us and discuss what's going on with the company. One of the main things on our list to ask for is equity. If the company, in our opinion, needs some deleveraging, that is always very high on our list.

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Every situation is unique.

And I think that's one of the great attributes of private credit. If you are a broadly syndicated loan and credit problem, there's nobody to talk to their own <unk>.

200 CLO.

You have no ability to have a negotiation we have we have a bilateral loans.

More than half of it and the sponsors like being able to call us to discuss what's going on with the company.

One of the main things on our SaaS or is equity.

The company in our opinion needs some deleveraging.

That is always very high on our list.

Craig Packer: There are situations where a company might be bumping into a covenant where it can comfortably cover its interest, and maybe we priced a high-quality loan at a spread where leverage is mildly elevated, and it doesn't require new equity. It requires some type of economic solution. In those cases, we will work out a different type of solution with the private equity firm. Maybe we'll ask for additional call protection or some repayments. There's a lot of ways for us to solve problems with the private equity firms. Equity is certainly one that we really like for obvious reasons, but it's not the solution in every case. The general answer to your question is, in our material amendments, we have very amicably reached good solutions for us and the private equity firms.

But there are situations, where a company might be bumping into a covenant.

Where you can comfortably cover interest and.

This high quality loans at a spread where leverages mildly elevated and it doesn't require new equity required economic solution and so in those cases, we will work out a different type of solution with a private equity firm, maybe we'll ask Bert to show call protection or some repayments theres a lot of ways for us to.

Solve problems so the private equity firms equity is certainly one that we really like promise reasons, but it's not.

The solution in every case the general answer to your question is in our material amendments.

Very amicably.

Solutions for us in the private equity firms shouldn't read it as it sounds.

Craig Packer: You shouldn't read it as a sign that we just had to amend the deal and couldn't get what we wanted and had to suffer through it. That's not representative of the other 30%.

That we just had the amended deal and so we can get where we want it and how the software that's not represented over 30%.

Ryan Lynch: Okay. That makes sense. Thanks for the color on that. That's all for me today. Appreciate the time.

Okay.

That makes sense. Thanks for the color on that that's all for me today I appreciate the time.

Craig Packer: Thanks, Ryan.

Thanks, Brian.

Operator 2: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you our next questions come from the line of Mark Hughes with <unk> Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Mark Hughes: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Following on that, the amendment activity, I don't know if you suggested whether you'd seen any trend there, whether it ticked up, steady. Obviously, you're getting a lot of private equity support, but how has the trend been lately?

Yeah. Thanks, good morning.

Following on that.

Amendment activity I don't know if you suggested whether you'd seen any trend there whether it ticked up steady.

Youre getting a lot of private equity support that.

Trends have been lately.

Craig Packer: I would say it's been very light. In a good way. At the beginning of the year, I was quite cautious, given rates were higher. I had expected by now we would have more stress in the portfolio. We really haven't seen it. It's low single digits amount of amendment activity, garden variety amendment activity. We haven't seen any pickup. I would say it's lighter than anybody would've expected, and I'm quite pleased with it. The stats we gave on sponsor support, that's over the course of the last 12 months, really. The last quarter, this quarter, was a really light amendment quarter. As we get into Q4, it remains light, and we'll see how the rest of the quarter plays.

I would say it's been very light.

It's really.

Good way.

At the beginning of the year I was quite cautious given rates were higher.

Expected by now we would have more.

More stress in the portfolio, we really haven't seen it.

It's low single digit amount of amendment activity garden variety.

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I would say it's.

It's lighter than anybody would have expected him quite I'm quite pleased with it.

SaaS, we gave on sponsor support really over the course of the last 12 months really.

Last quarter this quarter was a really light.

At quarter end.

City gear into the.

Fourth quarter.

It remains light and we'll see how the rest of the workplace.

Mark Hughes: Yeah. The 10% to 12% EBITDA growth, I think you suggested for the last couple of quarters, seems pretty impressive. Do you have a sense of whether there's an expectation for that to slow as the Fed does its work? Any nuance on the economy here?

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10% to 12% EBITDA growth I think you.

Adjusting for the last couple of quarters.

Pretty impressive do you have a sense of whether there was an expectation for that could slow the fed does its work.

Any nuance on the economy here.

Craig Packer: Sure. Just to be clear, the 10% to 12% that I referenced was a year-over-year statistic for revenues to EBITDA. I also referenced in my comments quarter-over-quarter growth. That growth is in the low single digits. Quarter-over-quarter continued growth, but at a lower level. Year-over-year, more significant growth. I think what we've been most pleased with is just the breadth of the performance. It's really in all of our sectors and most of our companies. We're pleased with it. I just want to remind everyone, I don't think of our portfolio as a perfect representation of the US economy. We are very purposefully focused on recession-resistant businesses that we expect to be stable in most economic environments. Sectors like software, healthcare, food and beverage, insurance, et cetera. We are not trying to be an early warning sign for economic weakness.

Sure so just to be clear.

The 12% that I referenced was a year over year statistic revenues EBITDA.

And I also referenced in my comments.

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In the low single digits, so quarter over quarter continued growth, but at a lower level year over year.

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I think what we've been most pleased with is just the breadth of the of the performance, it's really in all of our sectors and most of our companies and so.

We're pleased with it.

Just want to remind everyone I don't think of our portfolio as a perfect representation of the U S. Economy. We are very purposefully focus on recession resistant businesses that we expect to be stable in most economic environments sectors like software healthcare food and beverage insurance.

Insurance et cetera, we're not trying to be an early warning sign for economic weakness, we have almost little to no exposure in.

Craig Packer: We have almost little to no exposure in commodity sectors like energy and chemicals and home building and retail and restaurants. These are the sectors that you would look to as early warning signs. As an example, we had a very significant strike in the auto industry, which has now been settled. We have literally almost zero exposure to the auto industry in our entire portfolio. I'm pleased with the performance. If the economy stays the way it is, I expect that performance to continue. We do have some businesses that are exposed to just general industrial conditions or general consumer demand. We'll watch that closely. If the economy stays strong, the portfolio will do well. If the economy goes and has a downturn, which I think at this point, most economic observers that I follow think we will avoid a recession.

Commodity commodity sectors like energy and chemicals homebuilding.

Sale and restaurants. These are the sectors that you would want to.

Warning signs as an example.

We had a very significant strike in the auto industry, which has now been settled.

Literally almost zero exposure to the auto industry in our entire portfolio.

So I'm pleased with our performance.

The economy stays the way it is.

That performance to continue.

We do have some businesses that are exposed to just general industrial conditions for general consumer demand.

And so we'll watch that closely.

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I think we will avoid a recession, but we had a mild recession, we saw our portfolio will do really well, so I'm cautiously optimistic, but we'll feel better.

Craig Packer: If we had a mild recession, we still think our portfolio will do really well. Cautiously optimistic, but we'll feel better as the next 12 months unfold.

As the next 12 months on bolt.

Mark Hughes: Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thank you I appreciate it.

Craig Packer: Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator 2: Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next questions come from the line of Erik Zwick with Hovde Group. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad.

Our next questions come from the line of Erik Zwick with hub group. Please proceed with your questions.

Erik Zwick: Good morning, everyone. First, just wanted to start with a question. One, I appreciate all of the detail that you put in the slide deck, and was just looking through a bunch of that. Noticed as I look at the new investments, both the average interest rate and average spread has come down over the past two quarters. Given the increase in base rates, you've still been able to exhibit some increase in the weighted average yield in the portfolio. Just curious, given those, the two trends of the declining rates on and spreads on new opportunities. SOFR is obviously up a little bit from 630 to 930, so I would think there's maybe a little bit more opportunity to expand the overall yield.

Good morning, everyone.

First just wanted to start with a question one I appreciate all the detail that you put in the slide deck and just looking through a bunch of that Didnt noticed as I look at the new investments both the average interest rate and an average spread has come down over the past two quarters, but given the increase in base rates, you've still been able to exhibit some some increase.

N D.

The weighted average yield in the portfolio. So just just curious kind of given those.

Two trains of the declining.

Rates are and spreads on new opportunities.

So far is obviously up a little bit from 630 to 930. So I would think there's maybe a little bit more opportunity to expand the overall yield but would you think kind of given those trends if interest rates holding a cycle when you've kind of near the peak of the yield for the portfolio for the cycle are there other opportunities to kind of hold the line there.

Erik Zwick: Would you think, given those trends, if interest rates hold in a cycle, you've neared the peak of the yield for the portfolio for this cycle? Or are there opportunities to hold the line there?

Yes.

Craig Packer: Sure. I'll make a couple comments. Look, the last couple of quarters, this quarter was a little more active, but these are light quarters from a volume standpoint. They're not going to have a meaningful impact in the overall return in the portfolio because they're a small sliver of the portfolio. If you look at the average spread that we have in the book, it has been rock solid for five quarters in a row, pinned at 6.7%. I wouldn't read too much into any one or two quarters worth of activity. I did note in my comments this quarter, as the public markets have reopened, we have seen a bit of tightening of spread. Spreads had been really wide in the H1 of this year. Public markets shut, other private credit providers pulling back.

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What was the last the last couple of quarters have been.

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They're not going to have a meaningful impact on the overall return in the portfolio because they are.

A small sliver of the portfolio. If you look at the average spread that we have in the book.

It has been a rock solid for five quarters in a row in the six 7%.

And so I wouldn't read too much into any one or two quarters worth of activity I did note in my comments.

This quarter as the public markets.

Reopened.

We have seen a bit of tightening of spreads.

And so.

Spreads have been really wide in the first half of this year public market shot other private credit providers pulling back was that was it.

Craig Packer: That was a great opportunity for us to get lots of spread. That is waning a bit. They're seeing some tightening of spread. Absolute returns, still extremely high, 11% to 12%. I made the comment in the script. I do think that these market conditions will move up and down on a given quarter based on what's happening in the broadly syndicated markets, based on what our peers are doing with their capital. The base rate environment, extremely attractive. Overall returns for new deals, extremely attractive. I think that you're asking forward-looking, are we at the peak? It's hard to say. It's just so market-dependent. I think that our expectation, investor expectation on rates right now is a growing sentiment that maybe rates are at a peak and will come down. Certainly, the forward curve would suggest that.

Great opportunity for us to get lost spread.

That is waning a bit youre seeing some tightening spread absolute returns still extremely high 11% to 12% I made the comment in the script.

So do.

Do you think that.

These these market conditions will move up and down in any given quarter based on what's happening in the broadly syndicated markets based on our peers are doing with their capital.

The base rate environment extremely attractive overall returns for new deals extremely attractive.

Are we at.

I think that Youre asking forward looking are we at the peak, it's hard to say so market dependent.

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But our expectation investor expectation on rates right now and growing sentiment that maybe rates are at a peak and will come down certainly the forward curve would suggest that as to where spreads will go.

Craig Packer: As to where spreads will go, that is a function of, as I just said, market appetite and where additional capital will deploy. We're always trying to get the best of both worlds. We want to have great credits and great credit protections and get as much spread as we can. We certainly have a competitive environment that we live with. I'd be very pleased if it stayed like this for a while. If we could do a little bit better, we can. I do think deal flow activity will pick up, and that will generate some prepayment income that we haven't had for a while. These are really attractive returns and really attractive spreads, the likes of which 18 months ago, 12 months ago, we're on these calls, I don't think anyone expected. We're certainly very pleased with what we're seeing.

That is a function of as I, just said market appetite.

Where additional capital deploy we're always trying to get the basketball world. So we want to have great credits and great credit protections and get as much spread as we can.

We certainly have.

Competitive environment that we live with.

So I'd be very pleased if it stays like this for a while so if we go a little bit better we can.

I do think deal flow activity will pick up and that will generate some some prepayment income that we haven't had for a while.

But.

Or where are these are really attractive returns in really attractive spreads voice of which 18 months ago 12 months ago were on these calls.

Anyone expected and so we're certainly very pleased pleased with what we're seeing.

Craig Packer: It'll move up and down. Spreads operate in a general band, with 550 to 700 over, depending. We've moved up in that band and down in that band since our existence, every quarter, we've operated somewhere in that band. Right now, it's on the tighter end. If it widen out, all it takes is some dislocation in the broadly syndicated markets for a quarter or two, and spreads will widen out again.

It'll move up and down but spreads operated in the general band.

550.

700 over depending and we've moved up enough to end at the end.

Since our existence every quarter, we've operated somewhere on that Dan, but Alex on the cider and why.

Right now all it takes is some dislocation in the broadly syndicated markets for a quarter or two and spreads widen out again.

Erik Zwick: That's very helpful. I appreciate the detailed comments there. Second one for me, just on leverage. The leverage has come down over the past 2 quarters, closer to the lower end of your target range. Curious to wonder if that was purposeful or more just reflective of the fact that there's been more exits to repayments relative to new commitments over the past couple quarters.

That's very helpful. I appreciate that the detailed comments there and second one for me just on leverage.

The leverage has come down over the past few quarters.

Closer to the lower end of your target range curious wonder if that was you know purposeful or more just reflective of the fact that there's been more exits and repayments relative to new commitments over the past couple of quarters.

Jonathan Lamm: Yeah. It was basically flat this quarter versus last quarter, but it has come down from earlier in the year. Again, it's mostly a timing issue. We're matching repayments and new investments, and so we're sort of squarely in like call it that 115 area. We could take it up a little bit. We're certainly happy where we are and certainly operating a little bit higher, which is where we were operating earlier in the year. I wouldn't read anything into it.

Yes, it was basically flat this quarter versus last quarter, but it has come down from earlier in the year again, it's mostly a timing.

Issue, we're matching repayments and new investments and so we're we're sort of squarely with my cost 15 area, we could take it up a little bit.

But we're certainly happy where we are and.

Certainly operating a little bit higher which is where we are operating earlier this year.

I wouldn't I wouldn't read anything.

Craig Packer: What I'm really pleased at is even with a tick lower of leverage, our ROE is extremely high. I think it's a great combination of great returns with some dry powder. We can invest. We see great opportunities. We take the leverage up a bit and really like where we sit in our target leverage range.

I mean, it's I'm really pleased that as even with the tick lower or elaborate on ROE is extremely high. So I think it's a great combination of great returns with dry powder and so we can see.

I see great opportunities to take leverage up a bit I really like where we sit in our target leverage range.

Erik Zwick: Thanks for taking my questions today.

Thanks for taking my questions today.

Jonathan Lamm: Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator 2: Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Mickey Schleien with Ladenburg. Please proceed with your questions.

Thank you our next questions come from the line of Mickey Schlein with Ladenburg. Please proceed with your questions.

Mickey Schleien: Yes, good afternoon. I just have one question at this point. Wanted to ask, when do the reinvestment periods in your CLO financings begin to end? How significant could that unwinding be on your interest expense over the next couple of years when you consider the current terms available in the market?

Yes, good afternoon, I just have one question.

At this point.

Wanted to ask when do the reinvestment periods in your CLO financings begin to end and how significant could that unwinding be on your interest expense over the next couple of years. When you consider the current terms available in the market.

Jonathan Lamm: Thanks, Mickey. Yeah, our CLO reinvestment periods are typically two to four years, generally more four years. They're on a regular basis when they're coming close to or within a year of effectively that reset period, we will go out and do a reset. That has already occurred in some of our CLOs, and will continue to be the case. We're not that concerned in terms of what that will look like from a financing cost perspective, from a repricing of those transactions. On the unsecured side, obviously we do have lower-cost financing there. Again, nothing really material in 2024. In future years, we do have some refinancings there that will come up, and we'll be doing those accordingly in those future years.

Thanks, Nick you, so yeah, our CLO reinvestment periods.

Three or four years generally more for years and so they are on a regular basis.

So coming close to where.

Whether they are coming close to or within a year of.

Effectively that.

Reset period, we will go out.

So that has already occurred.

In some of our Clo's.

We will continue to chase, we're not we're not that concerned in terms of what that will look like from a fit.

Managing cost perspective, some of the pricing re pricing of those transactions.

On the unsecured side, obviously, we do have.

Lower cost financing there.

Jamie I'll say really material in 2024.

In future years, we do have some refinancings there that will.

We'll come up and we'll be doing those.

Accordingly in those future years.

Mickey Schleien: Jonathan, if I can just follow up. AAA spreads in the CLO world are still pretty wide. That's the reason that the machine's not working very well. Are you indicating that those spreads available in the market today are sort of similar to where you're already at, or because of your platform?

Jonathan if I can just follow up I mean, AAA spreads in the CLO world are still pretty wide.

That's the reason that the machine is not working very well.

So are you, indicating that those spreads available in the market today are sort of similar to where you were already yet or.

Cause of your platform.

Jonathan Lamm: A little bit wider. A little bit wider, but not meaningfully much wider from where we printed all of these CLOs. Again, we have a fair number of CLOs in OBDC, and some of them were printed at wider levels. The later ones, a little bit tighter, but the earlier ones, a little bit wider.

A little bit a little bit wider but not meaningfully wider from where we printed all of the CLO.

Fair number of CLO.

In obesity and some of them were printed at wider levels. The later ones a little bit tighter, but the earlier ones a little bit wider and I think we're okay.

Mickey Schleien: Okay

Jonathan Lamm: yeah.

Mickey Schleien: I understand. Those are all my questions. Appreciate your time. Thank you.

Yes.

I understand those are all my questions I appreciate your time. Thank you.

Jonathan Lamm: Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator 2: Thank you. We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Craig Packer for any closing comments.

Thank you we have reached the end of our question and answer session I would now like to turn the floor back over to Craig Packer for any closing comments.

Craig Packer: Great. Thanks all for joining. We're extremely pleased with the quarter. Hopefully, the results speak for themselves. We're really excited to deliver the dividend increase in particular. The supplemental dividend continues to work well. Just, I'm very happy. Thanks all for joining. If you have any questions as a follow-up, we're easily reachable and we'd be pleased to take them. With that, hope you all have a great rest of your day.

Great. Thanks, all for joining we're extremely pleased with the quarter hopefully the results speak for themselves.

But we're really excited to deliver the dividend increase in particular in the supplemental dividend continues to work well.

Just very happy so thanks, all for joining to have any questions as a follow up we're easily reachable and we'd be pleased to.

Take them with that.

Great recipe that.

Operator 2: Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. We appreciate your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Thank you. This does conclude today's teleconference. We appreciate your participation.

Disconnect your lines at this time.

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