Q3 2023 Tradeweb Markets Inc Earnings Call

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Good morning, and welcome to trade webs third quarter 2023 earnings conference call.

A reminder, today's call is being recorded and will be available for playback.

To begin I'll turn the call over to head of Treasury F. P N E and Investor Relations Ashley Serrao.

Please go ahead.

Thank you and good morning, Johnny.

Joining me today for the call are CEO, Billy Hult, who will review the highlights for the quarter and provide a brief business update.

And Tom, Florida, who will dive a little deeper into some growth initiatives and our CFO, Sarah Ferber, who will review our financial results. We intend to use the website as a means of disclosing material nonpublic information and complying with disclosure obligations under regulation FD.

I like to remind you that certain statements in this presentation and during the Q&A may relate to future events and expectations and as such constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 statements related to among other things our guidance are forward looking statements actual results may.

Differ materially from these forward looking statements information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ from forward looking statements is contained in our earnings release presentation and periodic reports filed with the SEC.

In addition on today's call, we will reference certain non-GAAP measures as well as certain market and industry data information regarding these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations to GAAP measures is in our earnings release and presentation.

Information regarding market and industry data, including sources is that our earnings presentation now, let me turn the call over to Billy.

Thanks, Ashley good morning, everyone and thank you for joining our third quarter earnings call.

I am extremely proud of our trade web team that generated the second best revenue quarter in our history.

This quarter continued to showcase profitable share gains across many of our markets. While our business is not immune to the macro backdrop. We believe we are increasingly building an all weather platform that helps our clients manage risk in a variety of environments. We're also laser focused on enhancing our one stop shop value proposition for our clients.

By continuing to add and linked products electronically.

Diving into the third quarter client activity and risk appetite continued to grow which drove a return to double digit revenue growth. Despite an uncertain macro backdrop, specifically on slide four record revenues for any third quarter in our history of $328 million were up 14, 4% year over year.

On a reported basis and 12, 5% on a constant currency basis, and adjusted EBITDA margins expanded by 92 basis points relative to the third quarter of 2022.

We continue to balance revenue growth and expenses on an annual basis with revenue growth of 8%. During the first nine months of 2023 translating to a 58 basis point increase in our adjusted EBITDA margin to 52.2% relative to the first nine months of 2022.

Turning to slide five recent credit led the way accounting for 60% and 29% of our revenue growth respectively.

Pacifically the record revenues across our rates business were driven by continued growth across global government bonds and swaps and returning growth across our mortgage business.

Similarly, the record revenues across credit were led by strong U S and European corporate credit, including record quarterly market share in electronic U S investment grade and high yield credit.

Money markets produced its second highest quarterly revenues ever fueled by growth in our retail certificate of deposit franchise and continued organic growth in institutional repos.

Equities revenue fell 2% due to a double digit decline in industry ETF volumes, which were partially offset by a strong equity derivatives revenue growth.

Finally market data revenues were driven by our proprietary third party data products, which continue to enjoy robust growth and a strong product pipeline as well as by a P. A reporting revenues.

Turning to slide six I will provide a brief update on two of our main focus areas U S treasuries and Etfs and turn it over to Tom to dig deeper into U S credit and global interest rate swaps.

Starting with U S treasuries revenues achieved a new record increasing by 17% year over year and eclipsing industry volume growth of 15%.

This was driven by our institutional business that had its best revenue quarter ever led by record average daily volume across our institutional streaming protocol and growing adoption of our RF Q plus offering the.

The high rate environment continued to propel our retail business, where revenues grew over 60% year over year.

The leading indicators of the institutional business remains strong we achieved record quarterly market share of longer dated U S treasuries versus Bloomberg client engagement was healthy with institutional average daily trades up over 60% year over year automation continues to be an important theme with.

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Our U S treasuries wholesale business produced its best revenue quarter in our history led by record volumes across our sessions protocols and strong growth across our streaming protocol, while our central limit order book protocols faced tough market conditions. The team has made initial progress in deepening client wallet share with average daily volume.

Up 20% quarter over quarter, and we expect to onboard more liquidity providers over the coming quarters.

Within equities, our ETF business outperformed the overall market, but faced a tough industry backdrop, given lower equity market volatility and a lack of price dispersion that minimize the portfolio rebalance activity.

During the quarter, we added notional based trading for Etfs to complement our legacy share based trading responding to increased demand from asset managers retail aggregators and the wealth management community.

Other initiatives to expand our equity brand beyond our flagship ETF franchise continued to bear fruit.

Institutional equity derivatives revenues were up nearly 30% year over year, driven by strong double digit growth across options and convertibles ADR volumes also saw dramatic year over year increase looking ahead. The client pipeline remains strong as the benefits of our electronic solutions continue to rise.

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We believe we are well positioned to capitalize on the long term secular ETF growth story, not just in equities, but across our fixed income business.

Moving onto our international business, which is another component of our growth revenues grew 18, 1% year over year on a reported basis and 13% on a constant currency basis. The growth was driven by strong performance across European government bonds European swaps emerging market swaps European.

Credit and market data.

Revenue growth was driven in part by growing adoption across Asian, and North American clients trading non U S products.

Looking forward, we're excited to broaden our international presence with the closing of the yield broker acquisition, which complements our existing rate business deepens, our product presence and expands our client footprint deeper into the APAC region.

Similar to trade web Youll broker has a comprehensive product offering across Australia, and New Zealand debt capital markets and a diverse set of clients and protocols. We have hit the ground running with the integration and we will be focusing on consolidating technology over the next 18 months. Additionally, we are spending significant time.

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Finally today, we announced our new market data agreement with refinish, who will distribute our data to their clients for a period of two years.

This contract not only generates significantly more revenue for trade web, which Sarah will touch on later.

But also provides more flexibility to grow our proprietary data business. We also see additional upside as we build more products to enhance the trading experience of our clients separately. We also announced a strategic partnership with FTSE Russell to expand benchmark pricing broadened index inclusion and enhanced trading.

Functionality across fixed income products will update you on that initiative as we make progress with that I will turn it over to Tom.

Thanks Billy.

Turning to slide seven for a closer look at credit.

Strong double digit revenue growth was driven by 21% and 49% year over year revenue growth across U S and European credit respectively.

This was partially offset by unattractive yield differentials still dampening client interest in munis and softer industry trends across credit derivatives.

Automation continued to surge with global credit <unk> average daily trades, increasing over 95% year over year.

Honing in on U S corporate credit revenue growth was driven by all three client channels.

The strong share gains across I G and high yield were driven by our continued focus on providing all our clients.

Heartless up client channel with a diverse set of protocols that meet their execution needs across a variety of market environments.

This strategy is resonating as we continued to expand our wallet share across RF, Q and dealer RF Q.

Especially with respect to the rising share we have accomplished within our all to all network and we continue to grow our leading footprint across portfolio trading and sessions.

We also continue to increase our engagement and wallet share with ETF market makers, where inquiry volume was up over 80% year over year and traded volume was up over 100% year over year.

Finally, we achieved our second highest block market share across both I G and high yield.

Our institutional business continues to scale to new highs.

Spike mixed industry volume trends with I G growing 7%, but high yield falling 9% year over year, our institutional U S credit revenues grew over 25% year over year.

Looking at the underlying protocols, our primary focus on growing institutional RF Q continues to pay off with ATV growing 29% year over year with strong double digit growth across both I G and high yield.

Overall portfolio trading Adv rose, 23% year over year led by growth across U S and European P T.

In the third quarter, we produced record Adv across I G portfolio trading.

Retail credit revenues were up low single digits year over year as financial advisers remain focused on buying U S treasuries.

All trade produced a record quarter with over $137 billion in volume.

Our all to all volumes grew over 50% year over year aided by 60% year over year growth in our dealer RF SKU offering.

The team continues to be focused on broadening out our network and increasing the number of responses on the all trade platform.

In the third quarter, the number of auto all responders rose by over 10% and responses increased by nearly 50% year over year.

Our sessions Adv grew over 35% year over year, while rematch produced 30% year over year growth.

Looking ahead U S credit remains our biggest focus area and we like the way we are positioned across our three client channels.

We believe we have a long runway of growth ahead of us.

As I've said in the past electronically credit as a young market that is ripe for further innovation.

The team remains focused on growing our wallet share over the long term.

Led by further product innovation and enhancements as we work with our clients to further electronic by the market.

Beyond U S credit our E M expansion efforts continue to progress steadily.

One quarter after completing our first Mexican local currency bond trade, we saw our largest E M portfolio trade in September and we completed our first local currency bond trade that utilized our FX all collaborations.

Moving to slide eight global swaps produced record revenues, despite facing a volatile macro environment in the quarter.

The third quarter saw continued headwinds from lower duration as clients traded on the shorter end of the yield curve.

And record compression activity in August.

Despite the 17% reduction in duration and elevated quarterly compression activity, which improved materially in September variable swaps revenues increased 24% year over year.

Despite the 17% reduction in duration and elevated quarterly compression activity, which improved materially in September variable swaps revenues increased 24% year over year.

Overall global swaps revenues grew 20% year over year and market share rose to 18, 2% with record share across the U S dollar denominated swaps.

Electronic adoption continues to grow from the utilization of electronic trading of products for the first time to the expansion of automated trading.

During the quarter, we saw certain clients trade swaption electronically for the first time a product that we are focused on electronic fine.

Additionally, we've seen banks look to expand their usage of electronic protocols across their strategies.

Finally, we've seen macro hedge funds increasingly look to utilize automated trading as they expand their footprint across global swaps.

Electronic adoption is different across our different clients, but the trend is all the same we believe clients will look to trade more of their flow electronically moving forward.

Our core focus is to be the valued partner our clients look towards as they expand their electronic footprint.

Finally, we continue to make progress across emerging markets swaps and a rapidly growing RF M protocol.

Our third quarter E M swaps revenues increased over 165% year over year, and we believe there is still a lot of room to grow given the low levels of electronic vacation.

Our RF M protocol, so a D V rise over 100% year over year with adoption picking up especially across our European swaps business.

Looking ahead, we believe the long term swaps revenue growth potential is meaningful.

Unknown Attendee: Good morning, and welcome to Tradeweb's third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded and will be available for playback.

We believe our recent cyclical tailwind around the shape of the yield curve will provide clients with the opportunity to start extending duration.

But the market is still less than 30% electronic side.

Ashley Serrao: To begin, I'll turn the call over to head of Treasury, FPNA, and investor relations, Ashley Serrao. Please go ahead. Thank you and good morning.

We believe there remains a lot that we can do to help digitize, our client's manual workflows, while the global fixed income markets and broader swaps market grow.

William Hult: Joining me today for the call, our CEO, Billy Hultt, will review the highlights of the quarter and provide a brief business update.

And with that let me turn it over to Sarah to discuss our financials in more detail.

Ashley Serrao: Our president, Tom Pluta, who will dive a little deeper into some growth initiatives, and our CFO, Serra Furber, who will review our financial results. We intend to use the website as a means of disclosing material, non-public information, and complying with our disclosure obligations under regulation FD.

Thanks, Tom and good morning, as I go through the numbers all comparisons will be to the prior year period, unless otherwise noted let me begin with an overview of our volumes on slide nine.

We reported third quarter average daily volume of nearly $1 four trillion dollars up nearly 30% year over year and up 29% on excluding short tenor swaps.

Ashley Serrao: I'd like to remind you that certain statements in this presentation and during the Q&A may relate to future events and expectations and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the private security solicitation reform act of 1995 statements related to among other things our guidance are forward-looking statements. Actual results may defer materially from these forward-looking statements. Information concerning factors that because actual results are differ from forward-looking statements is contained in our earnings release, presentation, and periodic reports filed with the SEC.

22 product categories that we include in our monthly activity report 12 of them produced year over year volume growth of more than 20%.

Areas of strong growth include global swaps U S investment grade credit, China bonds equity derivatives and repos.

Slide 10 provides a summary of our quarterly earnings performance.

Third quarter volume growth translated into gross revenues, increasing by 14, 4% on a reported basis and 12, 5% on a constant currency basis.

Ashley Serrao: In addition, on today's call, we will reference certain non-gap measures as well as certain market and industry data. Information regarding these non-gap measures, including reconciliation to gap measures, is in our earnings release and presentation. Information regarding market and industry data, including sources, is in our earnings presentation.

We derived approximately 37% of our revenues from international customers and recall that approximately 30% of our revenue base is denominated in currencies other than dollars predominantly in euros.

William Hult: Now, let me turn the call over to Billy. Thanks, Ashley. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our third quarter earnings call. I am extremely proud of our trade web team that generated the second best revenue quarter in our history. This quarter continued to showcase profitable share gains across many of our markets. While our business is not immune to the macro backdrop, we believe we are increasingly building an all-weather platform that helps our clients manage risk in a variety of environments.

Variable revenues increased by 18% and total trading revenues increased by 15%.

Total fixed revenues related to our four major asset classes were up seven 8% on a reported and six 2% on a constant currency basis.

Fixed revenues growth was driven by the addition of new dealers across our mortgage specified pools platform.

And our U S treasuries streams and cloud protocols.

William Hult: We are also laser focused on enhancing our one-stop-shop value proposition for our clients by continuing to add and link products electronically. Diving into the third quarter, client activity and risk appetite continued to grow, which drove a return to double-digit revenue growth, despite an uncertain macro backdrop.

Credit fixed revenue growth was driven by the previously disclosed dealer fee floor price increases, which we instituted at the start of the third quarter.

In other trading revenues were up 9% as a reminder, this line fluctuates as it reflects revenues tied to periodic technology enhancements perform for our retail clients.

Year to date, adjusted EBITDA margin of 52.2% increased by 29 basis points on a reported basis and 78 basis points on a constant currency basis from the full year 2022.

William Hult: Specifically on slide four, record revenues for any third quarter in our history of 328 million, or up 14.4% year over year on a reported basis, and 12.5% on a constant currency basis, and adjusted EBITDA margins expanded by 92 basis points relative to the third quarter of 2022. We continue to balance revenue growth and expenses on an annual basis with revenue growth of 8% during the first nine months of 2023, translating to a 58 basis point increase in our adjusted EBITDA margin to 52.2% relative to the first nine months of 2022.

Moving on to fees per million on slide 11, and highlight the key trends for the quarter.

And you can see slide 16 of the earnings presentation for additional detail regarding our fee per million performance in this quarter.

Overall, our blended fee per million decreased 8% year over year, primarily due to a mix shift away from cash rates and a decrease in cash credit and cash equities fee per million.

For cash rates products fees per million were up 8%, primarily due to a positive mix shift towards higher fee per million U S. Treasuries.

William Hult: Turning to slide five, rates and credit led the way, accounting for 60% and 29% of our revenue growth. Specifically, the record revenues across our rates business were driven by continued growth across global government bonds and swaps and returning growth across our mortgage business. Similarly, the record revenues across credit were led by strong US and European corporate credit, including record quarterly market share and electronic US investment grade and high yield credit. Money markets produced its second highest quarterly revenues ever fueled by growth growth in our retail certificate of deposit franchise and continued organic growth in institutional repos.

U S treasuries fee per million were also aided by the continued pickup in our retail channel.

For long tenor swaps fees per million were down 21%, primarily due to a 17% decline in duration year over year and an increase in compression trades.

This was partially offset by growth in E N European swaps and our RF and protocol.

For cash credit average fees per million decreased 4% due to a mix shift away from munis, partially offset by an increase in European credit fee per million.

For cash equities average fees per million decreased by 13% due to a mix shift away from higher fee per million European Etfs, and a reduction in U S. E. T. S. P per million given an increase in notional per share traded.

William Hult: Equities revenue fell 2% to do a double digit decline in industry ETF volumes, which were partially offset by a strong equity derivatives revenue growth. Finally, market data revenues were driven by our proprietary third party data products, which continue to enjoy robust growth and a strong product pipeline, as well as by APA reporting revenues.

Recall in the U S, we charge per share and not for notional value traded.

And finally within money markets average fees per million increased 5% driven by a mix shift towards U S. Cds, partially offset by a mix shift away from EU Repos Slide 12 details our adjusted expenses.

William Hult: Turning to slide 6, I will provide a brief update on two of our main focus areas, US Treasuries and ETFs, and turn it over to Tom to dig deeper into US credit and global interest rate swaps. Starting with US Treasuries, revenues achieved a new record, increasing by 17% year-over-year and eclipsing industry volume growth of 15%. This was driven by our institutional business that had its best revenue quarter ever led by record average daily volume across our institutional streaming protocol and growing adoption of our RFQ plus offering.

High level, the scalability and variable nature of our expense base allows us to continue to invest for growth and grow margins.

No change in our philosophy here.

Adjusted expenses for the third quarter increased 12, 1% on a reported basis and eight 5% on a constant currency basis.

Compensation costs increased 14.1% due to increases in head count and performance related compensation.

Technology and communication costs increased primarily due to higher data fees and our previously communicated investments in data strategy and infrastructure.

William Hult: The high rate environment continued to propel our retail business where revenues grew over 60% year-over-year. The leading indicators of the institutional business remain strong, which achieved record quarterly market share of longer dated US Treasuries versus Bloomberg. Client engagement was healthy with institutional average daily trades up over 60% year-over-year. Automation continues to be an important theme with institutional US Treasury AIX average daily trades increasing by more than 150% year-over-year. Our US Treasuries wholesale business produced its best revenue quarter in our history led by record volumes across our sessions, protocols, and strong growth across our streaming protocol.

Professional fees decreased nine 7%, mainly due to a decrease in legal and consulting fees.

Adjusted General and administrative costs increased due to unfavorable movements in FX unfavorable movements in FX resulted in a $1 4 million dollar loss in <unk> 23 versus a $2.2 million gain in <unk> 'twenty two.

Slide 13 details capital management and our guidance.

On our cash position and capital return policy.

We ended the third quarter in a strong position with nearly $1 $5 billion in cash and cash equivalents free.

Free cash flow reached approximately $645 million for the trailing 12 months up 16% year over year. As a reminder, we funded our yield broker acquisition with cash on hand.

William Hult: While our central-limit order book protocol faced tough market conditions, the team has made initial progress in deepening client wallet share with average daily volume up 20% quarter-over-quarter and we expect to onboard more liquidity providers over the common quarters.

Our net interest income of $17 $5 million increase due to a combination of higher cash balances and interest yields. This was primarily driven by recent fed hikes and more efficient management of our cash.

William Hult: Within equities, our ETF business outperformed the overall market but faced a tough industry backdrop given lower equity market volatility and a lack of price dispersion that minimized portfolio rebalance activity. During the quarter, we added notional-based trading for ETFs to complement our legacy share-based trading, responding to increased demand from asset managers, retail aggregators, and the wealth management community. Other initiatives to expand our equity brand beyond our flagship ETF franchise continue to bear fruit. Institutional equity derivatives revenues were up nearly 30% year-over-year driven by strong double-digit growth across options and convertibles. ADR volumes also saw dramatic-year-over-year income.

Non acquisition Capex and capitalized software development for the quarter was $17 $9 million with the increase driven primarily due to the timing of our investment spend.

Year to date non acquisition Capex and capitalized software development is up 9% year over year.

With this quarter's earnings the board declared a quarterly dividend of nine <unk> per share of class, a and class B common stock.

And finally, we spent approximately $4 $9 million under our share buyback program, which included opportunistic and planned repurchases to offset dilution from stock based compensation plans, leaving approximately $239 $8 million at the end of the quarter for future deployment.

William Hult: Police. Looking ahead, the client pipeline remains strong as the benefits of our electronic solutions continue to resonate. We believe we are well positioned to capitalize on the long-term secular ETF growth story, not just inequities but across our fixed income business.

Turning to guidance items, we are now tightening our 2023 adjusted expenses to range from 670 million to $695 million, including Gilbert there.

We now expect Capex and capitalized software development to be about $56 million to $63 million with the increase due to the yield broker acquisition.

William Hult: Moving on to our international business, which is another component of our growth, revenues grew 18.1% year-over-year on a reported basis, and 13% on a constant current. The growth was driven by strong performance across European government bonds, European swaps, emerging market swaps, European credit and market data. Revenue growth was driven in part by growing adoption across Asian and North American clients, trading non-US products.

And acquisition in Refinish transaction related DNA, which we adjust out due to the increase associated with push down accounting is now expected to be $128 million due to the yield broker acquisition.

For forecasting purposes, we continue to use an assumed non-GAAP tax rate of between 24 and 25% for the year.

And finally, we expect 2024 and 2000 and twenty-five revenues generated under the new Master data agreement with Afinitor to be approximately $80 million and $90 million respectively.

William Hult: Looking forward, we're excited to broaden our international presence with the closing of the yield broker acquisition, which complements our existing rate business, deepens our product presence and expands our client footprint deeper into the APAC region. Similar to Tradeweb, yield broker has a comprehensive product offering across Australian and New Zealand debt capital markets and a diverse set of clients and protocols.

Now I'll turn it back to Billy for concluding remarks.

Thanks Sarah.

These ever changing financial landscape market participants are constantly seeking efficient and reliable trading solutions to navigate periods of market stress and volatility while the first half of this year saw a more challenging macro environment. It did provide our teams with the opportunity to sit down with clients to problems.

William Hult: We have hit the ground running with the integration and we'll be focusing on consolidating technology over the next 18 months. Additionally, we are spending significant time with the talented yield broker employees that we welcome to Tradeweb and with local clients to set the stage for further collaboration.

Solve real time inefficiencies in their current workflows the.

The combination of a reliable product that delivers proven performance improvement the close collaboration with clients to address their pain points and the flexibility to continually enhance that product creates a recipe for perpetual innovation I continue to be excited about the road ahead.

William Hult: Finally today, we announced our new market data agreement with Refinitive, who will distribute our data to their clients for a period of two years. This contract not only generates significantly more revenue for Tradeweb, which Sarah will touch on later, but also provides more flexibility to grow our proprietary data business. We also see additional upside as we build more products to enhance the trading experience of our clients.

With a couple of important month in trading days left in October which tend to be our strongest revenue days overall revenue growth is up mid to high teens relative to October 2022.

The diversity of our growth remains a theme is we are seeing strong volume growth across global government bonds global interest rate swaps corporate credit equity derivatives and global Repos are I G share is higher than September levels, while high yield share is lower than September levels.

William Hult: Separately, we also announced a strategic partnership with FTSE Russell to expand benchmark pricing, broaden index inclusion, and enhance trading functionality across fixed income products. We'll update you on that initiative as we make progress.

I would like to conclude my remarks by thanking our clients for their business and partnership in the quarter and I want to thank my colleagues for their efforts that contributed to our record quarterly volumes and best third quarter revenues at trade web with that I will turn it back to Ashley for your questions.

Thomas Pluta: With that, I will turn it over to Tom. Thanks, Billy.

Thomas Pluta: Turning to slide 7 for a closer look at credit. Strong double-digit revenue growth was driven by 21% and 49% year-over-year revenue growth across US and European credit respectively. This was partially offset by unattractive yield differential still dampening client interest in munis and softer industry trends across credit derivatives. Automation continued to surge with global credit AIX average daily trades increasing over 95% year-over-year. Honing in on US corporate credit, revenue growth was driven by all three client channels.

Thanks, Billy as a reminder, please limit yourself to one question only feel free to hop back into queue and ask additional questions at the end Q&A will end at 10 30, a M. Eastern time, operator, you can now take our first question.

Thank you very much just as a reminder to ask a question you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced so withdraw your question simply press Star one again.

Thomas Pluta: The strong share gains across IG and high yield were driven by our continued focus on providing all our clients, regardless of client channel, with the diverse set of protocols that meet their execution needs across a variety of market environments. This strategy is resonating as we continue to expand our wallet share across RFQ and dealer earth. Q, especially with respect to the rising share we have accomplished within our all to all network.

Now please standby, while we compile the Q&A roster.

And our first question comes from Craig Siegenthaler with Bank of America. Craig. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Tom and thanks for taking my question.

When we take a step back I think we all need to remember that we're still currently in year three of a bond market bear market, which I think makes your results I'm, even more impressed with Tonight, but.

Thomas Pluta: And we continue to grow our leading footprint across portfolio trading and sessions. We also continue to increase our engagement and wallet share with ETF market makers where inquiry volume was up over 80% year over year and traded volume was up over 100% year over year. Finally, we achieved our second highest block market share across both IG and high yields. Our institutional business continues to scale to new highs despite mixed industry volume trends with IG growing 7% but high yield falling 9% year over year.

This has been driving layoffs and expense tightening at the dealers and buy side, so with volumes up but fewer people trading bonds.

What have you been seeing across your client base and we are especially interested in the <unk>.

Low touch no touch Sir.

And also has there been more or less pushback on price recently, thank you.

Yeah, Hey, Craig how are you and thanks very much.

For the question and completely kind of hearing where you're coming from and I think as you know really well.

Thomas Pluta: Our institutional US credit revenues grew over 25% year over year. Looking at the underlying protocols, our primary focus on growing institutional RFQ continues to pay off with ADV growing 29% year over year. With strong double digit growth across both IG and high yield. Overall portfolio trading ADV rose 23% year over year led by growth across US and European PT. In the third quarter, we produced record ADV across IG portfolio trading. Retail credit revenues were up low single digits year over year as financial advisors remained focused on buying US treasuries.

What I would start with as you know our.

Our real core approach for 25 years has been this.

Sort of like collaboration and how we listen to our biggest clients.

A lot of ways. Our biggest clients are the biggest banks. So your question has a lot of sort of real time deliberately to it.

And that collaboration has been a central theme to who we are as a company.

Forever and ever and Youre right there have been some what we would describe as kind of like rough roads.

For some of our Big Bank partners.

Recently, and that's been in the headlines my instinct.

The roughest of those roads.

Significant way has been really on.

Sort of what we would describe it as like the DCM side, the M&A side, the capital market side et cetera. It actually interestingly if you look at the sort of overall global capital markets activity from the biggest banks, it's actually been pretty robust and healthy that being said your point is a good one and.

Thomas Pluta: All trade produced a record quarter with over 137 billion dollars in volume. Our all to all volumes grew over 50% year over year, aided by 60% year over year growth in our dealer RFQ offering. The team continues to be focused on broadening out our network and increasing the number of responses on the all trade platform. In the third quarter, the number of all to all responders rose by over 10% and responses increased by nearly 50% year over year. Our sessions ADV grew over 35% year over year, while rematch produced 30% year over year growth.

Without question there is always this concept of.

Their perspective, a little bit of a pressure to do more with less and so the question becomes like from a bank perspective, how can I connect with my most important clients and the cheapest and most efficient way.

Our instinct is.

That aspect plays very well to us obviously and this migration from kind of high touch trades to low touch trades doing more with less has been like a central theme for us for this year. So like interestingly the numbers kind of bear out where we're putting our intensity.

Thomas Pluta: Looking ahead, US credit remains our biggest focus area and we like the way we are positioned across our three client channels. We believe we have a long runway of growth ahead of us. As I've said in the past electronically, credit is a young market that is ripe for further innovation. The team remains focused on growing our wallet share over the long term led by further product innovation and enhancements as we work with our clients to further electrify the market. Beyond US credit, our EM expansion efforts continue to progress steadily.

Greg AIA X numbers for this year have been exceptionally strong across the board right. So we're up I think over 60% year over year on our flat out <unk> numbers.

On the right side average daily trades from an <unk> perspective, we're up 90% strong adoption like across credit globally in the U S. I believe it's like high 80% and in Europe like low 90. So this is like I've described this is just one way train effect.

Thomas Pluta: One quarter after completing our first Mexican local currency bond trade, we saw our largest EM portfolio trade in September and we completed our first local currency bond trade that utilized our FX all collaboration.

Around how clients are connecting with their most important dealers throughout the rhythms that electronically, that's where we're headed and I think it plays a really large role in allowing the biggest most important banks to make markets to their most important clients efficiently, we talked a little bit on the last quarter around the Rai.

Thomas Pluta: Moving to slide 8, global swaps produced record revenues despite facing a volatile macro environment in the quarter. The third quarter saw continued headwinds from lower duration as clients traded on the shorter end of the yield curve and record compression activity in August.

As of alternative market makers I still think there is this like straightforward headline around how citadel and fit adult life companies continue to enter the marketplace.

Thomas Pluta: Agist. Despite the 17% reduction in duration and elevated quarterly compression activity, which improved materially in September, variable swaps revenues increased 24% year over year. Overall, global swaps revenues grew 20% year over year and market share rose to 18.2% with record share across US dollar denominated swaps. Electronic adoption continues to grow from the U.S. Organization of electronic trading of products for the first time to the expansion of automated trading. During the quarter, we saw certain clients trade swapsions electronically for the first time, a product that we are focused on electrifying.

Around leading with electronics accretion I think that's like a one way trend that obviously, we continue to partner with and collaborate with them we think.

Good for our business.

The fee conversation is always there right and from our perspective, we've navigated the concept of fees.

Again from the very very beginning and I think we're as a company pretty adept at that at the end of the day are you creating value are you figuring out ways to deliver the client base to the most important banks are you picking up market share and all of those things I think we've excelled at that so we feel good about where we are where we are from.

Thomas Pluta: Additionally, we've seen banks look to expand their usage of electronic protocols across their strategies. Finally, we've seen macro hedge funds increasingly look to utilize automated trading as they expand their footprint across global swaps. Electronic adoption is different across our different clients, but the trend is all the same. We believe clients will look to trade more of their flow electronically moving forward. Our core focus is to be the valued partner our clients look towards as they expand their electronic footprint.

Fee perspective, and we're always going to lead with having the most important conversations with the banks listening and collaborating and we feel good about where that relationship is in an overall way.

And thanks, a lot for the question.

Thank you Billy.

Our next question comes from Benjamin bullish with Barclays. Benjamin Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thomas Pluta: Finally, we continue to make progress across emerging markets swaps and are rapidly growing RFM protocol. Our third quarter EM swaps revenues increased over 165% year over year, and we believe there is still a lot of room to grow given the low levels of electrification. Our RFM protocol saw ADD rise over 100% year over year, but adoption picking up especially across our European swaps business. Looking ahead, we believe the long-term swap revenue growth potential is meaningful.

Hi, good morning, and thanks for taking my question I wanted to ask kind of a similar question thinking high level about overall market electronic vacation, specifically on the Treasury D to C business.

From your October Investor presentation, it looks like the sort of electronic penetration has kind of gone up a little bit from prior estimates around 45%, but what are your thoughts on sort of the longer term achievable level how.

How far can that market go relative to the <unk> market and what are the kind of key hurdles to getting there and then how are you going after that opportunity. Thanks.

Yeah Super Good question. It is actually kind of a little bit of a similar theme.

Thomas Pluta: We believe recent cyclical tailwinds around the shape of the yield curve will provide clients with the opportunity to start extending duration. With the market still less than 30% electrified, we believe there remains a lot that we can do to help digitize our clients manual workflows while the global fixed income markets and broader swaps market grow.

That was that I was describing when Craig asked an excellent question as well.

If you kind of heard the way, Tom and I and Sharon spoke like in my office and we've talked about the major priorities of the company without question right at the top of the list would be from our perspective, the focus on kind of increasing the electronic vacation of the very first market trade will present, a way back win which is the treasury market.

Sara Furber: And with that, let me turn it over to Sarah to discuss our financials in more detail. Thanks, Tom, and good morning. As I go through the numbers, all comparisons will be to the prior year period, unless otherwise noted.

Really on the on the dealer to client side, which is kind of interesting.

Yes to start with around your question I think.

Where this market can go and should go in and from my perspective, we'll go take a look at where the wholesale market is on the treasury side the levels of electronic vacation, that's there which is sort of in that 75% to 80% zone that has to be where we're going I would also bring up.

Sara Furber: Let me begin with an overview of our volumes on slide 9. We reported third quarter average daily volume of nearly $1.4 trillion, up nearly 30% year over year, and up 29% when excluding short-tener swaps. Among the 22 product categories that we include in our monthly activity report, 12 of them produced year over year volume growth of more than 20%.

The TBA mortgage market, which is obviously also higher electronic side and that kind of 75% to 80%. So that's where we need to take this right and I've talked a lot about kind of why in.

Sara Furber: Areas of strong growth include global swaps, US investment grade credit, China bonds, equity derivatives, and repos.

<unk> 2023 is we're kind of entering into 2024, there are still clients that pick up the phone and do trades like it's.

Sara Furber: Slide 10 provides a summary of our quarterly earnings performance. The third quarter volume growth translated into gross revenues increasing by 14.4% on a reported basis, and 12.5% on a constant currency basis. We derived approximately 37% of our revenues from international customers, and recall that approximately 30% of our revenue base is denominated in currencies other than dollars, predominantly in yours.

1994, right and the reason why that is is typically larger trades more complex trades still get done on the phone a lot of what we're doing around <unk> from our perspective begins to really address that as we think about the concept of larger trades getting broken down.

Sara Furber: Cros. Our variable revenues increased by 18% and total trading revenues increased by 15%. Total fixed revenues related to our four major asset classes were up 7.8% on a reported and 6.2% on a constant currency basis. Rate fixed revenues growth was driven by the addition of new dealers across our mortgage specified pools platform and our U.S. Treasury streams and cloud protocols. Credit fixed revenue growth was driven by the previously disclosed dealer fee floor price increases, which we instituted at the start of the third quarter. And other trading revenues were up 9%. As a reminder, this line fluctuates as it reflects revenues tied to periodic technology enhancements performed for our retail clients.

That's a little bit of that's sort of the beginning of it all right and so we'll remain like super focused on aspects of the government bond market.

In terms of like how we are how we are really kind of electronic buying like micro things like roll trades on how we're continuing to roll out AI ex trades to a larger group of clients General Instinct is again, if you think about the push and pull that we're dealing with a little bit back to craig's conversation the forward momentum.

Round niche is really strong.

Do you have to get the protocols right, absolutely and so from a from a company perspective, we are highly engaged and highly focused on making sure we get all of those.

Sara Furber: Year-to-date adjusted EBITDA margin of 52.2% increased by 29 basis points on a reported basis and 78 basis points on a constant currency basis from the full year 2022.

Different protocols right I'm happy to.

Thomas Forgotten more about the Treasury market, then I know I grew up as you guys know, it's like a little bit of like a mortgage because we're happy to give.

Sara Furber: Moving on to fees per million on slide 11 and a highlight of the key trends for the quarter. You can see slide 16 of the earnings presentation for additional detail regarding our fee per million performance this quarter. Overall, our blended fees per million decreased 8% year over year. Primarily due to a mixed shift away from cash rates and a decrease in cash credit and cash equities fee per million. For cash rates products, fees per million were up 8%. Primarily due to a positive mixed shift towards higher fee per million U.S. Treasury. U.S. Treasury's fee per million were also aided by the continued pickup in our retail channel.

Tom a little perspective on that if you if you want to add yes, I think I think Billy described described it well I think if you look at some of the specific areas in treasuries that are yet to be electronic side that we're going after as always it's the larger size trades, it's illiquid securities like deep off the runs in chips and strips.

And it's multi legged trades across rates products. So for example, the cash versus futures.

Trade, that's very popular and.

And treasuries versus swaps asset swap trades.

We think that we do have plans for each of these areas with blocks, we're constantly encouraging our clients to push a little further and the size thresholds electronically and we think that will continue to grow over time, Billy mentioned thats been growing rapidly.

Sara Furber: For long-tener swaps, fees per million were down 21%, primarily due to a 17% decline in duration year over year and increase in compression trades. This was partially offset by growth in EM, European swaps, and our RFM protocol. For cash credit, average fees per million decreased 4% due to a mixed shift away from unies, partially offset by an increase in European credit fee per million. For cash equities, average fees per million decreased by 13% due to a mixed shift away from higher fee per million European ETFs and a reduction in U.S. ETFs per million given an increase in notional per share traded.

Now 50% of our U S Treasury tickets are executed.

And it's about 10% to 15% of our treasury volumes.

So.

Increasingly we are seeing more clients take large trades and break them down into smaller pieces and executing algorithmically.

So there's a lot of ways to attack that.

<unk> security solutions that we have for the wholesale market like U S. Treasuries sweep allows dealers to offset very efficiently. There are deep off the run risk and thats continuing to grow and then things like cash teachers basis and swap spreads.

Sara Furber: Recall in the U.S., we charge per share and not for notional value traded. And finally, within money markets, average fees per million increased 5% during by a mixed shift towards U.S. CDs, partially offset by a mixed shift away from EU reposts.

The cross product trades, we are we are working on algorithmic solutions and we feel that.

We do have ways that will make it more efficient to execute these trades electronically. So I think if you look at all of these efforts taken together we are confident that we will continue to grow the share of D to C electronic trading.

Sara Furber: Slide 12 details are adjusted expenses.

Sara Furber: At a high level, the scalability and variable nature of our expense base allows us to continue to invest for growth and grow margins. There has been no change in our philosophy here. Adjusted expenses for the third quarter increased 12.1% on a reported basis and 8.5% on a constant currency basis. Compensation costs increased 14.1% due to increases in headcount and performance-related compensation. Technology and communication costs increased primarily due to higher data fees and our previously communicated investments in data strategy and and Infrastructure.

For your question got it Okay that was very thorough thank you very much.

Okay. Our next question comes from Andrew Bond with Rosenblatt Securities. Andrew Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, Thanks, Good morning, with the recent close be Yo broker transaction can you give us some guidance in terms of revenue run rate and margin profile as you integrate and maybe bigger picture dealmaking in M&A discussions picked up a bit in recent months across the space.

Given trade was operating from a position of strength and increasing cash flow. How are you thinking about further acquisitions to augment your organic growth.

Sara Furber: Professional fees decreased 9.7% mainly due to a decrease in legal and consulting fees. Adjusted general and administrative costs increased due to unfavorable movements in FX. Unfavorable movements in FX resulted in a $1.4 million loss in 3Q23 versus a $2.2 million gain in 3Q22.

Hey, Andrew It's Sarah why don't I start with that thanks for the question, it's nice to hear from you.

On yield broker, obviously, we're really pleased with our acquisition and give you a sense of it for the months that we've owned yield broker revenues were approximately $1 $3 million and those are up about 30% year over year. So that can give you a sense of how to run it.

Sara Furber: Slide 13 details capital management and our guidance. On our cash position and capital return policy, we ended the third quarter in a strong position with nearly $1.5 billion in cash and cash equivalents. Free cash will reach approximately 645 million for the trailing 12 months, up 16% year-over-year.

The business is operating.

Post our acquisition I would say just about a 40% margin.

And as we think about it one of the things. We're excited about is post the technology integration period, which has already begun we think that last for about 18 months, we expect broker to be accretive to our overall corporate margins, albeit a small transaction. So hopefully that gives you enough color just in terms of your modeling.

Sara Furber: As a reminder, we funded our yield broker acquisition with cash on hand. Our net interest income of $17.5 million increased due to a combination of higher cash balances and interest yields. This was primarily driven by recent Fed hikes and more efficient management of our cash.

On your broader question about M&A I think Billy mentioned this last quarter in terms of the earnings call, we've been increasing our focus on M&A versus historical levels.

And we like our positioning I think we can be opportunistic.

Sara Furber: Non-acquisition CAPEX and capitalized software development for the quarter was $17.9 million with the increased driven primarily due to the timing of our investment spend. Year-to-date non-acquisition CAPEX and capitalized software development is up 9% year-over-year.

The scale and the bandwidth of the company has increased so I think our ability to do multiple things at the same time has also increased that doesn't mean, we aren't as confident and we remain really confident in our ability to drive double digit organic growth as well.

On the capital allocation waterfall that we always talk about remain the same first organic then inorganic and then obviously share repo in dividends. When you were talking about and our cash on the balance sheet, but I think one of the thing which is embedded in your question is as we think about how M&A can really be helpful to our franchise, we think about it.

Sara Furber: With this quarter's earnings, the board declared a quarterly given of $0.9 per share of Class A and Class B common stock. And finally, we spent approximately $4.9 million under our share buyback program, which included opportunistic and planned repartises to offset the solution from stock-based compensation plans, leaving approximately $239.8 million at the end of the quarter for future deployment.

Two ways, we think about strategic priorities and that framework and we think about financial framework.

From a strategic perspective, it always starts with is it our right to win and a tradeoff is a great portfolio and there are lots of ways, where we can add value to things that we're acquiring.

Sara Furber: Turning to guidance items, we are now tightening our 2023 adjusted expenses to range from $670 million to $695 million, including yield broker. We now expect CAPEX and capitalized software development to be about $56 to $63 million with the increase due to the yield broker acquisition. An acquisition and definitive transaction related DNA, which we just out due to the increase associated with push down accounting, is now expected to be $128 million due to the yield broker acquisition.

Focused on diversifying our revenue base and client base, you saw that in Youll broker and even going back further in the history, you saw us enter and add new client channels with acquisitions that added the retail channel and the wholesale channel and so I think as we look forward, we think thats still a great way to add new client segments, whether it be things like regional banks.

Corporates down the road or even just deepening client relationships with places that are growing like systematic macro hedge fund.

Sara Furber: For forecasting purposes, we continue to use and assume non-GAAP tax rate of between 24 and 25 percent for the year. And finally, we expect 2024 and 2025 revenues generated under the new master data agreement with Refinitive to be approximately $80 million and $90 million respectively.

We're also obviously focused on increasing our Tam always looking for adjacent or new asset classes or products or regions.

We're looking and we like the rate space, where we have a strong franchise with like Treasury Futures and then lastly, we're very focused on looking at new technology that accelerates our time to market and that we can leverage across a really broad portfolio of businesses. So strategically I think those are our priorities and there are a lot of ways, where inorganic opportunities probably come to market there.

William Hult: Now, I'll turn it back to Billy for concluding remarks. Thanks, Sarah.

William Hult: In today's ever-changing financial landscape market participants are constantly seeking efficient and reliable trading solutions to navigate periods of market stress and volatility. While the first half of this year saw more challenging macro-environment, it did provide our teams with the opportunity to sit down with clients to problem-solve real-time inefficiencies in their current workflows. The combination of a reliable product that delivers proven performance improvement, the close collaboration with clients to address their pain points, and the flexibility to continually enhance that product creates a recipe for perpetual innovation.

And then obviously being CFO I'd like to focus on a disciplined financial framework.

Our focus on making sure they both and enhanced revenue growth, our increased operating leverage and that they would be accretive over the medium term.

So I think you can count on that and Bill you can probably just kind of youre spot on Sarah and spot on.

And as we are kind of talking specifically about yield broker, we always talk about our network and the client footprint and the exact way that you described.

And one of the things about Youll broker that really gets us pretty jazz is concept, obviously of where they are with the superannuation funds, which as everybody knows the fifth largest pension fund market globally, and the ability to cross sell into that client network.

William Hult: I continue to be excited about the road ahead. With a couple of important month-end trading days left in October, which tend to be our strongest revenue days, overall revenue growth is up mid to high teens relative to October 2022. The diversity of our growth remains a theme as we are seeing strong volume growth across global government bonds, global interest rate swaps, corporate credit, equity derivatives, and global reposts. Our IG shares higher than September levels, while high yield share is lower than September.

Quite excited about the acquisitions that you make all the you make all the correct points.

Thanks, Nick Thanks, very much for the question. Thanks, Andrew Thank you Sir.

Okay.

Our next question.

It comes from Patrick Moly with Piper Sandler Patrick Your line is open. Please go ahead.

William Hult: I would like to conclude my remarks by thanking our clients for their business and partnership in the quarter, and I want to thank my colleagues for their efforts that contributed to our record quarterly volumes and best third quarter revenues at TradeWeb.

Yes. Good morning, Thanks for taking my question I, just had one on regulation and I know you've spoken about this in the past, but it seems like <unk>, maybe getting closer to issuing a final rule central clearing for cash treasuries.

Ashley Serrao: With that, I will turn it back to Ashley for your questions. Thanks, Billy. As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question only. Feel free to hop back into Q and ask a different questions at the end. Q enable end at 10.30 a.m. Eastern time.

Get your updated thoughts on this what do you think the probability is we see something here before the end of the year and then maybe just an update on the impact you expect this to have one trade web business in treasury markets more broadly thanks.

Unknown Attendee: Operator, you can now take out first question. Thank you very much. Just as a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. So withdraw your questions, simply press star 11 again.

Hi, Good morning, Patrick and yes, very timely question.

So.

Spansion of U S Treasury central clearing remains a top priority for the SEC as well as the U S Treasury and the New York Fed. So it is happening it's coming we do expect a final rule should be released in the next two to three months.

Unknown Attendee: Now please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster.

And still not ruling out.

A chance that it gets released before the U S. Treasury annual conference, which is on November 16th.

Craig Siegenthaler: And our first question comes from Craig Segan-Solar with Bank of America. Craig, your line is open. Please go ahead.

In three weeks.

There is a lot of complexity to the implementation of this type of rule operationally risk management systems have to be updated models have to be updated new participants will need to be connected to the clearinghouse changes to the ICC default funds waterfalls and things like that so there will be a significant phase in period.

William Hult: Good morning, Billy. Thanks for taking my question. When we take a step back, I think we all need to remember that we're still currently in year three of a bond market bear market, which I think makes your results even more impressive today. But this has been driving layoffs and expense tightening at the dealers and by side. So with volumes up, but fewer people trading bonds, what have you been seeing across your client base?

The industry is talking about.

Maybe three to five years to get it all done potentially in stages. The SEC may say, hey, let's try to get this done in two years, but it will take.

Number of years, there are differences of opinions about how this would be stage something that we'll focus on getting clearer and of U S. Treasury repo done first others don't think that others think it'll be stage by client type like maybe getting the.

William Hult: And we're especially interested in the low touch and no touch services like AIX and also has there been more or less pushback on price reasons. Thank you. Yeah. Hey, Craig, how are you? And thanks very much. You know, for the question and completely kind of hearing where you're coming from. And I think as you know, really well, what I would start with is, you know, our, you know, real core approach for, you know, 25 years has been this sort of like collaboration and how we listen to our biggest clients and, you know, in a lot of ways, our biggest clients are the biggest banks.

Pts and hedge funds to start clearing and then go to other types of.

Clients later, but regardless of the precise form it is coming as far as the question about how it impacts trade web.

We're pretty confident that when adopted this rule will be directionally positive for us.

With a lot more trades being centrally cleared without settlement risk and credit checks and things like that E trading should continue to increase.

William Hult: So your question has a lot of sort of real time validity to it. And that collaboration has been, you know, a central theme to who we are as a company, you know, forever and ever. And you're right, there have been some what we would describe as kind of like rough roads, you know, for some of our big bank partners. You know, recently, and that's been in the headlines, my instinct is the roughest of those roads in a sort of significant way.

For all the obvious reasons easier to submit trades at the clearinghouse anonymous protocols should be encouraged to grow. So we did observe this one when the dollar swap market moved to central clearing.

As far as overall volumes in the market, we don't think.

So this will have any particular impact there is benefits to many participants at this happens theres new cost to other participants and despite some lobbying against against this.

William Hult: It's been really on the sort of what we would describe as like the DCM side, the, the MNA side, the capital market side, et cetera. And actually, interestingly, if you look at the sort of overall kind of global capital markets activity from the biggest banks, you know, it's actually been pretty robust and healthy. That being said, you know, your point is a good one. And without question, there is always this concept of, you know, from their perspective, a little bit of a pressure to do more with less.

Expansion.

We think that the treasury volumes won't be impacted.

And the only thing I'll add just really quickly at the at the <unk>.

Risk of becoming like the trade web historian we've done a really good job.

Navigating the regulatory wins in a bunch of the very big markets that we are in frontline and center would be obviously, our global interest rate swap business and so our ability to have a strong voice around ultimately how regulation gets implemented into the marketplace has been something that we've consistently had and Tom <unk>.

William Hult: And so the question becomes like, from a bank perspective, how can I connect with my most important clients in the cheapest and most efficient way? Okay, you know, our instinct is, you know, that aspect plays very well to us obviously. And this migration from kind of high touch trades to low touch trades, doing more with less has been like a central theme for us, you know, for this year. So like interestingly, the numbers kind of bear out, where we're putting our intensity, Craig AIX numbers, you know, for this year, have been like exceptionally strong like across the board, right?

Like a significant expertise around these issues that makes us feel really good that the outcome around how this regulation plays out will ultimately be beneficial for us and something that we want to be straightforward involved in.

And again, thanks again for the question.

Yes. Thank you that's great color.

Yes.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Daniel Fannon with Jefferies. Daniel Your line is open go ahead.

William Hult: So we're up, I think over 60% year over year on our flat out AIX numbers. You know, on the rate side, avid daily trades from an AIX perspective are up 90% strong adoption like across credit globally in the US, I believe it's like high 80% and in Europe, like low 90. So this is like, I've described this as like just one way train effect around how clients are connecting with their most important dealers to algorithms and electronically.

Thanks, Good morning.

I was hoping to get some high level perspective, just given the uncertain macro backdrop can you discuss the what would be an ideal environment for your products suite to see the highest growth. It feels like October is showing a lot of these trends, but would love your perspective.

Yes, it's a good question.

And not that I'm sort of like known for non answers but.

Actually like a pretty tough question to kind of answer perfectly Dan, but I'll do my best.

William Hult: That's where we're headed. And I think it plays a really large role in allowing, you know, the biggest most important banks to make markets to their most important clients efficiently. You know, we talked a little bit on the last quarter around the rise of alternative market makers, I still think there's this like straight forward headline around how Citadel and Citadel like companies continue to enter the marketplace. You know, around leading with electronic occasion, I think that's like a one way trend that obviously we continue to partner with and collaborate with and we think, you know, is good for our business.

We're in 50 50 products globally and three different client channels. So trying to always figure out like what ultimately is that sort of a best environment can be different because to make it obvious point.

These different businesses are affected differently by the environment and that's a part of kind of our business outlook first of all I would say just in general to your question Dan.

Concept of an upward sloping yield curve, which I think has seen 80% of the time from our perspective lead clients to trade on the longer end of the curve, which obviously increases duration, which has an overall positive for our business right second thing I would just say is what I would describe as sort of like normal market.

William Hult: The fee conversation is always there, right? And from our perspective, we've navigated the concept of fees, you know, again, from the very, very beginning, and I think we're as a company, pretty adept at that. At the end of the day, are you creating value? Are you figuring out ways to deliver the client base to the most important banks? Are you picking up market share and all of those things? I think we've excelled at that.

William Hult: So we feel good about where we are, where we are from a fee perspective. And we're always going to lead with having the most important conversations with the banks, listening and collaborating and we feel good about where that relationship is in an overall way.

And that becomes almost like a difficult thing to perfectly say exactly what is normal market volatility, but something around like the normal cadence of market.

Having something also thats first from our perspective that kind of healthy debate around direction of the market has been beneficial to us right and so to make an obvious point and we talked about this a little bit earlier in the year shocks to the system like happened around the pandemic or the regional bank crisis.

William Hult: And thanks a lot for the question. Thank you, Billy.

When there can be.

Market dysfunction tend to be setbacks as clients take risk off and im kind of describing the back and forth.

Benjamin Budish: Our next question comes from Benjamin Budish with Barclays. Benjamin, your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning and thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask kind of a similar question, thinking high level about, you know, overall market electrification, specifically on the Treasury D to see business. You know, I saw from your your October investor presentation, it looked like the sort of electronic penetration has kind of gone up a little bit from prior estimates, you know, around 45%.

Of things and then the last thing I would just say, which I think is an interesting point because we're seeing it kind of play out in that important region.

A market that is free from what we would describe.

Benjamin Budish: But what are your thoughts on sort of the longer term, achievable level, you know, how far can that market go relative to the D to D market? And what are the kind of key hurdles to getting there? And how are you going after that opportunity? Thanks.

As.

Limited yield curve control for example, what had happened in Japan.

But with the with.

With what the what the Doj has taken off in terms of yield curve control is.

Healthy outcomes for our business right and so we're seeing that play out in that region and that would be the third kind of dynamic that I would sort of describe to you but without question from our perspective. This is a really.

William Hult: Yeah, super good question, Ben. And it is actually kind of a little bit of a similar theme that I was that I was describing when Craig asked the next one question as well. You know, if you kind of heard the way Tom and I and Sarah spoke like in, you know, in my office, and we talked about, you know, the major priorities of the company, without question right at the top of the list would be from our perspective, the focus on kind of increasing the electrification of the very first market trade what was in way back when, which is the Treasury market, particularly on the deal to client side, which is kind of interesting.

Good environment and so you hear this from my.

Consciously always aware of what environment, we are in but at the same time always very well aware of.

Up market share in all of these businesses that we are in and then this continued sort of like migration around phone business into the electronic world always remains from my perspective like the number one priority of the of the company. So it's an interesting kind of balance and it's an excellent question that you have.

William Hult: You know, to start with a ranger question, I think, you know, from where this market can go and should go and from my perspective, will go take a look at where the wholesale market is on the Treasury side, the levels of electrification that's there, which is sort of in that 75 to 80% zone that has to be where we're going. I would also bring up the, the TBA mortgage market, which is obviously also highly electrified in that kind of 75 to 80% zone, that's where we need to take this, right.

Thank you.

Great. Thanks.

Please standby for our next question.

Which is from Kyle Voigt with K BW Kyle Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah.

Hi, good morning.

So maybe just a follow up with respect to Dan's question.

We've had we've seen a lot of pockets of extreme ball over the last few years.

William Hult: And I've talked a lot about kind of why in, you know, 2023 as we're kind of entering into 2024, you know, there are still clients that pick up the phone and do trades like it's, you know, 1994. Right. And, and the reason why that is is typically, you know, larger trades more complex trades will get done on the phone. A lot of what we're doing around AIX from our perspective begins to really address that as we think about the concept of larger trades getting broken down.

With the pandemic and the banking crisis.

And with long end rates now in October kind of hitting their highest levels since <unk> seven and the move index spiking back higher I was just curious if you can provide a bit more color on what youre seeing in October in terms of the interest rate swaps market. We're obviously seeing really strong volumes I don't know if you can comment there on whether youre seeing.

Above the kind of mid to high teens that you said for the total company on the swaps business specifically and then also if you could just comment on whether there's any evidence of deleveraging alongside these really strong volumes or whether this is all about creating just better demand for hedging.

William Hult: That's a little bit of the sort of beginning of it all, right. And so we'll remain like super focused on aspects of the government bond market. In terms of like how we are really kind of electrifying like micro things like roll trades, how we're continuing to roll out AIX trades to our larger group of clients. General instinct is again, if you think about the push and pull that we're dealing with a little bit back to Craig's conversation, the forward momentum around this is really strong.

Great. Good morning, Kyle Yes, so we've definitely had volatility spikes.

Including the Big one in March of this year during our regional banking crisis, when the move index hit I think 200, but the.

Current vol levels that we've seen have been consistent with what we've had over the last two years have moved sort of in this 100 to 160 range. Most of the time during this aggressive fed tightening tightening cycle and currently it's about 130. So we do feel that the current levels of delivered volatility are very healthy for our business we're seeing.

William Hult: You have to get the protocols right. Absolutely. And so from a company perspective, we are highly engaged and highly focused on making sure we get all of those different protocols, right. I'm happy to, you know, promise forgotten more about the treasury markets than like I know I grew up as you guys know, it's like a little bit of like a mortgage keep so happy to give. You know, Tom a little perspective on that if you want to add.

Hedging activity in swaps as large trading large bank trading Def are focused on prudent risk management. The regional banks, obviously their practices have been highlighted and theyre doing some more hedging.

The other positive thing I think going forward is there is still a very wide dispersion on views around the path of inflation, whether the fed hikes anymore, whether theyre going to start cutting soon or whether they will be on an extended.

Thomas Pluta: Yeah, I think I think Billy described described it well. I think if you look at some of the specific areas and treasuries that are yet to be electrified that we're going after as always, it's the larger size trades. It's a liquid securities like debuff the runs and tips and strips and it's multi leg trades across rates products. So, for example, the cash versus futures trade that's very popular and and treasures versus swaps asset swap trades.

Hold period, so because of that I think high levels of activity.

We will continue as people have a lot of different different views there and react to every data point that comes out as.

As far as the question about deleveraging, we really haven't seen it.

I think the hedge fund community has done very well on this extended move higher in rates and the steepening of the curve they've been on those trends. So there is still healthy amounts of activity from all our various.

Thomas Pluta: We think that we do have plans for each of these areas with blocks. We're constantly encouraging our clients to push a little further in the size thresholds electronically and we think that we'll continue to grow over time. Billy mentioned a acts that's been growing rapidly. That's now 50% of our US treasury tickets are executed by a acts and it's about 10 to 15% of our treasury volumes. So, you know, increasingly, we've seen more clients take large trades and break them down into small pieces and executing algorithmically by a acts.

Client segments, and I think your point on the curve Steepening is a good one we've had a massive steepening and disinvestment of the curve over the last four months.

Pretty staggering if you look at a very broad curve measures a two year against 30 year treasuries.

That's moved over 100 basis points or four months from negative 105 to just about zero. This morning. So the steeper curve that we're seeing is allowing for extension of duration trades out the curve, which of course is positive for us as well so.

Thomas Pluta: So there's a lot of ways to attack that on the on the liquid securities solutions that we have for the wholesale market like US treasury sweep allows dealers to offset very efficiently there are deep off the run risk and that that's continuing to grow. And on things like cash futures basis and swap spreads across product trades, we are we are working on algorithmic solutions and we feel that we do have ways that will make it more efficient to execute these trades electronically. So I think if you look at all of these efforts taken together, we are confident that we will continue to grow the share of D to see electronic trading.

Only other general point I would make to add on to <unk> comment from the last question is over the last four years, we've been through a really wide range of macro environments.

The COVID-19 volatility to the fed cutting rates from two 5% to zero now back up to five 5% as inflation has surged we've had <unk> in that period Q T. We've had.

Bank failures and big yield curve shifts, but through all of those environments trade web has continued to deliver significant revenue growth Cigna.

Benjamin Budish: Thanks for your question, Ben. That was very thorough.

Unknown Attendee: Thank you very much.

Significant volume growth and significant income growth. So I think Thats a testament to as Bill said, we've got 50 products around the world across asset classes and the various client channels. So I think that diversification benefit.

Andrew Bond: Okay, our next question comes from Andrew Bond with Rosenblatt Securities. Andrew, your line is open, please go ahead. Hey, thanks, good morning.

Sara Furber: With the recent close to the Yo-Broker transaction, can you give us some guidance in terms of revenue, run rate and margin profile as you integrate? It may be bigger picture, deal making and emanate discussions picked up a bit in recent months across the space. Given trade was operating from a position of strength and increasing cash flow, how are you thinking about further acquisition? What are your positions to augment your organic growth?

We're continuing to see over and over through the macro cycles and I think remains a key differentiating strength for us going forward.

And we're going to keep working at it like the focus is going to be.

The focus and it's really going to be on this concept back to that first very first question about the business like the concept of 60% of the of the client dealer electronic.

William Hult: Hey, Andrew, it's Sarah. When do I start with that? Thanks for the question. It's nice to hear from you. On Yo-Broker, obviously, we're really pleased with our acquisition to give you a sense of it. For the months that we've owned Yo-Broker, revenues were approximately $1.3 million. And those are up about 30% year over year, so that can give you a sense of how to run-lead it. The business is operating, you know, post our acquisition.

William Hult: I would say just about a 40% margin. And as we think about it, one of the things we're excited about is post the technology integration period, which is already begun. We think that lasts for about 18 months. We expect Yo-Broker to be accreted to our overall corporate margins. You know, albeit a small transaction. So, hopefully that gives you enough color just in terms of your modeling. On your broader, you know, question about M&A, you know, I think Billy mentioned this last quarter in terms of the earnings call.

60% of the client dealer business in treasuries still being done like it's 1994 is the thing that keeps us.

If it is energized as a company as we are.

And so our focus going forward is it going to be continue to electronic Fi. These markets that we live and breathe in through that collaboration that we described with our most important clients.

That's all of the kind of upside that we feel so strongly about in terms of what we do.

And thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Alexander Blow steam with Goldman Sachs. Alexander Your line is open.

Hey, guys good morning.

Maybe just building on this last question around global swaps and look at the volumes are obviously continue to surprise to the upside over the course of the quarter.

William Hult: We've been increasing our focus on M&A versus historical levels. We like our positioning and think we can be opportunistic. The scale in the bandwidth of the company is increased. So, I think our ability to do multiple things at the same time has also increased. That doesn't mean we aren't as confident and we remain really confident in our ability to drive double digit organic growth as well. The capital allocation waterfall that we always talk about remain the same.

And based on the <unk> data October looks pretty awesome as well. So obviously volatility is a part of that but there's been quite a bit of noise, given the LIBOR transition et cetera, and compression volumes that you've highlighted in the past. So I know, it's difficult, but could you help sort of dissect the recent volume trends and sort of frame.

What is sort of transitory.

William Hult: So, first organic then in organic and then obviously share repo and dividends when you're talking about in our cash on the balance sheet. But I think one of the things which is embedded in your question is, as we think about how M&A can really be helpful to our franchise, we think about it in two ways. We think about strategic priorities and that framework and we think about financial framework. So, you know, from a strategic perspective, it always starts with is it our right to win.

<unk> is more things that <unk> been talking about it with expansion of protocols or expansion of clients.

And the environment, so that kind of framework would be helpful. And then when it comes to fee per million and Dino separate question, but sort of related any way to help us frame.

What extent extension of duration that we are seeing in the market today could help that swap fee fee per million as we look out thanks.

Sure Great question and great.

Great to hear from you Alex so.

William Hult: You know, Trito has a great portfolio and there are lots of ways where we can add value to things that we're acquiring. We're focused on diversifying our revenue base and client base. You saw that in yield broker and even going back further in the history, you saw us enter and add new client channels with acquisitions that added the retail channel and the wholesale channel. And so, I think as we look forward, we think that's still a great way to add new client segments, whether it be things like regional banks or corporates down the road or even just deepening client relationships with places that are growing like systematic macro hedge funds.

In the normal course of business compression activity ebbs and flows and moves around a lot as far as the LIBOR transition, which was completed on June 30th that's all done we kind of thought that might've been a peak from all of that activity, but you're right. It's continued to move.

Continue to see increases.

Generally what happens with compressions as clients put risk on through the risk trades and an old risk on the books. They they manage off the books through compression. What we've seen is we've on boarded we've on boarded some large macro hedge funds that have been doing a very significant amount of compression trading with us recently and thats.

William Hult: We're also obviously focused on increasing our time, always looking for adjacent or new asset classes or products or regions. You know, we're looking, we like the right space where we have a strong franchise, we like treasury futures. And then lastly, we're very focused on looking at new technology that accelerates our time to market and that we can leverage across a really broad portfolio of businesses. So, strategically, I think those are our priorities and there are a lot of ways where inorganic opportunities probably come to market there.

Led to the uptick.

For example, in the third quarter, we saw 100% year over year growth and greater than one year compression activity Adv versus say, 20%.

In greater than one year risk trading Adv and swap so.

Definitely very elevated so I guess, what I would describe as more question trading is obviously good yes, we get paid less for it but it leads to the significant increase in volumes.

William Hult: And then obviously, you know, being CFO will always focus on the discipline of financial framework. We're focused on making sure they both can, you know, enhance revenue growth or increase operating leverage and that they'd be accretive over the medium term. So, I think you can count on that and, you know, Billy can probably sign. And your spot on, Sarah, and spot on. You know, as we are kind of talking specifically about yield broker, we always talk about our network and the client footprint in the exact way that you described.

Offset to that obviously has an impact on an FTE.

A negative impact on <unk>, but generally the more businesses is good I guess.

Sarah.

I think Tom as well put it I think.

In terms of fee per million, which obviously is a complicated metric it's really announce but we are obviously focused on revenue growth.

William Hult: You know, and one of the things about yield broker that really gets us, you know, pretty jazz is this concept, obviously, of where they are with the superannuation funds, which as everybody knows, the fifth largest pension fund market globally, and the ability to cross sell into that client network is quite excited about the acquisition. So, you make all the correct points. And thanks very much for the question. Thanks, Andrew.

It fluctuate on a quarterly basis, so I'll try to give you a little bit more color.

So one year plus slot so greater than one year swaps fee per million, even through the third quarter. It was relatively volatile volatile. So we had lower than August and then we saw a rebound in September and it followed a decrease in compression activity in September but obviously it is remaining elevated and in October compression activity is.

Sara Furber: Thank you, Sarah and Billy.

Higher.

Which has a negative impact on.

Patrick Moley: Our next question comes from Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Patrick, your line is open, please go ahead. Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just had one on regulation, and I know you've spoken about this in the past, but it seems like SEC is maybe getting closer to issuing a final rule, central clearing for cash treasuries. I was hoping to just get your updated thoughts on this. What do you think the probability is we see something here before the end of the year, and then maybe just an update on the impact you expect us to have on Tradeweb's business and treasury markets more broadly. Thanks.

That said duration is also an incredibly important factor on fee per million and duration would be things like increasing.

The duration of trading and risk trading and we are seeing positive signs of that in October, particularly there's been more volatility on the longer term.

So per million impacted by both of those thing.

Honestly like as Tom said overall, we want to see our clients trading on our platform and our focus on overall revenues, which remained strong and as you know Alex we kind of live and breathe with these what we describe as like micro trading protocols right and so that's really code word for like understanding how your clients engage with the marketplace right. So.

William Hult: Good morning, Patrick, and yes, very timely question. So the expansion of US treasury central clearing remains a top priority for the SEC, as well as the US treasury in New York Fed. So it is happening, it's coming. We do expect the final rule should be released in the next two to three months, and still not ruling out a chance that it gets released before the US treasury annual conference, which is on November 16 in three weeks.

A little while ago in Europe, specifically with European swaps and Tom mentioned, the macro hedge fund community. We launched a protocol that we call request for market, which was the ability for clients to trade.

On one or the other side of our marketplace and that is really the habit in the style of how those clients trade, we wound up picking up market share from launching that protocol, but as importantly on boarded those clients, which led to some of the sort of compression activity that Tom was describing and then things feed on them.

William Hult: There is a lot of complexity to the implementation of this type of rule operationally risk management systems have to be updated, models have to be updated, new participants will need to be connected to the clearing house, changes to the FICC default funds, waterfalls, and things like that. So there will be a significant stays in period. The industry is talking about maybe three to five years to get it sort of all done potentially in stages.

Solves from there so there's a constant sort of ability to create protocols that mimic real trading workflow is really an intense focus that we have as a company.

Got it.

Alex good to.

Are you guys at all thanks.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you our next call comes from Alex Kramm with UBS.

William Hult: The SEC may say, hey, let's try to get this done in two years, but it will take a number of years. There are differences of opinions about how this would be staged. Some think that they'll focus on getting clearing US treasury repo done first. Others don't think that others think it'll be staged by client type, like maybe getting the ETFs and hedge funds to start clearing and then go to other types of clients later, but regardless of the precise form, it is coming.

Yes, Alex go ahead.

Good thanks, very much good morning.

I don't think anybody has asked about the new data agreement unless I've missed it but why don't we go there for a second and I'm, particularly interested in your commentary around.

I'm paraphrasing here, but more freedom to pursue your proprietary opportunities so.

Can you maybe just remind us what you have in place today, that's not through <unk> definitive.

William Hult: As far as the question about how it impacts trade web, we're pretty confident that when adopted, this rule will be directionally positive for us with a lot more trades being centrally clear without settlement risk and credit checks and things like that. E-trading should continue to increase for all the obvious reasons, easier to submit, trades at the clearing house, anonymous protocols should be encouraged to grow. And we did observe this when the dollar swap market moved to central clearing.

And kind of what initiatives. You think you are now more able to do and obviously the greatest thing would be if you have any idea about the Tam for those those things that you can now pursue maybe easier than you had in the past. Thanks.

We were thinking we might get asked that question. So we have like three pages of preparation for no. One is more prepared than Sarah. So you take this is a great question, yes. Thank you.

We're really pleased about the new data deal I think from RSC.

William Hult: As far as overall volumes in the market, we don't think that this will have any particular impact. There's benefits to many participants that this happens. There's new costs to other participants, and despite some lobbying against this expansion, we think that treasury volumes won't be impacted.

It's largely covering the same datasets in the prior contract, but it definitely does allow us to have more flexibility and do things alongside on a nonexclusive basis.

It does position both companies I think for win win and so importantly, our ability to grow not only that line with new use cases, but grow our third party data line.

William Hult: And the only thing I would add just really quickly, at the risk of becoming like the trade web historian, we've done a really good job navigating the regulatory wins in a bunch of the very big market fair. We are in front line and center would be obviously our global industry swap business. And so our ability to have a strong voice around ultimately how regulation gets implemented into the marketplace has been something that we've consistently had and Tom brings like a significant expertise around these issues that makes us feel really good, that the outcome around how this regulation plays out will ultimately be beneficial for us and something that we want to be straightforward involved in. And again, thanks again for the question. Yeah, thank you.

It's really a lot of the flexibility the FTSE announcement that came out I think it came out yesterday is a perfect example, where we are going to monetize that through selling clothing prices. Some of which are affinitive will do and some of which we can often do on our own.

Unknown Attendee: That's great.

So I think that is a key important point and I think the flexibility allows us to make sure that the data is getting in the hands of as many people as possible, which really is an important benefit for the market I would just add one other point, which is we're pleased with this but obviously.

Primary focus away from Affinitive and growing the third party data line, which is growing well in excess of double digits is to deliver better client execution outcomes and that is multiples of value in our mind of how we monetize it.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Daniel Fannon with Jeffries. Daniel, your line is open. Go ahead. Thanks. Good morning. Billy was hoping to get some high level perspectives, just given the uncertain macro backdrop.

Perfect.

Excellent thanks, guys.

Great. Thanks for the question.

Thereby for our next question.

Yeah.

William Hult: Can you discuss the what would be an ideal environment for your products week to see the highest growth. It feels like that. October is showing a lot of these trends that would love your perspective. Yeah, it's a good question. And not that I'm sort of like known for non-answers, but it's actually like a pretty tough question to kind of answer perfectly. Dan, but I'll do my best. You know, we're in 50, you know, 50 products globally and three different client channels.

And we have Chris Allen with Citi, Chris Your line is open.

Good morning, everyone and thanks for taking the question.

Maybe just one on credit you noticed noted the second hottest block block market share across both high yield.

Any color on where that is currently what are the kind of keys to gaining more share there and also on the ETF market makers, just kind of curious how material material. They are to your current business and any opportunity to penetrate deeper.

William Hult: So trying to always figure out like what ultimately is that sort of best environment can be different because to make an obvious point. I mean, you know, these different businesses are are expected differently by the environment, and that's a part of kind of our business outlook. First of all, I would say just in general to your question, Dan, you know, the concept of an upward sloping yield curve, which I think it's seen 80% of the time from our perspective, we've clients to trade on the longer end of the curve, which obviously increases duration, which is an overall positive for our business, right.

Okay.

Hi, Chris Good morning.

Yes, as far as the credit block trading efforts, it's still relatively early in terms of our <unk>.

Penetrating the block market, but we did achieve our <unk>.

<unk> highest block share.

Cross IAG and high yield in the third quarter. Our efforts right now are really led by portfolio trading as it's a protocol that is really well suited for going after the block market. So and we're also continuing to focus on.

Ways to deliver dealer inventories and axis, most efficiently to clients and Thats, where the big size can also gets done. So we're quite focused on that and we do expect to continue to grow going forward and overall I think our penetration across all three client channels really does put us in a strong position to build salute.

William Hult: Second thing I would just say is what I would describe as sort of like normal market volatility and that becomes almost like a difficult thing to perfectly say exactly what is normal market volatility, but something around like the normal cadence of market. And having something also that spurs from our perspective, that kind of healthy debate around direction of the market has been beneficial to us, right. And so, you know, to make an obvious point, and we talked about this a little bit earlier in the year, shocks to the system, like happened around the pandemic or the regional bank crisis, when there can be, you know, market dysfunction tend to be setbacks as clients take risk off.

<unk> that that will continue to grow those volumes on the ETF market maker.

<unk> clearly ETF.

Trend and the growth in Etfs is very strong and very healthy and will continue for years to come.

Particularly in fixed income so we've seen our ETF volumes grow we've seen.

The interaction with ETF market makers and cash credit continue to grow and we think that will be growing share of our market I believe it's around 10%.

William Hult: And I'm kind of describing the back and forth, you know, of things. And then the last thing I would just say which I think is an interesting point because we're seeing it kind of play out in an important region, you know, a market that's free from what we would describe as, you know, limited yield curve control for example, you know, what had happened in Japan. But, you know, with what the, what the, what the DOJ has taken off in terms of yield curve control is, you know, a very healthy outcomes for our business, right.

William Hult: And so we're seeing that play out in that region. And that would be the third kind of dynamic that I would sort of describe to you. But without question, you know, from our perspective, this is a really, you know, good environment. And so, you know, you hear this from me, consciously always aware of what environment we are in. But at the same time, always very well aware of, you know, picking up market share and all of these businesses that we are in.

10% for us today, but we do see.

That sector of the market continuing to grow going forward.

Thanks for the question.

Thanks.

Thank you and our next question comes from Kenneth Worthington with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead hi, good morning, Thanks for squeezing me in one.

I wanted to ask about the Treasury club business, you mentioned fierce competition in the prepared remarks, I guess, whereas trade webs market share currently and as the new liquidity providers come on where would you expect that to go and then on the fierce competition are they leading with price or are there other factors driving share and then I guess.

Lastly, I think MSI Dom was more dominant and off the run how do you see sort of the Treasury Club club competing in the on the run versus the off the run markets.

William Hult: And then this continued sort of like migration around, you know, phone business into the electronic world always remains from my perspective like the number one priority of the company. So it's an interesting kind of balance. And it's an excellent question that you asked. And thank you.

Hey, Ken.

Good morning.

So we did get through the data center migration earlier this year as you know the client feedback on that has been positive and the team has been.

Unknown Attendee: Thank you.

Continually focused on boarding more clients and trying to grow with our existing ones that process does take time theres a lot of coding and calibrating involved.

Balancing against other technology priorities at all of these firms, but we did see our share bottom in April and begin to rise. Since then we think we do have a lot of potential to narrow the gap with.

Kyle Voigt: Please stand by for our next question, which is from Kyle Voigt with KBW. Kyle, your line is open. Please go ahead.

Kyle Voigt: Hi, good morning. So maybe just a follow up with respect to Dan's question. We've seen a lot of pockets of extreme ball over the last few years with the pandemic and the banking crisis and with long end rates now on October, kind of hitting their highest levels since 07 and the move index, spiking back higher. I was just curious if you could provide a bit more color on what you're seeing in October in terms of the interest rates while market.

With our larger competitors.

In addition, the other huge part of our U S. Treasury actives business as we call. It are on the run business is our wholesale streaming protocol, which continues to grow significantly. So the combination of these two protocols.

Allows us to provide.

Great liquidity alternatives to our wholesale clients increasingly.

Who try to integrate those two offerings.

Give clients.

Kyle Voigt: We're obviously seeing really strong volumes. I don't know if you can comment there on whether you're seeing above the kind of mid to high teens that you said for the total company on the swaps business specifically. And then also if you could just comment on whether there's any evidence of the leveraging alongside these really strong volumes or whether this is simple creating just better demand for hedging. Great, good morning, Kyle. Yeah, so we've definitely had volatility spikes, including the big one in March of this year during the regional banking crisis when the move index hit I think 200.

Different opportunities to access the actives market, so as far as factors driving share I think it's kind of I think it is that I think it is providing.

Complete solution across the access business as opposed to just looking at the cloud. We're looking at streams are looking at something else and that's what that's what we're focused on as far as the question on on the run versus off the run our offering is it on the run platform.

For the time being.

Kyle Voigt: But the current ball levels that we've seen have been consistent with what we've had over the last two years of move sort of in this 100 to 160 range most of the time during this aggressive that tightening tightening cycle and currently it's about 130. So we do feel that the current levels of delivered volatility are very healthy for our business. We're seeing consistent hedging activity in swaps of large trading large bank trading deaths are focused on prudent risk management, the regional banks, obviously their practices have been highlighted and they're doing some more hedging.

But thanks for the question.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Our next question comes from Michael <unk> with Morgan Stanley Michael Your line is open.

Great. Thanks for squeezing me in here just a question on the new Bank capital requirements. The Basel III end game proposed so just curious how you see the proposal potentially impacting the marketplaces, where you operate just in terms of volumes liquidity competitive landscape and how might that proposal impact the opportunity set for trade web with potential for more activity to move towards.

The electronic markets and any sort of thoughts on which areas might be slated to benefit most from <unk>.

Hi, Michael.

Great to hear from me so.

Kyle Voigt: The other positive thing I think going forward is there's still a very wide dispersion on views around the path of inflation, whether that hikes anymore, whether they're going to start cutting soon or whether they will be on an extended hold period. So because of that, I think high levels of activity will continue as people have a lot of different views there and react to every data point that comes out. As far as the question about the leveraging, we really haven't seen it.

The Basel III end game is sort of the process of finalizing and implementing these rules.

Essentially.

What I think about how we think about it is it's the prospect of yet more additional capital charges on banks, which continues the trend that we've seen since the GSE and the Dodd Frank rules came out so what that means is unfortunately I think it is harder for banks to continue to grow their balance sheets. They are committed to these markets.

Kyle Voigt: I think the hedge fund community has done very well on this extended move higher in rates and the steepening of the curve they've been on those trends. So there's still healthy amounts of activity from all our various client segments. And I think your point on the curve steepening is a good one. We've had a massive steepening and disinversion of the curve over the last four months, you know, pretty staggering. If you look at a very broad curve measure, say two year against 30 year treasuries, that's moved over 100 basis points of four months from negative 105 to just about zero this morning.

And certainly can't grow in line with the continued growth in fixed income markets because it's growing.

Deficits and debt loads. So I think what this allows for as far as market structure is the continued emergence of these non traditional market makers, we should probably stop calling them that because they're they're huge factors in the market already but.

Kyle Voigt: So the steeper curve that we're seeing is allowing for extension of duration trades out the curve, which of course is positive for us as well. So, you know, the only other general point I would make to add on to Billy's comment from the last question is over the last four years, we've been through a really wide range of macro environments, the COVID volatility, the Fed cutting rates from two and a half percent to zero and now back up to five and a half percent as inflation is surged.

These other types of market makers will continue to grow to fill in the gaps the pts the algorithmic and systematic market makers continuing to come in and grow.

These types of dealers, they're heavily quant oriented their data oriented they lead with technology and they trade most of the business electronically. So this should continue to grow this development in these trends should continue to grow the electronic share of the market and lead to higher higher velocity and Theres, a theres a direct line to.

That question and go back to the very first question that we got about what the banks are going through and the concept of belt tightening and so we're in the exact same zone and Tom mentioned in the previous question two different things one was the concept of the off the run market in the wholesale space moving into a more electronic space, we can completely core.

Kyle Voigt: We've had, you know, QE in that period, QT, we've had, you know, bank failures and big yield curve shifts, but through all of those environments, trade web is continuing to deliver significant revenue growth, significant volume growth and significant income growth. So I think that's a testament to, as Billy said, you know, we've got 50 products around the world across asset classes and in the various client channels. So I think that diversification benefits.

Relate that reality to the question and then the other thing I would describe is this focus that we have as a company in credit on bank inventories in the electronic vacation of bank inventories as this process of balance sheet winds up getting worked out these are massive themes and for the very question for the very real.

Reason why you asked that question I would say intense levels of focus for us as a company.

Kyle Voigt: We're continuing to see over and over through the macro cycles. And I think remains a key differentiating strength for us going forward. And we're going to keep working at it. Like the focus is going to be, you know, the focus. And it's really going to be on this concept, back to that first very first question about the business. Like the concept of 60% of the of the client dealer electronic 50% of the client dealer business and treasures still being done like it's 1994 is the thing that keeps us kind of as energized as a company as we are.

Yeah.

Great. Thanks, so much.

And our last question of the morning comes from Brian Bedell with DB, Brian Your line is open.

Great. Thanks, Thanks, very much for squeezing me in and a lot of a lot of great color on the call. So I appreciate all the answers that you guys are giving.

My one will be just another another angle on regulatory just.

Your view on an basis trading between cash treasuries and futures and.

Kyle Voigt: And so our focus going forward is going to be continued to electrify these markets that we live and breathe and through that collaboration that we describe with our most important clients. That's, that's all the kind of upside that we feel so strongly about in terms of what we do. And thank you.

Potential regulatory scrutiny on this as well.

I guess your viewpoint on the merits of the strategy and any sense of.

Within your cash Treasury volumes.

How significant a portion that is.

Sure Hi, Brian So yes, there's been a couple of articles written about this that perhaps the regulators are focused on the growing size of the cash futures basis trade has been growing.

Alexander Blostein: Thank you. Our next question comes from Alexander Blostin with Goldman Sachs. Alexander, your line is open. Hey guys, good morning. So maybe just building on the last question around global slots and looking volumes are obviously continue to surprise to the upside over the course of the quarter. And based on the step data, October looks pretty awesome as well. So obviously volatility is a part of that. But there's been quite a bit of noise given the live or transition et cetera. And compression volumes that you've highlighted in the past.

They have been and talking about obviously, we had that big unwind during the initial COVID-19 shock in 2020 that caused some a little bit of disruption to the markets but.

Thomas Pluta: So I know it's difficult, but could you help sort of dissect the recent volume trends and sort of frame what is sort of transitory versus more, you know, things that you've been talking about with expansion of protocols and expansion of clients and the environment. So that kind of framework would be helpful. And then when it comes to fee per million and I know separate questions that are related, any way to help us frame to what extent extension and duration that we are seeing in the market today could help that swap fee per million as we look out.

Overall, I think that it's a very healthy trade that exists because what's happening is there are segments of the market and particularly against these off the runs that are not highly sponsored.

They cheapen up significantly, which when they cheapened up to a point, where there is value in the trade.

These hedge funds will come in and they will buy the treasuries and sell futures against that so what it really does is it correct inefficiencies in the market and it lowers the cost of borrowing to the U S. Treasury because it is keeping its keeping treasuries more in line with other derivatives in the market. So I think it's actually bringing efficiency.

It's a relative value trade it brings efficiencies to the market.

And yes, if there was another big shock could you have unwind and things like that yes, but overall I think it's very good for the market and it's very good for the U S government.

Thomas Pluta: Thanks. Sure, great question. And great to hear from you Alex. So in the normal course of business, compression, activity, Epson flows and moves around a lot. As far as the live or transition, which was completed on June 30th, that's all done. We kind of thought that might have been a peak from all of that activity, but you're right. It's continued to continue to see increases. You know, generally what happens with compressions is clients put risk on through the risk trades and then old risk on the books they manage off the books through compression.

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And this concludes the question and answer session I would now like to turn it back to Billy Hult CEO of trade web for closing remarks.

Thank you all very much for joining us. This morning, if you have any follow up questions. Please obviously feel free to reach out to Ashley Sameer and our excellent team everyone have a great day and thanks very much for the questions.

Thomas Pluta: What we've seen is we've onboarded, we've onboarded some large macro hedge funds that have been doing a very significant amount of compression trading with us recently and that's led to the uptick. For example, in the third quarter, we saw 100% year over year growth in greater than one year compression activity, ADV versus say 20% in greater than one year risk trading ADV and swap. So definitely very elevated. So I guess what I would describe is more compression trading is obviously good.

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Thomas Pluta: Yes, we get paid less for it, but it leads to the significant increase in volumes. The offset to that obviously is an impact on on FPM, a negative impact on FPM, but generally the more businesses is good.

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Sara Furber: I guess pass it to Sarah. I think, Thomas, well put, I think in terms of fee per million, which obviously is a complicated metric, it's really an output. We are obviously focused on revenue growth. It fluctuates on a quarterly basis. So I'll try to give you a little bit more color. So one year plus swap, so greater than one year swap to be per million, even through the third quarter was relatively volatile.

Sara Furber: So we had lows in August, and then we saw rebound in September, and it followed a decrease in compression activity in September, but obviously it is remaining elevated and an October compression activity is higher, which has a negative impact on fee per million. That said, duration is also an incredibly important factor on fee per million, and duration would be things like increasing the duration of trading and risk trading, and we are seeing positive signs of that in October.

Sara Furber: Particularly, there's been more volatility on the longer edge of the curve. So fee per million impacted by both of those things. And obviously, as Tom said, overall, we want to see our clients trading on our platform, and we're focused on overall revenues, which remains strong. And as you know, Alex, we kind of live and breathe with these, what we describe as micro trading protocols. So that's really code word for understanding how your clients engage with the marketplace.

Sara Furber: So, you know, a little while ago in Europe, specifically with European swaths, and Tom mentioned the macro hedge fund community, we launched a protocol that we call request for market, which was the ability for applying to trade on one or the other side of a marketplace. And that is really the habit and the style of how those clients trade, we wound up picking up market share from launching that protocol, but as importantly, unwarded those clients, which led to some of the sort of compression activity. That Tom was describing and then things feed on themselves from there.

William Hult: So this constant sort of ability to create protocols that mimic real trading workflow is really an intense focus that we have as a, of the company. Thank you.

Alexander Kramm: Okay, thank you. Our next call comes from Alex Kramm with UBS. Alex, go ahead. All good. Thanks very much. Good morning.

Sara Furber: I don't think anybody has asked about the new data agreement unless I've missed it, but why don't we go there for a second? And I'm particularly interested in your comment here. I'm very around. I'm paraphrasing here, but more freedom to pursue your proprietary opportunities. So can you maybe just remind us what you have in place today that's not through else that definitive and kind of what initiative you think you're now more able to do and obviously the greatest thing would be if you have any idea about the 10 for those things that you can no pursue maybe easier than you had in the past. Thanks.

Sara Furber: We were thinking we might get asked that question, so we have like three pages of preparation for no one more prepared than Sarah. So you take this as a great question. Yeah. Thank you. Look, we're really pleased about the new data deal. I think from our seat, it's largely covering the same data sets in the prior contract, but it definitely does allow us to have more flexibility and do things alongside on a non exclusive basis.

Sara Furber: It does position both companies, I think for a win-win and so importantly, our ability to grow not only that line with new use cases, but grow our third party data line is really a lot of flexibility. So the FTSE announcement that came out yesterday is a perfect example where we are going to monetize that through selling closing prices, some of which we're finitive will do and some of which we can also do on our own.

Sara Furber: So I think that is a key important point and I think the flexibility allows us to make sure that the data is getting in the hands of as many people as possible, which really is an important benefit for the market. I just add one other point, which is, we're pleased with this, but obviously, you know, our primary focus away from refinitive and growing the third party data line, which is growing, you know, well and access of double digits, is to deliver better client execution outcomes. And that, you know, it's multiples of value in our mind of how we monetize it. I don't know if you want to add anything.

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Chris Allen: Standby for our next question. And we have Chris Allen with city. Chris, your line is open. Yeah, morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe just want on credit. You notice. No, no, the second highest block block market share across both. I agree with how you yield any kind of where that is currently what's the kind of keys to gaining more share there. And also the ETF market maker. So I just kind of curious how material material there are to your current business and any opportunities to penetrate deeper.

Thomas Pluta: Chris, good morning. Yeah, as far as the credit block trading efforts, it's still relatively early in terms of our kind of trading the block market, but we did achieve our second highest block share across IG and high yield in the third quarter. Our efforts right now are really led by portfolio trading as it's a protocol that's really well suited for going after the block market. And we're also continuing to focus on, and ways to deliver dealer inventories and access most efficiently to clients is that's where the big size can also get done.

Thomas Pluta: So we're quite focused on that and we do expect to continue to grow going forward. And overall I think our penetration across all three clients, channels really does put us in a strong position to build solutions that will continue to grow those volumes.

Thomas Pluta: On the ETF market maker side, clearly ETF the trend and the growth with ETFs is very strong and very healthy and will continue for years to come, particularly in sixth income. So we've seen our ETF volumes grow. We've seen the interaction with ETF market makers in cash credit continue to grow and we think that will be growing share of our market. I believe it's around 10% for us today, but we do see that sector of the market continuing to grow going forward. And thanks for the question. Thanks. Thank you.

Kenneth Worthington: And our next question comes from Kenneth Worthington with JP Morgan. Kenneth, your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning. Thanks for squeezing me in. I wanted to ask about the Treasury Club business. You mentioned fierce competition in the prepared remarks. I guess where is Tradeweb's market share currently and as the new liquidity providers come on. Where would you expect that to go? And then on the fierce competition, are they leading with price or their other factors driving share? And I guess lastly, I think NFI was more dominant in off the run. How do you see sort of the Treasury Club Club competing in the on the run versus the off the run markets?

Thomas Pluta: Hey, Ken. Good morning. So we did get through the data center migration earlier this year. As you know, this client feedback on that has been positive. And the team has been continually focused on on boarding more clients and trying to grow with our existing ones. Our process does take time. There's a lot of coding and calibrating involved, you know, balancing against other technology priorities and all of these firms. But we did see our share bottom in April and begin to rise since then.

Thomas Pluta: We think we do have a lot of potential to narrow the gap with with the larger competitors. In addition, the other huge part of our U.S. Treasury Act as business, as we call it, are on the run business, is our wholesale streaming protocol, which continues to grow significantly. So the combination of these two protocols allows us to provide great liquidity alternatives to our wholesale clients. And increasingly, we're trying to integrate those two offerings to get clients.

Thomas Pluta: Different opportunities to access the active market. So as far as factors driving share, I think it's kind of, I think it's that. I think it's providing a complete solution across the active business as supposed to just looking at the club or looking at streams or looking at something else. And that's what that's what focused on as far as the question on on the run versus off the run are offering is an on the run platform for the time being.

Kenneth Worthington: But thanks for the question, Kenneth. Thank you.

Michael Cyprys: Our next question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Michael, your line is open. Great. Thanks for squeezing me in here. Just a question on the new bank capital requirements, the Basil 3N game proposal. Just curious how you see the proposal potentially impacting the marketplaces where you operate just in terms of volumes, liquidity, competitive landscape. And how might the proposal impact the opportunity set for Tradeweb with potential for more activity to move towards the electronic markets and any sort of thoughts on which areas might be slated to benefit most for you.

William Hult: Michael, great to hear from you. So the Basil 3N game is sort of in the process of finalizing and implementing these rules. Essentially, what I think about, how we think about it is, it's the prospect of yet more additional capital charges on banks, which continues the trend that we've seen since the GFC and the Dodd-Frank rules came out. So what that means is, unfortunately, I think it's harder for banks to continue to grow their balance sheets that are committed to these markets and certainly can't grow in line with the continued growth and fixed income markets because of growing deficits and debt loads.

William Hult: So I think what this allows for as far as market structure is the continued emergence of these non-traditional market makers, we should probably stop calling them that because they're huge factors in the market already. But these other types of market makers will continue to grow to fill in the gaps, the PTFs, the algorithmic and systematic market makers continue to come in and grow. You know, these types of dealers, they're heavily quant oriented, they're data oriented, they lead with technology, and they trade most of the business electronically.

William Hult: So this should continue to grow this development and these trends should continue to grow the electronic share of the market and lead to higher velocity. And there's a direct line to that question and go back to the very first question that we got about what the banks are going through and the concept of bell tightening. And so we're in the exact same zone and Tom mentioned in the previous question two different things.

William Hult: One was the concept of the off the run market and the wholesale space moving into a more electronic space, we can completely correlate that reality to the question. And then the other thing I would describe is this focus that we have as a company in credit on bank inventories and the electronification of bank inventories as this process of balance sheet winds up getting worked out. These are massive themes. And for the very question, for the very reason why you asked that question, I would say intense levels of focus for us as a company. Great. Thanks so much.

Brian Bedell: And our last question of the morning comes from Brian Bidel with DB Brian your line is open.

Unknown Attendee: Great. Thanks very much for squeezing me in and a lot of great color. The calls are appreciate all the answers you guys are giving.

Brian Bedell: My one will be just on another angle on regulatory. Just your view on basis trading between cash treasuries and futures and potential regulatory scrutiny on this as well. Just I guess your viewpoint on the merits of the strategy and any sense of within your cash treasury volumes, how significant a portion that is.

Thomas Pluta: Sure, hi, Brian. So yeah, there's been a couple of articles written about this that perhaps the regulators are focused on the growing size of the cash futures that a basis trade has been growing. They've been and talking about, obviously, we had that big unwind during the initial COVID shock in 2020 that caused, you know, some a little bit of disruption to the markets. But, you know, overall, I think that it's a very healthy trade that exists.

Thomas Pluta: Because what's happening is there are segments of the market and in particular, again, these off the runs that are not highly sponsored. They cheap it up significantly which when they cheap it up to a point where there's value in the trade, these hedge funds will come in and they will buy the treasuries and sell futures against it. So what it really does is it corrects inefficiencies in the market and it lowers the cost of borrowing to the U.S. Treasury because it's keeping treasuries more in line with other derivatives in the market.

Thomas Pluta: So I think it's actually bringing efficiencies. It's a relative value trade. It brings efficiency to the market. And yeah, if there was another big shock, you have unwinds and things like that. Yes, but overall, I think it's very good for the market and it's very good for the U.S, government. That's great color.

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William Hult: I would now like to turn it back to Billy Holt CEO of Trade Web for closing remarks. Thank you all very much for joining us this morning. If you have any follow-up questions, please obviously feel free to reach out to Ashley, Samir and our excellent team.

William Hult: Everyone have a great day and thanks very much for the questions.

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