Q3 2023 Hercules Capital Inc Earnings Call
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Thank you Justin good afternoon, everyone and welcome to Hercules Conference call for the third quarter 2023.
With us on the call today from Hercules are Scott Bluestein, CEO, and Chief investment Officer, and Seth Meyer CFO.
These financial results were released just after today's market close and can be accessed from Hercules Investor Relations section at Investor Dot <unk> Dot com.
Archived webcast replay will be available on the Investor Relations webpage for at least 30 days following the call.
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During this call we may make forward looking statements based on our own assumptions and current expectations. These forward looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and should not be relied upon in making any investment decision actual financial results may differ from the forward looking statements made during this call for a number of reasons, including but not limited to the risks identify.
And our annual report on Form 10-K, and other filings that are publicly available on the Sec's website any forward looking statements made during this call are made only as of today's date.
These assumes no obligation to update any such statements in the future and with that I'll turn the call over to Scott.
Thank you Michael and thank you all for joining the Hercules capital Q3, 2023 earnings call.
Our best in class venture and growth stage lending platform continued to deliver record earnings and operating performance in Q3, as well as delivering record year to date gross fundings of 1.29 billion, which represents an increase of over 17% year over year.
We were able to achieve record Q3 results. Despite continued volatility in both the equity and credit markets as well as across the broader global macro landscape.
While we are pleased with our continued record operating performance in Q3 and remain optimistic about our positioning in the asset class and our ability to capture further market share over the coming quarters, we continue to take steps to manage our business defensively, while maintaining the ability to play offense as the market improves.
This includes enhancing our liquidity position, maintaining very low leverage tightening our credit screens for new underwritings and driving our first lien exposure up to over 87% our highest level since Q1 2017.
During Q3, we experienced many of the same themes that we have been discussing over the last several quarters.
With one notable exception capital raising across our portfolio remained strong.
Feeding the level of activity that we saw in Q2.
Rising rates combined with higher Onboarding yields and an increased weighted average portfolio balance drove total investment income core investment income and net investment income to record levels.
M&A activity and interest continues to be strong across our portfolio and we expect several additional M&A exits over the coming quarters.
Our differentiated business model, which is predicated on asset and liability diversification.
Fundamental credit underwriting and long standing relationships with over 1000 venture capital and private equity investors has continued to serve us well and allows us to outperform in a variety of macro environments for.
For the remainder of 2023, our focus will remain on prudent underwriting diversification and maintaining an abundance of liquidity.
Let me recap some of the key highlights of our performance for Q3.
In Q3, we generated record total investment income of $116 7 million up over 38% year over year and record net investment income of $76 8 million.
Up over 53% year over year, or 52 cents per share and providing 130% coverage of our base distribution of <unk> 40 per share.
This is our fourth consecutive quarter of delivering record net investment income.
We also generated a return on equity in Q3 of over 20% for the second consecutive quarter.
Our portfolio generated a GAAP effective yield of 15, 5% in Q3, and a core yield of 14, 2%, which is indicative of the recent rate increases and higher onboarding yields for certain new loans.
With GAAP leverage at a very conservative 99, 8% and continued robust liquidity across our platform our balance sheet remains very well positioned.
Although we have managed to deliver record year to date gross new fundings, we continue to expect the market environment for new deals and our asset class to improve over the coming quarters.
Having a strong and diversified balance sheet with maximum liquidity will be a key differentiator for our platform.
And best positioning Hercules to capitalize on the market opportunity that we continue leave isn't plus.
The focus of our origination efforts in Q3 was once again on diversification with an emphasis on later stage and more scaled opportunities.
Our Q3 originations activity was driven by both our technology and life Sciences teams delivering healthy funding performance during the quarter.
Although our new business activity was intentionally weighted more towards the life Sciences side.
In Q3, approximately 56% of our fundings were to life Sciences companies, while approximately 68% of our commitments during the quarter were to life Sciences companies.
Our unique ability to excel in both technology and life Sciences lending at the same time with dedicated teams in each vertical helps drive consistent outperformance relative to our peer group.
We funded debt capital to 28 different companies in Q3.
Which 10 were new borrower relationships.
Consistent with what we have seen throughout the year, we expanded our funding relationship with numerous portfolio companies that continued to show strength and achieved performance milestones during the third quarter.
In addition, the strong level of fundings to existing companies also helped to maintain our available unfunded commitments at $400 million, which was up slightly from 381 million in Q2.
Approximately 31% of our available unfunded commitments will expire by the end of the year driving higher expected follow on fundings through the end of 2023.
As we guided to on our Q2 earnings call our quarterly funding activity in Q3 was back end weighted with over 50% of our quarterly fundings coming in the month of September.
This theme is likely to repeat in Q4.
After in a typically strong Q3 for originations, we expect our origination activity in Q4 to moderate slightly although we remain on track to deliver record annual gross fundings in 2023.
Since the close of Q3 and as of October 31, 2023, our deal team has closed $34 million of new commitments and funded $42 7 million.
We have pending commitments of an additional $290 million.
And signed non binding term sheets.
The bar for us on new originations remains very high and we continue to pass on the vast majority of deals that we are currently seeing in the market.
We are increasingly hearing from prospective portfolio companies about the importance of partnering with a lender that has a strong balance sheet and staying power and this gives us great confidence in our ability to continue to generate and deliver quality asset growth over the coming quarters.
Although portfolio company exits and liquidity events for the industry continue to be slow we are pleased with the activity our portfolio has experienced so far this year.
Year to date as of today, we have had one portfolio company complete their IPO and two additional portfolio companies, which filed for Ipos, along with 13 portfolio companies completing M&A transactions.
Our portfolio company and Gene Holdings, just completed their spec merger IPO on November one.
We expect additional M&A transactions for our portfolio companies to close over the coming quarters.
Our portfolio activity continues to validate the great work and underwriting, but our investment teams do.
As we anticipated early loan repayments decreased in Q3 to approximately $148 million, which came in slightly below our guidance of 175 million to $250 million.
For Q4, 2023, we expect prepayments to increase from Q3 levels and be in the range of $150 million to 250 million. Although this could change as we progressed in the quarter.
Credit quality of the debt investment portfolio remained relatively stable.
Our weighted average internal credit rating of two to eight increased slightly from the two point to four rating in Q2.
And remains within our normal historical range.
Our grade one and grade two credits improved to 62, 1% compared to 59, 4% in Q2.
Great three credits were lower at 34, 5% in Q3 versus 38, 3% in Q2.
Our rated four credits increased slightly to two 6% and rated five credits increased to 0.8% in Q3 as a result of one loan being downgraded to a five during the quarter.
Subsequent to quarter end, one of our rated four loans paid off their outstanding obligations to Hercules in fall.
In Q3, we added one debt investment on non accrual.
We have two debt investments on nonaccrual with an investment cost and fair value of approximately $88 1 million and $24 6 million respectively.
Or two 7% and 0.8% as a percentage of the company's total investment portfolio at cost and value respectively.
As of our most recent reporting 100% of our debt portfolio companies remained current on contractual payments to Hercules.
The one new loan added to nonaccrual during Q3 was our secured debt investment in convoy.
Our workout efforts remain ongoing and we continue to work with convoy to maximize our ultimate recovery.
We believe that convoy was a unique situation that resulted from a perfect storm events that negatively impacted convoy and its ability to continue operating and raise more equity capital.
At the same time ongoing and accelerating turmoil and pressure across the broader freight market landscape negated the ability for carnival way to find a strategic buyer excuse me buyer for the business as a going concern.
Based on our efforts to date, we currently believe that our net recovery will meet or exceed our Q3 fair value Mark and that our recovery efforts will likely wrap up early next year, although the situation remains ongoing and fluid.
With respect to our broader credit book and the outlook. We generally remain pleased by what we're seeing on a portfolio level.
Our focus on credit underwriting and a diversified asset base is continuing to serve us well.
We are seeing general outperformance and positive momentum in terms of capital raising M&A.
M&A activity and milestone achievement throughout our life Sciences book, while things remain more muted on the technology side with respect to the same.
Public market valuations for growth stage Tech and life Sciences companies pulled back considerably in Q3.
Putting additional pressure on fund raising for certain private companies.
Despite this and continued increased selectivity and valuation sensitivity from venture capital investors capital raising across our portfolio remained strong in Q3 with 23 companies raising over $2 billion in new capital in Q3.
This was the strongest quarter of new capital raising in our portfolio over the last year and a half.
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During Q3, 2023 Hercules had net realized losses of $2 6 million comprised of net realized gains of 0.9 million due to the gain on investment funds and debt investments offset by $3 5 million due to the loss on equity and warrant investments.
Through Q3, we have generated $5 6 million of realized gains year to date.
Our net asset value per share in Q3 was $10 93, a slight decrease of 0.3% from Q2 2023.
We ended Q3 with strong liquidity of almost 600 million.
Inclusive of available liquidity in our private funds, we have more than $900 million of liquidity as of the end of Q3.
Our balance sheet is strong and stable and it puts us in an advantageous position to be able to benefit from a business environment that we anticipate will get better over the next several quarters.
Venture capital ecosystem fund, raising and investment activity continued to stay at muted levels relative to the historical highs that we witnessed in 2021 and 2022 with fund raising activity at approximately 43 billion and investment activity at approximately one one.
Third 26 billion for the first three quarters of 2023, respectively. According to data gathered by pitch book NVCA.
In terms of VC investment activity Q3 was equal to Q2 with $40 billion of new investments year to date Q3, 2023 investment levels have already exceeded 2019, and 103 billion and the number of investment deals is more than double the <unk>.
Number in 2019 9962 deals versus 4431 deals.
We expect fundraising to stay at much lower both in prior years and the investment activity to remain stable as we approach the end of the year.
With our record operating performance year to date, we exited Q3 with increased undistributed earnings spillover of over $155 million or $1 <unk> per ending shares outstanding.
For Q3 maintained our base distribution of 40 cents and declared a supplemental distribution of <unk> for a total of 48 cents of shareholder distributions.
In closing.
Our scale institutionalized lending platform and our ability to capitalize on a rapidly changing competitive and macro environment continues to drive our business forward and our operating performance to record levels in.
In Q3 Hercules delivered its second consecutive quarter of over $100 million of quarterly core income, which excludes the benefit of prepayment fees or fee acceleration from early repayments.
Our success is attributable to the tremendous dedication efforts and capabilities of our 100 plus employees.
And the trust that our venture capital and private equity partners placed with US every day.
We are thankful to the many companies management teams and investors that continue to make Hercules their partner of choice.
I also want to acknowledge the handful of portfolio companies that we have and certain of our VC partners and investors that are being impacted by the terrorist attack that took place on October 7th.
And the events that have followed.
I will now turn the call over to Seth.
Thank you Scott and good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, Q.
Q3 marked another quarter of records for Hercules capital total.
Investment income was a record of $117 million.
We had record net investment income of $77 million and core income of 46 cents per share.
To support the $195 million of portfolio growth, we proactively strengthened our balance sheet and liquidity position with the equity offering in August.
We also received a green light letter from the SBA for an additional Spic's license, which upon final licensing will provide us with additional attractive financing.
With these points in mind, let's review the following areas the income statement performance and highlights.
The unrealized and realized activity leveraging.
Leverage and liquidity and finally, the financial outlook.
Turning first to the income statement performance and highlights.
Total investment income exceeded 100 million again at $116 7 million driven by the year to date growth in the debt portfolio on consistent business or an underwriting and a small increase in benchmark rates.
Core investment income a non-GAAP measure again exceeded 100 million at $107 4 million.
Core investment income exclude the benefits of income recognized as a result of loan prepayments.
Net investment income was another record of $76 8 million, a one 4% quarter over quarter increase $4 52 per share in Q3.
NII margin was $65 eight for Q3 and has increased every quarter since Q1 2022.
Our effective and core yields in the third quarter were 15, 5% and 14, 2%, respectively compared to 16% and 14, 1% in the prior quarter.
The decrease in the effective yield was due to lower prepayments consistent with our guidance versus the prior quarter the.
The increase in the corn yield was due to an increase in coupon interest as a result of benchmark interest rates.
We continue to forecast a leveling of core yield hereafter due to minimal movement from the fed in the coming quarters.
Turning to expenses, our gross operating expenses for the quarter decreased slightly to $42 4 million compared to $42 9 million in the prior quarter.
Net of cost recharge to the IRI, a our net operating expenses were fairly level at $40 million.
Interest expense and fees decreased modestly to $19 million from $19 6 million in the prior quarter due to lower utilization of our credit facilities as a result of the equity offering in early August.
SG&A expenses remained stable at $23 4 million in line with my guidance of $23 million to $24 million.
Net of cost returned to the RIAA the SG&A expenses were at $21 million.
Our weighted average cost of debt remains stable at four 8% based on the lower utilization of the credit facilities due to the equity raise.
Our O E or NII over average equity increased modestly to 22% for the third quarter and our R O AA or NII over average total assets was nine 7%.
Switching to NAV.
Unrealized and realized activity.
During the quarter, our NAV decreased slightly by point.
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To $10 93 per share.
This represented an NAV per share decrease of 3% quarter over quarter.
The main drivers for the decrease were the net change in the unrealized depreciation.
$46 2 million, including the reversal of prior unrealized appreciation of $4 5 million, mainly due to investment disposals or write offs, partially offset by accretion due to the equity sale in August.
Our $46 2 million of unrealized depreciation was primarily driven by 34 million of net unrealized depreciation.
On the loan portfolio and $9 9 million of depreciation to the public equity and warrant portfolio.
Moving on to leverage and liquidity.
Our GAAP and regulatory leverage decreased to 99, 8% and 89, 2%, respectively compared to the prior quarter due to the equity raise in August netting out leverage with cash on the balance sheet, our net GAAP and regulatory leverage was 90%.
Seven, 9% and 87, 3% respectively.
We ended the quarter with approximately $600 million of available liquidity.
As a reminder, this excludes the capital raised by the funds managed by our wholly owned.
Subsidiary.
Inclusive of these amounts the Hercules platform had more than $900 million in available liquidity to <unk>.
<unk> liquidity positions us very well to support our existing portfolio companies and source new opportunities.
We continue to have no material near term maturities, giving us the ability to be opportunistic should we decided to raise additional capital to support the business.
Finally on the outlook points, we expect our core yield range to tightened at eight at 13, 8% to 14%.
As a reminder, approximately 95% of our debt portfolio folio is floating with a floor. So any additional rate hikes will benefit our core yield going forward.
Although very difficult to predict as communicated by Scott, we expect our $150 million to $250 million in prepayment activity in the fourth quarter, we expect our fourth quarter interest expense to increase compared to the prior quarter based on portfolio growth expectations.
For the fourth quarter, we expect SG&A expenses of 21% to $22 million and RIAA expense allocation of approximately $2 million.
As previously guided we expect the advisor business to begin paying dividends in the fourth quarter to Hercules capital.
Initially the dividend should be approximately $1 million per quarter with variation, depending on the portfolio growth and performance.
In closing our balance sheet remains strong to support our existing portfolio as well as opportunistically invest in the best opportunities I will now turn the call over to the operator to begin the Q&A part of our call Justin over to you and thank you as a reminder to ask a question. Please press star one.
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Yeah.
And our first question comes from Crispin Love from Piper Sandler Your line is now open.
Thanks, Good afternoon, everyone.
Scott you you made some comments on being weighted more towards life sciences in the quarter.
Just curious if you could dig a little deeper there was that due to credit expectation demand from borrowers or just anything else worth calling out and what you expected.
To be more weighted towards life sciences over the near term.
Sure. Thanks, Kristen so it wasn't intentional move anywhere one of the few private credit direct lenders in the market that have the ability to toggle back and forth between technology lending and life Sciences lending and as we've said consistently over the course of the years, depending on what our macro assessment is we will go back and forth.
For us in terms of waiting between those two sectors on a quarterly basis.
Over the course of Q3, and we would expect this to sort of remain this way in Q4 as well given the macro volatility that we're seeing given some of the turmoil that we're seeing on kind of a global perspective.
Our view was that the life sciences sector represented a better credit opportunity for us in terms of short term underwritings and that was our focus in Q3, we expect that to continue to be our focus in Q4.
I want to emphasize however that we will continue to very actively pursue both technology and life Sciences transactions I mentioned the numbers in my prepared remarks, but it was not 100% of life science and zero percent technology. It was essentially a 60 40 allocation in the quarter and we think will be pretty consistent for the remainder of the year in terms of those numbers.
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Okay, Great. That's helpful. And then just on leverage at leveraging our debt remains very well contained.
But looking a little little further out can you talk about where you would be willing to increase leverage to an opportunity to pick up just from the changing competitive landscape out there and I'm thinking over the next several quarters or a year if the environment improves.
Sure. Thanks, Kristen itself so.
So our guidance has always been a 125 GAAP leverage ceiling and we're going to stay a fair distance away from that just for mark to market volatility at the end of quarters and things of that nature.
While we are.
Working through a leading up to a recessionary environment, we're going to be pretty careful and stay around the 100 to one level, we have taken it up in 2022 and at certain quarters.
To about the $1 15 level.
Historically twice, so I would see that as our ceiling, but I would see us operating in the one to one to 110 range and in the foreseeable future as a result of the recessionary environment and wanting to maintain sufficient liquidity.
And Chris I would just add to that from a from a positioning perspective.
Right now we think two critical items from a platform perspective or.
High liquidity and low leverage and the reason for that is really not credit related its new business related.
On the conversations that our investment teams are having with venture capital firms private equity firms and prospective companies.
We are actually very optimistic about what the new business environment will look like particularly in the first half of next year, and we think being able to.
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Alright, I appreciate you taking my questions.
Thanks Kristen.
And thank you.
And one moment for our next question.
Okay.
And our next question comes from Christopher Nolan from Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is now open.
Hey, guys.
So based on your effective yield.
Core yield guidance should.
Should we assume that the flow through.
The rate increases is just about done.
Yeah.
Would agree with that Chris I think that what we see.
Is probably the ceiling absent any additional rate increases from the fed as we've said we're going with later stage companies that comes with tighter spreads and we've benefited certainly from the increase of spreads as the fed has raised and a lot of these loans remember were originated at times when rates were much.
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Continue to see a strong prepayment volume on the higher rates and so we're just trying to manage the expectations that the new origination.
Actually will come in and were just below the level that we're at as far as spreads because they are later stage companies.
And that as the larger spreads pay off we expect that this is likely our ceiling and the rates that we see and again absent any changes from the fed if they decide that they need to continue to increase rates.
To stem inflation, then all bets are off as to what our ceiling.
And then I guess strategically given the increase in first lien and be more selective focusing on later stage should we assume that.
We're not going to see any sort of.
Yield expansion from just attractive market opportunities are more likely to see.
Yield compression in coming quarters.
Sure. Thanks, Chris I don't think were going to see yield compression and we're really not forecasting any significant yield compression of note.
We think despite the fact that we're moving upstream. Despite the fact that we're positioning into more of a first lien book exposure will be able to maintain the core yields in that sort of high <unk> low fourteens range. So.
We're not expecting any any contraction and we feel pretty comfortable despite the move upstream that we'll be able to maintain core yields roughly where they are today great. Thanks guys.
Thanks, Chris.
Thank you.
Okay.
And one moment our next question.
And our next question comes from Ryan Lynch from K B W.
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Yeah.
Hey, good afternoon.
My first question was could you just provide a little context on what drove the approximately $30 million.
Unrealized depreciation on your debt portfolio this quarter.
Yes, sure absolutely Ryan so it was a.
A number of things offsetting each other.
The most significant is the loss on convoy, which is about $50 million.
Right down on the BDC.
In.
Contracting that though was the appreciation on the remainder of the portfolio, where the benchmark rates that we use to really model out what our market value should be for the existing portfolio.
A compression in the in the yields, whereas we did not see that in our originations and we felt that our portfolio was still coming along pretty strong with the exception of convoy. So we had a slight uptick in the value of our portfolio of $20 million and those two things.
Where the offsetting amounts that were most material.
Okay.
That makes sense and then my other question is kind of a two part question.
I think you mentioned you had 23 companies raised new capital in the third quarter, which was the strongest quarter you've had in the last one and a half years and so kind of a two part question on that is number one.
You've talked about having a very strong portfolio for a long period of time why why do you think was there any sort of driver behind why this quarter was so strong from a capital raising standpoint in your portfolio companies and then the second part of that was.
Maybe this correlation doesn't make sense, but natural to me. If there is a lot of your portfolio companies that are raising new capital. This quarter you would have seen an increase in prepayment activity now prepayment activity actually got cut in half this quarter from about $300 million about $150 million. So it was interesting that that correlation.
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Normally correlated or not.
Sure. Thanks, Ryan I'll take the second part first so there actually is not typically a correlation between those two items for us the vast majority of our prepayments historically come from either M&A exits or traditional refinancings when the companies are able to secure.
Cheaper more bank like facilities.
Rarely will one of our portfolio companies go out and raise an equity round and then use the proceeds to retire the debt and so theyre historically has not been correlation so I really wouldn't look into that too much.
The first point.
Couple of comments number one Q3 was our strongest quarter in terms of portfolio Company fund raising in the last 18 months as I mentioned in the remarks.
It was up slightly from Q2 and Q2, we had 21 companies raised $1 9 billion in Q3, we had 23 companies raised $2 billion.
The biggest driver this quarter was actually continued outperformance on the life Sciences side, we had several fairly large public biotech companies achieved very meaningful milestones during the quarter and they use those milestones to go out and raise additional financing it.
It wasn't just public biotech that drove that number if you kind of think about it in terms of public versus private mix of the 23 companies that raised capital in the quarter 12 were private 11, where public so a nice mix between public and private but definitely some of the bigger ones that helped drive that $2 billion or on the public <unk>.
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Okay, that's really helpful detail and background on that.
That's all for me today I appreciate the time.
Thanks, Brian and thank you.
And one moment for our next question.
And our next question comes from Finian O'shea with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.
Hi, everyone. Good afternoon, Scott first high level question I think.
At times.
Not very often but opportunistically.
Elyse would invest in equity.
Past seeing how you feel that opportunities today, and what your appetite for it might be.
Sure. Thanks Ben.
Right now we're focused on credit we're focused on underwriting and allocating our capital to new investment opportunities that we think generate the best risk adjusted returns for our investors and the vast majority of those opportunities. We believe right now will come on the secured credit side.
We have and we will continue to opportunistically invest in equity.
Over the course of Q3, we did make a couple of equity investments in some of our portfolio companies by exercising the RTI, which gives us the right to invest in subsequent rounds of financing. We still think valuations have some room to go down further and so we're certainly not allocating a significant amount of capital to equity at the current.
Time, and we're going to remain focused on credit underwriting over the near term here.
Awesome. Thank you and just a follow up are you able to remind us on the.
Alright.
Hey.
Maybe what you.
Targeted or hope or expect for.
2020 for fundraising.
Sure we continue to be very excited about the private platform that we have underneath.
We do not disclose.
Separate numbers for the private funds, but we do disclose an aggregate number which is a little bit over $4 billion in our press release and Thats, obviously inclusive of the public and private fund business.
You can back into the private fund business AUM by just subtracting what the AUM is in the public BDC.
From a growth perspective, right now we still have significant liquidity in the private funds to put to work. We're very excited about the investment opportunities that we think will be in front of us over the next several quarters in <unk>.
<unk> raising for next year is is TBD in terms of when we will go back to market, but we continue to believe that that private fund business will be a key driver of returns for our public company investors.
Thanks, so much.
Ken.
And thank you.
And I am showing no further questions I would now like to turn the call back over to Scott <unk> for closing remarks.
Yes.
Thank you Justin and thanks to everyone for joining our call today and part of that Scott I apologize we have one more question.
Yeah.
Okay, one moment please.
Okay.
Okay.
Yes.
And our next question comes from Craig Bellinger from City National Bank. Your line is now open.
Hi, Thank you I'm, sorry, I was sort of pressed the buzzer.
Congratulations on the.
Our record results and I appreciate.
Comments on comp convoy.
And particularly some of the reserves that you've taken and I wonder if there's any other color on that in terms of kind.
Kind of the go forward position on that.
On that particular outlier.
I appreciate the question, we're not going to make any further public comment outside of what I said in the prepared remarks. It remains an active workout situation. We are working with the company to maximize our recovery and based on our efforts to date as I mentioned in my remarks, we expect that our net.
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Okay. Thank you.
And thank you and now I would like to turn the call back over to Scott <unk> for closing remarks.
Thank you Justin and thanks to everyone for joining our call today as a final note we will be participating in the Jefferies eighth annual BDC Summit on November 15th in New York City, the JMP virtual BDC direct lending day on November 30th.
And the <unk> virtual annual BDC fixed income investor event on December one.
If you are interested in attending any of these events. Please contact Jefferies JMP or SMB see directly or Michael Hara, we look forward to reporting our progress on our Q4 and year end 2023 earnings call. Thanks, everyone and have a great day. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation.
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