Q3 2023 MDU Resources Group Inc Earnings Call
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Hello, My name is Cynthia and I will be your conference facilitator at this time I would like to welcome everyone to the MDU Resources Group 2023 third quarter conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during the.
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I would now like to turn the conference over to Jason Vollmer, Vice President Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer of MDU Resources group. Thank you. Mr. Vollmer you may begin your conference.
Thank you Cynthia and welcome everyone to our third quarter 2023 earnings Conference call you can find our earnings release and supplemental materials for this call on our website at Www Dot M. D O dot com under the Investor Relations tab.
Leading today's discussion along with me will be Dave Goodin, President and CEO of MDU resources.
Also with US today to answer questions. Following our prepared remarks are.
Stephanie Barth, Vice President Chief Accounting Officer, and controller of MDU resources.
He called Crystal President and CEO of our utility group.
Rob Johnson President of WBI energy and.
And Jeff Thiede, President and CEO of MDU construction services group.
During our call we will make certain forward looking statements within the meaning of section 21 E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
Although the company believes that its expectations and beliefs are based on reasonable assumptions actual results may differ materially.
For more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to vary from any forward looking statements. Please refer to our most recent SEC filings.
We may also refer to certain non-GAAP information a reconciliation of any non-GAAP information to the appropriate GAAP measure. Please reference our earnings news release.
Along with our earnings release. This morning, we announced in a separate news release that our board of directors approved a plan to spin off our construction services business to the shareholders of MDU resources, which will result in two independent publicly traded companies.
The spin off is expected to be tax free to MDU resources and its shareholders and be complete in late 2024.
You can also find this release on our website at Www Dot M D O dot com.
Dave will provide additional information on the spin off later during the call.
Prior to handing the call over to Dave for his formal comments and his forward look I will provide consolidated financial results for the third quarter.
This morning, we announced third quarter earnings of $74 9 million or <unk> 37 per share on a GAAP basis compared to third quarter 2020 to GAAP earnings of $147 9 million or <unk> 73 per share.
Third quarter income from continuing operations was $78 2 million or <unk> 38 per share compared to $42 3 million or <unk> 21 per share in 2022.
It's important to note with the spin off a knife river being completed knife river's results in other related impacts are reported as discontinued operations in our GAAP based results for the current and prior year.
As such with the completion of the knife River spin off and we're continuing on the construction services spin off. We're also reporting adjusted income from continuing operations to provide financial results with more closely correlate to and better outline the strength of our ongoing business operations.
These adjustments reflect the may 31st spinoff of approximately 90% of the outstanding shares of Knife River Corporation <unk>.
Including the unrealized gain on the retained shares.
As well as other items related to our strategic initiatives.
For more information on these adjustments. Please see the table provided on page seven of our earnings news release.
We experienced very strong results from all of our businesses in the third quarter with adjusted income from continuing operations of $58 6 million or <unk> 29 per share compared to third quarter 2022, adjusted income from continuing operations of $42 3 million or <unk> 21 per share.
Turning to our individual businesses, our combined utility business reported earnings of $3 2 million for the quarter compared to earnings of $3 5 million in the third quarter of 2022.
The electric utility segment reported third quarter earnings of $20 9 million compared to $21 6 million for the same period in 2022.
The decrease was largely a result of lower residential volumes due to cooler weather and higher operation and maintenance expense, primarily payroll related costs partially.
Partially offsetting the decrease were higher retail sales revenue due to rate relief in North Dakota, and Montana and electric service agreement to provide power to a data center near Allendale North Dakota.
And also higher transmission revenue.
Our natural gas utility reported a seasonal loss of $17 7 million in the third quarter compared to a loss of $18 1 million in the third quarter of 2022.
Earnings increased due to short term debt interest recovery in Idaho.
Rate relief in Idaho, and Washington, which were partially offset by higher operation and maintenance expense, primarily payroll related costs.
Business also experienced a nine 3% decrease in retail sales volumes to all customer classes due to seasonal weather patterns, which was partially offset by our weather normalization and decoupling mechanisms.
The pipeline business earned record third quarter earnings of $11 9 million compared to $9 8 million in the third quarter last year.
The earnings increase was driven by higher transportation revenue, primarily the result of increased contracted volume commitments from the North Bakken expansion project as well as higher storage related revenue and new transportation and storage service settlement rates that were effective August one.
The increase was offset in part by higher operation and maintenance expense, primarily payroll related costs.
Interest expense also increased as a result of higher rates and higher debt balances.
Construction services reported record third quarter earnings of $36 million compared to earnings of 28 million for the same period in 2022.
EBITDA for the quarter increased $14 1 million compared to the prior year to a third quarter record of $58 million.
Gross profit increased due to project mix in the commercial renewable institutional and utility markets.
Offset impart by lower industrial gross profit.
This business also had higher selling general and administrative costs largely higher payroll related expenses.
The higher interest expense from increased working capital needs and higher interest rates.
That summarizes the financial highlights for the quarter and now I'd like to turn the call over to Dave for his formal remarks, Dave.
Thank you Jason and thank you everyone for spending time with us today and for your continued interest in MDU resources.
Today is an exciting day for our company as we announced our plan to spin off construction services business for MDU resources.
Back on November <unk> of last year, we announced the undertaking of a strategic review of this business and completed that review with a subsequent announcement on July 10th this year that we would pursue a tax advantage separation of the business.
At that time, we mentioned our focus was determined the best method and timeline to effectuate a separation, which we are excited to announce today. We expect this spin off to significantly enhance the value within our businesses and achieves our stated goal of transforming MDU resources into a pure play Reg.
Related energy delivery business.
I'd like to start by discussing our third quarter results and outlook at each of our businesses before providing an overview of the spinoff of notes with.
Our strong third quarter results continue the trend we have seen throughout 2023 of outstanding performance from all of our companies.
We have had an active regulatory schedule in 2023 for our regulated energy delivery businesses and have seen the benefits of new rate implementations at our electric natural gas and pipeline businesses. Our construction service business continues to report record results and has a strong backlog.
Moving into the end of the year at.
At all of our businesses have exciting opportunities as we look to the future.
At our utility business electric retail sales volumes for the third quarter were 36, 6% higher than last year and year to date or 23% higher than this time in 2022.
This quarterly increase is largely from serving a data center customer that was brought online here in the second quarter of 'twenty three.
We have also filed a request with the North Dakota Public Service Commission to serve another data center that is expected to come online in 2024.
We expect heskett unit four to be operational before the end of this year as construction is largely completed on the 88 megawatt natural gas fired electric generating facility located near Mandan North Dakota.
It is currently undergoing performance and environmental testing.
We also continue to expect to grow our rate base at our electric and gas business between 6% and 7% compounded annually over the next five years.
This is driven primarily by investments in system infrastructure upgrades and replacements to safely meet customer demand.
We received approval in August on a settlement in our Montana Electric case and rates took effect there on October one.
Also in August we filed an electric rate case, and a natural gas rate case, both in South Dakota.
We also filed a natural gas rate case in North Dakota, just earlier this week on November one.
Our utility continues to seek timely regulatory recovery for investments associated with providing safe and reliable electric and natural gas service to our growing customer base, including a multi year case that we expect to file in the first quarter of 2024 for the state of Washington.
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At our pipeline business here, we had a record quarter of earnings and year to date earnings which are 19% higher than this time last year.
This business also saw another record quarter of natural gas transportation volumes largely from increased contracted volume commitments on our north Bakken expansion project.
In August the company settled its rate case with its customers and FERC staff, the new transportation and storage service rates, which are pending final FERC approval took effect here on August one.
And are expected to result in a 7% revenue increase or approximately $10 million on an annual basis.
We began construction in the second quarter of this year on three natural gas pipeline expansion expansion projects.
Two of these projects were placed into service on November one.
And we will add additional natural gas transportation capacity of 119 million cubic feet per day.
The third project is expected to be completed here in early 2024.
Add in additional natural gas transportation capacity of 175 million cubic feet per day.
On October 19th at WBI also received FERC approval for its <unk> expansion project slated for eastern North Dakota.
This project will allow for an additional 12 20 million cubic feet of natural gas transportation capacity per day to the region.
And is supported by long term customer commitments.
Total cost for this project is approximately $75 million and is expected to be in service in late 2024.
With a strong start to the year for our regulated energy delivery businesses. We are increasing earnings guidance for these businesses to now a range of 155 million to $165 million up $5 million from our previous range of $150 million to $160 million.
As I mentioned previously our construction services business continues to see record results and strong ongoing demand for its services.
We saw a record third quarter earnings and EBITDA and year to date earnings and EBITDA are up 20% and 21% respectively when compared to the same time last year.
Gross profit was up in the quarter for both our <unk> and our T&D business lines and backlog remains strong at 185 billion.
We are well positioned to complete these projects safely and efficiently with our ability to attract and retain a skilled workforce of over 8000 employees across our footprint.
We are affirming our 2023 revenue guidance to be in the range of $2 $8 billion to $3 billion.
And we expect now higher margins compared to 2022.
We are increasing and narrowing our EBITDA guidance to a range of $210 million to $230 million from our prior range of 200 million to $225 million.
Looking forward, our construction service business is well positioned to benefit from increased bidding opportunities with the funding from the infrastructure investment and jobs Act and the inflation reduction Act our construction services business expect to see increased demand in 2023 and beyond.
Overall as we look ahead, we are encouraged by our opportunities for ongoing customer and system growth in our electric and natural gas utilities.
Our robust slate of pipeline expansion projects and steady demand for its pipeline services, along with high demand for our construction services.
Now I'd like to turn back to our earlier announcement made today and our plan to spin off our wholly owned construction services business.
MDU construction service group to form into two independent publicly traded companies.
This separation will allow each company to enhance its strategic focus to pursue individualized industry specific opportunities and use equity tailored to each business to enhance acquisition programs and retention and hiring.
Both companies will benefit from distinct capital structures and financial policies in line.
With their business profiles and needs each company will have enhanced flexibility to deploy capital toward their specific growth opportunities through tailored capital allocation strategies.
We believe this separation will provide investors with two compelling investment opportunities and the investment community will be able to better assess the value of each business based on its respective operational and financial characteristics.
MDU resources is committed to establishing strong capital allocation strategies for each business that align with each business long term goals.
Polish spinoff MDU resources intends to maintain a long term dividend payout ratio target.
60% to 70% of regulated energy delivery earnings as we announced earlier this year.
MDU construction services group dividend policy will be determined on a future consistent with the company's stated capital allocation strategies.
Further details about capital structure governance, and other elements of the spinoff will be announced later.
When the spinoff is complete it is expected that MDU resources shareholders will retain their current shares of MDU resources stock.
And receive a pro rata distribution of shares of MDU construction services group stock.
We expect the spinoff to be completed in late 2024 subject to certain conditions that are described in the news release.
Further details on the transaction will be provided at a later date as we continue working diligently to the spinoff process.
In light of today's announcement and in order to provide a more fulsome update to the construction service spinoff as well as our pure play regulated energy delivery strategy. We're also a rescheduling our investor day to the first quarter of 2024.
As always MDU resources is committed to operating with integrity and with a focus on safety, while creating superior shareholder value.
As we continue providing essential products and services to our customers and our communities.
While being a great and safe place to work.
One final item that I'd like to touch on is the announcement of my retirement as President and CEO noted in early January and our prior release, along with Nicole <unk> being named my successor.
First I believe Nicole will do an excellent job in this role and have full confidence in her ability to lead in digital resources moving forward.
With our future state as a pure play regulated entity her strategic leadership and experience will serve the company well.
As for myself it has been a great honor to be part of this organization for the last 40 years and to work with so many wonderful people I am very proud of everything that we have accomplished and I'm confident that MDU resources is positioned well for continued expense.
I plan to run through the finish line of January 5th, but with this being in mind in my last quarterly earnings call prior to that date.
Like to wrap up by saying Thank you to all of you that have a pleasure to work with and meet over this career.
So with that I appreciate your interest in and commitment to MDU resources and ask now we open the line for other questions operator Cynthia.
Thank you.
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Your first question comes from the line of Darius <unk> with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question.
Hi, Derik.
A new deal.
Hi, Dave.
Maybe just on the debt.
The spending that was announced today just I know you guys considered a range of I think what you're referring to tax advantaged strategies can.
Can you talk a little bit more now that the announcement is out there just sort of about how that process wins, maybe other avenues that you considered before finally landing on this one and also to the extent that you can.
Are there any dis synergies that you anticipate from the spinoffs such as.
Possibly higher public company costs for a.
Relatively small standalone CST. Thank you Yep Yep, certainly so specific to the spend areas certainly.
This has been a strategic review focus of ours really for the last year and U as we updated the market back in mid July as to or look to a tax advantaged a separation of the business clearly today, we're more clearly defining that as to a tax free spin of the business, we look to effectuate.
And by late 2024 and so.
I would say we looked at the broad range of possibilities there ultimately along with our board we decided that we believe for the optimize the value likely create the most value for this business, we look to do.
To what we've just really did with knife River essentially we've created some institutional knowledge there as well.
But ultimately we do believe.
A tax free separation via spin is look to optimize the value of the business.
And I can jump in on the Dis synergy question Derrick This is Jason.
Look at this Youre correct as we think about separating of standing up a separate public company here there would be some some additional public company costs ESG pays a portion of those today.
As a segment of the MDU resources.
Companies here, but I have a couple.
A whole lot of that you can say on a standalone basis, what I would say is the one who will provide more updates on that as we put together our form 10 and get ready to show the pro forma financial information, but in addition, I think that was a piece of the decision making process as we look through here as well and we really feel the benefits of a standalone business here in separating these businesses.
By far outweigh any dis synergy type expenses that we would see in the valuation of the business.
Okay excellent. Thank.
Thank you for that detail, maybe just one more around that transaction as far as remain co MDU.
I know you guys will give more fulsome updates in the future but.
It will probably look at.
Terms of business mix risk profile.
We believe similar to some publicly traded peers do you anticipate.
Similar capital structure and financing mix as some of your publicly traded mostly regulated peers.
Yes, Jeremy this is Jason again I think.
You are correct, we're looking at a pure play regulated entity on a go forward basis, and I think the capital structure and financing and as Dave mentioned, one of the benefits of these separations as we look at separating the services business via a spin off is to really give each of these companies a distinct capital structure and that really makes them competitive within the industries that they.
Dissipate.
Okay, great that makes sense, if I could sneak in one more.
And this is just out.
Yes. This is on the <unk> results that were reported.
It seems like a bit of a tick down in the revenue and gross margin contribution from your industrial customers wondering if that's maybe a timing or just a quirk of the backlog or if there's anything any kind of trend that you're recognizing there.
Yes, Thanks for that question Darius depths on the line I'll have to dig into that detail.
Yes.
<unk> hit it right on that.
Eric.
We have completed is going to be followed by additional work in this area we've got.
Great people.
Historical success with.
Relationship.
A number of our customers we are adding more geographic locations not just in the Pacific Northwest, but also in the southwest and also on our Ohio area, where we are.
Expect.
Continued workloads and available work packages and we do have the resources.
To be able to accomplish that work and we'll look forward to rebuilding that but yes that was just a point in time.
Darius if I could maybe just add a little bit I think your point about <unk>.
<unk> segment, having a certain type of quarter, certainly offset by other segments of that business as we think kind of top line in that business at <unk> again, a record quarter the record EBITDA in the year to date results, we feel very very confident in that as we think about the rest of the year.
Any other questions or follow ups to area.
No not at this time I will let others in the queue ask I'll just say congratulations to.
Dave and I also to nickel on the appointment thank you very much.
Thank you Darius.
Your next question comes from the line of Chris <unk> with Siebert Williams Schenk. Please go ahead.
Hey, everybody.
Congratulations to Nicole and to Dave.
Thanks, so much for all the good conversations over the years, Dave I appreciate it.
Can you talk about.
And analysts day schedule.
What's changed in terms of your.
Process.
Yes.
That made you want to change when you give your update.
Yes, Chris I appreciate the commentary earlier I appreciate working with you over the years here as well.
So we just felt given today's announcement and the timing of this.
Clarity if you will on how we are looking to separate the construction services business and the timing of that.
Slated for late 2024 that we just felt probably first quarter 'twenty four would just be a more appropriate timing to give a more fulsome update into the marketplace.
More kind of what the remain co story looks like and how that.
Can kind of build on itself along with greater clarity on construction services.
There's a number of end markets there to be describing and I think.
In our opinion there'd be enhanced.
Investor interest is knowing the the separation being a separate.
A publicly traded company.
Which is our target we just thought that was probably a more appropriate timing.
Okay.
When you get to that.
Late.
First quarter meeting do you anticipate having.
Greater clarity on the form.
Transaction might take.
That's certainly part of this is we as we work through this and we would expect to have participants all the principles of those business units, certainly Nicole leading the group, but the electric and gas business. The pipeline business is the remain co story and then obviously, Jeff as part of the and his team is par.
The the CST spin co story.
Okay, and one last question for Jeff.
Jeff has the sort of improvement in your outlook for margins this year.
Throughout the year, giving you any.
Insights into what your outlook for next year might look like.
Yes, I'm really confident in our ability to continue to perform at a high level a record level with with our company.
Part of our margin improvement has been due to.
Getting our Msas and also our jobs that we are in pre construction and getting pricing updates to be able to.
Update the labor increases fuel increases equipment costs that we've had in addition to that the ability to execute in the field that is crucial to our business and we've gotten better through our pre fabrication initiatives got better through our planning and of course, our field personnel and the management staff that support.
Some have all stepped up and that's put us in a good platform in a good position to be able to span go forward and continue to provide exceptional shareholder value.
Okay. Thank you so much for the details everybody.
Thank you Chris.
Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Levine with Citi. Please go ahead.
Hi, everybody congratulations.
Dave.
Retirement.
Thank you Ryan.
To start off in terms of the timeline that you highlighted.
The intention is to do the spin by the end of next year.
What are the key milestones that really need to be achieved two to hit that deadline.
In the disclosed material there was reference to a private letter ruling and other contingent.
Item whats the challenge there or whats the confidence level that you can be able to achieve the targeted timeline.
Yes.
Ryan I'm going to ask Jason Vollmer to lead off there Jason really led.
From an internal perspective, our knife river spin and all the activities associated with that and coincidentally I've asked him to lead this effort. So.
Jason because he can talk with detail there, but I think youre looking kind of for the high level work streams here.
Yes, absolutely I can dive into a few of those so you are right. There are some sort of major items that we see whether it's a.
Potential for a private letter ruling looking at the form 10 process getting through the SEC comment process, we want to stand this up carving out financial statements in making sure we have everything audited and separate and at the right level in developing that investor story in forecasting here those are all things that I think.
The nice thing is we've got a lot of experience with US. We just came out of a knife River transaction, where we were able to get this done in a what we thought was a pretty timely manner and certainly work through that and set up a successful Standalone company. There. We use a lot of lessons learned I think throughout that process to look at the CSP process here and said what we think is.
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Aggressive, but achievable time goal to be able to to get us where we need to be so we've got a high level of confidence in the team's ability to be able to move through this and get this done in a timely manner and we really feel like that.
That timeframe gives us a great opportunity to be able to do.
Do the diligence we need on this project and get them stood up as a very successful public company.
Okay.
I guess recognizing that some of the final capital structure is to be determined, but maybe moving to the fundamental various.
<unk> on a go forward basis.
Speak to where you think the backlog mix will be.
And then next year in terms of different customer types or industries that you are targeting.
Yeah, Ryan I'll ask Jesse to comment on kind of a.
Future look at backlog and certainly split between T&D and <unk> as we think about the major segments of that business Jeff.
Okay. Thanks, Dave Thanks, Ryan for your question, our backlog has always been broad base.
Youre currently building some of the most innovative and largest projects in multiple geographic regions and in the markets that we serve.
These projects include but really are limited to mission critical data center work.
So I my conductor manufacturing healthcare renewables and of course, hospitality and gaming projects in the entertainment sector.
And there are more of these type of projects on our radar in the future and our T&D sector transmission and distribution work, including wildfire mitigation traffic signal work are on our top 10 backlog list and we are currently underway on two significant transportation projects in the Kansas City area.
In addition to our MSA and substation work for our utility customers again this illustrates our diversification as a company and how we have the ability to capitalize on the market and then of course to expanding market for continued success by see more of the same type of work, but as mark.
<unk> suggests we will we will allocate those resources.
And that will include of course, capturing some more of the infrastructure investment and jobs Act and inflation reduction at work.
We have the experience in these areas and will continue to.
Position for those to be.
Adding those projects and those opportunities of our backlog and executing successfully.
Great and then one follow up in terms of that mix, particularly on <unk>.
On the renewable utility work are you seeing any of that.
<unk> timeline or delay in projects as well.
Looking out over the next 12 months.
We're not seeing any project delays over the next 12 months.
So thats all Thats all positive we are in pre construction.
Several more than several projects that are going to.
Add to our backlog going forward, so looking forward to.
That momentum and building upon our Q3 record performance.
Thanks for your time.
Thank you Ryan.
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Your next question comes from the line of Brian Russo with Sidoti. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon.
Hi, Brian Good afternoon to you.
Hey, just a follow up on.
Renewables.
Just looking at.
The third quarter revenue it looks like renewables were down on <unk> of course was down quite significantly and again it was down for.
For the nine months ended September while I see margins up.
Thought you if you could just comment on.
The revenue trends today, or if youre seeing any near term slowdown or projects being pushed to the right.
Yes.
Yes, we had a large project complete in Las Vegas.
Also picked up additional work in the renewable solar area.
Ohio and the Midwest.
We do have several projects on our radar screen in the Midwest and are currently also looking for an <unk>.
<unk> of our backlog and the renewable.
<unk> solar market.
Las Vegas area going forward, we did have completion of.
Very significant projects in the Pacific Northwest.
Those projects are completed and I think thats what is.
Affecting that the numbers that we've reported out here. So we have the capabilities on the solar work of course also.
The Evs electrical vehicle, we've worked in manufacturing facilities, we've done quite a few of the charging stations.
So we've got the experience we see that this is a good opportunity going forward, we're positioned well for it.
We'll be able to build upon that as those opportunities come forward.
Okay, Great and then.
Switching gears to the utility.
Ride.
It looks like you're probably right.
With what's filed.
In terms of rate cases, and what's already a completed the only thing left right into Washington.
Gas case.
And given that I correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's about 20% to 25% of your overall utility operations could you just add.
Add more color.
Well, maybe the accumulating rate base looks like or remind us when.
The test year of the last rate case that concluded was.
Yes, I can go ahead and take that thanks for the question, Brian So yeah, I'm really proud of the team's work as we think about the overall regulatory activity that we have undertaken obviously a lot of that was highlighted in the news release. So you have seen what we've done historically and certainly that has added.
So our ability to improve our ROE over the last trailing 12 months. So I'm really proud of the team's work there in terms of your question on go ahead.
We are doing in the ensuing year, yes. So one we've highlighted in the in the remarks. Since then Washington multiyear case. So this will be the first year that we'd be using the multiyear case in that state. We recently implemented rates in the state here.
Last year.
We'll be filing for the multiyear case here next year. In addition to Washington, though I would comment that we are looking at three other states for filings later in the year next year or so most likely we would be filing in addition to Washington and three other gas jurisdictions.
With respect to the overall percentage you've got that approximately right.
Keep in mind that we've got Washington, and Oregon that operate under the Cascade Brown.
Washington would be the larger state of those two.
Did that answer.
Sure.
Yes, It did and just one quick follow up.
Zinc.
In Washington State is at 11 month statutory statutory period to conclude rate cases, so you file an.
In early 'twenty four.
Assume that youll have full rates in effect in 2025.
You are correct. It's an 11 month statutory yes. So if we file in the first quarter whenever date, we file a 11 months from there would be the assumed implementation date.
Okay, Great and then just switching to the transmission MISO tranche one.
Projects that youre working on any updates on the development there.
Is everything on time and on schedule and aligned with.
Your capital forecast.
Yes, we have been working with our partner and have hosted.
Several open houses in some of the communities that would tie.
B in the line of sight in terms of that project.
Everything right now, it's obviously early stages, but everything right now is on time and we have not changed the overall budget. So as a reminder, we're a partner on that project total project costs are estimated at 440, <unk>, which would be 220 million and that is included in.
In our forecast and we will continue to be included at that rate as we think about a new updated forecast that we would be bringing to the market here later in November.
Okay, great well. Thank you very much and Jay has got good luck in your future I appreciate working with thank you very much Brian.
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At this time there are no further questions I would now like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.
Yeah.
Well. Thank you all for taking the time to join US here on this third quarter earnings call. We are excited about today's announcement of the planned spinoff of MDU construction services group and look forward to keeping you updated as we progress through the separation process, we are optimistic about our growth opportunities and future regulated <unk>.
<unk> delivery projects and excited about the strong demand and performance of our construction service business.
We thank you again and appreciate your continued interest in and support of MDU resources and with that I'll turn it back to you the operator, Cynthia Thanks again.
This concludes today's MDU resources Group Conference call. Thank you for your participation you may now disconnect.
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