Q3 2023 Liberty Media Corp Earnings Call
Operator: Welcome to the Liberty Media Corporation's 2023 Q3 Earnings Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. At that time, if you have a question, please press star one on your telephone. As a reminder, this conference will be recorded on 3 November. I would now like to turn the call over to Shane Kleinstein, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Welcome to the Liberty Media Corporation, 2023, Q3 earnings call.
During the presentation all parse all participants will be in a listen only mode.
Afterwards, we will conduct a question and answer session.
At that time, if you have a question. Please press star one on your telephone.
As a reminder, this conference will be recorded in November 3rd.
I would now like to turn the call over to Shane <unk>, Vice President Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Shane Kleinstein: Thank you. Before we begin, we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Thank you before we begin we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward looking statements within the meaning of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those mentioned in the most recent Form 10-K, and 10-Q filed by Liberty media with the SEC and the most recent form 10.
[Analyst]: Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those mentioned in the most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q filed by Liberty Media with the SEC and the most recent Form 10-Q and registration statement on Form S-1 filed by Atlanta Braves Holdings with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, and Liberty Media and Atlanta Braves Holdings expressly disclaim any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein to reflect any change in Liberty Media or Atlanta Braves Holdings' expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions, or circumstances on which any such statement is based. On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for Liberty Media, SiriusXM, and Atlanta Braves Holdings, including adjusted OIBDA and adjusted EBITDA.
Shane Kleinstein: Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those mentioned in the most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q filed by Liberty Media with the SEC and the most recent Form 10-Q and registration statement on Form S-1 filed by Atlanta Braves Holdings with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, and Liberty Media and Atlanta Braves Holdings expressly disclaim any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein to reflect any change in Liberty Media or Atlanta Braves Holdings' expectations with regard thereto or any change in events, conditions, or circumstances on which any such statement is based. On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for Liberty Media, SiriusXM, and Atlanta Braves Holdings, including adjusted OIBDA and adjusted EBITDA.
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On today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures for Liberty Media, Sirius XM, and Atlanta Braves holdings, including adjusted OIBDA and adjusted EBITDA, the required definitions and reconciliations for Liberty media, Siriusxm and Atlanta Braves Holdings schedules one through three can be found at the end of the earnings press release issued today, which are available on Liberty media and Atlanta.
[Analyst]: The required definitions and reconciliations for Liberty Media, SiriusXM, and Atlanta Braves Holdings, Schedules 1 through 3, can be found at the end of the earnings press release issued today, which are available on Liberty Media and Atlanta Braves Holdings' websites. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Greg Maffei, Liberty's President and CEO. Thank you, Shane, and good morning to all. Today, speaking in the call, we will also have Formula One's President and CEO, Stefano Domenicali, and Liberty's Chief Accounting and Principal Financial Officer, Brian Wendling. Also, during Q&A, we will be available to answer questions related to the Atlanta Braves Holdings, and Braves Management will be available as well. So, beginning with Liberty SiriusXM, we did propose a combination of LSXM and SiriusXM. The goal is to rationalize the dual corporate structure, create a single share class, and benefit both groups of shareholders.
Shane Kleinstein: The required definitions and reconciliations for Liberty Media, SiriusXM, and Atlanta Braves Holdings, Schedules 1 through 3, can be found at the end of the earnings press release issued today, which are available on Liberty Media and Atlanta Braves Holdings' websites. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Greg Maffei, Liberty's President and CEO.
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Greg Maffei: Thank you, Shane, and good morning to all. Today, speaking in the call, we will also have Formula One's President and CEO, Stefano Domenicali, and Liberty's Chief Accounting and Principal Financial Officer, Brian Wendling. Also, during Q&A, we will be available to answer questions related to the Atlanta Braves Holdings, and Braves Management will be available as well. So, beginning with Liberty SiriusXM, we did propose a combination of LSXM and SiriusXM. The goal is to rationalize the dual corporate structure, create a single share class, and benefit both groups of shareholders.
Thank you Shane and good morning to all.
Today speaking on the call. We will also have formula one's president and CEO, Stefano Domenicali, and Liberty's, Chief accounting and principal financial Officer, Brian Wendling.
Also during Q&A, we will be available to answer questions related to the Atlanta Braves holdings embrace management will be available as well.
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[Analyst]: We believe such a combination would lead to enhanced trading dynamics at new Sirius with increased liquidity, less technical pressure, for example, a smaller short interest, and a higher likelihood of future index inclusion. We will provide updates on this potential transaction only if and when an agreement is reached. So, let me turn to Sirius itself. Q3 results demonstrate what management had put forward during the year, that there would be continuous improvement throughout the year, and we saw sequential improvements in self-pay net adds, and we expect a slightly positive back half of the year. EBITDA grew 4% versus the prior year and 6% sequentially, and there were $40 million of cost savings that were realized during the third quarter. The dividend was raised 10%. The board approved that, showing continued confidence in Sirius's cash flow generation capabilities.
Greg Maffei: We believe such a combination would lead to enhanced trading dynamics at new Sirius with increased liquidity, less technical pressure, for example, a smaller short interest, and a higher likelihood of future index inclusion. We will provide updates on this potential transaction only if and when an agreement is reached. So, let me turn to Sirius itself. Q3 results demonstrate what management had put forward during the year, that there would be continuous improvement throughout the year, and we saw sequential improvements in self-pay net adds, and we expect a slightly positive back half of the year. EBITDA grew 4% versus the prior year and 6% sequentially, and there were $40 million of cost savings that were realized during the third quarter. The dividend was raised 10%. The board approved that, showing continued confidence in Sirius's cash flow generation capabilities.
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[Analyst]: SiriusXM also announced an expanded partnership with Ford to make SiriusXM a standard feature in all traditional F-150s, beginning with the 2024 model year. That's important because the Ford F-150 has been the best-selling vehicle in the US for over 40 years. Management does remain focused on its strategic objectives, supported by the significant EBITDA and free cash flow generation. You will see a new streaming experience and branded platform announced next Wednesday, the day before our analysts' day, by the SiriusXM management team at their own event, and we believe this new experience will be able to drive engagement and enhance subscriber acquisition and retention. Turning now to the Formula One Group, we announced in September our planned acquisition of Quint. Quint is a provider of hospitality inventory, and they sell unique experiences to F1, the NBA, for the NBA All-Star Game, the Kentucky Derby, and other sporting events.
Greg Maffei: SiriusXM also announced an expanded partnership with Ford to make SiriusXM a standard feature in all traditional F-150s, beginning with the 2024 model year. That's important because the Ford F-150 has been the best-selling vehicle in the US for over 40 years. Management does remain focused on its strategic objectives, supported by the significant EBITDA and free cash flow generation. You will see a new streaming experience and branded platform announced next Wednesday, the day before our analysts' day, by the SiriusXM management team at their own event, and we believe this new experience will be able to drive engagement and enhance subscriber acquisition and retention. Turning now to the Formula One Group, we announced in September our planned acquisition of Quint. Quint is a provider of hospitality inventory, and they sell unique experiences to F1, the NBA, for the NBA All-Star Game, the Kentucky Derby, and other sporting events.
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[Analyst]: We believe this merger or this purchase will enable us an enhanced partnership with F1 and lead us to expand to other live sporting events. Quint is a high-growth asset with EBITDA and cash flow positive capabilities and currently already are both, but we'll expect will grow more over time. Turning to other things at F1, during the quarter in October, we repriced the $1.7 billion of our F1 term loan B, and we tightened the spread there from 300 basis points to 225 basis points. At F1 itself, we see surging popularity, and it continues. We've had continued sellouts in the Grandstands and the Paddock Club. We've seen growth in engagement and awareness across social platforms, TV, digital platforms like F1T, social, consumer media, and others. You continue to see new interest in Formula One.
Greg Maffei: We believe this merger or this purchase will enable us an enhanced partnership with F1 and lead us to expand to other live sporting events. Quint is a high-growth asset with EBITDA and cash flow positive capabilities and currently already are both, but we'll expect will grow more over time. Turning to other things at F1, during the quarter in October, we repriced the $1.7 billion of our F1 term loan B, and we tightened the spread there from 300 basis points to 225 basis points. At F1 itself, we see surging popularity, and it continues. We've had continued sellouts in the Grandstands and the Paddock Club. We've seen growth in engagement and awareness across social platforms, TV, digital platforms like F1T, social, consumer media, and others. You continue to see new interest in Formula One.
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[Analyst]: For example, we've seen new investors, high-profile investors join at Alpine, Rory McIlroy, Anthony Joshua, and Patrick Mahomes, and that follows Ryan Reynolds' investment in June. This morning, at F1, we also announced a five-year extension of our race in Brazil through 2030. We are excited for the inaugural Vegas race in just under two weeks to begin. The pit building is ready. We received a certificate of occupancy to operate for the race. This will be the largest pit building on the F1 calendar. The rooftop deck and wraparound balcony will provide 360-degree views of the track. The temporary structure is in place. The bridges are complete. We are ready to go. This event will offer an unparalleled fan experience. It's going to kick off with an All-Star lineup for the opening ceremony Wednesday before the race, which will air on ESPN 2.
Greg Maffei: For example, we've seen new investors, high-profile investors join at Alpine, Rory McIlroy, Anthony Joshua, and Patrick Mahomes, and that follows Ryan Reynolds' investment in June. This morning, at F1, we also announced a five-year extension of our race in Brazil through 2030. We are excited for the inaugural Vegas race in just under two weeks to begin. The pit building is ready. We received a certificate of occupancy to operate for the race. This will be the largest pit building on the F1 calendar. The rooftop deck and wraparound balcony will provide 360-degree views of the track. The temporary structure is in place. The bridges are complete. We are ready to go. This event will offer an unparalleled fan experience. It's going to kick off with an All-Star lineup for the opening ceremony Wednesday before the race, which will air on ESPN 2.
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[Analyst]: To name a few, there'll be Keith Urban, Andrew Day, J Balvin, Will.i.am, Journey, and others. We'll also have Netflix hosting its first-ever live sporting event, the Netflix Cup. This will be a golf tournament with F1 drivers and PGA Tour players, and it will stream on Netflix on 14 November at 6:00PM Eastern Time. The Vegas race is generating record-breaking sponsorship levels with new marquee brands, and these examples include Moët Hennessy, T-Mobile, and Google Chrome. But more importantly, we think the Vegas experience will create commercial opportunities beyond the race itself and accrue to the broader F1 ecosystem. The Amex partnership we recently announced is a great example, and there are more to come.
Greg Maffei: To name a few, there'll be Keith Urban, Andrew Day, J Balvin, Will.i.am, Journey, and others. We'll also have Netflix hosting its first-ever live sporting event, the Netflix Cup. This will be a golf tournament with F1 drivers and PGA Tour players, and it will stream on Netflix on 14 November at 6:00PM Eastern Time. The Vegas race is generating record-breaking sponsorship levels with new marquee brands, and these examples include Moët Hennessy, T-Mobile, and Google Chrome. But more importantly, we think the Vegas experience will create commercial opportunities beyond the race itself and accrue to the broader F1 ecosystem. The Amex partnership we recently announced is a great example, and there are more to come.
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[Analyst]: We did incur significant expense in launching year one in Vegas, and that included extra provisions for safety, security, and traffic planning, which was required by local regulators, and we had several non-recurring items, for example, our first-year-only opening ceremony, as I mentioned, and the design and launch of our multipurpose app and creation of a fan database. We remain highly confident in the increased efficiency to operate there and our growing profitability in years two and beyond, and we remain bullish on the broader value creation at LVGP that far outweighs the increased investment and startup costs. Let me turn now to Liberty Live Group, where we issued new $1.15 billion of 2 and 3/8 Live exchangeable in September. $918 million of those proceeds were used to repurchase 93% of our existing LYV exchangeable. Looking at Live Nation itself, another record quarter announced.
Greg Maffei: We did incur significant expense in launching year one in Vegas, and that included extra provisions for safety, security, and traffic planning, which was required by local regulators, and we had several non-recurring items, for example, our first-year-only opening ceremony, as I mentioned, and the design and launch of our multipurpose app and creation of a fan database. We remain highly confident in the increased efficiency to operate there and our growing profitability in years two and beyond, and we remain bullish on the broader value creation at LVGP that far outweighs the increased investment and startup costs. Let me turn now to Liberty Live Group, where we issued new $1.15 billion of 2 and 3/8 Live exchangeable in September. $918 million of those proceeds were used to repurchase 93% of our existing LYV exchangeable. Looking at Live Nation itself, another record quarter announced.
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[Analyst]: Looking year to date, they've sold 140 million tickets versus 121 million for the full 2022. Revenue was up 36%. AY was up 33%. They saw strength in all markets, venues, and price points, with international leading the way. Year to date, concert fans are up 21%, with international fans up 34%. Per fan profitability is up double digits globally at operated and owned theaters and clubs, and sponsorship has been a tremendous win with a new large deal with Mastercard, driven again by growth in the international concerts platform. Live sees continuing tailwinds into 2024 and beyond. Consumer wallets are continuing to be spent on live experiences. We see untapped potential in the continuing globalization of live's business, and large venues are showing a pipeline and sponsorship commitments, which are up double digits.
Greg Maffei: Looking year to date, they've sold 140 million tickets versus 121 million for the full 2022. Revenue was up 36%. AY was up 33%. They saw strength in all markets, venues, and price points, with international leading the way. Year to date, concert fans are up 21%, with international fans up 34%. Per fan profitability is up double digits globally at operated and owned theaters and clubs, and sponsorship has been a tremendous win with a new large deal with Mastercard, driven again by growth in the international concerts platform. Live sees continuing tailwinds into 2024 and beyond. Consumer wallets are continuing to be spent on live experiences. We see untapped potential in the continuing globalization of live's business, and large venues are showing a pipeline and sponsorship commitments, which are up double digits.
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[Analyst]: Lastly, looking at the Braves, it was an incredible season on field and off the field, even if the playoff run was obviously more disappointing and ended earlier than we had hoped. We finished with the best record in Major League Baseball, 104 wins against 58 losses. 3.2 million tickets were sold, a new record for Truist Park. We won our sixth straight National League East title. The Braves have won the most division titles of any team in baseball since the institution of divisional play in 1969. The Braves had strong financial performance. Baseball revenue was up 11% year to date from increased ticket demand and attendance, and The Battery continued to benefit from increased traffic and rent growth, with adjusted OIBDA at the mixed-use up 15% in their nine months versus the prior year.
Greg Maffei: Lastly, looking at the Braves, it was an incredible season on field and off the field, even if the playoff run was obviously more disappointing and ended earlier than we had hoped. We finished with the best record in Major League Baseball, 104 wins against 58 losses. 3.2 million tickets were sold, a new record for Truist Park. We won our sixth straight National League East title. The Braves have won the most division titles of any team in baseball since the institution of divisional play in 1969. The Braves had strong financial performance. Baseball revenue was up 11% year to date from increased ticket demand and attendance, and The Battery continued to benefit from increased traffic and rent growth, with adjusted OIBDA at the mixed-use up 15% in their nine months versus the prior year.
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[Analyst]: With that, let me turn it over to Brian for some more on our financial results. Thank you, Greg, and good morning. My remarks this morning, when I'm talking about balance sheet figures, will be comparing 9:30 to the adjusted 6:30 balances that are adjusted for the split-off that was completed on 18 July and the reclassification of our tracking stocks that was completed on 3 August, as you'll see noted in the release. At quarter end, Liberty SiriusXM Group had attributable cash, liquid investments, and monetizable public holdings of $339 million, excluding $53 million of cash held at SiriusXM and including the BATR stake held at LSXM that's valued at $65 million as of 9:30. We expect these shares will be exchanged with third-party lenders to pay down debt in the near term.
Greg Maffei: With that, let me turn it over to Brian for some more on our financial results.
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Brian Wendling: Thank you, Greg, and good morning. My remarks this morning, when I'm talking about balance sheet figures, will be comparing 9:30 to the adjusted 6:30 balances that are adjusted for the split-off that was completed on 18 July and the reclassification of our tracking stocks that was completed on 3 August, as you'll see noted in the release. At quarter end, Liberty SiriusXM Group had attributable cash, liquid investments, and monetizable public holdings of $339 million, excluding $53 million of cash held at SiriusXM and including the BATR stake held at LSXM that's valued at $65 million as of 9:30. We expect these shares will be exchanged with third-party lenders to pay down debt in the near term.
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So the adjusted 630 balances that are adjusted for the split off that was completed on July 18th and the reclassification of our tracking stocks. It was completed on August 3rd as you'll see are noted in the release.
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[Analyst]: There's also $1.1 billion of undrawn margin loan capacity at the parent level related to our SiriusXM margin loan. As of 2 November, the value of the SiriusXM stock was $14.9 billion. We have $1.4 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings. Total Liberty SiriusXM Group attributed principal amount of debt is $11.5 billion, which includes $9.4 billion of debt at SiriusXM. Subsequent to quarter end, Liberty SiriusXM retired the remaining $199 million outstanding face value of the $1.375 basket convertible notes. Turning to the Formula One Group, at quarter end, Formula One Group had attributed cash and liquid investments of $1.5 billion. This includes $947 million of cash at Formula One. Total Formula One Group attributed principal amount of debt was $2.9 billion, which includes $2.4 billion of debt at F1, leaving $500 million at the corporate level.
Brian Wendling: There's also $1.1 billion of undrawn margin loan capacity at the parent level related to our SiriusXM margin loan. As of 2 November, the value of the SiriusXM stock was $14.9 billion. We have $1.4 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings. Total Liberty SiriusXM Group attributed principal amount of debt is $11.5 billion, which includes $9.4 billion of debt at SiriusXM. Subsequent to quarter end, Liberty SiriusXM retired the remaining $199 million outstanding face value of the $1.375 basket convertible notes. Turning to the Formula One Group, at quarter end, Formula One Group had attributed cash and liquid investments of $1.5 billion. This includes $947 million of cash at Formula One. Total Formula One Group attributed principal amount of debt was $2.9 billion, which includes $2.4 billion of debt at F1, leaving $500 million at the corporate level.
There's also $1 1 billion of Undrawn margin loan capacity at the parent level related to our Sirius XM margin loan.
As of November 2nd the value of the Sirius XM stock was $14 9 billion, we have $1 4 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings total Liberty Siriusxm group attributed principal amount of debt is $11 5 billion, which includes $9 4 billion of debt at Sirius XM.
Subsequent to quarter end Liberty Sirius XM retired the remaining $199 million outstanding face value of the 1375 basket convertible notes.
Turning to the Formula One group at quarter end Formula One group had attributed cash and liquid investments of $1 5 billion. This includes a $947 million of cash at Formula one.
Total Formula One group attributed principal amount of debt was $2 9 billion, which includes $2 4 billion of debt F. One, leaving $500 million of corporate level.
[Analyst]: F1's $500 million revolver is undrawn, and their leverage at quarter end was 2.2 times. As Greg mentioned, F1 repriced its term loan B in October, resulting in 75 basis points of margin compression to 225 basis points. The F1 business is best analyzed on an annual basis given its variability in the year-over-year race calendar. With that said, though, I will make a few brief remarks on the quarterly results. During the quarter, F1 recognized a higher proportion of season-based income due to 8 out of 22 races occurring during this quarter compared to 7 out of 22 last year. The mix of races also benefited our financial results in the third quarter with two flyaway races, Singapore and Japan, taking place this year versus France in the prior year period. Formula One grew OIBDA in the quarter in line with revenue growth.
Brian Wendling: F1's $500 million revolver is undrawn, and their leverage at quarter end was 2.2 times. As Greg mentioned, F1 repriced its term loan B in October, resulting in 75 basis points of margin compression to 225 basis points. The F1 business is best analyzed on an annual basis given its variability in the year-over-year race calendar. With that said, though, I will make a few brief remarks on the quarterly results. During the quarter, F1 recognized a higher proportion of season-based income due to 8 out of 22 races occurring during this quarter compared to 7 out of 22 last year. The mix of races also benefited our financial results in the third quarter with two flyaway races, Singapore and Japan, taking place this year versus France in the prior year period. Formula One grew OIBDA in the quarter in line with revenue growth.
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[Analyst]: We realized leverage on team payments during the quarter while also making incremental investments in growth initiatives that were lower or not incurred in the prior year period like the Vegas race and F1 Academy. Our team payments are best viewed on a year-to-date basis and represented 64.6% of pre-team OIBDA for the first nine months. I will note that Q2 and Q3 tend to have higher percent payout ratios based on the greater mix of European races in these two quarters. Reminder that other costs of F1 revenue, and SG&A are best viewed as a percent of total revenue. Other costs of F1 revenue for the quarter was 21% of total revenue. Note that the LVGP-related revenues and other costs of sales will largely be recognized in the fourth quarter when the race occurs. On SG&A, the third quarter included $8 million of costs related to LVGP.
Brian Wendling: We realized leverage on team payments during the quarter while also making incremental investments in growth initiatives that were lower or not incurred in the prior year period like the Vegas race and F1 Academy. Our team payments are best viewed on a year-to-date basis and represented 64.6% of pre-team OIBDA for the first nine months. I will note that Q2 and Q3 tend to have higher percent payout ratios based on the greater mix of European races in these two quarters. Reminder that other costs of F1 revenue, and SG&A are best viewed as a percent of total revenue. Other costs of F1 revenue for the quarter was 21% of total revenue. Note that the LVGP-related revenues and other costs of sales will largely be recognized in the fourth quarter when the race occurs. On SG&A, the third quarter included $8 million of costs related to LVGP.
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[Analyst]: On Vegas, as Greg said, the Paddock Building is ready. Year to date through Q3, we incurred approximately $280 million of CapEx related to the pit building structure and trap preparation. The majority of the CapEx spend has and will be incurred at the corporate level related to the pit building as the land and buildings sit within F1 Formula One Group, sorry, separate from the Formula One OpCo. Track-related CapEx has and will be incurred at the F1 OpCo level. At the Liberty Live Group, there's attributed cash, liquid investments, and monetizable public holdings of $417 million, which includes the ETF assets. There's also $400 million of undrawn margin loan capacity related to our Live Nation margin loan. As of 2 November, the value of our Live Nation stock was $5.7 billion.
Brian Wendling: On Vegas, as Greg said, the Paddock Building is ready. Year to date through Q3, we incurred approximately $280 million of CapEx related to the pit building structure and trap preparation. The majority of the CapEx spend has and will be incurred at the corporate level related to the pit building as the land and buildings sit within F1 Formula One Group, sorry, separate from the Formula One OpCo. Track-related CapEx has and will be incurred at the F1 OpCo level. At the Liberty Live Group, there's attributed cash, liquid investments, and monetizable public holdings of $417 million, which includes the ETF assets. There's also $400 million of undrawn margin loan capacity related to our Live Nation margin loan. As of 2 November, the value of our Live Nation stock was $5.7 billion.
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[Analyst]: We have $1.2 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings, and during the quarter, we raised $1.15 billion of new 2.375 Live Nation exchangeable bonds. A portion of these proceeds were used to repurchase approximately 93% of our outstanding 0.5% Live Nation exchangeable bonds for $918 million. There's $62 million remaining outstanding on the 0.5% bonds, which have a September 24 put-call date that we expect to settle with the remaining proceeds from the recent issuance. Liberty and our consolidated subsidiaries are in compliance with their debt covenants at quarter end. Turning briefly to the Atlanta Braves, revenue growth in the quarter primarily reflects increased attendance at regular season games and growth in related revenues, including ticket and concession revenue, which more than offset the impact of one less home game in the current period.
Brian Wendling: We have $1.2 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings, and during the quarter, we raised $1.15 billion of new 2.375 Live Nation exchangeable bonds. A portion of these proceeds were used to repurchase approximately 93% of our outstanding 0.5% Live Nation exchangeable bonds for $918 million. There's $62 million remaining outstanding on the 0.5% bonds, which have a September 24 put-call date that we expect to settle with the remaining proceeds from the recent issuance. Liberty and our consolidated subsidiaries are in compliance with their debt covenants at quarter end. Turning briefly to the Atlanta Braves, revenue growth in the quarter primarily reflects increased attendance at regular season games and growth in related revenues, including ticket and concession revenue, which more than offset the impact of one less home game in the current period.
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And turning briefly to the Atlanta Braves revenue growth in the quarter, primarily reflects increased attendance at regular season games and growth in related revenues, including ticket and concession revenue, which more than offset the impact of one less home game in the current period.
[Analyst]: Battery mixed-use revenue grew due to increased rental income from existing and new tenants, and then baseball operating costs grew in Q3 primarily due to increased player payroll and higher minor league expenses. SG&A was also elevated in Q3 driven by costs related to the split-off. And with that, I'll turn it over to Stefano to discuss Formula One. Thanks, Brian. Good morning. We are coming to the end of an action-packed triple header in the Americas from Austin to Mexico City, and this weekend to Brazil. Max Verstappen and Red Bull have had an incredible season, winning their second consecutive Constructors' Championship and Verstappen's third consecutive title. While the championship has been secured for several races, the other teams are still competing fiercely with tight battles all the way down the field at every event.
Brian Wendling: Battery mixed-use revenue grew due to increased rental income from existing and new tenants, and then baseball operating costs grew in Q3 primarily due to increased player payroll and higher minor league expenses. SG&A was also elevated in Q3 driven by costs related to the split-off. And with that, I'll turn it over to Stefano to discuss Formula One.
Battery mixed used revenue grew due to increased rental income from existing and new tenants.
And then baseball operating costs grew in the third quarter, primarily due to increased player play player payroll and higher minor league expenses SG&A was also elevated in the third quarter driven by costs related to the split off and with that I'll turn it over to Stefano to discuss formula one.
Stefano Domenicali: Thanks, Brian. Good morning. We are coming to the end of an action-packed triple header in the Americas from Austin to Mexico City, and this weekend to Brazil. Max Verstappen and Red Bull have had an incredible season, winning their second consecutive Constructors' Championship and Verstappen's third consecutive title. While the championship has been secured for several races, the other teams are still competing fiercely with tight battles all the way down the field at every event.
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[Analyst]: We have had six different teams represented on the podium season to date. McLaren, Mercedes, and Ferrari have gained strength throughout the season, evidenced in Austin with Lando's excellent start and excitement around the various-type strategy implemented. Carlos Sainz is getting closer to Max in Austin and Mexico, and four Ferrari poles in the last races. We have more battles left to witness for the remainder of the season, even with a number of teams shifting focus to their 2024 cars. With gaps in performance appearing to be closing over recent events, we hope for a real challenge for Max and Red Bull next year. Our business is in a position of strength. Fan engagement is high. Commercial interest is strong.
Stefano Domenicali: We have had six different teams represented on the podium season to date. McLaren, Mercedes, and Ferrari have gained strength throughout the season, evidenced in Austin with Lando's excellent start and excitement around the various-type strategy implemented. Carlos Sainz is getting closer to Max in Austin and Mexico, and four Ferrari poles in the last races. We have more battles left to witness for the remainder of the season, even with a number of teams shifting focus to their 2024 cars. With gaps in performance appearing to be closing over recent events, we hope for a real challenge for Max and Red Bull next year. Our business is in a position of strength. Fan engagement is high. Commercial interest is strong.
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[Analyst]: The teams have sustainably improved their financial health, generating their own incremental sponsorship, which benefits our entire F1 ecosystem, and we have a number of brand expansion initiatives in the works, including the much-anticipated F1-themed film starring Brad Pitt. I will have more to share on our strategy to capitalize on this momentum on Liberty's Investor Day next week. Race attendance in 2023 continues to sell out. The highlight of the third quarter was the record 480,000 weekend attendance at Silverstone for the British Grand Prix, the highest recorded at any event in recent decades. Other highlights showed the Japanese Grand Prix welcomed total weekend attendance of 202,000 to the highest level since 2006. The Netherlands sold out at 305,000 fans. Singapore sold out at 260,000, and last weekend in Mexico saw another record with 400,000 attending. These are massive crowds for the countries where we race.
Stefano Domenicali: The teams have sustainably improved their financial health, generating their own incremental sponsorship, which benefits our entire F1 ecosystem, and we have a number of brand expansion initiatives in the works, including the much-anticipated F1-themed film starring Brad Pitt. I will have more to share on our strategy to capitalize on this momentum on Liberty's Investor Day next week. Race attendance in 2023 continues to sell out. The highlight of the third quarter was the record 480,000 weekend attendance at Silverstone for the British Grand Prix, the highest recorded at any event in recent decades. Other highlights showed the Japanese Grand Prix welcomed total weekend attendance of 202,000 to the highest level since 2006. The Netherlands sold out at 305,000 fans. Singapore sold out at 260,000, and last weekend in Mexico saw another record with 400,000 attending. These are massive crowds for the countries where we race.
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[Analyst]: As we've discussed, our fans are increasingly accessing F1 content across multiple media platforms, including linear, digital, and social. We are building richer and more varied content across media to satisfy the various types of fans. On linear TV, global audiences average approximately 70 million. Growth markets have seen solid year-over-year growth viewership, including Spain, Australia, Mexico, as well as the US, where we have also had particularly strong growth in F1 TV subs. We've seen growth on digital video viewership, with the F1 YouTube channel reaching almost 10 million subscribers, plus 14% year-over-year. Across our social media channels, F1 reached 67.6 million followers as of Q3, up 26% year-over-year. TikTok is now the fastest-growing platform on social media, drawing existing and new fans alike. Massive audiences gravitate to both racing and lifestyle content across our social channels.
Stefano Domenicali: As we've discussed, our fans are increasingly accessing F1 content across multiple media platforms, including linear, digital, and social. We are building richer and more varied content across media to satisfy the various types of fans. On linear TV, global audiences average approximately 70 million. Growth markets have seen solid year-over-year growth viewership, including Spain, Australia, Mexico, as well as the US, where we have also had particularly strong growth in F1 TV subs. We've seen growth on digital video viewership, with the F1 YouTube channel reaching almost 10 million subscribers, plus 14% year-over-year. Across our social media channels, F1 reached 67.6 million followers as of Q3, up 26% year-over-year. TikTok is now the fastest-growing platform on social media, drawing existing and new fans alike. Massive audiences gravitate to both racing and lifestyle content across our social channels.
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[Analyst]: EA launched the F1 23 game in June, and the US is now the biggest market for our game, surpassing the UK for the first time. According to OpenCritic, the game continues to be the highest-rated annualized sporting game franchise globally. F1 continues to advance our approach to audience measurement as consumer behaviors evolve. We aim to better capture our wider viewership and engagement for the future as we continue to grow these touchpoints. Turning to recent updates on our commercial agreement. On race promotion, we look forward to the confirmed 24-race championship calendar next year. We recently renewed our agreement in Belgium for an additional year in 2025 after recovering a race attendance of 380,000 this season. The promoter has invested in its capacity increases and more variety in entertainment for fans in recent years, which has benefited their attendance figures.
Stefano Domenicali: EA launched the F1 23 game in June, and the US is now the biggest market for our game, surpassing the UK for the first time. According to OpenCritic, the game continues to be the highest-rated annualized sporting game franchise globally. F1 continues to advance our approach to audience measurement as consumer behaviors evolve. We aim to better capture our wider viewership and engagement for the future as we continue to grow these touchpoints. Turning to recent updates on our commercial agreement. On race promotion, we look forward to the confirmed 24-race championship calendar next year. We recently renewed our agreement in Belgium for an additional year in 2025 after recovering a race attendance of 380,000 this season. The promoter has invested in its capacity increases and more variety in entertainment for fans in recent years, which has benefited their attendance figures.
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[Analyst]: On media rights, we entered into a strategic partnership with Viaplay in the Netherlands that will allow their customers to access F1 TV Pro as part of their Viaplay subscription, providing fans with incremental commentary, camera angles, radio communication, and more. Our agreement with RTBF in the Netherlands and Belgium were also renewed for multiple seasons. This past week, we have announced an expansion of our agreement with DAZN to broadcast F1 in Spain in an attractive deal until the end of 2026, a market with strong growth in TV viewership this season. TV Pro and access subscribers are continuing to grow and provide a tailwind to our media rights revenue. On sponsorship, our recently announced new multi-year regional partnership with American Express welcomed them as official payment partners for the F1 in the Americas and for Las Vegas Grand Prix.
Stefano Domenicali: On media rights, we entered into a strategic partnership with Viaplay in the Netherlands that will allow their customers to access F1 TV Pro as part of their Viaplay subscription, providing fans with incremental commentary, camera angles, radio communication, and more. Our agreement with RTBF in the Netherlands and Belgium were also renewed for multiple seasons. This past week, we have announced an expansion of our agreement with DAZN to broadcast F1 in Spain in an attractive deal until the end of 2026, a market with strong growth in TV viewership this season. TV Pro and access subscribers are continuing to grow and provide a tailwind to our media rights revenue. On sponsorship, our recently announced new multi-year regional partnership with American Express welcomed them as official payment partners for the F1 in the Americas and for Las Vegas Grand Prix.
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[Analyst]: Card members will have special benefits and access across F1 races in the Americas, including presale tickets and curated on-site benefits. We were also thrilled to renew our agreement with Pirelli and Liqui Moly. Pirelli will remain F1 Global Tire Partner until 2027, securing their place as a longstanding supplier to Formula One. Liqui Moly will also continue as an official partner under a multi-year renewal. Overall, demand and interest from sponsors continue to be strong given the growth in our brand and the opportunity to align with F1 sustainability initiatives. We continue to have meaningful success in securing new and renewed sponsors, and we are confident in our upcoming pipeline. All eyes are now on Las Vegas as we count down to the Grand Prix weekend.
Stefano Domenicali: Card members will have special benefits and access across F1 races in the Americas, including presale tickets and curated on-site benefits. We were also thrilled to renew our agreement with Pirelli and Liqui Moly. Pirelli will remain F1 Global Tire Partner until 2027, securing their place as a longstanding supplier to Formula One. Liqui Moly will also continue as an official partner under a multi-year renewal. Overall, demand and interest from sponsors continue to be strong given the growth in our brand and the opportunity to align with F1 sustainability initiatives. We continue to have meaningful success in securing new and renewed sponsors, and we are confident in our upcoming pipeline. All eyes are now on Las Vegas as we count down to the Grand Prix weekend.
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[Analyst]: While the race itself will be a spectacle, it has also generated exciting noise that benefits the entire F1 ecosystem through the increased commercial interest, fan awareness, and broader brand value. The fan experience will be unparalleled. The team has continued to invest in creative offerings for its fans, including announcements with the Wynn Grid Club, first of its kind membership program that will debut in Las Vegas Grand Prix. The program is designed for the F1 enthusiasts and will provide members with an unparalleled hospitality experience, including exclusive access to locations within the pit building, bespoke services, and incredible cuisine. Members will also enjoy year-round benefits at traditional F1 races and services throughout all of our Wynn properties.
Stefano Domenicali: While the race itself will be a spectacle, it has also generated exciting noise that benefits the entire F1 ecosystem through the increased commercial interest, fan awareness, and broader brand value. The fan experience will be unparalleled. The team has continued to invest in creative offerings for its fans, including announcements with the Wynn Grid Club, first of its kind membership program that will debut in Las Vegas Grand Prix. The program is designed for the F1 enthusiasts and will provide members with an unparalleled hospitality experience, including exclusive access to locations within the pit building, bespoke services, and incredible cuisine. Members will also enjoy year-round benefits at traditional F1 races and services throughout all of our Wynn properties.
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[Analyst]: As part of our partnership with the brand new Sphere, we will be taking over the ExoSphere from Wednesday to Sunday of race weekend to display a combination of unique partners' F1 and Las Vegas Grand Prix content. The team in Las Vegas, led by Renee Wilm, has recently secured a number of new partnerships in addition to the previously mentioned American Express deal. With the agreements announced this quarter, the Las Vegas Grand Prix has now secured over 20 partnerships to date for the marquee event. We are committed to racing in Las Vegas in the long term. The total local economic benefit of the Grand Prix this year is expected to reach over $1.2 billion, which includes the direct spend from F1 to put on the race, the incremental spend by visitors, and the impact on local suppliers and businesses.
Stefano Domenicali: As part of our partnership with the brand new Sphere, we will be taking over the ExoSphere from Wednesday to Sunday of race weekend to display a combination of unique partners' F1 and Las Vegas Grand Prix content. The team in Las Vegas, led by Renee Wilm, has recently secured a number of new partnerships in addition to the previously mentioned American Express deal. With the agreements announced this quarter, the Las Vegas Grand Prix has now secured over 20 partnerships to date for the marquee event. We are committed to racing in Las Vegas in the long term. The total local economic benefit of the Grand Prix this year is expected to reach over $1.2 billion, which includes the direct spend from F1 to put on the race, the incremental spend by visitors, and the impact on local suppliers and businesses.
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[Analyst]: In addition, the Las Vegas Grand Prix will generate estimated $25 million that will be allocated to K-12 public schools and is developing a STEM program that will be implemented in the Clark County School District in the coming years. Perhaps a future F1 engineer will be born out of this. Finally, F1 continues to progress our sustainability, diversity, and inclusion efforts. F1 Academy completed its debut season in Austin last month. Congratulations to Marta García on her victory. And as we promised, she has now secured a fully-funded seat with Prema Racing in the FRECA series, underlining our determination to ensure the best in the Academy series move upwards through the system. The F1 Academy final finale was broadcast live in over 100 territories, marking a significant extension of coverage.
Stefano Domenicali: In addition, the Las Vegas Grand Prix will generate estimated $25 million that will be allocated to K-12 public schools and is developing a STEM program that will be implemented in the Clark County School District in the coming years. Perhaps a future F1 engineer will be born out of this. Finally, F1 continues to progress our sustainability, diversity, and inclusion efforts. F1 Academy completed its debut season in Austin last month. Congratulations to Marta García on her victory. And as we promised, she has now secured a fully-funded seat with Prema Racing in the FRECA series, underlining our determination to ensure the best in the Academy series move upwards through the system. The F1 Academy final finale was broadcast live in over 100 territories, marking a significant extension of coverage.
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[Analyst]: This demonstrates the support of our broadcast partners and their commitment in bringing F1 Academy to both existing and new generation F1 fans who can be inspired by this incredible racing talent. Additionally, our ambition affords the development of 100% advanced sustainable fuel at advancing well. Just last week, our partner Aramco announced that they will start operating 2 plants to produce synthetic fuel by 2025. Our partnership with DHL to use biofuel trucks across the European leg of the season was highly successful. They reduced emissions by an average of 83% compared to the diesel-driven trucks. The use of biofuel will continue into 2024 and beyond. And we are excited about the insight we are gaining this year as we explore further opportunities in the connection with DHL. We have only 3 races left in the record-breaking season.
Stefano Domenicali: This demonstrates the support of our broadcast partners and their commitment in bringing F1 Academy to both existing and new generation F1 fans who can be inspired by this incredible racing talent. Additionally, our ambition affords the development of 100% advanced sustainable fuel at advancing well. Just last week, our partner Aramco announced that they will start operating 2 plants to produce synthetic fuel by 2025. Our partnership with DHL to use biofuel trucks across the European leg of the season was highly successful. They reduced emissions by an average of 83% compared to the diesel-driven trucks. The use of biofuel will continue into 2024 and beyond. And we are excited about the insight we are gaining this year as we explore further opportunities in the connection with DHL. We have only 3 races left in the record-breaking season.
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[Analyst]: I want to thank our F1 family, FIA, fans, teams, partners, and shareholders for all of their support and enthusiasm this season. Our on-track excitement isn't done yet, with the battle for Constructors' standing outside of first place likely to come down to the last round of racing. We hope you tune in to Brazil this weekend before we make our way to the inaugural Las Vegas Grand Prix and then wrap the season in Abu Dhabi. I look forward to providing additional updates at Liberty's Investors' Day next week. Avanti tutta, full speed ahead. And now, I will turn the call back over to Greg. Thank you. Ciao. Ciao, Stefano. And thank you, Stefano and Brian. Some of you may have seen our release that Albert Rosenthaler is retiring after 20 years at Liberty.
Stefano Domenicali: I want to thank our F1 family, FIA, fans, teams, partners, and shareholders for all of their support and enthusiasm this season. Our on-track excitement isn't done yet, with the battle for Constructors' standing outside of first place likely to come down to the last round of racing. We hope you tune in to Brazil this weekend before we make our way to the inaugural Las Vegas Grand Prix and then wrap the season in Abu Dhabi. I look forward to providing additional updates at Liberty's Investors' Day next week. Avanti tutta, full speed ahead. And now, I will turn the call back over to Greg.
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I look forward to providing additional updates at Liberty's Investor Day next week Avanti to full speed ahead, and now I will turn the call back over to Greg. Thank you Joe.
Stefano Domenicali: Thank you. Ciao.
Greg Maffei: Ciao, Stefano. And thank you, Stefano and Brian. Some of you may have seen our release that Albert Rosenthaler is retiring after 20 years at Liberty.
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Some of you may have seen a release that Albert Rosenthal, who is retiring after 20 years at Liberty.
[Analyst]: Many of you know who Albert is and how much value he's added for our shareholders. Most recently, he served as Chief Corporate Development Officer. Previously, he was Head of Tax, and he never really relinquished that, as we know. Fortunately, he will remain a senior advisor. We do have a deep bench of talent both on the corporate development and tax teams and will continue to grow in those areas. But I'm pleased that Albert will work with them and me to drive future investment opportunities and our tax strategies. We look forward to seeing many of you at our annual Investor Day on Thursday, 9 November, in New York. Additional information is available on our website. John Malone and I will be hosting our annual Q&A session. If you would like to submit questions in advance, you can email investor day@libertymedia.com.
Greg Maffei: Many of you know who Albert is and how much value he's added for our shareholders. Most recently, he served as Chief Corporate Development Officer. Previously, he was Head of Tax, and he never really relinquished that, as we know. Fortunately, he will remain a senior advisor. We do have a deep bench of talent both on the corporate development and tax teams and will continue to grow in those areas. But I'm pleased that Albert will work with them and me to drive future investment opportunities and our tax strategies. We look forward to seeing many of you at our annual Investor Day on Thursday, 9 November, in New York. Additional information is available on our website. John Malone and I will be hosting our annual Q&A session. If you would like to submit questions in advance, you can email investor day@libertymedia.com.
Many of you know who Albert is and how much value. He has added for our shareholders.
Most recently he served as Chief Corporate Development Officer previously he was head of tax and he never really relinquish that as we know Fortunately he will remain a senior adviser we do have a deep bench of talent both on the corporate development and tax teams.
And we will continue to grow in those areas, but I'm pleased that they Albert will work with them and me.
To drive future investment opportunities and our tax strategies.
We look forward to seeing many of you at our annual Investor Day on Thursday November 19 in New York additional information is available on our website.
John Malone, and I will be hosting our annual Q&A session. If you would like to submit questions. In advance you can email investor day at Liberty Media Dot com.
[Analyst]: None of the questions can ask if they will be about comedy. We do appreciate your continued interest in Liberty Media and the Atlanta Braves Holdings. With that, operator, we will open the line for questions. Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from the line of David Karnovsky with J.P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question. Hey. Thanks for the question.
Greg Maffei: None of the questions can ask if they will be about comedy. We do appreciate your continued interest in Liberty Media and the Atlanta Braves Holdings. With that, operator, we will open the line for questions.
No other questions can ask if there will be about comedy.
We do appreciate your continued interest in Liberty media and the Atlanta Braves Holdings.
And with that operator.
We will open the line for questions.
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Our first question comes from the line of David Karnofsky with J P. Morgan. Please proceed with your question.
David Karnovsky: Hey. Thanks for the question.
Alright, Thanks for the question Hum Formula one payments our team payments year to date, if we look at the implied figure for the full year I think it's down a bit relative to where it was in August Greg you noted significant launch and nonrecurring costs related to Vegas. So wanted to see if you've adjusted your expectation for the economics of the race in the first year.
[Analyst]: On Formula One payments or team payments year to date, if we look at the implied figure for the full year, I think it's down a bit relative to where it was in August. Greg, you noted significant launch and non-recurring costs related to Vegas. So I wanted to see if you've adjusted your expectation for the economics of the race in the first year. I'm going to comment a little on Vegas, and then I'll let Brian reiterate some of his comments or hopefully clarity about how those payouts, team payouts, can be misleading if looked at just on a quarterly basis. On the first point, yeah, I think Vegas is proving to be a bigger spectacle and more impactful than we had anticipated. But there also have proven to be initial startup costs. I outlined some of them: increased security, one-time things like the opening day ceremony.
David Karnovsky: On Formula One payments or team payments year to date, if we look at the implied figure for the full year, I think it's down a bit relative to where it was in August. Greg, you noted significant launch and non-recurring costs related to Vegas. So I wanted to see if you've adjusted your expectation for the economics of the race in the first year.
Greg Maffei: I'm going to comment a little on Vegas, and then I'll let Brian reiterate some of his comments or hopefully clarity about how those payouts, team payouts, can be misleading if looked at just on a quarterly basis. On the first point, yeah, I think Vegas is proving to be a bigger spectacle and more impactful than we had anticipated. But there also have proven to be initial startup costs. I outlined some of them: increased security, one-time things like the opening day ceremony.
I'm going to comment a little on Vegas, and then I'll let.
Brian reiterate some of his comments or hopefully clarity about how those payouts team payouts.
Can be misleading if looked at just on a quarterly basis.
On the first point, Yeah, I think Vegas is proving to be a bigger spectacle and more impactful than we had anticipated, but theyre also have proven to be initial startup costs I outlined some of them are increased security.
One time things like the opened a ceremony, but there are other ones like consultants that help us set it up.
[Analyst]: But there were other ones like consultants that helped us set it up, permitting costs that were unusual, and the like. So there are a bunch of initial costs that are probably higher than we had originally estimated. I remain very bullish. We remain very bullish on, as I said, the impact of Formula One overall by Las Vegas and the potential for this race to be a profitable exercise itself. Yeah. And just year to date, we're running at 64.6. As you rightly pointed out, you can see an implied decline in the overall team payment for the year. But those are covered by what Greg noted. But Q2 and Q3 tend to have a higher percentage team payment than what we typically see for the full year just because of that higher mix of the European races that have lower economics versus the flyaways.
Greg Maffei: But there were other ones like consultants that helped us set it up, permitting costs that were unusual, and the like. So there are a bunch of initial costs that are probably higher than we had originally estimated. I remain very bullish. We remain very bullish on, as I said, the impact of Formula One overall by Las Vegas and the potential for this race to be a profitable exercise itself.
Permanent cost there were unusual and the like so there are a bunch of initial costs that are probably higher than we had originally estimated.
I remain very bullish we remained very bullish on as I said the impact of Formula one overall.
By Las Vegas, and the potential for this race to be a profitable exercise itself.
Brian Wendling: Yeah. And just year to date, we're running at 64.6. As you rightly pointed out, you can see an implied decline in the overall team payment for the year. But those are covered by what Greg noted. But Q2 and Q3 tend to have a higher percentage team payment than what we typically see for the full year just because of that higher mix of the European races that have lower economics versus the flyaways.
Yeah, and just you know year to date, we're running at 64.6, you know as you rightly noted out.
You can see you can see it imply a decline in the overall you're paying for the year, but those are covered by what Greg noted, but Q2 and Q3 tend to have a higher percentage.
Teen payment than what we typically see for the full year, just because of that higher mix.
The European races that have lower economics first flyways, so to say another way as we come into some of the races that are have higher revenue one might expect that the payout ratio will be higher payoffs the team's buddy.
[Analyst]: So to say another way, as we come into some of the races that have higher revenue, one might expect that the payout ratio will be higher payouts to the teams but a lower percentage overall so that this quarter may not be indicative of the full-year number. That help? Okay. Yeah. And just sticking with Vegas for a second, it looks like there is a possibility of a labor strike next week at the hotels. Obviously, this could resolve before the race. But how are you thinking about the potential impact should a work stoppage go through? We have worked with the unions, and I believe our race will not be impacted directly. We are obviously watching what impact that may have on the overall Las Vegas market. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes on the line of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley.
Brian Wendling: So to say another way, as we come into some of the races that have higher revenue, one might expect that the payout ratio will be higher payouts to the teams but a lower percentage overall so that this quarter may not be indicative of the full-year number. That help?
Lower percentage overall, so that this quarters may not be indicative of full year number.
Okay.
David Karnovsky: Okay. Yeah. And just sticking with Vegas for a second, it looks like there is a possibility of a labor strike next week at the hotels. Obviously, this could resolve before the race. But how are you thinking about the potential impact should a work stoppage go through?
Okay that helps.
Yeah, and just sticking with Vegas for a second it looks like there was a possibility of a labor strike next week at the hotels, obviously this could resolve before the race, but how are you thinking about the potential impact should have a work stoppage go through.
Greg Maffei: We have worked with the unions, and I believe our race will not be impacted directly. We are obviously watching what impact that may have on the overall Las Vegas market.
We have worked with the unions and I believe our grace will not be impacted directly we are obviously watching what impact that may have on the overall Las Vegas market.
David Karnovsky: Thank you.
Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes on the line of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
[Analyst]: Please proceed with your question. Thanks. Good morning. Congratulations to Albert and, I guess, the IRS. Oh, he's not quite done yet. Thank goodness we're going to keep him around so I don't have to say goodbye to him yet. But go ahead, Ben. Sorry. No problem. Greg, just to put a finer point on it because I think people want to know, are you guys still expecting this sort of approaching $500 million of revenue and race weekend that'll be within the top five pre-COVID type numbers? Or are you changing that perspective today? A couple of thoughts. I think those revenue numbers approaching that are still a reasonable estimate. On profitability, I think I noted we've seen some one-time and startup costs that may have been larger than anticipated.
Operator: Please proceed with your question.
Benjamin Swinburne: Thanks. Good morning. Congratulations to Albert and, I guess, the IRS.
Thanks, Good morning.
Congratulations to Albert.
And I guess the I R S.
Greg Maffei: Oh, he's not quite done yet. Thank goodness we're going to keep him around so I don't have to say goodbye to him yet. But go ahead, Ben. Sorry.
[laughter] Oh, he's not he's not quite done yet we're kind of thank goodness, we're gonna kit keep them around so I'd have to say goodbye to him yet but go ahead I'm sorry.
Benjamin Swinburne: No problem. Greg, just to put a finer point on it because I think people want to know, are you guys still expecting this sort of approaching $500 million of revenue and race weekend that'll be within the top five pre-COVID type numbers? Or are you changing that perspective today?
No problem.
Greg just to put a finer point on it I think people want to know are you guys still expecting you know, there's sort of approaching $500 million of revenue and tough.
Race weekend that'll be.
Is within the top five freezing EBITDA type numbers or are you changing that perspective today.
Greg Maffei: A couple of thoughts. I think those revenue numbers approaching that are still a reasonable estimate. On profitability, I think I noted we've seen some one-time and startup costs that may have been larger than anticipated.
Yeah.
A couple of thoughts I think.
Those revenue numbers approaching that's still a reasonable estimate.
On profitability I think I noted you know we've seen.
Some one time and start up costs that may have been larger than anticipated.
[Analyst]: But remembering how this is impactful to us, not only directly but indirectly, this is a very profitable race for us. As far as being measured as a top five, obviously, we don't tell the world what the top five are. But we have noted that this one will have that impact. I still think that's true, particularly when you look at the bottom line for Q1. It will have that impact overall. And I think that we will see that profitability, as I noted, once we get past some of these initial startup costs and we optimize. It will increase. Let's be clear. This year, we optimized for being there, being on time, and having a great race. That's not to say we won't have some of that objectives next year. But I think we'll be able to optimize on other variables as well and increase profitability. Okay.
Greg Maffei: But remembering how this is impactful to us, not only directly but indirectly, this is a very profitable race for us. As far as being measured as a top five, obviously, we don't tell the world what the top five are. But we have noted that this one will have that impact. I still think that's true, particularly when you look at the bottom line for Q1. It will have that impact overall. And I think that we will see that profitability, as I noted, once we get past some of these initial startup costs and we optimize. It will increase. Let's be clear. This year, we optimized for being there, being on time, and having a great race. That's not to say we won't have some of that objectives next year. But I think we'll be able to optimize on other variables as well and increase profitability.
Remembering.
How this is impactful to us not only directly but indirectly a this is a very profitable race for us.
As far as being measured as a top five obviously, we don't tell the world what the top five are but we have noted that this one will have that impact I still think that's true, particularly when you look at the bottom line for fun.
I'll have that impact overall, and I think that.
We will see that profitability as I noted once we get past some of these initial startup costs will and we optimize.
It will increase let's be clear this year, we optimized for being there being on time and having a great race.
That's not to say, we won't have some of that objectives next year, but I think we'll be able to optimize on other variables as well and increased profitability.
Benjamin Swinburne: Okay.
Okay. Thank you and then you made a comment Greg at a conference recently I think acknowledging that kind of post the Disney the charter thing and just higher interest rates in the world. We're in.
[Analyst]: Thank you. And then you made a comment, Greg, at a conference recently, I think, acknowledging that kind of post the Disney, the Charter thing, and just higher interest rates in the world we're in, sports rights inflation are probably going to be impacted. You guys just announced this DAZN deal. There was the Apple story out there that you probably won't comment on. But can you just give us your perspective on what the market feels like right now for sports rights as a seller and whether the DAZN deal is an indication of the direction ahead as we think about forecasting your businesses that are in the sports business? Thank you. There are really a couple of variables here. I mean, if you're a fully distributed and more stable sports property, there are certainly trends about fragmentation of the market and overall pricing that might give you pause.
Benjamin Swinburne: Thank you. And then you made a comment, Greg, at a conference recently, I think, acknowledging that kind of post the Disney, the Charter thing, and just higher interest rates in the world we're in, sports rights inflation are probably going to be impacted. You guys just announced this DAZN deal. There was the Apple story out there that you probably won't comment on. But can you just give us your perspective on what the market feels like right now for sports rights as a seller and whether the DAZN deal is an indication of the direction ahead as we think about forecasting your businesses that are in the sports business? Thank you.
Sports rights inflation are probably going to be impacted you guys. Just announced this zone deal. There was the Apple story out there that you probably won't comment on but can you guys can you just give us your.
Perspective on what the market feels like right now for sports rights as a seller and whether the <unk> deal as an indication of.
The direction ahead, as we think about forecasting your business your businesses that are in the sports business. Thank you.
Greg Maffei: There are really a couple of variables here. I mean, if you're a fully distributed and more stable sports property, there are certainly trends about fragmentation of the market and overall pricing that might give you pause.
There are really a couple of variables here I mean, if your.
A fully distributed and more stable a sports property. There are certainly trends about fragmentation of the market and overall pricing that might give you pause.
[Analyst]: Nonetheless, we've seen pretty good increases at some properties. We're in somewhat of a different position. And I think, Ben, you're focused rightly on the US, where we're still relatively nascent, and our product is gaining traction, and our audiences are growing dramatically. So I think I feel very comfortable with the F1 renewals much more than I do with the overall market. There are a lot of factors in the overall market we know well: the fragmentation, defined scale. And if you're a property trying to decide between how you get paid and reach, and that is always a challenge to be managed, that will be made more difficult with the fragmentation in the market.
Greg Maffei: Nonetheless, we've seen pretty good increases at some properties. We're in somewhat of a different position. And I think, Ben, you're focused rightly on the US, where we're still relatively nascent, and our product is gaining traction, and our audiences are growing dramatically. So I think I feel very comfortable with the F1 renewals much more than I do with the overall market. There are a lot of factors in the overall market we know well: the fragmentation, defined scale. And if you're a property trying to decide between how you get paid and reach, and that is always a challenge to be managed, that will be made more difficult with the fragmentation in the market.
Nonetheless, you know we've seen pretty good increases at some properties. We're in somewhat of a different position and I think Ben your focus rightly on the U S, where we're still relatively nascent.
And our product is gaining traction and our audiences are growing.
Dramatically, so I think I feel very comfortable with the F. One.
Our renewals.
Much more than I do with the overall market. There are a lot of factors in the overall market you know well the fragmentation.
To find scale and if you have a property in trying to decide between how you get paid in reach and that is always a challenge to be managed that'll be made more difficult with the fragmentation in the market.
[Analyst]: But on the other side, things like the SAG strike, things like the continued increase in cost of scripted content do make sports still a very desirable place to be and a place where scale can be reached. So there are a bunch of countervailing trends that make me cautious on the whole market but still very bullish on F1. Is Europe tougher than the US? How would you compare those? I think the reality is most of the trends that are negative are further along in the US than in Europe. But a lot of cases, Ben, as you know, how sports rates get bid largely a function of which distributor in the market needs the product or wants the product. And it could be a market where there are multiple bidders you're going to do very well, and where there are fewer bidders you will do less well.
Greg Maffei: But on the other side, things like the SAG strike, things like the continued increase in cost of scripted content do make sports still a very desirable place to be and a place where scale can be reached. So there are a bunch of countervailing trends that make me cautious on the whole market but still very bullish on F1. Is Europe tougher than the US? How would you compare those? I think the reality is most of the trends that are negative are further along in the US than in Europe. But a lot of cases, Ben, as you know, how sports rates get bid largely a function of which distributor in the market needs the product or wants the product. And it could be a market where there are multiple bidders you're going to do very well, and where there are fewer bidders you will do less well.
But are you there on the other side you know.
Things like the Sag strike things like the continued increase in cost of scripted content do make sports still a very desirable place to be in a place where scale can be reached so you know there are a bunch of countervailing trends that are make me matzo met on the whole market, but still very bullish.
On F. One.
Is Europe tougher than the U S. How would you compare those.
I I think the reality is most of the trends that are negative or further along in the U S and in Europe.
Okay, but a lot of cases, Ben as you know they how what sports rates get bid largely a function of which distributor in the market needs the product or once the product and it could be you know a.
A market, where there are multiple bidders youre going to do very well and where there are fewer bidders you will do less well than that may almost be unrelated to what is going on in the market in that particular geography.
[Analyst]: That may almost be unrelated to what is going on in the market in that particular geography. Right. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Kraft with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question. Good morning. I guess I wanted to ask a couple, if I could. Greg, what do you think the timeline will look like to reach an agreement with the Special Committee of Sirius, assuming you do reach one? And whether you choose to answer that question or not, I was wondering if you could maybe address the second one, which is, if you do reach an agreement, once that agreement's been reached, what would be the key milestones, and the probable timing to close the spin and merge? And then separately, I just want to ask you about Quint Events.
Greg Maffei: That may almost be unrelated to what is going on in the market in that particular geography.
Benjamin Swinburne: Right. Thanks so much.
Right.
Thanks, so much.
Greg Maffei: Thank you.
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Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bryan Kraft with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Bryan Kraft with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Bryan Kraft: Good morning. I guess I wanted to ask a couple, if I could. Greg, what do you think the timeline will look like to reach an agreement with the Special Committee of Sirius, assuming you do reach one? And whether you choose to answer that question or not, I was wondering if you could maybe address the second one, which is, if you do reach an agreement, once that agreement's been reached, what would be the key milestones, and the probable timing to close the spin and merge? And then separately, I just want to ask you about Quint Events.
Hi, good morning.
Yes, I wanted to ask a couple if I could Greg.
What do you think that timeline will look like to reach an agreement with the special committee of serious assuming you do reach one and whether you choose to answer that question or not I was wondering if you could maybe address the second one which is if you do reach an agreement once that agreement has been reached what would be the key milestones and the probable timing to close.
Is that the spin and merge.
And then separately I just wanted to ask you about coincidence. Once you close that acquisition are there significant advantages to have one from owning the asset or is it more of an opportunistic acquisition to pursue growth opportunities outside of that one thanks.
[Analyst]: Once you close that acquisition, are there significant advantages to F1 promoting the asset, or is it more of an opportunistic acquisition to pursue growth opportunities outside of F1? Thanks. Okay. It's a lot, Brian. All right. Let's start with, I already said I'm not going to comment further on the negotiations' timing or the like. If a deal is reached, I think it will require a shareholder vote, likely. The shareholder vote on the LSXM side, the structure on the SXM side, given our high equity ownership and the structure of how they work, their charter and bylaws, will be quicker. But there will also be the typical regulatory SEC matters and FCC matters that likely will have to be cleared. So I would still expect several months' delay even post any deal that is reached. On Quint, I think we're excited about Quint for many reasons.
Bryan Kraft: Once you close that acquisition, are there significant advantages to F1 promoting the asset, or is it more of an opportunistic acquisition to pursue growth opportunities outside of F1? Thanks.
Greg Maffei: Okay. It's a lot, Brian. All right. Let's start with, I already said I'm not going to comment further on the negotiations' timing or the like. If a deal is reached, I think it will require a shareholder vote, likely. The shareholder vote on the LSXM side, the structure on the SXM side, given our high equity ownership and the structure of how they work, their charter and bylaws, will be quicker. But there will also be the typical regulatory SEC matters and FCC matters that likely will have to be cleared. So I would still expect several months' delay even post any deal that is reached. On Quint, I think we're excited about Quint for many reasons.
Okay. That's a lot Brian alright, let's start with I already said I'm not going to comment on any further on.
The negotiations timing or the like if a deal is reached I think it will be require.
A shareholder vote likely the structure of the shareholder vote on the L. S X M side that the structure on the Essex EMS side, given our high equity ownership and the structure of how they work their charter and bylaws will be quicker, but there will also be the tip of the typical regulatory SEC.
Matters and FCC matters that likely would have to be cleared so I would still expect several months delay even post a any deal is reached.
Yeah.
On Quint.
Uh huh.
I think we're excited about quintin for many reasons and I'll, let either.
[Analyst]: I'll let either Stefano or Renee, who both have views, add it. But we're excited because of what it can do for us. One of the trends that we are pushing forward in Formula One is understanding our customers better and really having a direct connection. And so many things that we are doing, whether it be the app, Las Vegas, or Quint, allow us to better understand our customers and their needs and desires. And I think that's a continuing trend you will see that will add power to the F1 ecosystem and allow us to do much more. Quint is important because of how they touch those customers, are some of our best customers, and how we can utilize their talents to grow and our understanding of our existing customer base but also expand that customer base. The opportunity outside of F1 is also very interesting.
Greg Maffei: I'll let either Stefano or Renee, who both have views, add it. But we're excited because of what it can do for us. One of the trends that we are pushing forward in Formula One is understanding our customers better and really having a direct connection. And so many things that we are doing, whether it be the app, Las Vegas, or Quint, allow us to better understand our customers and their needs and desires. And I think that's a continuing trend you will see that will add power to the F1 ecosystem and allow us to do much more. Quint is important because of how they touch those customers, are some of our best customers, and how we can utilize their talents to grow and our understanding of our existing customer base but also expand that customer base. The opportunity outside of F1 is also very interesting.
Stefano or Rene who both have views added, but we're excited because of what it can do for us.
One of the trends that we are pushing forward in formula one is understanding our customers better and really having a direct connection and so many things that we're doing whether it be the app or Las Vegas, or quint allow us to better understand our customers and their needs and desires.
And I think that's a continuing trend you will see that will add power to the F. One ecosystem and allow us to do much more.
Quint is important because of how they touch those customers that some of our best customers and how we can utilize there their talents to grow in our understanding of our existing customer base, but also expand that customer base.
The opportunity outside of Epsilon is also very interesting I mentioned some of the places where they are at M. B a Churchill downs.
[Analyst]: I mentioned some of the places where they are at NBA, Churchill Downs. We think there are many sporting events, many live events that could benefit from Quint-type experiences. We think Liberty can be in a position potentially to help them reach out to some of those leagues and opportunities. So we're excited both for what it can do for F1 and what we can help do together, hopefully, in the outside world of sports. Stefano, do you want to add anything? No. I think, Greg, that you touch exactly the point, at least for Formula One for sure, the need of understanding better our customer. The growth of the request that we have all around the world, it's related to the experience.
Greg Maffei: I mentioned some of the places where they are at NBA, Churchill Downs. We think there are many sporting events, many live events that could benefit from Quint-type experiences. We think Liberty can be in a position potentially to help them reach out to some of those leagues and opportunities. So we're excited both for what it can do for F1 and what we can help do together, hopefully, in the outside world of sports. Stefano, do you want to add anything?
We think there are many sporting events, many live events that could benefit from Quint type experiences and we think liberty can be in a position potentially to help them reach out to some of those leagues and opportunities. So we're excited both for what it can do for F. One and.
And what we can help you together hopefully in the outside world of sports.
Stephan or do you want to add anything.
Stefano Domenicali: No. I think, Greg, that you touch exactly the point, at least for Formula One for sure, the need of understanding better our customer. The growth of the request that we have all around the world, it's related to the experience.
No I I think Greg that you touch accepted the point that at least for Formula one for sure they need of understanding better our customers and the growth of the requests that we have in all around the world. It makes it's related to the experience and that this acquisition will allow us to to talk with them better and to offer them better products and better things.
[Analyst]: And this acquisition will allow us to talk with them better and to offer them better products and better things that will enable them to be closer to our F1 world. Thanks to you both, Greg. If I could ask one follow-up just on the first one. I think you mentioned FCC as in Federal Communications Commission matters. I guess my understanding is there would be no HSR approval needed because you already have hard control. Is there an approval needed? How should we think about what the FCC's role would be? My understanding is that you want to Renee, you want to go? Yeah. No. I'm happy to. It would be very much a pro forma application process, likely done within 45 to 60 days is what we're expecting.
Stefano Domenicali: And this acquisition will allow us to talk with them better and to offer them better products and better things that will enable them to be closer to our F1 world.
That will be that will enable them to be closer to 12 O F. One world.
Bryan Kraft: Thanks to you both, Greg. If I could ask one follow-up just on the first one. I think you mentioned FCC as in Federal Communications Commission matters. I guess my understanding is there would be no HSR approval needed because you already have hard control. Is there an approval needed? How should we think about what the FCC's role would be?
Okay. Thanks to you both Greg if I could ask one follow up just on the on the first one I think you mentioned F. C C. As in Federal Communications Commission matters I.
I guess my understanding is there would be no HSR approval needed because you already have art control.
Is there is there an approval needed you know what what how should we think about what the FCC's draw would be.
Yeah.
Greg Maffei: My understanding is that you want to Renee, you want to go?
My understanding is is that we're not you want to go yeah, I know and I'm happy to it'd be very much a pro forma application process.
Renee Wilm: Yeah. No. I'm happy to. It would be very much a pro forma application process, likely done within 45 to 60 days is what we're expecting.
We done within 45 to 60 days is what we're expecting I think the longer pole in the terms will be the SEC review, which to Greg's point you take a few months, maybe four to six months.
[Analyst]: I think the longer pole in the tent will be the FCC review, which, to Greg's point, should take a few months, I think maybe 4 to 6 months, to get the entire thing done after we have an announcement. Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Jayant with Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Thanks. A question on the Las Vegas race. I'm assuming that the opco is paying the holding company as a promoter, given Liberty Media spent money on the track and the land, sort of a promotion fee. So when you talk about the profitability of the Vegas race, are you assuming that includes, arguably, that payment to the opco from the opco to the whole co? Or is it at the operating company that the profits you're sort of expecting from the race? Thanks.
Renee Wilm: I think the longer pole in the tent will be the FCC review, which, to Greg's point, should take a few months, I think maybe 4 to 6 months, to get the entire thing done after we have an announcement.
To get the entire thing done after we haven't announced it.
Bryan Kraft: Okay. Great. Thank you so much.
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Jayant with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vijay Jayant with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Vijay Jayant: Thanks. A question on the Las Vegas race. I'm assuming that the opco is paying the holding company as a promoter, given Liberty Media spent money on the track and the land, sort of a promotion fee. So when you talk about the profitability of the Vegas race, are you assuming that includes, arguably, that payment to the opco from the opco to the whole co? Or is it at the operating company that the profits you're sort of expecting from the race? Thanks.
Hi, Thanks, a question on the Las Vegas race, you know I'm, assuming that the Opco is paying the holding company as a promoter and Liberty media spend money on the track and the land instead of a promotion fees. So when Greg when you talk about the profitability of the Vegas.
Are you assuming that includes arguably that payment to the opco.
From a from the Opco to Holdco or is it at the operating company.
Profits are expecting from the race.
[Analyst]: Well, Vijay, you're correct that there is that relationship. I think we are talking about the totality but also, I think, over time, how the opco will be a very profitable race as well. So I think you can look at it both ways. And then just Stefano talked about the attendance to all these races. Can you sort of confirm that the Vegas race is sold out on ticketing? Stefano, I'm happy to take that one. Hi, Vijay. It's Renee. We have a handful of tickets left. And the demands coming in in the last minute, which knowing Vegas is a last-minute market, we did, in fact, hold tickets back for that purpose. So we are very excited, and we will be sold out by the time of the event. Great. Turn it.
Greg Maffei: Well, Vijay, you're correct that there is that relationship. I think we are talking about the totality but also, I think, over time, how the opco will be a very profitable race as well. So I think you can look at it both ways.
Well Vijay you are correct that there is that relationship.
I think we are talking about.
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Vijay Jayant: And then just Stefano talked about the attendance to all these races. Can you sort of confirm that the Vegas race is sold out on ticketing?
Yeah.
And then just Stefano you talked about you know the attendance at all of these ratios can you sort of confirm that the Vegas races sold out on ticketing.
Renee Wilm: Stefano, I'm happy to take that one. Hi, Vijay. It's Renee. We have a handful of tickets left. And the demands coming in in the last minute, which knowing Vegas is a last-minute market, we did, in fact, hold tickets back for that purpose. So we are very excited, and we will be sold out by the time of the event.
Oh, no I'm happy to take that one hi, D. J Rene we have a handful of tickets left and the demand coming in in the last minute, which knowing because at the last minute market. We didnt backed who will take it back for that purpose. So we are very excited and we will be sold out by the time of any of that.
Stefano Domenicali: Great. Turn it.
Right now a lot of Los Angeles book for Las Vegas, relatively late which as well.
[Analyst]: A lot of people from Los Angeles book for Las Vegas relatively late, which is part of our strategy. Great. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Laszczyk with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question. Hey. Great. Thank you for taking the questions. Maybe just a follow-up on the media rights strategy for F1, to the extent you'd be willing to add to Ben's question. I'd just be curious to better understand how you would think through the pros and cons of entering a longer-term exclusive global media rights deal with a single distributor, just curious to the extent you think the Formula One IP could be well-suited for that type of structure over the long term, and have a follow-up. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think we've tried to be consistent answering this.
Stefano Domenicali: A lot of people from Los Angeles book for Las Vegas relatively late, which is part of our strategy.
Part of our strategy.
Vijay Jayant: Great. Thanks.
Great. Thanks.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Laszczyk with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Okay.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven last sick with Goldman Sachs.
Please proceed with your question.
Stephen Laszczyk: Hey. Great. Thank you for taking the questions. Maybe just a follow-up on the media rights strategy for F1, to the extent you'd be willing to add to Ben's question. I'd just be curious to better understand how you would think through the pros and cons of entering a longer-term exclusive global media rights deal with a single distributor, just curious to the extent you think the Formula One IP could be well-suited for that type of structure over the long term, and have a follow-up. Thank you.
Hey, great. Thank you for taking the questions maybe just a follow up on the media strategy for F. One to the extent you'd be willing to add to bens question I'd just be curious to better understand how you think through the pros and cons of entering a longer term exclusive global media rights deal with a single distributor.
Just curious do you expect do you think the formula one IP could be well suited for that type of structure over the long term kind of a follow up thank you.
Greg Maffei: Yeah. Thanks for the question. I think we've tried to be consistent answering this.
Thanks for the question I think you know we've tried to be consistent answering this.
[Analyst]: There's always a trade-off between reach and profitability. There are relatively few, if any, distributors today who have the global reach that individual players do in their respective markets. So you'd be thinking hard about that trade-off. And you can see that in some markets where we've actually tried to play both sides of that, where some of it's on broadcast and some of it's on pay because we don't want to see all of our product behind a paywall, which is not widely distributed. So I don't have a comment other than, "You're always going to weigh that trade-off." And it depends on how we feel about the maturity of the business in each respective market. And the length of deal we're willing to cut, in many cases, is dependent on how far we are on that curve.
Greg Maffei: There's always a trade-off between reach and profitability. There are relatively few, if any, distributors today who have the global reach that individual players do in their respective markets. So you'd be thinking hard about that trade-off. And you can see that in some markets where we've actually tried to play both sides of that, where some of it's on broadcast and some of it's on pay because we don't want to see all of our product behind a paywall, which is not widely distributed. So I don't have a comment other than, "You're always going to weigh that trade-off." And it depends on how we feel about the maturity of the business in each respective market. And the length of deal we're willing to cut, in many cases, is dependent on how far we are on that curve.
There's always a trade off between reach and profitability.
There are relatively few if any distributors today, who have the global reach that individual players do in their respective markets. So there would be you'd be thinking hard about that trade off.
And you can see that in some markets, where we've actually tried to play both sides of that where they made some of it's on broadcast and some of it's on pay because we don't want to see all of our product.
Behind the paywall in it which is not widely distributed so that.
I don't have a comment other than you're always going to weigh that trade off and it depends.
It depends on what you know how we feel about the maturity of the business and in each respective market and the length of deal were willing to cut and in many cases is dependent on you know how far we are on that curve.
[Analyst]: I note, and we've noted before, in the US, we're fairly nascent. We've tried to keep a shorter-term deal, partly because we think we will do better as time goes on. In other markets where it's more mature, you're willing to talk about more stability. There is benefit, in many cases, for the distributor to have more stability because they will be able to make a greater investment in the product promotion, etc., if they know they have long-term. You weigh all those factors. If I may add, Greg, on that, correctly saying about this ratio between reach and profitability, the speed of this change is different from country to country, from region to region. This is really the reason why the media market today is quite complex.
Greg Maffei: I note, and we've noted before, in the US, we're fairly nascent. We've tried to keep a shorter-term deal, partly because we think we will do better as time goes on. In other markets where it's more mature, you're willing to talk about more stability. There is benefit, in many cases, for the distributor to have more stability because they will be able to make a greater investment in the product promotion, etc., if they know they have long-term. You weigh all those factors.
I would note we've noted before the U S. We're fairly nascent we tried to keep a shorter term deal partly because we think we will do better as time goes on.
In other markets, where it's more mature you're willing to talk about more stability and there was benefit in many cases for the distributor to have more stability because they will be able to make a greater investment in the product promotion et cetera. If they know they have long term. So you weigh all those factors.
Brian Wendling: If I may add, Greg, on that, correctly saying about this ratio between reach and profitability, the speed of this change is different from country to country, from region to region. This is really the reason why the media market today is quite complex.
And if I may add the correct on that to you know correctly, saying that how about this ratio between.
Reaching profitability. This people. These change is decent from country to country from region to region and this is really the reason why the media market today is quite culpas, but we do believe that with the mix that we have we would take the advantage of this strategy are put in place today that we are very confident about.
[Analyst]: But we do believe that with the mix that we have, we will take the advantage of the strategy that we put in place today. We are very confident about it. Got it. Thanks for that. And then maybe one on the sponsorship side. Could you talk a little bit more about the regional deal with American Express that you recently signed, maybe the value you saw in each other to bring this deal to the table, and if you think that could be a good template or framework for other payment providers or financial institutions on a more global basis? Thank you. I'll let Renee add.
Brian Wendling: But we do believe that with the mix that we have, we will take the advantage of the strategy that we put in place today. We are very confident about it.
Stephen Laszczyk: Got it. Thanks for that. And then maybe one on the sponsorship side. Could you talk a little bit more about the regional deal with American Express that you recently signed, maybe the value you saw in each other to bring this deal to the table, and if you think that could be a good template or framework for other payment providers or financial institutions on a more global basis? Thank you.
Got it thanks for that and then maybe one on the sponsorship side could you talk a little bit more about the the.
Original deal with American Express that you recently signed maybe the value you saw in each other how to bring this deal on the table and if you think that could be a good template our framework for other payment providers or financial institutions on a more global basis. Thank you.
Greg Maffei: I'll let Renee add.
I'll, let renee add but I would I would.
[Analyst]: But I would note that one of the reasons why Amex is unique is not only is it a great company, great brand, etc., with an audience and a customer base which fits very well with us, but also the case where, really, they came out on the regional basis because of the strength and wanting to be involved in Las Vegas. So it's a great example of Las Vegas leading us and broadening the base. It's also a case where, using our digital capabilities, we're going to be able to, for regional players, be able to show sponsorship capabilities and opportunities in a respective market or in a respective series of markets in a region because of those. Renee. So I would just add to that something Greg mentioned earlier around the importance of data management and understanding who our fan base is.
Greg Maffei: But I would note that one of the reasons why Amex is unique is not only is it a great company, great brand, etc., with an audience and a customer base which fits very well with us, but also the case where, really, they came out on the regional basis because of the strength and wanting to be involved in Las Vegas. So it's a great example of Las Vegas leading us and broadening the base. It's also a case where, using our digital capabilities, we're going to be able to, for regional players, be able to show sponsorship capabilities and opportunities in a respective market or in a respective series of markets in a region because of those. Renee.
Note.
But one of the reasons why Amex is unique is not only is a great company, great brand et cetera within audience, and a customer base, which fits very well with us but.
But it also the case, where it really they came out on the regional basis because of the strength in wanting to be in loss involved in Las Vegas was a great example of Las Vegas, leading us and broadening the base.
And it's also a case, where we're using our digital capabilities, we're gonna be able to for regional players to be able to show.
Sponsorship capabilities and opportunities in our respective market arent expect a series of markets in the region because of those Rene.
Renee Wilm: So I would just add to that something Greg mentioned earlier around the importance of data management and understanding who our fan base is.
So I would just add to that something Greg mentioned earlier around the importance of data management and understanding who our fan base is and being able to work with American express on their pre sale platform has really proven to not only help us move the hospitality early on but also to get more visibility into who our fans. So we think this is gonna be a great win across the board.
[Analyst]: And being able to work with American Express on their presale platform has really proven to not only help us move the hospitality early, but also to get more visibility into who our fans are. So we think this is going to be a great win across the board. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Cahall with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question. Yeah. Thanks for the question. Were these initial startup costs for Vegas fully captured in the increased CapEx guidance last quarter? And what are your expectations for recurring annual maintenance CapEx for the Grand Prix Vegas? Thank you. I think we are not changing anything we said about CapEx from what we said last quarter.
Renee Wilm: And being able to work with American Express on their presale platform has really proven to not only help us move the hospitality early, but also to get more visibility into who our fans are. So we think this is going to be a great win across the board.
Stephen Laszczyk: Thank you.
Thank you.
Greg Maffei: Thank you.
Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steven Cahall with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line of Steven Kwok, Although with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.
Steven Cahall: Yeah. Thanks for the question. Were these initial startup costs for Vegas fully captured in the increased CapEx guidance last quarter? And what are your expectations for recurring annual maintenance CapEx for the Grand Prix Vegas? Thank you.
Yeah. Thanks for the question, where these initial startup costs for Vegas fully captured in the increased Capex guidance last quarter and what are your expectations for recurring annual maintenance Capex for the grant P. Cranberry Vegas.
Greg Maffei: I think we are not changing anything we said about CapEx from what we said last quarter.
Yeah.
I think we are not changing anything we set about capex from what we said last quarter I think most of my comments were really directed at more opex and some of those costs that I mentioned like security like the.
[Analyst]: I think most of my comments were really directed at more OpEx and some of those costs that I mentioned, like security, like the opening ceremony, rather. I don't believe we are making any announcements today on CapEx. I would differentiate. There will potentially be. I don't think there's massive ongoing CapEx for maintenance. I'll make that statement. But there will be CapEx, potentially, for year-round activation as we come up with new opportunities to take advantage of the facility. We really have not captured or forecast that because we're still working on what that may look like. So we don't really have a number for you today or something to talk about because we are looking at a range of activation capabilities. And, candidly, we're focused on 18 November, so. Thanks, Greg. I appreciate that. If I can just ask one more to you and Stefano.
Greg Maffei: I think most of my comments were really directed at more OpEx and some of those costs that I mentioned, like security, like the opening ceremony, rather. I don't believe we are making any announcements today on CapEx. I would differentiate. There will potentially be. I don't think there's massive ongoing CapEx for maintenance. I'll make that statement. But there will be CapEx, potentially, for year-round activation as we come up with new opportunities to take advantage of the facility. We really have not captured or forecast that because we're still working on what that may look like. So we don't really have a number for you today or something to talk about because we are looking at a range of activation capabilities. And, candidly, we're focused on 18 November, so.
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I don't believe we are making any announcements today.
On Capex.
It would differentiate there.
There will potentially be I don't think theres massive ongoing capex for maintenance I'll make that statement, but there will be capex potentially for year round.
<unk> as we come up with new opportunities to take advantage of that facility and we really are not captured or forecast that because we're still working on what that may look like so we don't really have a number for you today or something to talk about because we are looking at a range of activation capabilities and candidly we're focused on November 18th.
Steven Cahall: Thanks, Greg. I appreciate that. If I can just ask one more to you and Stefano.
Thanks, Greg I appreciate that and if I can just ask one more suffered.
Stefano would you actually specify a proving and Draggy last month can you just give us any updates on your views with respect to adding an 11, 7% to the grid now how are you evaluating this and what are the potential gating items for you to get incrementally more inclined to granted mission or reject thank you.
[Analyst]: With the FIA approving Andretti last month, can you just give us any updates on your views with respect to adding an 11th team to the grid? How are you evaluating this? And what are the potential gating items for you to get incrementally more inclined to grant admission or reject? Thank you. I'll let Stefano answer that. Yep. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Steven. I mean, as you know, that is a process that is in place. So, as always, we don't have to give any anticipation. The FIA did its right role of doing its first assessment. Now, we're on the process of doing our assessment on the commercial marketing side. And as soon as this process will be finished, of course, we will inform everyone accordingly. First of all, of course, sharing this info in the first instance with the FIA. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Steven Cahall: With the FIA approving Andretti last month, can you just give us any updates on your views with respect to adding an 11th team to the grid? How are you evaluating this? And what are the potential gating items for you to get incrementally more inclined to grant admission or reject? Thank you.
Greg Maffei: I'll let Stefano answer that.
I'll, let Stefano answer that yeah.
Stefano Domenicali: Yep. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, Steven. I mean, as you know, that is a process that is in place. So, as always, we don't have to give any anticipation. The FIA did its right role of doing its first assessment. Now, we're on the process of doing our assessment on the commercial marketing side. And as soon as this process will be finished, of course, we will inform everyone accordingly. First of all, of course, sharing this info in the first instance with the FIA.
Okay. Thanks, Thanks, Steven I mean, as you know there is a process that is in place. So as always we don't have to give in anticipation of the S. A D. These write a rollover doing that you said first assessments now we ended up doing our assessment on the commercial and the magazine side on that as soon as these first of all the finished of course with lymphoma, everyone. Accordingly.
First of all of course sharing these aim for in the first instance, with the FAA.
Steven Cahall: Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Joyce with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
[Analyst]: Our next question comes from the line of David Joyce with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question. Thank you. I wanted to turn to the Liberty Live tracker. Just wondering what your opportunities and constraints are there. Conceptually, what might be some logical next steps for that? Might you buy a music venue that could allow you to spin that off in five years? Or might you do something like what you proposed to do with Sirius? And yes, given that you've got such a discount at that equity, would that be something of interest, you think, with Live Nation to combine, given that they've got a significant cash balance now? Thanks. Yeah. Thank you, David. I think our strategies around Liberty Live are evolving.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of David Joyce with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
David Joyce: Thank you. I wanted to turn to the Liberty Live tracker. Just wondering what your opportunities and constraints are there. Conceptually, what might be some logical next steps for that? Might you buy a music venue that could allow you to spin that off in five years? Or might you do something like what you proposed to do with Sirius? And yes, given that you've got such a discount at that equity, would that be something of interest, you think, with Live Nation to combine, given that they've got a significant cash balance now? Thanks.
Thank you I wanted to turn to the Liberty life track or just wondering what your opportunities and constraints are there conceptually what might be some logical next steps.
For the might you and body music venue that could allow you to spend that often five years or might you do something like what you proposed to do with serious and yes, and given that you've got such a discount if that equity would that be something of interest.
How do you think with live nation to combined given that they've got a significant cash balance now thanks.
Greg Maffei: Yeah. Thank you, David. I think our strategies around Liberty Live are evolving.
Thank you David I think.
Our strategies around Liberty Library evolving are we.
[Analyst]: We do look at it, as you've seen in the past, as something we'd be able to do, expand and grow, creating an ATB there so that we could potentially have a spin down the road. That's always something Liberty wants to maintain optionality around. But our first goal would probably be to build a strategy and maybe in conjunction with Live Nation around things that are incremental and additive that we could own that we think are positive, that could somewhere potentially be valuable to Live Nation as well. So no plan or intent today on any of the above. But we have ideas, and we're working through. Thanks. And second, if I could, on the Atlanta Braves, on the RSN side of the equation, that's significant revenue annually that's coming from the RSNs.
Greg Maffei: We do look at it, as you've seen in the past, as something we'd be able to do, expand and grow, creating an ATB there so that we could potentially have a spin down the road. That's always something Liberty wants to maintain optionality around. But our first goal would probably be to build a strategy and maybe in conjunction with Live Nation around things that are incremental and additive that we could own that we think are positive, that could somewhere potentially be valuable to Live Nation as well. So no plan or intent today on any of the above. But we have ideas, and we're working through.
Do you look at it is as you've seen in the past is something we've been able to do.
Expand and grow.
Creating an HEB there so that we could potentially have a spin down the road.
As always something Liberty wants to maintain maintain optionality around but our first goal would probably be too big.
Our strategies in and.
And maybe in conjunction with live nation around things that are incremental and additive that we could own there'll be we think are positive that could somewhere potentially be valuable to us.
To live nation as well so no plan or intent today on any of the above but where we have ideas and are working through.
David Joyce: Thanks. And second, if I could, on the Atlanta Braves, on the RSN side of the equation, that's significant revenue annually that's coming from the RSNs.
Thanks, and the second if I could on the.
The Atlanta Braves on the RSM side of the equation, that's a significant revenue.
The annually because it's coming from the or a sense of is there any update or any thoughts of how that could be replaced if needed either by.
[Analyst]: Is there any update or any thoughts of how that could be replaced, if needed, either by the league or your own capabilities? Yeah. Derek, do you want to handle that? Yeah. Sure. So, obviously, there's ongoing legal with this situation. So we don't want to go too far with what we can say on it. I think probably the best way to answer this is we are continuing to deliver what we are expected to do under the terms of our agreement. And up to this point in time, they expect that to continue. Yeah. Derek's way of being more cautious than I would.
David Joyce: Is there any update or any thoughts of how that could be replaced, if needed, either by the league or your own capabilities?
The league or your own capabilities.
Greg Maffei: Yeah. Derek, do you want to handle that?
Yes, Derek do you want to handle that.
Derek Chang: Yeah. Sure. So, obviously, there's ongoing legal with this situation. So we don't want to go too far with what we can say on it. I think probably the best way to answer this is we are continuing to deliver what we are expected to do under the terms of our agreement. And up to this point in time, they expect that to continue.
Yeah sure so.
Obviously, there's ongoing legal with the with the situations. So we don't want to go too far with what we can say on it I think probably the best way to answer this is <unk>.
We are continuing to deliver what we were expected to do under the terms of our agreement.
Up to this point in time they are.
Do you expect that to continue.
Greg Maffei: Yeah. Derek's way of being more cautious than I would.
Yeah, Derrick wave being more cautious and I would I think our understanding is this is among if not the most profitable of diamonds are S ends, reflecting the large territory, we have the high demand that Derek and his team have built around the Braves and the relatively.
[Analyst]: I think our understanding is this is among, if not the most profitable of Diamond's RSNs, reflecting the large territory we have, the high demand that Derek and his team have built around the Braves, and the relatively not the highest payment among RSN payments. This is a very profitable RSN. So I do not believe it would be rejected. But given the strength of the territory and the strength of the people's interest in the Braves, I do believe we could replace that revenue stream or a good portion of it, at least, with other alternatives. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Derek. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Bazinet with Citi. Please proceed with your question. I just had a question on Formula One.
Greg Maffei: I think our understanding is this is among, if not the most profitable of Diamond's RSNs, reflecting the large territory we have, the high demand that Derek and his team have built around the Braves, and the relatively not the highest payment among RSN payments. This is a very profitable RSN. So I do not believe it would be rejected. But given the strength of the territory and the strength of the people's interest in the Braves, I do believe we could replace that revenue stream or a good portion of it, at least, with other alternatives.
You know not the highest payment among the RSR payments. It is a very profitable our sense of I do not believe there'll be rejected but given the strength of the territory and the strength of the Braves People's interest and embrace I do believe we could replace that revenue stream or a good portion of it at least with other alternatives.
David Joyce: Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Derek.
Thanks, Greg Thanks Derek.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Bazinet with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Bazinet with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Jason Bazinet: I just had a question on Formula One.
I just had a question on the Formula One you guys have accomplished so much with this asset since you bought it.
[Analyst]: You guys have accomplished so much with this asset since you bought it, the Concorde Agreement, growing sponsorship, tweaking the calendar, increasing popularity of the sport. I would just be curious, over the next three to five years, other than getting to know your fan base better, which you mentioned, what do you think the top two or three opportunities that remain are? Look, I think we have three or four big revenue streams. I think all of them have upside, starting with broadcast. The increased interest in the sport globally, but particularly in the US, have given us an opportunity with a broader range of distributors and the increasing number of digital players who might enter the market. And as they get broader awareness, as sports players' willingness to go with them only increases. So you've seen examples like DAZN.
Jason Bazinet: You guys have accomplished so much with this asset since you bought it, the Concorde Agreement, growing sponsorship, tweaking the calendar, increasing popularity of the sport. I would just be curious, over the next three to five years, other than getting to know your fan base better, which you mentioned, what do you think the top two or three opportunities that remain are?
The concrete agreement growing sponsorship tweaking the calendar.
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The sport.
Just be curious over the next three to five years other than getting to know your fan base better, which you mentioned what do you think the top two or three opportunities that remain are.
Greg Maffei: Look, I think we have three or four big revenue streams. I think all of them have upside, starting with broadcast. The increased interest in the sport globally, but particularly in the US, have given us an opportunity with a broader range of distributors and the increasing number of digital players who might enter the market. And as they get broader awareness, as sports players' willingness to go with them only increases. So you've seen examples like DAZN.
Look I think.
We have three or four big revenue streams, and I think all of them have upside.
Starting with broadcast.
The increased interest in the sport.
Globally, but particularly in the U S have.
Given us an opportunity with a broader range of distributors and the increasing number of digital players who might enter the market and as they get broader awareness as sports players our willingness to go with them only increases.
So you've seen examples like the zone, you're seeing things like Netflix coming and doing something with us around.
[Analyst]: You're seeing things like Netflix coming and doing something with us around golf and Formula One. Admittedly, small but an interesting start. All those make us have opportunities there. In the races, yes, we are not going to increase the number of races, certainly at the pace, if at all, that we have. But in a perverse way, the fact that there's a limited supply and an increasing number of people who want a race, an increasing number of cities or venues that want a race, have allowed us, in many cases, to utilize that limited supply to play off, raise the requirements, raise our prices. And promoters are doing far better.
Greg Maffei: You're seeing things like Netflix coming and doing something with us around golf and Formula One. Admittedly, small but an interesting start. All those make us have opportunities there. In the races, yes, we are not going to increase the number of races, certainly at the pace, if at all, that we have. But in a perverse way, the fact that there's a limited supply and an increasing number of people who want a race, an increasing number of cities or venues that want a race, have allowed us, in many cases, to utilize that limited supply to play off, raise the requirements, raise our prices. And promoters are doing far better.
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And promoters are doing far better if you've seen for example, how many people showed up in Austin, how many people are showing up the increase in demand has made it so promoters or more profitable have more scale and we're able to extract more money from them not in the victim way that some people would call it but because it's a better business for them and there are other players who.
[Analyst]: If you've seen, for example, how many people showed up at Austin, how many people are showing up, the increasing demand has made it so promoters are more profitable, have more scale, and we're able to extract more money from them, not in the victim way that some people would call it, but because it's a better business for them. There are other players who want to bid if they don't want to play. In sponsorship, you're seeing us have grown that dramatically over the last several years. I think far more we can do. Amex is a great example. Moving from a world of just paint on the track to a digital experience to activation, part of that's, again, understanding our customers better. All of those, I think, have an opportunity. Then hospitality. Quint is a part of that.
Greg Maffei: If you've seen, for example, how many people showed up at Austin, how many people are showing up, the increasing demand has made it so promoters are more profitable, have more scale, and we're able to extract more money from them, not in the victim way that some people would call it, but because it's a better business for them. There are other players who want to bid if they don't want to play. In sponsorship, you're seeing us have grown that dramatically over the last several years. I think far more we can do. Amex is a great example. Moving from a world of just paint on the track to a digital experience to activation, part of that's, again, understanding our customers better. All of those, I think, have an opportunity. Then hospitality. Quint is a part of that.
If they don't want to play.
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And quint as a part of that what we're doing what we've been able to do increase the paddock club free.
[Analyst]: What we've been able to do, increase the Paddock Club, frankly, because of demand, how we've been able to increase prices at the Paddock Club, all those give us, I think, a range of opportunities in hospitality. So I think all four revenue streams are healthy and have upside. Stefano, what did I miss? I think that the list is already quite interesting and full. But, for sure, the concept that we have seen about Amex, the regionalization is another key factor of attracting new partners. And this will going to be our strategy. But we don't have to forget that two other areas, for sure, will be very important, is licensing and merchandising, where we just added a beginning of restructuring where we can really see potential of what we can do.
Greg Maffei: What we've been able to do, increase the Paddock Club, frankly, because of demand, how we've been able to increase prices at the Paddock Club, all those give us, I think, a range of opportunities in hospitality. So I think all four revenue streams are healthy and have upside. Stefano, what did I miss?
Frankly, because of demand how we've been able to increase prices at the Paddock club all of those give us I think range of opportunities in hospitality. So I think all four revenue streams are healthy and have upside it's definitely what did I Miss.
I think that are the least is already quite interested in food, but for sure you know the culture that we have seen about the amex did is regionalization.
Stefano Domenicali: I think that the list is already quite interesting and full. But, for sure, the concept that we have seen about Amex, the regionalization is another key factor of attracting new partners. And this will going to be our strategy. But we don't have to forget that two other areas, for sure, will be very important, is licensing and merchandising, where we just added a beginning of restructuring where we can really see potential of what we can do.
Our regionalization is another key factor of attracting new partners and these were going to be our strategy, but we don't that's forget that there's two other daddy, but for sure will be very important these licensing and merchandising where we just added a beginning of restructuring where we can really see potential of of what we can do I mean.
[Analyst]: I mean, we don't have to also underestimate the potential of being bigger on social and bigger on the awareness of the sport and being able to connect more and more with this new initiative with our fans. We will be able to provide services that, of course, will have a payback for us. So an incredible time in front of us. And that's the beauty of the sport that we are investing now, really believing in it. Thank you. I believe our last question. Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Barton Crockett with Rosenblatt Securities. Please proceed with your question. Okay. Thanks for getting me in here.
Stefano Domenicali: I mean, we don't have to also underestimate the potential of being bigger on social and bigger on the awareness of the sport and being able to connect more and more with this new initiative with our fans. We will be able to provide services that, of course, will have a payback for us. So an incredible time in front of us. And that's the beauty of the sport that we are investing now, really believing in it.
You don't have to also underestimate the potential of being bigger and on social and the and the beget on on the Alberta, the sport and being able to connect more and more with these new initiatives without wood fence, we will be able to provide services that of course, we'd have to pay back for that so I think had even more time in front of us and that's the beauty of this.
Part of that we are investing now really believing in it.
Greg Maffei: Thank you. I believe our last question.
Thank you.
I believe our last question.
Greg Maffei: Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Barton Crockett with Rosenblatt Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Barton Crockett with Rosenblatt Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Barton Crockett: Okay. Thanks for getting me in here.
Okay. Thanks for getting me on here.
[Analyst]: I was curious, Greg, about your thoughts about the opportunities for baseball overall to create a better streaming experience than the kind of fragmented circumstance that's developing right now with teams doing their own kind of local streaming, their own local broadcast. Do you think, over time, there should be some type of aggregation of the local team rights into a new streaming or an existing streaming platform to optimize kind of the experience from a market opportunity and from the consumer experience perspective? Do you think that should happen? Do you think it can happen? Could you guys play a role on that that creates value for your shareholders? I'll comment, then I'll let Derek add. Baseball was an innovator with MLB.com, everything back to Bob Bowman that they did with BAM Tech. Much of that has been accrued to the benefit.
Barton Crockett: I was curious, Greg, about your thoughts about the opportunities for baseball overall to create a better streaming experience than the kind of fragmented circumstance that's developing right now with teams doing their own kind of local streaming, their own local broadcast. Do you think, over time, there should be some type of aggregation of the local team rights into a new streaming or an existing streaming platform to optimize kind of the experience from a market opportunity and from the consumer experience perspective? Do you think that should happen? Do you think it can happen? Could you guys play a role on that that creates value for your shareholders?
I was curious Greg how about your thoughts about the.
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That should happen do you think it can't happen did you guys play a role on that that creates value for your shareholders.
Greg Maffei: I'll comment, then I'll let Derek add. Baseball was an innovator with MLB.com, everything back to Bob Bowman that they did with BAM Tech. Much of that has been accrued to the benefit.
I'll I'll comment then I'll let.
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Everything back to Bob Bowman that they did with Bam Tech.
And much of that has been accrued to the benefit and I think with the increased interest in the sport. This year are all to the good youre right that the local rights regime is complicated and and how that has been divided has made probably some innovation.
[Analyst]: I think, with the increased interest in the sport this year, all to the good. You're right that the local rights regime is complicated. And how that has been divided has made probably some innovation more difficult over time. We, at various times, have looked at that and potentially partnering with MLB to help on that. I think there are many plans out there being looked at, none has yet come to pass. But there surely is demand in the sport. Derek, what would you add? Yeah. Thanks, Greg. So what I would say, just on the macro level, not trying to get too far ahead of Major League Baseball or the commissioner's office in this, but you think about baseball and maybe even ahead of that, live sports content, still very much in demand regardless of all the changes and fragmentation that's happening in the marketplace.
Greg Maffei: I think, with the increased interest in the sport this year, all to the good. You're right that the local rights regime is complicated. And how that has been divided has made probably some innovation more difficult over time. We, at various times, have looked at that and potentially partnering with MLB to help on that. I think there are many plans out there being looked at, none has yet come to pass. But there surely is demand in the sport. Derek, what would you add?
More difficult over time, we at various times have looked at that and potentially partnering with the MLP to help on that.
There are many plans out there being looked at non is yet to come to pass, but there surely is demand in the sport Derek what would you add.
Derek Chang: Yeah. Thanks, Greg. So what I would say, just on the macro level, not trying to get too far ahead of Major League Baseball or the commissioner's office in this, but you think about baseball and maybe even ahead of that, live sports content, still very much in demand regardless of all the changes and fragmentation that's happening in the marketplace.
Yeah. Thanks, Craig So what I would say just on the macro level not trying to get too far ahead of major league baseball or the Commissioner's office in this but.
You know you think about baseball and maybe even ahead of that live sports content still very much in demand regardless of all the changes in fragmentation that's happening in the marketplace. So I think being in the live sports content business is certainly.
[Analyst]: So I think being in the live sports content business is certainly a very good thing. And then, to baseball specifically, you've got 162 games. So there's an enormous amount of that content. The sport is extremely popular, as Greg mentioned, selling 70 million tickets this year and just all the other factors. So I think, from a macro perspective, the sport is very healthy and has great opportunity. And looking at it from just the Braves lens, a little bit to Greg's earlier comments, we have a very large marketplace. We are significantly advantaged in that marketplace, especially against a lot of our peer sets. And so there's a lot of opportunity. And that disruption might happen. But, at the same time, I think the opportunity for us and for the broader sport is certainly there. Great. Thank you. Thank you all for your interest in Liberty Media.
Derek Chang: So I think being in the live sports content business is certainly a very good thing. And then, to baseball specifically, you've got 162 games. So there's an enormous amount of that content. The sport is extremely popular, as Greg mentioned, selling 70 million tickets this year and just all the other factors. So I think, from a macro perspective, the sport is very healthy and has great opportunity. And looking at it from just the Braves lens, a little bit to Greg's earlier comments, we have a very large marketplace. We are significantly advantaged in that marketplace, especially against a lot of our peer sets. And so there's a lot of opportunity. And that disruption might happen. But, at the same time, I think the opportunity for us and for the broader sport is certainly there.
A very good thing and then.
To baseball specifically you know you've got 162 games.
So there's an enormous amount of that content.
The sport is extremely popular is as Greg mentioned, selling 70 million tickets this year and just all the other doctors. So I think from a from a macro perspective. The sport is is very healthy and has great opportunity.
And you know looking at it from just the Braves lens, a little bit to Greg's earlier comments. We have you know a very large marketplace, we or are significantly advantaged in that marketplace, especially against a lot of our peer sets and so theres a lot of opportunity.
The disruption might happen, but at the same time I think the opportunity for us and for the broader sport is certainly there.
Barton Crockett: Great. Thank you.
Okay.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Greg Maffei: Thank you all for your interest in Liberty Media.
Thank you all for your interest in Liberty Media I think that was our last question, we look forward to seeing and the Atlanta Braves don't mean to slight the.
[Analyst]: I think that was our last question. We look forward to seeing you and the Atlanta Braves. Don't mean to slight our Braves friends. I'm so used to being part of the family. I don't have to call them out separately. Thank you for your interest. As I said, we look forward to seeing many of you next week in New York and, if not, on our next earnings call. Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may now disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
Greg Maffei: I think that was our last question. We look forward to seeing you and the Atlanta Braves. Don't mean to slight our Braves friends. I'm so used to being part of the family. I don't have to call them out separately. Thank you for your interest. As I said, we look forward to seeing many of you next week in New York and, if not, on our next earnings call. Thank you.
Brace friends are so used to being part of the family I don't have to call them out separately.
Thank you for your interest as I said, we look forward to seeing many of you next week in New York and if not on our next earnings call.
Operator: This concludes today's teleconference. You may now disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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