Q1 2024 Endava PLC Earnings Call
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Thank you good afternoon, everyone and welcome to end of first quarter of fiscal year 'twenty 'twenty four conference call.
During this conference call is being recorded joining me today are John <unk>, Chief Executive Officer and Mark.
And that is chief financial Officer before we begin a quick reminder to our partners.
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Thank you Lawrence.
Thank you all for joining us today, and I hope you're all well we're pleased to be here to provide an update on our business and financial performance for the three months ended September 30th 2023.
We reported revenue totaling 188.4 million pounds. So Q1 of our fiscal year 2024, representing a 0.6% year on year decrease in constant currency.
From $196 2 million pounds in the same period in the prior year sequentially revenue was up by 0.2% in constant currency on the previous quarter.
We ended the quarter with an adjusted profit before tax for the period up 29.8 million pounds, representing a 15.8% adjusted profit before tax margin.
On our last earnings call in September I mentioned, the where inherently conservative.
Seeing real signs of improvement, which should impact our second half of fiscal year 2024.
Whilst the world has become more stable over the past two months, we continued to see sizable new opportunities entering and progressing through our funnel as.
As well as new assignments commencing upscaling.
I will shortly go through some case studies and there are a number of these illustrate work we start small.
As we move to production environments.
Mark who come to our guidance later, which we have broadly maintained on the basis that the uplift in the second half continues to firm up.
We continue to prioritize our efforts on larger relationships that can grow and scale. We have a total of 145 clients each paying us in excess of 1 million pounds a year.
In the quarter just ended compared to 240 in the same period last year, representing nearly a 4% year on year increase.
Additionally, we have 33 clients each paying us in excess of 5 million pounds per year.
In the quarter just ended.
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Over the last several years, we've seen an interesting trend emerge with many of our customers.
The proliferation of application programming interfaces or Apis.
And building blocks, the modern products and services has opened the door to a new way for companies to interact with that partners and customers.
Many of these companies have begun extending functionality externally that would historically have been reserved for use inside their organization.
An example of this is embedded finance where financial services products.
Made available to other organizations.
This is meant that companies and industries, including health retail automotive Tech logistics and assurance of old started to embed financial services products into that customer journeys.
So these businesses, there's often provides new revenue streams wider value added services and also an increased customer retention.
So the end customer this is manifested in experiences such as being offered an instantaneous learn at the physical point of sale and qualifying from a retail.
Think of a temporary insurance when taking a scooter ride.
You're able to see real time availability of parking spots to reserve and pay for them directly from their mobile app.
Are we able to have your car infotainment system store, you'll payments credentials.
Both domestically pay for tolls as you pass by a checkpoint.
All of these are real world examples of solutions and dollar has helped our clients build.
And the other is finding opportunities to help the providers build their embedded finance solutions.
But also with the businesses across many industries, we're embedding these services into that customer journeys.
And to all of his experience enabled us to engage very early to help establish strategy build proof of concepts and then integrate and develop production systems.
Digging a little deeper the emergence of payments as a service of the subset of the use cases under the embedded finance that's umbrella is play, particularly well to <unk> strengths and rich history in the payments and financial services space.
Our deep expertise in building large scale payment systems and integrating with major payment buyers across the world has made a go to partner.
I was looking to incorporate payment services into their businesses.
Additionally, many of the creative payment services, all banks or other financial institutions. The Indaba also has strong experience supporting.
Our unique position in the payments industry has allowed us to help customers and retail media logistics transportation and many other industries design build and integrate key financial services technology.
To enable that payments lending and issuing as a service products.
Today I'll highlight some of the projects, we are working on and embedded finance.
In the mobility space, we are working with the global car manufacturer, which had first embedded that first generation of payment services into both the app and the in car experience, allowing consumers to seamlessly pay for services, such as fuel parking or charging from that call.
David was initially approach to consult on how to build an embedded payments ecosystem in order to expand the clients presence globally.
It will allow us to interact with a vast network of external policies.
We advise the client on how to streamline that platform by building a robust and scalable architecture.
How to integrate to the complex network payment partners and.
In house commercial structure that proposition across multiple geographies.
Projected volt and it offers now with working on building the clients new target state platform, including payments orchestration as a unifying components.
Which will enable the addition of new components as the clients expands globally.
Building on this experience, we continue to find and help other global automotive Oems, who are seeking to engage with their customers and discover new embedded payment revenue streams through strategic consulting and downstream execution.
In the health care space and Oliver has been working with a U S based company.
<unk>, a comprehensive suite of practice management electronic record keeping.
Patient engagement billing and collection solutions to medical practices. The suite of services includes an arrangement with that payment processor, whereby the client embeds that Paul Hudson services, including pulse terminals web based payments and so on the cost borne by patients.
With their existing payment processing model processor arrangements. They were unable to take advantage of increased payments revenue.
And all that provided a payment strategy financials and operational processes.
Allowed all client to add net new recurring revenue streams to that business.
In the insurance space and the offer has been developing the new gold standard in customer experience, but one of the largest health care insurers in North America.
We were engaged to take a holistic look at the infrastructure and member experience.
And create the vision and roadmap the member experience, including embedded payments.
We are now working with the new ecosystem partners to create the implementation plan and execution strategy for 2024.
This includes a new payment gateway to deliver a new modern payment experience to their members.
In the payment space, we are working with Patrix.
Startup company based in the U K to assist with the Greenfield development of that product.
Realizing the increasing need for efficient each be payments and support increasingly complex geographical roots I wanted to introduce a product that would enable smooth integration from leading financial services providers worldwide through a single contracts and API.
The objective is to offer a straightforward and adaptable solution the unlocks access to a diverse ecosystem of providers.
The benefits would translate into a service that platforms could use to seamlessly embed complex payments transfers and allow them to easily expand into new geographical markets.
We used our payments and architecture expertise to identify the overall business requirements and help the client with the product ideation and discovery.
We helped design and enterprise level architecture that is intended to be reusable and scalable.
A minimum viable product was developed and launched within five months. It enables real time transactions with an internal back office staff members at an external user interface for end customers.
Also in the payment space, we formed a strategic partnership with stripe, which marries industry, leading product capabilities with our best in class engineering capabilities stripe has been a pioneer in embedded finance offering the ability for merchants to use their services to collect payments and even off of calls to their <unk>.
However, global platforms are complex and require industry specific expertise where.
Looking in collaboration across insurance automotive banking and gaming indaba helped bring stripes vision to life.
Recent examples include our work in the automotive industry to enable an industry first peer to peer marketplace, allowing users to create their own revenue streams from that call. Whilst also providing a more carbon neutral option to people running multiple calls.
A leading European payment Fintech, which provides services to address the needs of the rapidly growing beach b marketplace was facing strains due to its rapid growth.
The client services over 2500, leading platforms and marketplaces.
To support its growth the client needed a partner that would transition their current infrastructure to a modern scalable and globally transportable cloud approach, whilst not jeopardizing that regulated status.
And David was selected as the provider of choice by financial services and AWS expertise the migration of both staging and production was done successfully on an extremely tight deadline of less than four months, enabling the business to continue to grow without service interruption.
We helped to UK payment platform define and develop a scalable in Bolton embedded finance products Division, Mr. Ofer, Tailorable and fully embedded finance experience and so that customer's website.
Service offers merchants access to multiple lending partners from a single user experience, enabling the offering a tailor made lending options to meet a range of different market requirements. The product. We bill allows for a complete consumer journey with lender specific loan products.
Eligibility checks and account creation.
We're also building for them a merchant service portal as well as a lender servicing portal, allowing for the full merchant journey assisting with Onboarding flows no your customer know your business and anti money laundering checks.
Flexibility and scalability of this platform allows our clients to quickly adapt to ever changing market demands.
The dollar has been working with explore technologies, a global platform integrating virtualized SaaS solutions and embedded payments to help everyday life businesses succeed.
We help them to enhance their U S payments platform to enable them. So the more global market by migrating to Azure cloud and developing a new U payment processing capability for the U K and the EU.
The global payment platform now allows for automated merchant on boarding and reconciliations and is supported by application program interfaces.
Software development kits for web and mobile as well as native payment App technologies.
With our support explore technologies is solidifying its position as an industry leader and seen the software and embedded payment solutions for businesses and the early education fitness and well being.
And field services verticals.
On the technology side, we continue to see demand for experienced base capability and degenerative space.
Increasingly our conversations are moving beyond simple internal use cases.
Moving to a requirement to industrialize and harden proof of concepts and then readying them for enterprise deployments.
As we continue to have more in depth conversations with our clients about the benefits from AI of manual efficiency process augmentation in the autonomous agents.
Are increasingly using our internally developed AI platform to rapidly demonstrate how our clients can benefit from these powerful tools.
Following a recent conversation with the client rather than simply responding with a presentation of our recommendations all team built a working solution using simulated data that directly fits into the clients' workflow.
As this was developed on our platform. We could also demonstrate how this technology can be deployed into an organization rapidly whilst knowing the solution will scale with future usage patterns.
This approach shows how leveraging AI technology within our teams can have a rapid impact on our sales cycle and customer satisfaction as well as delivering more than just a standalone proof of concept.
Enterprise systems utilizing the latest AI technologies, we're also demonstrating a requirement for new ways of working and expertise.
Similar to how clients that a dev ops ways of working to best leverage cloud computing, we are seeing the need to consider AI workloads and the requirement for mobile management forest feedback monitoring and so on requiring an evolution of Dev ops way of working which we are calling ml ops.
Is this holistic view of how to leverage new technologies that places in Dover at halls of clients' emerging AI journeys.
Regarding our recent acquisitions in Asia Pac and the U S. The integration process is progressing smoothly and I'm excited about the prospects for our expanding global footprint.
As we work towards achieving our vision clarity, we recently introduced one in dollar.
Leadership program built around delivering Korea growth growing leaders and fostering a culture of diversity and belonging.
The last three years Indaba wellbeing are supported all people, who have a wealth of resources master pulses and workshops organized around four pillars mind body.
And community.
We're committed to expanding the support we offer to ensure what wider relevancy to our diverse global community.
In celebration of World Mental Health day, we launched online wellbeing retreats, providing an immersive experience for renewed energy and focus.
Additionally, we recently received the Echo bought a silver medal of 2023. This places us in the top 25% in our industry and in the 85th percentile for all companies for integrating positive ESG practices across our business improving on the <unk>.
<unk> metal we received in 2022 this achievement recognizes ongoing commitment to making a positive impact and supporting our people customers and the communities where we operate.
We ended the quarter with 11761 employees.
Two and a half per cent decrease from 12065 in the same period last year.
In the current environment, our recruitment is focused on the areas of demand as well as continuing to strengthen our sales and marketing team.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Olin dolphins for their loyalty and determination over the past quarters as we have persevered through recent wins.
We will continue to manage the business for the long term, maintaining our culture and organizational health and creating exciting solutions for our clients and their customers.
Despite the recent challenges based on all conversations we believe clients activity and exploring in commissioning new products will overtake the headwinds of recent quarters and see us return to growth.
I'll now pass the call onto Mark who will walk you through our financial results for the quarter and provide guidance for the coming quarter and the fiscal year.
Thanks, Jim and job as revenue totaled 198 4 million pounds for three months ended September 10th Street compared to $196 2 million pounds in the same period in the prior year, a three 9% decrease over the same period in the prior year.
Constant currency revenue decline.
One, 6%, which reflects a 7% perfect inorganic contribution during the quarter.
Sequentially revenue was up five 2% in constant currency on the previous quarter.
Profit before tax for Q1 fiscal year, 2024 were $17 3 million pounds compared to $38 6 million pounds in the same period in the prior year.
Our adjusted profit before tax for three months ended September 32023, with $29 8 million pounds compared to 39 5 million pounds for the same period in the prior year.
Our adjusted profit before tax margin was 15, 8% or three months ended September 32023.
Compared to 21% the same period in the prior year.
Our adjusted diluted earnings per share was 39 pence for three months ended September 32020, great calculated on 58 4 million diluted shares as compared to 54 times for the same period in the prior year calculated on $58 1 million Gardner to chess.
Revenue from our 10 largest clients accounts for 35% of revenue for three months ended September 20.
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Additionally, the average spend per client from our 10 largest clients increased from $6 4 million pound $6 5 million pounds for three months ended September 30th towards 'twenty right.
As compared to three months ended September 30 of 2020.
Representing a two 3% year over year increase.
In the three months ended September 32023, North America accounts for 30% of revenue compared to 35% in the same period last fiscal year.
Europe accounted for 25% of revenue compared to 22% in the same period last fiscal year U K accounted for 35% of revenue compared to four.
50% in the same period last fiscal year, while the rest of the world accounted for 10% compared to 3% in the same period last fiscal year.
Revenue from North America declined 15, 6% three months ended September 32023 over the same period last fiscal year.
Comparing the same periods revenue from Europe grew eight 8% the UK declined 16.0% and the rest of world grew 182%.
Starting this quarter, we are providing additional granularity on that skill mix revenue.
Revenue from payments declined 14, 7% for three months ended September 32010 straight at the same period last fiscal year and accounted for 27% of revenue compared.
Compared to 30% in the same period last fiscal year.
Revenue from banking and capital markets or PCM declined 14, 4% for three months ended September cracks here towards trying to screen.
Same period last fiscal year and accounted for 14% of revenue compared to 16% in the same period last fiscal year.
Revenue from insurance grew 32, 3% for three months ended September 32000.
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Same period last fiscal year and accounted for 8% of revenue compared to 6% in the same period last fiscal year.
Revenue from TMT declined one 9% for three months ended September 32023 of the same period last fiscal year and accounted for 23% of revenue unchanged from the same period last fiscal year.
Revenue from mobility grew six 7% for three months ended September 30th towards trying to create over the same period last fiscal year and accounted for 11% revenue compared to 10% in the same period last fiscal year.
Revenue from other grew four 7% for three months ended September 32023.
Same period last fiscal year, and now accounts for 17% of revenue compared to 15% in the same period last fiscal year.
Our adjusted free cash flow was 16.0.
Million pounds or cream ended September 32 inch screen compared to $21 8 million pounds. During the same period last fiscal year.
Our cash and cash equivalents at the end of the period remained strong at 168 2 million pounds of timber September 30 of 2020.
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Expenditure for three months ended September 32023, as a potential revenue.
0.4% compared to one 7% in the same period last fiscal year.
Now turning to our outlook for Q2, and a 40 year fiscal 'twenty to 'twenty four.
As Joe mentioned in his remarks, we continue to see signs you Akshay, just entering and progressive call center as well as new assignments commencing and sky. So in that regard. Our guide is little changed initially outlined on our last earnings call.
We still anticipate an uplift in revenues starting in Q3 fiscal year 2020 for recovery to historic levels of growth and profitability by Q4 of fiscal year 2024.
With that context, let me now turn to the guide.
Our guidance for Q2 fiscal 'twenty 'twenty four is as follows.
I expect revenue will be in the range of 184 islands million pounds to 185 million pounds, representing constant currency revenue decrease of between eight 5% and 8.0%.
<unk> expects adjusted diluted EPS to be in the range of 28 29 pence per share.
Our guidance for the full year.
For fiscal year 'twenty 'twenty four is as follows.
<unk> expects revenue to be in a range of 791 million pounds, two 805 million pounds, representing constant currency growth of between 1.0% and two 5%.
<unk> expects adjusted diluted EPS to be in the range of.
1.59 to $1 six pounds per shop.
It's about the guidance for Q2 fiscal year 'twenty to 'twenty four and the full fiscal year 2024 assumes exchange rates on October 31st 2023, and exchange rate was one British pound to one point to one U S dollar and 1.15.
This concludes our prepared comments operator, we're now ready to open the line for Q&A.
We will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question you May Press Star then one on your Touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone. Please pick up your handset before pressing the keys to withdraw from the question queue. Please press Star then two.
Our first question is from Ashwin sure Vikar I've funny. Please go ahead.
Yeah.
Thank you and.
Thank you for the incremental detail to be baked out.
Thank you provided.
Hum.
I guess the first question I have is.
With regards to the higher visibility Nicky seem to seem to allude to is there a way to perhaps quantified act in terms of.
You know.
How much is already contractility.
Contractually lined up so to speak where she is how much more needs to get get sold and get ramped and then the related question is obviously the last fiscal year you had a.
Couple of.
Very idiosyncratic impacts to your revenues for example, F I F N.
N D. P E situation. If you can provide an update on.
What's included in your outlook as it relates to those trends.
Yeah. Thanks Ashwin.
Well I mean, I'll, just give a little bit of a.
Headlines to frame it and then Mark I remember a little bit of detail.
So from a.
Client point of view with icing at all and also the historic visibility that we have coming through the pipeline now thats always been a mixture.
Contracted business committed business.
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And we are following the normal pattern.
We've had in terms of assessing that.
Now what we're.
Thing and what we reported last quarter and continue to see growing is quite a lot of strength in terms of new opportunities coming into the top of the pipeline and advancing through the pipeline.
And it's based on those.
Those with appropriate levels of probability using the same ones. This week, we applied historically.
The web pricing.
The uplift coming through in the second half of the financial year.
So we followed the normal pattern.
I think to frame it we essentially see a pre COVID-19 world returning.
The competitive as it's always been but.
But it's a context, where we do well as a business with the opportunities that are coming through with differentiated products and services to clients.
And.
It'll take a while to work out of the system. The nine months also pulls.
Pulls in client decision, making.
Which is essentially.
Essentially created headwinds.
So over the past three quarters.
But as that works right, we see the normal patents coming through in the pipeline that we're seeing.
Coming through our system Mark anymore color on that Yeah, I think just a couple of Joe was saying.
We forecast the business.
After nine months.
We scrutinized the pipeline and the conversion rates from contraction to commence it.
And the pipeline is firming, which means it becomes a smaller proportion of the revenues for Q3 Q4.
So the contraction of committed revenues is stepping up as a proportion.
Previous guide and.
And then if it I think it was about a socratic elements.
Previously as well say like Master card and that's why as so again, we have not changed any of the assumptions that we have that especially that.
The comp was going to.
Down in terms of activity in Q2, which isn't back into God, it's not different from the initial guidance will be relatively flat as we go into the second half.
As we pivot onto new types of work with them and again with F. I S. Basically flatlining patch in terms of the outlook. It's no different from what we said last.
Last time, although.
With the change in ownership, we would anticipate that we would get additional work with them, but we have not factored that into the guide.
And then the final point I think you touched on a P. Again, we have not changed that assumption that we had in the initial guide which is basically the PE business for us will be flat throughout the year.
I appreciate that and then the second question is with regards to do head count.
In the quarter head count down sequentially, obviously, you have pretty meaningful sequential growth in the second half of the year.
How quickly can you.
I guess head count to go to appropriate levels of headcount increases.
When you see that can add up to.
So we would expect to be able to wrap their head counts pretty much.
A month or two I have to say projects coming through.
In the current environment. It is as tough as it has been historically.
To recruit and bring good people in.
If it starts to toughen up we will we will just ramp ahead of that.
It's pretty easy for us to respond.
As we have done over all the years of growing the business.
Ramping headcount alongside the demand from clients.
We would anticipate being able to do that I just forgot the second half.
In Q3, we still have a bench, which we've been through so it'll be a Q4 issue.
As it emerges.
Understood.
Thanks, and congratulations good quarter.
Thanks Safra.
Yeah.
The next question is from Bryan Bergin of TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thanks, it's exactly it's been on for Brian First question. We had was on the demand side can you maybe provide some more color on these larger deal opportunities that support your optimism in the second half of the year are there certain common factors driving this influx of activity and how would you characterize.
The pace of these deal ramps versus more normalized times.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. So I mean, we're seeing it in a number of areas.
The the pace and the demand.
Actually.
Is strong.
Compared with our pre Covid situation.
But we maintain an element of conservatism.
Just given what's happening in the world and that crop and that Craig.
The sorts of things that we're seeing coming through our tradition.
Traditional.
Digital transformation services.
I touched on a whole bundle of advice around the embedded finance area.
Opening remarks.
We're certainly seeing a lot of activity coming from that.
We're also seeing a pause.
Foreign transformation type work.
And our clients.
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Looking at it.
Some economies out of consolidating those perhaps.
Pushing them, a little bit harder into the cloud space.
The benefits that come from that transition.
A little bit more lift and shifts.
One has seen historically.
So those are the those are the big areas.
Where we're seeing a step up.
Another aspect.
There is definitely some supplier consolidation going on in the market.
And you know we are being a beneficiary of that.
And seeing some of that can fill that actually come our way.
It's probably a new thing for us that didn't really occur for us pre COVID-19 just want at the scale.
We were we were picking up that sort of step up.
But we've seen quite a lot of activity with clients.
So the nice thing and we're benefiting from it.
Got it and and shifting to margins. So it looks like there were some upside in the quarter.
What were the drivers here and how does it inform your view over the coming quarters.
Yes.
Gross margin was basically draw and told me. He said we have slightly that's a revenue that fell through to the.
Bottom line.
Gross margin was better than anticipated.
<unk> utilization.
This was slightly up so gross margin was better than anticipated and we spent marginally less on SG&A.
While serving the EPS.
You know against guide was up quite significantly, but the main drop as being sort of gross margin.
But having said that given the guide for Q2, we do see further gross margin compression, which is what we.
Got it.
At the end of our fiscal 'twenty three back in September.
So I anticipate that we get that and basically that is flattish or batch that we were carrying in investing in as.
As we get ready for the pickup in demand that we see in the second half and we continue to invest as well in SG&A, mainly in our sales and marketing.
But also.
And our integration work, we're doing in Asia Pacific with our newly acquired businesses. So there's no real change in the margin profile that we outlined a toddler, giving guide for Q1.
Got it thank you.
The next question is from Maggie Nolan of William Blair. Please go ahead.
Hi, Thank you.
Just to build on that margin question, a little bit as you're starting to think about some signs of stabilization or improvement.
Think about maybe beyond the quarter that you just.
Commented on them what.
What are some of the levers that you're going to start to push on to drive those margins back up to your long term levels and do you think margin will recover them in conjunction with the kind of demand and revenue recovery or do you expect a lag as you start to see that demand to come back.
I'll start and then Jim can.
Comment I mean I think.
Things are stabilizing I'm, just not that being <unk>.
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Thanks.
Jay has been.
A new Youtube you haven't seen much weakness in its future. It's a mixed picture at the moment.
But basically so stable I'm part of the recovery that we see and it's probably beyond this fiscal will be the pick up in theory, the J REIT.
So it recovers.
Whilst we're waiting for that country more strongly.
It's looking at the cost to play.
Business and mainly through delivery.
Delivery and they they the wage.
Costs that we have in our business. So we have to make sure.
We balance the demand that we see in affordability in the marketplace.
The levels of payables that we're making so we're going to be vigilant on that and again, we are going to play close attention to SG&A. We are investing at the moment basically at all.
Sales activities.
When the recovery comes.
We will continue to watch that so I think as we grow out of this fiscal year, and particularly get back to normal sort of run rate to a more normal by Q4.
<unk> will pay a bill good gross margin back to the levels that we've seen historically, which is good.
And then get that leverage over SG&A.
Yeah, I think the big step up from where we are now into the second half will pay as we drive utilization.
We're carrying a substantial bench compared to historic.
Historic levels.
We've hung onto on the basis of the work that we see coming through.
And as we deploy those people will see the gross margin like back office those markets how aligned.
And then Cascade true too.
The EBITA levels that we've had historically.
That's helpful. Thank you and then I know you commented on.
And Mastercard, specifically, but could you talk a little bit more broadly about funding and demand trends at your payments and fintech clients.
For instance that you're seeing between the UK and Europe and the U S.
What expectations for these schools.
You factored into the full year guidance.
In terms of residual tanks for the initial comments actually I mean payments.
He's going to be a tough year for.
Russ so year on year, we'll you'll see a decline in something like 14% we think.
But that hasnt changed from yeah from Q coupon.
Again, nothing for banking capital markets will be sort of stable again, we haven't seen any change in my outlook.
Insurance actually it looks like a relative bright.
Bright spot TMT.
Is it.
The weaker than anticipated, but it's just.
The margins and that is actually across most of the geologist whether it's North America.
The U K.
And again, we're not really seeing much.
Change in terms of you know the G I.
Outlook I think North America will will starts with copper.
More strongly than the UK actually if you look at it quarter on quarter.
But it will still not be here, so a strong year for North America in terms of year on year drugs.
So it's there's no real change in what we were saying eight till say weeks ago, some select color.
Yes, just a couple of things to add to that.
We just Nymex because we say it's much more sector driven Jack driven.
So the sector valuations are driving what's happening in the Gi rather than the other way round.
So Europe has been relatively strong largely because of the Gis strongly in Europe, rather than because of smart.
And in Europe.
The other thing is.
Talking about payments going down.
But actually if you look at what we're doing as a business, it's because it's becoming more of a horizontal.
And some of those services that we were talking about getting embedded into the solutions for retailers and so on are offering.
It means we are still pretty busy from a payment point of view, it's just going into other verticals and actually that's a real strength for us because it helps us to break into other so that's cool.
It's quite strategic conversations with clients.
We're able to build out from that as we expand into other verticals outside of our traditional strengths of the financial services space.
Yep.
Thanks, Mike.
Okay and if you have a question. Please press Star then one the next question is from Bryan Keane of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Hi, This is Nate Svensson on for Bryan I was hoping that you could give us some update on how the blood Bath U K acquisitions are performing versus your expectations. When you made those acquisitions. So how is the integration work going and then maybe how do you feel about the long term opportunity ahead of you in APAC and then Relatedly I think you mentioned that inorganic.
In the quarter was 7% just wondering if you could give us an update on the expectation for inorganic contribution for the remainder of the year.
Yes.
The deals that we've done in Asia Pacific all guidance, probably well the electrical one from lost well just over 12 months ago.
Most often deck by settling in well.
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With our existing client base, but also winning new business.
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And you know we.
We see great opportunities, that's converting to organic growth in that part of it will.
With that as well, we thought the Vietnam delivery capabilities.
And we're starting to deploy that into.
And all of our clients.
Spreading our footprint.
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For the Central Europe, and Latin America capability that we have historically.
Vietnam in particular, we're seeing demand from some of our global clients.
We're keen to have services.
In the Asia Pacific Arena.
And those clients are following through on that their asks before we did the deal that actually starting to put teams together and not part of the world.
So it's executing well, we're very pleased with that.
Mark did you want to put some color on the inorganic yes.
Right right.
77% and of course, it was the contribution from M&A. It will diminish as we go through the year.
We did a full 12, sorry Colombian.
So for the full year similar to what we said last time contribution from M&A will be about 5% to 5% constant currency in the guide.
Got it all very helpful.
There's been a question in the Q&A on January of AI. So I will take the opportunity to ask that one Doug can you tell us like how much of the sales activity and pipeline that you're seeing is explicitly AI related I know some competitors in the space have talked about a lot of activity, but sort of not a lot in terms of actual bookings and book.
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Yes, so thanks for that.
Congratulations on the first question on general.
In this call.
Yes, we're seeing a lot of interest a lot of conversations in the market.
I think.
Similar to other organizations the challenge has been conferred converting those into scale projects.
And one of the reasons for taking you through our App.
Internally developed platform that is all about how you kind of the the ideas and the opportunities from generous data into.
Into enterprise scale deliberate cool solutions.
Our platform essentially.
Uses existing Oh consortium SaaS solutions. So we don't we're not creating the generative I all I can say.
So we're putting those onto our platform actually enables well.
Well engineered solutions.
Solutions to be put together very quickly.
And then in a fashion that could be integrated into an enterprise environment.
And therefore, unable to scale and I think it's the engineering capability, which is going to be crucial to actually seeing these opportunities from these solutions.
Brought to life and scaled in clients.
This is why we invested in that space and brought it to life.
It also has benefits.
Sales cycle.
In the sense that you know where I can.
Sandbox very quickly.
Selections.
The really relate to client workflows and actually bringing those to life.
Well with them.
Some sort of Powerpoint this what could be done type discussion.
That helps clients go down the learning curve value agenda.
How it can.
Impacts their organization.
So that's what I would call that out.
We like the phrase.
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That brings to life the engineering related to putting these machine learning capabilities, it's client solutions.
The Dev ops.
Capability that the Gulf built around implementing cloud solutions.
Yeah.
Thanks, I appreciate the color.
Thanks.
The next question is from James Faucette of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Good morning. This is Antonio how to me Oh I'm on for James Faucette.
I have one question I'm just curious if you guys could more broadly talk about.
You're like capital allocation strategy going forward.
That like you guys have had a concerted effort in the APAC region and just curious on that first.
So the broad principle is.
We've looked at buybacks, but concluded that actually.
We'd better conserving our capital for the right M&A opportunities.
M&A that is going to push us down in that diversification route.
We still for many years ago, diversifying out of financial services and out of the U K.
And we continue to push on that M&A is one of the.
Really helpful routes to achieving that diversification so our capital focuses around using.
Using that to drive M&A.
The areas that were particularly changed to grow on all the U S.
But I'll say some of the countries in Europe, where we don't have a presence as we see opportunities there.
So that's what we'll be focusing on in terms of where we put our money.
Got it that's all very helpful. And then for my second question I know that you had mentioned that in your guide you're sort of Flatlining.
Like private equity activity, but have you seen any meaningful activity.
And that group and if you could touch on that that'd be great.
Yeah, So I mean, the key sites.
Our approach to market is that we have a diligence business that engages with PS early in that.
Diligence.
Process, where around acquiring businesses.
And through doing that we help them frame.
Frame their investment thesis was what they wanted to do from a technology point of view as well as there will be other aspects.
Why they are buying the business and.
Through that.
That leads to downstream work, because we help them execute on their transformations.
Now you know is that it's actually been pretty quiet.
The last three or four months, we have seen a significant pickup in.
That diligence work in some of those deals are.
Getting execution upon now.
Now it is it is a long cycle sale.
Sales.
Process, because we work with the pace and shape.
Shaping the investment thesis.
And execute on the deals they normally have to work that they want to do with my.
Management teams in terms of.
Shaping the strategy around that investment thesis.
And then.
Putting that business cases together.
Excuse me on it.
It can be 612 months downstream before that work starts to come through.
Seeing nice early signs of activity.
In terms of deals happening in that work going on.
We wouldn't expect it to have a significant impact on the spot actual yeah.
But it is a good sign for the next financial year.
Perfect. Thanks, guys.
Thank you.
This concludes our question and answer session I would like to turn the conference back over to John Colorado for closing remarks.
So thank you all for joining US today, we're excited about the market opportunities over the medium to long term.
All of the technology, but I use that continue too much some of which we've outlined on the call.
Gearing into all of it to continue as a leader as these tech lifestyler strength and look forward to speaking to you on our next earning call in February.
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