Full Year 2023 Utz Brands Inc Earnings Call
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Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Desiree, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the UTZ Brand fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.
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Fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings call.
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Good morning, and thank you for joining us today on the call today or Howard Friedman CEO, J, Vittoria CFO and carried a war.
Kevin J. Powers: Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. On the call today are Howard Friedman, CEO; Ajay Kataria, CFO; and Cary Devore, COO. Howard and Ajay will make a pair of comments this morning, and all three will be available to answer questions during our live Q&A session. Please note that some of our comments today will contain forward-looking statements based on our current view of our business, and actual future results may differ materially. Please see our recent SEC filings, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect future performance. Before I turn the call over to Howard, I just have a few housekeeping items to review.
Howard J, we will make prepared comments this morning, and all three will be available to answer questions. During a lot of Q&A session. Please.
Please note that some of our comments today will contain forward looking statements based on our current view of our business and actual results may differ materially.
Please see our recent SEC filings, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect future performance.
Before I turn the call over Howard I, just have a few housekeeping items to review.
Kevin J. Powers: Today we will discuss certain adjusted or non-GAAP financial measures, which are described in more detail in this morning's earnings material. Reconciliations of Non-GAAP Financial Measures and Other Associated Disclosures are contained in our earnings materials and posted on our website. Finally, the company has also prepared presentation slides and additional supplemental financial information, which are posted on our investor relations website.
Today, we will discuss certain adjusted or non-GAAP financial measures, which are described in more detail in this morning's earnings materials.
Reconciliation is a non-GAAP financial measures and other associated disclosures are contained in our earnings materials and posted on our website.
Finally, the company is also prepared presentation slides and additional supplemental financial information, which are posted on our Investor Relations website, and now I'd like to turn the call over to Howard.
Howard A. Friedman: Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to be speaking with you today. For those of you on the call that attended our Investor Day in December, I'd like to thank you again for joining us, and I look forward to seeing many of you at investor events throughout the year. Given we recently spent a good amount of time talking about our detailed progress in 2023, I'll keep my comments brief, reflecting on the year and our fourth quarter results, and then hand it off to Ajay for a detailed financial review and outlook. I'll finish my prepared remarks discussing our priorities for 2024, which align to our key fundamental strategies, and then we will open the call to your questions. As we wrap up our 102nd year of UTZ, 2023 was a critical year.
Thank you Kevin and good morning, everyone I pleased to be speaking with you today.
For those of you on the call that attended our Investor Day in December I.
I would like to thank you again for joining us and I look forward to seeing many of you add investor events throughout the year.
Given we recently spent a good amount of time talking about our detailed progress in 2023 I'll keep my comments brief reflecting on the year and our fourth quarter results and then hand, it off to a J for a detailed financial review and outlook.
He'll finish our prepared remarks discussing our priorities for 2024, which aligned to our key fundamental strategies and then we will open the call up for your questions.
As we wrap our 102nd year of 2023 was a critical year.
Howard A. Friedman: We have evolved our business through capacity, distribution, and capability investments that better position us to capture our full potential, and we are making tangible progress in building us into a pure play US snacking company of scale, with an Advantage Brand Portfolio in the Attractive Salty Snacks category. To ready ourselves for our next stage of growth, in 2023, we will develop a clearly defined brand portfolio strategy to further penetrate our expansion geographies with our customers, while we work to maintain our market share in the core. This strategy positions us well to hit our goal of 4 to 5% organic net sales CAGR over the next three years. Additionally, we developed our integrated supply chain strategy that is targeting $135 million in cost savings by 2026 through our base productivity program, optimizing our network, and strengthening our capability.
We evolved our business through capacity distribution and capability investments that better position us to capture our full potential.
And we are making tangible progress in building us into a pure play U S. Snacking company of scale with an advantage brand portfolio and the attractive salty snacks category.
To ready ourselves for our next stage of growth in 2023, we developed a clearly defined brand portfolio strategy to further penetrate our expansion geography's with our customers, while we work to maintain our market share in the corps.
This strategy positions as well to hit our goal, 4% to 5% organic net sales keg or over the next three years.
Additionally, we developed are integrated supply chain strategy that is targeting $135 million in cost savings by 2026th through our based productivity programs. After.
Optimizing our network and strengthening our capabilities.
Howard A. Friedman: Last year, we made good steps to begin to optimize our supply chain network, and we'll hit the ground running in 2024 with the closing of our recently announced transaction for the disposition of three plants. This transaction will accelerate some of our targeted network optimization cost strategy, while also simplifying execution, and helps enable us to reach our stated net leverage goal of three times by year end 2025, which is a full year earlier than planned. Turning to how we finished the year, we continued to make positive strides in the fourth quarter. While fourth-quarter shipments were towards the lower end of our expectations, our consumption results were strong, and we delivered double-digit adjusted EBITDA growth and our fourth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin expansion. Our retail sales increased 4%, led by power brand growth of 5%, and we gained dollar, pound, and unit share in the fourth quarter. We were the only snacking company of scale to accomplish this, and in the quarter, we finished as the number three branded company in the salty category.
Last year, we make good steps to begin to optimize our supply chain network and we've hit the ground running in 2024 with the closing of our recently announced transaction for the disposition of three plants.
This transaction will accelerate some of our targeted network optimization cost strategies, while also simplifying execution and.
And helps enable us to reach our state is not leverage goal of three times by year end 2025, which is a full year earlier than planned.
Turning to how we finished the year, we continued to make positive strides in the fourth quarter.
While fourth quarter shipments were towards the lower end of our expectations are consumption results were strong and we deliver double digit adjusted EBITDA growth and our fourth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin expansion.
Or retail sales increased 4% led by power brand growth of 5% and we gained dollar pound and unit share in the fourth quarter.
I suppose the only snacking company of scale to accomplish this in in the quarter. We finished as the number three branded company in the southeast category.
In addition, our investments in digital marketing capabilities delivered results as US was the fastest growing salty snacks company a scale in e-commerce sales.
Howard A. Friedman: In addition, our investments in digital marketing capabilities delivered results as UTZ was the fastest growing salty snack tech company of scale in e-commerce. Our growth was driven by continued momentum for Utz Potato Chips, On the Border, Boulder Canyon, Zapp's Pretzel Sticks, and a strong rebound in our Utz Cheese and Golden Flake Pork. Power brand growth was most pronounced in our expansion geographies with growth of 9% fueled by continued distribution gains, which easily exceeded category growth of three. In addition, our power brand growth in the core of 3% outpaced category growth of 2%, led by the strong performance of On the Border and Boulder Canyon. With Boulder Canyon still only less than 20% distributed in our core, this better-for-you snacking brand has plenty of room to roll ahead.
Our growth was driven by continued momentum for us potato chips on the border Boulder Canyon.
Zaps pretzel sticks, and a strong rebound in our us cheese and Golden Flake port businesses.
Power brand growth was most pronounced in our expansion geography's with growth of 9% fueled by continued distribution gains, which easily exceeded category growth of 3%.
In addition, our power brand growth in the core of 3% outpaced category growth of 2%.
Led by strong performance of on the border in Boulder Canyon.
With Boulder Canyon still only less than 20% distributed in our core this better for Ya Snacking brand is plenty of room to roll ahead.
Before I turn it over to a J I would like to thank our 3500 us associates for their dedication and hard work as we are building a portfolio of consumer love brands coast-to-coast.
Howard A. Friedman: Before I turn it over to Ajay, I'd like to thank our 3,500 US Associates for their dedication and hard work as we are building a portfolio of consumer-loved brands coast to coast. This was an important year for our company as we strengthened our foundation and better positioned us to deliver our full potential. Our mission is to become the fastest growing pure play U.S. snacking company of scale, and I'm confident in our journey ahead. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Ajay. Ajay.
This was an important year for our company as we strengthened our foundation and better position to deliver our full potential our mission is to become the fastest growing pure play U S. Snacking company of scale and I'm confident in our journey ahead.
Now I would like to turn the call over to a J.
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Thank you Howard and good morning, everyone.
Ajay Kataria: Thank you, Howard. And good morning, everyone. In 2023, we delivered organic net sales growth of nearly 3%, which included a 3.2% volume headwind from skew rationalization, increased adjusted EBITDA by 10% to $187 million, and expanded adjusted EBITDA margins by 90 basis points to 13%. I'm proud of our team's efforts during a dynamic consumer environment to deliver these results in the fourth quarter. Organic net sales slightly declined by 30 basis points, and Adjusted EBITDA increased 12%, as our productivity programs and actions to optimize our network and portfolio are delivering stronger profitability. Important
In 2023, we delivered organic next sales growth of nearly 3%.
Which included at 3.2% volume headwind from skewed rationalization.
Increased adjusted EBITDA by 10% to $187 billion.
And expanded adjusted EBITDA margins 90 basis points to 13%.
I'm proud of our team's efforts during a dynamic consumer environment to deliver these results.
And the fourth quarter.
Organic net sales slightly declined 30 basis points and adjusted EBITDA increased 12%.
As our productivity programs and actions to optimize our network and portfolio are delivering stronger profitability.
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Ajay Kataria: Our organic net sales growth combined with these actions resulted in our fourth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin expansion, as we delivered 14% adjusted EBITDA margins in the quarter. Our organic net sales performance was led by volume mixed growth of 50 basis points. Volume was impacted, as expected, by 2.5% due to skew reduction when we adjust for skew rationalization. We estimate that our volume X grew 3% in the quarter, which is an acceleration from 2.7% last quarter. Our broad-based skewed rationalization actions are now complete. And in 2024, we don't expect this program to have a material impact on our results.
Our organic net sales growth combined with these actions resulted in our fourth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA margin expansion as.
As we delivered 14% adjusted EBITDA margins in the quarter.
During the quarter.
Our organic net sales performance was led by volume X growth of 50 basis points.
Volume was impacted as expected by 2.5% due to scuba deductions.
When we adjust for skewed rationalization.
We estimate that are all new Mexico, 3% and the quarter, which is an acceleration from 2.7% last quarter.
Our broad based skewed rationalization actions are now complete.
And in 2024, we don't expect this program to be a material impact to our results.
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Ajay Kataria: Additionally, As we discussed last quarter, our fourth quarter net sales were negatively impacted by some earlier holiday shipping that was originally forecasted to occur in the fourth quarter but shift to the third quarter. Offsetting the volume increase in the quarter was a pricing decline of 80 basis points as we lapped 17% price realization in the prior year. Also, we made certain price tag architecture changes to be better positioned in the market. Finally, our total net sales growth was impacted by the conversion of company-owned RRSP routes to independent operators, which reduced growth by 40%. Similar to skew rationalization
As we discussed last quarter, our fourth quarter net sales, but negatively impacted by some earlier holiday shipments that were originally forecast it will occur to the fourth quarter what shift in the third quarter.
Offsetting the volume increase in the quarter was a pricing decline of 80 basis points as we lapsed, 17% price realization in the prior year.
Also we made certain prospect architecture adjustments.
We better positioned in the market.
Finally, our total net sales growth was impacted by the conversion of company on our speed out to independent operators with root.
Use growth by 40 basis points.
Similar to skew rationalization this.
Ajay Kataria: This program is now complete and will have a small impact of 30 basis points on the first half fiscal 2024 sales growth as we lap out of last year's conversion. Moving down to PNL. Adjusted gross margin expanded 52 basis points in the fourth quarter, which I'll note included a 40 basis points headwind from our conversion to IRR. Excluding this impact, adjusted gross margins expanded year-over-year by over 90 basis points, led by our productivity programs, which more than offset commodity and labor inflation. In addition, our SKU rationalization programs improved our margin mix as we reduced lower margin private label and partner brand SKUs. Adjusted as DNA expense declined 5.1%, and an improvement of 110 basis points as a percent of sales, as a result of our productivity initiatives focused on logistics and lower administrative span, as our sales coach normalized.
This program is now complete and we'll have a small impact of 30 basis points in the first half fiscal 2024 sales growth as we laughed out of last year's promotion.
Moving down the P&L.
Adjusted gross margin expanded 52 basis points in the fourth quarter, which I'll note included a 40 basis points headwind from our conversion to iron ups.
Excluding this impact adjusted gross margins expanded earlier by over 90 basis points led by our productivity programs, which more than offset commodity in labor inflation.
In addition, our skewed rationalization programs improved margin mix as we reduce lower margin private label and partner branch skews.
Adjusted SG&A expense declined 5.1%.
An improvement of 110 basis points as a percent of sales.
As a result of productivity initiatives focused on logistics and lower administrative spent.
As our sales growth normalizes, we have been able to manage spend through cost control measures. In addition to driving productivity within our selling and logistics costs.
Ajay Kataria: We have been able to manage spend through cost control measures, in addition to driving productivity within our selling and logistics costs. Partially offsetting these factors were continued investments in e-commerce, people, selling infrastructure, and supply chain capabilities to support our growth. Bringing it all together, Adjusted EBITDA increased by 12% to $49.4 million, and margins expanded 160 basis points to 14% of sales.
Partially offsetting these factors with continued investments and e-commerce people selling infrastructure and supply chain capabilities to support our growth.
Bringing it together.
Just to EBITDA increased by 12% to $49 $4 million and margins expanded 160 basis points.
To 14% of sales.
The margin expansion was driven by 350 basis points of productivity.
Ajay Kataria: The margin expansion was driven by 350 basis points of productivity, 70 basis points from selling and admin expenses, and 20 basis points of volume. These benefits were partially offset by 200 basis points of inflation and 80 basis points of prices.
70 basis points from selling an admin expenses and 20 basis points of volume mix.
These benefits were partially offset by 200 basis points of inflation and 80 basis points of pricing.
In addition.
Ajay Kataria: In addition, Adjusted net income increased 6.5%, and adjusted EPF increased by 6.7% to $0.16 per share. However, stronger operating earnings were partially offset by a less favorable tax rate and higher interest expense primarily due to high rates on our floating rate tax. Turning to cash flow and the balance, consistent with normal seasonality and from our cross-functional efforts to improve our cash conversion cycle. We generated strong cash in the second half of the year of over $80 million. I am happy to report that our transformation efforts in this important area are working, and we are now seeing the benefits in our results. This resulted in cash flow from operations for the full year of $76.6 million.
Adjusted net income increased 6.5% and adjusted EPS increased by 6.7% to 16 cents per share.
Stronger operating earnings were partially offset.
By a less favorable tax rate and higher interest expense, primarily due to higher rates on our floating rate that.
Turning to cash flow and the balance sheet.
Consistent with normal seasonality and from our cross functional efforts to improve our cash conversion cycle.
We generate a strong cash in the second half of the year of over $80 million.
I'm happy to report that our transformation efforts in this important area are working and we are now seeing the benefits and our results.
This resulted in cash flow from operations in the full year of $76 $6 million.
We also remained committed to our capital priorities in.
Ajay Kataria: We also remain committed to our capital priority, and capital expenditures were $55.7 million primarily related to supporting our productivity program and our investments in King's Mountain manufacturing. In addition, we have paid $32.1 million in dividends and distributions to shareholders. Finishing with the balance, cash on hand was $52 million, and our liquidity remained strong at over $210 million, giving us ample financial flexibility. Net debt at quarter end was $866.7 million, or 4.6 times trailing 12 months normalized adjusted EBITDA of $187.2 million.
Capital expenditures with $55 $7 million, primarily related to supporting our productivity programs.
And our investments and our King's Margaret manufacturing plant.
In addition, we have paid $32.1 million in dividends and distribution to shareholders.
Finishing with the balance sheet.
Cash on hand was $52 million and our liquidity remains strong at over $210 million, giving us ample financial flexibility.
Net debt at quarter end was $866 $7 million.
$4 six times trailing 12 months normalized adjusted EBITDA of $187.2 million.
This was slightly higher than our expectations.
Ajay Kataria: This was slightly higher than our expectation. That said, on February 5th, we closed the previously announced disposition transaction of the Good Health and R.W. Garcia Brands and three manufacturing facilities.
That said on February 5th we close the previously announced disposition transaction off the good health and Audibly Garcia brands and three manufacturing facilities.
The transaction included a total consideration of $182.5 million.
Ajay Kataria: The transaction included a total consideration of $182.5 million, with approximately $150 million in after-tax proceeds, which we immediately used to pay down long-term debt, of which more than 90% applied to our floating rate term loan. This single debt repayment resulted in about $12 million in lower interest expense for 2024, and notably, our fixed rate debt now comprises approximately 80% of our total debt, up from 70% at year-end, importantly, and consistent with our strategy. This accelerates our time frame for achieving our target of three times net leverage ratio by year-end 2025. A year ahead of the year-end 2026 target set at Investor Day in December. Now turning to our full year outlook for fiscal 2024. I believe our 2024 outlook positions us well to deliver our 2026 financial targets that we set out at our investor day.
With approximately $150 million in after tax proceeds.
Which we immediately used to pay down long term debt of which more than 90% applied to a floating rate terminal.
This single debt repayment resulted in about $12 billion in lower interest expense for 2024.
And notably.
Fixed rate debt now comprises approximately 80% of our total debt.
Up from 70% at year end.
Importantly, and consistent with our strategy.
This accelerates our timeframe to achieving our target of three times net leverage ratio to ear and 2025.
A year ahead from era of 2026 target.
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Now turning to our full year outlook for fiscal 2024.
I believe our 2024 outlook positions us well to deliver 2026 financial targets that we set out at our Investor day.
We expect organic net sales to increase approximately 3% or better which reflects our outlook for normalizing salty snack category growth.
Ajay Kataria: We expect organic net sales to increase approximately 3% or better, which reflects our outlook for normalizing salty snack category growth. Our growth is expected to be led by volume with outsized strength in our expansion job and pricing about FLAG for the year. Turning to Total Excel, our growth in 2024 is estimated to be impacted by about $45 billion due to the disposition of the Good Health and R.W. Garcia brands.
Our growth is expected to be led by volume with outsized strength and our expansion geographies.
And pricing about flak for the year.
Turning to total net sales.
Our growth in 2024 is estimated to be impacted by about $45 billion due to the disposition of the good health and RW Garcia brands.
You will recall that the total combined sales for these grants for the full year 2023 was approximately $65 million.
Ajay Kataria: You will recall that the total combined sales for these brands for the full year 2023 was approximately $65 million. Given we have a DST agreement with the new owner, Our Home, to continue to distribute Good Health, this results in a lower impact on our total sales in 2024. From a weighting standpoint, we expect about a 49% to 51% first half versus second half split for our net sales. Moving to Adjusted EBITDA.
Given that you have a DSD agreement with the new owner our home to continue to distribute good have.
This results in a lower impact to our total sales in 2024.
From a waiting standpoint, we expect about a 49% to 51% first half was the second half split for our net sales.
Moving to adjusted EBITDA.
Ajay Kataria: We expect growth of 5% to 8%, fueling Gross Margin Expansion as our Base Productivity Program and Network Optimization Cost Savings Bid. In addition, our 2024 outlook assumes a roughly 40% increase in market expense, which is consistent with what we laid out during our investor day. It also includes an estimated impact of a foregone contribution to adjust to the window from our brand disposition, which I'll note is mostly offset by cost savings and also our transition services. We expect the first half versus the second half weighting of adjusted EBITDA to be similar to last year.
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In addition, our 2024 outlook.
Roughly 40% increase in market expand which is consistent with what we laid out during our and rest of your day.
Outlook includes an estimated impact affordable contribution to adjusted EBITDA from our brand disposition.
Which I'll note is mostly offset by cost savings.
And also our transition services agreement.
We expect cost half, what's the second half waiting of adjusted EBITDA to be similar to last year.
Adjusted earnings per share is expected to increase 16% to 21% led by stronger operating earnings.
Ajay Kataria: Adjusted earnings per share is expected to increase 16% to 21%, led by stronger operating earnings and lower Interest Expense Due to the Recent Debt Paydown from the Disposition Net Cash Process. Additionally We expect our adjusted effective tax rate to be between 19% and 21%, interest expense of approximately $50 million, and capital investments of between $80 and $90 million. As we outlined at our Investor Day, we expect HAPEX over the next three years to be about 5% of total net sales. This outlook is unchanged, but the pace has been accelerated, increasing our 2024 spend, given our recent planned disposition and the need to more quickly invest in our key facilities where production will be transitioning. For example,
And lower interest expense due to the recent deck paydown from the disposition net cash proceed.
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We expect our adjusted effective tax rate to be between 19% to 21%.
Interest expense of approximately $50 million.
And capital investments of between 80 and $90 million.
As we outlined at our Investor Day, we expect Capex over the next three years to be about 5% of total net sales.
This outlook is unchanged.
But the pacing has been accelerated increasing our 2024 spent given a recent black as physicians and the need to quickly invested in a key facilities, where production will be transitioned.
For example.
Ajay Kataria: Incremental CapEx this year will be focused on installing a new tortilla chip line in Hanover and automation projects such as palletizers and case rectors. These actions will accelerate network optimization savings to help fully offset the adjusted EBITDA sold by 2025. Finally, we expect net leverage of approximately 3.6 times in 2024, a full-term improvement from 2023. Our 2024 outlook and improved capital structure position us as well to deliver our three-year goal. More importantly, the entire UTZ team is working together to deliver the category-leading opportunity ahead of us. Now, I would like to turn the call back over to Howard, who will talk more about the year ahead. Howard.
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These actions will accelerate network optimization savings to have fully offset the adjusted EBITDA sold by 2025.
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We expect net leverage of approximately three six times in 2020 for a full term improvement from 2023.
Our 20th 24 outlook and improved capital structure.
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The entire team is working together to deliver a category leading opportunity ahead of us.
Now I would like to turn the call back over to Howard who will talk more about the year ahead.
Howard.
Thanks to Jane.
Howard A. Friedman: Thanks, Ajay. As we look ahead to 2024, our outlook begins our runway to deliver the three-year targets that we set at our investor day, and our priorities this year will be consistent with our fundamental strategy, focus our portfolio to further penetrate our expansion geographies while holding the core, transform our supply chain to fund growth and margin, develop leading capabilities to build a best-in-class organization, and improve the balance sheet flexibility and pursue opportunistic opportunities. From a portfolio standpoint, our focus will remain on driving outsized investment and focus on our Power4 brand. Utz, On the Border, Zaps, and Boulder Canyon.
As you look ahead to 2024, our outlook begins our runway to deliver the three year targets that we set at our Investor day in December.
And our priorities this year will be consistent with our fundamental strategies.
Focus our portfolio to further penetrate our expansion geography's, while holding the court.
Transform our supply chain to fund growth and margin improvement.
Develop meeting capabilities to build the best in class organization and.
And improved the balance sheet flexibility and pursue opportunistic M&A.
From a portfolio standpoint, our focus will remain on driving outsized investment and focus on our power for brands.
On the border Zaps in Boulder Canyon.
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Howard A. Friedman: This will be seen in terms of advertising and consumer spend, innovation, and overall marketing capability will be the focal point as we aim to further penetrate expansion geographies in the Midwest, with a focus on mass, larger national Grocers, and The Club Channel. Our key drivers to holding the share in our core this year will be gaining distribution, improving DSDX, and increasing our A&C. As we execute our portfolio strategy, we remain mindful of the dynamic environment as consumers continue to enjoy. As we sit today, we recognize the rise in value-seeking behavior, be it moving up or down the price, channel shifting, and promotion.
These brands will be the focal point as we named it further penetrate expansion geographies in the Midwest with a focus on mass larger national grocers and the club channel.
Key drivers to holding the sharing our core of this year will be gaining distribution, improving DSD execution and increasing our AMC investments.
As we execute our portfolio strategy, we remain mindful of the dynamic environment as consumers continue to adjust.
As we sit today, we recognize the rise in value seeking behavior, b and moving up or down the price ladder channel shifting and promotions seeking.
Howard A. Friedman: While these behaviors are not new, they are best addressed by focusing on how consumers define value, driving brand desirability, and agile response as consumers make their preferences clear. Today, consumers can find us across all classes of trade, and we are focused on how we can deliver more value and accessibility across our brands in partnership with our retailers. This includes being laser focused on our price pack architecture strategy, increasing availability of smaller pack sizes at key pricing thresholds, introducing more value, and better leveraging the breadth of our product and brand. Turning to the Supply Chain, our focus remains on driving our base productivity program.
While these behaviors are not new they are best addressed by focusing on how consumers to find value driving brand desirability and agile response as consumers make their preferences clear.
Today consumers can find us across all classes of trade and we are focused on how we can deliver more value and accessibility across our brands in partnership with our retailers.
This includes being laser focus on our price back architecture strategies, increasing availability of smaller pack sizes at key pricing thresholds.
Introducing more value options and better leveraging the breath of our product and brand assortment.
Turning to the supply chain, our focus remains on driving are based productivity programs, expanding our southeast logistics Center.
Howard A. Friedman: Expanding our Southeast Logistics Center, building out our new Northeast Logistics Center, and production in Kings Mountain. What has changed this year is the pivot and priorities given the recent brand and plant decisions. Capital Investments plans for 2025 and 2026 have been accelerated, given a more rapid reduction in network size, and we will work to transition volume from our disposed plants to our existing facilities. Importantly, the transition services agreement with our home will be in place for 12 months to ensure a seamless production transition over time.
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What has changed this year is the ticket and priorities given the recent brand and plant dispositions.
Capital investments plan for 2025, and 2026 have been accelerated give.
Given a more rapid reduction in network size, and we will work to transition volume from our dispose plants to our existing facilities.
Importantly, the transition services agreement with our home will be in place for 12 months to ensure a seamless production transition over time.
Our portfolio strategy and supply chain transformation efforts will both be underpinned by developing leading capabilities and.
Howard A. Friedman: Our portfolio strategy and supply chain transformation efforts will both be underpinned by developing leading capabilities. In 2024, we are focused on fully implementing our integrated business plan, building out our consumer and sales analytics platform, and investing in IT Infrastructure to include improved account management tools for our independent operators. As we do this, we will continue our DE&I journey and seek to make a place where our people can fulfill their full potential. Finally, from a balance sheet and M&A point of view, our recent transactions immediately provided more flexibility and accelerated our path to de-leveraging.
2024, we are focused on fully implementing are integrated business planning building out our consumer in sales analytics platform and investments in infrastructure to include improved account management tools for our independent operators.
As we do this we will continue our Eni journey and seek to make US a place where are people can fulfill their full potential.
Finally from a balance sheet and M&A point of view, our recent transactions immediately provided more flexibility and accelerated our path to deleveraging.
Howard A. Friedman: That said, we will remain committed to cash management and improved opportunity, as we look to improve our free cash flow conversion. These collective efforts will give us more flexibility to fund future opportunistic M&A, but we will maintain a disciplined capital allocation approach focused on first funding organic growth.
That said, we will remain committed to cash management improved opportunities as we look to improve our free cash flow conversion.
These collective efforts will give us more flexibility to fund future opportunistic M&A, but we will maintain a disciplined capital allocation approach focused on first funding organic growth.
Operator: Second, debt reduction. And third, dividends. These four key strategies are planned to deliver the strong three-year financial targets we introduced at our 2023 investment. As a reminder, these are organic net sales CAGR of 4 to 5% and adjusted EBITDA margin of 16% by 2026. Annual Double-Digit Adjusted EPS Grid and leverage of three times by 2025, a year ahead of our previous forecast. I could not be more excited about our future and our confidence in hitting these goals. And I'd like to thank everyone on this call today for their continued support. And now, operator, we'd like to open the call for questions. Thank you. The floor is now open for your questions. To ask a question this time, please press the star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad.
And debt reduction and third dividend growth.
These four key strategies, our plan to deliver our strong three year financial targets, we introduced at our 2000 twenty-three Investor day.
As a reminder, these are organic net sales kagera of 4% to 5%.
Address should EBITDA margin of 16% by 2026.
Annual double digit adjusted EPS growth.
And leverage of three times by 2025% a year ahead of our previous target.
I could not be more excited about our future and our confidence in hitting these goals and I'd like to thank everyone. On this call today for their continued support.
And now operator, we'd like to open the call for questions.
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Operator: Pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Andrew Lazar with Barclays. Your line is open. Great morning, everybody. Andrew, there.
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Your first question comes from the line of Andrew <unk> with Barclays. Your line is open.
Great Good morning, everybody.
Hi, Andrew.
How would you talked about and a J you talked about your expectation for pricing to be flattish in FY 24, Uhm price was a slight headwind on a year over year basis in the fourth quarter and Howard I think you mentioned some some price macro architecture activities that you took to sort of be better positioned in the market. So I guess my.
Howard A. Friedman: Howard, you talked about, and Ajay talked about your expectation for pricing to be flattish in FY 24. Price was a slight headwind on a year-over-year basis in the fourth quarter, and Howard, I think you mentioned some price pack architecture activities that you took to sort of be better positioned in the market. So I guess my question is, you know, UTZ is clearly outperforming, but the Salty Snack category volume is still running down year-over-year, which I guess could bring about some concerns over just the category competitive environment in terms of pricing, you know, as we go forward. So I'd love to get a sense of how you're sort of taking all that into account as you think. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for the question, Andrew. Look, I think about a couple of things.
Question is is clearly outperforming but salty snack category volume is still running down year over year, which I guess could bring about some concerns over just the category competitive environment in terms of pricing as we go forward. So I'd love to get a sense of how you're sort of taking all that into account as you think through your your guidance for 2004.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for the question Andrew look I think a couple of things one is I'll I'll I'll offer you that I look at our business overall in a couple of ways. Obviously as we are looking at our core in our core geography, while while we often talk about making sure that we hold it we do have a significant amount of distribution opportunity.
Howard A. Friedman: One is I'll offer you that I look at our business overall in a couple of ways. Obviously, as we are looking at our core and our core geography, while we often talk about making sure that we hold it, we do have a significant amount of distribution opportunity there, which layers on top of the distribution opportunities we have in expansion markets. So, you know, as we think about the year, we think more about volume, because a lot of that is untapped white space that we are able to make sure that we're delivering our guide. You know, clearly, the environment right now remains dynamic. And so we would expect, as we've talked previously about building into our overall algorithm through the course of the year. But, you know, overall, I think we're feeling pretty comfortable with where we are.
The their which layers on top of the distribution opportunities we have an expansion markets.
As we think about the year, we think more about at volume because a lot of that is on tap white space that we are able to make sure that we're delivering our guide clearly the environment right now remains dynamic and so we would expect as we've talked previously about building into our.
Overall out of them through the course of the year, but overall I think we're feeling pretty comfortable with where we are.
Howard A. Friedman: I think it's also fair to say that when you look at pricing and promotion in the category right now, while it is obviously higher than it has been, it is still significantly below 2019 levels. And so even now, while promotions are increasing, I think in context, it's not an extraordinary change to where we've been. So I think we feel pretty comfortable with where we are.
I think it's also fair to say that the cat at that when you look at pricing and promotion in the category right now while it is obviously higher than it has been is still significantly below 2019 levels.
So even now what promotions are increasing I think in in context, it's not an.
An extraordinary change to where we've been so I think we feel pretty comfortable with where we are.
Ajay Kataria: You know, obviously, we will maintain our price gaps and do what we're supposed to do using our revenue management capabilities. But overall, I think where we sit today, we're pretty comfortable with where we're sitting, and then, Ajay, anything to keep in mind when it comes to... The cadence of expected volume growth through the year, you expect it to be fairly even-keeled or anything discreet in a given quarter, just to keep in mind as we think about the volume expectations. Yeah, thanks, Andrew.
Obviously, we will we will maintain our price gaps and do what we're supposed to do using our revenue management capabilities.
But overall I think where we sit today.
Comfortable railroad.
And then a change anything to keep in mind when it comes to the cadence of expected volume growth through the year would you expect it to be fairly even keeled or anything discreet.
Given quarter just to keep in mind as we think about the volume expectations. Thanks, so much.
Yeah. Thanks, Andrew.
We do expect to ramp up as we move through the ear and as my comments.
Ajay Kataria: We do expect to ramp up as we move through the year. And as my comments in the in the call were slightly more second half weighted than you saw last year, we should be about a 49 51 split for the year. I gather. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Dickerson with Jeffries. Your line is open.
And the and the call will.
Slightly more second have waited then then you saw last year, we should be about 40 951 split for the year.
Thank you.
Okay.
Our next question comes from the line of from <unk> Jeffrey per line or something.
Howard A. Friedman: Great, thanks so much. Guys, I just want to ask you a question, I guess, around the recent divestments, just good health and RW Garcia, you know, clearly, you've stated, this should, it seems like, help accelerate your supply chain optimization efforts. And then also, you know, you're speaking to the pull forward by a year of the de-leveraged component, but maybe if you could just kind of unpack your thoughts a little bit with respect to, you know, any incremental positive benefits on the margin side, as we think about what we discussed on investor day and then also clearly think about that 16% or higher EBITDA margin target a few years ago. And that's all.
Great. Thanks, so much.
I just want to ask you a question, yes around the recent divestments is good health and R. W. Garcia.
It's David <unk>.
Seems like help accelerate your supply chain optimization efforts southern Australia speaking to the pull forward.
By year of the deleverage component.
Maybe if you could just packed.
Pack your thoughts a little bit with respect to Eddie.
Any incremental positive benefits in the margins side as we either have to think about what was discussed the investor day, and then also ability to think about that 16%.
Or higher <unk>.
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Howard A. Friedman: Yeah, hey, Robert Howard, I appreciate the question. I think the way I would think about the divestiture and the impact that it's going to have on the business is really largely in line with some of the conversations and themes we've discussed before. I think the first is that it was an opportunity for us to divest a couple of brands that are best owned by somebody else. We're able to monetize those assets and sort of simplify our growth expectations in line with our portfolio strategy. They were in the foundation brand, this portfolio.
Yeah, Hey, Robyn Howard and I appreciate the question.
Think the way I would think about added divesture and the impact that it's going to have on the business is really largely in line with kind of some of the conversations and teams with it before I think the first is it was an opportunity for us to divest a couple of brands that are best owned by somebody else, we're able to monetize those assets and sort of simplify our growth.
Expectation in line with our portfolio strategy. They were in the foundation brand.
Add portfolio and as we intend to talk about our big power for brands. The focus that we want to apply their these these were brands that we're probably not going to get the type of affection and love. It they will being owned by somebody else I think second.
Howard A. Friedman: And as we talk about our big power for brands, the focus that we want to apply there, these are brands that were probably not going to get the type of affection and love that they would have if they were owned by somebody else. I think second, you know, as we talked about our plant network disposition and talked over time about how we were going to try and optimize the complexity that that creates is obviously not small, and we were fully prepared to execute it with excellence. But this obviously simplifies a lot of that work as we go forward.
As we talked about our.
Plant network disposition and talked over time of how we were going to try and optimized.
The complexity that that creates is obviously not small and we were fully prepared to execute it was excellent, but obviously simplifies a lot of that work as we go forward and then frankly financially the opportunity to immediately pay down and Delever.
Howard A. Friedman: And then frankly, financially, the opportunity to immediately pay down and delever and get to try and start working our way to 3% by 2020, a year earlier, is a big consideration for us. You hit it right on the capital. Obviously, we want to accelerate some capital because we didn't initially contemplate doing this transaction as quickly as we were able to do it. And so there will be capital to be able to improve and support the business going forward as we source volume into our existing network as we transition out over the next 12, Okay, and maybe just a quick follow up. I know in your prepared remarks, you made a comment around normalized snacking trends on 24.
And get to try and start working our way to the 3% by 2025 a year earlier.
Is a big big Big consideration for US you hit it right on the.
The capital obviously, we want if we're going to accelerate some capital because we didn't initially contemplated doing this transaction as quickly as we were able to do it so there'll be capital to be able to improve and support the business going forward as we in source volume into our existing network as we transition out over the next 12 months.
Okay, and maybe just a quick follow up a new in your prepared remarks made a comment around normalized snacking trends.
84, and then this question you asked for a little incremental detail, but when you speak to kind of normalized snacking trends.
Howard A. Friedman: And then Andrew's question, you know, you went through a little incremental detail. But when you speak to kind of normalized snacking trends, I guess, within your internal forecasting tools, like, how do you view kind of category growth, right? Because if we talk about normalized, right, there've been different stages of what could be normalized clearly over a longer period of time.
Ah, yes within your internal forecasting tools.
How do you view kind of category growth right. Because every time, a normalized there've been different stages of what could be normalized squarely over a longer period of time. So are you thinking like one to two per cent category growth on salty or read back to three to four or just trying to gauge kind of what you think the category for this year.
Howard A. Friedman: So are you thinking like, one to 2% category growth on salty or every back to three to four, or just trying to gauge kind of what you think the category will actually grow? Thanks. Transcribed by https://otter.ai Yeah.
Yeah.
Howard A. Friedman: So Rob, one of the things we mentioned at Investor Day was how we want to take a conservative approach to how we think about our compound annual growth rates to get to that four to 5% over time. And that was specifically because of our expansion market opportunity not necessarily being so wedded to where the category was. I think if you were to look right now, our position really hasn't changed.
Of I think one of the things, we mentioned that Investor day, with how we want to take a conservative approach to how we thought about our our compound annual growth rates to get to that 4% to 5% over time and that was specifically because of our of our expansion market opportunity not necessarily being so wedded to where the category.
I think if you were to look right now our position really hasn't changed I think we believe the category is going to be call at around 2%. This year historically were more like three to four but also build over time.
Howard A. Friedman: I think we believe the category is going to be, you know, call it around 2% this year, you know, historically, we're more like three to four, but also build over time. And that the composition of that growth, you know, certainly for us, will be more volume-led than price-led, again, given just the nature of all of the distribution opportunities we have. So category may be a little muted versus history, but building over time and highly consistent with our position as what we said in December. Great. Thanks, Howard.
And the composition of that growth certainly for us will be more volume led then then price led again given just the nature of all of the distribution opportunities. We have so category, maybe a little muted.
Versus history, but building overtime and that's highly consistent with our position that what we said at December.
Great. Thanks Howard thank.
Ajay Kataria: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Peter Galbo with Bank of America. Your line is open. Hey guys, good morning.
Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of Peanut Down-low with Bank of America. Your line is open.
Hey, guys good morning.
Good morning.
Ajay Kataria: Um, Ajay, I may have missed it in your comments, but did you give an outlook for 24 just on your expected kind of COGS inflation and maybe how you're thinking about gross margin for the year? Not specifically, but we can we can talk about it. So the input cost inflation outlook that we are looking at is relatively flat for the year. We do get benefits on the commodities, but then we have some inflation that's offsetting in labor and transportation. And within commodities, there are pluses and minuses. You know, cooking oils are doing well, potatoes are seasonal as they are, and then we have some cost inflation in other areas. But that's the outlook on commodities.
<unk> I I may have missed it in your in your comments, but did you give an outlook for 24 just on on your expected kind of causes inflation and maybe how you were thinking about gross margin for the year.
Not specifically, but we can we can talk about it.
B b input cost inflation outlook that we are looking at is relatively flat for the year, we do get benefits on the commodities, but then we have some inflation, that's offsetting and labor and transform transportation and within commodities. There are pluses and minuses cooking oils are going well and data.
R C.
Seasonal as they are.
And then we have some cost inflation in other areas, but.
But that's that's the outlook on commodities and then we can talk gross margin as well we.
Ajay Kataria: And then we can talk gross margin as well. We expect Gross Margins are to be a net benefit. We have a productivity program, as we have talked about ramping, and price net of inflation is going to be about flat, as we talked about. And, you know, net of all that, we should see about a couple hundred basis points of gross margin expansion, and then we invest some in SDNA and costs as well, and then we net out. Great. I got it. Okay, very helpful.
We expect gross margins to be a net benefit we have productivity program as we have talked about cramping.
Price medical inflation is going to be about flat as we talked about.
Net of all all that we should see about a couple of hundred basis points of gross margin expansion and then being less Salman that's DNA and cost as well and then.
EBITDA.
Got it Okay very helpful. And then maybe just on the marketing piece.
Ajay Kataria: And then maybe just on the marketing piece. I want to make sure I heard you correctly. I think you said a 40% increase for 24. But what's the base?
I want to make sure I heard you correctly I think you said 40 per cent increase 724, just what what's the base I think there's a couple of numbers in the 10-K.
Ajay Kataria: I think there's a couple of numbers in the 10k. So just want to make sure that we have the right base of kind of total marketing spend for 23 to work off of. Yeah, it's a little less than 1% in 23. Okay, thanks very much, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Pete.
So I just want to make sure that we have the right bass, a kind of total marketing spend for 23 to work off of.
Yeah, it's a little less than 1% and.
23.
Got it okay. Thanks, very much guys.
Thank you thanks for Ya.
Next question comes from the line of Mike and leaving with Piper Sender. Your line is open.
Howard A. Friedman: The next question comes from the line of Michael Lavery with Piper Sander. Thank you. Good morning. Morning, Mike.
Thank you in the morning.
Good morning, Mike Monica.
Howard A. Friedman: Morning. Just wanted to come back to distribution opportunities and maybe see if you could give us a sense of what you had a year and a half or so ago, like Publix, where, you know, you brought in a pretty full range of products and brands against little or nothing to start with, and in the West or Midwest, it would seem like you could have some more opportunities like that. But then you also have plenty of instances where a brand like On the Border, for example, may live without much else in the portfolio and vice versa. So how much of your upside is from kind of more geographical white space and how much is from sort of depth of, you know, broadening the portfolio where you exist already? And how do we think about how that might play out over the course of the year or even a little beyond? Yeah, I'll take that, Mike.
Just wanted to come back to distribution opportunities and.
Maybe see if you could give us a sense you've had things.
You're in a half or so ago like public square.
Oh, you you brought in a pretty full range of products and brands against the littler anything to start with them.
In the west or Midwest. It would seem like you could have some more opportunities like that but then.
You also have plenty of instances where Britain like on the border for example, you may.
Live with without much else in the portfolio and vice versa. So how.
How much of your upside is from.
More geographical white space or and how much is from sort of depth.
Broadening the portfolio, where you would just exist already and how do we think about how that might play out over the course of the year or even a little beyond.
Yeah, I'll I'll take that Mike.
Howard A. Friedman: Look, I think for us, distribution remains a significant part of our story, both in the expansion geographies as well as in the core. So the short answer to your question is, I think both are important as we go forward. You know, within our core, we are focused on making sure that we're bringing brands like Zaps and Boulder Canyon into our core markets where we have, you know, a heavy share presence, and that will progress as we go through the course of the year. And then as you start to think about the expansion geographies, a couple of things. One, I think we have an opportunity to continue to solidify Florida as a fast growing, highly significant contributor to our overall growth rate.
Alright, I think for US distribution remains a significant part of our story.
Both in the expansion Geography's as well as in the course of the so the short answer to your your question is I think both are important as we go forward.
Within our core we're focused on making sure that we're bringing brands like zaps in Boulder Canyon into our core markets, where we have had.
Heavy share presence and that will progress as we go through the course of the year and then as you start to start to think about.
The expansion Geography's a couple of things one I think we have an opportunity to continue to solidify Florida as a fast growing highly kind of high high contributor to our overall growth rate.
Howard A. Friedman: As we continue to move that business from, you know, what has been an expansion market into our core over the next couple of years, it is still only about three and a half percent market share in Florida. So we have some significant opportunities there. And then really starting to look west, places like Michigan and the upper Midwest, where, you know, we're entering into bringing our assortment in. And then I think the last thing is that in Texas. We did buy back the rights to OTB for us to be able to distribute. And just as a reminder, you know, Texas is the largest OTB market.
As we continue to move that business from what has been an expansion market into our core over the next couple of years are still only about 3% to 5% market share in Florida. So we have some significant opportunities there and then really starting to look worse places like Michigan and in the upper Midwest, where we're making we're entering into.
<unk> and then I think the last thing is within in taxes, we did buy back the rights to OTB.
For us to be able to trade and just as a reminder, you know, Texas is the largest OTB market. So there's there's significant opportunity. There we have no lack of opportunities on distribution, what we need to make sure is like everywhere else that we continue to executed with excellence that we contribute to the customer.
Howard A. Friedman: So there's a significant opportunity there. We have no lack of opportunities in distribution. What we need to make sure, like everywhere else, that we continue to execute it with excellence, that we contribute to the customer and category performance, and that we drive what we are a playbook and do what we know how to do. I think all those things together are giving us confidence in our top line algorithm. No, that's a great color.
And category performance and that we we drive what we are playbook and do what we know how to do all those things together are giving us confidence in our top line algorithms.
No that that's a great color. Thank you in just a follow up on zaps. It's.
Howard A. Friedman: Thank you. And just a follow up on the zaps. It's one of your most differentiated brands but still seems to have Yeah, so I agree with you, I think Zaps is probably one of the clearer brands that we have in our portfolio. And when you think about the brand, what it really stands for is flavor, right, and sort of interesting and, and high flavor, high flavor for our consumer. And so that's why, in some cases, food service works so well because food service is a place where consumers are willing to experiment and choose what they want to eat. And so Zaps is a nice complement to it.
One of your most differentiated brands, but still seems to have.
A bit of a more regional skew we've seen it.
In food service at least it like a potbellies I think it was for example, how how much cannot type of.
Is there more of a <unk> food service opportunity I guess is part of the question and the other part is how much cannot help lead to retail distribution, just from something build awareness or trial, and and and kind of spread.
Spread it swings around the country a little more.
So so I agree with you I think is absolute is probably one of the one of the clearer and add brands that we have in our portfolio and when you think about the brand what it really stands for his flavor.
Howard A. Friedman: I think from my perspective, Zaps can be a national brand; it will take time, but it will build over time. That's why we put it sort of in our power for brands and really continue to stand for high flavor impact eating. So you know, if you look at Spicy Cajun as a product that we're launching in flavored pretzels this year, we'll have more items along that vein of flavor and exploration rooted, obviously, in the New Orleans food culture, which is where Zaps started. So, you know, my inner marketing guy comes out a little bit when we talk about this brand, but I agree with you principally that it's got Okay, thanks so much.
And sort of interesting and and high flavor.
Hi flavor for our consumer and so that's why in some cases food service works, so well because food services, a place where consumers are willing to experiment and choose what they want to eat and so is <unk> is a nice complement to it.
I think from my perspective.
<unk> can be a national brand it will take it will build over time, that's why we put it sort of in our power for brands.
And really continue to stand for pie flavor impact on eating so if you look at spicy Cajun as a product that we're launching in flavored pretzels. This year will have we will have more items along that vein of flavor and.
And exploration rooted obviously and the New Orleans food culture, which is where is apps started so my inner marketing Guy comes out a little bit when we talk about this brand, but I agree with you principally that it's got a lot of runway.
Okay. Thanks, so much.
Howard A. Friedman: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Robert Moskow with TD Cowell. Your line is open. Hi there, Howard.
Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of <unk>. Your line is open.
Hi, there Howard good morning, So a couple of questions.
Howard A. Friedman: Good morning. So I have a couple of questions. Um, one is that the core geographies lost market share in the fourth quarter. I think you probably covered that in investor day. But is there anything about the performance there that you can call out that's causing the share losses that you want to address? And second, I think a big competitor of yours said that the value-seeking behavior by consumers is playing out in a shift towards smaller bags. Are you seeing a similar dynamic?
One is at.
The core Geography's lost market share and fourth quarter I think he probably covered it any investor day, but is there anything.
The performance there you can call out.
Causing the share losses that you want to address.
And then second I think I've been competitive here said that the value of seeking behavior by consumers is playing out in a shift towards smaller bags.
Are you seeing a similar dynamic and if so heavier accelerated your supply chain mix to.
Howard A. Friedman: And if so, have you accelerated your supply chain mix to meet the consumer in that direction? Yeah, so thank you for the question. Let me answer the core question first. Yeah, I think our biggest issue for us in the core was really our foundation brands, which, frankly, kind of validates the portfolio strategy and some of the activities we just did in the divestment of a couple of our brands. If you were to look at our power brands, we were actually net share takers. So as we continue to simplify some of the foundation brand portfolio roles, we would expect more of our power brands to shine through with results. So, you know, I think that's the biggest opportunity for us. It's kind of why we have tried to narrow our focus a little bit and make sure that we're putting our shoulder into the brands that are obviously the vast majority of our sales and should be the ones that are spending the vast majority of our time and letting their performance, you know, kind of come through. Um, with respect to smaller sizes, look, there's no question that They are looking for absolute price points; they're shopping smaller sizes for sure.
To meet the consumer in that direction.
Yes.
Thank you for the question, let me I'll answer the core question first.
I think our biggest the biggest issue for us in the Corps was really our foundation brands, which frankly kind of validates the portfolio strategy and some of the activities. We just did on a divestment of a couple of our branch. If you were to look at our power brands. We were actually net share takers. So as we continue to simplify some of the foundation.
Portfolio roles, we would expect more of the of our power brands to shine through with results. So you know I think that's the biggest opportunity for US continues to be kind of why we have tried to narrow our focus a little bit and make sure that we're putting our shoulder into the brands that are obviously the vast majority of our sales.
And should be the ones that are spending the vast majority of our time and let their performance kind of come through.
With respect to smaller sizes.
There is no question that we are seeing consumers moving around the price ladder and it's really a couple of different issues. They are looking for absolute price points their shopping smaller sizes for sure. We also and some of the price back architecture. Virtually did also made some changes at the higher end of are at the top end of our ladder on things.
Howard A. Friedman: We also, you know, in some of the price pack architecture work we did, also made some changes at the higher end of our, at the top end of our ladder, on things like pork and cheese, which also came through in our results. So we are responding to where consumers want and need us to be, but, you know, and while I definitely agree that there is an index towards smaller sizes, I think we need to be mindful of the entire ladder and make sure we're covering the price points that any shopper, wherever they are, can hit and get the products that they want. Okay, I hate to cut it this finely, but in the core market, if you Xed out the foundation brands that you've divested now, do you think you would be growing with your category, or is it tough math to do? I don't well, in the fourth corner, I don't believe we would have gained a share within the market. If you ask those out, the math is pretty, you know, relatively straightforward.
Like to work and cheese.
Which also came through in our results. So we are responding to where consumers need want and need us to be but I N. While.
While I definitely agree that there is an index towards smaller sizes, I think we need to be mindful of the entire ladder and make sure we're covering the price points that whenever any shopper wherever they are can hit and get the products that they won.
Okay, I I hate to cut this finally, but in the core markets. If you <unk>. The foundation brands that you've divested now do you think you would be growing with your category or is it is it tough math to do.
Well in the fourth quarter I don't believe we would have grown share.
Within the market you actually goes out.
The math is pretty relatively straightforward.
Howard A. Friedman: But I do, I do expect that that will be a positive for us over time over the course of the year, especially as we address some of the work we talked about on investor day around DSD route splits, making sure that we're driving our distribution gains for our core brands. Again, I think we've got a lot of support from our core market retailers to execute our growth playbook, which should come through as we go. Great All right. Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Rupesh Parikh with an open timer.
But I do I do expect that that will be a positive for us over time over the course of the year, especially as we address some of the work we talked about an investor day around DSD round splits, making sure that we're driving our distribution gains of our core.
Brands again, I think we've got a lot of support from our core market retailers.
Execute our growth playbook, which should come through as we go.
Great Alright, thank you thank.
Thank you.
Next question comes from the line <unk> Oppenheimer.
Okay Heimer your line is open.
Ajay Kataria: Your line is open. Good morning, thanks for taking my question. So I have two quick ones.
Good morning, Thanks for taking my question. So I took two quick ones. So first just wanted to understand what you're free cash flow guidance is for this year and then as you look at the longer term algorithm clearly with that accretive asset disposition and you guys are you know it seems to be about the double digit EPS growth at least for this year. So as we look out to the Audi <unk> I'll take away.
Ajay Kataria: So first, just want to understand your free cash flow guidance for this year. And then if you look at the longer term algorithm, you know, clearly with that creative asset disposition, you guys are, you know, it seems to be above double-digit EPS growth, at least for this year. So as we look out to the next couple of years, did that at all take away from your ability to do double digit EPS growth in 25 and, Yeah, so I'll take those Rupesh. First, free cash flow. We expect about 20 to 30 million free cash flow in 2024.
From the ability to do double duty EPS growth in 25 or 26.
Yeah, So I'll I'll take those refresh first free cash flow.
We expect about 20 to 30 million.
Free cash flow and 2024.
Ajay Kataria: And you know, that is primarily because we are stepping up our investments in capital. Then the other question that you had around double-digit EPS growth, we are maintaining the, what we said at Investor Day, we should see double-digit EPS growth moving forward as our earnings grow and we do some more work around the supply chain. Great, thank you. The next question comes from the line of Nick Modi with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
That is primarily.
Because we are stepping up our investments and capital.
Then the other question that you had.
Double digit EPS growth, we are maintaining the what we said at Investor day, we should see double digit EPS growth moving forward as our earnings grow and we do some more work around supply chain optimization.
Great. Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of sneak Moody with RBC capital markets. Your line is open.
Thank you good morning, everyone.
I wanted to in the morning, I just wanted to <unk> on the 2020 guidance and.
Howard A. Friedman: I wanted to, good morning, I just wanted to probe on the 2024 guidance and just the shape, right? Because one of the key themes that I think we've seen this earnings season broadly is, you know, kind of softer first half but much better second half. And I just, Howard, Ajay, I just wanted to get your commentary on, you know, outside of asymmetric, like, you know, easier comparisons or lapping pricing and things like that. I mean, do you just expect that the consumer is going to improve as we get deeper into the year? I would love it if you could just tie in your thoughts on the general consumer and what's going on in the consumer environment. That would be really helpful. Yeah, I'll take that, Nick.
Just a shape right because one of the key things that I think we've seen this earnings season broadly.
You know kind of softer first have it much better second half and I just <unk> I just wanted to get your commentary on you know.
Outside of asymmetric like easier comparisons are lapping pricing and things like that I mean do you do you just expect that the consumer is going to improve as we get deeper into the year just would love kind of you can just tie in your thoughts on the general consumer what's going on the consumer environment that would be really helpful.
Yeah, I'll I'll I'll take that.
A couple of things I think one and as you think about our guide what we would expect consistent with our Investor day is that we will build.
Howard A. Friedman: Look, I think a couple of things. One, as you think about our guide, what we would expect consistent with our investor day is that we will build over time and into our long-term algorithm as we go through the course of the year. And that's really driven by a couple of things for us. First, our distribution gains, which we anticipate will build over the course of the year. So obviously, as they build, so will our volume. Second, we have incremental innovation this year; we're launching a mixed minis pretzel, and we have a wave of zaps flavored pretzels. We're expanding Boulder Canyon into poppers; we have some innovation and cheese on Jack's Macs.
Overtime and into our long term algorithm as we go through the course of the year and that's really driven by a couple of things for US first is our distribution game gains that that that we anticipate will build over the course of the year. So that obviously as they build so so to will our volume second we have incremental innovation.
This year, we're launching a mixed <unk> pretzel, we have a waiver zaps flavored pretzels, we're expanding Boulder canyon into poppers, we have some innovation and cheese.
On Jack's Max so those things naturally billed at towards the tail end of the first quarter as we get them into the market and adult through the course of the year and then lastly, our marketing spend will wrap up two by 40% this year as we break.
Howard A. Friedman: So those things naturally build toward the tail end of the first quarter as we get them into the market and then build through the course of the year. And then lastly, you know, our marketing spend will ramp up to, you know, by 40% this year as we break, as we break campaigns for zaps and huts, largely in the second quarter. In terms of your question, is there anything peculiar going on? The one place that I would offer you is last year. We had some opportunities on Golden Flake and cheese that impacted us; we had a Birmingham transition, not to pick at old wounds. But we had a Birmingham transition that didn't necessarily go as well as we would have liked.
As we break campaigns for zaps in us like largely in the second quarter in terms of your question is there any anything peculiar going on the the one place that I would offer us last year, we had some opportunities on Golden Flake G and cheese that.
That impacted us we had to Birmingham transition not to pick at old wounds.
But later Birmingham transition that didn't necessarily go as well as we would've liked and those things as we laughed and will also be supportive of.
Howard A. Friedman: And those things, as we lap them, will also be supportive of a guide that basically shows our volumes build through the course of the. Okay, that's very helpful. And just kind of an off the wall question, totally random, but, you know, as I get into the market and just kind of see what's going on there are some of the emerging brands, emerging concepts, you know; new substrates are obviously a big area of growth within the snacking category, cauliflower, chickpea, etc. Obviously, you have plenty of upside with your existing portfolio. But I just wanted to kind of pick your brain on how you think about some of those substrates.
A guy that basically our volumes bills through the course of the year.
Okay. That's very helpful and just kind of off the wall question totally random, but you know.
As as I get into the market and just kind of see what's going on there are some of the emerging brands emerging concepts new <unk>.
Substrates are obviously, a big area of growth within the snacking category cauliflower kick P et cetera.
Obviously, you have plenty of upside in with your existing portfolio, but I guess I just wanted to kind of take your brain on how you think about some of those thumps scraped and is that something that you think could be a potential growth driver at some point in the future.
Howard A. Friedman: And is that something that you think could be a potential growth driver at some point in the future? Yeah, I mean, look. I think that, over time, consumer trends and preferences are things that we should always be watching. And so as you think about things like high flavor and spice, those things have really been building over the course of 20 years to kind of where they are right now.
Yeah, I mean look I think that over over time consumer trends and preferences are things that we should always be watching and so as you think about things like high flavor and spice in heat.
Things have really been building over really the course of 20 years to kind of where they are right. Now so what we will as you can imagine we will try and sample all of those types of products from different format that I think are interesting I think we can make a great product a question as to your 0.1 of focus in the near term, but over the long term I would like to be.
Howard A. Friedman: So we will, as you can imagine, we will try and sample all of those types of products from different formats that I think are interesting. I think we can make a great product. The question is, to your point, what do we want to focus on in the near term?
Howard A. Friedman: But over the long term, you know, I'd like to be on that trend when it's time for us to start to help mainstream it if it comes. And if it doesn't, I think we should let the entrepreneurs continue to do what they know how to do to build and develop these markets. But the short answer is yes, we track and pay attention to all of those things.
On that trend when when it's time for us to start to help to mainstream it if it comes and if it doesn't I think we let the entrepreneur has continued to do.
What they know how to do to build and develop these markets, but but the short answer is yes, we track and pay attention to all of those things and.
Howard A. Friedman: And if the opportunity becomes attractive for us, we'll pursue it. Excellent. Thank you. I'll pass it on.
The opportunity becomes attractive for us will pursue it.
Excellent. Thank you I'll pass it on.
Ajay Kataria: Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Mitch Pinheiro with Dirty Bank and Company. Good morning.
Thank you. Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of Mitch been Hero, It's 30 Van and company. Your line is open.
Good morning, excuse me a couple of quick.
Ajay Kataria: Just a couple quick questions. So it's sort of a, with organic sales growth of 3% or better. Does that include the 45 million?
Quick question.
So.
Sort of.
With your gimmick sales growth to three per cent are better does that include the 45 million.
Ajay Kataria: So the 45 million sales impact from divestiture is that 3%, and that includes 45 million that's taken off the top. It has been taken out of the three. Okay, so it would be. Okay, got it. And then of the 3%, how do you look at that versus, you know, flat pricing? Is the rest evenly split between expansion markets and core? How should we think about that? Yeah, look, I would tell you that our overall opportunity, especially as you think about volume, is that we are expecting to grow expansion markets through distribution overall, and distribution is going to be one of the larger drivers and contributors to our overall growth this year, which is kind of why the shape of the curve happens the way that it does.
The $45 million of sales impact.
Divestiture is that.
It's 3% and and that includes $45 million was taken off the top.
It it has been taken out of the 3% number.
Okay. So it would be.
Okay got it and then of the three per cent.
How do you look at that verse you know.
Flat pricing.
Is the rest evenly split between expansion markets and core she'll.
Think about that.
Yeah, I I would.
I would tell you that our our overall opportunity is especially as you think about volume is our expectation is to grow expansion markets through distribution.
Overall and distribution is going to be one of the larger drivers and contributors to our overall growth. This year, which is kind of why the shape of the curve happens the way that it does within our core while we have we do obviously have opportunities to move distribution. It's a bigger portion of our business and that will largely be impacted private likely more by the innovation in marketing <unk>.
Ajay Kataria: Within our core, while we have, we do obviously have opportunities to move distribution, it's a bigger portion of our business. And that will largely be impacted probably likely more by the innovation and marketing support that we're getting. But if you were to, if you were to prioritize, it will be expansion geographies and distribution that will drive the majority of the growth this, Okay, but you do expect core to have, you know, I know you're, you know, part of the longer term strategy is hold the core, but you do expect core to grow in 2024? Yeah, I our expectation would be that we should be able to grow the core in the near term as well. But our expectations are also that that growth will likely be a little bit more muted, just given the maturity of the category for us. So the district because distribution overwhelms the category opportunity, that's kind of why we talk about we need to hold our share and grow in the core at customer comp or a little bit better, but really expansion markets is where we would expect. The numbers.
<unk> that we are getting but if you were not if you were to prioritize it it will be expansion geographies and distribution that will drive the majority of that growth this year.
Okay. So you do expect poor to have.
You know part of the longer term strategy is hold the corps, but could you do expect core to grow in 2024, yeah.
Yeah, I I, our expectation would be that we should be able to grow or.
In the near term as well.
But our expectations are also that that growth will likely be a little bit more muted just given the majority of the category.
For us so the district because of distribution overwhelms the category opportunity that's kind of why we talk about we need a whole our share and grow in the corps at customer comp or a little bit better, but really expansion markets is where we would expect the numbers okay.
Howard A. Friedman: Okay. And then in terms of for 2024, sort of the channel mix, can you just talk about how there is going to be a particular strength in mass? I know it was or CSTOR.
And then in terms of 2024 sort of the channel mix can you just talk about how is there gonna be a particular <unk> I know it was.
Howard A. Friedman: Can you talk a little bit about how we should think about that? Yeah, I mean, look, traditionally, the place where we are at our strongest has been traditional grocery stores, right? And so grocery has been our historic strength. What you've seen more recently in our growth is that we've sort of been growing; we've been growing across the majority of channels. And we would expect that mass national retailers' club will all be positive contributors to our growth; we have a little bit of work to do in C store, which is, which is clear to us, but ultimately, I think we'd expect that we'll be able to grow across channels, and as consumers shift, we'll do that. I think the one underappreciated piece of our growth has also been in e-commerce, where we have put our shoulder in this year and really started to develop that capability, and we continue to see very strong growth on the e-commerce side, although it's obviously a smaller channel overall at this point, but a place where we have some evidence that we can grow much faster.
Or C stores, there can you talk a little bit about how how we should think about that.
Yeah, I mean look are traditionally the the place where we are at our strongest has been traditional grocery right and so grocery has been our historic.
Strength, what you've seen more recently in our growth as we've sort of been growing we've been growing across the majority of channels.
And we would expect that mass national retailers club.
We'll all be positive contributors to our to our growth we have a little bit of work to do and see store, which is.
Which is clear to us, but ultimately I think we would expect that we will be able to grow across channels and this consumer shift will do that I think the one under appreciated piece of our growth has also been an ecommerce where we have put our shoulder and this year and really starting to develop that capability and we can continue to.
See.
Very strong growth.
E Commerce site, although it's obviously a smaller channel overall at this point, but in a place where we have.
Some evidence that we can we can very much faster.
Okay, and then I guess this last question.
Howard A. Friedman: And then, I guess, just last question. You know, you talk a lot about getting your leverage down, which is certainly a positive, but in the same breath, you also talked about M&A, and that is 2024 going to be just a year of debt paydown, and M&A is more of a 2526 thought. I think the thing about M&A is it comes when it comes.
You know you you you talk a lot about getting your leverage down which is certainly a positive.
The same in the same breath, we also talk about M&A.
Is that is 2024 gonna be just a year of debt pay down and M&A is more of a 25 26.
I think the thing about M&A as M&A comes when M&A comes.
Howard A. Friedman: Right. And so I think what we wanted to do this year with our leverage was to get into a position where we could objectively start looking again and make sure that it was something that we could execute with excellence. But I think that as we continue to push forward, we will look at whatever's in the best interest of us overall. I think M&A could come. But we'll have to wait and find out whether or not there's a deal to be done at a price that we find attractive. All right. Well, thank you very much.
And so I think what we wanted to do this year with our God.
With our leverage was to get into a position where we could.
Objectively start looking again and make sure that it was something that we could execute.
Excellence, but I think that as we continue to push forward. We will we will look across whatever's in the best interest of odds overall so.
I think M&A could come.
But it will have to wait and find out whether or not there is a a a deal to be done at a price that we find attractive.
Okay, Alright, well, thank you very much.
Howard A. Friedman: Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Matt McKinley with Needham.
Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of Smack Mckinley he'd need EM. Your line is open.
Howard A. Friedman: So you already stated that pricing isn't expected to be a factor in top line growth this year. But could there be additional opportunities for price adjustments like you made in the fourth quarter that would make your portfolio more competitive? And why was that price adjustment just limited to the fourth quarter? Was that a change in promotion that was a one-time thing in the fourth quarter? Or was that a long-term adjustment that was like a list price change that could potentially reverberate through the entire year?
Thank you you already stated that pricing isn't expected to be a factor in top line growth this year, but could there be additional opportunities for price adjustments like you need in the fourth quarter that would make your portfolio more competitive and one was that price, suggesting just limited to the fourth quarter was that a change in promotion that was a one time thing in the fourth quarter or was that a longterm.
<unk> like a list price change that would.
Then she could reverberate through the.
Three three in the next year.
Howard A. Friedman: Yeah, so a couple of things. One, I think we were pretty comfortable with our flat pricing assumption for the year. I think one of the things I would offer you is price pack architecture changes actually work in both directions, not just down; they can, they can go up. But as we looked at things like pork and cheese, which were opportunities for us, you know, imagine a barrel the size of your head and you're paying quite a bit more money, we had an opportunity to sharpen that price point so that we could maintain consumer value and expectations. So we made that choice.
Yeah. So a couple of things I think we are pretty comfortable with our flat pricing assumption for the year.
One of the things I would offer you as price back architecture changed.
Change is actually work in both directions, not just down they can they can go up but as we looked at things like pork and cheese, which had been opportunities for us.
Barrel of the size of your head.
And you are paying quite a bit more money, we had a we had an opportunity to sharpen that price point. So that we can maintain consumer value and expectations. So we made the choice I think the other thing is practically.
Howard A. Friedman: I think the other thing is that, practically, we have customers who are interested in us, and we've been partnering really well with them, and we want to make sure that we are getting opportunities to be able to drive the business and drive distribution more broadly. So there were a couple of investments that we made at the end of the year, which were really more about testing and probing to see what we could do with them, and they wound up actually having a greater response overall than we would have necessarily expected. So look, I think that pricing will go up and will likely not be a major contributor. We're not doing anything with list at the moment.
We have customers who are interested in us and we've been partnering really well with and we want to make sure that we are getting opportunities to.
Be able to drive the business and drive the distribution more broadly so there were a couple of.
The investments that we made at the end of the year, which were really more about testing and probing to see what we could do with them that wound up actually having greater response. Overall, then we would have.
Necessarily expected so look I think that pricing.
Will likely not be a.
Major contributor we're not doing anything with list at the moment.
Howard A. Friedman: Like, you know, I think list is somewhat of a brute force idea versus a better price pack architecture discipline where we maintain our price gaps and maintain our competitive, Got it. And just just a quick one on the CapEx guide. I just want to make sure it's in the nuances. So the average over the next three years is supposed to be five percent. But this year it is a little bit higher than that, 80 to 90.
I think list as a.
Is somewhat of a more brute force idea versus a better price pack architecture.
Discipline, where we maintain our price caps and maintain our competitiveness.
Got it and just just a quick one on the Capex got it I just want to make sure I understand the nuance.
Average over the next three years is supposed to be 5%, but this year is a little bit higher than that at 80 to 90 725, and 26, you are going to be more like $70 million Sir.
Ajay Kataria: So in twenty-five and twenty-six, you're going to be more like 70 million or so. Yeah, we'll average out to 5%. As we talked about at Investor Day, we're just simply pulling forward some some dollars into Got it. Thank you. Next slide. Thank you. Next question comes from the line of James Salera with Stevens. Hi, guys. Good morning.
Yeah, we will average out to 5% as we talked about at Investor Day, We had just simply putting forward. Some some dollars into 2024.
Okay got it thank you.
Okay.
Thank you.
Next question comes from the line of <unk>, which defense your line is open.
Hi, good morning.
We have to ask.
Howard A. Friedman: We have to ask about advertising. I think we're all excited to see what the brands can do with a little bit more ad support behind them. Can you maybe just give some color on the decision? It sounds like the Midwest is the first beneficiary of that increased ad support.
On the the advertising I think we're all excited see with the brands can do with a little bit more add support behind them can you maybe just give some color on the decision to it sounds like the mid West is the first beneficiary of that increase add support just a thought around that as the market is just because it's tangent to.
Howard A. Friedman: Just a thought around that as a market is just because it's tangent to kind of your core market right now or anything that makes you particularly excited about the Midwest. Yeah, I'm sorry, let me clarify that a little bit, Jim. I think we're what we expect is that our distribution expansion is really focused on the Midwest, and our advertising and consumer will support UTZ and ZAPS appropriately across the markets and consumer bases that they are. So, you know, we're excited about the opportunity to increase the ANC and actually take these brands to a higher level of, you know, what I would consider more pull marketing. So it'll primarily start with ZAPS and UTZ, and it will be a little bit broader than just the Midwest. Retail media is obviously an important and consistent with our business over time and brands overnight business overnight and brands over time. Excuse me.
Kind of your core market right now or anything that makes you, particularly excited about the Midwest.
I'm sorry, let me, let me clarify that a little bit Jim I think aware of what we expect is that our distribution expansion Israeli focused on on the Midwest.
Alright are advertising and consumer will support us and zaps appropriately in across the markets and consumer basis that they are so we're excited about the opportunity to increase the agency and actually take these brands to.
To a higher level of what I would consider more poll marketing emphasis so.
Primarily start with zaps, and us and it will be a little bit broader than.
Then just it won't specifically be to the Midwest retail media is obviously, an important and consistent with our business over time and brands overnight.
This over night and brands overtime excuse me and so we will continue to invest in retail media as well with with customers as we're expanding our distribution, but pure consumer will be will be a little bit broader based on just the Midwest.
Howard A. Friedman: And so, you know, we'll continue to invest in retail media as well as with customers as we're expanding our distribution, but pure consumer will be a little bit broader based than just the Midwest. Um, can you maybe give us a tease of some of the messaging that we're going to see in that? I mean, is it an emphasis on kind of the fact that zaps is much more differentiated than a lot of brands? Is it kind of a value-based messaging, given, you know, the consumer constraints, and any value go up there would be helpful? Yeah, it will not be value-based messaging, but it will actually be much more of what is central and core to the brand.
Scott.
Can you maybe give us he's a little bit of some of the the messaging.
<unk> is it an emphasis on obviously zaps is much more differentiated been a lotta brands as it kind of a value based messaging given the consumer constraints any any color you go over there would be helpful.
Yeah, it will not be.
Value based messaging Ah what it will actually be much more of a blood is central in court or the brand and so if you think about <unk> as a brand is a flavor forwards brand where.
Howard A. Friedman: And so if you think about Zapps as a brand, it's a flavor-forward brand where, you know, consumers who come to the brand for high impact, high flavor, and so it will be rooted more in its geography of origin. So think about New Orleans and the food scene and the flavor scene and the culture of New Orleans, of which Zapps is a part. That will be more the emphasis. And then on UTZ, you know? I think UTZ has got an incredible story to tell.
<unk>, who come to the brand for high impact high flavor, and so and it will be rooted more in its geography of origins I think about the Orleans and the food scene in the flavors seen in the culture of New Orleans at which is a part of that will be more emphasis and then on US you know I think.
<unk> got an incredible <unk>.
Story to tell and it's really around the quality and the care of what what makes that brand different and special.
Howard A. Friedman: And it's really around the quality and the care of what makes that brand different and special. And we're going to spend the time really trying to explain a little bit more about the types of things that we do to make that brand eat and experience life much differently than some others do. So, you know, more to come on that, but we're very excited. It will be very much rooted in what is central to each of those brands and why consumers opt for them.
And that and we're going to spend the time really trying to explain a little bit more about the types of things that we do to make that brand E and experienced it much differently than some others do so more to come on it but but we're very excited it will be very much rooted in the in the central.
To each of those brands and why consumers opt into it.
Howard A. Friedman: And, you know, our goal over time is to, again, give these businesses a little bit of a push marketing so that as our pull strategy over time evolves, we're ready to continue to increase the A and C and drive the business overall. Great. That's helpful. I'll hop back in the queue.
And our goal over time is to again give this dmd's business is a little bit of a of.
Of a push marketing so that as our poll strategy over time evolves, we're ready to continue to increase the AMC and drive the business overall.
Great that's helpful.
Cary D. Devore: Thanks, Jim. And we do have our last question from John Baumgartner on Mizzou. Your line is open.
Thanks, Jim Carrey.
And we do have our last question Sunshine <unk> excuse me zero your line is open.
Cary D. Devore: Good morning, thanks for the question. [inaudible] I wanted to come back to productivity savings, and could you speak to some of the larger variables there in terms of delivery in 2024 and maybe even beyond? How much of the delivery rests on coordination with third parties for work streams? How much rests on continued volume growth that breeds the efficiency programs themselves? I'm just trying to better understand your degree of visibility is and your capacity to deliver relative to, you know, more dependency on exogenous variables that could drive some bottlenecks or volatility along the way. Hey, John, it's Cary.
Good morning, Thanks for the question.
Hi, Jonathan.
I wanted to come back to you productivity savings and could you speak to some of the larger variables. There in terms of delivery in 2024, and maybe even beyond how much the delivery rests on coordination with third parties from our extremes how much rests on continued volume growth at breeds the efficiency programs themselves I'm, just trying to better understand.
How your degree of visibility is and capacity to deliver it relative to you know more dependency on <unk> and it's valuables that could drive some bottlenecks or volatility along the way.
Hey, John F. Kerry I'll take that great question, we're very confident in our ability to delivering our productivity I mean, we've we've been building the program over the last several years, we've added a lot of talent and processing to the to the initiative. So I think.
I'll take that. Great question. We're very confident in our ability to deliver on our productivity. I mean, we've, we've, we've been building a program over the last several years. We've added a lot of talent and process to the initiative. So I think delivery of productivity is, I would say, mostly under our control rather than reliant on exogenous factors. A couple examples of where it's going to come from. I mean, we get it across the system.
Delivery of productivity I would say is mostly under our control rather than reliant on exogenous factors.
A couple of examples of where it's going to come from I mean, we get it across the system.
But when you kind of look at incremental this year, relative to last year, procurement is an area where we've invested in talent and analytics to really drive our numbers meaningfully higher, and productivity delivery, we'll see that this year. You know, a lot of that's been locked in in terms of where we expect that to come from. And then manufacturing automation, like the incremental CapEx that Ajay spoke about, that will go toward automation as well. So there still remains plenty of opportunity across our supply chain to pull productivity dollars, and we feel good about the delivery. Yep. (Inaudible) There are no further questions at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect. And we are now.
But when you kind of look at incremental this year relative to last year procurement is an area, where we have invested in Thailand and analytics to really drive our numbers meaningfully higher in productivity delivery will see that this year.
You know a lot of that has been locked in in terms of of where we expect that to come from.
Many fracturing automation.
But the incremental capex at a J spoke to.
That will go toward automation as well so.
Still remains plenty of opportunity across our our supply chain to pull productivity dollars and we feel good about the delivery.
Okay.
Yep.
Thanks, John.
There are no further questions at this time.
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