Q1 2024 CVR Partners LP Earnings Call
Operator: Greetings, and welcome to the CVR Partners first quarter 2024 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Richard Roberts, Vice President of FP&A and Investor Relations. Thank you, sir. You may begin.
Greetings and welcome to the CVR partners first quarter 2024 conference call.
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Richard J. Roberts: A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation.
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Operator: It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Richard Roberts, Vice President of our P&A in Investor Relations. Thank you Sir you may begin.
Richard J. Roberts: Thank you, Christine. Good morning, everyone.
Richard J. Roberts: Thank you Christine good morning, everyone. We appreciate your participation in today's call with me today are Mark <unk>, Our Chief Executive Officer, Dan Newman, Our Chief Financial Officer, and other members of management.
Richard J. Roberts: We appreciate your participation in today's call. With me today are Mark Pytosh, our Chief Executive Officer; Dane Neumann, our Chief Financial Officer; and other members of Vanity Fair. Prior to discussing our 2024 first quarter results, let me remind you that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements, as that term is defined under federal securities laws. For this purpose, any statements made during this call that are not statements of historical facts may be deemed to be forward-looking statements.
Richard J. Roberts: Prior to discussing our 2024 first quarter results. Let me remind me that this conference call may contain forward looking statements as that term is defined under federal securities laws for.
Richard J. Roberts: For this purpose any statements made during this call that are not statements of historical facts may be deemed to be forward looking statements.
Richard J. Roberts: You were cautioned that these statements may be affected by important factors set forth in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in our latest earnings release. As a result, actual operations or results may differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statement. We undertake no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except to the extent required by law.
Richard J. Roberts: You are cautioned that these statements maybe affected by important factors set forth in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in our latest earnings release as a result actual operations or results may differ materially from the results discussed in the forward looking statements. We undertake no obligation to publicly update any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information future events or otherwise except to the extent required by law.
Richard J. Roberts: This call also includes various non-GAAP financial measures. The disclosures related to such non-GAAP measures, including reconciliation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures, are included in our 2024 first quarter earnings release that we filed with the SEC for the period. Let me also remind you that we are a variable distribution MLP. We will review our previously established reserves, current cash usage, evaluate future anticipated cash needs, and may reserve amounts for other future cash needs as determined by our general partners board.
Richard J. Roberts: This call also includes various non-GAAP financial measures the disclosures related to such non-GAAP measures, including reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our 2024 first quarter earnings release that we filed with the SEC for the period.
Richard J. Roberts: Let me also remind you that we are variable distribution MLP. We will review our previously established reserves current cash usage evaluate future anticipated cash needs and May reserve amounts for other future cash needs as determined by our general Partners' Board.
Richard J. Roberts: As a result, our distributions, if any, will vary from quarter to quarter due to several factors including, but not limited to, operating performance, fluctuations in the prices received for finished products, capital expenditures, and cash reserves deemed necessary or appropriate by the Board of Directors of our general partners. With that said, I'll turn the call over to Mark Pytosh, our Chief Executive Officer.
Richard J. Roberts: As a result, our distributions if any will vary from quarter to quarter due to several factors, including but not limited to operating performance fluctuations in the prices received for finished products capital expenditures and cash reserves deemed necessary or appropriate by the board of directors of our general partner.
Mark A. Pytosh: That said I'll turn the call over to Mark <unk>, Our Chief Executive Officer Mark. Thank.
Mark A. Pytosh: Thank you, Richard. Good morning, everyone.
Mark A. Pytosh: Thank you Richard Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for today's first quarter earnings call.
Mark A. Pytosh: And thank you for joining us for today's first quarter earnings call. The summarized financial highlights for the first quarter of 2024 include net sales of $128 million and net income of $13 million. EBITDA of $40 million, and the Board of Directors declared a first quarter distribution of $1.92 per common unit, which will be paid on May 20th to unit holders of record at the close of the market on May 13th. For the first quarter of 2024, our facilities achieved a consolidated ammonia plant utilization of 90%, which was impacted by a 14-day planned outage at our Coffeyville facility during the quarter.
Mark A. Pytosh: The summarized financial highlights for the first quarter of 2024 included net sales of 128 million net income of $13 million.
Mark A. Pytosh: EBITDA of $40 million and the board of directors declared a first quarter distribution of $1 92 per common unit, which will be paid on may 20th to unit holders of record at the close of the market on may 13th.
Mark A. Pytosh: For the first quarter of 2024, our facilities achieved a consolidated ammonia plant utilization of 90%, which was impacted by a 14 day planned outage at our Coffeyville facility in the quarter.
Mark A. Pytosh: Combined ammonia production for the first quarter of 2024 was 193,000 growth tons, of which 60,000 net tons were available for sale, and UAM production was 305,000 tons. During the quarter, we sold approximately 284,000 tons of UAN at an average price of $267 per ton and approximately 70,000 tons of ammonia at an average price of $528 per ton. Relative to the first quarter of 2023, ammonia sales volumes were higher as a result of favorable weather allowing farmers to apply ammonia earlier in the year, while UAN sales volumes were lower primarily due to lower production volumes in the quarter.
Mark A. Pytosh: Combined ammonia production for the first quarter of 2024 was 193000 gross tons of which 60000 net tons were available for sale and.
Mark A. Pytosh: In U a N production was 305000 tonnes during.
Mark A. Pytosh: During the quarter, we sold approximately 284000 tons of UA and at an average price of $267 per ton and approximately 70000 tons of ammonia at an average price of 400 $528 per ton.
Mark A. Pytosh: Relative to the first quarter of 2023 ammonia sales volumes were higher as a result of favorable weather, allowing farmers to apply ammonia earlier in the year, while you and sales volumes were lower primarily due to lower production volumes in the quarter.
Mark A. Pytosh: Prices for the first quarter declined from the first quarter of last year, with ammonia prices falling 41% and UAN prices falling 42%. However, nitrogen fertilizer pricing for the first quarter remained fairly steady with fourth quarter 2023 pricing, and demand for ammonia was strong, driven by favorable weather conditions. Inventory levels across the system remain fairly tight, particularly for UAN, and we remain optimistic about fertilizer demand for the remainder of the spring planting season, which I will discuss further in my closing remarks. I will now turn the call over to Dane to discuss our financial results. Thank you, Mark.
Mark A. Pytosh: Prices for the first quarter declined from the first quarter of last year with ammonia prices falling 41% in U a N prices falling 42%.
Dane: Nitrogen fertilizer pricing for the first quarter remained fairly steady with fourth quarter 2023 pricing and demand for ammonia was strong driven by favorable weather conditions and inventory.
Dane: Inventory levels across the system remained fairly tight, particularly for U a N and we remain optimistic about fertilizer demand for the remainder of the spring planting season, which I will discuss further in my closing remarks, I will now turn the call over to Dave to discuss our financial results. Thank you Mark for the first quarter of 2024, we reported net.
Dane J. Neumann: For the first quarter of 2024, we reported net sales of $128 million and operating income of $20 million. Net income for the quarter was $13 million, or $1.19 per common unit, and EBITDA was $40 million. Relative to the first quarter of 2023, the decline in EBITDA was primarily due to lower market prices for ammonia and UAN.
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Dane J. Neumann: Net income for the quarter was $13 million or $1 19 per common unit and EBITDA was $40 million.
Dane J. Neumann: Relative to the first quarter of 2023 the decline in EBITDA was primarily due to lower market prices for ammonia and U N.
Dane J. Neumann: Direct operating expenses for the first quarter of 2024 were $56 million. Excluding inventory impacts, direct operating expenses decreased by approximately $6 million relative to the first quarter of 2023, primarily due to lower natural gas and electricity costs. During the first quarter of 2024, we spent $5 million on capital projects, which was primarily maintenance capital. We estimate total capital spending for 2024 to be approximately $46-49 million, of which $33-35 million is expected to be maintenance capital.
Dane J. Neumann: Direct operating expenses for the first quarter of 2024 were $56 million.
Dane J. Neumann: Excluding inventory impacts direct operating expenses decreased by approximately $6 million relative to the first quarter of 2023, primarily due to lower natural gas and electricity costs.
Dane J. Neumann: During the first quarter of 2024, we spent $5 million on capital projects, which was primarily maintenance capital.
Dane J. Neumann: Total capital spending for 2024 to be approximately $46 million to $49 million of which $33 million to $35 million is expected to be maintenance capital we.
Dane J. Neumann: We anticipate a significant portion of the profit and growth capital spending plan for 2024 will be funded through cash reserves taken in 2023 and 2024. We ended the quarter with total liquidity of $108 million, which consisted of $65 million in cash and availability under the ABL facility of $43 million. Within our cash balance of $65 million, we had $13 million related to customer prepayments for the future delivery of products. In assessing our cash available for distribution, we generated EBITDA of $40 million and had net cash needs of $20 million for interest costs, maintenance CapEx, and other reserves.
Dane J. Neumann: We anticipate a significant portion of the profit and growth capital spending plan for 2024 will be funded through cash reserves taken in 2023 and 2024.
Dane J. Neumann: We ended the quarter with total liquidity of $108 million, which consisted of $65 million in cash and availability under the ABL facility of $43 million.
Dane J. Neumann: Within our cash balance of $65 million, we had $13 million related to customer prepayments for the future delivery of product.
Dane J. Neumann: In assessing our cash available for distribution, we generated EBITDA of $40 million and had net cash needs of $20 million for interest cost maintenance capex and other reserves.
Dane J. Neumann: As a result, there was $20 million of cash available for distribution, and the Board of Directors of our general partner declared a distribution of $1.92 per common unit. Looking ahead to the second quarter of 2024, we estimate our ammonia utilization rate to be between 95 and 100 percent. We expect direct operating expenses, excluding inventory impacts, to be between $50 and $55 million and total capital spending to be between $15 and $20 million. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Mark.
Dane J. Neumann: As a result, there was $20 million of cash available for distribution and the board of directors of our general partner declared a distribution of $1 92 per common unit.
Dane J. Neumann: Looking ahead to the second quarter of 2024, we estimate our ammonia utilization rate to be between 95 and 100%.
Dane J. Neumann: We expect direct operating expenses, excluding inventory impacts to be between 50, and 55 million and total capital spending to be between 15% and $20 million that I will turn the call back over to Mark.
Mark A. Pytosh: Thanks, Dane. In summary, we are pleased with our first quarter results. Taking into account the plant outage in Coffeyville, we had good production from our facilities and experienced solid early demand for ammonia for spring pre-plant application due to favorable weather conditions. We believe market conditions are steady, and we expect to see strong demand continuing for nitrogen fertilizer for the spring 2024 planting season. In addition to the early spring movement of fertilizer in March, we have seen improved planting conditions in the southern plains with more moisture, which has led to higher demand for nitrogen fertilizer in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.
Mark: Thanks, Dave in summary, we are pleased with our first quarter results taking into account the planned outage in Coffeyville, we had good production from our facilities and experienced solid early demand for ammonia for spring pre plant application due to favorable weather conditions. We believe market conditions are steady and we expect to see strong.
Mark A. Pytosh: Demand continuing for nitrogen fertilizer for the spring 2020 for planting season.
Mark A. Pytosh: In addition to the early spring movement of fertilizer in March we have seen improved planting conditions in the southern plains with more moisture, which has led to higher demand for nitrogen fertilizer in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.
Mark A. Pytosh: Overall grain market conditions have been volatile but comparable to fourth-quarter levels, as the USDA is forecasting 90 million acres of corn will be planted in the spring of 2024, a 5% decrease compared to 95 million acres in 2023. Planted soybean acres are estimated to be 86.5 million in 2024, up 3% from 2023 levels of 84 million. Yield estimates for corn are increasing from 177 to 181 bushels per acre, and soybean yield estimates are increasing from 51 to 52 bushels per acre.
Mark A. Pytosh: Overall grain market conditions have been volatile, but comparable to fourth quarter levels as the USDA is forecasting 90 million acres of corn will be planted in the spring of 2024, 5% decrease compared to 95 million acres in 2023 planted soybean acres are estimated to be $86 5 million in 2024.
Mark A. Pytosh: Up 3% from 2023 levels of $84 million yield estimates for corn are increasing from 177 to 181 bushels per acre and soybean yield estimates are increasing from 51 to 52 bushels per acre.
Mark A. Pytosh: The USDA is now projecting grain inventory carryout levels to be approximately 17% for corn and 10% for soybeans, resulting in inventories near the 10-year averages. Grain prices are comparable to last quarter prices, with July corn at $4.50 per bushel and soybeans at nearly $11.90 per bushel.
Mark A. Pytosh: The USDA is now projecting grain inventory carryout levels to be approximately 17% of corn and 10% for soybeans, resulting in inventories near the 10 year averages.
Mark A. Pytosh: Grain prices are comparable to last quarter prices with July corn at $4 50 per bushel and soybeans at nearly 11 90 per Boe per bushel.
Mark A. Pytosh: These grain prices coupled with current fertilizer prices support attractive farmer economics, which should bode well for nitrogen fertilizer demand for the remainder of spring 2024. We believe that the length of this upward demand cycle will, in large part, be driven by grain prices staying at elevated levels, and we see fundamentals for grains remaining steady. Geopolitical risks remain high and represent a wild card for the nitrogen fertilizer industry, with meaningful fertilizer production capacity residing in countries across the Middle East, North Africa, and Russia.
Mark A. Pytosh: These grain prices, coupled with current fertilizer prices support attractive farmer, economics, which should bode well for nitrogen fertilizer demand for the remainder of spring 2024.
Mark A. Pytosh: We believe that the length of this upward demand cycle wall in large part be driven by grain prices staying at elevated levels and we see fundamentals for grain remaining steady.
Mark A. Pytosh: Geopolitical risks remain high and represent a wildcard for the nitrogen fertilizer industry with meaningful fertilizer production capacity residing in countries across the middle East North Africa and Russia.
Mark A. Pytosh: We're closely monitoring developments in the Middle East that could impact energy and fertilizer markets, and we expect the remainder of 2024 will be another period of higher than historical volatility in the business. Natural gas prices in Europe have remained flat since our last earnings call in the $7 to $9 per MMBTU range due to lower industrial demand and a warmer than expected winter.
Mark A. Pytosh: We're closely monitoring developments in the middle east that could impact energy and fertilizer markets and we expect the remainder of 2024 will be another period of higher than historical volatility in the business.
Mark A. Pytosh: Natural gas prices in Europe have remained flat since our last earnings call in the 7% to $9 per M. N V to your range due to lower industrial demand and a warmer than expected winter.
Mark A. Pytosh: While the cost to produce nitrogen fertilizer in Europe has remained lower than in 2023, it is still at the high end of the global cost curve, particularly compared to the U.S., where natural gas prices have been below $2 per MMBTU since December of 2023. We do not believe that the structural natural gas market issues in Europe have been resolved and will likely remain in effect over the next two years. At our Coffeyville facility, we are working on detailed engineering studies on the potential to utilize natural gas as an alternative feedstock to pet coke and expect to have them completed later this year.
Mark A. Pytosh: While the cost to produce nitrogen fertilizer in Europe has remained lower than in 2023, and it's still at the high end of the global cost curve, particularly compared to the U S with natural gas prices at below $2 per M. NB too since December of 2023.
Mark A. Pytosh: We do not believe that the structural natural gas market issues in Europe have been resolved and will likely remain in effect over the next two years.
Mark A. Pytosh: At our Coffeyville facility, we are working on detailed engineering studies on the potential to utilize natural gas as an alternative feedstock to pet Coke and expect to have them completed later this year.
Mark A. Pytosh: If this project is approved by the board and successfully implemented, it could give us the ability to choose the optimal feedstock mix and be the only nitrogen fertilizer plant in the US with that flexibility. We also continue to evaluate brownfield development projects at both of the production facilities that could be attractive targeted capacity increases to our existing footprint. The board elected to continue reserving capital that we expect to spend over the next two to three years and will be focused on improving reliability and redundancy at the two plants that could provide better production rates and lower downtime in the future. We expect to begin spending capital on these projects in the second half of 2024.
Mark A. Pytosh: If this project is approved by the board and successfully implemented it could give us the ability to choose the optimal feedstock mix and be the only nitrogen fertilizer plant in the U S with that flexibility.
Mark A. Pytosh: We also continue to evaluate brownfield development projects at both of the production facilities that could be attractive targeted capacity increases to our existing footprint. The board elected to continue reserving capital that we expect to spend over the next two to three years and we'll be focused on improving reliability and redundancy at the two plants.
Mark A. Pytosh: It could provide better production rates and lower downtime in the future.
Mark A. Pytosh: We expect to begin spending capital on these projects in the second half of 2024.
Mark A. Pytosh: The Union strike that began at our East Dubuque facility in October ended in late February and hourly workers began returning to operate the plant early March.
Mark A. Pytosh: The union strike that began at our East Dubuque facility in October ended in late February, and hourly workers began returning to operate the plant in early March. We wanted to thank our East Dubuque supervisory team and personnel from other CVR facilities for their excellent efforts in keeping the facility operating safely and reliably for 139 days during the strike. On March 18th, CVR Energy, our parent company, filed an AK stating that, among other things, it was evaluating potential strategic transactions, including potential options, with respect to CVR Partners. At this time, there's nothing for us to report about CVR Energy's plans, if any.
Mark A. Pytosh: Wanted to thank our east Dubuque supervisory team and personnel from other CVR facilities for their excellent efforts in keeping the facility operating safely and reliably for 139 days during the strike.
Mark A. Pytosh: On March 18th CVR Energy, our parent company filed an 8-K, stating that among other things it was evaluating potential strategic transactions, including potential options with respect to CVR partners.
Mark A. Pytosh: This time, there's nothing for us to report about CVR Energy's plans if any.
Mark A. Pytosh: The first quarter continued to demonstrate the benefits of focusing on reliability and performance in the quarter. We executed on all of the critical elements of our business plan, which include safely and reliably operating our plants with a keen focus on the health and safety of our employees contractors and communities.
Mark A. Pytosh: The first quarter continued to demonstrate the benefits of focusing on reliability and performance. During the quarter, we executed on all of the critical elements of our business plan, which include safely and reliably operating our plants with a keen focus on the health and safety of our employees, contractors, and communities. Prudently managing costs, being judicious with capital, maximizing our marketing and logistics capabilities, and targeting opportunities to reduce our carbon footprint. In closing, I would like to thank our employees for the excellent execution, achieving 90% ammonia utilization for the quarter while safely completing the 14-day outage at Coffeyville. Solid operating performance and delivery on our marketing and logistics plants resulted in a distribution of $1.92 per common unit for the first quarter. With that, we are ready to answer any questions, Christine. Thank you.
Mark A. Pytosh: Currently managing cost being judicious with capital and maximizing our marketing and logistics capabilities and targeting opportunities to reduce our carbon footprint.
Mark A. Pytosh: In closing I would like to thank our employees for the excellent execution, achieving 90% ammonia utilization for the quarter, while safely completing the 14 day outage at Coffeyville.
Mark A. Pytosh: Solid operating performance and delivery on our marketing and logistics plants resulted in a distribution of $1 92 per common unit for the first quarter with that we're ready to answer any questions Christy.
Christine: Thank you.
Speaker Change: We'll now be conducting a question and answer session.
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Operator: Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Rob Maguire with Granite Research. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Rob McGuire with Granite Research. Please proceed with your question. Good morning.
Robert Miles McGuire: Good morning, and thank you for taking my call my questions.
Robert Miles McGuire: Good morning. Thank you for taking my call and asking me a question. Good morning, Rob.
Robert Miles McGuire: Good morning, Rob.
Robert Miles McGuire: So over the last few quarters purchases of extended out a couple of months or at least a few months can you just talk about if that dynamic has changed at all.
Robert Miles McGuire: So, over the last few quarters, purchases have extended out for a couple of months, or at least a few months. Can you just talk about whether that dynamic has changed at all?
Speaker Change: No we've actually I think we've kind of settled into that pattern now and.
Mark A. Pytosh: No, we actually I think we've kind of settled into that pattern now. And, you know, the customers are kind of what I would have described in previous calls as rateable buying, but it's more rateable. And if you look at our Dane gave some numbers on our prepaid orders, the dollar amounts have been a lot lower, not just because of price, but the volume of prepay is lower, but the cash purchasing in season is higher.
Speaker Change: The customers are kind of I would I think I've described in previous calls ratable buying but that's more ratable and if you look at our Dane gave some numbers on our prepaid orders. They have the dollar amount spent a lot lower than not not just because of price, but the volume of prepay is lower but the cash <unk>.
Mark A. Pytosh: In season is higher and so it's more ratable buying which fits our production schedule quite well.
Mark A. Pytosh: And so it's more rateable buying, which, you know, fits our production schedule quite well and kind of stretches out the buying activity, you know, like in a quarter, it would be over the whole quarter as opposed to, you know, purchasing one out of the three months.
Mark A. Pytosh: And kind of stretches out the buying activity like in a quarter it would be over the whole quarter as opposed to.
Mark A. Pytosh: You know purchasing one out of the three months.
Robert Miles McGuire: I appreciate that, and then I'm wondering if you could just expand a little from your opening comments about the alternative feedstock and potential at Coffeyville, more in terms of what cost and timing might be, and then separately the brownfield expansions, if you could talk about maybe cost and timing there as well.
Speaker Change: I appreciate that and then.
Speaker Change: Wonder if you could just expand a little from your.
Robert Miles McGuire: From your opening comments about the alternative feedstock.
Robert Miles McGuire: Potential at Coffeyville more in terms of what cost and timing might be and then separately. The brownfield expansions. If you could talk about maybe to costs and timing there as well.
Robert Miles McGuire: Sure.
Mark A. Pytosh: Sure. So on the feedstock optionality, we've, one, we've proven to ourselves technically that it can be done. So there are no technical hurdles there. It's more of the mechanical and operational issues about how we operate the plant. So we're comfortable technically that we can make that happen.
Robert Miles McGuire: So on the feedstock optionality.
Mark A. Pytosh:
Mark A. Pytosh: One we've I think we've proven to ourselves technically that it can be done.
Mark A. Pytosh: So theres no technical hurdles there, it's more the mechanical and operational issues about how we operate the plants.
Mark A. Pytosh: We're comfortable technically that we can can make that happen.
Mark A. Pytosh: And.
Mark A. Pytosh: And I don't have, we're not finished with all the detailed engineering. So I don't have the capital plan. It won't be, I would not call it a material capital investment for us to get that done. We have most of the infrastructure in place. It would really be about building infrastructure to get gas from the pipeline to the facility. And again, that's not a huge capital number.
Mark A. Pytosh: I I don't have that we're not finished with all of the detailed engineering. So I don't have the capital plan it won't be I would not call. It a material capital investment for us to get that done we have most of the infrastructure in place it would really be about building infrastructure to get gas from the pipeline to the facility.
Mark A. Pytosh: And then again, that's not a huge capital number.
Mark A. Pytosh: So we're, you know, I think where we're going from here is we're confirming the detailed engineering plans, the infrastructure, and then we would ask permission from the board to proceed forward, and we should be in position to do that later this year. And the one thing I would add to that, Rob, is what we're excited about is that right now, obviously, natural gas is more favorable than petcoke. But there have been plenty of years where this has been reversed.
Mark A. Pytosh: No.
Mark A. Pytosh: I think where we're going from here is we're confirming out the detailed engineering plans and the infrastructure and then we would ask permission from the board to proceed forward and we shouldnt be in position to do that later this year.
Mark A. Pytosh: And the one thing I would add to that Rob is what we're excited about is right now obviously natural gas is more favorable than pack up but there have been plenty of years, where he was reversed.
Mark A. Pytosh: And if we had another geopolitical event and a big spike in natural gas prices, we could switch back or switch to full petcoke. So we really like the optionality that it will give us depending on, you know, really any market. If gas is more favorable, we'll favor gas, or if petcoke is more favorable, we'll favor petcoke. So we're excited about giving ourselves that option to tap into the lowest cost feedstock in the market.
Mark A. Pytosh: And if we had another geopolitical event and a big Spike in Nash.
Mark A. Pytosh: Natural gas prices, we can switch back or switch to a whole pet coke. So we really like the optionality that it will give us depending on you know really any marketing.
Mark A. Pytosh: Gas is more favorable we will favor gas or pet Coke is more favorable will favorite pet coke. So we're excited about giving ourselves that optionality too.
Mark A. Pytosh: To tap into the lowest cost feedstock in the marketplace.
Robert Miles McGuire: I thank you for that color. And then, with regard to the brownfield expansions, the timing and cost, would that be separate for the state? Yeah, so we have several projects. Again, in and of themselves, each one is not, I would not consider it very material.
Speaker Change: Thank you for that color and then with regards to the brownfield expansion and the timing and cost with it.
Robert Miles McGuire: Yeah. So we have several projects again in and of themselves. Each one is not I would not consider it a very material.
Mark A. Pytosh: But, you know, we have a select number of projects we've been reserving for that we will start to implement in the second half of this year. We've completed a lot of work, the engineering work, and the execution plans. And so we'll start those projects in the second half. And it's really around reliability and redundancy. We're not intending to add new units to the plant. We're simply trying to tap into, what I would either call, unused capacity or reduce issues that cause downtime, which would effectively raise the production capacity at each of the two facilities.
Robert Miles McGuire: But you.
Mark A. Pytosh: We have a select number of projects we have been reserving for that we will start to implement in.
Mark A. Pytosh: In the second half of this year, we've completed a lot of work.
Mark A. Pytosh: The engineering work and the execution plans and so we will start those projects in the second half and it's really around reliability and redundancy, we're not intending to add new units stood up plant.
Mark A. Pytosh: We're simply trying to tap into I would either called unused capacity or.
Mark A. Pytosh: Reducing issues that caused downtime, which effectively would raise the.
Mark A. Pytosh: Capacity at each of the two facilities so.
Mark A. Pytosh: So we're really looking to take advantage of increasing capacity without writing a large check to do that at this point. Got it. And then could you kind of give us a little further breakdown of the $10.7 million of current reserves for investing activities in the quarter? Were there any specific projects or plans behind that? You know, it kind of ties into my last two questions.
Mark A. Pytosh: Really looking to take advantage of increasing capacity without writing large checks to do that.
Mark A. Pytosh: At this point.
Mark A. Pytosh: Got it and then could you kind of give us a little further breakdown of the $10 7 million of current reserves for investing activities in the quarter were there any specific projects or plans behind that.
Mark A. Pytosh: Kind of ties into my last two questions.
Dane J. Neumann: Yeah, I'll take that one. So the reserves we're putting in place are just really ratable reserves. So we started in 23 through 24, and we, subject to board approval, would continue to make those reserves. And it's really associated with the spending around these projects as we anticipate them coming up over the next few years. You know, I think reserves were heavier in 23. We kind of settled into a ratable basis. And then once we start spending, we'll start consuming that reserve down.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'll I'll take that one so the reserves that we're putting in place are just really ratable reserves. So we started in 'twenty three 'twenty four and we are subject to board approval would continue to make those reserves and is really associated with the spend around these projects as we anticipate them to come up over the next few years.
Dane J. Neumann: I think reserves were heavier in 'twenty, three we kind of settled into a ratable basis and then once we start spending will start considering that reserve down.
Dane J. Neumann: And the other part of that reserve, too, is we do reserve dollars for future turnarounds. We have a turnaround plan for Coffeyville in the fall of 2025 and East Dubuque in the fall of 2026, so we're already reserving dollars for those turnarounds so that when we execute them, we're not drawing from current cash when we execute those turnarounds.
Speaker Change: Yeah, and the other part of that reserve to is we do reserve dollars for future turnarounds.
Dane J. Neumann: So where we have a turnaround.
Dane J. Neumann: Plan for Coffeyville in the fall of 'twenty, five and East Dubuque and fall 'twenty six and we're already reserving dollars for those turnarounds so that when we execute them, we're not drawing from current cash when we execute those turnarounds.
Robert Miles McGuire: Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. And then lastly, Free revenue was $6.2 million in the quarter, and that was down from $10.9 million year-over-year and $10.3 million in the fourth quarter. So could you just talk about the fluctuation of that item beyond volumes?
Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you I appreciate that and then lastly.
Robert Miles McGuire: Freight revenue of $6 2 million in the quarter and that was down from 10.9 year over year and $10 three in the fourth quarter. So could you just talk about the fluctuation that item beyond volumes.
Dane J. Neumann: Sure, that's generally going to follow the UAN shipping numbers. So you'll see UAN volume was down in the quarter, and that's rail, you know; most of that freight revenue is rail. And we just didn't ship as much UAN. So I would expect here in the second quarter that if we ship, you know, what we produce, that number will grow from the first to the second quarter. But, you know, most of our product at East Dubuque moves by truck, and Coffeyville mostly moves by rail.
Robert Miles McGuire: I'm sure that that's generally going to follow the UAE and shipping number so youll see UAS volume was down in the quarter and that's a rail you know most of that freight revenue is rail.
Dane J. Neumann: And we just didn't ship as much UA and so I would expect here in the second quarter, if we ship.
Dane J. Neumann: While we produce that number will grow from first to second quarter, but you know.
Dane J. Neumann: Most of our product at East Dubuque moves by truck and Coffeyville, mostly moves by rail.
Dane J. Neumann: The other thing about Coffeyville in the first quarter, I mentioned that the Southern Plains was stronger, and we actually saw more truck movement out of Coffeyville. I think truck movement at Coffeyville was our best quarter we've ever had, so that would have lowered the freight revenue as well because we moved more by truck than by rail more than normal. So there's nothing unusual in that. We just didn't ship as much rail this quarter.
Dane J. Neumann: The other thing about Coffeyville in the first quarter I mentioned that the southern Plains was stronger and we actually saw more truck movement out of Coffeyville I think truck movement at Coffeyville was our best quarter. We've ever had so that would have lowered their freight revenue as well because we moved more buy trucks in by rail.
Dane J. Neumann: More than normal.
Dane J. Neumann: So it's.
Dane J. Neumann: There's nothing unusual on that.
Dane J. Neumann: We just we just didn't ship as much rail this quarter.
Robert Miles McGuire: Do you think that the strength in the Southern Plains will continue into the second quarter?
Dane J. Neumann: Do you think that strength in the southern Plains continues into the second quarter.
Mark A. Pytosh: I think so. I, you know, I tried to stay away from being a professional weather forecaster. But we've had a, you probably saw there were a series of storms that rolled through Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas this weekend. You know, and unfortunately, there were tornadoes and a lot of damage. But there also was a lot of rain, and while that will slow down some of the planting activity, that rain was hoped for.
Speaker Change: I think so.
Mark A. Pytosh: I tried to stay away from being a professional weather forecaster.
Mark A. Pytosh: But we've had a <unk> <unk>.
Mark A. Pytosh: We saw there were a series of storms that rolled through.
Mark A. Pytosh: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas This weekend.
Mark A. Pytosh: And unfortunately, there was tornadoes in a lot of damage, but there also was a lot of rain.
Mark A. Pytosh: And while that will slow down some of our planting activity that that rain was was hoped for and so that should lead to good follow on top.
Mark A. Pytosh: And so that should lead to a good follow-on top dress and side dress season in Texas and Oklahoma and Kansas. So this year, we've had the most moisture in that part of the country that we've had in five years. And so the activity levels have been, you know, we've seen really good demand, significantly more than the last few years. And we expect that to continue with the storms that have come through here in the last week and are expected to continue. I think most of this
Mark A. Pytosh: Top dress side dress season in Texas, and Oklahoma and Kansas. So this year, we've had the most moisture in that part of the country than we've had in five years and so the activity levels have been we've seen really good demand more significantly more than the last few years and we expect that to continue.
Mark A. Pytosh: With the storms that have come through here in the last week and are expected to continue I think most of this week.
Robert Miles McGuire: Thank you, that's it for my questions.
Speaker Change: Well. Thank you that's it for my questions.
Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.
Speaker Change: Thank you we have reached the end of the question and answer session I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.
Mark A. Pytosh: Well, again, thank you for joining us on the first quarter call, and we look forward to reviewing our second quarter results this summer. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Well again, thank you for joining our first quarter call and we look forward to reviewing our second quarter results.
Speaker Change: And this summer thank you very much.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.
Speaker Change: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect. Your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.