Q1 2024 Plains GP Holdings LP Earnings Call

Operator: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to PAA and PAGP's first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session to ask a question during the session. You will need to press star one one on your telephone to remove yourself from the queue.

Thank you for standing by and welcome to D. A N P. E. G. P's first quarter 'twenty 'twenty four earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode.

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Operator: You may press star one one again. I would now like to hand the call over to Blake Fernandez, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, Latif. Good morning, and welcome to Plains All American's first quarter 2024 earnings call. Today's slide presentation is posted on the Investor Relations website under the News and Events section at Plains.com. An audio replay will also be available following today's call.

Now I'd like to hand, the call over to Blake Fernandez VP Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Blake Fernandez: Important disclosures regarding forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures are provided on slides two and three. An overview of today's call is provided on slide four. A Condensed Consolidating Balance Sheet for PAGP and other reference materials are in the appendix.

Thank you Latif and good morning, and welcome to Plains, All American first quarter 2024 earnings call.

Blake Fernandez: Today's slide presentation is posted on the Investor Relations website under the news and events section of <unk> Dot Com an audio replay will also be available following today's call.

Blake Fernandez: Important disclosures regarding forward looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures are provided on slide two.

Blake Fernandez: Overview of today's call is provided on slide three.

Blake Fernandez: A condensed consolidating balance sheet for PAGP and other reference materials are in the appendix.

Blake Fernandez: Today's call will be hosted by Chairman and CEO Willie Chang, Executive Vice President and CFO Al Swanson, as well as other management members. With that, I will now turn the call over to Willie. Thank you, Blake. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

Blake Fernandez: Today's call will be hosted by chairman and CEO, Willie Chiang Executive Vice President and CFO Al Swanson as well as other management members with that I will now turn the call over to Willy. Thank you Blake good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us.

Willie Chang: Our strategy remains consistent and is anchored around capital discipline, generating free cash flow, return of capital to our investors, and financial flexibility. And consistent with those themes, earlier this morning, we reported first quarter results that were in line with our expectations, which reflects progress towards our full year 2024 targets and provides us with confidence in our ability to deliver on the plan that we laid out in February. For the first quarter of 24, and as illustrated on slides 3 and 4, we reported Adjusted EBITDA tributable to PAA of $718 million, and we reaffirmed our 2024 Adjusted EBITDA Outlook.

Willie Chiang: Our strategy remains consistent and is anchored around capital discipline generating free cash flow return of capital to our investors and financial flexibility and consistent with those themes earlier. This morning, we reported first quarter results that are in line with our expectation, which reflects progress towards our <unk>.

Full year 2024 targets and provides us with confidence in our ability to deliver on the plan that we laid out in February for.

For the first quarter of 'twenty, four and as illustrated on slides three and four we reported adjusted EBITDA attributable to PAA of $718 million and we reaffirmed our 2024 adjusted EBITDA outlook and we will share additional details on our quarterly performance and the 2024 outlook in his portion of the call.

Willie Chang: I will share additional details on our quarterly performance and the 2024 outlook in his portion of the call. As noted in our press release this morning and as illustrated on slide 5, we have increased contract volumes and extended the term on certain contracts such that our weighted average contract duration of our Permian long haul portfolio is approximately five years, which takes us through 2028. This includes new contracts or extensions on Cactus 1, Cactus 2, Basin, and Sunrise.

Willie Chiang: We noted in our press release this morning, and as illustrated on slide five we have increased contract volumes and extended the term on certain contracts such that our weighted average contract duration of our Permian long haul portfolio is approximately five years, which takes us through 2028. This includes new contracts or extensions on cactus one cactus.

Willie Chiang: Two basin in Sunrise. This also includes transactions related to 200000 barrels a day.

Willie Chang: This also includes transactions related to 200,000 barrels of daily Cactus 1 capacity that have been finalized on terms that are consistent with rates in the range of $1.25 to $1.50 per barrel that will become effective in September of 2025. Today's announcement is a win-win for both Plains and our partners, and it strikes a good balance between term commitments and maintaining flexibility to capture higher margins from uncontracted long-haul capacity over time.

Willie Chiang: Cactus one capacity that has been finalized on terms that are consistent with the rates in the range of $1 25 to $1 50 per barrel that will become effective in September of 2025.

Willie Chiang: Today's announcement is a win win for both planes and our partners and it strikes a good balance between term commitments and maintaining flexibility to capture higher margins from unplanned tracked on contracted long haul capacity over time.

Willie Chang: While we are not providing formal guidance for 26, we would expect continued underlying growth in the business and contributions from efficient growth investments to offset the lower contracted rates, which results in a broadly flat adjusted EBITDA in 2026 as compared to 2024 guidance for the crude sector. In summary, we believe these actions should provide greater clarity and confidence in the outlook for our crude oil segment and our ability to continue to generate significant free cash flow over multiple years. Consistent with our efficient growth strategy, and as summarized on slide 6, Plains acquired an additional 10% interest in the Saddlehorn Pipeline Company, LLC, and a MidCon terminal asset for an aggregate cash consideration of approximately $110 million.

Willie Chiang: While we are not providing formal guidance for 2006, we would expect continued underlying growth in the business and contributions from efficient growth investments to offset the lower contracted rates, which results in a broadly flat adjusted EBITDA in 2026 as compared to 2024 guidance for the crude segment.

Willie Chiang: In summary, we believe these actions should provide greater clarity and confidence in the outlook for our crude oil segment and our ability to continue to generate significant free cash flow over multiple years.

Willie Chiang: Consistent with our efficient growth strategy and are summarized on slide six planes acquired an additional 10% in the saddle Horn pipeline company LLC.

Willie Chiang: And the mid Con terminal asset for an aggregate cash consideration of approximately $110 million. These bolt on acquisitions are expected to generate unlevered returns in line with our return threshold of approximately 3% to 500 basis points above our weighted average cost of capital. In addition to enhancing our position in both the Rockies and the mid con with that.

Willie Chang: These bolt-on acquisitions are expected to generate unlevered returns in line with our return threshold of approximately 300 to 500 basis points above our weighted average cost of capital, in addition to enhancing our position in both the Rockies and the MidCon. With that, I'll turn the call over to Al. Thanks, Willie.

Willie Chiang: That I will turn the call over to al. Thanks, Willie We reported first quarter adjusted EBITDA net to PAA of $718 million slides 10, and 11 in today's appendix contain walks that provide details on our first quarter performance our outlook for the balance of the year remains essentially unchanged and we are reaffirming.

Al Swanson: Slides 10 and 11 in today's appendix contain slides that provide details on our first quarter. Our outlook for the balance of the year remains essentially unchanged. And we are reaffirming our adjusted EBIDTA guidance range of 2.625, point seven two five billion dollars for twenty. We continue to believe the Permian will grow 200,000 to 300,000 barrels a day with a back half weighted ramp providing momentum for the remainder of 2020. The NGL segment remains highly hedged with frac spreads at approximately $0.65 per gallon.

Our adjusted EBITDA guidance range of $2 65 to $2 $75 billion for 2024, we continue to believe the Permian will grow 200 to 300000 barrels a day with a back half weighted ramp providing momentum for the remainder of 2024.

Al Swanson: NGL segment remains highly hedged with Frac spreads at approximately <unk> 65 per gallon for 2024.

Al Swanson: Detailed overview of our 2024 guidance and key assumptions, which remain generally consistent with our February guidance, are on slide 12 within today's. For 2024, we expect to generate $1.55 billion of adjusted free cash flow, excluding changes in assets and liabilities, and including $110 million of bolt-on acquisition, approximately $1.15 billion to be allocated to common and preferred distribution. We will also continue to self-fund our targeted $375 million and $230 million of growth and maintenance capital, respectively, net to PAA, which is consistent with our February guidance and includes capital for POPJB well connections and intrabasin improvement, as well as capital related to our previously announced Ford FAST debombing.

Al Swanson: Detailed overview of our 2020 for guidance and key assumptions, which remained generally consistent with our February guidance are on slide 12 within today's appendix for 2024, and we expect to generate one five.

Al Swanson: <unk> $5 billion of adjusted free cash flow, excluding changes in assets and liabilities and including the $110 million of bolt on acquisitions with approximately one $1 $5 billion to be allocated to common and preferred distributions.

Al Swanson: We will also continue to self fund, our targeted $375 million and $230 million of growth and maintenance capital respectively. Net to PAA, which is consistent with our February guidance and includes capital for pop JV, well connections and intra basin improvements as well as capital related to our previous.

Al Swanson: We announced support fast Debottleneck project with that I'll turn the call back to Willy.

Al Swanson: With that, I'll turn the call back. Thank you, Al. Over the last several years, we have made considerable progress across several initiatives, including running a safe, responsible, and reliable business remaining capital disciplined, generating meaningful free cash flow, and increasing the return of capital to our unit holders while maintaining financial flexibility. Our business model and asset footprint span key supply basins in North America and provides infrastructure solutions to supply global energy demand in the U.S. The combination of our asset base and our strategic initiatives really creates a unique value proposition for our current and potential unit holders, including a double-digit adjusted free cash flow yield and a distribution yield of approximately seven to seven and a half percent with a multi-year targeted annual increase of 15 cents a unit.

Willy: Thank you al over the last several years, we have made considerable progress.

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Combination of our asset base and our strategic initiatives really creates a unique value proposition for our current and potential unit holders, including a double digit adjusted free cash flow yield and a distribution yield of approximately seven to seven 5% with a multi year targeted annual increase of 15 a unit.

Al Swanson: We're pleased to be able to provide an update on our Permian long-haul contracting efforts, which reflects our commitment and focus on being the partner of choice and creating win-win solutions for our customers and partners. Recontracting of our long-haul capacity has been a focal point for investors, and we view the developments that we shared with you today as a significant milestone, offering better visibility and clarity around the contractual support for the performance of our Permian long-haul portfolio in the coming years. The bottom line is that we're well positioned to continue to generate significant free cash flow well into the future. I'll now turn the call over to Blake to lead us into the Q&A. Thanks, Willie.

Willy: We're pleased to be able to provide the update on our Permian long haul contracting efforts, which reflects our commitment and focus on being the partner of choice and creating win win solutions for our customers and partners.

Willy: Re contracting of our long haul capacity has been a focal point for investors and we view the developments that we share with you today is a significant milestone offering better visibility and clarity around the contractual support for the performance of our Permian long haul portfolio in the coming years. The bottom line is we are well positioned to continue to generate significant.

Willy: Free cash flow well into the future I'll now turn the call over to Blake to lead us into Q&A. Thanks, Willie as we enter the Q&A session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow up for those with additional questions. Please feel free to return to the queue.

Blake Fernandez: As we enter the Q&A session, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. For those with additional questions, please feel free to return to the queue. This will allow us to address questions from as many participants as possible in our available time this morning. The IR team will also be available to address any additional questions.

Blake Fernandez: This will allow us to address questions from as many participants as practical in our available time this morning.

Blake Fernandez: The IR team will also be available to address any additional questions.

Operator: Lateef, we're ready to open the call for questions. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may press star 11 on your telephone.

Blake Fernandez: Latif, we're ready to open the call for questions. Please thank.

Latif: Thank you as a reminder to ask a question you May press star one on your telephone.

Operator: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Blum of Wells Fargo. Your question, please, Michael. Good morning, Michael.

Latif: Please standby, while we compile the Q&A roster.

Latif: Our first question comes from the line of <unk>.

Nicole <unk> of Wells Fargo. Your question. Please Michael.

Michael Blum: So, I guess the 1st question I wanted to ask was just, I guess, on the guidance. You had a strong Q1, you had the bolt-on acquisition. So, maybe just talk through why not increase the 24 guidance and the same line of thinking there. Um, you know, would you say you're on track to beat the 15 cents per year of distribution growth? Given that it seems like you got the bolt on the business is running well. Yeah, Michael, thanks for the question. This is Willie. It is early in the year.

Nicole: Good morning, Michael Thanks.

Nicole: Good morning.

Michael: So I guess the first question I wanted to ask was just.

Michael: I guess on the guidance you had a strong Q1, yes, the bolt on acquisitions so.

Michael: Just talk through why not increase the 24 guidance and same line of thinking there.

Michael: Are you would you say you're on track to beat the 15 per year of distribution growth given that it seems like you have the bolt on business is running well.

Michael: Yeah, Michael Thanks for the question this is Willie.

Willie Chiang: It is early in the year, we're confident about being in the range and really just don't want to get too far ahead without seeing a few more things, but we do remain confident.

Willie Chang: We're confident about being in that range and really just don't want to get too far ahead without seeing a few more things. But we do remain confident of our performance this year, and I would characterize it as cautiously optimistic that we'll be able to perform well within that range. Okay.

Speaker Change: Our performance this year and I would I would characterize it as cautiously optimistic.

Speaker Change: And we will be able to perform well under the range.

Speaker Change: Okay understood. Thank you and then.

Speaker Change: Wondering if you can comment on the rates for the contract extensions for Cactus II in Sunrise basin, where those largely consistent with prior rates and just extending the duration or did you also see changes in the rates there.

Michael Blum: Thank you. And then I wonder if you can comment on the rate for the contract extensions for Cactus 2 and Sunrise Basin. Were those largely consistent with prior rates and just extended the duration, or did you also see changes in the rate? Michael, good morning. This is Jeremy Goebel.

Jeremy Goebel: Michael Good morning. This is Jeremy Goebel, what I'd say on the rights to make on that the reason we were looking to contract those on a long term rate as it got towards tariff. So effectively folks are paying tariff to get there and that's the right balance for us for a long term rate on Capex too.

Jeremy Goebel: What I'd say on the rates of the Mid-Continent, the reason we were looking to contract those on a long-term rate is it got towards tariffs. So effectively, folks are paying tariffs to get there, and that's the right balance for us for a long time. On Cactus II, the extensions were associated with... Extensions associated with their options to extend, so they basically elected to extend. Thank you.

Speaker Change: The extensions are associated with.

Jeremy Goebel: Contract extensions associated with their debt options to extend so they basically elected their options to extend existing contracts.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Tristan Richardson of Scotiabank. Your line is open, Tristan. Bye, Tristan. Chris, can you please make sure your line is unmuted and you can have a speakerphone? Tristan, are you on or muted?

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Tristan Richardson of Scotiabank. Your line is open Tristan.

Speaker Change: Oh.

Tristan Richardson: Hi, Tristan.

Speaker Change: Kristin please Mr. Your line is immediate speaker phone lift your handset.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Tristan Richardson: Tristan are you on.

Tristan Richardson: Or muted.

Operator: Shall I go to the next question? Yeah, thank you. OK, thank you. One moment. Our next question comes from the line of Spyro Dunis of Citi. Your question, please, Spyro. Good morning, everybody.

Tristan Richardson: So to your question, yes. Thank you okay. Thank you one.

One moment.

Tristan Richardson: Okay.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Spiro <unk> of Citi. Your question. Please spiral.

Spyro Dunis: So maybe I just want to go back to the 2026 comment. Willie, I totally appreciate you not giving guidance today. But I just kind of want to understand maybe what underwrites some of the view sort of flat over time, just thinking about things like how you think about basin growth over the next few years, and then just other things around M&A. Obviously, you've been active on the bolt-on front.

Spiro: Is that fair.

Spiro: Good morning, everybody.

Spiro: So maybe just want to go back to the 2026 comment really totally appreciate youre not giving guidance today.

Spiro: But just kind of want to understand maybe what underwrite some of the view on sort of flat over time, just thinking about things like how do you think about pacing growth over the next few years and then just other things around M&A, obviously, you've been active on the bolt on front I assume assumes no M&A from here and then also you mentioned some lines of spot upsell.

Willie Chang: I assume assumes no M&A from here. And then also, you mentioned some lines of spot upside on some of these open volumes. I imagine that's all upside to that view as well.

Spiro: <unk>.

Spiro: Some of these open volumes I imagine that's all upside to that to you as well.

Willie Chang: Yes, Spiro, as you well understand, there's a lot of variables that go into this, and it would be, it would be, it would not be a good guide if we could try to look to 26 to see all those things, as you know, that tightness and supply and demand on the capacity, operating costs, production, there's a lot of things that go into it. And while I'm not going to break out everything there, what we were trying to do is as we think about our business in 26, without significant changes to where we are today, not large investments that we put in, not gross, you know, not spikes in production, you know, we've kind of talked about two to 300,000 barrels a day growth in the Permian kind over the next number of years. It's really trying to put a normalized view on 2026 based on how we operate today. And the point of this was really to try to quantify the impact, not exactly.

Speaker Change: Yes, Spiro, it's as you well understand there is a lot of variables that go into this and it would be it wouldn't be it would not be a good guidance. If we could try to look to 'twenty six to see all of those things as you know that tightness in supply and demand on the capacity operating cost production. There is a lot of things that.

Speaker Change: Go into and while I'm not going to break out everything there. What we were trying to do is as we think about our business and 26 without significant changes of where we are today not large investments that we've put in.

Willie Chang: But there are some folks that believe that the renegotiation would have resulted in, you know, a significant reduction to the point where we couldn't catch up. And what we're trying to say is really, we're going to be generally flat in 2026, which is really the first full year after the contract renegotiation. And it's always our job to work hard at improving that. So as we get closer, we'll be able to give better, better forecasts on it.

Speaker Change: Not gross not spikes in production, we've kind of talked about two to 300000 barrels a day of growth in the Permian kind of over the next number of years, it's really trying to put a normalized view on 2026 based on how we're operating today.

Speaker Change: And the point of this was really to try to.

Speaker Change: To quantify the impact not exactly but there are some folks that believe that the renegotiation would've resulted in a significant reduction to the point, where we could catch up and were trying to say is really we're going to be generally flat in 2026, which is really the first full year after the contract renegotiation and it's all.

Spyro Dunis: But again, it's really to quantify what we think the range is, we expect it to be broadly, broadly fat with 2024 and 26. And there could be upsides, just as there could be downsides, and more resolution will come as we see. Okay, understood. Appreciate that, Willie. Second question, maybe just going to NGL.

It was our job is to work hard on on improving that so as we get closer we'll be able to give better better forecast on it but again its really to quantify what we think the ranges we expect to be broadly broadly flat with 2024 and 26.

Speaker Change: And there could be upsides, just as there could be downsides in more resolution will come as we see more.

Al Swanson: Just curious how you guys are thinking about the hedging strategy out for 2025. And then more broadly or longer term, curious if there's any opportunities over time to reduce that commodity exposure through contracts. So on the first part of the question is we're actively monitoring our hedging profile and we try to be, A A A A A A A A A A, So for us, we're being opportunistic. It doesn't make sense to hedge at this point on a forward basis. We have some because it was higher, but it's minimal.

Speaker Change: Okay understood appreciate that Willie.

Speaker Change: Second question, maybe just go into NGL.

Speaker Change: Just curious how you guys are thinking about the hedging strategy.

Speaker Change: For 2025, and then more broadly are longer term curious if theres any opportunities over time to reduce that commodity exposure through contracts.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Willie Chiang: On the first part of the question is we are actively monitoring our hedging profile and we try to be opportunistic.

Liquidity decreases significantly as you get outside six to nine months and it's.

Willie Chiang: Very largely backward dated so for us remain opportunistic it doesn't make sense to hedge at this point on a forward basis, we have some because it was higher but minimal.

Al Swanson: And so, in our opinion, it's be opportunistic. As liquidity gets higher, market views get higher. And as the front end of the crude markets rolls up, and as gas prices moderate, you get to points where we'll hedge again. But at this point, we're not going to give any guidance on that.

Willie Chiang: <unk> be opportunistic as the liquidity gets higher in market views get higher and at the front end of the crude market's rollout and as gas prices moderate and get to points, where we'll hedge again, but at this point I'd like to give any guidance on it but that just gives you an assessment of right now the forward curve is suggesting we should do it and liquidity.

Spyro Dunis: But that just gives you an assessment of right now. The forward curve isn't suggesting we should do it. And Spiro, as you know, we've got some additional capacity that's coming on in Fort Saskatchewan, and that is consistent with your question on how do we get to shift more towards a fee-based consistent cash flow stream. So that's always our objective. It's just you have to be smart about how you go about it and pick the right times to contract.

Willie Chiang: It's out there to do anything asos and.

Willie Chiang: And Spiro as you know we've got some additional capacity that's coming on in Fort Saskatchewan and that is consistent with your question on how do we get shift more towards a fee based consistent cash flow stream. So that's always our objective. It's just you've got to be smart about how you go about it and pick the right times to contracting.

Willie Chiang: Yes.

Operator: Perfect. I'll leave it there for today. Thanks, gentlemen. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Keith Stanley of Wolf Research. Your line is open.

Spiro: Alright, perfect I'll leave it there for today, thanks gentlemen.

Spiro: Thanks.

Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Keith Stanley.

Keith Stanley: Research Your line is open that Keith.

Keith Stanley: Thanks, Hi, good morning.

Keith Stanley: Thanks. Hi. Good morning.

Keith Stanley: When you look at the portfolio now, after today's announcement, are there any assets that at all that you would call out aside from maybe bridge tax where contract rates are still meaningfully above market, or are we at the point now where your contract rates are? All pretty much, you know, more or less in line with where the market is. This is Jeremy. I would say that your BridgeTex is the one that's outstanding.

Keith Stanley: When you look at the portfolio now after today's announcement are there are there assets.

At all that you would call out aside from maybe Briggs tax where contract rates are still meaningfully above market or are we at the point now where contract rates are all pretty much more or less in line with where the market would be.

Keith Stanley: Keith This is Jeremy I would say that your assessment is correct.

Jeremy Goebel: We don't operate the pipeline. It would be a better question for 1-0, but one thing I would say is BridgeTex demands. So one thing to pay attention to is Wink-to-Webster just extended to Beaumont, which has led to more... You've got the downtime on Wink-Webster. So longer term, we see that as a healthy pipeline with the benefits of those volumes. This is Al.

Jeremy Goebel: At Bridgetex is the one that's outstanding we don't operate the pipeline that would be better question for whatever but one thing I would say as bridgetex demand is increasing.

Jeremy Goebel: So one thing to pay attention to is linked to western extended development, which has led to more demand for brands that you've got the downtime on wink to Webster in June so longer term, we see that as a healthy pipeline with opportunity and.

Jeremy Goebel: We control the capacity between Midland and Colorado City that we see benefits as those volumes increase as well.

Al Swanson: The only thing I would add to what Jeremy said is that we assumed and made our assumptions in this broadly flat 2020. Okay, that's helpful. And then just a small clarification, I think it was Spiro's question, just the about the 2026 crude segment EBITDA being flattish. I just want to make sure that doesn't include any bolt-on acquisition assumptions or use of free cash in that way, right? It's more just organic growth through, nothing major.

Jeremy Goebel: This is Alan the only thing I would add to what Jeremy said is we assumed and made our assumption in the broadly flat 2026.

Alan: The bridgetex impacts as well.

Okay. That's helpful. And then just a small clarification I think was spiro's question just the.

Alan: The 2026 crude segment EBITDA being being flattish I just want to make sure that doesn't include any bolt on acquisition assumptions or use of free cash in that way right. It's more just organic growth through the company.

Speaker Change: Nothing major.

Got it.

Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Sure.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Keith Stanley: Okay, thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sunil Sehwal of Seaport Global. Please go ahead, Sunil. Hi, good morning guys. Can you hear me all right?

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Sunil Sibal of Seaport.

Sunil Sibal: Global Please go ahead Sir.

Yes, Hi, good morning, guys can you hear me Alex.

Sunil Sehwal: Yep, we can, Sunil. Thanks. So on the Permian recontracting, so thanks for that update. And I was kind of curious, you know, since this was a major milestone. And now that you have this behind you, how does that, if any, impact your kind of, you know, longer-term capital allocation strategy? Yeah, the capital allocation strategy doesn't change, right?

Sunil Sibal: Yes, we can so neal.

Thanks.

Speaker Change: So on.

On the Permian.

The contracting so thanks for that update and it was kind of curious you know since this was a major milestone.

Speaker Change: And now that you have this behind you how does that impact kind of longer term capital allocation strategy.

Yes, the capital allocation strategy doesn't change our.

Willie Chang: Our leverage is where we want it to be. We set a new range. For our maximized free cash flow, we expect our CapEx to be in that $300,000 to $400,000 range per year.

Speaker Change: <unk> Leverages, where we want it to be we set a new range or maximize free cash flow expect our capex to be in that $3 to 400000.

Speaker Change: $3 million to $400 million range per year, we do look for opportunities that are high synergy high return of synergy opportunities for bolt ons and we'll continue to look for those opportunities because we think they are accretive and we can we can execute on that and then the focus is again return of capital to work to unit holders.

Willie Chang: We do look for opportunities that are high synergy, high return synergy opportunities for bolt-ons. And we'll continue to look for those opportunities because we think they're creative and we can execute them on that. And then the focus is, again, return of capital to unit holders. And I think, yeah, Tristan did ask the question.

Speaker Change: And I think yes, Tristan did ask the question.

Sunil Sehwal: You know, if we perform better, we would certainly consider an increase above our target, as we have done in the last couple of years. Understood. And then on Permian, seems like, you know, weather-related events kind of led to a sequential decline in your volumes. I was kind of curious, you know, where things stand today. Have you seen enough recovery from those?

Speaker Change: If we perform better and we would certainly consider.

Speaker Change: An increase above our target as we have done in the last couple of years.

Speaker Change: Understood and then on Permian It seems like you know.

Speaker Change: Events led to a sequential decline.

Speaker Change: Volumes I was kind of curious where things stand today.

Jeremy Goebel: Obviously, you're reiterating your full year expectations, but I was just kind of curious about the near term. What are you seeing in the basin? Neil, this is Jeremy. There was an impact in January and February for about two weeks, but volumes have recovered. There's been some issues with gas outages throughout the basin that have caused some impacts, but by and large, it's in line with expectations. There was big growth in the fourth quarter of last year, which we expected to be flattish in the first part of this year and growth in the second half of this year, and so we're not changing our outlook at all based on this. This is normal.

Speaker Change: Have you seen enough recovery from those obviously recruiting.

Speaker Change: Speculations, but I was just kind of curious multi outcome.

Speaker Change: Are you seeing in the basin.

Speaker Change: And Neil this is Jeremy there.

Speaker Change: There was an impact in January and February for about two weeks associated with the phrase.

Jeremy Goebel: <unk> covered there's been some issues with gas outages throughout the basin that have caused some impact but by and large it's in line with expectations there.

Jeremy Goebel: There was a big growth big growth in the fourth quarter of last year, which we expected flattish in the first part of this year and growth in the second half of the year and so we're not changing our outlook at all based on the normal impacts of outages.

Sunil Sehwal: Okay, and just one clarification. So based on what we are seeing in gas prices and gas constraints, you are not expecting anything, you know, any change to the second half level of growth. I understand there is a gas pipeline coming online. So that, essentially, in your mind, helps resolve the constraint and kind of gets us the second half uptake in production. Is that fair?

Speaker Change: Okay, and just one clarification so based on what we are seeing in gas prices and gas constraints.

Speaker Change: No.

Speaker Change: You are not expecting anything.

Speaker Change: And it seems so thats second half level of growth I understand there is a gas pipeline coming online.

Speaker Change: Essentially near mine hubs, because all the <unk>.

Speaker Change: Constrained then.

Gets us the second half uptick in production is that correct.

Jeremy Goebel: That's very fair. That's one way to look at it. The other is that when gas prices are low, it doesn't impact all shippers, right? Some of that for transport, and the vast majority do. It's just those last molecules of gas trying to get out of the basin.

Speaker Change: That is very fair Thats, one way to look at it. The other is a gas prices are low it doesn't impact all shippers.

Speaker Change: Some of that FERC and transport in the vast majority do is set the glass.

Speaker Change: Molecules of gas trying to get out of the basin. The other part of it is gas prices are like that in those capital allocation into oily or areas lower GOR areas generally beneficial for us so it's not all of that.

Jeremy Goebel: The other part of it is when gas prices are like that, it moves capital allocation to oilier areas, lower GOR areas, which is generally beneficial for us. So it's not all bad.

Speaker Change: Understood. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you Sunil.

Sunil Sehwal: Thank you. Thank you, Sunil. Thank you. My next question comes from the line of Zach Van Everen of TPH Income. Please go ahead, Zach.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Speaker Change: Come from the line of Zach than ever in GTH and company.

Zach: Please go ahead Zach.

Zach Van Everen: Perfect. Thanks for taking my question guys. Starting with the Saddlehorn transaction, can you guys provide any insight into the contract profile underpinning the pipe for those fairly long dated, or will there be some rolling over the next few years? I think that's a question for the Operator 1-0, but we'd say we're very comfortable with the acquisition price and the long term. Okay, perfect.

Zach: Perfect. Thanks for taking my question guys, starting with the saddle Horn transaction can you guys provide any insight into the contract profile underpinning that Fiat for those fairly long dated or where there'll be some rolling in the next few years.

Speaker Change: I think that's a question for the operator, one out but we can say, we're very comfortable with the acquisition price and long term outlook for this outlook.

Speaker Change: Yeah.

Jeremy Goebel: And then one, you know, kind of outside of your business realm, but you know, we're seeing more and more producers and midstream talk about 2026 being a very potentially constrained year on the gas side. You know, have any of your producers expressed any concerns or, you know, talked through the outer years with gas constraints, maybe coming back in 2026? I think, in general, all the conferences and calls we've seen so far show that there's a general need for another pipeline.

Okay, perfect and then.

Speaker Change: One kind of outside of your business realm, but.

Speaker Change: We're seeing more and more producers and midstream talked about 2026 being a very potentially constrained year on the gas side have any of your producers expressed any concerns or talk through the outer years with gas constraints may be coming back in 2026.

I think in general all the conference calls you've seen that so far is that there is a general need for another pipeline.

Jeremy Goebel: Historically, new pipelines get sanctioned, and we expect that to happen. Anything would be transient, it would be quarters, it wouldn't be years, and in our view, remember we're just talking about the last pipeline; we're not talking about the whole base of production. So if you delay 100,000 barrels a day and grow it to six months, that's 100,000 barrels a day out of, at that time, close to 6.5 million barrels a day.

Speaker Change: And historically, new pipelines get sanctioned and we would expect that to happen.

Speaker Change: And anything would be trained and it would be quarter, there wouldnt be years and in our view remember we're just talking about the last pipe, we're not talking about the whole base of production. So if you delay a 100000 barrels a day of growth six months, that's 100000 barrels a day out of at that time close to $6 5 million barrels a day, it's a very minor impact to the total base.

Zach Van Everen: It's a very minor impact on the total production. Gotcha. Perfect. Well, I appreciate it, guys. Thanks. Thanks, Zach.

Speaker Change: Got you perfect I appreciate it guys. Thanks.

Speaker Change: Thanks, Ed.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Zach Van Everen: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Naomi Marafatia of UBS. Hi, good morning.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Nuomi, Mario: Comes from the line of Nuomi, Mario <unk> of UBS.

Naomi Marafatia: Appreciate all the color and answers to the question thus far on the recontracting through 2025, but can you talk about perhaps how the five-year contract structure in 2028 leaves a massive amount of flexibility in the future prospects of the business, particularly around exports? Can you talk about the opportunity set that you're looking at? This is Jeremy.

Hi, good morning.

Nuomi, Mario: I appreciate all the color.

Nuomi, Mario: So the question on the re contracting for 2025, but can you talk about perhaps how the five year contract structure in 2020, it needs a massive amount of flexibility in the future prospects of the business, particularly around exports can you talk about what you meant you said that you're looking at.

Jeremy Goebel: I'm not sure I completely understand the question, but what I would say is it's staggered. We gave you the average end of the duration. The durations move over different years, and we like to stagger contracts. And our intent is to continue to stay with long-term exporters and refiners in our contracting. So we're managing that profile. We'll actively manage it. We see opportunity since the long-haul pipes will be needed. The Permian oil in place is a big number, and we'll have production for a long time.

Jeremy Goebel: This is Jeremy.

Jeremy Goebel: Not sure I completely understand the question, but what I would say is.

Jeremy Goebel: It's staggered work, we gave you the average and the duration of the durations move over different years, and we liked the staggered contracts and our intent is to continue to stay with long term export orders and refiners that are contracting for managing that profile, we'll actively manage it we see opportunity set for the long haul Titusville beanie.

Jeremy Goebel: Ended the Permian oil in places that <unk> number and we will have production for a long time. So it doesn't concern us one business with how we were able to get to the right balance of time tenure and rate and we will continue to manage that profile over time.

Willie Chang: So this doesn't concern us one bit. This was how we were able to get to the right balance of time tenure and rate, and we'll continue to manage that profile. And Naomi, this is Willie. As we talk with our customers and our partners on this, this all fits their profile production. And if you think about it, you've got a limited amount of infrastructure that's going into these markets now. And we would like to think that the relationships are strong and that the customers will be sticky because the offering that we have fits what they want to do. And so it's not a matter of people wanting to shift to completely different markets.

Jeremy Goebel: And Naomi this is Willie as we talk with our with our customers and our partners on this this all fits their profile production and if you think about it <unk> got a limited amount of infrastructure, that's going to these markets now and.

Willie Chiang: We would like to think that the relationships are strong and.

Willie Chiang: And that the customers will be sticky because.

Willie Chiang: The offering that we have fits what they want to do.

Willie Chiang: And so it's not a matter of people wanting to shift to completely different markets.

Willie Chang: I would think that, you know, as we are good partners, that we'll continue to have those. And it's really a renegotiation of term, tenure, and tariff at that time. That is helpful.

I would think that as we are good partners and we will continue to have those and it's really a renegotiation of chairman and tenure and tariff at that time.

Naomi Marafatia: Maybe as a follow-up, how should we think about Permian production cadence for the remainder of the year? Should we expect further gathering bolt-on transactions to drive production given the increased activity? I think we've shared that our expectations for the Permian really are two to three hundred thousand barrels a day of growth from the end of the year to the end of the year, twenty-three to twenty-four, and it's really the back half, Q3 and Q4, that we'll see the increase. Great, thanks for the call. Have a great rest of your day.

Speaker Change: That is helpful.

Speaker Change: As a follow up how should we think about bromine production cadence for the remaining of the U S.

Speaker Change: Should we expect for gathering bolt on transactions to drive production given the increased activity.

Speaker Change: I think we've shared that our expectations for the Permian really are two to 300000 barrels a day of growth from the end of the year to the end of the year 'twenty three 'twenty four and it's really back half.

Speaker Change: Q3, and Q4 that will see the increase.

Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, Thanks for all the color.

Speaker Change: Just a few days.

Speaker Change: Thanks Tommy.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Naomi Marafatia: Thanks, Naomi. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neil Dingman of Truist Security. Good morning, guys. Thanks for the time. My first question is on your Canadian assets, specifically. You've had some nice market-based results in recent quarters on the Canadian crude spreads and NGL markets. I'm just wondering, how are those continuing to trend?

Speaker Change: Our next question comes from the line.

Of note dingman of true of Securities.

Neil Dingman: Are they still up and to the right as they've been? So our view is the same as our outlook for the year. We tended to bring those down on the market basis. TMX starts up, so it's in our views, impact, and it's included in our guide. What I would say is we view that as positive long-term for our Canadian assets as more production growth, and you're probably in a constrained environment again in two to three years, so we think more volume will be good for those assets on both the NGL and accrued side, and while there may be fewer market-based opportunities, it could lead to higher tariffs. That's great to hear. Then just a quick, quick one.

Dingman: Good morning, guys. Thanks for the time My first question is on your Canadian assets, specifically, you've had some nice market based results.

Dingman: In past quarters on the Canadian crude spreads and NGL markets I'm. Just wondering how are those continuing to trend or are they still up into the right as they've been.

Speaker Change: So our view is the same as our outlook for the year, we tended to bring those down on the market based opportunities as <unk> starts up so our views impact is included in our guidance and what I would say is we view that as positive long term for our Canadian assets as more production growth and you're probably in a constrained.

Speaker Change: Again in two to three years. So we think more volume will be good for those assets on both the NGL and crude side and while there may be fewer market based opportunities it could lead to higher tariff based opportunities.

Al Swanson: Just what you just were mentioned on the permit. One other thing to add is that movement to the West Coast is going to reorganize how things move. The U.S. to make up for that, so those barrels are not coming into the U.S., so that could create other opportunities for some of our other pipes. Great, great ad. And then I was just asking you about the Permian growth, the majority that's still going to come from Dell. I think last quarter you talked about maybe 170 Dell rigs versus 120 Midland.

Speaker Change: That's great to hear and then just quick one just what you just mentioned that we're going to add is Oh go ahead, sorry that movement to the West coast is going to reorganize how things move with and in the U S to make up for that for those barrels that are coming into the U S. So that can create other opportunities for some of our other pipes are in the mid continent.

Great Great and then I was just asking on you just mentioned on Permian growth is majority of that is still going to come from the Delta I think last quarter, you talked about maybe 170 del rigs versus 120, Midland So is that still kind of.

Neil Dingman: So is that still kind of, you know, anticipate that being the case for the remainder of the year? Yes, the activity balance hasn't really changed very much, but we do see some growth in the Midland Basin, but we think it will be disproportionate. Helpful. Thank you all.

Speaker Change: We anticipate that being the case for the remainder of the year.

Yes, the activity balance hasn't really changed very much but we do see some growth in the Midland basin, but we think it will be disproportionately in the Delaware basin.

Speaker Change: Helpful. Thank you all.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Neil Dingman: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tenet of JPMorgan Securities. Please go ahead, Jeremy. Hi, good morning.

Speaker Change: Comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet Jpmorgan Securities. Please go ahead Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet: Hi, good morning.

Jeremy Tenet: Good morning, Jeremy. I just want to come back to the recontracting if I could and want to better understand I guess when you say if it can terms consistent with rates what that means exactly does that mean like there's a higher amount contracted at a lower rate or is there something else just wonder why it's consistent with rates and not just those are the rates, Well, it's a mix of what we've got, and it's what we don't really want to get into the specifics of every pipe and what the tariff is.

Good morning, Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet: I just wanted to come back to the re contracting if I couldnt wanted to better understand I guess.

Jeremy Tonet: When you say.

Jeremy Tonet: Terms consistent with rates what that means exactly does that mean like there is a higher amount contracted at a lower rate or is there something else I'm. Just wondering why it's consistent with rates and not just those are the right.

Speaker Change: Well, it's a mix of what we've got and it's what we don't really want to get into the specifics of every pipe and what the tariff is I think the key point on that Jeremy is if when you look at the recently built pipes, it's above 25% above 50, and essentially what we're telling you is that we've been able to re contract successfully with our partners at at rates.

Jeremy Tenet: I think the key point on that, Jeremy, is when you look at the recently built pipes, they're $1.25 to $1.50, and essentially, what we're telling you is that we've been able to recontract successfully with our partners at rates that are competitive with that. And going forward, I think it's a reset in that we have fewer that are far out of market as we go forward, and as the basin tightens, we would expect that there could be some pressure increases. I got it.

Speaker Change: That are competitive with that and going forward I think it's a reset and that we don't have we have less that are far out of market as we go forward and as the basin tightens, we would expect that there could be some pressure upwards on that.

Jeremy Goebel: That's very helpful. Thank you. And then just wanted to come back to the guidance, if I could understand that it's early in the year, and you don't want to move it just yet. But with the acquisitions, you know, presumably bringing upside to results for the year. Are there other, I guess, headwinds that have materialized so far that would be an offset or just trying to better understand the gives and takes, or just as the year progresses, would you account for that upside later? Jeremy, this is Al.

Speaker Change: Got it that's very helpful. Thank you and then just wanted to come back to the guidance if I could I. Appreciate that's early in the year.

Speaker Change: Don't want to move it just yet but with the acquisitions.

Speaker Change: <unk>, bringing upside to results for the year are there other I guess headwinds that have materialized. So far that would be an offset or just trying to better understand the gives and takes there just as the year progresses.

Speaker Change: Account for that upside later.

Jeremy This is al.

Al Swanson: The acquisition of the 110, the impact that we'll be seeing this year would be very modest and well within the range we have. Our base business is performing in line with expectation, as Willie mentioned, prepared remark. So, you know, if you run the math on $110 million and recognize that it's only a partial year, it was not enough to show that our business is performing in line with what we, Hey Jeremy, this is Will again. Just a clarification, the specific $1.25 to $1.50 was really around Cactus One. However, we've got other pipelines that are in the mix and we have a weighted average concept that I got it.

Speaker Change: The acquisition of the 110.

Speaker Change: The impact that will be seen this year would be very modest and well with inside the range. We have our base businesses performing in line with expectation as Willy mentioned on.

Speaker Change: In his prepared remarks so.

Speaker Change: A few.

Speaker Change: Run the math on $110 million and recognize that it's only a partial year. It was not enough for us to allow for it in our business, but our business is performing in line with what we expected.

Speaker Change: Hey, Jeremy This is Willie you just a clarification the specific dollars 25 to <unk> 50 that was really around cactus. One. However, we've got other pipelines that are in the mix and we have a weighted average concept that we look at but it really is a $1 25% above 50 is really just the cactus one re contracting.

Speaker Change: Got it very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Willie Chang: Very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John McKay of Goldman Sachs. Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for the time.

Speaker Change: Comes from the line of John Mackay of Goldman Sachs.

John Mackay: Hey, guys. Good morning, Thanks for the time.

John McKay: I just thought now that you're having some of these conversations with your shippers around kind of back half of a decade volumes and rates, would just be curious if there's anything you can share on how the market's developing for Houston versus Corpus Dynamics, whether or not some of the big export projects proposed out there are kind of playing into those conversations yet. Appreciate it. Yeah, I would say they had absolutely no impact on the discussions that we had. You have to think about it, there's already a couple million barrels of paint headed, close to three headed to Corpus, right?

John Mackay: I just figured now that youre, having some conversations with our shippers around kind of back half of the decade and volumes and rates.

John Mackay: Be curious is there anything you can share on how the market's developing for four kind of Houston versus corpus dynamics, whether or not some.

John Mackay: Some of the big export projects proposed out there are kind of playing into those conversations yet I appreciate it.

Speaker Change: I would say they had absolutely no impact on the discussions that we had I think the view.

Offshore export facilities get built you have to think about there is already a couple of million barrels a day and in the Houston and close to three headed into Cortland right. So.

Jeremy Goebel: Those balances may not change very much, and you have production growth in between. We're talking about a project three to four years from now where you could have half a million to 800,000 barrels of daily more production. I think you're going to move inland, less efficient docks offshore, maybe take some production growth, but you'll still be full to the core. So it didn't impact the discussions at all, and it's more of an and as opposed to or.

Speaker Change: Those balances may not change very much and you have production growth in between we're talking about a project three years to four years from now where you could have half a million 800000 barrels a day more production I think youre going to move inland less efficient docks offshore maybe take some production growth, but youll still be full to corpus so it didn't impact.

Speaker Change: Active discussions at all and it's more of an <unk> and as opposed to or.

John McKay: Alright, that's fair. Maybe just one last one, maybe just another comment on the weather challenges or otherwise in the first quarter so you understand kind of the general Permian trajectories intact.

Speaker Change: Alright Thats fair.

Speaker Change: Maybe just one last one maybe just another comment on the weather challenges or otherwise in first quarter.

John McKay: Just when we're looking at kind of Permian gathering versus long haul. Was there more of an impact on one versus the other? And maybe just how we think about, you know, a 2Q trajectory versus a second half pickup. Thanks. This is Jeremy.

Understand kind of general Permian trajectories in tact.

Speaker Change: We're looking at kind of Permian gathering versus long haul was there more of an impact on one versus the other.

Speaker Change: Maybe just how we think about <unk> trajectory versus <unk>.

Speaker Change: Second half pick up.

Jeremy Goebel: The way I look at this is the gathering was more impacted by whether the market impacted the long haul. It's just a matter of, was it better for our shippers to buy at Midland, buy at the end of the pipe, or at the dock? And so sometimes they'll just change their behaviors and how they ship.

Speaker Change: This is Jeremy the way I'd look at this as the gathering was more impacted by whether the markets impacted the long haul. It's just a matter of where the bid was it better for our shippers to buy at Midland by at the end of the pipe or is the dock and so sometimes they will just change their behaviors and how they ship and it could be a measure.

Jeremy Goebel: And it could be a measure of what inventories are in Cushing and what demands and turnarounds are in Cushing. So I'd say the long haul is impacted by the market. But the gathering was more impacted by the weather.

Speaker Change: Of what our inventories in Cushing and water demand and turnaround in Cushing. So I'd say long haul is impacted by market. The gathering was more impacted by.

Speaker Change: That.

Speaker Change: Weather.

John McKay: All right. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Teresa Chen from Barker. Hi Teresa.

Alright got it thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Speaker Change: Comes from the line of Theresa Chen of Barclays.

Theresa Chen: Hi, Theresa.

Teresa Chen: Morning, thank you for taking my questions. First, I wanted to ask about the upcoming maintenance on Winked Webster and how that might translate to incremental throughput on the basin pipeline, and maybe you're pushing assets given the slot capacity there. Is that an opportunity for incremental earnings, either from a throughput and volumetric perspective or through marketing optimization? Theresa, this is Jeremy. The way I look at it is that the 10 days of scheduled downtime. There are ways to get it out, right?

Theresa Chen: Good morning, Thank you for taking my question.

Theresa Chen: First I wanted to ask about the.

Theresa Chen: Upcoming maintenance bundled wink to Webster, and how that might translate to incremental.

Theresa Chen: But on basin pipeline and meeting your fishing assets given the slack capacity there is that an opportunity for incremental earnings from it.

Following metric perspective or marketing optimization.

Theresa Chen: So Theresa this is Jeremy though and look at it is the 10 days of scheduled downtime.

Jeremy Goebel: A lot of that will go into the export pipes to the Gulf Coast. There's some capacity there. The barrels do need to get to Colorado City, which we can do. The barrels will likely flow onto bridge decks as a result of Wings of Webster being down.

Theresa Chen: There is ways to get it out a lot of that will.

Jeremy: Export pipes to the Gulf coast will be full or some capacity there do need to get to Colorado City, which we can assist with available likely flow onto bridge tax as a result of length Webster being down do you see more breakfast expose more Colorado city flows and when it gets to Colorado City, we're likely to see more basin flows. So I think all three.

Jeremy Goebel: So you'll see more bridge deck flows, more Colorado City flows, and when it gets to Colorado City, you're likely to see more mason flows. So I think all three of those could happen, plus you'll see significant flows through all the.. understood And on the WCS front, as TMX is line filling, we're seeing the differentials come in at this point. Give some color on how that's impacting your marketing activities, and maybe, just broadly, you know, looking past this, if you have a rule of thumb on the magnitude of impact that differentials on WCS specifically have on the crude segment just from a quarter to quarter basis, that would be helpful. Thanks, Rita. I don't think we'll give specific guidance, but what I would say is it will be included in our outlook. I'd say there are plenty of ways for us.

Jeremy: Are those could happen plus youll see it.

Jeremy: Significant flows through all the corpus pipes.

Jeremy: Understood.

Jeremy: And on the WCS as Cemex as line filling we're seeing.

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Speaker Change: Color on how that's impacting marketing activities and maybe just broadly looking past this.

Speaker Change: You have a rule of thumb on and the magnitude of impact that differentials on WCS, specifically impacts the crude segment just from a quarter to quarter basis that'd be helpful.

Thanks, Rick I don't think we will give specific guidance, but what I would say is it will be included in our outlook I'd say there is plenty of ways for us to optimize around our assets between grades other than WCS WCS is one component of the marketing activities in Canada.

Jeremy Goebel: Optimize our assets between grades other than WCS WCS is one component of the market, Canada. But there also will be storage opportunities and other things as it starts up. High-complexity that will have difficulty starting up, and it'll create opportunities. Also, flow changes of that magnitude away from the U.S., so it may end up with more tariff-based opportunities, less market-based opportunities, but we would expect the market-based opportunities to come back as Canadian production. Theresa, this is Willie.

Speaker Change: But there also will be storage opportunities and other things as it starts up no pipe tightened complicated that we will have difficulty starting up and it'll create opportunities also flow changes of that magnitude away from the U S. So it may end up more tariff based opportunities less market based opportunities, but we would expect the market based opportunities to come.

Speaker Change: Back as Canadian production growth.

Willie Chang: I think the key point on this is we've always said with the shift in flow, you know, it's four to six hundred thousand barrels a day potentially. In the short-term, there could be some blips. Long-term, we think it's very healthy because it sends good price signals to the Canadians to develop more resources, and it's quite frankly, you know, a great opportunity for the Canadian resource base to increase is out. The only thing I would add is that it's actually coming online, and this stuff is happening pretty well in line with what we assumed in our original February. I got it.

Speaker Change: Theresa This is Willie I think the key point on this is we've always said with the with the shift in flow four to 600000 barrels a day potentially short term there could be some blips long term, we think its very healthy because it sounds good price signals to the Canadians to to develop more resource and it's quite frankly, a great opportunity for them.

Speaker Change: The Canadian resource base to increase.

Al Swanson: This is al the only thing I would add is that it's actually coming online and this stuff is happening pretty well in line with what we assumed in our original February guidance.

Speaker Change: Got it thanks.

Teresa Chen: Thank you, thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Willie Chang for closing remarks, sir. Thank you. As always, we enjoy visiting with you. Thanks for dialing in and your ongoing attention and support of what we're doing. We look forward to seeing you out on the road. Talk to you soon.

Speaker Change: Thank you I would now like to turn the conference back to Willie Chiang for closing remarks, Sir.

Willie Chiang: Thank you as always we enjoy visiting with you. Thanks for dialing in and your your ongoing attention and support of what we're doing we look forward to seeing you out on the on the road talk to you soon.

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Blake Fernandez: Important disclosures regarding forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures are provided on slides two and three. An overview of today's call is provided on slide four. A Condensed Consolidating Balance Sheet for PAGP and other reference materials are in the appendix.

Speaker Change: Thank you for standing by and welcome to PAA and PAGP first quarter 'twenty 'twenty four earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode.

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Blake Fernandez: Thank you Latif and good morning, and welcome to Plains, All American first quarter of 2024 earnings call.

Blake Fernandez: Today's slide presentation is posted on the Investor Relations website under the news and events section of <unk> Dot Com an audio replay will also be available following todays call an important disclosures regarding forward looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures are provided on slide two.

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Blake Fernandez: A condensed consolidating balance sheet for PAGP and other reference materials are in the appendix.

Blake Fernandez: Today's call will be hosted by Chairman and CEO Willie Chang, Executive Vice President and CFO Al Swanson, as well as other management members. With that, I will now turn the call over to Willie. Thank you, Blake. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

Blake Fernandez: Today's call will be hosted by chairman and CEO, Willie Chiang Executive Vice President and CFO Al Swanson as well as other management members with that I will now turn the call over to Willy. Thank you Blake good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us.

Willie Chang: Our strategy remains consistent and is anchored around capital discipline, generating free cash flow, return of capital to our investors, and financial flexibility. And consistent with those themes, earlier this morning, we reported first quarter results that were in line with our expectations, which reflects progress towards our full year 2024 targets and provides us with confidence in our ability to deliver on the plan that we laid out in February. For the first quarter of twenty four, and as illustrated on slides three and four, we reported adjusted EBITDA tribunal PAA of seven hundred and eighteen million, and we reaffirmed our twenty twenty four adjusted EBITDA outlook.

Our strategy remains consistent and is anchored around capital discipline generating free cash flow return of capital to our investors and financial flexibility and consistent with those themes earlier. This morning, we reported first quarter results that are in line with our expectation, which reflects progress towards our <unk>.

Blake Fernandez: All year 2024 targets and provides us with confidence in our ability to deliver on the plan that we laid out in February for.

Blake Fernandez: For the first quarter of 'twenty, four and as illustrated on slides three and four we reported adjusted EBITDA attributable to PAA of $718 million and we reaffirmed our 2024 adjusted EBITDA outlook and we will share additional details on our quarterly performance and the 2024 outlook in his portion of the call.

Willie Chang: I will share additional details on our quarterly performance and the 2024 outlook in his portion of the call. As noted in our press release this morning and as illustrated on slide 5, we have increased contract volumes and extended the term on certain contracts such that our weighted average contract duration of our Permian long haul portfolio is approximately five years, which takes us through 2028. This includes new contracts or extensions on Cactus 1, Cactus 2, Basin, and Sunrise.

Blake Fernandez: We noted in our press release this morning, and as illustrated on slide five we have increased contract volumes and extended the term on certain contracts such that our weighted average contract duration of our Permian long haul portfolio is approximately five years, which takes us through 2028. This includes new contracts or extensions on cactus one cactus.

Blake Fernandez: Two basin in Sunrise. This also includes transactions related to 200000 barrels a day.

Willie Chang: This also includes transactions related to 200,000 barrels of daily Cactus 1 capacity that have been finalized on terms that are consistent with rates in the range of $1.25 to $1.50 per barrel that will become effective in September of 2025. Today's announcement is a win-win for both Plains and our partners, and it strikes a good balance between term commitments and maintaining flexibility to capture higher margins from uncontracted long-haul capacity over time.

Blake Fernandez: Cactus one capacity that has been finalized on terms that are consistent with the rates in the range of $1 25 to $1 50 per barrel that will become effective in September of 2025.

Blake Fernandez: Today's announcement is a win win for both planes and our partners and it strikes a good balance between term commitments and maintaining flexibility to capture higher margins from <unk> on contract in long haul capacity over time.

Willie Chang: While we are not providing formal guidance for 26, we would expect continued underlying growth in the business and contributions from efficient growth investments to offset the lower contracted rates, which results in a broadly flat adjusted EBITDA in 2026 as compared to 2024 guidance for the crude. In summary, we believe these actions should provide greater clarity and confidence in the outlook for our crude oil segment and our ability to continue to generate significant free cash flow over multiple years. Consistent with our efficient growth strategy, and as summarized on slide 6, Plains acquired an additional 10% interest in the Saddlehorn Pipeline Company, LLC, and a MidCon terminal asset for an aggregate cash consideration of approximately $110 million.

Blake Fernandez: While we are not providing formal guidance for 2006, we would expect continued underlying growth in the business and contributions from efficient growth investments to offset the lower contracted rates, which results in a broadly flat adjusted EBITDA in 2026 as compared to 2024 guidance for the crude segment.

Blake Fernandez: In summary, we believe these actions should provide greater clarity and confidence in the outlook for our crude oil segment and our ability to continue to generate significant free cash flow over multiple years.

Blake Fernandez: Consistent with our efficient growth strategy and are summarized on slide six planes acquired an additional 10% in the saddle Horn pipeline company LLC.

Blake Fernandez: And the mid Con terminal asset for an aggregate cash consideration of approximately $110 million. These bolt on acquisitions are expected to generate unlevered returns in line with our return threshold of approximately $3 to 500 basis points above our weighted average cost of capital. In addition to enhancing our position in both the Rockies and the mid con with that.

Al Swanson: These bolt-on acquisitions are expected to generate unlevered returns in line with our return threshold of approximately 300 to 500 basis points above our weighted average cost of capital, in addition to enhancing our position in both the Rockies and the MidCon. With that, I'll turn the call over to Al. Thanks, Willie.

Blake Fernandez: I'll turn the call over to al. Thanks, Willie We reported first quarter adjusted EBITDA net to PAA of $718 million slides 10, and 11 in today's appendix contain walks that provide details on our first quarter performance our outlook for the balance of the year remains essentially unchanged and we are reaffirming.

Al Swanson: Slides 10 and 11 in today's appendix contain slides that provide details on our first quarter. Our outlook for the balance of the year remains essentially unchanged. And we are reaffirming our adjusted EBIDTA guidance range of 2.625, point seven two five billion dollars for twenty. We continue to believe the Permian will grow 200,000 to 300,000 barrels a day with a back half weighted ramp providing momentum for the remainder of 2020. The NGL segment remains highly hedged with frac spreads at approximately $0.65 per gallon.

Al Swanson: Our adjusted EBITDA guidance range of $2 65 to $2 75 billion for 2024, we continue to believe the Permian will grow 200 to 300000 barrels a day with a back half weighted ramp providing momentum for the remainder of 2020 for the NGL segment remains highly hedged.

Al Swanson: With Frac spread that approximately 65 per gallon for 2020 for a detailed overview of our 2020 for guidance and key assumptions, which remained generally consistent with our February guidance are on slide 12 within today's appendix for 2024, we expect to generate one point.

Al Swanson: Detailed overview of our 2024 Guidance and Key Assumptions, which remain generally consistent with our February guidance, are on slide 12 within today's. For 2024, we expect to generate $1.55 billion of adjusted free cash flow, excluding changes in assets and liabilities, and including $110 million of bolt-on acquisitions, approximately $1.15 billion to be allocated to common and preferred distribution. We will also continue to self-fund our targeted $375 million and $230 million of growth and maintenance capital, respectively, net to PAA, which is consistent with our February guidance and includes capital for POPJB well connections and intrabasin improvement, as well as capital related to our previously announced Ford FASC debombing.

Al Swanson: $5 $5 billion of adjusted free cash flow, excluding changes in assets and liabilities and including $110 million of bolt on acquisitions with approximately one $1 $5 billion to be allocated to common and preferred distributions.

Al Swanson: We will also continue to self fund, our targeted $375 million and $230 million of growth and maintenance capital respectively. Net to PAA, which is consistent with our February guidance and includes capital for pop JV, well connections and intra basin improvements as well as capital related to our preview.

Al Swanson: We announced support SaaS Debottleneck project with that I will turn the call back to Willy.

Al Swanson: With that, I'll turn the call back. Thank you, Al. Over the last several years, we have made considerable progress across several initiatives, including running a safe, responsible, and reliable business remaining capital disciplined, generating meaningful free cash flow, and increasing the return of capital to our unit holders while maintaining financial flexibility. Our business model and asset footprint span key supply basins in North America and provides infrastructure solutions to supply global energy demand. The combination of our asset base and our strategic initiatives really creates a unique value proposition for our current and potential unit holders, including a double-digit adjusted free cash flow yield and a distribution yield of approximately 7 to 7.5% with a multi-year targeted annual increase of 15 cents a unit.

Willy: Thank you al over the last several years, we have made considerable progress.

Willy: Across several initiatives, including running a safe responsible and reliable business.

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Combination of our asset base and our strategic initiatives really creates a unique value proposition for our current and potential unit holders, including a double digit adjusted free cash flow yield and a distribution yield of approximately seven to seven 5% with a multiyear targeted annual increase of 15 a unit.

Al Swanson: We're pleased to be able to provide an update on our Permian long haul contracting efforts, which reflects our commitment and focus on being the partner of choice and creating win-win solutions for our customers and partners. Recontracting of our long-haul capacity has been a focal point for investors, and we view the developments that we share with you today as a significant milestone, offering better visibility and clarity around the contractual support for the performance of our Permian long-haul portfolio in the coming year. The bottom line is that we're well positioned to continue to generate significant free cash flow well into the future. I'll now turn the call over to Blake to lead us into the Q&A. Thanks, Willie.

Willy: We're pleased to be able to provide the update on our Permian long haul contracting efforts, which reflects our commitment and focus on being the partner of choice and creating win win solutions for our customers and partners.

Willy: Re contracting of our long haul capacity has been a focal point for investors and we view the developments that we share with you today is a significant milestone offering better visibility and clarity around the contractual support for the performance of our Permian long haul portfolio in the coming years. The bottom line is we are well positioned to continue to generate significant.

Free cash flow well into the future I'll now turn the call over to Blake to lead us into Q&A. Thanks, Willie as we enter the Q&A session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow up for those with additional questions. Please feel free to return to the queue.

Blake Fernandez: As we enter the Q&A session, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. For those with additional questions, please feel free to return to the queue. This will allow us to address questions from as many participants as possible in our available time this morning. The IR team will also be available to address any additional questions.

Blake Fernandez: This will allow us to address questions from as many participants as practical in our available time this morning.

The IR team will also be available to address any additional questions.

Operator: Lateef, we're ready to open the call for questions. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may press star 11 on your telephone.

Blake Fernandez: Latif, we're ready to open the call for questions. Please thank.

Latif: Thank you as a reminder to ask a question you May press star one on your telephone.

Operator: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Blum of Wells Fargo. Your question, please, Michael. Good morning, Michael.

Latif: Please standby, while we compile the Q&A roster.

Michael Blum: So, I guess the 1st question I wanted to ask was just, I guess, on the guidance. You had a strong Q1, you had the bolt-on acquisition. So, maybe just talk through why not increase the 24 guidance and the same line of thinking there. Um, you know, would you say you're on track to beat the 15 cents per year of distribution growth? Given that it seems like you got the bolt on the business is running well. Yeah, Michael, thanks for the question. This is Willie. It is early in the year.

Latif: Our first question comes from the line of Mark.

Bloom of Wells Fargo. Your question please Michael.

Mark: Good morning, Michael Thanks.

Michael: Good morning.

Mark Bloom: So I guess the first question I wanted to ask was just.

Mark Bloom: I guess on the guidance you had a strong Q1, yes, the bolt on acquisitions so.

Michael: Maybe just talk through why not increase the 24 guidance and same line of thinking there.

Michael: <unk>.

Michael: Are you would you say you're on track to beat the 15 per year of distribution growth given that it seems like you have the bolt on.

Michael: Business is running well.

Michael: Yes, Michael Thanks for the question this is Willie.

Willie Chang: We're confident about being in that range and really just don't want to get too far ahead without seeing a few more things. But we do remain confident of our performance this year, and I would characterize it as cautiously optimistic that we'll be able to perform well within that range. Okay, I understand. Thank you. And then I wonder if you can comment on the rates for the contract extensions for Cactus 2 and Sunrise Basin. Were those largely consistent with prior rates and just extended the duration, or did you also see changes in the rates? Michael, good morning. This is Jeremy Goebel.

It is early in the year, we're confident about being in the range and really just don't want to get too far ahead without seeing a few more things, but we do remain confident.

Our performance this year and I would I would characterize it as cautiously optimistic that.

And we will be able to perform well under the range.

Speaker Change: Okay understood. Thank you and then.

Speaker Change: Wondering if you can comment on the rates for the contract extensions for Cactus II in Sunrise basin, where those largely consistent with prior rates and just extending the duration or did you also see changes in the rates there.

Jeremy Goebel: What I'd say on the rates of the Mid-Continent, the reason we were looking to contract those on a long-term rate is it got towards tariffs. So effectively, folks are paying tariffs to get there, and that's the right balance for us for a long time. On Cactus II, the extensions were associated with... Contract extensions associated with their options to extend, so they basically elected to exercise their options to extend.

Speaker Change: Michael Good morning. This is Jeremy Goebel, what I'd say on the rates in the mid continent. The reason we were looking to contract those on a long term rate as it got towards tariff. So effectively folks are paying tariff to get there and that's the right balance for us for a long term rate on Capex too.

Speaker Change: The extensions are associated with.

Speaker Change: Contract extensions associated with their debt options to extend so they basically elected their options to extend the existing contracts.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Yes.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tristan Richardson of Scotiabank. Your line is open, Tristan. Bye. Tristan, please make sure your line is unmuted and you can have a speakerphone. Are you on or muted?

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Tristan Richardson of Scotiabank. Your line is open interest in that.

Speaker Change: Oh.

Hi, Tristan.

Please proceed your line is immediate speaker phone lift your handset.

Tristan Richardson: Tristan are you on.

Or muted.

Tristan Richardson: Yes. Thank you okay. Thank you one.

Speaker Change: One moment.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Operator: Shall I go to the next question? Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Spyro Dunis of Citi. Your question, please, Spyro. Good morning, everybody.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Spiro <unk> of Citi. Your question. Please spiral.

Spyro Dunis: So maybe I just want to go back to the 2026 comment. Willie, I totally appreciate you not giving guidance today. But just kind of want to understand maybe what underwrites some of the view sort of flat over time, just thinking about things like how you think about basin growth over the next few years, and then just other things around M&A. Obviously, you've been active on the bolt-on front.

Spiro: Is that fair.

Spiro: Good morning, everybody.

So maybe just want to go back to the 2026 comment really totally appreciate youre not giving guidance today.

But just kind of want to understand maybe what underwrite some of the view on sort of flat over time, just thinking about things like how do you think about pacing growth over the next few years and then just other things around M&A, obviously, you've been active on the bolt on front I assume assumes no M&A from here and then also you mentioned some wines of spot upsell.

Willie Chang: I assume assumes no M&A from here. And then also, you mentioned some lines of spot upside on some of these open volumes. I imagine that's all upside to that view as well.

Spiro: <unk>.

Spiro: Some of these open volumes I imagine that's all upside to that to you as well.

Willie Chang: Yes, Spiro, as you well understand, there's a lot of variables that go into this, and it would be, it would be, it would not be a good guide if we could try to look to 26 to see all those things, as you know, that tightness and supply and demand on the capacity, operating costs, production, there's a lot of things that go into it. And while I'm not going to break out everything there, what we were trying to do is as we think about our business in 26, without significant changes to where we are today, not large investments that we put in, not gross, you know, not spikes in production, you know, we've kind of talked about two to 300,000 barrels a day growth in the Permian kind over the next number of years. It's really trying to put a normalized view on 2026 based on how we operate today. And the point of this was really to try to quantify the impact, not exactly.

Speaker Change: Yes, Spiro, it's as you well understand theres a lot of variables that go into this and it would be it wouldn't be it would not be a good guidance. If we could try to look to 'twenty six to see all of those things as you know that tightness in supply and demand on the capacity operating cost production. There is a lot of things that.

Go into and while I'm not going to break out everything there. What we were trying to do is as we think about our business in 'twenty six without significant changes of where we are today not large investments that we've put in.

Willie Chang: But there are some folks that believe that the renegotiation would have resulted in, you know, a significant reduction to the point where we could catch up. And what we're trying to say is really, we're going to be generally flat in 2026, which is really the first full year after the contract renegotiation. And it's always our job to work hard at improving that. So as we get closer, we'll be able to give better, better forecasts on it.

Not gross not spikes in production we have.

Speaker Change: Kind of talked about two to 300000 barrels a day of growth in the Permian kind of over the next number of years, it's really trying to put a normalized view on 2026 based on how we're operating today and in the point of this was really to try to to.

Speaker Change: To quantify the impact not exactly but there are some folks that believe that the renegotiation would've resulted in a significant reduction to the point, where we could catch up and were trying to say is really we're going to be generally flat in 2026, which is really the first full year after the contract renegotiation and it's all.

Willie Chang: But again, it's really to quantify what we think the range is, we expect it to be broadly, broadly fat with 2024 and 26. And there could be upsides, just as there could be downsides, and more resolution will come as we see. Okay, understood. Appreciate that, Willie. Second question, maybe just going to NGL.

Those are jobs to work hard on on improving that so as we get closer we'll be able to give better better forecast on it but again its really to quantify what we think the ranges we expect to be broadly broadly flat with 2024 and 26.

Speaker Change: And there could be upsides, just as there could be downsides in more resolution will come as we see more.

Spyro Dunis: Just curious how you guys are thinking about the hedging strategy out for 2025. And then, more broadly or longer term, curious if there's any opportunities over time to reduce that commodity exposure through contracts. So the first part of the question is we're actively monitoring our hedging profile and we try to be. Liquidity decreases significantly after you get outside six to nine months, so and it's while it's very largely back, so for us, we're being opportunistic. It doesn't make sense to hedge at this point on a forward basis. We have some because it was higher, but it's minimal.

Okay understood I appreciate that.

Speaker Change: The second question, maybe just go into NGL.

Just curious how you guys are thinking about the hedging strategy.

For 2025, and then more broadly are longer term curious if theres any opportunities over time to reduce that commodity exposure through contracts.

Speaker Change: Okay.

Speaker Change: On the first part of the question is we are actively monitoring our hedging profile and we try to be opportunistic.

Speaker Change: Liquidity decreases significantly app youll get outside six to nine months, so and it's very largely backward dated so for us remain opportunistic it doesn't make sense to hedge at this point on a core basis, we have some because there was higher but it's minimal.

Al Swanson: And so, in our opinion, it's opportunistic. As liquidity gets higher, market views get higher, and at the front end of the crude curve, markets roll up. And as gas prices moderate, you get to points where we'll hedge again. But at this point, we're not going to give any guidance on that.

Speaker Change: In our opinion, it's opportunistic as the liquidity gets higher market values and higher in the front end of the crude market's rollout and as gas prices moderate and get to points, where we will hedge again, but at this point, but I can give any guidance on it but that just gives you an assessment of right now the forward curve is suggesting we should do it and liquid.

Al Swanson: But that just gives you an assessment of right now. The forward curve isn't suggesting we should do it. And Spiro, as you know, we've got some additional capacity that's coming on in Fort Saskatchewan, and that is consistent with your question on how do we get to shift more towards a fee-based consistent cash flow stream. So that's always our objective. It's just you have to be smart about how you go about it and pick the right times to contract.

Speaker Change: These out there to do anything asos and Spiro as you know we've got some additional capacity that's coming on in Fort Saskatchewan and that is consistent with your question on how do we get shift more towards a fee based consistent cash flow stream. So that's always our objective. It's just you've got to be smart about how you go.

Speaker Change: Got it and pick the right times to contracting.

Keith Stanley: Perfect. I'll leave it there for today. Thanks, gentlemen. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Keith Stanley of Wolf Research. Your line is open.

Speaker Change: Alright, perfect I'll leave it there for today, thanks gentlemen.

Speaker Change: Yes.

Yes.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Our next question.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Keith Stanley of Wolfe Research. Your line is open that Keith.

Keith Stanley: Thanks. Hi. Good morning.

Keith Stanley: Thanks, Hi, good morning.

Jeremy Goebel: When you look at the portfolio now after today's announcement, are there any assets that at all that you would call out aside from maybe bridge tax where contract rates are still meaningfully above market, or are we at the point now where your contract rates are? All pretty much, you know, more or less in line with where the market is. This is Jeremy. I would say that you're a BridgeTex is the one that's outstanding.

Keith Stanley: When you look at the portfolio now after today's announcement are there are there assets.

Keith Stanley: At all that you would call out aside from maybe bridge tax where contract rates are still meaningfully above market or are we at the point now where contract rates are all pretty much more or less in line with where the market would be.

Keith Stanley: Keith This is Jeremy I would say that your assessment is correct.

Jeremy Goebel: We don't operate the pipeline. It would be a better question for 1.0. But one thing I would say is BridgeTex...

Jeremy: At Bridgetex is the one that's outstanding we don't operate that pipeline it would be better question for whatever but one thing I would say as bridgetex demand is increasing.

Al Swanson: So one thing to pay attention to is Wing-to-Webster just extended to Beaumont, which has led to more... You've got the downtime on Wink-Webster. So longer term, we see that as a healthy pipeline with, And we control the capacity between Midland and Colorado, so we benefit from those volumes. This is Al.

Jeremy: So one thing to pay attention to as Wayne West or just extended development, which has led to more demand for <unk> Tec.

Jeremy: The downtime on Wink to Webster engineers, so longer term, we see that as a healthy pipeline with opportunity.

Jeremy: We control the capacity between Midland and Colorado City, and we see benefits as those volumes increase as well. This is Alan the only thing I would add to what Jeremy said is we assumed and made our assumption in the broadly flat 2026.

Al Swanson: The only thing I would add to what Jeremy said is that we assumed and made our assumption in the broadly flat 2020. Okay, that's helpful. And then just a small clarification, I think it was Spiro's question, just the 2026 crude segment EBITDA being flattish. I just want to make sure that doesn't include any bolt-on acquisition assumptions or use of free cash in that way, right? It's more just organic growth through. Nothing major.

Alan: The bridge tax impacts as well.

Alan: Okay. That's helpful. And then just a small clarification I think was spiro's question just the.

Alan: The 2026 crude segment EBITDA being being flattish I just want to make sure that doesn't include any bolt on acquisition assumptions or use of free cash in that way right. It's more just organic growth through the company.

Speaker Change: Nothing major.

Speaker Change: Got it.

Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker Change: Thank you.

Speaker Change: Our next question.

Keith Stanley: Okay, thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sunil Sehwal of Seaport Global. Please go ahead, Sunil.

Speaker Change: It comes from the line of Sunil Sibal.

Sunil Sibal: The Seaport Global please go ahead Simeon.

Sunil Sehwal: Yeah, hi. Good morning, guys. Can you hear me all right?

Sunil Sibal: Yes, Hi, good morning, guys can you give me all right.

Sunil Sehwal: Yep, we can, Sunil. Thanks. So on the Permian recontracting, so thanks for that update. And I was kind of curious, you know, since this was a major milestone. And now that you have this behind you, how does that, if any, impact your kind of, you know, longer-term capital allocation strategy? Yeah, the capital allocation strategy doesn't change, right?

Sunil Sibal: Yes, we can so neal.

Sunil Sibal: Thanks.

Sunil Sibal: On.

Simeon: On the Permian.

Speaker Change #100: Contracting so thanks for that update and I was kind of curious you know.

Speaker Change #100: Major milestone.

Speaker Change #100: And now that you have.

Just behind you how does that impact kind of longer term capital allocation strategy.

Speaker Change #100: Yes, the capital allocation strategy doesn't change our.

Willie Chang: Our leverage is where we want it to be. We set a new range. For our maximized free cash flow, we expect our CapEx to be in that $300,000 to $400,000 range per year.

Speaker Change #100: <unk> Leverages, where we want it to be we set a new range or maximize free cash flow expect our capex to be in that 3% to 400000.

Speaker Change #100: $3 million to $400 million range per year we.

Willie Chang: We do look for opportunities that are high synergy, high return synergy opportunities for bolt-ons. And we'll continue to look for those opportunities because we think they're creative, and we can execute them on that. And then the focus is, again, the return of capital to unit holders. And I think, yeah, Tristan did ask the question, you know, if we perform better, we would certainly consider an increase above our target, as we have done in the last couple of years.

Speaker Change #100: We do look for opportunities that are high synergy high return of synergy opportunities for bolt ons and we'll continue to look for those opportunities because we think they are accretive and we can we can execute on that and then the focus is again return of capital to work to unit holders and I think Tristan did ask the question.

Speaker Change #100: If we perform better and we would certainly consider.

An increase above our target as we have done in the last couple of years.

Willie Chang: And then on Permian, seems like, you know, weather-related events kind of led to a sequential decline in your volumes. I was kind of curious, you know, where things stand today. Have you seen enough recovery from those?

Speaker Change #100: Understood.

Speaker Change #100: And then.

Speaker Change #100: On Permian It seems like you know.

Speaker Change #100: And then just kind of led to a sequential decline.

Speaker Change #100: Volumes I was kind of curious where things stand today.

Speaker Change #100: Have you seen enough recovery from those obviously recruiting you had expectations, but I was just kind of curious multiyear Tom.

Sunil Sehwal: Obviously, you're reiterating your full year expectations, but I was just kind of curious about the near term. You know, what are you seeing in the basin? Neil, this is Jeremy.

Speaker Change #100: What have you seen in the basin.

Jeremy Goebel: There was an impact in January and February for about two weeks, but volumes have recovered. There have been some issues with gas outages throughout the basin that have caused some impact, but by and large, it's in line with expectations. There was a big growth impact, big growth in the fourth quarter of last year, which we expected to be flattish in the first part of this year and growth in the second half of this year. And so we're not changing our outlook at all based on this. This is normal.

Speaker Change #100: And Neil this is Jeremy.

Neil: There was an impact in January February for about two weeks associated with the phrase.

Neil: <unk> covered there has been some issues with gas outages throughout the basin that have caused some impact but by and large is in line with expectations there.

There was a big growth big growth in the fourth quarter of last year, which we expected flattish in the first part of this year and growth in the second half of the year and so we're not changing our outlook at all based on the normal impacts of outages.

Sunil Sehwal: Okay, and just one clarification. So based on what we are seeing in gas prices and gas constraints, you are not expecting anything, you know, any change to the second half level of growth. I understand there is a gas pipeline coming online, so that, essentially, in your mind, helps resolve the constraint and kind of gets us the second half uptick in production. Is that fair?

Okay, and just one clarification so based on what we are seeing in gas prices and gas constraints.

You are not expecting anything.

Neil: And so thats second half level of growth I understand there is a gas pipeline.

Neil: Coming online so that essentially near mine hubs because all the constrained then.

Neil: The second half uptick in production is that correct.

Jeremy Goebel: That's very fair. That's one way to look at it. The other is that when gas prices are low, it doesn't impact all shippers, right? Some of them use it for transport, and the vast majority do.

Neil: It is very fair and that's one way to look at it. The other is when gas prices are low it doesn't impact all shippers rather than some.

Neil: That person transport and the vast majority of the newest set those flat.

Neil: Molecule of gas trying to get out of the basin. The other part of it is gas prices are like that in those capital allocation in the oily areas lower GOR areas, but generally beneficial for us so it's not all of that.

Understood. Thank you.

Speaker Change #102: Thank you Sunil.

Speaker Change #103: Thank you.

Jeremy Goebel: It's just those last molecules of gas trying to get out of the basin. The other part of it is when gas prices are like that, it moves capital allocation to oilier areas, lower GOR areas, which is generally beneficial for us. So it's not all bad, registered. Thank you. Thank you, Sunil. Thank you. My next question comes from the line of Zach Van Everen of TPH & Company. Please go ahead, Zach.

Speaker Change #104: Our next question.

Speaker Change #104: Okay.

Speaker Change #104: Come from the line of Zach than ever.

Zach: CCH and company please.

Zach: Please go ahead Zach.

Zach Van Everen: Perfect. Thanks for taking my question, guys. Starting with the Saddlehorn transaction, can you guys provide any insight into the contract profile underpinning the pipe for those fairly long dated, or will there be some rolling in the next few years? I think that's a question for the Operator 1-0, but we'd say we're very comfortable with the acquisition price and the long term. Okay, perfect.

Zach: Perfect. Thanks for taking my question guys, starting with the saddle Horn transaction can you guys provide any insight into the contract profile underpinning the fight for those fairly long dated or where there'll be some rolling in the next few years.

I think thats a question for the operator, one out but we can say, we're very comfortable with the acquisition price and long term outlook for settlement.

Jeremy Goebel: And then one, you know, kind of outside of your business realm, but you know, we're seeing more and more producers and midstream talk about 2026 being a very potentially constrained year on the gas side. You know, have any of your producers expressed any concerns or, you know, talked through the outer years with gas constraints, maybe coming back in 2026? I think, in general, all the conferences and calls we've seen so far show that there's a general need for another pipeline.

Zach: Yes.

Speaker Change #105: Okay, perfect and then one kind of outside of your business round, but we.

Speaker Change #106: We're seeing more and more producers and midstream talked about 2026 being a very potentially constrained year on the gas side have any of your producer has expressed any concerns or talk through the outer years with gas constraints may be coming back in 2026.

Speaker Change #106: I think in general all the conference calls you've seen that so far is that there is a general need for another pipeline.

Jeremy Goebel: Historically, new pipelines get changed, and we expect that to happen. In our view, remember we're just talking about the last pipe; we're not talking about the whole base of production. So if you delay 100,000 barrels a day in growth for six months, that's 100,000 barrels a day at that time, close to 6.5 million barrels a day.

Speaker Change #106: And historically new pipeline, Okay. Thanks, and then we expect that to happen.

Anything would be trained and it would be quarter that wouldnt be years and in our view remember we're just talking about the last pipe, we're not talking about the whole base of production. So a delay of 100000 barrels a day of growth six months, that's 100000 barrels a day out of at that time close to $6 5 million barrels a day, it's a very minor impact to the total basin.

Zach Van Everen: It's a very minor impact on the total production. Gotcha. Perfect. Well, I appreciate it, guys. Thanks. Thanks, Zach.

Speaker Change #106: Yeah.

Speaker Change #107: Got you perfect I appreciate it guys. Thanks.

Speaker Change #108: Thanks, Ed.

Speaker Change #109: Thank you.

Zach Van Everen: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Naomi Marafatia of UBS. Hi, good morning.

Speaker Change #110: Our next question.

Nuomi, Mario: Comes from the line of Nuomi, Mario <unk> of UBS.

Naomi Marafatia: Appreciate all the color and answers to the question thus far on the recontracting through 2025, but can you talk about perhaps how the five-year contract structure in 2028 leaves a massive amount of flexibility in the future prospects of the business, particularly around exports? Can you talk about the opportunity set that you're looking at? This is Jeremy.

Hi, good morning.

I appreciate all the color that to.

Nuomi, Mario: So the question on the re contracting for 2025, but can you talk about perhaps how the five year contract structure in 2020, it needs a massive amount of flexibility in the future prospects of the business, particularly around exports can you talk about your thoughts on that you said that youre looking at.

Jeremy Goebel: I'm not sure I completely understand the question, but what I would say is it's staggered. We gave you the average end of the duration. The durations move over different years, and we like to stagger contracts. And our intent is to continue to stay with long-term exporters and refiners in our contracting. So we're managing that profile; we'll actively manage it. We see opportunity steps, the long-haul pipelines will be needed, the Permian oil in place is a big number, and we'll have production for a long time. So this doesn't concern us one bit; this was how we were able to get to the right balance of time, tenure, and rate, and we'll continue to manage that profile. And Naomi, this is Willie.

Nuomi, Mario: This is Jeremy I'm not sure I completely understand the question, but what I would say is.

Jeremy: It's staggering we gave you the average and the duration of the durations move over different years, and we liked the staggered contracts and our intent is to continue to stay with long term ex borders and refiners in our contracting for managing that profile, we'll actively manage it we see opportunities to long haul high school.

Jeremy: They needed the Permian oil in place is a big number and we will have production for a long time. So it doesn't concern us one business with how we were able to get to the right balance of time tenure and rate and we will continue to manage that profile over time.

Jeremy: And Naomi this is Willie as we talk with our with our customers and our partners on this this all fits their profile production and if you think about it you've got a limited amount of infrastructure, that's going to these markets now and we would like to think that the relationships are strong and in that.

Willie Chang: As we talk with our customers and our partners about this, this all fits their profile of production. And if you think about it, you've got a limited amount of infrastructure that's going to these markets now. And we would like to think that the relationships are strong and that the customers will be sticky because the offering that we have fits what they want to do, and so it's not a matter of people wanting to shift to completely different markets. I would think that, as we are good partners, that we'll continue to have those, and it's really a renegotiation of term, tenure, and tariff at that time. That is helpful.

Jeremy: Customers will be sticky because.

Jeremy: <unk>.

Jeremy: The offering that we have fits what they want to do.

Jeremy: And so it's not a matter of people wanting to shift to completely different markets I.

Jeremy: I would think that.

Jeremy: As we are good partners and will continue to have those and it's really a renegotiation of chairman and tenure and tariff at that time.

Naomi Marafatia: Maybe as a follow-up, how should we think about Permian production cadence for the remainder of the year? Should we expect further gathering bolt-on transactions to drive production given the increased activity? I think we've shared that our expectations for the Permian really are two to three hundred thousand barrels a day of growth from the end of the year to the end of the year, twenty-three to twenty-four, and it's really the back half, Q3 and Q4, that we'll see the increase. Great. Thanks for all the calls. Have a great rest of your day.

Speaker Change #111: That is helpful.

Speaker Change #112: Maybe as a follow up how should we think about bromine production cadence for the remaining of the U S should we expect for <unk> bolt on transactions such as production given the increased activity.

Speaker Change #112: I think we've shared that our expectations for the Permian really are two to 300000 barrels a day of growth from the end of the year to the end of the year 'twenty three 'twenty four and it's really back half.

Speaker Change #112: Q3, and Q4 that will see the increase.

Speaker Change #114: Great. Thanks, Thanks for all the color.

Speaker Change #113: I have a page rest of your day.

Speaker Change #115: Thanks Neil.

Speaker Change #116: Thank you.

Speaker Change #117: Our next question comes from the line.

Naomi Marafatia: Thanks, Naomi. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Neil Dingman of Truist Security. Good morning, guys.

Neil: Of note Dingman of Securities.

Neil Dingman: Thanks for your time. My first question on your Canadian assets, specifically, you've had some nice market-based results in recent quarters on the Canadian crude spreads and NGL markets. I'm just wondering, how are those continuing to trend?

Dingman: Good morning, guys. Thanks for the time My first question is on your Canadian assets, specifically, you've had some nice market based results.

Dingman: In past quarters on the Canadian crude spreads and NGL markets I'm. Just wondering how are those continuing to trend or are they still up into the right as they've been.

Al Swanson: Are they still up and to the right as they've been? So our view is the same as our outlook for the year. We tend to bring those down on the market basis. TMX starts up, so it's in our views, impacts, it's included in our guide.

Speaker Change #118: So our view is the same as our outlook for the year, we tended to bring those down on the market based activities at <unk>.

Speaker Change #118: Our views impact is included in our guidance.

Al Swanson: What I would say is we view that as positive long-term for our Canadian assets, as more production growth and you're probably in a constrained environment again in 2-3 years, so we think more volume will be good for those assets on both the NGL and the crude side, and while there may be fewer market-based opportunities, it could lead to higher tariffs. That's great to hear. Then just a quick, quick one, just what you just were mentioned on the permit. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker Change #118: And what I would say is we view that as positive long term for our Canadian assets as more production growth and you're probably in a constrained environment again in two to three years. So we think more volume will be good for those assets on both the NGL and the crude side and while there may be fewer market based opportunities it could lead to higher tariff based opportunities.

Speaker Change #119: That's great to hear and then just quick one just what you just mentioned that for me to add as Oh go ahead, sorry that movement to the West coast is going to reorganize how things move in the U S to make up for that for those barrels not coming into the U S. So that can create other opportunities for some of our other pipes are in the mid continent.

Neil Dingman: Sorry, that movement to the West Coast is going to reorganize how things move. The U.S. has to make up for that, so those barrels are not coming into the U.S., so that can create other opportunities for some of our other pipelines. Great, great at and then I was just asking about the Permian growth you just mentioned. I think last quarter you talked about maybe 170 Dell rigs versus 120 Midland, so is that still kind of what you anticipate that being the case for the remainder of the year? Yes, the activity balance hasn't really changed very much, but we do see some growth in the Midland Basin, but we think it will be disproportionate. Helpful. Thank you all.

Speaker Change #119: Great Great and then I was just asking on you just mentioned on Permian growth is is the majority of that is still going to come from the Delta I think last quarter, you talked about maybe 170 del rigs versus 120 Midlands. So is that still kind of.

Speaker Change #119: Anticipate that being the case for the remainder of the year.

Speaker Change #119: Yes, the activity balance hasn't really changed very much but we do see some growth in the Midland basin, but we think it will be disproportionately in the Delaware basin.

Speaker Change #120: Helpful. Thank you all.

Speaker Change #121: Thank you.

Speaker Change #122: Our next question.

Jeremy Tenet: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tenet of JPMorgan Security. Please go ahead, Jeremy.

Speaker Change #122: Comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet Jpmorgan Securities. Please go ahead Jeremy.

Jeremy Tenet: Hi, good morning. Good morning, Jeremy. I just want to come back to the recontracting if I could.

Jeremy Tonet: Hi, good morning.

Jeremy Goebel: I want to better understand, I guess, when you say terms consistent with rates, what that means exactly. Does that mean that there's a higher amount contracted at a lower rate, or is there something else? Just wondering why it's consistent with rates and not just those are the rates.

Jeremy Tonet: Good morning, Jeremy.

Jeremy Tonet: I just wanted to come back to the <unk>, if I could wanted to better understand I guess.

When you say it.

Terms consistent with rates what that means exactly does that mean like there is a higher amount contracted at a lower rate or is there something else I'm. Just wondering why it's consistent with rates and not just those are the rates.

Jeremy Goebel: Well, it's a mix of what we have, and we don't really want to get into the specifics of every pipe and what the tariff is. I think the key point on that, Jeremy, is that when you look at the recently built pipes, it's a buck 25 to buck 50. And essentially, what we're telling you is that we've been able to recontract successfully with our partners at rates that are competitive with that.

Jeremy Tonet: Well, it's a mix of what we've got and it's we don't really want to get into the specifics of every pipe and what the tariff is I think the key point on that Jeremy is if when you look at the recently built pipes.

About 25% above 50, and essentially what we're telling you is that we've been able to re contract successfully with our partners at at rates that are competitive with that and going forward I think it's a reset and that we don't have we have less center far out of market as we go forward and as the basement tightens, we would expect that there could be some pressure upwards on that.

Jeremy Goebel: And going forward, I think it's a reset in that we don't have, we have less that are far out of market as we go forward. And as the basin tightens, we would expect that there could be some pressure increase. Got it. That's very helpful.

Al Swanson: And then just wanted to come back to the guidance, if I could appreciate it that early in the year, and you don't want to move it just yet. But with the acquisitions, you know, presumably bringing upside to results for the year, are there other, I guess, headwinds that have materialized so far that would be an offset, or just trying to better understand the gives and takes, or just as the year progresses, would you account for that upside later? Jeremy, this is Al.

Speaker Change #123: Got it that's very helpful. Thank you and then just wanted to come back to the guidance. If I could appreciate that it's early in the year and you don't want to move it just yet, but with the acquisitions, presumably bringing upside to results for the year are there other I guess headwinds that have materialized. So far that would be an offset or just trying to better understand.

Speaker Change #123: Stan the gives and takes there just as the year progresses.

Would account for that upside later.

Al Swanson: Jeremy This is al.

Al Swanson: The acquisition of the 110, the impact that we'll be seeing this year would be very modest and well within the range we have. Our base business is performing in line with expectation, as Willie mentioned in his prepared remarks. So, you know, if you run the math on $110 million and recognize that it's only a partial year, it was not enough to show that our business is performing in line with what we, Hey Jeremy, this is Will again. Just a clarification, the specific $1.25 to $1.50 was really around Cactus One. However, we've got other pipelines that are in the mix and we have a weighted average concept that I got it.

Al Swanson: The acquisition of the 110.

Al Swanson: The impact that will be seen this year would be very modest and well with inside the range. We have our base businesses performing in line with expectation as Willy mentioned on his prepared.

Speaker Change #124: Remarks so.

Speaker Change #124: If you run the math on $110 million and recognize that it's only a partial year it was not enough for us to it.

Speaker Change #124: Now for our business, but our business is performing in line with what we expected.

Speaker Change #124: Hey, Jeremy This is Willie you just a clarification the specific dollars 25 to <unk> 50 that wasn't really around cactus. One. However, we've got other pipelines that are in the mix and we have a weighted average concept that we look at but it really the $1 25 to about $50 related to the cactus one re contracting.

Got it very helpful. Thank you. Thank.

Thank you.

Speaker Change #124: Thank you.

Speaker Change #125: Our next question.

Willie Chang: Very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John McKay of Goldman Sachs. Hey guys, good morning.

Speaker Change #125: Comes from the line of John Mackay of Goldman Sachs.

John McKay: Thanks for the time. Now that you're having some of these conversations with your shippers around kind of back half of a decade volumes and rates, we'd just be curious if there's anything you can share on how the market's developing for Houston versus Corpus Dynamics, whether or not some of the big export projects proposed out there are kind of playing into those conversations yet. I appreciate it. Yeah, I would say they had absolutely no impact on the discussions that we had. You have to think about it. There are already a couple million barrels of paint headed, close to three headed to Corpus, right?

John Mackay: Hey, guys. Good morning, Thanks for the time.

John Mackay: I just figured now that you are having some conversations with shippers around kind of back half of the decade volumes and rates would just be curious is there anything you can share on how the market's developing for four kind of Houston versus corpus dynamics, whether or not some some of the big export projects proposed out there.

Speaker Change #126: There are kind of playing into those conversations yet I appreciate it.

Speaker Change #127: I would say they had absolutely no impact on the discussions that we had I think the view.

Speaker Change #127: Offshore export facility get built you have to think about there is already a couple of million barrels a day and in the Houston and close to three headed into core business right. So.

John McKay: Those balances may not change very much, and you have production growth in between. We're talking about a project three to four years from now where you could have half a million to 800,000 barrels of daily more production. I think you're going to move inland, less efficient docks offshore, maybe take some production growth, but you'll still be full to the core. So it didn't impact the discussions at all, and it's more of an and as opposed to or.

Speaker Change #127: Those balances may not change very much and you have production growth in between we're talking about a project three years to four years from now where you could have half a million to 800000 barrels a day more production I think youre going to move inland less efficient docks offshore maybe take some production growth, but youll still be full to corpus. So it didn't impact of this.

Sessions at all and it's more of an <unk> and as opposed to or.

John McKay: All right, that's fair. Maybe just one last one, maybe just another comment on the weather challenges or otherwise in the first quarter so we understand kind of the general Permian trajectories intact.

Alright, that's fair maybe just one last one maybe just another comment on the weather challenges or otherwise in first quarter.

Jeremy Goebel: Just when we're looking at kind of Permian gathering versus long haul, was there more of an impact on one versus the other? And maybe just how we think about, you know, a 2Q trajectory versus a second half pickup. Thanks. This is Jeremy.

Speaker Change #127: Understand kind of general Permian trajectories in tact.

Speaker Change #127: When we're looking at kind of Permian gathering versus long haul was there more of a impact on one versus the other.

Speaker Change #127: Maybe just how we think about <unk> trajectory versus.

Speaker Change #127: A second half pickup.

Jeremy Goebel: The way I look at this is the gathering was more impacted by weather; the market impacted the long haul. It's just a matter of, was it better for our shippers to buy at Midland, buy at the end of the pipe, or at the dock? And so sometimes they'll just change their behaviors and how they ship, and it could be a measure of what inventories are in Cushing and what demands and turnarounds are in Cushing. So I'd say the long haul is impacted by the market, while the gathering was more impacted by the weather. All right. I've got it.

Speaker Change #127: This is Jeremy the way I'd look at this as the gathering was more impacted by whether the markets impacted the long haul. It's just a matter of where the bid was it better for our shippers to buy at Midland by at the end of the pipe or is the dock and so sometimes they will just change their behaviors and how they ship and it could be a measure of.

Speaker Change #127: What are inventories in Cushing and water demand and turnaround in Cushing. So I'd say long haul is impacted by market. The gathering was more impacted by.

Speaker Change #127: The.

Speaker Change #127: That weather.

Speaker Change #128: Alright got it thank you.

Speaker Change #129: Thank you.

Speaker Change #130: Our next question.

John McKay: Thank you. Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Teresa Chen from Barker. Hi Teresa.

Speaker Change #130: Comes from the line of Theresa Chen of Barclays.

Theresa Chen: Hi, Theresa.

Teresa Chen: Morning, thank you for taking my questions. First, I wanted to ask about the upcoming maintenance on Winked Webster and how that might translate to incremental throughput on the basin pipeline, and maybe you're pushing assets given the slot capacity there. Is that an opportunity for incremental earnings, either from a throughput and volumetric perspective or marketing optimization? Theresa, this is Jeremy.

Theresa Chen: Good morning, Thank you for taking my question.

Theresa Chen: First I wanted to ask about the upcoming maintenance bundled wink Webster and how that might translate to incremental.

Theresa Chen: Put on basin pipeline, and maybe youre pushing assets given the slack capacity there is that an opportunity for incremental earnings either from a.

Theresa Chen: Following metric perspective or marketing optimization.

Jeremy Goebel: The way I look at it is that the 10 days of scheduled downtime. There are ways to get it out, right? A lot of that will come from the export pipes to the Gulf Coast will be full. There's some capacity there. The barrels do need to get to Colorado City, which we can do. The barrels will likely flow on to Bridgetex as a result of Windsor-Webster being down. So you'll see more Bridgetex flows, more Colorado City flows, and when it gets to Colorado City, you're likely to see more Mason flows.

Theresa Chen: Theresa This is Jeremy and look at it is that 10 days of scheduled downtime.

There is ways to get it out a lot of that will.

Theresa Chen: Export pipes to the Gulf coast will be full or some capacity there that do need to get to Colorado City, which we can assist with available likely flow onto bridge tax as a result of linked to Webster being down to use even more breakfast expose more Colorado city flows and when it gets to Colorado City, we're likely to see more basin flows. So I think all three.

Jeremy Goebel: So I think all three of those could happen, plus you'll see significant flows through all the... understood. And on the WCS front, as TMX is line filling, we're seeing the differentials come in at this point, give some color on how that's impacting your marketing activities. And maybe just broadly, you know, looking past this, if you have a rule of thumb on the magnitude of impact that, you know, differentials on WCS specifically impact the crude segment just from a quarter to quarter basis, that'd be helpful.

Theresa Chen: Those could happen plus you'll see.

Theresa Chen: Significant flows through all the corpus pipes.

Theresa Chen: Understood.

Theresa Chen: And on the WCS plant as <unk>, we're seeing the differentials come in at this point give some color on how that's impacting your marketing activities and maybe just broadly looking past this.

Theresa Chen: You have a rule of thumb on the.

Theresa Chen: The magnitude of impact that differential on WCS, specifically and tax the crude segment to just from a quarter to quarter basis that'd be helpful.

Jeremy Goebel: Thanks, Rita. I don't think we'll give specific guidance, but what I would say is it will be included in our outlook. I'd say there are plenty of ways for us to optimize around our assets between grades other than WCF.

Speaker Change #131: Thanks, So I don't think we will give specific guidance, but what I would say it will be included in our outlook I would say there is plenty of ways for us to optimize around our assets between grades other than WCS WCS is one component of the marketing activities in Canada.

Jeremy Goebel: WCF is one component of the marketing, Canada, but there also will be storage opportunities and other things as it starts up. High complicated that will have difficulty starting up, and it'll create opportunities. Also, flow changes of that magnitude away from the U.S. So it may end up with more tariff-based opportunities, less market-based opportunities. But we would expect the market-based opportunities to come back as Canadian production. Theresa, this is Willie. I think the key point on this is we've always said with the shift in flow, you know, it's four to six hundred thousand barrels a day, potentially short term. There could be some blips in the long term.

Speaker Change #131: There also will be storage opportunities and other things as it starts up no pipe tightest complicated that we will have difficulty starting up and it'll create opportunities also flow changes of that magnitude away from the U S. So it may end up more tariff based opportunities less market based opportunities, but we would expect the market based opportunities to come back.

Speaker Change #131: As Canadian production growth.

Speaker Change #131: Theresa This is Willie I think the key point on this is we've always said with the with the shift in flow four to 600000 barrels a day potentially short term there could be some blips long term, we think its very healthy because it sounds good price signals to the Canadians to to develop more resource and it's quite frankly, a great opportunity for them.

Willie Chang: We think it's very healthy because it sends good price signals to the Canadians to develop more resources. And it's quite frankly, you know, a great opportunity for the Canadian resource base to increase. The only thing I would add is that it's actually coming online, and this stuff is happening pretty well in line with what we assumed in our original, Got it. Thank you. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Willie Chang for his closing remarks, sir.

Speaker Change #131: Canadian resource base to increase and this is al the only thing I would add is that it's actually coming online and this stuff is happening pretty well in line with what we assumed in our original February guidance.

Speaker Change #132: Got it thank you.

Speaker Change #132: Sure.

Speaker Change #132: Thank you I would now like to turn the conference back to Willie Chiang for closing remarks, Sir.

Willie Chang: Thank you. As always, we enjoy visiting with you. Thanks for dialing in and for your ongoing attention and support of what we're doing. We look forward to seeing you out on the road. Talk to you soon. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

Willie Chiang: Thank you as always we enjoy visiting with you thanks for dialing in and your.

Your ongoing attention and support of what we're doing we look forward to seeing you out on the on the road talk to you soon.

Speaker Change #133: And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating you may now disconnect.

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