Q2 2024 FuelCell Energy Inc Earnings Call
Good morning, My name is Andre and I will be your conference operator today.
At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the fuel cell energy second quarter of fiscal 2024 financial results Conference call.
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And good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us on the call today as a reminder, this call is being recorded this morning fuel cell energy released our financial results for the second quarter of 2024 in our earnings press release, and our quarterly report on Form 10-Q are available in the investors section of our website at www dot fuel cell energy.
Dot com.
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Four we begin please note that some of the information that you will hear or be provided with today will consist of forward looking statements with the meaning of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
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Our call today I'm joined by Jason few fuel cell Energy's, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Bishop fuel cell energy as executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.
Following our prepared remarks, we will be available to take your questions and be joined by other members of the leadership team.
I would now like to hand, the call over to Jason for opening remarks, Jason.
Thank you Tom and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on our call today.
I am very pleased with our results for the second quarter as we continue to execute on our powerhouse business strategy.
Our revenue climb sequentially compared to our first quarter, but as expected decreased compared to the prior year period due to the fact that there were no module exchanges. This quarter, while there were eight module exchanges in the prior year period.
Our on balance sheet 62, eight megawatt generation portfolio achieved 67% revenue growth year over year, which included a full quarter of revenue from three projects that began operation in the first quarter.
During and subsequent to the quarter end, we had some significant commercial wins.
And we've also announced an update and extension of our joint development agreement with Exxonmobil low carbon solution business.
Additionally, we've made progress on cost management and continued our disciplined approach to capital allocation, enabling us to continue our focus on pursuing growth, while managing our expenses related to scale R&D and capex.
A number of important data points are included on slide three but we think our overall success is most evident through our technological solutions for and collaboration with some of the world's largest global companies, including our work with Exxonmobil Toyota Pfizer Canadian nuclear laboratories.
<unk> and IBM to name a few.
All of Us at <unk> energy are very proud to be global leaders in electrochemical technology all in support of our purpose to enable the world empowered by clean energy.
We are working to achieve this purpose by deploying our proprietary fuel cell technology platforms for energy delivery and emissions management around the world to accomplish two fundamental technological applications decarbonising power in industry and producing hydrogen.
Turning to key messages for the quarter.
As you know we have a long standing relationship with Exxonmobil technology, and engineering company, our amtech, which provide technical support to Exxon Mobil's low carbon solutions business in April we extended our joint development agreement through the end of 2026, allowing development work on carbon capture technology to.
<unk>.
We also continue to progress our pilot project at Esso Nederland Bvs manufacturing complex in Rotterdam, Netherlands.
I will share more details in a few moments and how we are working with exxon's low carbon solution business.
Second we've had a number of commercial wins substantially increase in our backlog during fiscal 2020 for.
The most significant commercial win is in South Korea, a market, where we have made expanding our reach with applications like electrolysis time to power and Sidoti recovery and carbon capture a top priority. After the end of the second quarter, we announced an agreement to supply Gogan Jean <unk>.
<unk> energy or GE, GE, and South Korea, with 42 upgraded replacement fuel cell modules in connection with the sale of these modules. We also entered into a new seven year service agreement under which fuel cell energy will support GE Ge's Wausau bottling industry complex.
<unk> is the world's largest fuel cell power platform installed at a single site.
In total this transaction adds approximately $160 million to our backlog and represents an incredibly important milestone for our company in a market that has embraced fuel cell technology as essential to its energy infrastructure.
We look forward to continuing our relationship with GE, providing them with excellent service and continuing to expand our business in South Korea.
During the quarter, we also announced a deal for our carbonate fuel cell technology, which will be used in a bio generation project developed by <unk> for the Sacramento area sewer district to convert onsite biofuels into clean electricity.
The project will be powered by one of our two eight megawatt carbonate fuel cell platforms, which produces carbon neutral electricity and usable heat from biogas and has the potential for future production of renewable green hydrogen similar to our port of long Beach Toyota installation.
We also entered into an agreement to provide comprehensive maintenance services for the fuel cell system, which will ensure that sacramental sewer can focus on its mission of protecting public health and the environment, while delivering renewable power from the cleanest technology available.
Fourth we are taking proactive steps to maintain the strength of our balance sheet.
And as we grow we will do so in a cost effective way following a disciplined approach to managing capital investment by establishing investment triggers linked to key milestones we have taken concrete steps this quarter to manage cost for managing the pace of our solid oxide expansion to changes in the <unk>.
Structure of our engineering team to managing R&D and Capex with the goal of positioning ourselves for long term financial success.
We are making critical investments to position <unk> energy future.
Future growth, while taking a highly disciplined approach to maintaining cash and liquidity.
Finally, we continue to evaluate potential options to benefit from global energy transition policies in the US These include the legacy investment tax credit program as well as incentives under 45 Q for carbon capture 48, <unk> for the development and construction of clean energy manufacturing <unk>.
The potential benefits from the new hydrogen production tax credit as we await final guidance from the IRS and U S Treasury related to <unk> 45.
Add to this the numerous supportive policies around the world and we believe that fuel cell energy is positioned well to take advantage of available opportunities.
Next turning to the extension of the GTA and our work with Exxon's low carbon business on slide six.
From the extension of the <unk> through the end of 2026 represents a significant milestone for our company in order to reach this stage. The technology met several key technical performance criteria, which is a major accomplishment for the talented scientists and engineers from both of our companies. This.
This success also reinforces our view that there are significant commercial possibilities to extend the value and opportunity for our carbonate technology by delivering what we believe will be superior carbon capture technology at a lower cost.
The extension of the <unk> is designed to allow fuel cell energy and exxon's low carbon business to pursue multiple commercial opportunities with.
The carbon capture enhancements to our core technology jointly developed with Exxon to be demonstrated in Rotterdam features an optimized design for large scale installations.
Through this updated agreement DSO energy has the opportunity to pursue carbon capture opportunities using our current generation of carbonate modules by incorporating carbon capture improvements derived from our joint development work.
We can move more quickly to provide access to the superior technology and our existing platform targeting 250, K ta or kilo tons per annum as an opportunity to demonstrate the technology capabilities earlier, while we complete the work to demonstrate large <unk>.
<unk> scale carbon capture at <unk> refinery in Rotterdam.
We believe the ability to incorporate improvements developed under the GTA entity also energy's current generation modules will enhance the capabilities of our power hydrogen and carbon recovery solutions and provide the ability to offer more attractive near term carbon capture solutions to our <unk>.
Customers. Additionally, he also energy and Exxonmobil are continuing to progress discussions for a commercial framework aimed at enabling deployment of the carbonate fuel cell technology for carbon capture through exxon's, low carbon solutions business and fuel cell energy too.
Turning to slide seven we are excited about the promising potential of this technology to capture Cotwo from industrial and commercial exhaust streams with the goal of helping to solve one of the world's biggest environmental challenges DSO.
DSO Rotterdam pilot project is co funded by the European Union under the admissions trading systems innovation fund and by the Netherlands Enterprise agency by means of a demonstration energy and climate innovation dei plus brand.
Speaker Change: This manufacturing site will be the first place in the world to pilot. This differentiated multi feature technology that captures <unk> emissions from industrial sources, while simultaneously generating electricity and hydrogen.
The ability to deliver these valuable co products is targeted to improve the economics of carbon capture lowered the barrier to broader adoption of carbon capture in this marketplace and deliver decarbonize electricity and hydrogen.
Next as Youll see on slide eight we have entered into an exciting new relationship with <unk> to use our carbonate fuel cell technology in a bio generation project for the Sacramento area sewer district.
Wastewater treatment is a particularly attractive application for our platforms and California remains an important geography for our company.
Some of the inherent benefits in this application are.
Our carbonate fuel cell platform runs directly on biogas created on site from the wastewater treatment process.
Our proprietary fuel cell cleanup system removes contaminants to maximize usable onsite biogas.
Waste heat generated by the fuel cell will be used to support the anaerobic process that creates biogas and.
The fuel cells chemical reaction is virtually free of Nox.
<unk> and particular matter emissions, improving air quality for the community.
In California, <unk> platforms have received key certification under the California Air Resource Board distributed generation standards, which allows the local air quality management district to utilize a streamlined air permitting process accelerating the installation of clean energy projects the company pursues in.
In the state.
The sacramental sewer project represents our fourth biogas project in California, with our other plants already installed and Riverside to Lori and San Bernardino.
Turning to slide nine.
Speaker Change: As we mentioned earlier in the call subsequent to the end of the quarter, we signed a significant long term service agreement to support <unk>, Washington fallen Industrial complex. In addition to the $160 million. This project adds to our backlog our engagement with GE also demonstrates our.
Our ability to rollout and service large scale power projects a capability, we think is unique to fuel cell energy.
Importantly, our carbonate technology is a proprietary and proven design today DSO energy operates eight large scale platforms ranging from 11, two megawatts to $58 eight megawatts and of these eight platforms seven have been in operations for five years or more.
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One rapidly growing need, particularly in the U S is for new data center construction to support investment in AI.
Strong demand for additional computing power has been set back by the limitations of the current power grid, which is unable to meet the energy demands of large AI data centers.
Current projections for power usage show that this bottleneck is only expected to grow creating of substantial addressable market for the large scale baseload power projects that are one of our unique strengths.
No other fuel cell provider has implemented run and supported large megawatt projects at our same scale, making fuel cell energy uniquely positioned to meet the immediate and future needs tied to the data center growth, we have demonstrated our large scale platform capabilities at <unk>.
In the U S and Asia, providing customers and prospective customers with the operating data to support a fuel cell energy purchase decision. In addition, we have delivered platforms integrated with absorption chilling, thus fully taken advantage of our ability to deliver steam or thermal energy ideal.
For cooling Datacenters dataset.
Data centers require continuous power and our continuous baseload platforms provide the reliability and resiliency datacenters need finally.
We have a proven track record and micro grid applications, which are crucial for data centers. We are actively pursuing opportunities in this sector and believe our business is uniquely suited to capitalize on this secular trend.
And now I would like to turn the call over to our CFO Mike Bishop.
Thank you, Jason and good morning to everybody on the call today, let's begin by reviewing the financial highlights for the quarter as shown on slide 11 for the second quarter of fiscal year 2024, We reported total revenues of $22 4 million compared to revenues of $38 3 million in the prior year quarter.
In the second quarter of fiscal year 2024, we reported a net loss of $37 7 million compared to a net loss of $33 9 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2023.
The resulting net loss per share attributable to common stockholders in the second quarter of fiscal year 2024 was negative seven compared to negative <unk> in the second quarter of fiscal year 2023, the net loss per common share benefited from the higher number of weighted average shares outstanding due to share issuances.
Since April 32023.
Adjusted EBITDA totaled negative $26 5 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2024, compared to adjusted EBITDA of negative $26 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2023. Please see the discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA in the appendix at the end of our <unk>.
Earnings release.
Finally, we reported a strong total cash and short term investment position of approximately $313 2 million consisting of cash cash equivalents restricted cash and investments in U S. Treasuries as of April 32024.
Next on Slide 12, you will see additional details on our financial performance and backlog and the graph on the left hand side of the slide revenue is broken down by category.
Service agreement revenues decreased to $1 4 million for the second quarter of fiscal year 2024 from $26 2 million in the prior year period. The decrease in service agreement revenues was primarily driven by the fact, there were no module exchanges during the second quarter of fiscal year 2024.
Service agreement revenues recognized during the prior year quarter, primarily driven by module exchanges at the plants owned by Korea Southern Power Company in Korea.
Generation revenues increased 67% to $14 1 million from $8 4 million, primarily driven by revenue from the Toyota in Derby projects, which began operations in the first quarter of fiscal 2024.
Advanced technology contract revenues increased to $6 9 million from $3 7 million compared to the prior year quarter advanced technology contract revenues recognized under our <unk> with Amtech were approximately <unk> 1 million lower and revenue recognized under government contracts and other contracts were approximately three.
$3 million higher advanced technology contract revenues for the second quarter of fiscal 2024 also include revenues arising from the purchase order previously received from Esso, Netherlands, BV or Esso and an affiliate of <unk>.
<unk> Tec and Exxonmobil Corporation.
Looking at the right hand side of the slide I will walk through the changes in gross loss profit and operating expenses.
Gross loss for the second quarter of fiscal 2024 totaled $7 1 million compared to a gross loss of $6 $1 million in the comparable prior year quarter. The gross loss is in part a result of unfavorable margins for generation, which included expense construction in gas costs related to the Toyota project of $2 6 million.
And a mark to market net loss of $2 3 million related to natural gas purchase contracts in the three months ended April 32024, the gross loss in the comparable prior year period, primarily resulted from lower generation margins due to $4 5 million of expense construction and gas costs related to the toy.
To project, partially offset by higher service margins related to module exchanges.
Operating expenses for the second quarter of fiscal 2024 increased to $34 3 million from $29 8 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2023.
Research and development expenses increased to $16 6 million during the second quarter of fiscal 2024 compared to $14 7 million in the prior year period. The increase in research and development expenses reflects increased spending on labor and materials and our ongoing commercial development efforts, including increased head count.
<unk> related to our solid oxide power generation in electrolysis platforms, and carbon separation and carbon recovery solution.
On the bottom right of the slide you will see the backlog increased to 1.06 billion as of April 32024, compared to 1.02 billion as of April 32023.
This change was primarily a result of the service agreement with no Green Energy Company limited entered into during fiscal year ended October 31, 2023 increases and advanced technology contract backlog as a result of the purchase order received from Esso during the first quarter of fiscal year 2024 and <unk>.
Additional advanced technology contract backlog related to amendment number five to the GTA between the company and Amtech entered into in April 2024, partially offset by revenue recognition under generation service and advanced technology agreements since April 32023.
Subsequent to the end of the quarter, we announced that we have entered into a long term service agreement with GE pursuant to which we will provide <unk> with 40 214 megawatt upgraded replacement carbonate fuel cell modules. The total amount payable by GE under this new long term service agreement for the <unk>.
Placement fuel cell modules balance of plant replacement components and service is approximately $160 million.
Which will be paid over time as replacement fuel cell modules are commissioned and the service obligations for such modules commenced under the long term service agreement. This $160 million agreement was added to the Companys backlog in our third quarter as of May 28, 2024.
Next on Slide 13, we have an update on our cash and liquidity during the quarter. We closed on our project debt financing transaction with Liberty Bank, and Connecticut Green Bank for our two projects in Derby, Connecticut, which recently began operations.
Net funding to the company totaled approximately $11 5 million after deducting transaction fees and debt service reserves.
In term of the senior facility is seven years and the subordinated credit facility is 14 years the interest rate for the senior debt is fixed at seven 5% and the interest rate for the subordinated debt is fixed at 8%.
During the three months ended April 32020 for approximately $6 5 million shares of our common stock were sold under the amended open market sale agreement at an average sale price of <unk> 98 per share, resulting in net proceeds to the company of approximately $5 9 million after deducting sales commissions and fees.
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As of April 32024, cash and cash equivalents investments and U S treasuries and restricted cash and cash equivalents totaled $313 $2 million. This includes approximately $158 8 million of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents $101 3 million of short term.
Investments in U S treasuries, and $53 1 million of restricted cash and cash equivalents.
Subsequent to quarter end the company raised an additional $31 7 million through the sale of common stock under the Companys amended open market sale agreement after deducting commissions and fees.
Turning to slide 14.
On our 2023 fourth quarter earnings call, we presented our targeted investment plan for fiscal year 2024.
As Jason previously mentioned, we are committed to following a disciplined approach to managing our investments as we grow by establishing triggers linked to key milestones and keeping with this approach. Some of our previously planned spending is now expected to shift into fiscal year 2025.
First we are now expecting to make $45 million to $60 million in capital expenditures for property plant and equipment in fiscal year 2024 down from the $60 million to $75 million. We originally planned for the fiscal year. These updated capital amounts are in addition to capital expenditures and our commitments made by the company in <unk>.
Full year 2023 to upgrade our manufacturing facilities.
These priorities include expansion of solid oxide manufacturing capacity at our Calgary facility to 40 megawatts of solid oxide electrolysis cell production per year, which is now expected to be completed in calendar year 2025.
The company is also exploring adding certain solid oxide manufacturing capabilities to its torrington, Connecticut production facility. We are also investing in our torrington manufacturing facility for molten carbonate, including adding capabilities for carbon recovery and carbon capture manufacturing and testing.
Internally funded research and development expenses for fiscal year 2024 are now projected to be in the range of $60 million to $65 million, reflecting a decrease from our prior estimated expenses for fiscal year 2024 priorities for R&D are to continue to accelerate the commercialization of our advanced technology.
<unk> solutions for distributed hydrogen hydrogen based long duration energy storage and hydrogen power generation.
Lastly, we lowered the estimated investment in project assets and our generation portfolio to $10 million to $15 million for fiscal 2024 compared to the previously provided range of $15 million to $25 million as a result of the timing of the Trinity project, which is now expected to be constructed and commissioned in calendar year <unk>.
Speaker Change: 25.
In summary, the adjustments described on this slide represent a reduction in planned spending of up to $30 million in fiscal year 2024, assuming the high end of the range, we will continue to pursue opportunities to reduce costs across our product platforms and business operations.
While executing on our strategic growth initiatives.
I will now turn the call back to Jason.
Thanks, Mike.
I Hope you have all seen the progress we have made in the second quarter and have greater visibility and clarity into the drivers of our business.
When we sell one of our products to a customer who realizes the value on our clean power solutions we win.
When we provide reliable power and services to these customers we win.
When we turn our emerging technologies into new project sales we win.
When we do all of this in a cost disciplined manner balancing our commitment to service and innovative research with our commitment to generating returns for investors we win.
Our goal this year is to put more wins on the board.
This quarter showed many of these examples and we look forward to providing more positive updates in the quarters ahead.
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We'll go first to George Gnrh, guys at Canaccord Genuity.
Hi, Good morning, everyone and thank you for taking my questions.
Rich how are you. This morning, Thank you for calling and then Greg yourself.
Doing fantastic. Thank you.
So I'd just like to focus on slide 14, four seconds, reducing spending by up to about $30 million did I hear correctly that you're expecting some of this project spend to extend into fiscal 'twenty five.
Also you had mentioned in the past that you had this reversible solid oxide platform that you expect to start in.
In 2027 is that still on track. Thank you.
Good morning, George This is Mike I will take the first part of that question as far as our planned spend in fiscal 2024, yes on slide 14, we did summarize the adjustments that we've made this fiscal year, reducing capex, reducing company funded R&D.
<unk> expenditures and reducing project asset spending specific to your question around project assets. The range. We expected this year is $10 million to $15 million.
Previously we were in the 15% to $25 million range that assumed that the Trinity, Connecticut project would be completed in fiscal 2020 for that project has now been extended into fiscal 2025, which is the reason for lowering that particular estimate.
And George with respect to reverse will solid oxide remains on our product roadmap, but as we've outlined in today's call. We're really pacing our spending based on how we see market adoption, we think with our technologies, we're well positioned today to be around a number of different opportunities depending on how.
The market evolves rather that's.
Using hydrogen as a long duration energy storage, which we continue to believe is ultimately a more compelling solution than a mineral based solution.
Rather the opportunities emerge faster along the lines of carbon recovery or carbon capture.
And the opportunity, we see just increasing around distributed power generation as interconnection <unk> continue to extend out.
On grids at least certainly domestically and you see some of that happening in international markets as well. So we think our technology puts us all close to the proximity of where we see the market opportunities developing in our investments will be really.
Guided by what we see happening from a.
And market adoption standpoint.
Thank you and maybe as a follow up.
This new <unk> partnership.
And the one particular wastewater treatment facility that youll be deployed in there just any color around any pipeline there and the partnership with <unk> and if there are additional facilities, where you could see.
He joined deployment, thank you and I'll get back in queue.
Yes, so with with <unk>. This is our first project, we've done with <unk>, but it's certainly not our first bio gas direct biogas project and we think that this trend will continue to develop as an attractive opportunity for for us as a company, we think that edge.
As you look across states and cities all over America as an example, and even in Europe. There is a continued push to move away from landfill waste, which essentially means most of that waste is going to end up being part of some anaerobic digestion process and they're going to create fuel that need.
To be utilize what gives us unique advantages that we're able to use that fuel directly on site, which also reduces the cost associated with that fuel because we don't need to get that fueled a pipeline quality. We can utilize that fuel and then utilize the thermal energy of our platform to actually accelerate.
Anaerobic digestion process.
So we have an expectation that this project with <unk> will be a successful one.
As an EPC firm, we would anticipate that they would pursue other opportunities.
Like the one at the sacramental sewer district, and we think that the success of this project will give us an opportunity to participate in more of those as we move forward.
Thank you.
We will move to our next question from Samir Jan at UBS.
Hey, good morning, guys could you provide.
On the chart John John.
Partnerships.
Yes.
Good morning, and thank you for the question. So our Tri Gen system is fully operational at the Port of long Beach in California, and as you know it provides three valuable streams to Toyota we provide electricity, we provide hydrogen and water all three.
Those are used directly onsite.
We suspect that as Toyota continues to advance its efforts to distribute hydrogen based fuel cell electric vehicles that that would create additional opportunities for that technology. We're excited to see recent news story that Honda is starting to build fuel cell electric.
Vehicles here in the United States in Columbus, Ohio, So we think that that really begins to.
Throw support for the trend around fuel cell electric vehicle transportation.
In light duty transportation in addition to heavy duty transportation, where.
We think it makes a lot of sense as well because you don't pay the penalty for excess weight with batteries on a fuel cell electric vehicle on the heavy class eight side. So we're working very closely with Toyota we have a good relationship with Toyota and we suspect that we will have opportunities to pursue other tri Gen project.
Mark.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes, the way EPS.
We will go next to Ryan.
Thanks with B Riley.
There is risk associated with that.
I can't really say.
Jason You mentioned the data center opportunity.
Are you in discussions with potential data center customers today, just trying to get a sense of how advanced those conversations might be.
Yeah, Ryan we are and Im actually joined by Mark <unk>, Our Chief commercial officer. So I'll have him maybe jump in and give you a sense of the kind of conversations that we're having but we're very engaged in those conversations and then one thing that I would say like we mentioned in the prepared remarks, we think that positions us incredibly well.
Brian for the data center opportunities that we have demonstrated our ability to deploy large scale platforms. I mean, if you look at the GE platform that $58 eight megawatts, we have multiple 20 megawatt platforms.
As well, we have large platforms running here in the United States and that differentiates us from any other fuel cell provider.
And so as data centers are looking for onsite generation at large scale, we feel like we're well positioned but ill have mark give you a few other insights on our customer conversations yes, Jason. Thank you. So as you can imagine in having these conversations with data center customers, they're very interested in a number of different.
That has to do with how they can bring energy in a sustainable reliable way to this new load. In addition to the well publicized interconnection accused that are long and the ability for the grid to serve are not there's other kind of constraints that these customers face as well such as air quality restrictions in certain areas and so.
As Jason mentioned with with respect to our work in California.
Our demonstrated ability to be able to operate large generation plants at scale and avoiding some of those criteria and mittens that can result in.
Long delayed implementations of energy is a very important advantage. So we are in the midst of technical economic decisions conversations with many datacenter companies around the world and especially focused right here in North America.
And Brian maybe I'll just add one other thing as we think about advantages for us obviously proven demonstrate a large scale like I said, we've got platforms that are 50 megawatts 20 megawatts that had been running for five years or more so proven and demonstrated capability to large scale <unk>.
Secondly, when you think about these edge data centers and the need to get data centers closer to where the consumption is actually taking place air permitting becomes a big issue well, we have an advantage in air permitting because we don't combust fuel so we're not admitting.
Speaker Change: <unk> Nox and other particulars thirdly, when you think about edge data centers, we have another advantage because of noise. We don't have moving parts. So we operate at a very low decibel level. So we're able to deploy our platform in urban areas. Another big advantages. The fact that we're a high temperature and that gives us an advantaged actually.
Integrate.
With absorption chilling because all of these edge data centers need lots of cooling to operate those data centers and so if you think about just those things as you know.
Just four examples of where we have proven advantage and demonstrated capabilities and then add to that maybe the fifth one is the fact that we have demonstrated success in micro grid applications. So our ability to integrate with the data center and the grid and provide that level of redundancy, we think puts us in a real.
Nice position to offer a very compelling solution to data center operators.
Great I really appreciate all that color. Thank you Marc as well.
Just.
One more from me can you walk through the expected revenue cadence for the GE agreement.
Good morning, Ryan This is Mike so.
Yes, so high level. The GE agreement is $160 million what that agreement includes is replacement of the 42 fuel cell modules at the <unk> site, and then service for seven years as well as maintenance around the around the balance of plant. So the way this.
Initially rollout is the first six replacement modules will be delivered in.
In our fourth fiscal quarter. So we would expect revenue recognition related to those modules.
In the fourth quarter and then from there. The next 30 modules will be shipped and delivered during calendar 2025 and <unk>.
Final six modules will be.
Delivered in the first half of 2026, so revenue recognition will essentially follow.
Those module is being delivered to the customer site.
Got it all very helpful I'll turn it back thanks.
Yes.
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We will go next to Noel parks at Tuohy Brothers.
Hi, Good morning, just had a couple.
I was interested in the R&D spending and.
You revised the.
Expectation for the year and I was wondering if you could break out a little bit.
Weather.
Those increases are likely to be.
I'm sorry, the current spending rate is going to be.
More in the cabinet product.
Solid oxide or carbon recovery and you could sort of characterize the examples of what some of the projects or initiatives are that.
Ed.
Sure Noelle this is Mike I'll take that one so yes in our disclosures around company funded R&D, we reduced the range from $60 million to $70 million to $60 to $65 million, we're at about $32 million in.
In the first half of the calendar first half of the fiscal year excuse me. So so essentially remaining flat the rest of the year the investments that we're making in R&D at that line in our financial statements are really around our solid oxide solution. So this is solid oxide power Gen as well.
As hydrogen based long duration energy storage and electrolysis for producing hydrogen around carbon capture that you mentioned, that's a funded project.
It's coming with.
Our joint development agreement with Exxon as well as the recent purchase order that we entered into around the Rotterdam projects. So that's flowing through <unk>.
Advanced technologies and the company is getting paid for that.
Particular work.
Okay great.
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Speaker Change: I was just kind of a.
Housekeeping question.
Notice that depreciation sequentially was a bit higher this quarter I wonder if that was just a timing thing related to either onboarding are rolling off.
No problem.
Inventory.
Yes, depreciation did did tick up and that's a result of newer projects coming online. So we we've previously.
We announced the two Derby projects came online in the first fiscal quarter as did the Toyota project. So you are now starting to see the depreciation from those projects coming through the financial statements.
Got it thanks a lot.
Yes, no problem.
We'll move next to Jeffrey Campbell at Seaport Research partners.
Okay.
Good morning.
Want to go back to slide six.
If we could expand a little bit on the fuel cell.
Our ability to utilize this technology.
Referring to carbon capture.
In small to mid scale applications through the agreement term.
And I am.
Not meaning to be majority of in any way I'm. Just wondering is that sort of a theoretical concept at this point or do you already have a design or a smaller application.
Do you have is there an active marketing effort going on here, maybe what type of.
Application do you think would have.
The results sooner than later.
And also.
If something comes through is that going to be.
Competing for manufacturing capability and some of the other areas since you've known thanks.
Thank you for the question Great question so.
The work that we've done over the last few years.
With Exxon has been around technology optimization focused on carbon capture.
In the work that we've done.
To actually pursue larger scale opportunities.
Opportunities, we fundamentally have changed the format of our footprint of the design and so today, we're we're kind of a cube shaped vertical design.
The work that we're doing with Exxon, we're going to be our horizontal designed platform, but the cell technology itself that goes into both of those platforms, we have the ability to leverage that.
And our current design and we will certainly leverages in our go forward design on applications that are just focused on carbon capture.
So as we do the work to get to the demonstration project in the Netherlands with Exxon at the Esso plan, we have the ability to take that cell design without changing our existing format, our footprint and integrate that cell design into our existing.
Platform enhancing its carbon capture capabilities.
We have previously demonstrated the ability to capture carbon and our existing design, but one of the things that we wanted to make sure that we did when we.
Put it in we put it into a carbon capture application is that we also maintain the power density this will give us the ability to do that both in our existing design and then the design strictly focused on carbon capture so it is not theoretical it is something that we are active.
We engaged in as a company our sales team is actively engaged in opportunities with customers around the ability to leverage our existing design for carbon capture in.
In addition to the work that we're doing against carbon recovery. So what are the kind of applications that.
You could utilize this technology for we've talked a lot about the food and beverage.
Application opportunity, where we can capture carbon let's say from a boiler at a food processing plant capture that carbon we can clean that carbon up and then give it right back to the customer for example to use in the processing of those proteins. As an example, you could take that exact same example, take a <unk>.
Customer with an industrial boiler.
Can capture that carbon and if we were doing this somewhere.
In a market, where you've got <unk> pipelines, we could put that cotwo in our pipeline in that tier two could be sequestered or used in other applications. So these are real opportunities that we're pursuing if you think about other areas, where you now have with the EPA rules around the good neighbor roll in.
And the need for companies to capture carbon those also open opportunities for us to utilize our existing platform integrating our enhanced cell technology to go after those kind of opportunities.
Great and if I could just follow that up.
Speaker Change: The follow on is.
Do you see this.
I mean on paper of the small scale versus the large for peso.
Speaker Change: It looks like parallel paths.
Do you feel like from the conversations you're having right now.
There are people that are out there that may be willing to commit to a small or mid scale applications.
For the Exxon facility is up and running in 2026 or is there sort of a sense that everybody just kind of waiting to see how the thing.
Performs at the large scale and then that will be the validation to guess on a smaller scale applications moving thanks.
Yes, no great question.
We anticipate that customers will move forward in advance of the.
Exxon demonstration project being implemented and fully running.
Project timeline, so we do not see that as a barrier to pursuing carbon capture opportunities on the smaller scale and in fact.
We think that there's customers on the smaller scale.
That will likely be able to move maybe faster than some of these very large scale projects, where there is a number of other things that you have to work through in terms of the cotwo itself and just the volume and what youre going to do with it and as you get into the carbon capture.
Then talking about class II permits or class six permits to be able to sequester the carbon and so we think the smaller scope projects have an opportunity to move to move faster get off the starting line a little bit quicker.
Alright, I appreciate the color. Thank you.
Thank you.
And that concludes our Q&A session I will now turn the conference back over to Jason <unk> for closing remarks.
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