Q3 2024 Goldman Sachs BDC Inc Earnings Call

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Unknown Executive: Yesterday, after the market closed, the company issued an earnings press release and posted a supplemental earnings presentation, both of which can be found on the home page of our website at www.goldmansachsbdc.com, under the Investor Resources section, which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. These documents should be reviewed in conjunction with the company's quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed yesterday with the SEC.

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Unknown Executive: This conference call is being recorded today, Friday, November 8, 2024, for replay purposes.

Speaker Change: This conference call is being recorded today Friday November eight 2024 for replay purposes, I'll now turn the call over to Alex Chi Co Chief Executive Officer of Goldman Sachs BDC, Inc.

Austin Neri: I'll now turn the call over to Alex Chi, Co-Chief Executive Officer of Goldman Sachs BDC, Inc.

Alex Chi: Thank you, Austin.

Alex Chi: Thank you Austin and good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2024 earnings Conference call I'm here today with David Miller, Our co Chief Executive Officer, Tucker Green, our Chief operating officer, and Stan Schatsky, Our Chief Financial Officer.

Alex Chi: Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. I'm here today with David Miller, our Co-Chief Executive Officer, Tucker Greene, our Chief Operating Officer, and Stan Matuszewski, our Chief Financial Officer. I'll begin the call by providing a brief overview of our third quarter results and then discuss the current market environment in more detail. I'll then turn the call over to David and Tucker to describe our portfolio activity and performance before handing it off to Stan to take us through our financial results. And then finally, we'll open the line for Q&A.

Alex Chi: On the call by providing a brief overview of our third quarter results and then discuss the current market environment in more detail.

Alex Chi: Then turn the call over to David and Tucker to describe our portfolio activity and performance before handing it off to Stan to take us through our financial results and then finally, we'll open the line for Q&A.

Alex Chi: With that, let's get to our third quarter results. Our net investment income per share for the quarter was $0.58, and net asset value per share was $13.54, a decrease of approximately 1% relative to the second quarter NAV, which was largely due to net realized and unrealized losses in the quarter. As we announced after market close yesterday, our board declared a fourth quarter dividend of 45 cents per share payable to shareholders of record as of December 31st, 2024. This marks the company's 39th consecutive quarter of a $0.45 per share dividend, totaling $17.55 per share since our IPO, excluding the special dividends we paid in 2021 following the merger with MMLC.

Alex Chi: With that let's get to our third quarter results.

Speaker Change: Our net investment income per share for the quarter with 58 cents and net asset value per share was $13.54 a decrease of approximately 1% relative to the second quarter, NAV, which was largely due to net realized and unrealized losses in the quarter.

As we announced after market close yesterday, our board declared a fourth quarter dividend of 45 cents per share payable to shareholders of record as of December 31st 2020 for.

Speaker Change: This marks the company's 39th consecutive quarter of a 45 cents per share dividend totaling $17.55 per share since our IPO, excluding the special dividends, we paid in 2021 following the merger with MLC.

Alex Chi: Now, with respect to broader market conditions, M&A continued to recover in the third quarter with growth of 17.5% year over year in sponsor M&A volume. We noted earlier in the year that we anticipated a rebound in sponsor M&A driven by the $1.4 trillion of private equity dry powder and the DPI pressure that private equity firms were facing to return capital to LP investors. We saw these factors drive higher activity in the second and third quarter, and although we expect the fourth quarter to be somewhat muted as market participants took a pause given the election, we anticipate that this dynamic will continue to enhance M&A volumes in 2025.

Speaker Change: Now with respect to broader market conditions M&A continue to recover in the third quarter with growth of 17, 5% year over year and sponsor M&A volumes.

Speaker Change: We noted earlier in the year that we anticipated a rebound and sponsor M&A driven by the 1.4 trillion dollars of private equity dry powder and the D. P. I pressure at private equity firms were facing to return capital to L. P investors.

Speaker Change: So all these factors drive higher activity in the second and third quarter and although we expect the fourth quarter to be somewhat muted as market participants took a pause given the election, we anticipate that this dynamic will continue to enhance M&A volumes in 2025.

Alex Chi: GSBD has certainly benefited from this overall trend, which was further enhanced by our platform capabilities. Our third quarter gross originations more than doubled year over year, and it's the second largest deployment quarter since the integration of GSBD into the broader Goldman Sachs private credit platform, with the highest being this past second quarter of 2024. We continue to originate new investments with sound credit fundamentals and low LTV. Finally, our sales and repayments activity increased 45% from the prior quarter, totaling $329 million. We're focused on harvesting older vintage investments and recycling into new origination. To that end, 72% of our payments were 2021 and older vintage.

Speaker Change: G. S. P. D has certainly benefited from this overall trend, which was further enhanced our platform capabilities.

Speaker Change: We continue to originate new investments with sound credit fundamentals and low LTBs.

Speaker Change: Finally, our sales and repayments activity increased 45% from the prior quarter totaling 329 million dollars. We're focused on harvesting older vintage investments and recycling into new originations.

Speaker Change: To that end, 72% of our payments were 2021 and older vintages.

Alex Chi: Our recycling efforts are enhanced by our proactive portfolio management and the breadth of our private credit platform to consistently originate new and attractive investment opportunities.

Speaker Change: Our recycling efforts are enhanced by our proactive portfolio management and the breadth of our private credit platform to consistently originate new and attractive investment opportunities.

David Miller: With that, let me turn it over to my co-CEO, David Miller.

David Miller: Thanks, Alex. During the quarter, we originated at approximately $376.6 million in 34 new investment commitments. comprised of 15 new and 19 existing portfolio companies.

Alex Chi: With that, let me turn it over to my co-CEO, David Miller. Thanks, Alex. During the quarter, we originated at approximately $376.6 million in 34 new investment commitments, comprised of 15 new and 19 existing portfolio companies.

David Miller: As Alex mentioned, this was indeed the second highest level of quarterly originations for GSBD since the integration of our platform in early 2022. 98.1% of our originations were in first lien loans. which continues to reflect our bias at primarily maintaining exposure to investments that are higher up in the capital structure. Sales and repayment activity totaled $329.1 million. primarily driven by the repayment and refinancing of our investments in 10 portfolios. During the quarter, we also selectively sold names in the portfolio, with the majority at or above their mark. When we received an attractive bid and sought to rotate out of legacy names, all with a focus on recycling the book into new origination.

David Miller: As Alex mentioned, this was indeed the second-highest level of quarterly originations for GSBD since the integration of our platform in early 2022.

David Miller: 98.1% of our originations were in first lien loans, which continues to reflect our bias at primarily maintaining exposure to investments that are higher up in the capital structure.

David Miller: Sales and repayment activity totaled $329.1 million, primarily driven by the repayment and refinancing of our investments in 10 portfolio companies.

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David Miller: During the quarter, we also selectively sold names in the portfolio, with majority at or above their mark. When we received an attractive bid and sought to rotate out of legacy names, all with a focus on recycling the book into new originations.

David Miller: As the portfolio continues to turn over, we will lean into our position within the Goldman Sachs ecosystem for what we believe should be a rebound in M&A activity volume into 2025.

David Miller: Turning to portfolio composition. As of September 30, 2024, total investments in our portfolio were $3.44 billion at Faraday. Comprised of 97.6% in senior secured loans, including 91.6% in first lien, 4.7% in first lien last out unit tranche, and 1.3% in second lien debt, as well as a negligible amount of unsecured debt, and 1.9% in a combination of preferred and common stock.

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David Miller: As of September 30, 2024, total investments in our portfolio were $3.44 billion at fair value.

David Miller: Comprised of 97.6% in senior secured loans, including 91.6% in first lien, 4.7% in first lien last out unit tranche, and 1.3% in second lien debt.

David Miller: as well as a negligible amount of unsecured debt, and 1.9% in a combination of preferred and common stock.

Tucker Greene: With that, let me turn it over to our Chief Operating Officer, Tucker Greene, to discuss new investments this quarter and our overall credit quality.

Speaker Change: With that, let me turn it over to our Chief Operating Officer, Tucker Greene, to discuss new investments this quarter and our overall credit quality.

Tucker Greene: Thanks, David. As of September 30, 2024, the company held investments in 167 portfolio companies operating across 41 different industries. The weighted average yield of our investment portfolio at amortized cost at the end of the third quarter was 10.9%, as compared to 11% from the prior quarter. weighted average yield of our total debt and income producing investments at amortized cost at the end of the third quarter was 11.8% as compared to 12.3% at the end of Q2. We did average net debt to EBITDA of the companies in our investment portfolio increased slightly. 6.3 times during the third quarter, compared to 6.1 times during the second quarter.

Tucker Greene: Thanks, David. As of September 30, 2024, the company held investments in 167 portfolio companies operating across 41 different industries.

Tucker Greene: The weighted average yield of our investment portfolio at amortized cost at the end of the third quarter was 10.9% as compared to 11% from the prior quarter.

Tucker Greene: The weighted average yield of our total debt and income-producing investments at amortized cost at the end of the third quarter was 11.8%, as compared to 12.3% at the end of Q2.

Tucker Greene: The weighted average net debt to EBITDA of the companies in our investment portfolio increased slightly.

Tucker Greene: at 6.3 times during the third quarter compared to 6.1 times during the second quarter. Importantly, our portfolio companies have both top-line growth and EBITDA growth quarter over quarter and year over year on a weighted average basis.

Tucker Greene: Importantly, our portfolio companies have both top-line growth and EBITDA growth quarter over quarter and year over year on a weighted average basis. At the same time, the current weighted average interest coverage of the companies in our investment portfolio at quarter end increased to 1.7 times in the third quarter compared to 1.5 times during the second quarter.

Tucker Greene: At the same time, the current weighted average interest coverage of the companies in our investment portfolio at quarter end increased to 1.7x in the third quarter compared to 1.5x during the second quarter. And finally, turning to asset quality, during the quarter there were changes to accrual status for two portfolio companies.

Tucker Greene: And finally, turning to asset quality, during the quarter, there were changes to accrual status for two portfolio companies. site was restructured and one first lane position remained on non accrual status and another first lane position was restored to accrual Additionally, we exited Zodiac Intermediate, also known as Apari, which had previously been on nonaccrual status through a sale of the company. As of September 30, 2024, investments on nonaccrual status decreased at 2.2% of the total investment portfolio at fair value from 3.4% as of June 30, 2024, and to 4.5% of the total investment portfolio at amortized cost from 7.6% as of June 30, 2024.

Tucker Greene: The accrual site was restructured and one first lien position remained on non-accrual status and another first lien position was restored to accrual status.

Tucker Greene: Additionally, we exited Zodiac Intermediate, also known as ZAPARI, which had previously been on non-accrual status through a sale of the company.

As of September 30th, 2024.

Investments on non-accrual

Tucker Greene: status decreased to 2.2% of the total investment portfolio at fair value from 3.4% as of June 30, 2024 into 4.5% of the total investment portfolio to amortize costs from 7.6% as of June 30, 2024.

Stanley Matuszewski: I'll now turn the call over to Stan Matuszewski to walk through our financial results.

Speaker Change: I'll now turn the call over to Stan Matuszewski to walk through our financial results.

Stanley Matuszewski: Thank you, Tucker. We ended the third quarter of 2024 with total portfolio investments at fair value of $3.4 billion, outstanding debt of $1.9 billion and net assets of $1.6 billion. Our ending net debt to equity ratio as of the end of the third quarter was 1.16 times, which continues to be below our target leverage of 1.25 times. At quarter end, approximately 66.7% of the company's total principal amount of debt outstanding was in unsecured debt, and we had $1.1 billion of capacity available under our secured revolving credit facility.

Stan Matuszewski: Thank you, Tucker. We ended the third quarter of 2024 with total portfolio investments at fair value of $3.4 billion, outstanding debt of $1.9 billion, and net assets of $1.6 billion.

Stan Matuszewski: Our ending net debt-to-equity ratio as of the end of the third quarter was 1.16 times, which continues to be below our target leverage of 1.25 times.

Stan Matuszewski: At quarter end, approximately 66.7% of the company's total principal amount of debt outstanding was in unsecured debt, and we had $1.1 billion of capacity available under our secured revolving credit facility.

Stanley Matuszewski: Before continuing to the income statement, as a reminder, in addition to GAAP financial measures, we will also reference certain non-GAAP or adjusted measures. This is intended to make our financial results easier to compare to results prior to our October 2020 merger with Goldman Sachs Middle Market Lending Corp., or MMLC. These non-GAAP measures remove the purchase discount amortization impact from our financial results. For the third quarter, GAAP and adjusted after-tax net investment income were $68.2 million and $67.2 million, respectively, as compared to $67 million and $65.2 million, respectively, in the prior quarter. On a per share basis, GAAP net investment income was $0.58.

Stan Matuszewski: Before continuing to the income statement, as a reminder, in addition to GAAP financial measures, we will also reference certain non-GAAP or adjusted measures.

Stan Matuszewski: This is intended to make our financial results easier to compare to results prior to our October 2020 merger with Goldman Sachs Middle Market Lending Corp. or MMLC. These non-GAAP measures remove the purchase discount amortization impact from our financial results.

Stan Matuszewski: For the third quarter, GAAP and adjusted after-tax net investment income were $68.2 million and $67.2 million, respectively, as compared to $67 million and $65.2 million, respectively, in the prior quarter.

Stanley Matuszewski: Excluding the impact of asset acquisition accounting in connection with the merger with MMLC, adjusted net investment income for the quarter was $0.57 per share, equating to an annualized net investment income yield on book value of 16.8%. Total investment income for the three months ended September 30, 2024, and June 30, 2024 was $110.4 million and $108.6 million, respectively. The increase in total investment income was primarily due to the incremental deployment during Q2 and Q3. We would also note that we saw PIC as a percent of total recurring investment income decreased to 9% for the third quarter ended September 30, 2024, from 11% in the second quarter of 2024.

Stan Matuszewski: On a per share basis, GAAP net investment income was 58 cents.

Stan Matuszewski: Excluding the impact of asset acquisition accounting in connection with the merger with MMLC, adjusted net investment income for the quarter was $0.57 per share, equating to an annualized net investment income yield on book value of 16.8%.

Stan Matuszewski: The increase in total investment income was primarily due to the incremental deployment during Q2 and Q3.

Stan Matuszewski: We would also note that we saw PIC as a percent of total recurring investment income decreased to 9% for the third quarter ended September 30, 2024, from 11% in the second quarter of 2024.

Stanley Matuszewski: Distributions during the quarter remain consistent at $0.45 per share.

Speaker Change: Distributions during the quarter remain consistent at $0.45 per share. Our spillover taxable income is approximately $158.8 million or $1.36 on a per share basis. With that, I'll turn it back to Alex for closing remarks.

Stanley Matuszewski: Our spillover taxable income is approximately $158.8 million or $1.36 on a per share basis.

Alex Chi: With that, I'll turn it back to Alex for closing remarks.

Alex Chi: Thanks, Stan.

Alex Chi: And thanks, everyone, for joining our earnings call. We're excited by our pipeline prospects and remain focused on turning over the portfolio into new attractive opportunities using the full breadth of the Goldman Sachs platform.

Alex Chi: Thanks Stan and thanks everyone for joining our earnings call. We're excited by our pipeline prospects and remain focused on turning over the portfolio into new attractive opportunities using the full breadth of the Goldman Sachs platform. With that, let's open the line for Q&A.

Unknown Executive: With that, let's open the line for Q&A.

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Mark Hughes: We will take our first question from Mark Hughes with Truist.

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Speaker Change: We will take our first question from Mark Hughes with Truist.

Mark Hughes: Yeah, thank you.

Mark Hughes: Good morning. Alex, you had morning spoken about your recent recycling effort. How much more opportunity do you have there to Recycle improve the portfolio. Yeah, so we had a very strong quarter of sales and repayments, as you heard. It's the largest quarter we had in over a year. So we were able to have full exits in at least four portfolio companies, all of which were originated in 2021 or earlier. So, you know, we feel good about the pace of repayments and recycling. And just given also the very strong quarter of originations we had, just the outlook we also have for M&A that's coming, you know, we feel good about just the shift in the portfolio.

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Speaker Change: Alex, you had spoken about your recycling effort. How much more opportunity do you have there?

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Speaker Change: Yeah, so we had a very strong quarter of sales and repayments, as you heard.

Speaker Change: largest quarter we had in over a year. So we were able to have full exits in at least four portfolio companies, all of which were originated in 2021 or earlier.

Speaker Change: So, you know, we feel good about the pace of repayments and recycling, and just given also the very strong court of originations we have, just the outlook we also have for M&A that's coming, you know, we feel good about that.

Alex Chi: And we also added a net 12 new names, as you saw as well, which further diversified the portfolio.

Speaker Change: just the shift in the portfolio. And we also added a net 12 new names, as you saw as well, which further diversified the portfolio.

Mark Hughes: understood how about the repricing activity? How much have you seen in the portfolio? How much more can we expect perhaps?

Speaker Change: Understood. How about the repricing activity? How much have you seen in the portfolio? How much more can we expect perhaps?

Alex Chi: Well, we saw we saw a pretty decent wave just across the industry as we saw spreads compress. But in the quarter, we saw spreads stabilize. And so just the level of repricing activity also came down versus the flurry that we saw earlier in the year. And so, you know, there may still be some room to go. But having said that, you know, we would expect the pace of repricings to slow down.

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Speaker Change: Well, we saw a pretty decent wave just across the industry as we saw spreads.

Speaker Change: but in the quarter, we saw spreads stabilize. And so just the level of repricing activity also came down versus the flurry that we saw earlier in the year. And so, you know, there may still be some room to go, but having said that,

We would expect the pace of repricings to slow down.

Alex Chi: Yeah, and then anything in your view the vibe immediately following the election last couple of days as it pertains to potential deal activity, do you feel like there's More energy in the air, less, just sort of curious here, subjective impression. Okay, the market obviously has been pretty exciting post election. You know, we've all been circling up and talking to our bankers within within Goldman Sachs and just other participants in the industry. And again, people feel quite energetic and optimistic about the level of M&A, particularly from the sponsor community that's going to come in 2025. So I think just broadly speaking, there just continues to be optimism.

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Speaker Change: yeah and then anything in your view the vibe immediately following the election last couple of days as it pertains to potential deal activity do you feel like there's a

Speaker Change: More energy in the air, less, just sort of curious here, subjective impressions.

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Speaker Change: The market, obviously, has been pretty exciting post-election. You know, we've all been circling up and talking to our bankers within Goldman Sachs and just other participants in the industry. And again, people feel quite energetic and optimistic about the level of M&A, particularly from the sponsor community, that's going to come in 2025.

Speaker Change: So I think, just broadly speaking, there just continues to be optimism.

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Derek Hewett: We will take our next question from Derek Hewett with Bank of America.

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Speaker Change: We will take our next question from Derek Hewitt with Bank of America.

Derek Hewett: Good morning. I have a question on credit, specifically on looking at slide 7, and it shows that risk rated 3 and 4 totals increased, despite kind of what we saw with the meaningful reduction in non-accruals. So could you provide some additional color on kind of where you were seeing that negative credit migration? And then were there any specific sectors where you saw that decline? And really, if you look at the aggregate of our rating three and four buckets, it ticked up around 1% period over period. And it's really due to one name that had some underperformance that continued throughout the quarter that we thought prudent to reassign to a risk rating three.

Speaker Change: Good morning. I have a question on credit, specifically on looking at slide 7. It shows that risk-rated 3 and 4 totals increased, despite kind of what we saw with the meaningful reduction in non-accruals.

Speaker Change: So, could you provide some additional color on kind of where you were seeing that negative credit migration, and then were there any specific sectors where you saw that decline?

Speaker Change: I mean really if you look at the aggregate of our rating three and four buckets it ticked up around 1% period over period and it's really due to one name that had some underperformance that continued throughout the quarter that we thought prudent to reassign to a risk rating three.

Derek Hewett: Okay, yeah.

OK, and this one. Yeah.

Derek Hewett: And could you provide the sector that it was in? It was in the business services sector. Okay.

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It was in the business services sector. Okay.

Derek Hewett: Thank you.

Derek Hewett: So it was not related to ARR or healthcare. understood.

Speaker Change: Thank you. Yeah, so it was not related to AR or healthcare.

Okay, understood. Thank you.

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Robert Dodd: We will take our next question from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.

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Speaker Change: We will take our next question from Robert Dodd with Raymond James.

Robert Dodd: Hi, guys. First, on the kind of pipeline, I mean, you point to being optimistic about that 2025 now and Q4 being muted. Should we expect the 25th to be unusual? I mean, is it going to be a relatively strong Q1, i.e. an early 25, because it feels that maybe we're waiting for the election and it's going to happen early in 25, or is it going to be normal, like, that still the first half's going to be soft?

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Speaker Change: Hi guys. First on the kind of pipeline, I mean you point to being optimistic about that 2025 now and Q4 being muted.

Speaker Change: Maybe we're waiting for the election and it's going to happen early in 2025. Instead of it, or is it going to be normal, like, that still the first half's going to be soft and...

David Miller: It's a really good question, Robert. Thanks for the question. And thanks for joining again. And so look, we're absolutely optimistic about overall M&A volumes in 2025. Having said that, private credit, as you know, deployment is highly correlated to sponsor M&A activity. And if you look at the cycle of how these processes play out, we would expect that they're going to meet the opportunities that pop up in the first quarter. But having said that, it takes a little bit of time for these companies to actually transact to get to a deal and then to fund. So if we had to guess, we would expect our teams to be very busy assessing new opportunities in the first quarter.

It's a really good question, Robert.

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Speaker Change: That's it, thanks for the question and thanks for joining again.

Speaker Change: We're absolutely optimistic about overall M&A volumes in 2025. Having said that, private credit, as you know, deployment is highly correlated to sponsor M&A activity. And if you look at the cycle of how these processes play out, we would expect that there are going to be many opportunities that pop up.

Speaker Change: in the first quarter. But having said that, it takes a little bit of time for these companies to actually transact, to get to a deal, and then to fund.

Speaker Change: So, if we had to guess, we would expect our team to be very busy assessing new opportunities in the first quarter, but in terms of actual deployment, it's likely going to be the second quarter or later when you start to see a real tick up in activity.

David Miller: But in terms of actual deployment, it's likely going to be the second quarter or later when you start to see a real tick up in activity. Got it.

Robert Dodd: Thank you. And then on the recycling.

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Got it, thank you. And then, on the recycling...

David Miller: David Miller, Unknown Executive, Alex Chi, Tucker Greene, Stanley Matuszewski, Unknown be more concerned about the remaining older assets because those haven't been it's harder to get rid of. Unknown Executive, Mark Hughes, Robert Dodd, Derek Hewett, David Miller, Austin Neri, Unknown Executive, Alex Chi, Tucker Greene, Stanley Matuszewski, Goldman Sachs BDC, Inc.

Speaker Change: You know, you're recycling the 21s and older. So, the question is really adverse selection, right? Should I now, when I look at your portfolio by vintage,

Speaker Change: be more concerned about the remaining older assets because those haven't been, it's harder to get rid of them.

Speaker Change: more tricky asset than it is a good asset. So is there, how are you dealing with the adverse selection risk in the recycling and concentration of risk in the older vintages on some of those assets? If that's.

David Miller: going to occur. Yeah, no, I mean, look, in the last couple quarters, we saw a very healthy activity of that. I think we'll continue to see that play out over the next 12 months from now. I'm not too concerned with the adverse selection issue as we, you know, continue to address it. Look, I mean, as you know, some of these private equity firms have paid pretty high multiples of these way back when they're, you know, we're continuing to see nice top line as well as EBITDA growth in the portfolio. They'll kind of earn their way into those valuations.

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Speaker Change: Yeah, no, I mean, look, in the last couple quarters we saw a very healthy activity of that. I think we'll continue to see that play out over the next 12 months from now. I'm not too concerned with the adverse.

Speaker Change: selection issue as we, you know, continue to address it. Look, I mean, as you know, some of these private equity firms have paid pretty high multiples of these way back when they're, you know, we're continuing to see nice top line as well as EBITDA growth in the portfolio.

David Miller: And then you should see some M&A activity to, you know, either those companies will sell or get refinanced as they earn some of those higher valuations.

Speaker Change: They'll kind of earn their way into those valuations, and then you should see some M&A activity to, you know, either those companies will sell or get refinanced as they earn into some of those higher valuations.

Got it. Thank you.

Unknown Executive: Thank you, Robert. We do not have any further questions.

Thank you, Robert.

Alex Chi: I would like to turn the call back to Alex Chi for closing remarks. Thanks everyone for joining our call and we look forward to speaking with you at the end of next quarter.

Speaker Change: We do not have any further questions. I would like to turn the call back to Alex Chi for closing remarks.

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Alex Chi: Thanks everyone for joining our call and we look forward to speaking with you at the end of next quarter.

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