Q3 2024 Liberty Media Corp Earnings Call
Welcome to Liberty Media Corporation's 2024 3rd Quarter Earnings Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question and answer session. At that time, if you have a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.
As a reminder, this conference will be recorded November 7th.
I would now like to turn the call over to Shane Kleinstein, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Shane Kleinstein: Thank you and good morning. Before we begin, we'd like to remind everyone that this call includes certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those mentioned in the most recent Form 10-10-10-Q filed by Liberty Media with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of this call, and Liberty Media expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to disseminate any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statement contained herein.
to reflect any change in Liberty Media's expectations with regard thereto, or any change in events, conditions, or circumstances on which any such statement is based.
Speaker Change: On today's call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures for Liberty Media, including adjusted OIPDA. The required definition and reconciliation for Liberty Media, Schedule 1, can be found at the end of the earnings press release issued today, which is available on our website. Now I would like to turn the call over to Greg Maffay, Liberty's President and CEO.
Greg Maffay: Thank you. Good morning. Today, speaking in the call, we will also have Formula One's President and CEO, Stefano Dimonicali, and Liberty's Chief Accounting and Principal Financial Officer, Brian Wendland. So let me start with a couple of corporate updates.
Greg Maffay: As you may recall, we completed the LSXM-Siri merger on the 9th of September.
Greg Maffay: I look forward to remaining involved as board chair and a shareholder at Siri, but Liberty's ties are cut. We also announced updates to our voting and governance at the Atlanta Braves holdings, and we are transitioning services directly to the Atlanta team.
They held their earnings call yesterday
Greg Maffay: This is the next step in their evolution as a standalone private company, and I want to thank all the Braves management team for their partnership over the years that's been so fruitful.
Greg Maffay: Now, let me turn to the underlying businesses, beginning with the Formula 1 group and looking at it from some corporate update perspective. We refinanced the F1 date. The term loan fee was refinanced at silver plus 200 bps.
Greg Maffay: We expect to step down to SOFR plus 175 bips upon the deleveraging post the Moto GP transaction
Greg Maffay: We raised an incremental $850,000 Term Loan B and $150,000,000 Term Loan A commitments to fund that MotoGP transaction.
All of that is steel contingent.
We also issued 949 million FWOC shares.
Greg Maffay: Replacing the equity consideration to the sellers in the transaction so we'll directly pay them cash
Greg Maffay: We issued that stock at only a 4% discount to the market price, and it was placed with long-term holders.
Greg Maffay: That completes, those transactions complete the necessary funding for our MotoGP acquisition.
Greg Maffay: And we expect F1 leverage to be between three and a half to four times, assuming you're in close on that auto GP deal.
Greg Maffay: The F1 season itself remains highly competitive, both the Constructors and Drivers Championship are coming down to the final races. We've seen also similarly incredible financial performance at Formula 1 year to date with revenue up 15% and adjusted oil up 21%.
Greg Maffay: We've seen double-digit growth across all of our revenue streams boosted by two additional races and we've benefited from new partners signed Contractual uplifts in our contracts and the performance f1 TV and our hospitality products
Greg Maffay: I know we've signed several new commercial agreements which begin next year.
Greg Maffay: LVMH and Amex were introduced to F1 through LBGP in terms of their relationship, but now they've become broader partners with F1.
Greg Maffay: We feel that partners continue to be attracted to the growth of the sport in EOS and our younger Doraemographic, which has also grown.
Greg Maffay: Correspondingly, we feel good about the pipeline for commercial activity in 2026.
Greg Maffay: We all look forward to the LVGP in the coming weeks.
Greg Maffay: We expect it will be another great spectacle for fans attending and watching at home.
Greg Maffay: We will have a free daytime fan experience Which will bring energy and welcome local Las Vegas fans to f1 and we expect great entertainment including ludicrous Alesso and one Republic
Greg Maffay: Now, let me turn briefly and give you a MotoGP transaction update. We are making progress with the European Commission, which is our only remaining regulatory jurisdictional hurdle, and we continue to expect a year-end close. And looking at the underlying MotoGP business.
Greg Maffay: The Valencia race was canceled due to the tragic flooding in that region. Our thoughts were with the entire community.
Greg Maffay: We give credit to Carmelo and the management team at MotoGP for their quick and thoughtful response.
Greg Maffay: They will pivot such that the final race will be in Barcelona, will be hosted there in solidarity with Valencia.
And that will be the final race of the season.
Greg Maffay: Various initiatives are also underway there to support relief efforts for Valencia during that weekend.
Greg Maffay: MotoGP racing has continued to be great, with only 24 points separating the title fight participants.
Attendance is treading well.
Greg Maffay: with 2.9 million attendees year-to-date, which is plus 9% on like-for-like races, and six races have set all-time attendance records this year.
Greg Maffay: MotoGP extended its rights agreement with FIM, their regulator, until 2060. They've announced their 2025 MotoGP calendar with 22 races across 18 countries.
and they expect to.
release a new brand identity post-season.
We look forward to more exciting racing and Liberty's involvement.
Turning briefly to Quint.
As you may recall, Q3 is a seasonally light quarter.
Greg Maffay: We've seen strong F1 experiences during the quarter, and we are also seeing positive movement across MotoGP products that they are selling.
Greg Maffay: Profitability of the quarter was partially offset by softness at a different sporting event, and there was an agreement with a rights holder, which was subsequently terminated by a mutual agreement, which impacted our third quarter results.
Greg Maffay: And just touching on Live Nation, they've had strong performance through the first half despite fewer stadium concerts.
Greg Maffay: They are set up very well for 2025, which will be a monster stadium.
Thank you very much. Have a great day.
Speaker Change: But I won't comment further on results because LYB did not release their earnings until Tuesday.
Greg Maffay: And with that, I'll turn it over to Brian for more on our financial results. Thank you, Greg, and good morning, everyone. The merger of Liberty Sirius XM with Sirius XM
Brian Wendland: Closed on September 9th, please note that Sirius XM Holdings is presented as a discontinued operation and Liberties consolidated financial statements
Greg Maffay: Please also note that due to the timing of the Live Nation release of their reported results, as Greg mentioned, Liberty does not expect to file its 10-Q until Tuesday, November 12th.
Greg Maffay: At quarter-end, Formula One Group had attributed cash, liquid investments, and monetizable public holdings to $2.7 billion, which includes $1.4 billion of cash at F1 and $65 million of cash at Quint.
Greg Maffay: The cash balance as of 930 also includes proceeds from the previously mentioned FWOC share issuance.
Greg Maffay: The total Formula 1 group attributed principal amount of debt was $2.9 billion at quarter end, which includes $2.4 billion of debt at F1, leaving $530 million at the corporate level.
Greg Maffay: F1 $500 million revolvers undrawn and their leverage at 930 was 1.1 times
Greg Maffay: During the quarter, Liberty entered into additional interest rate swaps, and as of quarter end, $2.2 of the $2.4 billion of F-1 debt was at a fixed rate.
Greg Maffay: In September, F1 refinanced its Term Loan B and extended the maturities of its debt facilities.
Greg Maffay: The Term Loan A and Revolving Credit Facility now mature in September 29, and the Term Loan B matures in September 2031.
Greg Maffay: The margin on F1's term loan B was permanently reduced from 2.25% to 2% with a potential to step down to 1.75% if certain leverage is met after the MotoGP acquisition closes.
Greg Maffay: In connection with the refinance, F1 secured incremental funding for the new MotoGP transaction and all acquisition related financing is now complete.
Greg Maffay: Reminder that we also obtained commitments for an incremental €150 million term loan A and an upsized €100 million revolver at Dorna to be entered into subject to the transaction close.
Greg Maffay: Turning to the F1 business, I'll make comments on Q3, but remind you that the business is best analyzed on an annual basis given the impact that both the race count and mix can have on quarterly results.
Greg Maffay: During the third quarter, F-1 recognized a lower proportion of season-based income, with 7 out of 24 races, or 29% occurring during the period, compared to 8 out of 22, or 36% in the prior year period.
Greg Maffay: Sponsorship revenue declined due to this lower pro-revenue recognition. The recognition of sponsorship income varies based on the mix of races during the quarter, including the allocation of title sponsorship and other race-specific.
Greg Maffay: sponsorship packages. To a lesser extent, this also contributed to the sponsorship revenue decline for the third quarter.
Greg Maffay: This is partially offset by revenue from new partners compared to the prior year period.
Greg Maffay: The decline in pro rata recognition of media rights revenue was partially offset by contractual fee increases and continued F-1 TV growth.
Greg Maffay: Race promotion revenue increased in the third quarter despite one less race being held due to the mix of events year over year with Azerbaijan this year compared to Austria and Japan last year.
Greg Maffay: Other revenue increased due to the higher licensing revenue and revenue from third party events at Grand Prix Plaza. Hospitality and experiences income decreased due to the mix of events in Q3, though note that the Paddock Club is seeing very strong growth year to date.
Greg Maffay: Adjusted OEBDA grew in the quarter due to the lower pro rata recognition of team payments, partially offset by the expectation of increased team payments for the full year over 2023.
Greg Maffay: Team payments represented 62.2% of pre-team adjusted OIVD a year to date through Q3, compared to 64.6 in the prior year.
Greg Maffay: Reminder that Q2 and Q3 tend to have the highest percentage payout ratios based on the greater mix of European races.
Greg Maffay: We continue to expect slight leverage on team payments for the full year 24 relative to our year-to-date payout as a percent of pre-team share. It's consistent with the message we communicated on our Q2 call.
Greg Maffay: Other costs of F-1 revenue and SG&A should be viewed as a percent of total revenue and looking on a year-to-date basis, the adjusted oil margin improved from 24.4% to 25.8% through Q3'24.
Greg Maffay: Looking briefly at corporate and other results in the third quarter, corporate and other revenue was $70 million, which includes Quint results, and approximately $7 million of rental income related to the Las Vegas Grand Prix Plaza. Corporate and other adjusted OIVA loss was $14 million and includes Grand Prix Plaza rental income, Quint results, and corporate expenses.
Greg Maffay: Quinn results in the third quarter were primarily driven by F1 experiences across the seven races held. Note that Q3 is a seasonally light quarter for Quinn.
Yeah.
Greg Maffay: Turning to the Liberty Live group, there's attributed cash of $388 million. There's $400 million of undrawn margin loan capacity related to our Live Nation margin loan.
Greg Maffay: As of November 6, the value of the Live Nation stock held at Liberty Live Group was 8.8 billion.
Greg Maffay: We have $1.2 billion in principal amount of debt against these holdings.
Greg Maffay: In August, Liberty issued a redemption notice for all of its 0.5% Live Nation exchangeable debentures. Approximately 12 million of the debentures were redeemed and settled in the third quarter, and the remainder were exchanged by holders in September but did not settle out until October.
Greg Maffay: The 50 million remaining debentures that settled in October were funded with cash on hand.
Greg Maffay: Liberty and F1 are in compliance with their debt covenants at quarter end.
Speaker Change: And with that, I'll turn it over to Stefano to discuss Formula 1.
Stefano Dimonicali: Thanks Brian. It's been a fantastic season at F1. The competition across the grid is captivating audiences in the stands and on the screen. We just completed a triple header in the Americas with amazing action exciting on and off the track.
Stefano Dimonicali: We have a three-way battle for the Constructor Championship between McLaren, Ferrari and Red Bull, and the Driver's Championship is still very alive, as we head into the final races between Verstappen and Norris, following three events in Austin, Mexico and Brazil, in front of huge crowds.
Stefano Dimonicali: It has been great to see the variety of winners this year, something that is thrilling fans and raises excitement and the participation for a special season in 2025.
looking at our engagement across the season.
5.8 million fans have attended Grand Prix through Brazil.
Stefano Dimonicali: Attendance is up season to date, with sell-out crowds at many races and seven races setting new attendance records including the British Grand Prix, which welcomed 480,000 fans over the weekend, the largest crowd for the season.
Stefano Dimonicali: In the third quarter, we have massive crowds, over 300,000 at the Hungarian, Belgian, Dutch and Italian Grand Prix.
Stefano Dimonicali: We have also had a strong path of club results this season, with attendance up across almost all races and four teams sold out. We have been expanding and innovating our hospitality products like the F1 Garage and the Monaco Yacht to continue to provide premium experience to our fans.
Stefano Dimonicali: Our promoter partners are investing in improved infrastructure and enhanced fun experience with live entertainment and outside activation.
Stefano Dimonicali: Better fun experience benefited the promoters and the broader F1 brand.
Stefano Dimonicali: in Silverstone Castle with Kings of Lyon and Stormsea drew crowds on Thursday and Friday evenings.
Stefano Dimonicali: In Singapore, they had a festival-style lineup with over 100 hours of live entertainment in addition to the on-track action, including concerts with Kylie Minogue and Lenny Kravitz.
In Austin, over 100,000 fans attended the eminent performance.
Stefano Dimonicali: The sprint races are also successfully drawing incremental odysseys. Attendances on Friday of sprint weekends are up approximately 30% compared to no sprint weekends.
Stefano Dimonicali: TV viewership on sprint weekend is also, on average, 10% greater than no sprint weekends.
Stefano Dimonicali: This content offers incremental benefit for our promoters, broadcast partners and sponsors with increased exposure.
Stefano Dimonicali: Beyond sprints, average viewership for race weekend through Singapore averaged 65m on later TV channels, with around 20m of incremental viewers on digital channels including YouTube and F1 TV.
Viewership on digital channels continues to increase year over year.
Stefano Dimonicali: Looking at few races in particular, the British Grand Prix was the most viewed European race ever in the UK.
and drew record viewership in the U.S. for the event.
Stefano Dimonicali: F1 TV subscriber growth continued to be robust, with subscribers up 10% year-over-year and particularly strong in the US market.
Stefano Dimonicali: We continue to innovate on digital platforms with creative ways for fans to experience the world of F-101.
Stefano Dimonicali: For example, this season we introduced video episodes for our F1 Beyond the Grid podcast and watch time is up over 30% since this format was introduced.
Stefano Dimonicali: social media followers grew 38% year-over-year to 94 million, in part due to the new platform launches like Threads and WhatsApp.
Stefano Dimonicali: Our WhatsApp partnership enables a closer direct relationship with fans through the messaging platform.
Stefano Dimonicali: On the F1 app, we registered 6 million unique users in the third quarter and we are seeing continued growth on the platform, contributing to a younger audience and higher engagement.
Speaker Change: F1 Arcade was thrilled to open their Washington D.C. location on October 13th, the second venue in the U.S.
their opening party on October 9th and nearly 1,000 guests.
Speaker Change: The DC location is hosting a number of Grand Prix watch party this season, including one last month for the Austin Grand Prix, and it is inviting fans for other F1-inspired gatherings like the live recording of the F1XPLAY podcast during the Mexico Grand Prix.
Speaker Change: F1 Arcade is on track to open its Las Vegas location in the third quarter of 2025.
Speaker Change: The F1 exhibition reached the first stop of its global tour in London, opening on August 23rd with great reviews from visitors.
Speaker Change: The location is already seeing incredible demand with 135,000 tickets sold and as a result the exhibition stays at the location as being extended through the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker Change: Turning to commercial updates, we have had incredible momentum in 2024 and that continues this quarter.
Speaker Change: Most notably, our new partnership with LDMH for 2025 and expanded agreement with American Express and Lenovo demonstrate our ability to bring an iconic brand and scale our partnership into broader and larger deals.
Speaker Change: LVMH first partner with Formula One for the last year's inaugural Las Vegas Grand Prix with representation primarily from its Vulcan Tequila brand.
Speaker Change: We will now welcome LDMH as a global partner under a groundbreaking 10-year deal beginning in 2025.
Speaker Change: which we'll see as partnered with their iconic Maison Louis Vuitton, Moet NEC and Tag Heuer. We will provide additional details on specific activation by this brand early next year.
Speaker Change: American Express initially partnered with F1 in 2023 as a regional sponsor with branding and activation rights in the Americas.
Speaker Change: Beginning 2025, we will expand our relationship globally, with American Express becoming an official partner and compassing Australia, Asia, Europe, the Americas and the Middle East.
Speaker Change: Similarly, we have announced that, beginning in 2025, Lenovo will be expanded to a global partner from their previous official partner sponsorship.
Speaker Change: We are also actively adding partnerships in the new verticals. Santander joined as our official retail banking partner in a multi-year agreement beginning in 2025. This partnership supports Santander's open bank product, their digital bank that is particularly focused on U.S. market expansion.
Speaker Change: Formula One's success in the U.S. market was a key factor in securing the Santander package. One other area of focus gaining momentum is licensing.
Speaker Change: We were thrilled to announce recent partnership with both LEGO and Mattel, both of which bring the world of F1 into our fans' day-to-day lives and extend our brand to new audiences.
Speaker Change: The LEGO product range features all F1 themes, engaging content across LEGO digital platforms and presents at F1 races weekend, including a Fan Zone activation.
Speaker Change: Our Mattel partnership kicks off this season with the release of a one-of-a-kind F1 car and the full range of Hot Wheels products we release next year.
Speaker Change: Looking to the rest of the season, we are weeks away from the second Las Vegas Grand Prix. The Las Vegas race has continued to serve as a testbed of innovation that we can leverage across the broader F1 calendar, including opportunities in the hospitality, tailored sponsorships and licensing.
Speaker Change: Just last week we announced the first-of-its-kind special merchandise collection for Las Vegas, ranging from a streetwear collaboration with the Peter's brand, to one-of-a-kind Vegas Golden Knights and Raiders of the Swamp.
Speaker Change: Since posting this merchandise collaboration on LVGP social channels, we've gathered over 1.2 million organic impressions across the post, with more than 93,000 engagements and 86,000 likes.
Speaker Change: This year's Las Vegas Grand Prix leverages learnings from last year across the whole event including hospitality, logistic, ticketing and more.
Speaker Change: We will continue to test, learn, and innovate in this year ahead. We are proud of our sustainability strategy and continue to make progress throughout the organization on our environmental, social, and governance efforts.
Speaker Change: In September, we made our first investment in sustainable aviation fuels, working with our partner DHL.
Speaker Change: These purchases cover approximately 11% of the estimated carbon flight emission across the 2024 season, and flights powered by sustainable aviation fuel have an estimated 80% reduction in carbon emission per flight.
Speaker Change: We look forward to more progress through the end of this year and into 2025.
Speaker Change: In closing, Formula One is in a great position, with their strong financial growth and incredible on-track action. It's looking like the three-way battle for the Constructor will come down to the final races.
Speaker Change: We thank our fans, teams and partners for their support in this record season and look forward to more action to come. Avanti tutta! Full speed ahead! And now I will turn the call back over to Greg. Thank you. Ciao!
Thanks, Stefano and Brian.
Greg Maffay: I want to clear up one thing I might have misspoken during our corporate upgrade. On the Braves, they are transitioning to a stand-alone public company.
Speaker Change: We look forward to seeing you on Thursday, November 14th for our annual investor meeting. You can tune in virtually or join us in person at our new location, Jazz at Lincoln Center. If you plan to attend in person, please make sure to register by Monday, November 11th as there will be no on-site reservation.
Speaker Change: registration. The link to register can be found on our website.
Speaker Change: John Mullen and I will be hosting our annual Q&A session. If you would like to submit questions in advance, you can email InvestorDay at LibertyMedia.com.
We appreciate your continued interest in Liberty Media.
Speaker Change: Operator, with that, I'd like to open the line for questions.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you'd like to join the question queue, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question, our first question, sorry, comes from the line of David Karnofsky with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker Change: Hey, thanks for the question. First for Greg or Stefano, just on Concord, any potential updates you can provide there on progress?
Speaker Change: tone of talks or expected timing and then a second one for Brian
Speaker Change: Just on the team payment accrual in the quarter or even year to date, the figures do imply a lower full year figure relative to what you would give in a Q1 or Q2, so just wanted to see if there's anything.
Speaker Change: specific to call out inter-quarter that shifted as far as your assumptions on pre-team profit for the year. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Stefano, I'll let you take a first cut at the Concord.
Stefano Dimonicali: Yeah, thank you, Greg. Thanks, David. I mean, as we said, first of all, first of all, it's very important to remember that we have still plenty of time under the existing code, so there is no urgent rush.
Speaker Change: You know, conversations are progressing very well and as we said before, very, very positive because at this moment, you know, it's the ecosystem is very solid and also all the teams.
Speaker Change: and all the relevant stakeholders had a huge benefit from everyone in this moment. So, the financial security for the future and stability that we have today, you know, it's underlining in the work we are preparing, and as soon as we have everything ready, of course, we will inform everyone, but as always, as I said, we want to do the right thing.
Speaker Change: Consider there's no rush. Everything is progressing well, as we said. And looking forward to confirming to you when we're going to announce something concrete.
Speaker Change: So, I would just add that, to Stefano's point, the most important thing for everybody, including ourselves and the teams, is to get it right, and so we're progressing at a good pace with the expectation that everyone will sign with glee on their face.
Speaker Change: And David, on the team payments, as you rightly point out, they've come down just a little bit on a per race basis. I think that represents some...
Speaker Change: some conservatism towards Vegas because really that's the last remaining Uncontracted revenue stream that we have for the year And you know, it largely reflects typical year two trends that promoters see so that that would be the primary reason
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Cutgun Morale with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker Change: Good morning and thanks for taking the question. Just on Formula One sponsorship, clearly there's a lot of momentum there. You've announced a number of new and expanded agreements. Seems like 2025 is going to be a banner year and Greg I think you commented that you feel good
Speaker Change: about the pipeline for commercial activity in 2026 as well. Can you help us just think about how meaningful the sponsorship for Revenue Growth Outlook can be in the coming years? Thank you.
I'll take a first cut if it's okay, Stefano.
Speaker Change: Look, you've seen the announcements here that are mostly 25 related. It's unusual. One would not expect.
Speaker Change: To be making announcements yet about 26 related deals, but we have a lot of activity going on Around potential sponsorship around licensing and other activities So it's it's very hard. You know, you're
Stefano Dimonicali: Still quite a ways out from those, but I feel good about the progress. I don't know if you had anything, Stefano.
Stefano Dimonicali: No, I would say for sure, and as always, we need to remember where we were just a couple of years ago in terms of quantity.
Stefano Dimonicali: and also quality of our partnership. Now we are growing significantly in terms of quantity and of course now the time is really to check.
Speaker Change: in terms of restructuring the deals, in terms of global, regional, official partner, due to the fact that we have a strong interest in our market so far. So, there are for sure other that we will exploit in the future, but the only thing that I can confirm, as was mentioned, is really, you know, we are really bringing in the interest that we are having from partners that are high, high, high value in the market. And that will be another leverage, because through a B2B business growth within the relationship we can create with all the partners, we can create even more interest in our platform. So, as I said, you know, look back and see where we were and look where we are, and I think that the future is always, it will be very positive again.
Speaker Change: Yeah, and one thing I would add, almost more towards David's question, that the sponsorship that we've announced for 2025, you've also seen, you know, that's all, that's all moving into 25, so any expectations that we had for those new agreements for 24 also had that impact on team pay.
Perfect. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Lashek with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker Change: Hey, great. Thanks for taking the questions. Two on Formula One. Maybe first for Greg on meteorites. Just curious for your latest thoughts on the sports meteorites landscape heading into the U.S. renewal next year and maybe how you're approaching your negotiations with ESPN. And second on Vegas, Brian, you mentioned the Las Vegas Grand Prix being the last uncontracted piece of the puzzle here. Just curious if there's anything more you can say on demand for Vegas heading into the final few weeks and any expectations around revenue and profitability for the event this year. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Stephen, thanks for the question. I'll start on the media side. As I think is well known, we have a partnership with ESPN that runs to the end of 25.
Speaker Change: It would be not atypical that there is some negotiating period with them. I'm obviously not going to disclose the specifics.
Speaker Change: ESPN's been a great partner. We will look to see what we can do with them, but there's also a lot of other interest from our partners, and we'll try and construct.
Speaker Change: the deal that manages to bring both the best economic opportunity for F1, but even more importantly perhaps, expose our fans to the best experience in a logical way across as much breadth as possible. So as always, we're going to play between economics and reach.
Speaker Change: and hopefully come up with the best result for our F1 fans and ourselves.
I'll let Rene talk a little bit about Las Vegas.
Rene: Thanks, Craig. So maybe we can just take a step back, focus on what we've been working on here in year two. Obviously, year one, we were very much focused on the quality of the fan experience.
Speaker Change: Year two has been a lot of focus around cost structure and optimizing our product ladder. We do expect that to continue going into years three and beyond.
Speaker Change: We made a number of improvements coming into this year, which have allowed us to continue to be dynamic in adjusting products and pricing based on real-time feedback we're receiving from the market.
Speaker Change: We would note the all-in cost of a Vegas race weekend has come into line with the other U.S. races, and we would refer you to the commentary from our hotel partners, Wynn and Caesars, regarding the continued strength of F1.
Speaker Change: In terms of recent activity, as expected, we are seeing an uptick in traffic and conversion rates around ticket sales, and we expect that to continue as we get closer to the race weekend.
Speaker Change: We are of course benefiting from the very competitive championship this year and we have seen success with our recent promotions including the Lewis Hamilton package and some special offerings that we've run in partnership with our sponsors Timo and MX.
Speaker Change: And, of course, we remain very positive on the benefits that Vegas is providing to the broader ecosystem of Formula One, including the LVMH deal, American Express.
Speaker Change: And getting back to the media rights renewal, we're looking to see the benefit of Vegas.
next year as well when Greg starts those discussions.
That's great. Thank you both.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ben Swinburne with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks. Good morning.
Bye.
Speaker Change: I'm not sure, Greg, how much you'd be willing to comment, but Live Nation stock's been quite strong the last few months, some of that, I think, in anticipation, correctly, I guess, of the election outcome. What do you think a Republican DOJ means for the range of outcomes for the lawsuit against Live Nation and its ability to navigate that successfully from a shareholder point of view?
Speaker Change: And then, at the risk of beating team payments to death, Brian, I think you've shown over 200 basis points of leverage year to date.
Speaker Change: How are you thinking about the full year versus that and how much of a swing factor is Las Vegas? Is that sort of a larger than normal variable when you think about your business as we think about the full year? Thanks so much.
Speaker Change: And it was nice of you to set up and acknowledge it would be very difficult for me to comment on I think Look live nation continues to prosper as a business
Speaker Change: and continue to believe it serves customers well and there is no basis for the lawsuit. And I don't think that's going to change. Their view is not going to change regardless of administration.
Yeah, on team payments,
Speaker Change: Like we said last quarter, Ben, slight leverage. I think de minimis might have been the words I used when we were at 61.9% at year-to-date Q.
Q2 so we're going to stick with that
Speaker Change: In terms of Vegas being a swing factor, if you think about our business, most of the revenues are contracted, most of the costs are contracted, the two big swing factors.
Speaker Change: In any given year are the sponsorship go get and then
Speaker Change: Vegas ticket sales Because you know that those have the highest volatility so yeah as you get closer to the end of the year you start to get More clarity on both of those although Vegas
Speaker Change: Being a last-minute market as we've pointed out many times. There's there's lots of work to be done As you enter q4 so there it can be a swing factor, but we we continue to be optimistic here
Thanks a lot.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Perdette with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Great, thank you.
Speaker Change: Not to look too far ahead, but I guess, how are you thinking about the opportunity for race promotion and the race calendar in 2026?
Speaker Change: Is that a year when we can start to see some new venues added to the calendar and just more broadly how you're thinking about your positioning for renewals given the elevated attendance you've seen over the past few years? Thanks.
Stefano, do you want to take a cut?
Stefano Dimonicali: Okay, thanks Greg. Of course, 26 race promotion. As you know, we have Madrid that will be part of the calendar. We have long-term deals on the other side, as you know, that is representing the vast majority of our situation today. And these allow us, of course, to work with them in order to promote better quality, to make sure that what we want to offer to our customer at a level is the highest standard.
Stefano Dimonicali: In 26 and further beyond, of course, we have some news to share very, very soon with regard to the possibility
Stefano Dimonicali: in the midterm to have some rotational European Grand Prix and some other new option coming later.
Stefano Dimonicali: And this is something that, of course, we'll clarify in the due course.
Stefano Dimonicali: It is true that we have a large demand of even new possible venues that want to come in.
Stefano Dimonicali: And our choice will be always balanced between, you know, the right economical benefits that we can have as a system and also to leverage in the growth of the market that we can see potential will be beneficial for us to grow even further our business.
Stefano Dimonicali: It's something that we are managing in the right way and thank God today we have a quality problem to handle that was not the case just a couple of years ago.
Great, thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Kraft with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, good morning.
Speaker Change: And two, if I could, first on media rights, there are other major markets in the Americas that have media rights contracts coming up for renewal around the same time as the U.S.
Speaker Change: Might we consequently see in America's media rights deal rather than just the US contract this time around?
Speaker Change: And then also related to that, how has what you value from your US media partner changed since the renewal of ESPN given just how streaming has become such a larger part of the business now? And then just separately sort of a follow-up on Vegas.
Speaker Change: Maybe to ask a little more bluntly, I mean, it sounds like promotion revenue is clearly going to be up, but ticket prices are going to be down, so probably overall ticket revenue is going to be down. Is that a fair interpretation of what Renee was going through before? Thank you.
Speaker Change: So if it's okay Stefano, I'll take a cut on the media. Look, we would love to find a partner.
Speaker Change: who would take on more markets, that's always very interesting, and make ease, perhaps, for them and us.
Speaker Change: There are no huge renewals in the Americas that make it logical.
Speaker Change: Not to say it wouldn't happen, but I don't think it would be an enormous economic swing.
Speaker Change: in any case, if we bundled with somebody for all the Americas.
We certainly have had.
Speaker Change: Rumors of you know larger deals and in some cases we certainly do have regional deals But I'm not sure that's going to work for the Americas that way that there's some partner who is going to take all of it That that way
Speaker Change: As far as streaming obviously we see the rise of streaming. We've noticed a couple of costs across a couple of our businesses We certainly notice the
Speaker Change: The reality is we have a great stream product in f1 TV ourselves
Speaker Change: which has shown tremendous growth. And we would look to consider whether a media partner, how we interacted with them on both a linear side of the existent and the streaming side and how our F1 TV fit in. But clearly streaming is going to be a more major component of all sports rights packages going forward.
Thank you, and on Vegas – sorry, go ahead.
Speaker Change: Sure. Yeah, happy to. So I guess just to reiterate, you know, we generally do not give race specific economics.
but with regard to your question on ticket revenue.
Speaker Change: Aggregate ticket revenue will be down from what we originally budgeted in Q1. However, throughout the course of 24, we have also continued to reduce costs.
Speaker Change: from what we budgeted in Q1. So, I would say that we're working hard to focus on getting the best profitability that we can from Vegas. And again, we would refer you to the broader benefit that it does bring to the F1 ecosystem.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Joyce with Seaport Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Two little questions, please. One was just a little bit more on the media rights. Just given that some of your recent deals
No, it's not.
Speaker Change: have been extended beyond the typical kind of three-year period we used to see and other sports leagues have done that as well. Just wondering how you're thinking about your objectives with these upcoming rights deals? And then the second question is on just a little one on the accounting of how you'll be recognizing the F1 movie next year. Thanks.
Speaker Change: So I think on the media rights deals I outlined some of our goals in terms of growing reach and making it a great experience for our fans as well as payments to us.
So, I think all of those goals remain the same.
We've chosen market-by-market longer or shorter deals based on
Speaker Change: where we stood in the market, what our growth was, what our partners were doing.
Speaker Change: what we wanted to go and obviously one of the reasons we cut a shorter deal in the U.S. last time is we were confident.
and really betting on ourselves that we would get.
Speaker Change: larger renewal down the road. That did work the first time we did a three-year deal. I'm optimistic it will work again.
I'm not
Speaker Change: Projecting whether the deal will be shorter or longer. I would note it's likely particularly if you went to another partner Which not sure that's going to happen You probably would cut a longer deal just because that partner would want to have some period to grow into it and work together But that's just observing on the media market. That's not projecting what we will or will not do on the u.s
Speaker Change: And on the F-1 movie, we've been paid in 2023 and 2024 for their use of the paddock building and having access to certain races. I think going forward, the revenues that you would expect there would be pretty small.
Okay, thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Barton Crockett with Rosenblatt Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Okay, great. Thanks for taking the question.
Speaker Change: You know, I guess a couple if I can, you know, one is.
Speaker Change: you know, turning to Vegas, looking beyond the race. I know there's been some hope that.
Speaker Change: The off-season could be monetized at Vegas and that could help.
Speaker Change: you know, maybe the margin profile. And I was just wondering if you could give us an update of your progress, are you really doing anything meaningful in the off season? You mentioned the film, I'm just wondering if there's anything else meaningful happening.
Speaker Change: Sure, so we are working hard to launch the Year of Business beyond just the event conference.
Speaker Change: segment, beginning in I'd say late Q1 of 25, it's going to be actually very much focused around educating new fans, bringing the new fans deeper into the sport, obviously Las Vegas is a destination.
Speaker Change: And we want to try to leverage that and bring these visitors to learn more about Formula One.
Speaker Change: Coming deeper into the U.S. culture, there will be a carding business there. There will also be a fun, interactive experience, sort of 3D, 4D type offering, which will also include a little bit of the legacy F1 exhibition.
Speaker Change: type educational experience as well. And then we will be looking to package those experiences to enhance the event conference space.
Speaker Change: So a lot more to come and we hope to be giving more specifics around that business during race week.
Speaker Change: Okay. And then, you know, if I could just follow up also on sponsorship, just to be clear, I mean, with all these announcements starting in 2025.
Speaker Change: It sounds like 2025 is gonna be a strong year for sponsorship, but I was wondering if you could comment on that more directly. Is that what we're seeing?
Yes.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks. It's going to be a good year, Barton. I hope you called it correctly.
Okay, thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, our final question this morning comes from the line of Jonathan Navarette with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.
Jonathan Navarette: My question is around the new markets and expansion. Are there any plans to expand the rate calendar, especially in emerging markets?
Jonathan Navarette: What I'm trying to get at is, I'm trying to get a sense of what your approach to balancing market expansion while maintaining the exclusivity or the allure of Formula 1.
Stefano, do you want to talk about...
Speaker Change: I think I know the answer, but I'll let you go off on it.
No, thanks.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Rick. I would say, as we said, we believe that the balance we have in terms of numbers is the right one.
Speaker Change: So 24 is the balance number that we feel is the right to keep exactly what you say Jonathan. And I do believe that all the propositions that are coming on our table is just giving us the possibility to make even the better choice for our future.
So, as always, need to be balanced.
Speaker Change: Knowing that, you know, we cannot follow only the pure direct financial proposition, because that is different from region to region, but it's up to us to propose to our stakeholders the right choice.
Speaker Change: And I think that we are in a good momentum to make sure that the strategy for the future is even stronger. And that's why we are so confident about the fact that this will help to enhance our platform on the sport, on social and business perspective.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: So I think that operator we're done on questions and we're done with the conference today. As I mentioned we look forward to seeing many of you either virtually or in person next week at our Investor Day. Thanks for joining and your interest in Liberty Media.
Thank you.