Q4 2024 Calix Inc Earnings Call
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Speaker Change: Thank you Tania and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our fourth quarter 2024 earnings call today on the call, we have president and CEO, Michael Wang and Chief Financial Officer, Cory Sindelar as a reminder, yesterday after the market close calc issued a news release, which was furnished on a form.
Speaker Change: 8-K, along with our stockholder letter O is also posted in the Investor Relations section of the Couch website.
Speaker Change: Today's conference call will be available for webcast replay in the Investor Relations section of our website horsepower call over to Michael for his opening remarks, I want to remind everyone that on this call. We will refer to forward looking statements, including all statements. The company will make about its future financial and operating performance growth strategy and market outlook.
Speaker Change: And that actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward looking statements factors that could cause actual results and trends to differ materially are set forth in our fourth quarter 2024 letter to stockholders and in the annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC.
Speaker Change: Calix assumes no obligation to update any forward looking statements, which speak only as of their respective dates.
Speaker Change: So in this conference call, we will discuss both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in the fourth quarter 2024 letter to stockholders unless otherwise stated all financial information referenced is in this call will be non-GAAP without Michael. Please go ahead. Thank you Nancy as I stated at connections.
Speaker Change: The industry is at a crossroads, a broadband provider much decided there remain a speed based network, operator, risking commoditization or embraced differentiation for broadband experiences.
Speaker Change: The fourth quarter delivered strong results as our business model was embraced by a growing number of broadband experience providers to meet the needs of the entire community consumer small business education, MDU government and the municipalities by doing so the experience provider becomes a community brand that wins.
Speaker Change: One such story is M. G W. Smart town network in Virginia, and GW utilize their networks to provide secure Wi Fi across multiple towns transforming how residents work play learn and communicate.
Speaker Change: Hurricane Helene M GW Smart town network ensured seamless outdoor Wi Fi eating and disaster recovery as highlighted EM gw's commitment to their community and ensure their brand is synonymous with the communities they serve.
Speaker Change: Going way beyond speed and price.
Speaker Change: Our mission remains aligned to help our customers win the disruption they had as they leverage our platform to simplify operations and their go to market innovate with new experiences that differentiate their offerings and grow for their investors members and the communities. They serve the strength of our mission strategy and execution is evidenced in our results in the fourth.
Corey: Corey or were you to cover the quarter.
Corey: Thank you Michael we saw strong demand during the fourth quarter and delivered revenue of $206 million, which is at the high end of our guidance range. We provided in October.
Corey: And represents two 6% sequentially quarterly revenue growth.
Corey: Demand for our platform cloud and managed services was strong once again and is best evidenced by growth in our Rps, which grew 10% sequentially to $326 million.
Corey: And increased 34% year over year.
Corey: Our current Rps, where $121 million up 10% sequentially and up 27% year over year.
Corey: This strength in our platform cloud and managed services led to record non-GAAP gross margin of 55, 5% in the fourth quarter.
Corey: As we have said all year, our focus remains on landing new footprint.
Corey: And in the fourth quarter, we added 18, new customers <unk> DSP customers.
Corey: Our Wyoming majority of these customer wins were competitive takeaways.
Corey: On the expansion front 21 customers adopted our platform.
Corey: 15 customers started with calix cloud and 32 customers deploy to managed service for the first time.
Corey: These are all examples of customers partnering with calix to cross the chasm and become broadband experience providers to win in their markets.
Corey: Our balance sheet metrics remain pristine.
Corey: After purchasing $7 million of our common stock during the quarter, we ended the year with record cash and investments of $297 million.
Corey: DSO remained at an industry best at 36 days.
Corey: Inventory turns were 3.1.
Corey: And if you exclude component inventory inventory turns were over for.
Corey: This compares to our target range of three to four turns.
Corey: Inventory deposits decreased by $4 million, bringing our inventory deposits to $63 million.
Corey: Down from a peak of $78 million a year ago.
Corey: Coupled with operational discipline management of our working capital remains a focus to enable consistent quarterly double digit free cash flow.
Corey: Moving to guidance.
Corey: For the first quarter of 2025.
Corey: Our revenue outlook is between 204 and $210 million, which at the midpoint would rep would represent a sequential increase in revenue.
Corey: For the first quarter of 2025.
Corey: non-GAAP gross margin is expected to remain flat to slightly up due to product mix as we continue to see a shift towards subscriber systems.
Corey: For 2025, we anticipate annual gross margin improvement will be at the lower end of our target financial model of 100 to 200 basis points.
Corey: We expect clients margins to be a headwind to overall margins due to a mix shift towards subscriber systems and an increase in revenue from medium and large customers as we land new footprints.
Corey: Regarding non-GAAP operating expense, we plan to continue to hold our 2025 operating expenses flat to slightly up compared with 2024 in terms of absolute dollars.
Corey: In summary, our visibility continues to improve our objective is to implement our strategy with discipline, helping our customers become broadband experience providers, who can deliver value to their subscribers and succeed in the marketplace.
Corey: To continue to increase our footprint by landing new broadband service providers and.
Corey: And to continuously expand our platform cloud and managed services with each of our customers.
Michael Wang: Michael back to you.
Michael Wang: Thank you Corey we're in the early stages of this once in a generation opportunity as the broadband industry disrupts the calix broadband platform cloud and managed services enable network operators to cross the chasm and become broadband experience providers that win in the communities. They serve we are excited about the opportunity ahead in 'twenty 'twenty four and we thank our team.
Speaker Change: Our customers our partners and shareholders for their support Nancy let's open the call for questions.
LaTanya: Thank you Latanya, we're ready to start.
LaTanya: At this time, we will conduct a question answer session. If you would like to ask a question. Please press star one on your telephone keypad, a confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue.
LaTanya: You May press star two if he would like to remove yourself from the queue.
LaTanya: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys, one moment, while we poll for our first question.
LaTanya: Our first question will come from Sami Chatterji with J P. Morgan. Please proceed.
Joe Cardoso: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. This is Joe Cardoso on for Sonic.
Speaker Change: Maybe just for the first one you had a large increase in our T. O. This quarter, which was pretty impressive falling so much step ups the last couple of quarters.
Speaker Change: I think in the bulk of the prior quarters, you referenced large deals network.
Speaker Change: Closing fault them now and I'm. Just curious was the increase this quarter are a function of the you know another one of these large deals coming through in your guys' clothing, and then how are you guys thinking about momentum continuing into 2025 on the Rps side just given the success you have had over the past couple of quarters and these large increases and then I have a quick follow up.
Speaker Change: Sure.
Speaker Change: As we came through Q4, we had connection right.
Speaker Change: While that was right before the previous earnings call. We came out of that event with a lot of momentum and a big part of that was the Ceos and general managers, who were there which is the largest number we've ever had over 300, we got a lot of conversations with regards to how the industry is disrupting and how they need to change and there was this it was a significant shift.
Speaker Change: In mindset that I noticed and that our selling teams noticed where are the customers where in the past, we're saying no I'm going to continue with my old business model, They were saying no I need to embrace it and that's what our P. O. R. R. P. OS are an example of customers who are.
Speaker Change: Embracing the transformation that they have to go through to launch new managed services launch experiences and as part of that they drive incremental revenue.
Speaker Change: And we reflect that through our P. O grows and you really saw that inquiries opening statement, where he talked about how many net new customers. The number of customers I think it was 32, who launched in managed service for the first time, so that momentum we expect that to continue.
Speaker Change: And Joe I'd add one other comment on that which is in the fourth quarter is typically our strongest quarter as people are aligning their contracts with their operating plans for the following year and so we normally see as strong.
Speaker Change: And as our platforms are all monetize on subscriber adds as these customers cross the chasm and become broadband experience providers, we expect that momentum to continue going forward, albeit it may be it varied rates, but we expect it to continue to increase as we go forward.
Speaker Change: No got it guys. Thanks for the color there and then for my next question. Our last question. Obviously, there was this lingering narrative around the risks around needs or government programs for them broadly coming under increased scrutiny.
Speaker Change: Initiation coming in maybe you can just share your thoughts on these concerns or updated thoughts on these concerns the conversations that you're having with customers, which is perhaps less concerned.
Kristina: Kristina risks from the investment community. Thanks for the questions guys.
Kristina: Oh, Yeah, there's a lot of noise and no news so we run our business based upon facts and things changing and therefore as the facts involve well.
Kristina: I adjust our strategy accordingly, but at this point, we have no comment because there's a lot of noise.
Kristina: No understood. Thanks, Cory I appreciate yes, sorry, thanks, Michael I appreciate it.
Joe Cardoso: Thanks, Joe.
Speaker Change: Next question operator can come from Ryan Koontz with Needham and company you May proceed.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. Thanks, Nice really nice RVO number.
Speaker Change: Maybe stepping back big picture here, given all the noise about beat you mentioned.
Speaker Change: And I think as you know a lot of the traditional infrastructure suppliers, you know nervous about about that but your primary business is really built on subscriber connections.
Speaker Change: Maybe speak to how the company is focusing on you know targeting and monetizing the installed base of <unk>.
Speaker Change: Fiber serve homes and businesses that'd be great Yeah, right. Yeah. Thanks, Ryan Great question and as you'll notice in the letter I don't believe the word beaters was once in the entire letter because the fundamentals of our business model is regardless and government funding, we're going to succeed and as you stated that the whole premise and growth model for calix, which we.
Speaker Change: Been investing in for now 13 years, the billing and for us to build the broadband platform allows our customers to do what you just said, which is monetize the subscriber and that monetize subscribers can be on you know what he's going to focus on is expanding our fiber networks and connections to subscribers, but for us it's around.
Speaker Change: It's a calix network or someone else's network, how do we help that service provider differentiate in what is becoming a commodity market and when the subscriber to monetize.
Speaker Change: And then on top of that how do you grow our parents through incremental services that are very sticky, which is what my whole keynote at connections was about where I personally was with a service provider. We basically took my fiber connection when I find out from $80 down to 54, and then three or five months in for free when I really should have.
Speaker Change: Have been monetized at between 101 hundred $50 a month.
Speaker Change: So to your point, our growth model and what you saw in the art P. O's and our focus is on how do we actually win help our customers win more subscribers, regardless of the network and that's about that's why we use the words crossing the chasm.
Speaker Change: We're very comfortable right now that we've gone through the product adoption cycles are the early adopters and innovators. We're now crossing that chasm into the early adopters and connections with a great indicator in Rps, where a great indicator that more and more customers are crossing that chasm.
Corey: Corey anything to add no I think he covered it Michael.
Corey: Great and maybe you can double click on the smaller customers. It looked like they were pretty.
Corey: Pretty weak relative to recent trends you know going back for a while here.
Corey: How do you think about that particular market the U S tier threes kind of getting going again relative to their greenfield projects do you have much hope that that's going to pick up this year or did you think that you would think about that is there's upside to numbers or how should investors think about that that core market of yours others.
Corey: There's talk about a cam and the C. P. F. A awards, maybe he's starting to help that that segment. Thanks.
Ryan Koontz: Yeah Ryan.
Ryan Koontz: We see strength kind of across the board. So everything has kind of returned back to more normal ordering patterns.
Ryan Koontz: As we as you look at that chart.
Ryan Koontz: It's a little misleading in the sense that.
Speaker Change: Yeah. There there were two large cut to medium sized customers really driving the growth in the quarter.
Speaker Change: One of those customers. If you were to look at the year ago period was in the small category and during the year last year became a medium.
Speaker Change: So it's a little bit of comparing apples to oranges, if youre looking at that Bar chart.
Speaker Change: So if you were to kind of put that guy back down in the smalls. It wouldn't look so dramatic as it does today.
Speaker Change: Got it and does that does any U S International customers can you tell me.
Speaker Change: International.
Speaker Change: Perfect Alright, great.
Speaker Change: Other thing I would add in there is it just says there's a seasonality element to that right now it's.
Speaker Change: It's kind of like when in previous quarters, when they're like Oh, the largest down significantly is that an issue I would not read anything into the mix from the quarter. It all of course point broader across the strong across both segments.
Speaker Change: Got it.
Speaker Change: Thanks, guys.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from George Notter with Jefferies. Please proceed.
George Notter: Hi, guys. Thanks, a lot I guess I'd love to start by asking about.
Speaker Change: If I look at your tax rate guidance for the year.
And I heard what you said about adding a growing at an international customer. It seems like there's a lot of strength in international which would which would push that tax rate up I guess, I'm inferring that that customer or maybe other international customers are going to remain strong for a good chunk of the year, but could you talk us through the dine.
Speaker Change: <unk> that.
Speaker Change: Youre seeing there and maybe anything you can tell us on these new customer wins or where the ramp in our existing customers internationally.
Speaker Change: Yeah, George on the international side.
Speaker Change: It's going to be fairly consistent. So this is one of those things where I think you as we you'll seen in the past.
Speaker Change: Those international calls for customers can be lumpy.
Speaker Change: Right. If you were to go back there would be a couple of quarter or two or would be up and then it goes back down.
Speaker Change: I suspect you're going to see the same thing as we look at 2025.
Speaker Change: Overall, I don't think international will grow.
Speaker Change: Disproportionately to the United States.
Speaker Change: And so therefore, I think it'll be relatively the same as you look at it for the whole year.
Speaker Change: So I think that's it I don't I wouldn't characterize that youre going to see an increase in international it's really not going to grow faster than what's going on in the United States.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Go ahead Sir.
Speaker Change: Does that makes sense what was your second part of your question, but that's the impact of the tax rate, yes, I assume the tax rate was part of this why does the tax rate higher I guess is the question.
Speaker Change: Good.
Speaker Change:
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: It is it is where we were able to take advantages of some.
Speaker Change: Tax credits and those are running off a bit.
Speaker Change: And so its just normalized a little bit higher so we've had some recapture of some prior tax credits are brought down the effective rate last year and those have run out. So this is kind of more of our norm normalized rate moving forward.
Speaker Change: Got you, Okay, and then I think.
Speaker Change: Each of the last two quarters, you talked about a large new customer.
Speaker Change: Coming coming on board.
Speaker Change: Maybe more in the context of the cloud offerings, but.
Speaker Change: Was that part of the RP O shrank this quarter or is that still to come in terms of the RPM improvement. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
You're right when we were talking about the largest deal.
Speaker Change: And you know in the second quarter, and then he and topped it in the third quarter that was related to our cloud platform cloud and managed services.
Speaker Change: In the fourth quarter, there was no such large contract we had no large contract or so so there are lots of lots of.
Speaker Change: Medium sized contracts and it was broad based across a number of many customers don't come we've got to go back to your opening statements. We had the reason why Q4 was strong and the makeup of that wasn't very strong diversified business, which we're very proud of which is 31 net new customers were 32 two launches.
Speaker Change: Their first managed service when they launch that managed service they sign up but that's for a multiyear contract and with a ramp or however, we ended up doing it with them depending on the deal specifics and that was the makeup of the fourth quarter strength. So a good thing and what makes Korean I very confident and happy about the quarter with Archos is actually it wasn't one deal.
Speaker Change: It was strength across the board.
Speaker Change: Okay Super Thanks, a lot I appreciate it guys.
George Notter: Thanks George.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Christian Schwab with Craig Hallum. Please proceed.
Christian Schwab: Hey, good morning, guys. So.
Christian Schwab: In the letter we're getting you know talked about this once in a generation disruption in the broadband industry and you said you guys are excited about your multiyear outlook for the business.
Christian Schwab: Can you quantify what that multiyear outlook looks like you know revenue and earnings potential over some type of multiyear timeframe that you're running the business too.
Christian Schwab: If you guys have talked about that recently.
Christian Schwab: No we haven't provided any color out there certainly over a multiyear period.
Christian Schwab: If anything I would fall back to our target financial model.
Christian Schwab: Which which says hey, we can grow somewhere in that 10% to 15% range.
Christian Schwab: At this point, we haven't provided anything over a longer term than that.
Christian Schwab: Okay, and then earlier this morning.
Speaker Change: Early our touch.
Speaker Change: Can you just talk about the fact that they were shipping to some customers already in Q4.
Speaker Change: I know theres only been a few states that are.
Speaker Change: Released money, but have you seen any benefits of those few states that have already got their money.
Speaker Change: Yeah. So.
Speaker Change: In terms of what we see so far is yes, we've received our first order out of Louisiana.
Speaker Change: Albeit it's small.
Speaker Change: And in conversations with those customers, they're looking to do exactly what we thought they would do which is continue to place orders in the first and second quarter and they'll have their first customer turn ups in the third and fourth quarters and so you would expect delivery in the third and fourth quarters. So it's it's like what we expected.
Speaker Change: Happen and were seeing it come to fruition.
Speaker Change: [laughter] fantastic no other questions. Thanks, guys.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Tien Saturday with Northland Capital. Please proceed.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Tien Saturday: Hi, good morning, excuse me.
Speaker Change: And.
Speaker Change: Question kind of.
Speaker Change: It comes out of the comments around gross margins for the year or the improvement being at the low end of the range and I guess.
Speaker Change: I don't want to kind of marry that up with revenue growth expectations.
Speaker Change: No.
Speaker Change: Given that you're talking about more medium to large carrier appliance growth.
Speaker Change: Could we see you know.
Speaker Change: Somewhat of an offset I guess to the.
Speaker Change: Low end gross margin guide in terms of stronger than expected.
Speaker Change: Revenue growth.
Speaker Change: Given those dynamics and as you mentioned, the 10% to 15% range.
Speaker Change: Do you think the company could be in a position I know you got a tough comp for Q1 here in terms of the year, but in a position to return to that double digit growth range by the end of calendar 'twenty five or some point in the second half.
Speaker Change: Given those dynamics you mentioned of.
Speaker Change: Larger revenue more revenue from larger customers and lower gross margins. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yes, Tim.
Speaker Change: So.
Speaker Change: In a sense if you look at what we just did in the fourth quarter, we grew two 6% sequentially.
Speaker Change: You annualize that we're back to kind of a double digit growth rate as it was now we're obviously not guiding for that in the first quarter.
Speaker Change: What we've said is that we will grow sequentially between one and 5% going forward.
Speaker Change: And we said that we expect to be in the middle of the range as we exit 2025, so as long as we can get back to that two 3%.
Speaker Change: Growth rate sequentially, or you're a double digit grower and so the answer to your question is yes, we think that happens.
Speaker Change: Certainly by the second half of this year.
Speaker Change: And that's with.
Yeah, no meaningful impact from from beating that number. So I think we will do that just with what customers we acquired over the last year.
Speaker Change: The growth of our existing customers.
Speaker Change: It relates to margins, though.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'll take that one so I won't talk about mix.
Speaker Change: So what what we identified in the margin and why it's at the low end of the range is because you're seeing a mix shift over to the to the subscriber.
Speaker Change: Are you calling out subscriber systems side right.
Speaker Change: And as an investor that's the most important thing you need to pay attention to it because you should be looking at that and saying that.
Speaker Change: Oh, well calix always thought that the most important thing that we should be doing with winning new subscribers and we do that by our customers winning subscribers putting systems into the home and business and then we monetize on top of it through incremental services, so well when I look at the lower end of the range on margins I think of this as us laying out.
Speaker Change: Significant incremental footprint that will monetize over a long period of time.
Speaker Change: We look at this as a significant positive through the year, it's not necessarily a short term revenue bump, although corey did identify some opportunities for that and how we're back into double digit growth but.
Speaker Change: Ross This is core to who we are and how our leadership team is focused.
Speaker Change: Expand the footprint monetize on top of it I'm not that's the biggest thing we're focused on now creates long term value for shareholders from our perspective from our opinion.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Great and if I could follow up on the <unk>.
Speaker Change: Medium and large carrier.
Speaker Change: <unk> I guess.
Speaker Change: Now would you characterize that growth that you expect is coming from existing more new customers and in particular do.
Speaker Change: Do you have any more visibility here as we work through the end of last year and into this year on prospects for growth and Verizon given what's going on over there.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Verizon continues to you know Verizon has been a customer of ours for about six years now and so you know they've continue to invest and calix technology in a pretty consistent rate or a bit lumpy, but you know I would expect not some significant shift from Verizon in the way that they're operating in and is this going to continue on with.
Speaker Change: Guards to winning customers, we talked about how in a.
Speaker Change: Here are few customers in the medium size basically.
Speaker Change: Launched smaller smart business for the very first time.
Speaker Change: And was a big win for us.
Speaker Change: Second half last year.
Speaker Change: And that represents for us.
Speaker Change: A great example, where that segment of the market, who is generally slower to move than the smaller customers simply because of the fact that smaller customers can be more agile and that theyre also starting to acknowledge that there is a significant challenge in the market with regards to.
Speaker Change: Broadband monetization that they need to operate differently. So do.
Speaker Change: Do I think that those opportunities open up for us for through the year, yes.
Speaker Change: From the front I did a lot of miles last year meeting with customers and I think part of that is conversing with them around the state of their business and what they're concerned about and I consistently hear that they they look at this quantitative ocean.
Speaker Change: They look at the challenge of what you're hearing from the tier ones is something called convergence, which frankly convergence is a bit of.
Speaker Change: That nonsense, it's really just a bundle how do I put the broadband mobile bundle and then discount and so they look at those challenges and they're saying how do I compete and this represents a significant opportunity for calix to to work with them to change their go to market and win through experiences.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks very much.
Speaker Change: I'll pass on to your questions.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: They are of Roth capital partners. Please proceed.
Speaker Change: Hey, good morning, Thanks for taking the questions and nice job on the quarter.
Mike maybe just to dive in a little bit deeper on the RP O front significant growth on a sequential and year over year basis, you talked a little bit about some of the high level reasons I'm wondering if you could dive down a layer in terms of what services, you're seeing the adoption for <unk>, whereas the real interest there and are you guys thinking about different metrics.
Speaker Change: In terms of how you report that to US beyond just our appeal is for example.
Speaker Change: A number of different services that customers are using and how should we be thinking about growth in 2025 and beyond given that now you're well above 20% growth over the last couple of quarters on a year over year basis.
Speaker Change: Sure so from a.
Speaker Change: It's difficult to say you know is the one product like like one go to market strategy. That's growing it really depends on the maturity of the customer. So our customer success organization has established a really good maturity of customer model. So what we do is we look at the stages from network operator.
Speaker Change: Which means I know how to dig trenches and running network.
Speaker Change: All the way up to a full experience provider, which I would say as an example would be people who were up on stage you you've heard bright speed talking about how theyre going down that model. They you saw Tom Big B. It was a cooperative who has done that very effectively and deployed all every technology that we have and ever go to market model and then you have this mix it.
Speaker Change: In between and so our entire success organization, which is unique in the market. We have over 100 people that do this every single day, who invest in our customers and really help them progress through that maturation model.
Speaker Change: Unlike anyone else in the industry, that's what they do every single day and it really just depends on where the customer is so is there one that you know I'm more excited about them either absolutely not because it just comes down to having the network operator as you heard from the 32 in this quarter, who did launch their first managed services okay.
Speaker Change: I've launched from basic fiber.
Speaker Change: And Wifi management to a managed service of some type and now I'm going to March up the stack you know do I launch Smart town next dialogue small it's small businessman.
Speaker Change: It really just comes down to their leadership, what the structures are and their market and what their brand strategy is and so you know there's nothing specific that I would give out like other than perhaps you know how many you know as we go through our customer base, which is over a thousand broadband providers. The only interesting thing in there is how many are one how many.
Speaker Change: Our two services how many are three that's something that we can contemplate but.
Speaker Change: There is not one specific thing other than there was a very clear journey map that we have that we share with customers on how to progress from network operator to high margin very profitable crushing your competition experienced provider.
Michael Wang: Hey, Mike maybe just to follow up on that is what what is that gestation period.
Mike: In terms of taking that customer from the initial nibble of managed services to a more deep penetration and is that timeline shrinking now with the commercial success, you're seeing with a lot of other b P customers out there.
Mike: Well so that's it really depends on the customer and frankly, I would say that it's not so much you know they look at their their kind of their peer group and they would say Oh that guy is doing it really well and that women's doing something really innovative I wanna be like them, that's a traditional adoption curve, but what actually drives in my from my perspective that the timelines.
Mike: Frankly, it's how much pressure they are under.
Mike: The more competition, there and in a market when someone's kicking there, but you know it's.
Mike: It's fascinating to watch you, you'll see a C E O who's like you know what I'm good enough I'm going to keep building fiber I'm Gonna you know I've got a basic managed service I'm not doing outdoor Wi Fi and not doing these other things, but I'm I'm pretty happy and all of a sudden someone announces that they're going to overbuild their market and it's amazing to watch their demeanor change overnight.
Speaker Change: They are about to get their bucket. So from my perspective, it's really around how do we continue to educate and drive that sense of urgency because frankly, the Ceos, who wait until the crisis is there should be fired [laughter], it's that simple and so we that we really need to educate them on the <unk>.
Speaker Change: Freight train, that's coming and that they need to change and I would say we're doing a good job of that that was that was kind of my takeaway from connections where he talked about on the last earnings call is that where the CEO is a year before you definitely had just a small tranche of C.
Speaker Change: He owes for where those innovators and early adopters, but they were kind of alone everybody else was saying they still think golly I sure wish that the market would stay the same way and I didn't have to do this hard stuff, but I could just dig a ditch put fiber in it have a great managed Wifi service do a great job of managing.
Speaker Change: My network and Rolling trucks, and then that's good enough to succeed well. This year everybody was talking about the fact that that isn't good enough. Yes, you gotta do that well, but that's the basics like that's you know to be in the market you have to do those things you really need to think about what you're doing. This is frankly. This is what we've been talking about for a real long time.
Speaker Change: This is why I joined the company nine years ago, and why we've made such massive investments to really make this happen and make it simple because this is a key thing as we do make it simple and I would go back to the bright speed press release, and what we put on the earnings call are starting their earnings call and we talked about the last earnings call, but we also put up a connections you heard Tom Mcguire.
Speaker Change: Bright feed site. There if you look at bright speed and when Apollo acquired that asset and brought it from lumen Lumens back office that they acquired is very old decades old and for them to do anything has significant it costs, which frankly is the story of every large carrier.
Speaker Change: I always joke back about my time at Bell, Canada, if I use the word amdocs that cost me a million dollars, let alone do a project and it was two years did you an it integration and and bright speed was able to launch a new service in multi gig service and add a new router in 30 days, which is unheard of and so it's unheard of for every.
Speaker Change: Body else, that's that's the promise and what we do as a broadband platform. That's what we do every single day.
Speaker Change: Our ability to launch new services is really not an I T constraint, it's not a technology constraint in fact I T. M. A C. T O team have nothing to do they have some base testing to do because it just works because of the platform. The real work and this is where we had been investing in our customer success organization Mac Collins, our COO and <unk>.
Speaker Change: John Durocher, our head of customer success and myself, we spend all of our time teaching customers that actually the hard work is to become a great marketing and sales company and this frankly is what the CASM is yeah.
Speaker Change: I have to go from I Havent really great service I have I'm really good operationally too I am the best sales and marketing organization in the markets that I serve and I understand brand.
Speaker Change: And that's everything that we've done and you know I'm proud to say that I think we're doing a really good job of.
Speaker Change: Demonstrating to our customers how to build a great brand and that is evidenced by the did you de award that we won up against companies like Sony Playstation that are the advertising that we provide our customers. So that they can put their brand on it and do the advertising in your market is kind of best in class, regardless of industry and will continue to lead there and.
Speaker Change: That's what our focus is.
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Speaker Change: There are no questions and just just Mike just to clarify in terms of the tier two and tier three customers outside of one customer graduating it sounds like.
Speaker Change: Channel and customer inventory has normalized and there shouldn't be any any big digestion periods as we're looking into 2025 and real quick on the competitive takeaway front.
Speaker Change: It sounds like a lot of your new wins came from competitive takeaways anything to note. There is a disarm zone as it otherwise and anything of note. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yes, Scott. So so here we are in 91 days further along on this process and and you know in Brazil, our visibility has improved.
Speaker Change: And you know it looks like the order and normalization is completed.
Speaker Change: Don't expect any.
Speaker Change: Nominally is associated with inventory at customer level like customers yeah.
Speaker Change: Yeah, and then on that competitive takeaway so what we identified as I believe that all but one of the of the net new customers here.
Speaker Change: Competitive takeaways, but I really think of it like a competitive takeaway I actually think of it as the customer is deciding on a new business strategy and its not those are not about the network. Those are the majority of them are actually customers, saying I have an existing network and I need to change my go to market model and I'm going to for the first time partner with calix around.
Speaker Change: What they're doing in their cloud what theyre doing in go to market strategy behavioral analytics, which engagement cloud how do I change my business model.
Speaker Change: I think you could say that it's competitive takeaway, obviously, we're displacing someone else's Wi Fi router, but it's really about every single one of those as of March down the path of helping customers cross the chasm and transform their business for the long term.
Speaker Change: That also like I don't think I know where unique with regards to this everyone else to just selling a bunch of them boxes and you know it was one customer said to me it's fascinating to me on the Wifi side that how many people still run their business based upon can I save 20 Bucks on a router and they're making like a you know a seven year decision.
Speaker Change: For that capital gain of like a couple of Bucks, they're giving up all of the incremental revenue all of the M. P. S gains and then the incremental opportunities such as smart town, which allows them to solidify their brand and support the community around education police fire ambulance.
Speaker Change: Subscriber roaming around the town and then future monetization opportunities and so I think the more customers who are strategically minded versus.
Speaker Change: Short term, what's my Capex.
Speaker Change: The more we can actually educate them on how to do that that's the key thing you know again I go back to my time, when I was running a business and at a large telco.
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Speaker Change: I actually had this conversation with my procurement team.
Speaker Change: Mike.
Mike: Go away will never cut our way to growth.
Mike: We're going to invest in the right choices and we're gonna grow <unk>, when a dropdown churn and to grow our <unk> and then we're going to shift our brand in and when new subs and that's what he did when I was there and you know we went we added 25% increase in ARPA over three years. After five years decline and that's exactly the mindset that we bring to our customers and.
Mike: Everything that we've done over the last decade, and the investments that we're making.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, so much.
Mike: Thanks.
Speaker Change: Thank you we have reached the end of our question answer session and I'd like to now turn the call back over to Nancy plus email for closing remarks.
Speaker Change: Thank you Latanya callison participate in several investor events during the first quarter information about these events, including dates and times and publicly available webcast will be posted on the events and presentations page of our Investor Relations section of Calix Dot com. Once again. Thank you everyone on this call and the webcast for your interest in <unk>.
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