Q4 2024 Nasdaq Inc Earnings Call
Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to NASDAQ fourth quarter and full year 2024 results conference call.
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I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker, Ato Garrett, Senior Vice President and Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.
Ato Garrett: Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today to discuss NASDAQ's fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial results.
Speaker Change: On the line are Adena Friedman, our chair and chief executive officer, Sarah Youngwood, our chief financial officer, and other members of the management team.
Ato Garrett: After prepared remarks we'll open the line for Q&A. The press release and earnings presentation accompanying this call can be found on our investor relations website.
Ato Garrett: I would like to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements on this call that involve risk.
Ato Garrett: A summary of these risks is contained in our press release and a more complete description in our annual report on Form 10-K.
Ato Garrett: We will discuss the financial performance on a non-GAAP basis and adjust it for the impact of acquisitions, FX, and the previously announced one-time revenue benefits in market services in the fourth quarter of 2023 and an index in the first quarter of 2024.
Ato Garrett: Definitions and reconciliations of US GAAP to non-GAAP plus adjustments can be found in our earnings presentation as well as in a file located in the financial section of our investor relations website at ir.nasdaq.com
Ato Garrett: The fourth quarter marks the one-year anniversary of the acquisition of Axiom SL and Calypso.
Ato Garrett: Going forward, we will report the financial performance for these businesses within the consolidated results of the respective subdivisions and will no longer disclose these revenues in an organic revenue growth reconciliation.
Ato Garrett: And with that, I will now turn the call over to Adena. Thank you, Ato, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us.
Adena Friedman: On the call this morning, I'll start with an overview of our 2024 financial and operational performance. I'll then discuss our strategic priorities and outlook for 2025 before handing the call to Sarah to walk through the financial results and outlook in more detail.
Adena Friedman: Reflecting on the last year, I'm extremely proud of NASDAQ's progress towards becoming a scalable platform company and delivering on our vision to be the trusted fabric of the world's financial system.
Adena Friedman: Throughout 2024, we substantially completed the integration of Calypso and Actium SL, further showcased the value of our solutions, delivered on our growth objectives, and achieved our initial expense synergies in deleveraging goals ahead of schedule.
Adena Friedman: The NASAC team's ability to execute our strategy and create value for our clients provides us with confidence entering 2025, as evidenced by the strengthening of our competitive position and significant traction we are gaining with us through new client wins, upsells, and cross-sells.
Adena Friedman: Moving to our financial results for the year, NASDAQ's net revenues of $4.7 billion increased 9% from 2023. Solutions delivered 10% revenue growth for the full year, with growth in each quarter within or above the range of our medium-term outlook.
Adena Friedman: ARR ended the year at $2.8 billion, an increase of 7.5% year-over-year.
Adena Friedman: For the fourth quarter, we delivered a net revenue growth of 10% year-over-year to $1.2 billion and solutions revenue grew 9%.
Adena Friedman: Moving to the full-year performance of our divisions, Capital Access Platforms generated 3% ARR growth and 10% revenue growth in 2024, driven by an outstanding year of index performance.
Adena Friedman: Financial technology delivered 10% revenue growth for the year. We delivered 12% ARR growth overall for the division, which included 23% growth in financial crime management technology, 11% growth for a regulatory technology, and 9% growth for capital markets technology.
Adena Friedman: Market Services achieved record full-year revenue driven by higher volumes across the U.S. equity derivatives as well as U.S. and European cash equities.
Adena Friedman: Turning to our operational highlights for 2024, the addition of Axioma Cell Eclipse has greatly accelerated our journey as a platform company. In its first year, the Financial Technology Division delivered strong financial and operational accomplishments, which resulted from deep and meaningful engagements with our clients.
Adena Friedman: Today, our Financial Technology Division has emerged as a vital force of innovation, as our more than 3,800 clients now see us as a complete partner in helping to solve their most critical challenges across risk, regulation, and trade infrastructure.
Adena Friedman: The financial system is at a point where transformation is technologically and culturally possible, with greater confidence in the banking and capital markets industry to implement cloud-based solutions.
Adena Friedman: For example, according to NASAC and BCG's recent complexity report, the level of comfort among global banks to deploy cloud-based solutions has increased from 57% just five years ago to 93% today.
Adena Friedman: Additionally, today, only 22% of banks prefer in-house built solutions for their regulatory compliance programs.
Adena Friedman: The large majority understand that external solutions provide superior capabilities to solve common industry problems, and they are seeking strategic technology partners who can provide solutions across multiple disciplines.
Adena Friedman: This sentiment is evident across the division, as NASDAQ's enhanced product portfolio has strengthened our client relationships, which materialized through the signing of 263 new clients.
Adena Friedman: 424 upsells, and 11 cross-sells this year. Importantly, these collective wins represent our continued penetration across global financial institutions, and our cross-sells highlight our success in Tier 1 and Tier 2 banks.
Adena Friedman: Notable examples include a major financial institution expanding from trade surveillance, Axiom SL, and Calypso to include Nasic Verifin and another tier one bank adding Calypso to its existing Axiom SL solution.
Adena Friedman: As the division continues to mature, we're confident that we will deepen our strategic relations with our clients even further while delivering broad-based growth.
Adena Friedman: Now I'll turn to a review of our subdivisions within financial technology, beginning with NASDAQ Verifin, where a growing number of financial institutions recognize our unique and differentiated capabilities in helping them root out financial crime.
Adena Friedman: Nasdaq's financial crime management technology business completed a one new cross sell with a tier one bank for our wire fraud solution during the quarter and today Nasdaq Verifin serves over 2,600 financial institutions representing nearly 10 trillion dollars in assets including five tier one banks
Adena Friedman: Building on the strength of Nasic Paraffin's industry-leading offerings in North America, we've announced our launch in Europe where we are engaging with clients across the region.
Adena Friedman: Regulatory technology and capital markets technology are advancing the modernization of global markets as well as our clients ability to manage risk and compliance. In 2024 we had several marquee deals which underscores our right to win across our serviceable addressable market.
Adena Friedman: In the fourth quarter, NASDAQ signed a long-term agreement to provide a future-proof regulatory management solution through Axiom SL to Oryp, a collaborative joint venture of banks and financial services providers in Austria. We look forward to providing additional details on this important partnership in the coming weeks.
Adena Friedman: Axiom SL also secured an upsell with Societe Generale to manage its domestic regulatory reporting needs.
Adena Friedman: France, India, and the Philippines represent key regulatory technology international expansion opportunities that we've unlocked in 2024, and the strong progress that we've made positions as well to build momentum in these countries in 2025.
Adena Friedman: Surveillance signed 24 new clients during the year including three new market regulators and our first market surveillance client in Taiwan.
Adena Friedman: During the fourth quarter, 100% of new trade surveillance clients were cloud customers. And as of the fourth quarter, 68% of our clients are leveraging cloud for our cloud-based, leveraging our cloud-based solution up from 53% a year ago.
Adena Friedman: Capital markets technology advanced its international strategy expanding our key, our client base in key markets including Latin America with notable wins across Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia.
Adena Friedman: Market Technology signed nine new commitments in 2024 with existing clients as they continue to modernize markets and we expect this trend to continue this year. We also signed three new crypto clients in the fourth quarter.
Adena Friedman: As we look ahead, our digital asset strategy continues to focus on helping the industry mature for infrastructure that enhances market liquidity, transparency and integrity through the integration of the asset class within financial institutions.
Adena Friedman: This is evident from the industry's adoption of our market technology surveillance and Calypso solutions. More broadly, NASIC is already active in the SASE class with the iShares Bitcoin Trust ETF and options for this ETF, as well as other listed crypto ETFs in our US and European markets.
Adena Friedman: We see potential growth areas in digital assets, options, products, and proprietary index options benchmarked to cryptocurrency indexes.
Adena Friedman: We expect additional opportunities to arise as new regulatory frameworks provide clearer guidance, and NASAC will continue to strategically assess and pursue them in this dynamic space.
Turning to our Capital Access Platforms Division.
Adena Friedman: We continued our strong success in attracting new listings to NASDAQ as the world's preeminent market operator, supporting corporate and investor decision-making through valuable data and workflow tools.
Adena Friedman: and driving even more liquidity into the market through our leading index franchise.
Adena Friedman: In 2024, NASDAQ extended our listings leadership to six consecutive years as the top U.S. exchange by number of IPOs and proceeds raised.
Adena Friedman: For the year, NASAC got 180 IPOs, raising $23 billion in total proceeds. This included 130 operating company IPOs, headlined by Lineage, the largest IPO of the year. Overall, NASAC achieved an 80% win rate among eligible operating company IPOs in the U.S. for the year.
Adena Friedman: In the third quarter, we celebrated the 500th listing transfer to NASDAQ, cumulatively representing nearly $3 trillion of market value measured as of the date of each transfer.
Adena Friedman: We continued our momentum in the fourth quarter with 14 new transfers, including Palantir, the largest exchange transfer on a U.S. exchange in 2024, bringing the total market value of switches to NASDAQ to over $180 billion for the year.
Adena Friedman: And to start 2025, we welcome Domino's, which began on the NASDAQ Stock Exchange on January 2nd.
Adena Friedman: 2024 was also an exceptional year for our index franchise, which delivered 31% revenue growth, ending the year with record AUM.
Adena Friedman: Innovation remains at the heart of this franchise as we launched 116 new products in the year with over half occurring outside the United States.
Adena Friedman: Importantly, 27 of these products were in the insurance annuity space and 30 were launched in partnership with new index clients, delivering on our expansion pillars across innovation, globalization, and the institutional space.
Adena Friedman: Within Workflow & Insights, analytics saw continued demand from asset managers and asset owners for our data and workflow solutions. This demand across the client ecosystem resulted in strong year-over-year growth.
Adena Friedman: In Corporate Solutions, we focus on strengthening our offerings while managing through beta challenges as corporate buying cycles remain elongated throughout the year. We anticipate an improvement in this business as the IPO environment normalizes.
Adena Friedman: Finally, in our market services division, we demonstrated leadership across our U.S. and European markets.
Adena Friedman: We experienced strong adoption of our index options and multi-listed options products as index options revenue more than doubled year-over-year.
Adena Friedman: In addition, we delivered a record volume of shares and notional value traded in the closing cross this year, including a record fourth quarter in terms of volume of shares traded.
Adena Friedman: We also made progress modernizing our markets with the migration of NASDAQ ISE to our next generation derivatives platform, Fusion, in September.
Adena Friedman: In addition, as part of our ongoing assessment of our business unit's portfolio and their alignment with our strategy, we announced that NASDAQ has entered into an agreement with Euronext to sell our Nordic Power Futures business.
Adena Friedman: This transaction will sharpen our focus on our strategic growth areas as we lead the European market.
Adena Friedman: Moving forward, our European business is an integral part of our strategy as the combination of our U.S. and European footprint is critical to our ability to serve clients globally.
Adena Friedman: Overall, NASX delivered robust growth across our business while achieving significant strategic and operational milestones.
Adena Friedman: At our investor day in March we introduced three strategic priorities integrate, innovate, and accelerate to deliver resilient and scalable growth. We successfully executed on these priorities and are well positioned entering 2025.
Adena Friedman: Through our relentless execution of our Integrate priority, our Financial Technology Division has a well-structured and highly-functioning operating model, and we're deploying the one-NASDAQ go-to-market approach to deliver holistically for our clients.
Adena Friedman: In addition, our solid free cash flow enabled NASDAQ to lower its gross leverage ratio from 4.3 times at the end of last year to 3.6 times at the end of 2024.
Adena Friedman: NASAC exited 2024 having actioned over 100% of our net expense synergies target and Sarah will discuss our incremental efforts to deliver additional cost synergies and efficiencies.
Adena Friedman: Moving to our innovate priority, we amplified innovation across NASDAQ, introducing and incorporating new AI-powered solutions and product offerings across each of our divisions in 2024.
Adena Friedman: We've seen solid client adoption to date, and our product managers continue to work on delivering new AI features in their product roadmaps.
Adena Friedman: Looking ahead, we have a strong innovation pipeline with various product launches expected over the course of the year.
Adena Friedman: Within our internal business operations, our focus with AI adoption has shifted from exploration and experimentation in 23 and 24 to driving impact entering 2025.
Adena Friedman: Our team is engaged in scaling our use of AI to deliver efficiencies and productivity enhancements across the organization, which is also reflected in the expanded efficiency program that Sarah will describe.
Adena Friedman: And with our Accelerate priority, we drove 17 cross-sells since the Adenta acquisition closed, including 11 in 2024 and 4 in the fourth quarter.
Adena Friedman: Cross-sell opportunities now account for over 15% of Financial Technology Division's pipeline with several deals at advanced stages as we execute organized sales campaigns that showcase the cross-functionality of our solution suite and deepen relationships with senior decision makers across our clientele.
Adena Friedman: NASDAQ remains on track to exceed $100 million in run rate revenue from crossbells by the end of 2027.
Adena Friedman: Looking ahead to 2025, NASDAQ is well positioned to build on our successful 24 and deliver durable revenue growth.
Adena Friedman: As we continue our journey to become a platform company, our transformation is built on four distinct strengths.
a robust interconnected client network
Purpose-built modern solutions that directly address our clients specific challenges.
Adena Friedman: A scalable build-once-deploy-to-many approach across our technology and operational platform and standardized architectural principles and frameworks that unify our business and technology operations.
Adena Friedman: These factors, coupled with our deep industry expertise, have elevated our conversations with current and prospective clients.
Adena Friedman: As our conversations continue to materialize into new client wins, upsells, and cross-sells, we're entering 2025 with strong momentum across our business.
Adena Friedman: In addition, the solid economic backdrop bodes well for NASDAQ and our clients. In the U.S., consumer spending and relatively low unemployment continue to support GDP growth.
Adena Friedman: Further, inflation and interest rates have settled into a more predictable state than we experienced between 2022 and 2024, giving investors more confidence in their ability to deploy capital.
Adena Friedman: For example, after several years of muted IPO activity, we expect more companies to list on public markets with an uptake beginning in the second quarter of 2025, setting up a strong half of the year. We continue to have a healthy pipeline of companies that have filed to go public on NASDAQ.
Adena Friedman: As these companies become public, we look forward to helping them navigate the public markets, from the initial listings process to corporate governance, IR, and sustainability reporting needs.
Adena Friedman: Finally, financial institutions across the global economy face complex risks, changes in regulatory regimes, and new trading opportunities, which are driving strong demand for our Financial Technology Division's suite of solutions.
Adena Friedman: Whether it is keeping up with rapid technological advancements, meeting the changing and divergent needs of regulators across the globe, or protecting the integrity of the financial institution systems against financial crime.
Adena Friedman: Clients will continue to turn to trusted partners to help them navigate complexity through technology-first solutions. And we remain well-positioned to be that partner for them throughout any environment.
Adena Friedman: The new administration enters the White House signaling a more business-friendly pro-growth agenda in the U.S. We believe this will unlock capital and liquidity to the benefit of companies, financial institutions, and markets.
Adena Friedman: As it relates to the regulatory environment governing our clients, we're supportive of the traction that is gaining around smart, well-calibrated regulation.
Adena Friedman: To wrap up, 2024 was a strong year in which we further advanced the evolution of NASDAQ as a leading partner to the global financial system.
Adena Friedman: Across the organization, we executed our strategic priorities, delivered on our key growth objectives, and achieved our synergy in deleveraging goals ahead of target.
Adena Friedman: As we enter 2025, we're delivering on our strategy and remain confident in our ability to achieve our medium-term outlook. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Sarah to provide more details on our financial results and outlook for 2025.
Sarah Youngwood: Thank you, Adena, and good morning, everyone. Starting with annual results on slide 11 of the earnings presentation.
Sarah Youngwood: Net revenue of $4.7 billion was up 9%, with solutions revenue of $3.6 billion up 10%, and representing 77% of total revenue, an increase of 1 percentage point.
Four-year divisional growth rates were consistent with our expectations.
Sarah Youngwood: Operating expense was 2.162 billion dollars up 6% in line with guidance for a 54% operating margin and 56% EBITDA margin.
both of which were up by over one percentage point.
Sarah Youngwood: This resulted in net income of $1.6 billion and diluted EPS of $2.82.
Moving to quarterly results on slide 12.
Sarah Youngwood: We reported net revenue of $1.2 billion up 10%, with solutions revenue of $949 million up 9%.
Sarah Youngwood: Operating expense was $556 million up 6%, resulting in an operating margin of 55% up two percentage points, and an EBITDA margin of 57% up by over one percentage point.
Sarah Youngwood: Slide 13 shows the drivers of our 9% net revenue growth for the year and our 10% net revenue growth for the quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: We generated seven percentage points of alpha for the year and six percentage points for the quarter, driven by new and existing clients as well as product innovation.
partially offset by lower market share in market services.
Sarah Youngwood: Overall, beta factors contributed two percentage points of growth this year and four percentage points for the quarter, driven by higher valuations in NASDAQ indices and higher overall volumes in market services.
Sarah Youngwood: Please note that our alpha analysis is conservative, as it includes on and off exchange trading.
Sarah Youngwood: If we had done the analysis with market share of on-exchange volumes only, alpha would have been 7% for the quarter and for the year.
Sarah Youngwood: Lastly, and as shown on slide 14, we had ARR growth of seven and a half percent.
with SAS revenue growth of 14 percent.
Sarah Youngwood: SAS as a percentage of AR also increased two percentage points to 37% compared to year-end 2023.
Let's review division results starting on slide 15.
Sarah Youngwood: In Capital Access Platforms, we delivered 4-year revenue growth of 10%, with quarterly revenue of $511 million, up 11%, and with AR growth of 3%.
Sarah Youngwood: Data on listings revenue growth for the year was 1%, with quarterly revenue up 2% and ARR up 1%.
Sarah Youngwood: Quarterly revenue was driven by higher data sales and usage, new listings, and pricing.
Sarah Youngwood: This was partially offset by delisting and downgrades and lower amortization of prior-period initial listing fees.
Sarah Youngwood: As you recall, we expected a year-on-year revenue headwind of $3 million related to the amortization of prior-period initial listing fees.
Sarah Youngwood: This started in the third quarter of 2024 and was expected to last for four quarters. Two are done and we are in line with expectations. We are on track for the next two quarters at three million dollars.
Sarah Youngwood: After that, we expect the impact to fall to roughly two million dollars in the third quarter and one million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2025.
Separately, we saw an improvement in delisting in 2024.
Sarah Youngwood: versus 2023 and expect the related year-over-year revenue headwind to moderate from 10 million dollars per quarter in 2024 to 8 million dollars in each quarter of 2025.
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Sarah Youngwood: Index revenue was up 31% for the four years and up 29% in the quarter with more than half of the quarterly revenue growth driven by alpha factors.
primarily from strong net inflows contributing to higher asset-based revenue.
Sarah Youngwood: ECP-IAUM included 80 billion dollars of net inflows in the last 12 months including 28 billion in the fourth quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: Net inflows together with market performance resulted in record average ETP AUM of $632 billion, up almost $200 billion year-over-year.
Sarah Youngwood: In workflow and insights, revenue was up 4% for the year and the quarter, with ARL growth of 4% as well.
Sarah Youngwood: The increase in the portfolio revenue was driven by analytics, many investments, with continued growth in demand from asset managers, asset owners, and consultants.
Sarah Youngwood: New Influence sales were up 11% for the year, with four-year growth retention up two percentage points.
Sarah Youngwood: The broader corporate solutions environment remains unchanged, with revenue up 1% in the quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: 4-year operating margin was 58% with quarterly operating margin of 57%, both of which were up 3 percentage points.
Sarah Youngwood: excluding a one-time benefit of index of 16 million dollars from a legal settlement. Fully operating margin would have been 57% up two percentage points.
Sarah Youngwood: As a reminder, as we enter 2025, our contracted rate associated with trading of future contracts will reset, as it does every year. It will increase once we cross the specific volume threshold, which will likely occur sometime in the first half of the year.
Sarah Youngwood: Now looking ahead to 2025 performance more broadly across the Capital Access Platform Division.
Sarah Youngwood: Our current expectation is for four-year revenue growth to be within its medium-term growth outlook range of five to 8%.
within the division.
Sarah Youngwood: Data on listings activity is improving, but listing revenue remains negatively impacted by delisting and amortization factors.
Sarah Youngwood: As such, we continue to expect data and listings to grow within our medium-term outlook of low single digits in 2025.
Sarah Youngwood: Index continues to generate strong alpha given its very favorable positioning and additional growth opportunities.
Sarah Youngwood: We expect to go above our medium-term outlook of mid- to high-single digits in 2025.
Sarah Youngwood: Recall that index revenue in the first quarter of 2024 included a $16 million one-time revenue benefit related to a legal settlement.
Sarah Youngwood: We exclude this item from our adjusted growth rates, and we'll discuss our growth and any comparisons to the medium-term outlook on that adjusted basis, excluding that item.
Sarah Youngwood: Finally, as a result of continued beta headwinds in corporate solutions, which will take time to ease even with stronger issuance environment, we expect workflow and insight scores to be below its medium-term outlook of high single to low double digits in 2025.
Moving to financial technology on slide 16.
Sarah Youngwood: Total division revenue for the year grew 10% and revenue for the quarter was up 7% to $438 million with ARR growth of 12%.
Sarah Youngwood: The difference between quarterly revenue growth and AR growth in FinTech is driven by professional services fees and the impact of lower Calypso on-prem subscription revenue due to timing and a top count in the fourth quarter of 2023.
Sarah Youngwood: Meanwhile, ARR growth remained solid across the subdivisions, with strong client momentum, including the benefit of 120 new clients, 127 upsells, and 4 cross-sells in the quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: On cross-sales, our campaigns are resonating with clients, as we achieved 11 cross-sales in 2024.
Sarah Youngwood: Cross-sell opportunities now account for over 15% of the financial technology division pipeline.
including several deals in advanced stages.
Sarah Youngwood: As we close these deals, we will no longer count them in our pipeline, which can create quarter-over-quarter viability in this metric.
Sarah Youngwood: However, over the coming years, we expect our cross-sale pipeline mix generally to average at or above 10%, which is a level that positions us to exceed our $100 million run rate cross-sale revenue target by the end of 2027.
Thank you.
Sarah Youngwood: Financial crime management technology revenue increased 22% for both the year and the quarter, with ARR growth of 23%.
Sarah Youngwood: and with 102 new clients and one cross-sell with a Tier 1 client in the quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: Net revenue retention was a hundred and fourteen percent, reflecting strong client engagement stemming from new product enhancements such as the GenAI entity research copilot and targeted typology analytics.
Sarah Youngwood: Regulatory technology revenue increased 7% for the year and 6% for the quarter with AR growth of 11% as well as 9 new client wins and 64 upsells.
Sarah Youngwood: ActumSL Revenue grew 7% for the year and 5% for the quarter with two new client wins and 28 upsells. And Surveillance grew revenue 6% for the year and 7% for the quarter, aided by 7 new clients and 36 upsells.
Sarah Youngwood: The delta between ARR and revenue was due to softer professional services revenues, which should improve in 2025 based on signed deals in 2024.
Sarah Youngwood: Capital Markets Technology delivered 8% revenue growth for the year and 4% for the quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: ARR grew 9% with 9 new clients, 63 upsells, and 3 cross-sells in the quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: with a cross-sell activity driven by continued client demand for market modernization.
Sarah Youngwood: Calypso for your revenue was up 17% and up 1% in the quarter with 4 new client wins and 39 up sales.
Sarah Youngwood: with the difference between the two revenue growth rates driven by deal timing.
Sarah Youngwood: Together, Trade Management Services and Market Technology has five new clients, 24 up sales, and three cross sales in a quarter.
Sarah Youngwood: Combined revenue was up 3% for the year and 7% for the quarter.
Speaker Change: The quarterly revenue growth was primarily driven by strong growth in trade management services.
Speaker Change: mainly due to meeting additional capacity demands via our recent data center expansion.
Speaker Change: Looking forward, we expect improved professional services revenue in 2025 due to new clients for Calisio and market technology implementation signed in 2024, and we are starting the year with a strong proportion of signed engagements.
Adena Friedman Sarah Youngwood
Speaker Change: Combined XMSL and Calypso revenue increased 13% for the year and 2% for the quarter with AR growth of 12%.
Speaker Change: We continue to drive the cloud journey of these businesses forward with cloud bookings as a percentage of new ATVs coming in at 52% for the year and 60% for the quarter.
Ato Garrett: As Ato noted in the opening remarks, we will be reporting Axiomacel and Calypso within the consolidated results of their respective subdivisions going forward, and we expect combined Axiomacel and Calypso to perform within their medium-term outlook for 2025.
Ato Garrett: Four-year financial technology operating margin was 47% up one percentage point and with quarterly operating margin flat at 49%.
Ato Garrett: Looking ahead at our growth expectations for financial technology for 2025.
Ato Garrett: We expect the division to grow within its medium trauma outlook of 10 to 14 percent.
Ato Garrett: with financial crime management technology at the low end of its range of mid-20s, regulatory technology at the high end of its range of high single to low double digits, and with capital markets technology within its range of high single to low double digits.
Wrapping up the divisions with market services on site 17.
Ato Garrett: We had net revenue growth of 4% for the year and 12% for the quarter at $268 million.
Ato Garrett: The strong quarterly net revenue growth benefited firms. An increase in U.S. derivatives revenue, primarily due to record volumes and strong index options revenue growth,
Ato Garrett: Hire U.S. cash equities revenue from higher volume, capture, and market share available on exchange trading volume.
Ato Garrett: as well as how you capture in European cash equities and derivatives.
Ato Garrett: with these factors partially upset by a market-wide shift of U.S. cash equities volumes off exchange and a decline in U.S. state plan revenue.
Ato Garrett: Four-year market services operating margin was down one percentage point to 59% with quarterly operating margin of 59% up one percentage point.
Ato Garrett: excluding the one-time payment of roughly seven and a half million dollars that benefited market services in the fourth quarter of 2023.
Ato Garrett: and is excluded from the adjusted numbers, 4-year operating margin would have been flat and 4-year operating margin would have been up 2 percentage points.
Ato Garrett: Moving to expenses on slide 18. We had operating expenses of 2.162 billion dollars for the year of 6%.
Ato Garrett: driven by strong investments in technology and people to support revenue and drive innovation and growth.
Employee-related cost increases
Are there increases largely due to inflation?
Ato Garrett: as well as close to one percentage point of regulatory and people-related costs, which we don't expect to reoccur.
Ato Garrett: half of which I will come back to in just a moment.
Ato Garrett: This resulted in an annual operating margin and EBITDA margin both up more than one percentage point versus the prior year.
Regarding Net Expense Synergies
Ato Garrett: We have actioned over 100% of the $80 million target we announced in relation to the acquisition of Adenza.
Ato Garrett: We are now expanding this program to 140 million dollars including the 80 million dollars already actioned.
Ato Garrett: This one-way cost reduction will be actioned by the end of 2025.
Ato Garrett: This is an increase of 75% in the same two-year timeframe as we now include the entire firm and will capture all the run rate efficiencies including the impact of AI.
Ato Garrett: As part of the expanded program, we expect related costs to achieve to be $140 million, with $72 million incurred to date through the end of the fourth quarter.
Ato Garrett: The program has already reduced 2024 expense goals by two and a half percentage points. Two percentage points for Adenza and 50 basis points related to the program expansion.
Ato Garrett: It is expected to reduce 2025 expense growth by two percentage points with a tail mostly in 2026.
Ato Garrett: As always, you should expect that we will continue to reinvest a portion of these efficiencies into investments to support our growth.
Ato Garrett: With this in mind, we are introducing our Non-Gap Expense Guidance for the year of $2.245 to $2.325 billion.
Ato Garrett: This guidance range reflects a non-GAAP organic growth rate of 6% at the midpoint.
Ato Garrett: and as mentioned it includes a roughly two percentage point benefit from the expanded efficiency program.
Ato Garrett: Our 2025 guidance uses average 2024 FX rates as its foundation and does not reflect the benefits from the recent post-election strengthening of the dollar that has partly retrenched over the last few days.
Ato Garrett: We expect the 2025 non-GAAP tax rate between 22.5% and 24.5% in line with the prior expectation we had set.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Turning to capital allocation on slide 19.
Ato Garrett: Nasdaq generated pre-cash flow of approximately 1.6 billion dollars in the year, including 439 million dollars in the fourth quarter.
Ato Garrett: We repaid $815 million in debt in 2024, including about $180 million in the fourth quarter, which we repurchased opportunistically.
Ato Garrett: With that, we ended the year with a gross leverage of 3.6 times.
Ato Garrett: In 2024, we paid dividends of $0.94 per share, or $541 million, including $0.24, or $138 million in full-cue, representing a 34% annualized payout ratio.
Ato Garrett: We repurchased 2.3 million shares of our common stock for roughly $145 million in the year, offsetting Employee H1, with no repurchases in the fourth quarter.
Ato Garrett: We remain focused on reducing our leverage and expect to reach a 3.3 times gross leverage ratio before the end of 2025.
while repurchasing shares to offset employee compensation-related dilution.
Ato Garrett: We will remain opportunistic regarding any additional share or debt repurchases.
Ato Garrett: In 2024, we set ambitious objectives, and I want to thank the full NASDAQ team for executing against them.
I am proud of our accomplishments in the years.
We delivered on our growth ambition.
Ato Garrett: We closed on a number of landmark client wins. We made progress with our cross-sell target. We identified incremental cost efficiencies, and we executed against an accelerated deleveraging timeline.
Ato Garrett: All of this reinforces my confidence in our growth story and our ability to deliver value to our clients and shareholders in 2025 and beyond. With that, let's open the line to Q&A.
Thank you.
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Speaker Change: And I assure our first question comes from the line of Alexander Blothain from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hi, good morning everybody. Thank you. Thank you for the question. I wanted to start with your outlook on workflow and insights Obviously, it's a business that has been growing a little bit slower Presumably gets better with cross-selling once the listing business starts to pick up a bit and there's sort of positive Synergies with the rest of the franchise Can you help us maybe just bridge how you go from this kind of low to mid single-digit range? Back to your targets, which which seems to be still kind of ways off. Thanks
Speaker Change: Great, thanks Alex. Um, yeah, as you mentioned, the corporate solutions business has had a lot of effects from a slower issuance environment.
Speaker Change: as well as, as we talked about, the delisting environment that we've been operating in over the last couple of years.
Speaker Change: And we do, you know, what we've been focused on is making sure that we're continuing to innovate within the suite so that as the buying behaviors become more normalized.
Speaker Change: We would expect that we have great products, we're very well positioned competitively.
Speaker Change: It's just a matter of making sure that we have an environment where the buyers are in a position to be able to purchase our solutions. So it's both the IPO environment, moderating of the delisting environment, and then also, as you've noticed, the index performance and the growth of earnings across different sectors of the economy have been more towards, I would say, larger companies. And we have thousands of companies that use our solutions.
up.
Speaker Change: We do actually believe that that also will drive more earnings potential for the broader economy and that also will support more of a sales activity within that particular part of our business. Now, in analytics, we're actually really excited about everything that's happening across what I call the investment side, the investor audience within our Workflow Insights solutions, and most notably investment, which is our biggest product.
Speaker Change: You know, we had a couple of years where we were focused more on product enhancements and integrating some great data into the platform. We now have this incredible suite of solutions there, and we're growing at the high single digits with the investment, and we expect that to continue to be a great grower for us. So we do think that'll be helpful also in driving the overall growth rate of that part of the division up.
in the coming years.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I assure our next question comes from the line of Craig Seigensauer from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Thanks. Good morning, everyone.
Speaker Change: So, our question is on the potential for large-scale deregulation of the U.S. financial services industry.
Speaker Change: under the Trump administration. And we understand you can't put the genie back in the bottle on many businesses like Prop and Merchant Banking, but Axiom was seeing strong tailwinds from more regulations like Basel III Endgame. So if there is a reversal in bank regulations, how should this impact client demand for Axiom's offering and your RegTech growth trajectory, just given its core clients are banks?
Yeah, well, first of all, I think
Speaker Change: We just remind everyone that our XMSL business is a global business. It serves banks all over the world. We've been opening new markets, as we mentioned, in India, France, Philippines, and other parts of the world.
We have a great pipeline of opportunities
Speaker Change: And as we've been engaging with US clients, they are dealing with a changing regulatory environment, but one that still is an environment that requires a lot of solutions to help them manage
Speaker Change: regulations. So, we see really strong demand for the product. I think that we, as we gave you, the regulatory technology subdivision within financial technology is at the, we expect it to be at the high end of our range in 2025.
Speaker Change: And so, you know, I think that we just, we feel highly confident that we have a solution that meets a lot of different needs across different regulatory landscapes.
Speaker Change: One thing, just a point of fact, just to help you understand the nature of the business within Axiom S.L.
Speaker Change: 69% of the revenue comes from non-U.S. banks, 31% comes from U.S. banks.
Speaker Change: Oh, I'm sorry, that's across the DENSA. That's both Calypso and Axiomacelle. So let me say it again. So US clients represent 31% of the revenues of the Calypso and Axiomacelle businesses.
and 69% come from non-U.S. banks.
Speaker Change: We just feel very confident in the way that we see the engagements with our clients. I would look also brought more broadly at financial technology. As we think about it, we think okay, if you have a, an environment where more capital can be kept within the banks,
Speaker Change: They can then deploy that capital into the markets that drives liquidity across global markets It drives demand for our technology among global markets as they prepare for and are prepared to be able to accept that liquidity
Speaker Change: We also, if banks are suddenly in a growth mode, they're going to be going into new asset classes and new geographies, and that drives demand for Eclipsa solutions. So, we have a lot of opportunities for growth across the franchise in different regulatory environments.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I assure our next question comes from the line of Patrick Moley from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: Diving into financial technology again, you gave an outlook for where you kind of expected to fall.
within the range of the three businesses within that segment.
Speaker Change: So where do you think that that leaves us for the full year in terms of the overall 10 to 14% growth rate for the full for the full segment? And then on financial crime?
Speaker Change: management. I believe you said that you expected that to come in at the lower end, so maybe you could just talk about some of the drivers there.
Speaker Change: Thanks. Sure. Yeah. Actually, I'll start with that and then I'll talk about the overall FinTech division. So within the financial crime management business,
Speaker Change: We did a great job again this year of expanding our client base. We had a 211 new clients sign up for the solution. We had another tier one bank.
Speaker Change: take our sign with us in the Q4. We have a really nice pipeline of tier one banks that are in stages of our sales cycle, including completing POCs and other things.
So, but as we've talked about in the past.
Speaker Change: and we talked about this at Investor Day. The mid-double digits growth rate is supported by three pillars of growth. So the first is within the small to medium banks. And again, we signed 210 of those. So we're really, really excited about that, or 211 for the year. And then, and that's kind of the basis of our business today. But as we expand, a growing part of our growth is gonna come from those tier one banks, tier two banks.
Speaker Change: We now have five of those clients. We have an opportunity to expand those client relationships, and we are in talks with expansion plans.
Speaker Change: We have, as I mentioned, a nice, healthy pipeline of additional clients there, but it takes time for those deals to manifest and show up in the financial performance, and so we're still very early innings there.
Speaker Change: and then global expansion. So that's the third pillar. And we just announced our move into Europe. We have several banks lining up for POCs with us in 2025. And so that, again, will play out to support that mid-double-digit growth rate.
Speaker Change: But those things are still in the early innings. I just want to remind everyone that, you know, half of the SAM, half of the serviceable addressable market in financial crime management is in this tier one and tier two banks. So as we expand there, that gives us a lot of opportunity to continue to have healthy growth, but we're still in early innings. And so as we look at 2025,
Speaker Change: Similar to 2024, we see ourselves coming in at the low end of our of our outlook range, but we're extremely excited about all the progress in the business.
Speaker Change: And then more holistically for FinTech, if we don't give you a...
Speaker Change: a specific view as to how we see the year playing out, but we do expect that FinTech will be within the range of the 10 to 14 percent.
Speaker Change: And, you know, obviously we have a lot of, we have, I would have to say we had a lot of great sales in 2024. We're going into the year.
Speaker Change: with a really good line of sight into a large portion of our business growth. But the year changes as we go through the year, so we maintain our view that it will be within the outlook.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I share our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Budish from Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hi, good morning and thanks for taking the question. Just following back up maybe on Alex's first question on workflow insights, I guess given your sort of optimism in the IPO pipeline, can you talk a little bit about the kind of conversion rate or what the timing looks like in terms of getting new sort of listed companies using some of those software solutions? And I'm just curious, it sounds like a lot of optimism around some of the policies from the new administration, but the tone is clearly more negative on things like ESG and sustainability. And so as it regards your ESG solution, any sort of change in outlook there? Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Thanks. So, I would say that the corporate solutions part of workflow and insights, which is the focus area of your question,
Speaker Change: That business is a bit of a lagging indicator, you know, lagging behind the IPO environment. So
Speaker Change: When companies decide to go public, they do need solutions. We provide them a package as part of their IPO to introduce them to our solutions, but also to help them mature as public companies in IR and ESG reporting. And so we then have a period of time where we offer those solutions complimentary, and then they will convert into, hopefully as we do a great job, convert into paying clients.
Speaker Change: But we also have the opportunity during that time to upsell them on additional solutions within our suite. And so it does, you know, we would like to see a nice, healthy, sustainable IPO environment.
Speaker Change: We definitely are seeing a moderation of delistings. That'll help. But it will take some time for that business to recover into a more normalized growth rate.
Speaker Change: and then looking at specifically into ESG, what we've seen is actually a change in the demand structure. Those solutions still are a small part of our overall workflow and insights business.
Speaker Change: But we are seeing the demand more coming from Europe and other parts of the world, as well as from global companies that operate in Europe because of the new disclosure obligations. And so that just that I would say the demand curve has changed a little bit more towards non-U.S.
Speaker Change: companies and non-U.S. operations, but that does mean we still have good opportunities across that business. And, you know, we'll continue to evaluate that as we see different policies develop in the United States.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And our next question comes from the line of Michael Cho from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Michael Cho: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I want to just touch on the regulatory topic as well, but just kind of under a slightly different lens. Adena, you kind of previously discussed in the past about
Michael Cho: lightening the burden or the regulatory burden on public companies and making that option much more attractive. You've indicated some optimism in engaging the new administration around some of these efforts. So, I mean, just for our context, can you just remind us and talk through some of the areas where we might see some of your efforts or just kind of general progress first?
Thank you.
Michael Cho: Well, we've actually had a pretty steady drumbeat of engagement with regulatory agencies, but we are actually quite optimistic that we have an administration that is listening and listening hard to what can they do to unlock growth in the country, what can they do to create sustainable growth in the country.
Michael Cho: and part of that is making sure that the public markets are working really, really well. I just want to remind everyone, we've been evaluating this, but there's about $112 trillion of investable capital in public markets around the world.
Michael Cho: And that's as of the end of 23, about $15 trillion in the private market. So the public markets really do, really drive.
Michael Cho: drive the economies. And as we think about the life of a public company, there are elements of it that are persistent, you know, so you have
Michael Cho: Early earnings like we're having this morning. You have disclosures that are relevant and important for investors to understand
Michael Cho: But then you also have other elements, and I would say that the proxy process
We think that some of the accounting policies and PCAOB
Speaker Change: They took a very draconian approach in the last administration, and we see some opportunities there to make it more balanced.
Speaker Change: And then if we could have our way across everything, we would also look at litigation reform as a key element of improving the environment for public companies. Those are three core things that we also would say. And then the last thing I would say is making sure that there is disclosure to the public companies.
Speaker Change: on what's happening in their stock. I think that we've got the 13 Fs for long positions, but is there something similar for short positions in terms of giving companies better information and understanding of their investor base? So all of those things are areas that we're gonna be discussing, engaging with the government to see what their priorities are and see if we can make some progress.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I assure you our next question comes from the line of Dan Fannin from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Dan Fannin: Great. Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to get a comment around professional service fees, what they were as a total within the financial, within FinTech. And then as you look going forward, you talked about, I think, momentum in the business, particularly in the reg tech in terms of new implementation. So could you talk about the outlook for professional service fees as we think about 2025?
Speaker Change: Yeah, so I don't know if we give a specific breakout. I'm looking at Sarah. We don't give us a specific breakout of the professional services fees, but just as a reminder that we're a software product business. You know, we want to deliver software. We want to deliver those products and we wanted them delivered well.
Speaker Change: So, we see professional services as a means to an end, meaning we want to deliver them, we have obviously put a great deal of effort into delivering those.
We do also work with partners.
Speaker Change: But we also want to get rewarded for the work we're doing to make sure those implementations go well.
Speaker Change: As we think about 2024 and the dynamics in 2024, there are a few things.
oftentimes professional services revenues are follow sales.
Oh, it makes sense.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I think that in general, as we look at the sales that occurred in 2023, going into 2024, and then projects that were ongoing in 2023 and 2024, as we've been mentioning all year, we had some downward pressure in the professional services revenues in 24, both on the fact that we had a very large implementation in market tech in 23 that drove up revenues.
Speaker Change: that did not repeat in 24 as we completed that deal.
Speaker Change: We had, I would say, a sales environment that had lower professional services revenues coming in, particularly for our Axioma cell solutions in 2024. But as we've seen the sales environment in 2024 manifest itself and going into 2025, both in market tech.
Speaker Change: with nine new commitments for existing clients and other new clients coming in as well as for Axiom SL. Really good sales here in Axiom SL.
Speaker Change: We actually see upward mobility or upward trajectory of professional services in 2025 that supports
Speaker Change: the outlook that Sarah gave you in terms of where the revenues will come out and within the ranges that we mentioned. And actually, we did give we did give some disclosure about Adenza when we acquired Adenza saying that professional services fees were about
Speaker Change: 20% of the Adenza revenues, and just over, I would say just over 10% of overall FinTech revenues, just so you know what the disclosures are.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I assure our next question comes from the line of Owen Lau from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my question.
So I have a question about your CapMod GetsTag ALR.
Speaker Change: It came down from 12% last quarter to 9%. It also drove your FinTech ARR down for the quarter. What was the drive of that decline? Is it the professional services fee we talk about? And then what does it take to re-accelerate that ARR in 2025?
Thanks a lot.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Owen. So, with regard to ARR, there were some year-over-year comps on that, just because fourth quarter of 2023 was a very strong sales quarter for Calypso in particular.
Speaker Change: And so we had some, I would just say, year-over-year differential. And then the second thing is just that we, you know, there's a lot of timing related to deal signings, deal closings that drive ARR. And also, by the way, you know, what we look at is ARR itself does not include any sort of ramps that we have in contracts. So that also would reflect just the ARR upon signing as opposed to the long-term ARR potential of a contract.
Speaker Change: So I think some of that is also kind of reflected in the fact that different
different growth rates.
Speaker Change: But as we, as Sarah mentioned, we do expect that the Acumacel and Calypso combined
Speaker Change: ARR growth should be within the medium-term outlook range of the mid-teens.
Speaker Change: and that overall for FinTech that we should be within the range that we've provided on ARR. So we do feel like we have a really strong opportunity for us to continue to direct growth across the franchise, but in this quarter we had some downward pressure.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I show our next question, comes from the line of Michael Sippers from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Michael Sippers: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to ask about AI with the DeepSeek advancement. Just curious how you see that impacting your business in terms of potential for faster generative AI product innovation and development, potentially at a lower cost, and how you see that potentially impacting the competitive landscape over time. And more broadly, maybe you could just update us on some of the steps you're going to be taking here at 25 to move NASDAQ forward with generative AI advances. Thank you.
Yeah, no, I love that question.
Michael Sippers: So, first of all, I would just say we have a, we've essentially put a platform together within NASDAQ leveraging our cloud providers that allow us to use multiple models. So we use both proprietary models and open source models today. What we do is when we think about a new capability we want to deliver through our products,
Michael Sippers: will test out different models to see which ones provide us the best solutions at the most efficient cost structure. And so first and foremost, it has to be which one's best.
Michael Sippers: at delivering what we're looking for. And then the second thing is then a cost consideration. But I would say the cost curve has come, I mean, the cost of AI, generative AI, has already come down a lot.
Michael Sippers: It's been quite dramatic, and so we already feel like there's a lot of efficiencies starting to come into the different models. The second thing is, we are open to different models. We have a lot of governance around that, but we do approve models.
Michael Sippers: through our governance structure, and we have access to multiple models. And the third thing is we are really embedding AI, Gen AI capabilities into our product roadmap.
Michael Sippers: and we're reviewing those product roadmaps very frequently so that we know that we're bringing new capabilities to clients. So just a few to mention, and we've got the, as you mentioned, the AI, the Gen AI research entity co-pilot within the anti-financial crime business, but now we're implementing that in our surveillance business.
Michael Sippers: We have actually the ability to do something similar in terms of auto generation of regulatory reports in Axiom.
Michael Sippers: We have our board portal summary, board book summaries within our board portal tool.
Michael Sippers: We have other capabilities we're bringing to investment, in terms of summarizing board minutes and other things from pension boards. So, there's so many different ways that we're deploying the technology for the benefit of customers.
Michael Sippers: And for the most part, we're basically doing it in a way that really improves the value of the product overall, improves the return on investment that clients are getting.
Michael Sippers: So as we talk through different renewal cycles, we can show them that incremental value in terms of part of our contract value, and it's driving up retention so that we are differentiating our solutions more successfully, which will drive up retention. So we see it as a general lift.
Sarah Youngwood: and we are just getting started, I have to say. Now, within NASDAQ, as Sarah mentioned, we're also deploying the technology internally across our development teams, our client success teams, marketing.
Sarah Youngwood: so that we can actually be more efficient and effective in product development and client success. So that's where that that kind of upgraded program that Sarah mentioned does include some AI efficiencies that we expect to generate this year.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I assure you our next question comes from the line of Jeff Schmidt from William Blair. Please go ahead.
Jeff Schmidt: Hi, good morning. On the Proprietary Index Options business, revenues doubled during the year. Could you discuss what your plans are for that business and sort of whether you're looking to increase investments and focus there over time?
Speaker Change: Yeah, what's great about that business is it gets to leverage the broader exchange franchise that we have, obviously, so we can be very efficient in investing in that business and driving return.
Speaker Change: But we are very focused on it. In fact, Tal and Kevin and Greg and team
Speaker Change: We're meeting regularly to understand new ways that we can build new products, bring more capabilities to our clients and grow the ecosystem. Because you've got both institutional investors.
Speaker Change: that you really want to draw into those Prop Index products.
Speaker Change: as well as retail. We have gotten our Prop Index products now on major retail investing platforms, including Robinhood, and then we also are driving institutional adoption of those products by integrating those products into different data tools that they use to make investment decisions.
Speaker Change: So, and then as our index business goes more into the institutional audience in terms of insurance.
Speaker Change: and other institutional clients, that then drives demand for options trading and hedging capabilities that we can use our products for.
Speaker Change: I have to say, it's kind of a virtuous cycle that's developing there, and we're really, really excited about how we can continue to drive the NDX franchise, but then also bring new products onto that business as well.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And actually our next question comes from the line of Ashish Sabhadra from RBC. Please go ahead.
Ashish Sabhadra: Thanks for taking my question. If I can ask just two clarifying modeling questions. One is on ARR versus revenue growth, we saw some differential there in 24. Anything to be cognizant of as we get into 25? And then just on the expense side with that expanded synergies, which gets actioned in 2025, how can we think about those benefiting 25 on a quarterly cadence basis? Any kind of that will be helpful. Thanks.
Sarah Youngwood: Okay, I'll have Sarah answer the question on the expense side, and even on the AR revenue versus AR, why don't you just take that, Sarah? Yes, on the AR versus revenue, you have two things that are factors. Professional services fees is a theme throughout FinTech.
Sarah Youngwood: and that affects really all of the metrics especially in the fourth quarter. In terms of the second element and that's specifically for the fourth quarter you've got Calypso which has both so this is on-prem revenue recognition for Calypso where you have the combination of a top comp
Speaker Change: in 4Q23, and then the timing during the year being different in 2024 versus in 2023.
Speaker Change: So those are the elements of the first question. In terms of the second question, what I have mentioned is that we have benefits that are really accruing very fast into the expenses. So 2.5% of growth in 2024 are coming from this expanded efficiency program. And that number becomes 2% that's contributing to lowering the growth rate.
Speaker Change: 2025 versus 2024 for expense, and then there is a tail that's mostly in 2026.
Speaker Change: We're not going to provide you a quarterly view into that. I think it's something that we're going to continue to drive throughout 2020-2025. And I think you mentioned, though, that there's a tail in 2026. So it's largely a tail in 2026.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: And I assure our next question comes from the line of Alex Cram from UBS. Please go ahead.
Alex Cram: Yes, hey, good morning everyone. Just wanted to come back to FinTech for a second here. I know a lot of focus on the regulatory
Alex Cram: direction. I think the one other thing people are talking about a lot of financial services changing is maybe a pickup and bank M&A. So maybe you can just talk about that, obviously, a primary customer base for you. And I understand
Alex Cram: that maybe those banks get bigger and they actually get more sophisticated. So it could be good longer term, but maybe add regulatory in this as well. But when you have a lot of these uncertainties, sometimes there's a little bit of paralysis.
Speaker Change: So just wondering if we should be expecting any sort of lengthening of sales cycles as it comes to selling to this end market, just because these companies don't know what's gonna happen next, both in regulatory and on the M&A side. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah, well, I think, first of all, Bank M&A in the past, you know, in prior
Speaker Change: in, let's say, decades past, has been, you know, relatively, it's been, I've heard at least on average somewhere around 4% of banks kind of merge in the United States over a normalized period of time. But most of that M&A occurs at the very low, the small end of the spectrum of banks.
Speaker Change: And so, as we think about M&A in, you know, four banks going forward,
Speaker Change: If two smaller banks merge into, let's say, a mid-sized bank,
Speaker Change: and they have more assets. If they have more assets, they get to a different pricing tier within the contracts. And so that's kind of baked into the contractual.
Speaker Change: Let's say two banks merge and one's already a client and one's not, it gives us a huge opportunity to go in and make sure that they use our solution across the combined bank. And I do think that our solution is very differentiated, and so we feel very good about the ability to go in and win that combined bank.
Speaker Change: Now at the higher end and you get like two mid-sized banks who become a bigger bank That's just an opportunity for us, you know Because a lot of times they may not be in the same have the same regulatory obligations
Speaker Change: and then suddenly they do. They have new regulatory obligations. That obviously gives us an opportunity to come in with our regulatory reporting capabilities.
Speaker Change: but more sophisticated risk management, including treasury risk management and capital risk management.
Speaker Change: And so we do have, we see that as a sales opportunity. I think at the largest end of the spectrum, that those will still be very unusual and not that frequent. And, you know, we'll manage those as we see them. But I think it's really the general view is gonna be small to mid and mid to large. And we see those as net opportunities.
In terms of
Speaker Change: paralysis, though, you know, we were, you know, we, first of all, as you know, sales cycles are always kind of long in this space because of its banks. But, but, but I would say that we're seeing a very healthy dialogue. We have a lot of opportunities around the world. And even if one or two sales gets slowed down, we still have a lot of other opportunities to pursue. So we're not, we're not concerned so much about that, Alex.
Thank you.
And I show our last question.
Speaker Change: comes from the line of Brian Bedell from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Brian Bedell: Oh, great. Thanks. Thanks. Good morning, folks. Thanks for squeezing me in. I just wanted to go back to slide 8, the sales metrics within Fintech. They look very strong in the fourth quarter versus the 2024 quarterly trends and also versus the third quarter. So just trying to get a sense of to what extent that might be seasonal or you actually do see improving momentum in 2025 on those metrics and then what could that portend.
even a stronger ARR growth rate into into 26.
Brian Bedell: Yeah, so so Q4 is always our seasonal high sales sales quarter
Brian Bedell: And so that is a consistent thing, both in anti-financial crime as well as in CLPSO and XMSL.
Brian Bedell: I would say that Q4 is always going to be the biggest quarter, but we are also seeing strong trends. So the engagement with clients is excellent and it obviously carries us into 2025, but I would say you should expect that Q4 will always be the high quarter.
Okay, thank you
Speaker Change: Thank you. This concludes our Q&A session. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Adena Friedman, President and CEO, for closing remarks.
Adena Friedman: All right. Well, thank you. As you heard this morning, NASDAQ continues to make progress on our strategic priorities and through our complementary and integrated solutions, NASDAQ is delivering consistent growth and accelerating our evolution as a trusted technology partner to the financial ecosystem. We look forward to keeping you updated on our strategic progress and thank you for joining and have a great day. Thank you.
Adena Friedman: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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