Q4 2024 Guaranty Bancshares Inc Earnings Call
Good morning. Welcome to Guarantee Bankshare's fourth quarter 2024 earnings call. My name is Nona Branch and I will be your operator for today's call. This call is being recorded.
Speaker Change: Our hosts for today's call will be Ty Abston, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Shalene Jacobson, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. To begin our call, I will now turn it over to our CEO, Ty Abston.
Ty Abston: Thank you, Nona. Good morning and welcome everyone to Guarantee Bank Share's fourth quarter earnings call. Our company had a good year in 2024 with prospects of an even stronger year in 25.
Ty Abston: I'm very proud of our whole team and our ability to continue to build and deepen strong relationships with our customers throughout our footprint in Texas. We see very positive trends across the board in our company and in every one of our markets.
Ty Abston: We are ending the year with very strong performance metrics. Our credit metrics, liquidity, capital, and earnings are all strong. We also have the capacity to grow a loan portfolio in the current year as we hopefully see increased opportunities.
Ty Abston: This capacity comes from our strong funding base of core deposits and the fact that we have good capacity in all of our lending buckets, as well as our overall strong liquidity position.
Ty Abston: We see the biggest opportunity for our company to build further shareholder value in the area of continued organic growth and as we further mature our expansion markets and our footprint throughout the state of Texas.
Ty Abston: This is going to remain our focus in the coming year.
Ty Abston: Additional organic growth of assets in our current platforms is very accretive to our shorter value for us long term.
Ty Abston: We also see a disconnect between our current stock price and what we feel is a fair market value of our company. So we also plan to utilize our strong capital position to much more aggressively buy back stock in the coming months.
Ty Abston: We are fortunate to be in some of the strongest markets in the country and have a very strong brand name and brand recognition within the state of Texas. And we're also the right size bank at $3 billion to handle almost any customer relationship, while at the same time being small enough to maintain a true community bank philosophy and focus.
Ty Abston: Again, I'm extremely proud of our team and the results our team produced this past year, and we're very excited about the current year. Now with this, I'm gonna turn it over to Shalene to go through our investor deck, and then we'll open it up to questions. Shalene.
Shalene Jacobson: Thanks, Ty. I'll kick it off this morning with the balance sheet.
Shalene Jacobson: Total assets were up about $19 million during the fourth quarter of 2024.
Shalene Jacobson: Our securities portfolio increased by nearly $56 million. However, that was offset by a decrease in cash balances of about $17 million. Our net loans were down $5 million. And we also sold an REO property that had a book value of $14 million during the quarter.
On the liability side, total deposits were up.
Shalene Jacobson: $23 million during the fourth quarter, but equity was down slightly because our net income of about $10 million
Shalene Jacobson: was offset by an increase in unrealized losses in the AFS securities portfolio of $8.1 million, and we also paid dividends of $2.7 million, or $0.24 per share, during the fourth quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: For the year, total assets were down about $69 million, primarily due to a smaller loan portfolio.
Shalene Jacobson: Loans decreased $191 million during the year that were partially replaced with securities, which increased $75 million, and by cash during the year, which increased $57 million.
Shalene Jacobson: Total deposits in 2024 increased $59 million, and we also paid down nearly $150 million in federal home loan bank advances and other borrowings.
Shalene Jacobson: Total equity increased during 2024 by $15.3 million, resulting primarily from our net income of $31.5 million. We had some stock options that exercised for about $2.3 million.
Shalene Jacobson: and that was offset by an increase in other comprehensive loss in the securities portfolio of $1.8 million. We also had stock repurchases of $6.4 million and we paid dividends during the year of $11 million or 96 cents per share.
Shalene Jacobson: On the income statement during the fourth quarter, the company earned 10 million in net income, which equates to 88 cents per basic share and is up from 65 cents in the length quarter, up from 51 cents in the fourth quarter of 2023.
Shalene Jacobson: Our earnings were largely boosted by an improvement in net interest income from the length in prior quarters. Non-interest income and expense also improved, which I'll discuss here in a minute.
Shalene Jacobson: And then total net income for the year was $31.5 million or $2.75 per basic share.
Shalene Jacobson: Our return on average assets was 1.2% for the quarter compared to 0.96% in the prior quarter. And our return on average equity was 12.68% for the quarter compared to 9.58% at the end of Q3.
Shalene Jacobson: Net interest margin improves quite a bit. It was 3.54% in the fourth quarter, which is an increase from 3.3% at the end of the third quarter and 3.11% during the same quarter last year.
Shalene Jacobson: As you all know, the Fed lowered rates by 50 basis points during the quarter, and we benefited from that on the cost of deposits, while our loan and securities portfolios continue to reprice upward.
Shalene Jacobson: The average yield on loans increased seven basis points to 6.42% during the quarter, while our ASF securities increased six basis points to 3.81% during the quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: The average rate of costing liabilities, however, decreased 27 basis points from 3.36 on September 30th to 3.09 at the end of Q4.
Shalene Jacobson: Non-interest income increased by $572,000 during the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: This is primarily due to a gain on sale of $467,000 that is included in other non-interest income on the income statement.
Shalene Jacobson: That gain is from the sale of the ORE property in Austin that had a book value of 14 million after we reserved 900,000 for that property back in the second quarter of 2024. So we recovered some of that allowance expense during the fourth quarter.
Non-interest expense.
Shalene Jacobson: decreased by 798,000 during the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: A large portion of the decrease was due to ORE folding costs.
Shalene Jacobson: of $371,000 in the third quarter that we did not have in the fourth quarter. So $371,000 of the decrease is from costs that we that we booked in the third quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: The remaining decrease resulted mostly from employee benefit costs declining. We're partially self-insured for healthcare, so the expense can fluctuate somewhat based on actual claims from our employees. And thankfully, we've had lower claims throughout the year, which meant lower approvals were needed during the quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: We also had some notable retirements of longtime senior employees here in the year and did not have any real growth in the number of employees, so that's resulted in lower salary and benefit costs overall.
All right, on to the loan portfolio and credit quality.
Shalene Jacobson: Loans decreased 5.4 million during the fourth quarter and decreased to 191.4 million
year-to-date.
primarily in our CNI.
CND and CRE loan segments.
Shalene Jacobson: We've mentioned several times on these calls that we strategically shrunk the balance sheet over the past year or two to really position ourselves for future growth.
Shalene Jacobson: and to limit exposure to possible losses from economic uncertainty we've had over the past couple of years. And our loan portfolio was certainly a part of that. We tightened underwriting and we also allowed some transactional loan accounts from back in 21 and 22 to move elsewhere.
Shalene Jacobson: However, during the fourth quarter, we did continue to originate new loans. We originated 103.1 million in new loans at an average rate of 7.36%. So our new loan yield remains pretty good.
Shalene Jacobson: Non-performing assets also continue to remain at very low levels. Our non-performing assets to total assets were 0.16% at year-end compared to 0.66% at the end of Q3.
Shalene Jacobson: Those percentages include both ORE and nonaccrual loans, so of course the sale of the ORE property in Austin during the quarter helped lead to the improvement there.
Shalene Jacobson: Our net charge-offs are very, very low. We essentially had no net charge-offs during the fourth quarter, and for the year, we had a net charge-off to average lens ratio of 0.02%.
Shalene Jacobson: For the ORE, we currently have one single family property remaining and we're hopeful that we can sell that with minimal or any losses before the end of the quarter.
Shalene Jacobson: I'll also mention that we manage our C&D and CRE concentrations closely, including the office-related loans.
Shalene Jacobson: We have a diverse portfolio and don't have any significant concerns in those areas.
Shalene Jacobson: CRE represents about 40.7% of our total loan portfolio, and of that 40.7%, only 5.9% is office-related, and those are mostly smaller loans that have an average balance of only $530,000.
Shalene Jacobson: Our substandard loans were $2.4 million at year-end, which is down from $12.3 million at the end of September 30, 2024.
Shalene Jacobson: The day crease is primarily the result of upgrading, the risk rating for a relationship.
that
Shalene Jacobson: was never passed to you and didn't really have any financial stress but had some loan terms that it was non-compliant with. So we worked out the non-compliance with the borrower, got the loan back in compliance with all of the loan terms, and then the $10.9 million loan was upgraded. It's no longer on substandard.
We don't anticipate any losses on that loan either.
Shalene Jacobson: We did have a reverse provision for credit losses of $250,000 during the quarter, resulting really from lower loan balances, lower problem assets, and stable overall credit trend.
Shalene Jacobson: As I mentioned previously, our total deposits grew during the quarter by $23.3 million.
Shalene Jacobson: Money market and savings balances increased $29.1 million, DDA balances increased $3.4 million, and CDs decreased $9.2 million during the quarter.
For the year, our total deposits were up $59.9 million.
Shalene Jacobson: Non-interest bearing deposits continue to represent a good percentage of our total deposits, although they're down slightly for this quarter. They ended at 31.1% for Q4.
Shalene Jacobson: And with respect to overall deposit risk, Guarantee has a very granular and historic stable core deposit base.
Shalene Jacobson: At the end of the year, we had nearly 90,200 deposit accounts that have an average account balance of $29,842. So lots of smaller, granular deposit account balances.
Shalene Jacobson: Our unsecured deposits also remain relatively low, excluding public funds and guarantee-owned accounts, our uninsured deposits were about 26.3% of total deposits at year-end.
Ty Abston: Liquidity also remains good. As Ty mentioned, we ended the quarter with a liquidity ratio of 16.5% compared to 12.2% at the end of 2023.
Ty Abston: As I also mentioned previously, we use some of those cash flows from loan payoffs and maturing securities and also from increased deposits during the year to invest in new available-for-sale securities and to pay down the advances in borrowing of about $150 million during the year.
Ty Abston: We also have total contingent liability of about $1.3 billion available through various sources, including the Federal Home Loan Bank, the Federal Reserve Bank, and some lines of credit with correspondent banks.
Ty Abston: With respect to unrealized losses, unfortunately they have gone up a little bit during the fourth quarter, but our total net unrealized losses on investment securities remains reasonable at 52.2.
Ty Abston: million, of which $20.7 million is attributable to our AFS securities and included in the equity section within accumulated other comprehensive income.
Ty Abston: Capital is also strong. We used a portion of our excess capital in the fourth quarter to pay a $0.24.
Ty Abston: per share dividend. We also paid a dividend for the year of 96 cents per share.
Ty Abston: During 2024, we also repurchased a little less than 211,000 shares, or 1.8% of the outstanding shares of the company.
Ty Abston: And that, of course, continues to add intrinsic value for our shareholders, and as Ty mentioned, we're looking to continue those repurchases into 2025.
Ty Abston: Our total equity to average assets at the end of the year was 10.2%.
Ty Abston: And that concludes my prepared remarks, so I will turn it back over to Nona for Q&A.
Thank you, Shalene.
Nona Branch: It is now time for our Q&A and our first question will be from Woody Lay with KVW.
Hey, good morning guys.
Good morning.
Nona Branch: The NIM expansion was really nice to see in the quarter.
I wanted to start off on the loan yields.
Nona Branch: they were actually up quarter over quarter. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't any sort of one-time interest benefit in the quarter. And assuming not, how do you think about that one yield going forward?
Nona Branch: So, I believe we did have a small amount of non-accrual interest that came back on, but it was less than $500,000. I think it was probably around $260,000 or $270,000, so it wouldn't have been real meaningful to them.
Nona Branch: Depending on what the Fed does, if they keep rates flat, we'll probably not move our cost of deposits a whole lot in the near future, but we have about $450 million of
Nona Branch: that are on term repricing. So we continue to think that if rates stay where they're at, our deposit costs will stay flat, maybe go down a little bit, but we'll continue to see loans repricing at higher rates than we have on books now.
Speaker Change: Got it. And then I guess looking at the overall NIM, is the expectation that it can continue to expand from the fourth quarter level?
Speaker Change: Yeah, Woody, I'll speak to that. Yes, we're modeling continued growth in our NIM throughout 25. We're not gonna give specific guidance on that, but we're modeling expanding NIM through 25.
Speaker Change: Got it. And actually modeling that in different rate environments, whether rates go up, you know, a little bit, rates go down, or rates stay flat. So we've modeled it.
Speaker Change: in different rate scenarios. They're pretty moderate scenarios, up or down, and we still see expansion there in them.
Speaker Change: That's helpful. Maybe shifting over to loan growth, you all sound a little bit more bullish about the outlook from here. Do you think we begin to see loans growing in the first quarter of 2025 or is it going to take some time and just any expectations towards the overall level of growth you're expecting in 2025?
Speaker Change: Yeah, we're I mean, we're definitely seeing and you know, more opportunities for quality loan growth in the markets and certainly post election that the overall and you know, environment's been very positive. And we're, we do anticipate some loan growth. We're just not just point
Speaker Change: sure exactly how that's going to, you know, net out for us and, you know, where that's going to fall during the year.
Speaker Change: But the main thing is we, you know, we have the capacity in our buckets and our liquidity position to grow the loan book as we see quality opportunities come our way. And we're in a position to to.
Speaker Change: and the markets we're in to see those. So we're just, I mean, we're much more optimistic on loan growth in 25 than certainly we have in the last two years. We'll just have to see what happens with rates and the overall environment, but it's definitely more positive out there.
Speaker Change: As it relates to deposits, the loan to deposit ratio is sitting at 79%. How does that impact your view on deposit growth in the year ahead? What's the potential for loan growth to pick up?
Speaker Change: As far as focusing on deposit growth as a core strategy for growth itself, that's not a focus for us in 2025, but we are always focused on building core deposit relationships.
Speaker Change: I've mentioned this before, we generally open about 10,000 new checking accounts a year, and we continue to see that as a core driver of franchise value, so that's always been a focus of ours in any environment.
Speaker Change: and will continue to be, you know, this core granular deposit relationships.
Speaker Change: But we're not in a position where we have to go out and raise marginal funds to fund the balance sheet, which again, puts us in a...
Speaker Change: strong position from the standpoint of optionality we have and how the year unfolds.
Speaker Change: Woody, we also have, just to mention the funding of that growth, about $165 million in cash flows from bond portfolio expected during 2025.
Speaker Change: All right, that's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the nice quarter. Thanks, Woody.
Hey, thanks. Good morning, everybody.
Good morning, Matt.
Done!
Speaker Change: Going back to the Lungrove commentary, I want to drill down a little bit more on the C&I.
Speaker Change: We saw a little bit of C&I growth in the fourth quarter. Any color on that specifically? New customers or just more utilization of existing customers?
Speaker Change: Matt, that's going to be primarily utilization of existing customers. There's not, you know, we haven't had a specific targeted program for C&I growth, but our customers definitely, last quarter, we saw more utilization of existing lines that we have.
Ty Abston: And within that, Ty, any theme that you can identify? Was it some seasonality, anything specifically that was driving the utilization increase?
Speaker Change: Nothing that we've been, I mean, nothing that I can really speak to specifically know. I mean, it's, we typically see that at, you know, at year-end and going into the spring and, but nothing specific that I could point to.
Speaker Change: Okay. And then back on the deposit growth, really good deposit growth, especially towards the end of the fourth quarter. Just remind me of any seasonality there or any outlook for deposit growth in the near term.
Speaker Change: We do have some seasonality in fourth quarter with some of our public fund money that comes in in our East Texas region.
Speaker Change: been kind of, you know, again, one of our primary strategies. And so we're planning for core deposit growth in 2025. And again, that's just a, that's part of how we look at building our franchise. But fourth quarter typically has some public funds in the East Texas region that will be in there.
Speaker Change: Most, some of that stays during the year, some of it moves out as we get into Q1, Q2, which typically we replace with other deposit growths.
Speaker Change: Okay, and then on the operating expenses, I think you mentioned some lower health care costs and then retirements throughout the year. Any color for us for the expense growth in 2025?
Elaine, you wanna do that one? Yeah, I mean.
Speaker Change: really very little expense growth in 2025. We're shooting for that two and a half percent target that we we've told you guys about several times before, two and a half percent of total assets. So we're really expecting expenses to be up only about one or two percent next year.
Okay.
Speaker Change: Thanks for that Shalene. I can't admit here. 2021. Yeah, understood.
Speaker Change: And then just lastly, I guess on the M&A theme, would love to hear your thoughts around consolidation in Texas. It just seems like the bank is in a really nice position to participate in that consolidation. Just curious about your conversations you've been having with potential merger partners.
Speaker Change: know about a lot of different conversations. We're certainly open to anything that's, you know, makes sense for our shareholders long term.
Like I've said, we're primarily focused on organic growth and
Speaker Change: But we're continuing to have conversations, and we're in a position with our capital position and overall balance sheet where we could be acquisitive if the right opportunity came along, and it was a good culture fit.
Speaker Change: the metrics made sense. So we're continuing to have conversations along those lines and we'll see how that kind of plays out in 25.
Speaker Change: Okay, guys, thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the year.
Thanks, man. Appreciate it.
Speaker Change: Our next questions will be from Michael Rose with Raymond James.
Michael Rose: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just back on expenses, Shalene, I certainly understand and appreciate the 2.5% is kind of the bogey for next year, but we have seen
Michael Rose: just the employee compensation line, you know, down now four quarters.
Michael Rose: in a row. Is that something you, I would expect that to be part of the increase for non-interest expenses as a whole, but can you just give a sense for, you know, kind of what that expense growth could look like and what it contemplates in terms of maybe potential lending hires and maybe just offset, do you have any other retirements that you're expecting, just trying to get a better sense for.
how we should think about the employee compensation line. Thanks.
Sure, yeah, so we do have
Shalén.
Michael Rose: Some commercial loan officers built in to our budget for 2025. We don't anticipate that expense to continue to go back down.
Michael Rose: We did make some changes to our healthcare vendors and related other benefits vendors to hopefully get some cost savings during 2025, but I don't envision that those expenses will continue to go down. We don't have any additional retirements planned.
Michael Rose: and we do expect with some growth that we'll probably add some additional lenders in 2025. Again, we're partially self-insured for the health insurance, so we start the year accruing to what the actuaries.
Michael Rose: expect our expense to be. And then if we see that it's going to be more or less, we'll adjust that towards the end of the year. So it'll, you know, the employee expenses will be back up in Q1 from where they ended in Q4.
Perfect. I appreciate that, Collar.
Michael Rose: And then maybe just on the asset quality front, I mean, you guys are down to basically nothing at this point.
Michael Rose: your last OREO property expected to be sold here. Is there any reason to think that you guys would have any sort of provision expense in the near term? And you guys are, I think, 133 of loans.
Michael Rose: to, you know, reserves to loans. Should we expect that to kind of continue to come down assuming, you know, credit holds relatively stable? I know it would be some, you know, probably some variation quarter to quarter, but it seems like the outlook there is pretty good.
Yeah, it is, Michael.
Speaker Change: ACL model is based, our CFL model is based primarily on qualitative factors because we really don't have any historical losses.
Speaker Change: and then, of course, looking at those forward 12-month, 24-month economics.
Speaker Change: We have not changed those key factors much, just being sort of conservative and waiting to see how everything plays out with the economy. But I anticipate that if the economy continues to improve, that we'll probably need to adjust those.
Speaker Change: factors down a little bit and reduce our provision even more, unless we grow. If we grow, then, you know, we'll probably reduce those key factors anyway, but then our provision will
Speaker Change: will not meet extra expense. So, you know, if anything, if there's lower growth than we expect, we may end up having some additional reverse provision. If growth is where we expect it, we may not have any provision. And if we grow more than we expect, I anticipate we'll have a little provision, but not much.
Speaker Change: Okay, perfect. And then maybe just on the buyback, I hear the message that you guys are maybe looking to lean in a little bit more aggressively. I think you have a little over a million shares left, and I think the program, well, I guess the program goes through.
Speaker Change: the early part of April in 2026. I mean, I think the earnback is around five years. I mean, how aggressive would you like to be with the buyback? Would you expect to use it all in the time frame?
Speaker Change: Michael, I don't know if we would use all of it, but we're certainly willing to and have the capacity to, so we're just going to be more aggressive.
Speaker Change: Again, we just, how we look at the bank and intrinsic value of the bank versus where we're trading, there's a pretty good disconnect and so
You know, we think we've
Speaker Change: kind of have a sense of where the credit, you know.
Speaker Change: This credit cycle is with the rising rates the last two years and you know kind of where the AOCI is going to land and that's been part of our hesitation last two years just being cautious and seeing how all that played out but
Speaker Change: And through that period, we've also, you know, created a lot of capital and we continue monthly to create excess capital. So just from a standpoint of, you know, being able to
Speaker Change: acquire a bank we know very well that are at a nice multiple. We're willing to we're willing to be much more aggressive and that's kind of our plan and if we could use that million share
Speaker Change: a buyback plan, that'd be great. But that's, we plan definitely at this point to be more aggressive in that and think that makes a lot of sense based on kind of how we see the, the, again, the intrinsic value of the company.
Speaker Change: Okay, great. Maybe just one final one for me. I certainly appreciate the drivers of the margin. I assume that, you know, kind of what you'd said last quarter, you know, to kind of expect.
Speaker Change: two basis points or so of NIM expansion for months probably is not what you're looking at going forward, but certainly understand that.
Speaker Change: the loans and the securities for pricing tailwind that you have. Can you give us a better sense of what we could expect at least here in the next quarter or two in terms of
Speaker Change: Margin expansion because this quarter was obviously very very strong. Thank well I mean we'd say with the two two base points a month as a baseline and
Speaker Change: Try not to disappoint, put it that way. I mean, there's obviously there's a lot of variables in that, but I guess the key point is we continue to model out expanding them throughout the year. So I think the two basis points a month as a baseline.
Speaker Change: You know, it's a pretty good place to be, and again, hopefully we won't disappoint them there.
Speaker Change: Perfect. Well, I appreciate you taking all my questions. Absolutely, Michael. Thank you.