Q4 2024 OceanFirst Financial Corp Earnings Call
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And now I will turn the call over to Christopher Maher, Chairman and CEO.
Alfred: Thank you Alfred.
Alfred: And thank you to all been able to join our fourth quarter 2024 earnings Conference call. This morning, I'm joined by our President, Joe Labelle, and our Chief Financial Officer, Pat Barrett.
Alfred: We appreciate your interest in our performance and this opportunity to discuss our results with you.
Alfred: This morning, we will provide brief remarks about the financial and operating performance for the quarter and some color regarding the outlook for our business. We may refer to the slides filed in connection with the earnings release throughout the call.
Alfred: After our discussion we look forward to taking your questions.
Alfred: Our financial results for the fourth quarter reflected net income of 36 per share on a fully diluted GAAP basis, and 38 per share on a core basis.
Alfred: We were pleased to see expansion of both net interest income and margin this quarter.
Alfred: Both the GAAP and core basis and saw a return to positive growth in our loan portfolio.
Alfred: Deposit growth was also solid as we were able to nearly eliminate the last of our brokered deposits that we had added over the past two years.
Alfred: Operating expenses increased as we expected reflecting growth from the acquisitions Garden State home loans and spring Garden capital during the last few months of the year.
Alfred: We also some modest increases from the continued hiring of revenue producing talent, which Joe will discuss in a moment.
Alfred: Asset quality remained very strong.
Alfred: The reserve build for the quarter was related to the day, one seasonal provision, resulting from the spring garden acquisition and macroeconomic factors.
Alfred: Loans classified as special mention and substandard decreased by 16%.
Alfred: Represent just one 5% to 6% of total loans, well below our historical average and considerably lower than the peer average.
Alfred: We saw another quarter of net recoveries, resulting in a full year net charge off rate of less than two basis points.
Alfred: Capital levels remained robust with an estimated common equity tier one capital ratio of 11, 2%.
Alfred: Tangible book value per share of $18 98.
Alfred: This week, our board approved a quarterly cash dividend of <unk> 20 per common share.
Alfred: This is the company's 112 consecutive quarterly cash dividend and represents 56% GAAP earnings at.
Alfred: This point I'll turn the call over to Joe to provide more details regarding our performance during the fourth quarter and our organic efforts heading into 2025.
Joe Labelle: Thanks, Chris the Companys loan originations for the quarter totaled $515 million and included $78 million of C&I originations.
Joe Labelle: The annualized net loan growth was 4% during the quarter driven by our owner occupied and residential portfolios.
Joe Labelle: Despite solid residential originations of 235 million for the quarter pipelines remain impacted by uneven loan demand given interest rates increases and seasonality.
Commercial loan pipelines of $197 million remained stable quarter over quarter.
Joe Labelle: It should improve as we move out of the winter months, which also reflects seasonality.
Joe Labelle: For the quarter, we added three new C&I bankers to the eight already on boarded in 2024.
Joe Labelle: This month alone we've added another three bankers as we continue to focus efforts on expanding the C&I bank.
Joe Labelle: We are also excited about the build out of our premier banking team.
Joe Labelle: We're just focused on targeting low cost deposit rich commercial customer relationships we.
Joe Labelle: We believe this is a pivotal opportunity to expand our services.
The new clients with our historical level of superior delivery.
Joe Labelle: Deposit balances, excluding brokered Cds increased by approximately 1% compared to the prior quarter.
Joe Labelle: Our year to date run off of brokered Cds is $557 million.
Which as Chris mentioned is close to our early 2023 levels of near zero.
Speaker Change: We remain confident in our ability to grow retain and reprice consumer commercial and government deposits in this environment.
And based on our commitment to attract and hire talent, we anticipate accelerating commercial deposit growth in the coming quarters.
Speaker Change: Noninterest income decreased $2 five to $12 2 million during the quarter.
Speaker Change: However, excluding noncore and nonrecurring items.
Speaker Change: Noninterest income increased modestly primarily driven by increased gain on sale of residential loans combined with modest improvements in fee income.
Speaker Change: We will likely not see significant near term improvement.
Speaker Change: Increased mortgage activity in the markets.
Pat Barrett: With that I'll turn the call over to Pat to review the remaining areas for the quarter.
Pat Barrett: Thanks, Joe Good morning to everyone as Chris noted both net interest income and margin grew in the quarter totaling $83 million and $2 six 9% respectively.
Pat Barrett: <unk> cost declined by 16 basis points decrease meaningfully exceeded the modest decline in earning asset yields.
Pat Barrett: As the impact of rate cuts and further.
Pat Barrett: Rising activity has rolled through our balance sheet this quarter.
Pat Barrett: While volume growth was modest we are pleased with the momentum and reducing overall deposit costs across all deposit types and are cautiously optimistic that we'll be able to continue this repricing into 2025.
Pat Barrett: You should still expect seasonality and volatility in consumer spending rate sensitivity and investment alternatives.
Pat Barrett: Typically if we're entering a higher for longer short term rate environment.
Pat Barrett: Asset quality remained strong with non performing loans and loans 30 to 89 days past due at three 5% and 36% respectively.
These measures reflect modest increase is due to acquired <unk> loans and normal seasonality for delinquencies.
Pat Barrett: <unk> historically low net charge offs and absent any deterioration in credit quality, we were still able to increase our allowance modestly and we continue to feel great about our credit profile and outlook.
Pat Barrett: Noninterest expense increased $1 1 million to $64 $8 million during the quarter in line with our expectations.
Pat Barrett: Excluding nonrecurring charges expenses grew by $2 7 million largely reflecting the full quarter impact of our acquisitions on compensation marketing data processing and professional fee expenses.
Pat Barrett: This run rate may increase modestly in the next quarter, reflecting the impact of annual compensation actions and vendor contract renewals.
Pat Barrett: Capital levels remain robust we.
Pat Barrett: We did not repurchase any shares during the quarter and ended the year with total repurchases of nearly one 4 million shares at a weighted average cost of $15.38.
We're not planning for a material share repurchases in the near term.
Pat Barrett: Finally, a word on taxes, our effective tax rate of 19% for the quarter was positively impacted by tax credits and other year end true up activity.
Pat Barrett: We expect our effective tax rate going forward to remain in the 23% to 25% range absent any changes in tax policy.
Pat Barrett: At this point, we'll begin the Q&A portion of the call.
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Speaker Change: Hey, Welles questions registered.
Speaker Change: We have the first question on the line.
Ken Switzer: Great. Thanks, Ken Switzer with K B W. You May proceed.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Hey, good morning, guys. Thank you for taking my question.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Morning, Tim.
Speaker Change: We appreciate the.
Speaker Change: Q1, 'twenty five outlook you guys provided very helpful.
Speaker Change: In U.
Kind of help quantify.
Speaker Change: The typical seasonal increase you guys see on the Opex side can you give some idea of where that goes and then what's the trajectory from there over the course of each year.
Speaker Change: Knowing that.
Speaker Change: You might be able to.
Speaker Change: Recruits.
Speaker Change: Additional talent along the way.
So there is a reason that we modified our guidance to just being Q1, because we know that we're making investments. This year. So we're a little bit reluctant to guide towards our full year outlook. We will keep you posted and comprised each quarter as we're making those investments typically we do see.
Speaker Change: A little bit of an uptick as most firms do around compensation and payroll taxes et cetera that have an uptick in Q1, it's pretty modest million maybe.
Speaker Change: And a half.
Speaker Change: This year, it probably wouldn't be any different than that so the only real changes in expenses are likely to be in hiring that we will be making or have already made and thats almost entirely focused on revenue producing talent.
Speaker Change: And Tim knows those hires typically this is the season when bankers evaluate their options.
Speaker Change: High quality bankers are usually.
Speaker Change: Receiving some sort of incentive payments either in depending on the bank somewhere between January and March.
Speaker Change: So.
Speaker Change: We can't be quite certain exactly what the recruiting class of 2025 is going to be but I would say this.
Speaker Change: What you see in our baseline the guidance, we've given you to date.
Speaker Change: Consistent with the staff we have today, so should we have a successful recruiting season and we certainly hope to have every indication we will.
Speaker Change: We would not just be adjusting expense guidance, we would also be adjusting guidance around deposit growth and loan growth.
Speaker Change: So we'd really like to the second impact Q1 and by the time, we're on the phone with you in April I think we will have a pretty good handle on what those numbers look like and would plan to share.
Speaker Change: Better outlook or a more precise outlook at that time.
Speaker Change: Okay, great, yes, but all makes sense and.
Speaker Change: Are there any kind of specific regions or areas.
Yes.
Speaker Change: Some additional bankers.
Speaker Change: And then you mentioned kind of multiple initiatives what are some of the other initiatives you guys have.
It's really two sets of bankers and I'll, let Joe kind of walk into more of the details, but if you think about them broadly.
Speaker Change: C&I bankers, who were broadly interested in both loan and deposit taking but tend to have loan to deposit ratios.
Speaker Change: Require funding from other parts of our business. So we've been successful hiring some of them in the last couple of years, we're accelerating the pace of hiring in that place.
Speaker Change: Then as everyone who has been doing we're focused on deposit gathering commercial bankers as well who have may have a niche areas that they focus in it.
Speaker Change: And able to provide that their loan to deposit ratio and to be quite low. So they are net producer of deposits for other parts of our business, but so let me talk about the hiring you did in 'twenty four.
Speaker Change: And kind of how youre thinking about that Tim.
Speaker Change: Tim I think we spent.
Speaker Change: The latter hasn't really 24, and as you can see already in 'twenty five.
Speaker Change: Focusing on the additions to the C&I bank, which.
Speaker Change: The recruiting doors open for us we have the opportunity to grow that.
Speaker Change: Combined exponentially.
Speaker Change: And then I think Christa athlete touched on the Premier Bank and I'd add one more comment about the.
Speaker Change: The residential banking obviously.
Speaker Change: Obviously as all of us are dependent on the.
Speaker Change: The rate environment, but we've had some success in bringing new people and we have the small acquisition, we've added which has been a substantial lead to our volume and while that may be a little choppy.
Speaker Change: Lot of those folks tend to work on commission. They are active there in the market and we are in the market as well. So we have the opportunity to recruit some more of those.
Speaker Change: We will which will only help us.
Speaker Change: As time goes on.
Speaker Change: Okay, great and if I get one more question you guys have your sub debt and preferred.
Speaker Change: Coming up here.
Speaker Change: Your thoughts at all on what you want to refinance those at all unchanged.
Speaker Change: I guess the way we're thinking about that Tim is we've got multiple options and we're kind of watching the markets and the cost of capital that would be available one of the reasons that we have been allowing our capital ratios to drift up as they have the ability to at least partially redeem those out of our existing capital base when they hit their repricing.
Speaker Change: So it's something that we.
Speaker Change: We would consider various options, but one of the options on the table is just using our current capital position to redeem some of them in May and then may be in subsequent quarters redeemed the remainder out of earnings so.
Speaker Change: We would certainly consider.
Speaker Change: Are there other ways to do that raising fresh capital, but we want to be very careful about the overall cost of capital and the utilization of what we have on the books certainly our growth rate will factor into this as well so as we kind of conclude the hiring season and understand how much capital we'd like to have on hand for growth capital.
Speaker Change: We'll think through that as well.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you guys for answering all my questions.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Your next question comes from Christopher <unk> with Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Good morning, Chris and Joe wanted to ask about the reserve build we saw this quarter is that fully reflective of kind of future loan growth. You anticipate this year is there any change in kind of loss content that you see on the horizon.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Fortunately the.
Speaker Change: Of your two primary messages on that the first is that about half a little less than half of it was related to.
Speaker Change: Day, one provision for spring garden, so that won't recur.
Speaker Change: And then the remainder of it was macroeconomic factors the models move around a little bit everything were seeing on the interior of the loan portfolio that performance has been very good so.
Speaker Change: I think if you look at where the reserve is now as we grow we probably be growing at that level.
Speaker Change: Maybe a little bit higher depending on the mix of growth. So as we do more C&I lending you might expect the incrementals.
Speaker Change: Incremental provisioning for growth.
Speaker Change: We'd probably be closer to where maybe a little bit over 1%.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you for that and then just a quick I guess overview about C&I as a percentage of the portfolio. I mean, if you look out a year or two how big of a change should we anticipate just in terms of percentage mix of the overall company.
Speaker Change: I think it can be something you're going to see very gradually so we're not we're not trying to turn to quickly. We're very mindful that it's a crowded market, meaning kind of theres a lot of people out there trying to do exactly the same thing we're doing and we're going to be very careful that our risk selection in that.
Speaker Change: But it all comes down to risk selection structure and pricing.
Speaker Change: So I think youre going to see that kind of grows slowly.
Speaker Change: But you will see as a proportion.
Speaker Change: That's going to increase and Investor CRE is on a more downward trend.
Speaker Change: And that just kind of a rebalancing we think we think we're better and more profitable and more valuable company with little more balanced.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you for hosting us and all of the background today.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Chris.
Speaker Change: We now have a question from David Bishop with Husky, Great. You May proceed.
David Bishop: Yes, good morning, gentlemen.
Speaker Change: Hey.
Speaker Change: Chris and Joe just curious on the funding side.
Speaker Change: We've seen the cost come down I'm, just curious where you see more opportunity or how much more opportunity. There is a sort of a roll down deposit costs either in the CD book or on sort of the retail and commercial deposit base. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: We're still in the process, Dave of repricing that base Tam so.
Speaker Change: It can be very hard.
Speaker Change: Figure out exactly at what point the market pushes back a little bit.
Speaker Change: The CD book is obviously, the easiest one to kind of deliberately price down and watch out how flows work so.
Speaker Change: Our posture going into Q1 is that we were going to continue to price that down slowly but methodically.
Speaker Change: And if we get to a point, where there is kind of pushback on balances.
Speaker Change: Then we will kind of pull back a little bit but at this point. We think there is still a little more room I Wouldnt say theres, a lot of room, but a little more room.
Speaker Change: And this certainly less competitive pressure than there was pretty.
Speaker Change: Pretty much at any point in the last two years so.
Speaker Change: We still see that pressured decreasing.
Speaker Change: We think is a little bit of room around rates.
Speaker Change: Got it and then maybe a question for Joe and Chris too.
Speaker Change: You mentioned the Premier banking.
Speaker Change: Division.
Speaker Change: If any of those hires relates to that group and are you seeing any sort of traction thus far.
Eric: From Eric How's hiring some of these do background.
Speaker Change: Right.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: And so it's still very early days. So we have been building out the infrastructure, so already baked into the expense rate today.
He has a few hires.
Speaker Change: Sure we've got our infrastructure teams really well, we're very mindful that as we add these new bankers and we have one opportunity to get our brand right.
Speaker Change: <unk> in markets, we may be going into let's say in the New York Metro that don't know the ocean first brands as well.
So we're being very deliberate very careful we want to launch the right way.
Speaker Change: And the hiring in that division of bankers will probably be more skewed into Q2.
Speaker Change: I think Q1, we may have one or two hires in Q1, but you haven't seen that yet.
Speaker Change: We do have the escrow team, we talked about last quarter. They are starting to put business on which is nice.
Speaker Change: Alright, Thank you hit around the head I think the vast majority of the hires will be Q2 Q3. The people we met so far we've been impressed by.
Speaker Change: Looking forward to it.
Speaker Change: Got it and what I thought.
Speaker Change: No question.
Speaker Change: But.
Speaker Change: Hello.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Hey, guys today detailing on the loan purchase.
Speaker Change: Yes, the $76 million loan purchase any any sort of details on that thanks.
Speaker Change: Sure well we have we.
Speaker Change: We know noted.
A couple of years ago that we did the walks cap investment will junior capital in and don't want to talk a little bit about the loans, we do with them and then this opportunity to add some of these.
Speaker Change: We've been pretty thoughtful we we like the relationship we have with <unk> in a variety of levels and we look at that is.
Speaker Change: Three pronged approach. So obviously, we have the ownership investment, which can move and very happy with we also do a combination of purchases with them. We've looked at a variety of purchases that we do what I've referred to as.
Speaker Change: Participation in preferred purchase on a one off transaction, where we have larger transactions, where we partner with them.
Speaker Change: And as you've seen more recently, we've done a couple of these loan pools.
Speaker Change: <unk> been really an amalgam of credits that we already knew in credits. The data originated and then we also have the white label business, where they act on our behalf as our equipment leasing.
Speaker Change: <unk>, where we also share in the ownership we hold the majority of those loans in Daytona is smaller piece. So it's really been a it's been a really good fruit.
Speaker Change: <unk> three pronged stool approach for us.
Speaker Change: Happy with.
Speaker Change: And the credit quality has been great. We have no delinquencies no delinquencies in the portfolio.
Speaker Change: Alright, thank you.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Matthew Breese with Stephens, Inc.
Speaker Change: Hey, good morning, everybody.
Speaker Change: Good morning, Matt.
Speaker Change: Understanding some hesitancy on the longer term.
Speaker Change: Guidance on a number of different areas.
Speaker Change: I guess.
Speaker Change: I guess, maybe what is the pipeline for some of these new teams look like.
Speaker Change: And if youre successful in bringing them in.
Speaker Change: What does that do.
Speaker Change: So the deposit expense loan impact on a per team or overall.
Speaker Change: Or maybe asked another way if you guys were to give yourself an a grade in terms of the hiring opportunity here, bringing them in.
Speaker Change: How would that impact some of these items expenses deposits loans, just some color would be very helpful. Here.
I'm glad you started off with you understand our hesitancy.
Speaker Change: Because until until we kind of worked through the hiring season at people on board and this is clicking we don't want to kind of get out ahead of ourselves.
Speaker Change: But I would tell you that we're talking to multiple teams. Each team has a couple of people on it.
Speaker Change: <unk> have portfolios of a variety of sizes. So it might be just a $100 million maybe $200 million.
Speaker Change: And I think you've seen very good examples in the market what other banks have done in this space.
Speaker Change: And if you kind of think about the opportunity we wouldn't be doing this if we didn't think there was an opportunity for hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker Change: New customers over time, but.
Speaker Change: But I'm very hesitant to give you a sense of when that would be in.
Speaker Change: What the cost of those would be the cost is not that can be free money, but it will be well priced deposits. So you get the opportunity to kind of blend into your deposit base.
Speaker Change: Higher quality customer deposits so.
Speaker Change: I think at the call in April we will be able to give you information that make you feel a little more comfortable that what this is bud.
Speaker Change: This is not a new strategy for US there is a new pool, we're going after but we've been hiring commercial bankers for years.
Speaker Change: <unk> built our business largely.
Speaker Change: <unk> slowed that down tremendously in 'twenty three 'twenty four because there was a lot of other things going on in the market and the environment. The liquidity issues that didn't come up and we wanted to be deliberate and not get over our skis and but we're kind of back into that mode of hiring bankers.
Speaker Change: We obviously hope it's a substantial number of anchors.
Speaker Change: And maybe just to push it a little bit further one of the things we've seen in the market a lot of these teams tend to come with what it sounds like maybe 35% to 45% non interest bearing demand deposits with.
Speaker Change: With the balance being kind of in App market money market savings does that is that a fair statement.
Speaker Change: You start to bring some of these teams.
Speaker Change: It's going to be improvement in deposits in other words, yes, that's consistent with the conversations we've had.
Speaker Change: And then maybe just bigger picture. This environment. This yield curve is for folks like yourselves increasingly favorable.
Where the margins.
Speaker Change: 269 kind of a far cry from where it's been historically.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Assume it's up into the right I was just curious when you think you can kind of get back to your 3% level is that do you think in your mind of 2025 event or 2026.
Speaker Change: Sure.
Speaker Change: Probably more likely in 2006 and 25, but there is still a fair amount of uncertainty about the shape of the curve, but your general.
Speaker Change: Matt I think is the right one that this is not a bad rate environment for us.
Speaker Change: I talked earlier about our deliberate repricing of deposit accounts.
Speaker Change: If that goes really well then maybe that's a little bit faster is that if we hit the resistance point, a little earlier than maybe it takes us a little longer but.
Speaker Change: Our back book.
Speaker Change: Pretty nice part of it rolls this year and next one of the nice things about the long into the curve being up is that those things are going to reprice at a healthy rate.
Speaker Change: And by the way our stress testing shows that theyre going to perform just fine if those new rates. So.
Speaker Change: We like to have a little more time with the long into the curve having.
Speaker Change: Being elevated like this so.
Speaker Change: A lot of variables in that.
Speaker Change: We are on the March now, we're really pleased to see that inflection point is now behind us.
Speaker Change: But I think youre going to see is just a steady slow march not something that happens in a dramatic fashion.
Speaker Change: Alright.
Speaker Change: Got it understood I appreciate taking my questions. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Matt.
Speaker Change: Thank you we have the next question from.
Frank: Frank <unk> with Piper Sandler.
Frank: Good morning.
Frank: Good morning, Frank had mentioned.
Speaker Change: I might have missed it I know you talked to Joe about new C&I bankers.
Speaker Change: Being hired over I think even the last couple of weeks did you mentioned what geography per box.
Speaker Change: Yes sure Frank.
Speaker Change: Three geographies, but as you know our footprint. So we've hired some new bankers.
Speaker Change: Using January but also in the last half of the year anywhere from the Northern Virginia market.
Speaker Change: Walter Boston, So we've hired an affiliate with hard in New Jersey, and those two outside.
Speaker Change: <unk>.
Speaker Change: And the interesting thing.
Speaker Change: As such.
Speaker Change: Something I expect it to happen, but I'll use. The example, we tend to hire from larger regional or national banks, just because they're more familiar with the way we do things.
Speaker Change: In terms of credit and everything else, but.
Speaker Change: We've been already seeing some additional activity from folks that we've hired from historically like TD.
Speaker Change: Especially early in the year, they've already paid their bonuses and people are unhappy with the direction. So we're a benefit by that I don't want to lose sight of the fact, we also hired a new York City. So.
Speaker Change: So I would say all throughout our markets.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: And then as you're thinking about these plans.
Speaker Change: Turning to deposit focused teams to come over.
Speaker Change: Any sort of are you testing a pretty wide that there's certain niches geographies that youre, maybe shying away from.
Speaker Change: Sorry, well result.
Speaker Change: An expansion of geography.
Speaker Change: Reasonably far outside your current footprint.
Speaker Change: Look as a wide net Frank but most of the conversations are happening in places.
Speaker Change: Either directly within a pretty close to our current footprint.
Speaker Change: Cluster in.
Speaker Change: In New York areas like that that are not not far flung for us.
Speaker Change: But a pretty wide appetite over the kinds of customers that they service.
Speaker Change: We do have an eye on volatility we want to make sure that we're not creating a funding source that would be more volatile than we would like so well have to be high quality want long term relationships.
Speaker Change: The conversations we've had and this goes for all the hiring we do Joe is talking about the C&I hiring we've done we love people that have usually our best people have spent more than a decade, where they are they have matured durable relationships with their clients.
Speaker Change: That creates a lot of long term value for us.
Speaker Change: Okay, and then just wondering if.
Speaker Change: How youre thinking through what a reason the ball bonder.
Speaker Change: We'll be obviously, they move things, although there's some upfront expenses.
Speaker Change: Broadly speaking.
Speaker Change: What do you think a reasonable earn back one year or is that to shorten time silver right.
I haven't dropped off.
Speaker Change: I think it would be a blend frank so some of the teams.
Speaker Change: Maybe very productive early on.
Speaker Change: We would expect that they are all productive and.
Speaker Change: And as long as Youre seeing that they are productive and on track you feel pretty good about things, but that's the way. We've historically looked at things that we see momentum you've got the right conversation do you have the right pipelines youre going to give people the time they need.
Speaker Change: To get kind of maturity are best bankers over the year over the years typically there at that kind of contributing point somewhere between year, one and year two.
Speaker Change: You have to really good it could be a year inside that and if they need a little more time, but they've got momentum not unusual for them to kind of hit stride more in the second year than the first but this is not a multiyear exercise.
Speaker Change: Somewhere in the next.
Speaker Change: Kind of.
Speaker Change: If you were to pick a number I'd say in the next 18 months.
Speaker Change: We have been making substantial.
Speaker Change: Contributions they should be contributing all along.
Speaker Change: And I would also caution that while these are easier.
Speaker Change: Hi talent and it doesn't matter what part of the business. It in good talent has a cost.
Speaker Change: But the kinds of costs, we're talking about the number of people.
Speaker Change: Would not represent a giant percentage of our total.
Speaker Change: <unk> this is still.
On the margins for the expense growth.
Speaker Change: Okay and then just.
Speaker Change: Lastly, given the focus here.
Speaker Change: And I guess, given the devaluation of the stock would you say.
Speaker Change: Organically.
Speaker Change: Or would you say I guess M&A is on the backbone of here.
Speaker Change: Less likely as you kind of.
Speaker Change: Our focus on these organic initiatives.
Speaker Change: We're highly focused on the organic initiatives.
Speaker Change: What I would say.
Speaker Change: Okay, Alright fair enough alright, thank you.
Greg: Thanks, Alright, thanks, Greg.
Speaker Change: Thank you Frank as a reminder, star followed by one to register for any question.
Speaker Change: And we have another question on the line from <unk>.
Smith: Smith with Raymond James.
Speaker Change: Thank you guys good morning.
Smith: Good morning.
Speaker Change: My questions have been asked and answered already but I guess I was just.
Speaker Change: Ask one also related to the Big picture here, you are obviously, making a big push into the C&I space.
Speaker Change: Have a strong track record in credit and growth on the CRE side.
Speaker Change: If you get back to you.
Speaker Change: Sure.
Speaker Change: And that business again is it CRE concentration that's the biggest lever there is it mix.
Speaker Change: Just curious how youre thinking about the kind of the core CRM business that you've had.
Speaker Change: Going forward.
Speaker Change: We have a few thoughts on it I mean, the first is that we were very conservative in the way we constructed the portfolio.
Speaker Change: So it's a portfolio that does not have an exposure to things like rent stabilized multifamily.
Speaker Change: It doesn't have a material exposure in urban office or central business District office.
Speaker Change: <unk> really well spread among five states, it's been rolling really well so as customers.
Speaker Change: Rolled to the new rates, we have not seen signs of distress or stress testing is good and the credit metrics are good so we.
Speaker Change: We like the book, but we recognize that I think were more valuable company. If we're more diversified so.
Speaker Change: Thats why youre seeing there.
Speaker Change: Mr. CRV number is slowly going down.
Speaker Change: C&I number will be coming up but this is not something we're trying to accomplish in the next three quarters.
Speaker Change: And Theres, a fair amount of repricing CRE that gives us the opportunity to originate CRE loans every day.
Speaker Change: So we're not out of the markets, we never left the markets.
Speaker Change: It is important to us that we're there for our clients.
Speaker Change: Obviously, our appetite a little different we're a little more conservative and we want to get paid for what we do.
Speaker Change: Some of the things we've seen in the CRE space or the.
Speaker Change: The best structured and best price credits that you can do so.
Speaker Change: So we're still doing those loans, but directionally youll see.
Speaker Change: More of a blend of the business lines, so that makes sense.
Speaker Change: That's good color. Thanks, Chris that's all I had.
Chris: Alright, Thanks, Dan.
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